Debian and Arch still kings

I see people on the internet saying "Debian has ancient packages". Do you really need the bleeding edge version of KDE Plasma? No you don't. The latest Debian does have KDE Plasma 6 which should be fine.

Surely a stable and working system is more important than being on the bleeding edge. If you want the latest version of some particular software you can get third-party deb repos, flatpaks, snaps, AppImages, Homebrew packages, and Nix packages.

>>109044817
Debian users that do want latest stuff usually just use Flatpak or even Homebrew, while being on the rock solid Debian base.

>>109044834
Yeah exactly, that's what I mean. Debian means you've got stable system packages which just work, and they get security updates. Then if you want the latest version of GIMP for example, you just get the flatpak.

>>109044817
are we supposed to use gnome or KDE by default with Debian? I hate gnome like the plague

i have artix

>>109044918
If you have the choice you should always just use KDE.

>>109044918
No you can select LXDE during installation of Debian 13 if you really wanted to.

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>Starting with the 22.04 LTS release, Ubuntu MATE included AI-generated wallpapers. These were warmly received by popular tech blogs, with OMG! Ubuntu exclaiming "I'm blown away by the quality of this AI-produced artwork" for the 22.04 release, and IT's FOSS News proclaiming the "beautiful" wallpapers were "a big highlight" of the 22.10 release".

Are distros still shipping AI slop wallpapers?

>>109045058
Wonder why they'd even talk about this like it's something anyone actually wants? If someone wants a gen-AI wallpaper they'll just make their own.

>>109045058
this makes no sense to have that though. why? literally just use actual nature/animal pictures then. ai wallpaper only makes sense to me if its something super weird or abstract on purpose. i don't want a fake soulless creature that doesn't exist starting at me, its the computing equivalent to eating lab grown "meat"

>>109044817
Let me give you a quick rundown as someone that attempted to make a Debian 13 setup and decided to just go with something more up to date
>Sway/Wlroots version in Debian is too out of date, massive latency improvements in particular on a new version
This was the worst, and nothing done below fixed it. I resorted to taking someone's jank advice and simply logging out of Sway and into i3 whenever I wanted to play games.
>Neovim requires compiling from source to get the new native package manager in .12 which is a killer feature for me
>significantly better performance in games on a new kernel and drivers even compared to Debian backports
This might have improved at this point as backport kernel versions go up but was a huge pain at the time
>some things I wanted like gamescope did not make the cut into Trixie due to the nature of how Debian freezes versions, which meant another thing to figure out myself
>yt-dlp requires updating to fight google bullshit and using something like pipx to install it in a container to work properly
>default power-profiles-daemon does not like my hardware at all requiring me to setup my own solution and actually interact with systemd under the hood for once (barfs), caused huge performance issues in games
Then who knows what new delights Forky will bring when I have to move to that, or what else I might have to find a solution for if I look for it and the version in stable has an issue

Now here is how I solved every one of these issues on Fedora
>dnf install [thing]

>>109044918
I've been on debian+xfce for over 2 decades

>>109045067
I miss the days where you'd have real designers making them. Now it's mostly photos or AI patterns.

>>109045084
Plenty of free high quality wallpapers on unsplash and wikimedia commons to consider. Any one submitting artwork should not be using AI to generate the whole thing.

>>109045058
lot of literal who distros out there use them now, I'm confused why something ubuntu-related would use AI though, they usually have nicely-designed wallpapers on all editions.

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>>109044918
Debian has live images with various desktop environments, pic related

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid

>>109045102
>Sway/Wlroots version in Debian is too out of date, massive latency improvements in particular on a new version
I see. I use LXQt and the version in Debian's repos is fine for me.
>Neovim requires compiling from source to get the new native package manager in .12 which is a killer feature for me
You could get neovim from Homebrew or Nix.
>significantly better performance in games on a new kernel and drivers even compared to Debian backports
Fair. I don't play many games but I guess if you want to play AAA games then a newer kernel might help.
>yt-dlp requires updating to fight google bullshit and using something like pipx to install it in a container to work properly
You can get the latest version from Homebrew.
>default power-profiles-daemon does not like my hardware at all requiring me to setup my own solution and actually interact with systemd under the hood for once (barfs), caused huge performance issues in games
Fair. I haven't had such problems.
>Now here is how I solved every one of these issues on Fedora
Fair enough. I personally don't have a need for the latest kernel but I guess if you're playing AAA games then yes they might work better with a newer kernel and other new system packages.

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>switch debian to unstable
>suddenly have updated packages
wow

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I wish there were some virus scanning software for Linux because realistically you still have to use Wine for some things. I'm trying to find a crack for Vegas 22 and DON'T want it to be some ransomware that'll encrypt my home folder. The absolute gayest part about it all is that I HAVE A FUCKING VEGAS 22 KEY FROM HUMBLE BUNDLE BUT THE ACTIVATION WINDOW CRASHES ON WINE.

>>109045337
isnt it a security concern compared to debian testing?

>>109045058
HAH, tell me it wasnt this fucked up looking quokka that it shipped with?

>>109045419
ClamAV? Also apparently Kapersky is now available to Linux, if you trust the Russians.

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holy lmao, what were they thinking

>>109045522
Deviant art/10

>>109045522
ublue is run by trannies, more news at 11.

>>109045522
Digital equivalent of "Wow, good job champ. This is going right on the fridge!"

>>109045465
What's an actual virus I could test ClamAV on to see that it works lol

>>109045599
Check the AUR

>>109044817
Most developers will refuse to even consider your bug reports if you're not running the latest versions of everything. Then again, they won't fix them even if you are.

>>109045613
kek

When will AyyMD finally get around HDMI 2.1 kikery?
I've been hearing "soon" for almost a year.

>>109045337
Only some of them. Nvidia is a mess on Debian because they still have ancient driver version 550 even on unstable. Granted, Nvidia is a mess in any case but a lot less so these days.

What's up with the weird muddy/sluggish mouse feeling on Wayland? I've tried everything, but I just can't seem to get it fixed. It feels great when using X11 and Win11. Arch + KDE + NVIDIA setup for reference.

>>109045058
>These were warmly received by popular tech blogs, with OMG! Ubuntu exclaiming "I'm blown away by the quality of this AI-produced artwork" for the 22.04 release, and IT's FOSS News proclaiming the "beautiful" wallpapers were "a big highlight" of the 22.10 release".
These comments sound like they were made by an Indian.
>Sourav Rudra
You can always tell by how much they love dropping the word beautiful. Once you see it you can't unsee it. You can go to some random github project and the readme will have emoji and talk about the "beautiful interface" and you don't have to double check, it's gonna be jeet made.

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>>109044797
>no systemd
>no GNOME
>XLibre
>no glibc
>GNU Boot
>no proprietary blobs
>no cuck-slave-BSD tier license
>C
>no Rust/C++/Java/C#
>anti-woke and non-political
>anti-Code-of-Conduct
>all services all FOSS, local and work offline

Does distro like this exist? Devuan, Void, OpenBSD, Alpine etc. are all ruined.

>>109045739
I think it's just an extra frame of input lag Wayland has or something. I just got used to it so I don't notice it anymore but I'm not gonna pretend like it's not a downside. For games you can turn on "allow tearing in full screen apps" and turn off vsync (and turn on variable refresh rate if you have it) and you will not have delay but I dunno if you can do much on desktop other than maybe increase the refresh rate of the monitor if possible so the frame delay is shoter.

>>109045811
What you want basically doesn't exist out of the box. You could get something maybe slightly similar if you use the musl version of Void Linux and change what you want or just build Gentoo with USE flags with what you want, though without C++/Rust you can't even use normal web browsers.

>>109045811
Linux from scratch and a lot of free time is what you are looking for.

>>109045811
OpenBSD or Gentoo
>no C++
that won't be possible, but Gentoo does have a wd40 profile to avoid Rust entirely

>>109045824
Thanks anon. I'll try that next time when gaming. As far as regular desktop usage goes, I guess I'll just have to get used to it as well. Sucks, but it is what it is.

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>>109045837
Void is official supporter of BLM ( https://xcancel.com/VoidLinux/status/1267525360679354374 ). Gentoo is officially chosen as "trans distro", LGBT took over control of download system and Google's pro-LGBT developer close the offtopic forum ( https://www.reddit.com/r/transprogrammer/comments/v0bt2d/which_is_the_official_trans_linux_distro/ https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/?x=t&q=xarchiveshash:168cd50c16a1fa9f7f67999466c9ff86 https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/07/20/more-downloads.html ).

>official Gentoo repository has pride flags
>"gay" in GURU overlay (with LGBTQ+ flags)
>maintainer uses "cat@aulucya.gay" email
>#gentoo-glbt IRC channel
>Freenode IRC channel has "Gentoo queer, trans & other minorities"
>Gentoo Wiki states the main developer is a non-binary trans woman
>developers are active on queer-specific Mastodon domains

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>>109045811
>Alpine: "let me be more direct: if anyone merges xlibre i will be pursuing a code of conduct violation against them ... because the xlibre project represents an unacceptable ideology ... this is about politics, not just software."
>Alpine Linux has an official Code of Conduct pledging a "harassment-free experience for everyone"
>a draft of the CoC by lead developer Ariadne Conill explicitly states: "Diversity and inclusion make the Alpine community strong"
>lead developer Ariadne Conill (kaniini) is openly transgender and has blogged about her experiences transitioning
>conill has posted on Mastodon "transgender for everyone, but unironically"
>conill is publicly associated with "Edera, a queer and female-founded startup"
>conill is known for strictly enforcing the Alpine Code of Conduct, which has drawn controversy in the Linux community
>Alpine officially described as "with LGBTQ+ pride flags!"
>maintained by a developer using the email "gay@disroot.org"
>a commit was authored by a user named "Gay Pride"
>Alpine build logs display the upstream configure message: "made with pride by trans"
>#alpine-linux stated they are "LGBT and feel oppressed"
>#alpine-linux discussed "diversity, get different perspectives toward the same goal"
>#alpine-devel argued "Diversity is not about terrorism"
>#alpine-linux mentioned wearing a "Black Lives Matter tank top"
>alpine-users posted about ways that "they believe turns their children transgender"
>an Alpine contributor posted "Happy (almost) pride month :)" alongside an Alpine developer documentation
>"Happy Pride month! transgender-flag-emoji" in tagged official Alpine Linux account ("@alpinelinux@fosstodon.org")

>>109045811
>no Rust/C++/Java/C#
C++ and Rust are both practically as fast as C, right? Whereas Java and C# will be a little slower.

>>109046095
>>109046113
Then anon you literally just need to make this distro of your anti-woke dreams yourself.

>>109045337
Could have just added backports

>>109044797
i'm so stumped. got my mum's new laptop here, got mint on it, and it seems to be able to find the wifi adapter, but it can't pick up any networks. aspire go 15

>>109046095
>official trans distro
>links to reddit poll where arch got 186 votes, gentoo 24

>https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/?x=t&q=xarchiveshash:168cd50c16a1fa9f7f67999466c9ff86
>dead link

>https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/07/20/more-downloads.html
>unrelated post about new stage tarball downloads

>>109046357
actually it appears that this card (14c3:7902) just doesn't have much support right now. 2032 it is then

>>109046423
99% of the other things don't disappear just because it made you mad. Gentoo is official LGBT BLM trans distro. Cry more. Also learn to use archives so you don't have to claim links "dead" or "false" just because you are a retard.

>>109044797
Is there a way to troubleshoot why my PC is lagging sometimes? Like 2s-3s freezes/lags
KDE+Arch

>>109046357
>>109046501
Maybe search the internet to see if your particular WiFi adapter has Linux support. A newer kernel might have good support. You could live boot something like Fedora (which should have a pretty recent kernel) and test the WiFi. Then if it works, you could install Fedora. Alternatively the latest Ubuntu (26.04) should have a relatively recent kernel.

>>109046212
but then you defeat the purpose of debian.

>>109046567
I disagree, some times you want primarily stability, but what the occasional up-to-date software.

>>109046522
the fact that you said "GURU overlay" tells me all I need to know. you're arguing in such bad faith that you unable even to pull up the GURU page on the gentoo wiki and read the sidebar of maintainer names
if you're ragebaiting that's fine, if you're not then you're delusional

I feel like this is a dumb question but how do I change the cursor size in gnome in apps and stuff? I can change it just fine for browsing stuff or on the desktop but once I open something up like a steam game it goes back to the really small default cursor size. On a different note, is the default speed slow or does it just feel like it because of the smaller cursor size? It was the only thing that really felt off after going from windows to arch, more specifically gnome since I didn't feel that way using hyperland before I switched.

Newbie here, is my understanding correct that any applications I install via the system package manager and also lots of Flatpak apps by default have access to the entire home directory. So that includes other applications' config folders etc, so anything I install could in theory steal my browser session cookies, correct? Is it best practice to install apps as Flatpaks and revoke home access whenever possible? I got my cookies stolen once on Windows because I was a retard and I want to avoid going through that humiliating experience again. And I know, "just don't install any software you don't trust" but I'd rather have the peace of mind that anything I install can't simply steal my shit unless I give it explicit access.

I think I mindlessly followed a few software tutorials and would up with multiple AUR helpers. Do those conflict with each other and do I have cause to worry? If I used Helper A to download software X and try to update it with Helper B, for example
I know with android I get funny warnings using Fdroid to update APKs I manually installed.

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>>109045454
Sadly yes. They've been using AI wallpapers for a few years.

In the middle of installing Gentoo right now. Having to manually write your own fstab file is burdensome.

>>109047689
Oh, and I have no reason to install Gentoo other than to say that I installed Gentoo.

>install Lunatix about a year ago
>suffer from unexplained hard freezes every couple of weeks
>dmesg complains that my gpu has fallen off the bus...
>then my backup hdd fails to start (controller failure idk)
>after removing the disk no more hard freezes
Can this be true? I was truly puzzled about the gpu messages and thought it has to be related to pci-e powersaving and/or nvidia driver issues.
I'm still not entirely sure what happened with the hdd either but I think it's probably a disk controller issue. It had about 30k power on hours. Actually, I have never had a hdd to fail on me during my entire life (old).

>>109047689
>>109047693
It's not that bad, you should do LFS next.

>>109047705
Besides sometimes feeling overwhelmed with the amount of information you have to parse through in the handbook, yeah, it isn't too bad. But I've watched tutorials on installing Arch without the installer, so I'm a little more prepared than the average person.

>>109045777
I find 99% of Linux blogs, guides and reviews are now made by pajeets. Same for YouTube videos on Linux. So many of them on Ubuntu.

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>>109044797
I just noticed running programs differs when selected from either Krunner of through the application launcher on KDE. E.g. Timeshift will not open at all when selected from Krunner, but will run fine when chosen from the app launcher. Another example would be Ungoogled Chromium, it does run with either of those, but if run through the app launcher, it will use the GTK file picker rather than the QT one, regardless if the env variable is set up, but will correctly use the latter when run through Krunner. Is this a KDE bug or just my system being retarded?

>>109044797
debian, my beloved

>>109045439
It's the other way around. Testing gets no security updates. Unstable gets all the latest fixes from upstream.

>>109047278
If your browser is a flatpak then no. Flatpaks can't access other flatpak dirs unless you add the exception

>>109048656
Oh nice, my browser is indeed a flatpak. How about other non-flatpak applications, can they theoretically access the flatpak dirs?

>Want to install xfce-base/xfce4-meta
>emerge --ask xfce-base/xfce4-meta
>102 packages to COMPILE FROM SOURCE
I got tricked

>>109044817
>you don't need this!
Fuck off with this deranged mentality. If I don't need the newest version of something I just won't update. Having the option to use the currently supported version of any software is objectively better than being forced into using an ancient, unsupported version.
>flatpaks, snaps, AppImages, Homebrew packages, and Nix packages.
The fact these package formats have to exist proves that Debian/LTS release model (as well as the whole "each distro has it's own/custom versions of software") doesn't work for most end users.

>>109047278
>anything I install could in theory steal my browser session cookies, correct?
Yes.
>Is it best practice to install apps as Flatpaks and revoke home access whenever possible?
Yes, but most flatpaks don't have access to your home by default. They usually only have access to your documents, downloads and images/videos folders. And even if they have access to your home, I'm pretty sure they won't have access to the data of other flatpaks unless they're given access to "all system files" or a specific path.
>I'd rather have the peace of mind that anything I install can't simply steal my shit unless I give it explicit access.
Then just keep using Flatpak.

>>109048745
Any non-flatpak application can access the same files you can access when navigating in your file manager or in terminal. They can create, read, modify and delete all files in your home directory.

>>109048780
At least you didn't try to compile kde-apps-meta, xfce is lightweight in comparison.
Measure the time of compilation for your web browser.

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>>109039971
Thread got archived before I could reply. Yeah I had tried that before (that's what I meant by changing the background colors) but done it through system settings instead of changing the theme file itself. It still didn't work, in fact, no matter what colors I put in, entire system changes *except* for dolphin, even after restarting it. So I probably messed some config somewhere. I'll double check my Dolphin settings and try to figure it out, but hey thanks a lot for the help, very much appreciate it.

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>>109048934
And right after posting that, found it. It was a dolphin specific setting after all. Thanks again anon, tinkering there ended up leading me to the right path.

>>109044817
Most software I use and in general is mature and running the latest version is completely unnecessary. For the odd rapidly developing package like LM Studio I just use the flatpak. Having the latest version of LibreOffice isn't something I care about
>>109044918
You should use KDE anyway because it's the best DE, but no you can choose whatever DE you want during install or no DE at all of you want.

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>>109044797
I know this is a shot in the dark but does anyone knows what program is this? original post: https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108812198/#q108817211

I think it might be lsix, but lsix doesn't have that open picture in image viewer functionality, unless this is a fork or modified version. This one also seems to run way faster.

>>109049277
Are you sure it's not sxiv? Because it even says so in that .webm.

>>109049340
>>109049277
Thumbnail utility is a separate command which opens up the actual image viewer.
I'm in the process of finding out more. Will report back if I find something.

>>109049340
>>109049277
So... the utility is 'lsix'.
https://github.com/hackerb9/lsix

>>109045811
>>no systemd
>>no GNOME
>>XLibre
This is relatively easy to achieve, (e.g. Devuan + XFCE + Xlibre)
>>GNU Boot
>>no proprietary blobs
This depends on your hardware and might be downright impossible
>>no cuck-slave-BSD tier license
Sure, just don't use a *BSD
>>C
>>no Rust/C++/Java/C#
You can't run away from certain languages, rust is already in the linux kernel, and many userspace programs are written in a language like C++, you just have to deal with it or severely limit your software selection.
>>anti-woke and non-political
>>anti-Code-of-Conduct
I don't really care about that shit, if you do then it will limit your choices severely, I think only slackware fits this.
>>all services all FOSS, local and work offline
If by "services" you mean daemons then this is already the standard, except for things like the wifi daemon or a dns server running in the background

Fedora is leading the way, being the first adopter of Wayland, systemd, and GNOME 3, and an early adopter of and contributed to flatpak. Debian has since followed suit. With .deb and .rpm being the main packaging formats for everything from printer drivers to Discord, has Red Hat won the Unix wars, with Arch and Debian following its lead, regardless of what philosophy, lineage, or tradition fedora adheres to? And aren't RPMs the official format of the LSB (an obscure bit of lore by now, and a decision made to the chagrin of many), implying total Red Hat victory? Even the #1 supercomputer multiple years in a row, El Capitan, runs TOSS, based on RHEL! It's as if corporate Unix, represented by SysV, lost to BSD, MINIX, GNU, and Linux, only for BSD, Linux, MINIX, and GNU to become corporate-led and -funded...

>>109049764
>Fedora is leading the way
might be so but at the expense of using its users are free beta testers.

>>109049844
Stop updating Fedora and you have free future Almalinux at home.

If limine isn't compatible with ext4 systems and when I did my arch install I used ext4, should I reinstall things? It's running fine but I'd rather not have something go wrong because of me not paying enough attention to the wiki when I did my install for the 5th time.

>>109049764
it’s almost like spending money on software developers who contribute back to the open source community would shape the open source community more to their needs
I don’t think anyone is going to try and argue with your simple statement of fact.

>>109049871
this is exactly what i mean by following instead of leading. Alma by definition is just downstream of CentOS, which in turn is downsteam of fedora. you're not drinking from the clear waters of the source. your sucking off the milky White teat of Lennart Poettering, drinking in the systemd dependencies and Microsoft/IBM ownership. you are the dog being walked by the blue chips, their investors, their boardrooms. sit down

>>109050086
Anon you've already missed the "arch is bad now" train your post is late.

>>109050086
>2026
>arch
archinstall should've been the dead giveaway for normgroid menace

>>109050086
pkgbuilds are pretty easy to read you should try reading them

>>109049894
>This does not mean that Limine cannot boot an OS which uses any other file system for its root; it just means that the kernel, initramfs, and any other files needed at boot will have to reside on a FAT partition (such as the ESP on UEFI systems).

>>109050086
only an idiot would describe Arch as secure. you're listening to the wrong people.
(1) a secure operating system isn't secure if you run untrusted software on it. installing obscure AUR packages was never officially blessed
(2) Arch is made to be up-to-date. not made to be secure. you want security? run OpenBSD. run Tails OS, run Whonix, run CheriBSD. run Qubes. if you want a normal OS that is secure, but not security focused, then use Debian, fedora, or FreeBSD. but, for the love of God, don't install some random bullshit from Debian unstable/experimental, or a bunch of non-free shit, or a bunch of npm shit, and some random .deb files you found online, and then complain you got hacked. if you read the fucking wiki, you would've seen that
>Verify that the PKGBUILD and accompanying files are not malicious or untrustworthy.
is step TWO. fuck. and, yes, Arch is more secure than Windows. but it NEVER had the reputation that fedora, FreeBSD, and Debian have for security (all of which are fairly mainstream, user-friendly distros, especially fedora)

why does kdenlive crash all the fucking time

davinci resolve is much more stable but you have to pay to get any sort of modern codec

>>109048745
The problem is that flatpaks break chromium, likely firefox, sandboxing so it's not recommended to install browsers.

Also apparmor and selinux confine apps, you can modify those instead.

posting support requests without video drivers should be a bannable offense

>>109050149
Depending on the user to not be an idiot is actually a pretty good security policy as long as you gatekeep idiots. Which Arch has utterly failed to do.

>>109050075
actual derangement post
next you'll say poettering raped your girlfriend in front of you

>>109047139
Aounds like its because of gnome scaling xwsyland, I just play games in wine-wayland.
You can tweak some extra gnome settings with this
https://flathub.org/en/apps/page.tesk.Refine

>>109046544
Sounds like a hard drive issue, try smartctl.

>>109044817
Latest releases have bug fixes and security fixes. Debian had gnome leak memory and refused to update for 2 years in the past. So you are not winning stability, everything is just worse and nobody is back-porting fixes because it's not critical.
Also debian kde maintainer was chased out by trannies, so good luck with that.

>>109050289
you have a bunch of idiot youtubers recommending arch to everyone, then you see them blindly installing stuff from the AUR on their videos/streams LMAO

>>109049593
>>109049618
I know about lsix, but it doesn't have the functionality to open pictures by clicking on them or to delete the files as well, which is why I made that post. The command syntax also looks a bit different, "li" could simply be an alias for lsix, but lsix doesn't have command line flags/options so the "p" is something new. If anyone finds more info about it pls let me know.
>inb4 it's a personal project by the anon that originally posted that webm

A lot of stuff seems to have arch in mind in guides or only pkgbuilds available things like that, so is it difficult on other distros to run software outside of repos like you sometimes have/want to?

>>109050532
Flatpak, Appimage and Homebrew/Nix exist.

>>109050532
>>109050539
distrobox also

>>109050147
In that case I'm gonna assume that I probably should reinstall later just to be safe, since i don't think anything on my partition is fat based, but I also am an idiot so I could be wrong, considering it's part of the arch installer something in it is probably compatible with limine.

>>109045337
Honestly I think Unstable is preferable over stable to most home-users. I don't know how many times I had to get used to some small bug in a package on stable that was potentially fixed a year ago in testing or unstable.

>>109045102
>massive latency improvements in particular on a new version
which version was that? might actually give it a look since that shit used to piss me off back when I tried it

>>109050586
No, it means you are fine and you don't have to reinstall.

>>109047649
god i fucking hate this shit.

>>109050586
You can check it with this. But I don't think you would be able to boot if you messed up.

>>109050086
I've been using Ubuntu/Debian/Mint for two decades and never, ever, ever had a virus or hack on my system.

So what other distros are bleeding edge and lightweight? I know KDE neon is bleeding edge for plasma, but what about the other packages?

debian unstable maybe?

>>109050873
You can still use Arch anon. Just don't use the AUR like you seem so obviously scared of it.

>>109050873
install gentoo

Can you actually roll your own image based on universal blue and use it normally?

>>109050904
> Can you actually roll your own image based on X
yes, I mean, if you want an immutable system you could just run an overlay fs on whatever the f you want

>>109050873
Debian unstable would be a good option if you like constant updates like Arch.

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/g/entlemen, good ol' Fedora or their atomic versions? I've heard that it's fine to layer packages since they're apparently even cleaner than dnf install? My new PC's arriving soon so I'm looking for a permanent /home. Don't want to use Arch since their official repos are too small without AUR, settled on Fedora and I just can't make up my mind here since a lot of what I normally installed are official and verified on flathub already, but Steam, fastfetch, zsh and tmux and some others aren't.

>>109050944
You'd be fine on Fedora.

>>109050944
your trail of questions and uses leads me to believe you should just install something and try it out and quit thinking about the planning part. just do it. you’re probably all giddy about getting new hardware. good for you

>>109049844
>this distro is pretty good... but if you use it, /g/ will call you a bootlicker, a glowie and say that you're working for free

>>109050937
i think its what im going to go for. The one thing im not liking so far is that searching online to see where packages are at is not as intuitive as arch. they just put all packages on one page lmao

https://packages.debian.org/sid/allpackages

>you're supposed to thouroughly vet every package you install from the AUR
wtf is this true? I have 29 packages from the AUR installed and I didn't look at the instructions for any of them, I just glanced at the votes and if it was above 1 I agreed. Aside from a few packages like librewolf I also have no idea what they are or where they came from. Thankfully none of them appear on the infected list.
I use manjaro and I had already fucked up my pgp keys somehow(I can't actually update packages from the AUR because of this) with none of the solutions i've found online working, so I was planning to do a reinstall anyway.
Am I too retarded for arch based distros? should I just install ubuntu or fedora instead of reinstalling manjaro?

>>109050981
>instructions
what instructions are you supposed to read? like, maybe the wiki on using the aur? yeah it probably tells you to how to read the PKGBUILD files. you should read those. they’re maybe 20 or so lines. you can read 20 lines, can’t you?

>>109050944
I'd vote for regular Fedora, once setup it's pretty set and forget.
However, I like atomic Fedora, especially Universal Blue's. But in my experience they're not ready for mass adoption yet although very close.

>>109045811
idk, artix? I'm retarded so i have no idea

>>109049277
what manager is that?

>>109050944
Good old fedora. Atomic add nothing, it just removes your ability to tinker and add bloat on top. Add terra repository on top, that what ublue also adds.

so with debian testing and sid, it says they dont get security updates, what does this mean in practice in terms of attack vectors?

>>109050873
solus isn't as bleeding edge as arch distros, but it runs on a weekly update schedule and usually packages latest packages.

>>109051165
whats the repo like for solus? i dont use particularly rare software but i like not having to build packages myself

>>109044834
The real meta is to install the nix package manager for when you want a /g/ ricer program that isn't in the Debian stable repos or when you need a newer than 5 years old version of a program.
Just run this one command:
curl --proto '=https' --tlsv1.2 -L https://nixos.org/nix/install | sh -s -- --daemon
and then you can do things like:
nix-env -iA nixpkgs.librewolf or nix-env -iA nixpkgs.prismlauncher
Debian stability + any software you want. It's a very comfy setup desu.

>>109051180
i'd say it's pretty good for most use cases. while it's not as vast as aur, or even debian repos, it gets the job done well.

also has flatpak support.

i've just started using linux on my home pc for the past few days
i installed cachy, because it sounded performant and up to date, then the aur happening

so i thought about trying out something debian based
i've used ubuntu and fedora at work/school, but they've always felt oddly laggy/stuttery,
and i always chalked it up to bad hardware, being VMs, mini pcs, school computers bloated with every possible software, etc.

but i just tried out kubuntu, installed the open kernel nvidia drivers,
and.. it still felt painfully laggy
scrolling was laggy
menus react slowly to my mouse hovering
tabs opened with like 10fps
videos played stuttery

admittedly, i used the discover app to install, so it was the snap version of brave,
but is this just something innate to ubuntu? it's so much noticeably worse than windows and cachy
would i experience the same thing if i tried debian?

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>>109050944
i personally don't like having to update flatpaks separately from everything else. and the downloads are slower and heavier since everything is included. the isolation can also be counterintuitive and make apps harder to hack, which is important for learning
>>109050981
>if it was above 1 I agreed
holy fuck how hard is it to vote for your own malware? baka
>>109050969
yes. what's the problem? i genuinely acknowledge it's an objectively good product, and an OS with a great reputation for being both up-to-date and secure. fedora is amazing. and it's also fucked that the most amazing distro is IBM-owned and goes against the Unix philosophy, e.g., making flatpak dependent on systemd. it's harder to exercise control and mix and match. and yet, y'all follow in its footsteps while Guix, the BSDs, Alpine, and 9front are left to languish in relative obscurity. now the Unix wars are over and there is only one way of doing things: the IBM/Red Hat/Microsoft way. and the major independent distros, Debian and Arch? they follow fedora's lead. fedora adopted Wayland first. fedora adopted GNOME 3 first. fedora adopted systemd first. fedora adopted flatpak first. fedora adopted PipeWire first. there are zero innovations Arch and Debian are making that others are following. the "free software community" is just downstream of corporate Linux. they might as well rebrand Arch and Debian as Red Hat reskins like Alma. there is no alternative. there is no dissent. the FSF is a joke and its approved distros are found neither on laptops nor on servers. the last vesitiges of free software are slowly dying on a neckbeard's system in his parents dank basement as firefox integrates AI, adds yet another widget to its menu bar, integrates pocket, and generally enshittifies endlessly. plus, every time i download an image in firefox, it actually redownloads it, wasting bandwidth and time and potentially failing due to the download request being different from the display request.

>>109044817
Plasma is like the one exception to this rule, it gets too many monthly bugfixes to be worth waiting for them. XFCE or a Window Manager, however, is nice and clean most of the time.

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>>109051189
>lets encourage users to pipe URLs into sh
just kill me already

>>109045522
Would take this over AI slop desu.

>>109051231
for sure me too, i actually do like it because its cute, but i guarantee its turning away potential users

>>109051218
wasn't much of unix corporate too though? also what do you mean by firefox redownloading

>>109051218
literally just don't use those things then, who cares

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Is using separate Firefox profiles actually worth? I feel like Firefox containers do enough for my use cases (separating different alphabet services like Whatsaaaarpp, Amazon and Google) and for actual stupid time wasters like posting here, reading random blogs or searching shit to pipe into MPV, i am using another browser like Malepoon or Surf. Even Chromium to open broken bank websites. What useful feautures do profiles have over containers? I very rarely need more browser extensions than Ublock Origin, SingleFileZ and Violentmonkey
>>109050086
AUR isn't officially associated with Arch.

>>109051285
>AUR isn't officially associated with Arch.
https://aur.archlinux.org/

>>109051289
>https://aur.archlinux.org/
Straight from their Learn More section:
>These PKGBUILDs are completely unofficial and have not been thoroughly vetted. Any use of the provided files is at your own risk

>>109051224
it was more of a demonstration of ease of setup than an encouragement to be stupid. Obviously you shouldn't run any scripts from 4chan without inspecting them first.
The link was taken directly from the top of the NixOS download page. https://nixos.org/download/
What happened to the /g/tards who drooled over alternate init systems, Disabling the Intel Management Engine/Installing Libreboot, and patching Gentoo installs to run LibreSSL?
Is it really reduced to a bunch of Instagram Reel brainlets who suggest potteringware like flatpak, snap and appimages?

>>109051316
NTA but I posted this the other day and nobody replied >>109027993

>>109050149
>you want security? run OpenBSD. run Tails OS, run Whonix, run CheriBSD. run Qubes. if you want a normal OS that is secure, but not security focused, then use Debian, fedora, or FreeBSD.

I know a guy who is obsessed with the idea of having numerous adversaries and whatnot, some high level, yet just uses ubuntu i guess with like custom firewalls or whatever that he claims keep getting 0 day'd

Any opensuse tumbleweed users here? thoughts?

>>109051334
>>109050149
ive actually read that tailsos isnt that secure. also brave has tor built in

>>109051337
I used it in like 2023 and thought it was poorly documented garbage

>>109051351
good info, thanks

>>109051337
talked about it with lunduke who was shilling for it at a linux show years ago
don't really care for germans so tried it once or twice but didn't stick with it

>>109051330
I gotchu homie. I replied to it.

>>109051489
Thanks nonny

>>109050979
debian's website is a pain to navigate but you can search packages per codename

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux

>>109051337
i've used it in the past. it's good
but you'll need to install
https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installing_codecs_from_Packman_repositories
for web video like YouTube or PornHub
>>109051276
ok then install windows 10/11 and just don't click on candy crush in the start menu

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>>109051349
>shilling brave while shitting on tails

>>109051521
ive seen there website has some controversy because so many people have tried to improve it only to be shot down. i think of all distros arch is probably my fav, although there are some minor tweaks id make. I dislike web 3.0 layouts where you have to scroll through a million full screen images just to get any info.

>>109051578
tails is fine i guess, its their browser thats less secure since its firefox based. plus brave is fine. on android as well its arguable second only to vanadium (and brave has better ad blocking)

>>109051578
i mean i think brave is decent if your main goal is to just browse the internet and be less bad than chrome

>>109051550
>ok then install windows 10/11 and just don't click on candy crush in the start menu

how is that in any way comparable

>>109051578
It's the best current Chromium browser OOTB besides disabling its Web3 features and such. Call it a "glowie psyop" as much as you want.

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>>109051599
it's comparable in every way. firefox has ads built in. Google makes chromium and is pro-Israel. every other web browser either sucks ass or is downstream of the corporate bullshit. Lennart Poettering literally works for Microsoft. Red Hat is literally owned by IBM. and Debian and Arch literally follow the lead of (((Fed)))ora. remember how many games, office programs, and image editors you lost access to moving from macOS/Windows to Linux? you lose even more moving away from systemd. so many things are flatpaks now. flatpak depends on systemd. to be clear: i don't hate systemd as a technology. i hate corporate control. you often only get software installable for Windows or MacOS. now you also get a .deb, .rpm, and a .pkg.tar.zst. but, no matter what, you MUST use corporate controlled software. the level of friction is mind-boggling. every school and workplace directs you to install apps that require iOS or Android, the Google-Apple big-tech duopoly. every phone has a piece of Israel inside of it. using JavaScript is mandatory if you want to go to school or get a job. i've seen webpages that are fucking BLANK without JavaShit. go ahead and run OSs controlled by child-murdering demons. but at least stop lying to yourself that you're not sucking the CIA's balls

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>>109051637
there is none. just don't use anything derived from Google. also avoid all Intel hardware. you have no idea the forces we are up against. it's a demonic army of evil software coming at us in all countries. the entire supply chain is compromised

>>109051667
>>109051689
Go live in a cave in the woods already, anon.

>>109051667
I wasn't really trying to say those things aren't bad, it's moreso, battling everything that exists is just tiring. Like, it's easy to just tune out of it, because the alternative feels maddening. It isn't to say give up but rather, build what you can I guess. i end up going on similar rants about random things but just find myself very unsatisfied after

the world is basically already neurotic as fuck, i feel like just becoming even more neurotic will just completely annihilate the self and lead to even deeper wallowing in misery, maybe that's just cope because i can't actually change those things though

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How I'm supposed to change the "Global" setting using systemd's resolvectl?
Tried reading the manual page but I'm too ESL and retarded. Also tried "Global" as a link name but

Failed to resolve interface "Global": No such device

Another question:
>CentOS-Stream-Container-Base-10-latest.x86_64.tar.xz
>CentOS-Stream-Container-Minimal-10-latest.x86_64.tar.xz
Which one of these is equivalent for Gentoo's "Stage3" archive? I've got the kernel and bootloader already covered therefore I only need the base system and init.

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>>109051694
what i'm saying is we need an alternative to Firefox to run on non-Intel, non-HP, non-Dell hardware (maybe AMD/Lenovo would be an easy alternative?). and an alternative to iOS and Android. not that we can't use technology. it's that we should avoid known bad actors

>>109051780
You could just wait for Ladybird I guess.

>>109051766
What's in /etc/resolv.conf?

>>109051795
It's the config file for systemd-resolved, the DNS lookup part of systemd-networkd.

>>109051780
so, the idea is, even if something is heavily modified, it's still bad because the source is tainted? i also have to ask, is AMD more secure than intel? is the implication that software that supports intel is inherently compromised? i know next to nothing about this shit

>>109051689
>also avoid all Intel hardware
girl you know amd has the same backdoors, and the last cpu to not have them was the FX-8350

also that made me realise
>there are 4chan users who are as old as the fx-8350
i have been here way too long

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>>109051810
you can use degoogled-chromium if you want. i'm just saying that, in the long term, being dependent on corporate leftovers seals your doom. we've seen that with Android, which started out "open source" but with increasingly restrictive policies on side-loading and less and less frequent source code releases. plus, good android ROMs like GrapheneOS only run on Google's own Pixel hardware... playing right back into Google's hands! if corporate controls your upstream, then corporate controls you. as for AMD, it's not perfect, but it's a step up from Intel+CIA+Israel+IME+overpriced. i've used Intel myself. but i wouldn't buy it moving forward knowing what i know now

>>109051856
So you will become the annoying guy at parties that no one wants to talk to anymore? I dunno what you really want from the thread right now, anon.

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ive been having this weird issue with xfce where if i move my mouse to quickly it causes the system to lag a bit especially with video decoding and if i spin it it starts to drift and get heavy and im at my wits end trying to find the issue to the point im thinking it's just an xorg issue

i will say it doesnt happen if i do it over a firefox window though

>>109051766
your dns is using "Global", which doesn't exist, instead of eth0/wlan0. edit /etc/systemd/resolved.conf or run resolvectl dns [interface] [dns server ip] as root, then restart systemd-resolved using systemctl. there is no equivalence between gentoo stage 3 and centos designed specifically for containers, but, presumably, base contains more software than minimal. you should be able to estimate roughly from the size

>>109051803
i was asking what's in yours because it's probably misconfigured

>>109051795

nameserver 127.0.0.53

The resolver stub obviously. How's that relevant regarding systemd-resolved itself?
>>109051803
resolv.conf isn't a config file for systemd

>>109051895
file a bug report to your maintainer if you can replicate it. post xorg, firefox, and xfce versions? post uname -a? someone with the same or similar setup could try replicating

Hey can one of (You) take your stray retard from /fwt/? Thanks a ton.

>>109051912
im on debian 13 with a backported kernel and GPU driver stack for AMD on im on kernel 7.0.10+deb13-amd64 and my GPU drivers are whatever's the latest on trixie-backports

xorg is 1:7.7+24+deb13u1 and xfce is 4.20.1

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>>109051926
>/fwt/
i actually came from /lgbt/

>>109051912
>>109051936
nope, scratch that, i found the issue I didn't have tearfree on for xorg im a retard i ran it through xrandr manually and it went away immediately

hurr durr

>>109051967
i lied again, that didnt fix it, it just went away for a bit and came back this issue is intermittent holy fuck

>>109051766
Just make a drop-in with the DNS you want, for example:

#!/bin/sh

drop_in="/run/systemd/resolved.conf.d"

mkdir -p "$drop_in"

CNAME="#one.one.one.one"

sudo tee "$drop_in"/dns_servers.conf <<EOF
[Resolve]
DNS=2606:4700:4700::1111${CNAME} 1.1.1.1${CNAME} 2606:4700:4700::1001${CNAME} 1.0.0.1${CNAME}
Domains=~.
DNSOverTLS=yes
EOF

systemctl restart systemd-resolved

Make the drop-in in /etc/systemd to be permanent

>>109051896
A pure container wouldn't have init. And looks like there is no init or even systemd in the "Container Minimal" package.
>>109052014
OK so there's no command for changing global settings and the only way is to use the config file? Got it.

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Should I use Brave Origin as Firefox's sidekick? What's the catch for linux version?

>>109052267
Firefox+UBO and Brave are the best of both worlds. Firefox as the main with Brave as the one used if something wants Chromium more.

What are files that are fine to backup in case of a potentially compromised install? I'd really just want to keep my .config

>>109052277
>Firefox+UBO and Brave are the best of both worlds. Firefox as the main with Brave as the one used if something wants Chromium more.
nta but i think brave is better than firefox with UBO from a security perspecive, but apparently ff has improved a lot recently

>>109052302
Well it's either/or really. You can even install uBO within Brave if you want because Brave has made it a built-in extension you can activate.

>>109052329
>Well it's either/or really
not really, firefox security is worse than chrome, their telemetry is also quite a lot and gecko is a huge attack surface
believe me, i wish firefox was better

>>109052372
in what way is the security worse?
in what way is the attack surface larger for gecko?

>>109052412
just what ive read, and what the grapheneos people say

>>109051189
Why not just use NixOS and install select programs on unstable channel while keeping everything else on stable?

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As someone who switched from windows to cachy, I'm still confused by program installation.
Theres pacman, octopi, flatpak, aur (yes I know) and whatnot else. What do I use to install programs and does it even matter really? Not having a clear gui after windows (go on website, click download, install, finished) is pretty unusual.

>>109052870
Considering that it's arch-based, you primarily want to use pacman, but you may consider flatpak or even snap for specific packages. I wouldn't be surprised if you can find a UI for pacman.

>>109052870
The main way to install programs in Arch is with the CLI tool pacman, which Octopi or Shelly are GUI frontends to.
For commands you only need to remember a couple for daily use, like "sudo pacman -S" to install things, "sudo pacman -Syu" to full update your system, "sudo pacman -Rns to fully uninstall things. There's many others and you can just read through pacman's manpage or its page on the Arch Wiki to see the rest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cachyos/comments/1u3lqes/aur_has_been_hit_by_a_malware_campaign/
>AUR has been hit by malware campaign
Realistically, what would be a sane way for Arch maintainers to get this shit under control? Please assume that Arch devs are lazy fucks (nothing wrong there) and are NOT willing to put anymore time into AUR than they're already doing.
Is nuking AUR as a whole a viable option? I think at lot of Arch's selling point is the flexibility and free labor it gets from AUR packages. It cannot be a good for them to sacrifice that.
Is it a viable option to outsource it to another community? I could imagine to hand this over to the biggest 3 distros that are based on Arch. Would something like that work?

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>>109052939
>sudo pacman -Rns

just a note on that, you shouldn't always use that for every uninstallation as it might delete optional dependencies of other programs.

sudo pacman -R is the safest bet for uninstallations

>>109052959
The only packages that were attacked with malware changes were packages that were orphaned that no one was paying attention to. Plus the Arch devs constantly say to use the AUR at your own risk and to always read the PKGBUILD before compiling/installing. This isn't their problem.

>>109052959
They simply need to drop AUR entirely. Users can use Nixpkgs which is the absolute biggest Linux software repo anyway.

>>109049844
It's a stable distro, not a beta test.

>>109050873
Why not use Arch? It's as lightweight as you set it up to be.

>>109050904
If you really want to start from scratch, sure. If you want to make one with a different DE or something. But if you're just looking to set up additional packages or make a few simple changes you can simply layer those on top of one of their distros.

>>109050944
Universal Blue atomic distros > regular Fedora > Fedora Atomic
That said their plan is to make atomic versions the default/primary ones in a few years. So if you want to be ahead of the curve you can start using one of those.

What is the TLDR of the arch linux package thing? Did someone supply chain attack the AUR?

>>109052992
I wouldn't even call it a supply chain attack. Anyone could do it.

The TLDR; is:

>Some retard wrote a script to hijack all adopted packages with an `npm install malware` script
>Orphaned packages are packages without a package maintainer and by design can be picked up by anyone else as a maintainer

>>109052992
Some people modified orphaned package PKGBUILD files on the AUR with malware added to the compile script.

>>109053001
So its a nothingburger if I install actually maintained packages?

>>109053016
Pretty much, yeah. I checked the list against what I had installed and not a single package.

>>109052971
The latest insight I read on this claims that also packages are covered that went orphaned less than a year ago.
>This isn't their problem.
My argument is that it is the problem of the Arch maintainers. They provide it. AUR became part of Arch's selling point. It's too well adopted and used to be treated as a service to be used at your own risk. Sure, one can say everyone is on their own, but that's a bizarre inversion of "community".
>>109052975
Nobody uses NixOS. Arch replaced Debian at humanity's most important base distro when Valve decided to kick Microsoft's ass at PC and console gaming. It will be replaced once Europe's corporate world decides to switch to Linux as well. That will happen soon. I really hope it's neither Red Hat nor Suse. But to get back to the point, they might have to drop AUR or hand it over to a end user distro that is based on Arch. Whoever wants to take care will take care.

>>109053040
>My argument is that it is the problem of the Arch maintainers. They provide it. AUR became part of Arch's selling point. It's too well adopted and used to be treated as a service to be used at your own risk.
Except it's a repository of user-packages. In an ideal world the AUR shouldn't even exist and packages should get promoted to the main Arch repos.

>>109052992
>Did someone supply chain attack the AUR?
Basically, yes.

>>109052870
>Not having a clear gui after windows (go on website, click download, install, finished) is pretty unusual.
You can do that as well, if you want. Some projects ever prefer that

>>109052976
>It's a stable distro, not a beta test.
Will all due respect and staying friendly, but this is pure denial. It's neither stable nor a beta test. It is the development instance of the de facto Red Hat QA pipeline. Yes, they pretend otherwise, but it is what it is.
>>109053047
Yeah, but we are in this world instead. Pre-slop time, this was fine. We are in a new era and the Arch distro and its derivate distros need new solutions.

>>109052870
>As someone who switched from linux to windows, I'm still confused by program installation
>there's the windows store, chocolatey, winget, .exe files, .msi files, .bat files, .zip files, installing using powershell, installing using CMD
>What do I use to install programs and does it even matter really?
>Not having a clear gui after linux (go into the app store, click download, finished) is pretty unusual.

>>109052976
>Why not use Arch? It's as lightweight as you set it up to be.
just got hacked

>>109053096
Arch did not get hacked. Saying Arch got hacked is like saying Github got hacked for hosting malware.

>>109053081
Fedora Rawhide is the testing/beta version. Just because RHEL is based on older and more thoroughly tested Fedora packages doesn't mean that Fedora is a beta test like the other anon suggested, and it doesn't mean Fedora is "not stable". By that anon's logic no distro or distro version would be considered stable until the exact moment it becomes abandonware since that's when all the development and maintenance stops.

>used to only run updates at the end of every couple of weeks hoping it would give me more time since release to let shit get sorted out
I think this is no longer enough, I could still get hit by bad luck if I used arch and updated recently and get hit. Is is possible to delay updating each individual package? Like check latest update release date if less than 2 weeks do not update?

I use cachyos btw.

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Whats a really good imageviewer? On windows I used QuickView which was amazing, why doesn't that fucker make a linux version

>>109053171
So that mouse can only move forward and back and maybe make turns?

>>109053171
nomacs good by default,
mpv if you got hands and big brain.

>>109053162
There's a list showing which AUR packages were effected. Put that against the packages you installed from there to see if you were hit.

>>109053171
qimgv

>>109053171
The one KDE uses gwenview is pretty good.

>>109052959
They should be adopting more AUR packages into the main package repo instead of leaving them on the AUR. Some packages that you would find in the repos of any other distro are somehow in the aur instead of the main repos on arch.

>>109052870
Usually pacman, then the AUR, after that maybe flatpak.
Most of the time the flatpak version of a package is usually worse than the pacman version but flatpaks are more convenient i guess.
Some programs will also ship as an appimage(mainly games) but those have no proper standard on how they should be updated aside from manually downloading the newer appimage.

>>109051904
>resolv.conf isn't a config file for systemd
it technically is because /etc/resolv.conf usually gets symlinked to a different file when running systemd-resolved

>>109051349
its not secure if you have bad opsec
nothing will protect you if you dont know what you're doing

>>109051349
Brave's built-in tor is not recommended for privacy. Use the actual Tor browser.

>>109052870
Why are so many normie faggots using cachy of all distros?

>>109044797
I'm on Ubuntu 26.04 and lemme tell ya. The *krashes* meme is real. Still not using gnome though

>>109046113
>after rejecting XLibre in Alpine due to their reactionary background
>then a notable far-right Linux podcaster made a video targeting me, focusing on my transgender identity rather than technical merits

Imagine that. Rejecting a project for a non-technical reason and then people make fun of you for a non-technical reason. Its almost like being overtly political invites further political discussion.

>>109045811
>OpenBSD is ruined
>shows a literal who post on FreeBSD.org
What do xhe mean by this?

>>109051214
Just stick to Arch and don't install random AUR packages unless you read the PKGBUILD. Also, they update separately from your normal system so you can just never update them. The exact same thing can happen to you with Ubuntu PPAs or grabbing a random pkg-src template from a rando's GitHub. People to this day still pipe random shell scripts into bash, so there will never be a time where you can turn your brain off unless your computer has no Internet connection.

>>109053376
nta, but it's the current hype bandwagon
i got recommended it, looked into it, and the way it's described just seem good to me
- i don't care about the label 'arch', but i 'rolling updates' are normal to me as a windows user, no?
whenever programs get new updates, you can immediately update them. you're not waiting half a year for windows to approve those updates
- cachy specific compiles focusing on performance => faster than other distros. i don't know how real these compile differences actually are, but anecdotally, i've hated how sluggish ubuntu, kubuntu and fedora felt.
- it surprisingly 'just worked', which i wasn't expecting. >>109051214
yesterday, i installed kubuntu, opened firefox, and it crashed on startup nonstop. that's the linux experience i was fearing. but on arch, everything worked out of the box

>>109053514
yeah, i reinstalled cachy again this morning
for my approach to aur going forward,
this only happened because the original owner left the project, and aur allows anyone to take it over
but if i'm installing something from a 'big' company (like say, jetbrains), then i can feel safe with keeping that on my system?

>>109050673
>which version
1.11, just one ahead, which uses wlroots .19
I can't verify if that was actually the root of the issue but I spent hours isolating pretty much everything else I could think of and trying a bunch of different window managers and desktops on Debian. This is also why I am a fan of being more up to date now. Selectively updating bits and pieces of your stack when they give you issues until you have everything nailed down is much harder than just updating the entire thing

>>109053327
Good to know, why is flatpak worse? I got bottles off of it for example

hyprland breaking every fucking update is so AIDS, how tf do people use this as a their daily DE

>>109053746
I'm using it from trixie-backports and I have never encountered this problem, it works okay for me so far

>>109053746
>hyprland
>DE
lol. lmao, even.

hyprland is eye candy spaghetti held together by duct tape.

>>109053327
>>109053646
Surely recent history shows us that the AUR is an absolutely terrible idea. Meanwhile on Flathub, many packages are verified as coming from the devs themselves, rather than from some random person.

>>109053640
I don't doubt it, wlroots-based always gave me headaches but I've had significantly less Wayland latency issues in recent memory in general, could've also been a good mesa update or something but I never found the root solution either

>>109053761
On arch with the official repos it keeps dying on me every -Syu

>>109054030
yeah fuck arch it should give at least some kind of error or text explaining what failed but fucking NO

>>109054044
I'm not here for tech support it's just dependency problems, it's still annoying tho

>>109054057
oh ok I thought we were just shitting on arch which I love to do

>>109054030
>>109054044
Sounds like a (You) problem

>>109054030
I thought you were having an issue with the config breaking every update since Vaxry is an absolute spastic and keeps changing the syntax
no idea what your issue is I've never had issues updating

any weather forecast with a tremendous amount of cities to choose from, in other words, accurate?

>>109053746
not updating.
unless there is some breakthrough new thing you might like, unlikely with a DE.

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>>109054194

curl wttr.in

Straight white men use VOID. Everything else is disgusting trannyware

>>109054194
There's GUI apps like Mousam and Meteo, plus the terminal tool wttr.in as anon mentions here >>109054224

>>109052870
use pacman for everything you can, and flatpak for everything else. search using pacman -Ss for keywords and pipe it into grep with the -i option for case insensitivity to further narrow and highlight a secondary keyword. use -Qi to get more info and -Fy to search by file (like the name of the command you want). i think pacman is shit and the syntax shoud just be app install Firefox or app search office but whatever. only use flathub and GNOME as flatpak providers, or otherwise official sources. you can use the aur but do not search it. if a project directs you to the aur as an official way of running their app on arch... what the hell am i saying... you want GUI? just install fedora

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>>109053171
qview is pretty good, sane defaults, lightweight and shows only the image instead of 8 toolbars and menus on top.
>>109053806
That goes both ways, a lot of packages on Flathub are not submitted by the original author, while on the AUR they are. Flathub shows unverified programs all the time on its own front page lol. Regardless of method, just don't install niche programs with 1 review/vote and you'll be fine. If you really want to be sure, search for the program's website (pretty much every piece of software has at least a github page), its author will often list the official installation methods available.
>>109053522
I recently tried Cachy on a VM and I can see why people like it, though it's not my cup of tea. Some of the defaults are really weird, like using fish instead of bash.

>>109052959
nuke projects without votes. nuke projects without active maintainers. number orphaned packages. nuke outdated packages. don't host it on archlinux.org. and futher modify the branding on the website to make it clear it's unofficial, with lage-text, high-contrast (white on black or black on white heading text) legal disclaimer

>>109054369
>a lot of packages on Flathub are not submitted by the original author
Very true. I avoid those packages.
>while on the AUR they are
Fair enough, I didn't know that.
>If you really want to be sure, search for the program's website (pretty much every piece of software has at least a github page), its author will often list the official installation methods available.
I definitely agree with that.

remove exceptions for patches and extra features for software already packaged officially. those should be upstreamed or separately maintained

Haruna, Gwenview, Dolphin are all so slow...

>>109044817
I exclusively use Debian but desu I am a little annoyed by having an older version of Plasma because the newer versions have features related to color profiles that I'd like to use. For the most part though, outdated packages aren't that bad unless I need to compile something and get thrown into dependency hell because the program needs something newer than what Debian provides.

>>109051189
I've been seriously considering this for a while and I can see no major faults with it. Does it work on Devuan/without systemd?

>>109054543
>unless I need to compile something and get thrown into dependency hell because the program needs something newer than what Debian provides
This is real, but I've also rarely encountered a scenario where simply editing the build script to allow the version packaged in debian didn't work

>>109054581
I've somehow ended up in a situation where I've installed a package using

dpkg -i --ignore-depends=libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev package.deb

but now apt complains about libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev not being available and refuses to install anything without first uninstalling package.deb.

>>109053087
>there's the windows store, chocolatey, winget, .exe files, .msi files, .bat files, .zip files, installing using powershell, installing using CMD
That's a rather dishonest comparison as 95% windows programs are installed via .exes downloaded from the web, and most Windows users have no idea that other options exist.
Most of what you cited are Microsoft trying (and failing) to fix glaring flaws in Windows' app packaging.

>>109045058
>I'm blown away by the quality of this AI-produced artwork
No human talks like this. Blog was AI generated, praising AI images lmao. The fuck is the point of AI wallpapers anyway, cutting costs? Bitch just grab some random royalty free stock images, nobody is switching to Ubanto because "OMG pretty wallpapers!!!"

>Nvidia Driver and Xbox Controller Driver will be removed to install regular slew of fedora updates
i was told only windows was supposed to do this shit. at least it's not automatic

>>109053379
Curious, I am using Kubuntu 26.04 on my laptop for three weeks now and haven't experienced krashes yet. Which I have constantly gotten on Fedora.

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>>109052888
>or even snap

>>109054745
I’d be cool with snap if they didn’t shit up my logs with apparmor denials.

>>109044817
I used to use Debian. I had to stop. Too many things were just broken or so out of date. I love the idea of Debian but it needs to get its shit together and at least be no more than a few months out of date.
I don't think Arch's approach is any better, for anyone who isn't a developer. It's not the (in)stability that's the problem it's the security problems. There ought to be a happy medium somewhere, maybe that's Fedora, maybe it's more like Ubuntu, but unfortunately it seems the distros that try to find a comfortable balance are very corporate, very unresponsive to user wishes, and are racing to ram through a bunch of brand new structural things to the underlying system that nobody was asking for. I'm getting pretty frustrated with Linux the last couple years. There's so much enshitification, across the board. Not sure where I'm going or what I'll do, but I need to make changes.
>>109051337
I'm low-key a fan of openSUSE, fucking around with it in VMs. It takes some of the rough edges off of bleeding edge like Arch. They don't deliberately and knowingly ship stuff that's going to break your system.
I'm not yet what I'd consider a "power user" with openSUSE but a big reason why is I simply haven't committed to bare metal daily driving yet. I'm sure there's a lot of sticking points I will run into if/when I do. And that jump is probably going to happen within a year. But also because I just haven't had any real problems. Yeah a few times I got bugs and had to wait for a new release, but nothing so critical that I felt like rolling back. As always with Linux you learn the most when you actually have to fix something. openSUSE just kinda works, out-of-the-box, no real fuss.

>"just use linux bro"
>none of them are user friendly or good
>try out and use linux mint for the first time

First thing that happened was complete broken laggy animations on 200% scaling on my 4k monitor, all AMD PC btw.

LOL why can't linooox just do the basic shit right

>>109051214
You can use Arch based distros no problem, especially Cachy, the AUR thing is exaggerated to no end.
In my experience Fedora tends to lag for some reason but you can install the cachy kernel on Fedora if you want its speed/performance while not doing rolling release.
Same with buntu, the liquorix kernel is really well performing. As for the brave snap lag it could be because snaps have horrible hardware acceleration implementation, they almonds always default to cpu rendering. You could try the native version and see if it performs the same.

>>109054815
>linux mint
>monitor issues
Pottery.

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Y'all need Linux Mint in their lives.

>>109053646
Flatpak somehow has worse performance and sometimes stuff can break due to sandboxing or its builtin libraries. Native packages are usually always better than stuff like flatpak or snap.

>>109054815
>>109054844
Let me guess, it's another "didn't install nvidia drivers correctly" situation.
>inb4 nah-uh all amd

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>>109054854
a reskin of a Debian reskin?

>>109046095
Very cool how anyone can just make every piece of software unusable to chuds simply by calling it trans or blm. All kernels are trans. All userspace applications are blm. What are you going to use now, chuddie?

>>109054870
No, just mint using old shit. Everyone is switching to Wayland but Debian and their downstream take even longer to sort it out.

>before malware infestation
>bro just use the AUR if you need anything that's not in the official repo
>after malware infestation
>AUR? lol who the fuck uses that anyway bro

>>109054895
Computers are now gay, time to go outside.
It's over. Millions must touch grass.

>>109054815
use fedora. idk why people are still shilling mint as user-friendly when it's an outdated ubuntu still stuck on x11

>>109054369
>qview

Oh hell yeah anon, thats exactly what I was looking for, just the image and no extra buttons and whatnot, thank you

>>109054926
Whats friendly about fedora? Last time I used it the app store broke on the KDE version and I couldnt install anything.

>>109054904
the AUR is fine just fit install weird obscure stuff that isn't endorsed by the upstream. for example, https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/download links to https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/minecraft-launcher
so use exactly that. don't yay -S minecraft-launcher-bin or minecraft-launcher-git

>>109054859
I see, good to know, I have a few thing off of it but I'll try and not rely on it too much.

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I have the weirdest fucking problem with cachy on earth.
Every time I start my pc I have no sound on my headphones, the only way to fix it is by switching back and forth between sound outputs and pressing the LH/RH sound test buttons and and some point it starts working then.
The fuck does that even mean? Makes no sense to me, can it be an audio manager problem? Headphones are connected to the front port on my pc case

>>109054901
Debian has already switched to wayland actually, it's default out of the box on stable when you pick a DE that supports it well like Plasma. It's just Cinnamon that is behind debian stable. This is nothing but a weird decision from mint maintainers.

Is there a good shareX alternative on linux? I like it alot as a screenshot tool but the ability to record gifs quickly is a banger

>>109055023
>Cachy
Go back to Windows and never come here again

>>109054995
Sometimes the package will be officially maintained by upstream devs and recommends using the flatpak like obs or bottles but it really just depends on the package