>>109064077
>BRAAAAP!

Just not to be scompletely off-topic. Fart noises used to be kids fun, now it's degenerate bullshit.

>If you've been using the Internet since the early days and have spent more time online than not, where do you go from here?
If you think there's someone on 4chan who can just tell you about some sekrit klubb that somehow bypassed this problem, I highly doubt your little resumé is true. There is nowhere to go from here. Go make a neocities blog and stop updating it in 3 days. Otherwise, start using forums again, maybe make one, and encourage other people to join that forum with you. Culture isn't created on alternative websites anymore because no one, including you, is using them.

>>109064077
>where do you go from here?
When they finally close it for anonymous non-digital ID internet, I"ll just not participate in it. I'll go back to IRC and BBS or whatever they have running on I2P.

But I'm not worried. They won't ever close this loophole. They can't. If every human click is tied to a digital ID, then my server doesn't need to waste resources sending free pages and ads to a crawler spider bot that won't buy the product. So it won't reply to bots. So the bots will impersonate people. Whatever loophole the bots use to navigate, why can I use it for myself? I'm mostly a lurker anyway, this is the only shithole I stil post because I can still do it ""anonymously"".

>>109064077
>4chan no longer creates culture
doesn't it? I mean, Trump is only president again because a tripfag from /pol/ who calls himself Q has a multi-million boomer audience

>>109064129
Yes, I do think that. We were discussing the btc white paper here on /g/ in 2010/2011. It's not "super sekrit" and the fact that you think this way demonstrates the problem. There has been an inversion here where it was once a source of creation, originality, information exchange and is now just a dumping ground and you can only conceptualize of how it was originally by thinking of it in terms of a secret club. Zoomer girls on Instagram now buy used ThinkPads to ape the obscure image board/forum user need aesthetic so they can more effectively thirst trap zoomer losers. That came from here originally and they just stole it and now it's circular because people like that took over this place. It's like a bad game of telephone or a jpg that has been reencoded multiple times

>>109064151
yeah "Tulip" that's the only reason

>>109064156
Don't pin it on me asshole. You're the one sitting here complaining about how this board doesn't create anything anymore, while not creating anything. It's fine to blame the turdies for everything, but as far as I'm aware, the same white people are all either still here, got old & had kids/died, or trooned out. There used to be social incentives for creativity, a viral flash animation would make you a celebrity, anonymously or otherwise, and that was enough. Now people want a corporate pay with benefits for making anything online, and until the capability for that disappears, I don't see anything truly getting fixed.

>>109064201
>or trolled out
Why did this happen? At least two of my nerd friends who were big into Linux and tech became ma'ams.

Yes money does corrupt but people originally were motivated to come here just for fun, entertainment or in my case valuable info which could be sifted from the detritus. I was motivated by knowledge and genuine interest and passion and I can't believe that all of the other guys I knew in cyberspace just abandoned those motives because we got older

>>109064129
The reason people aren't using forums is because they're all dogshit. The closest thing to a decent forum is unironically kiwi fucking farms, which is filled with mentally ill stalkers who think having sex with 15 year olds is pedophillia. I am honestly flabbergasted how not a single good forum exists, I cannot understand it.

>>109064245
>having sex with 15 year olds is pedophillia
It is, faggot.
Kill yourself.

>>109064245
forums seem to have died around the time I moved out and no longer had limits on my computer time (~2014). I used to have no problems using them because I'd undoubtedly have to wait a few days before I could check the responses to my threads. I don't feel like anyone alive is capable of this sort of delayed gratification anymore, and so they instead prefer twitter/instagram where they just get filled with 5g corona brainwaves nonstop until they pass out

>>109064245
Cuz a good forum is not infrastructure, it's the people who are there. Same as a neighborhood, town, city, country. You don't log onto a website and become a user, you become a user and build that site, you are responsible for its content and culture and everything. That's why this place is dog shit now; it is full of digital plebs.

>>109064151
Remember when Trump faked his shooting and all of /pol/ was flooded by shills insisting that the only people who doubted the event were nutters who thought he let himself get shot in the ear on purpose? Why would the glowniggers spend so much time shitposting on that board if it was just entirely uninfluential?

>>109064258
I don't care about your point very strongly because I don't want to be around 15 year old, but moralfags have become unhinged and this culture of couch fainting and pearl clutching and general hysteria and witch hunts is absolute horse shit. Stop exporting it here you fucking faggot.

>>109064258
Then how come Arnold did it openly and no one gave shit? If it was a pathology, you'd think people before the year 2000 would've identified it as such.

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>>109064258
Hi Jersh

>>109064267
How does one attract a high quality userbase to create a proper online forum community then? They managed to do it 20 years ago, so why not now?

>>109064077
I'm a zoomer who only really started using the internet in 2014, but as I demonstrated itt >>109055246 >>109055391 >>109056222
Nerds are constantly attempting to revive what we used to love about the internet, however there are many barriers we can't seem to get past. We fall into the same pitfalls with the illusion of protecting a sacrosanct "community" instead of designing the platform or protocol to encourage the behavior we want to see from the beginning.

>>109064320
Good question. What incentives do old school users want or need to congregate in one place? Low friction posts? Lack of accounts? Sane policies with largely hands-off moderation by members of the community who embody the site's values?

What's the opposite of paying people to post?

>>109064351
You don't even know what "we used to love about the internet" because you weren't here. The hot rod CPU for your time was an oc'd i5-2500k. You are making an argument about something you're clueless about. This isn't an insult just a criticism. But you DID get to see the tail end of that old stuff if you paid attention and spent a lot of time in the right places around then. But I doubt that.

>>109064077
>The writing is also on the wall for digital ID and CBDC.
The internet really is ending, isn't it? It will literally be a worse place than real life. Except you won't be able to survive real life without internet anymore.

>>109064351
What you don't understand is that modern platforms have enabled, even enforced the behavior we don't want to see. For the platforms it's good business.
Early interaction like IRC, random forums, 4chan, they all didn't make money and didn't exist for the purpose of making money. Modern social media are a billion dollar business.
To be honest, I have no idea what you're even trying to say with your post.

>>109064245
>they're all dogshit
You have no personality other than being racist, this is why you can't find any forums and think they're all shit
>kiwi fucking troons
why is your best example a site full of trannies and people who become lolcows the moment they dox themselves? Every user there is an inevitable tranny or a lolcow

>>109064511
If there was a good forum you'd name it. But there isn't, so you won't.

>>109064511
>moralfagging about race
>slurring troons in the same sentence
Brown nipples detected, posting rights revoked

>>109064526
Im gatekeeping an active gaming forum that doesn't isn't full of insufferable retards and doesn't end in GAF or Era, Sorry.
>>109064534
being a tranny is a white only phenomenon xister

İ agree with that argument yes im not an aged interneter but guys companies and goverments always tried their best to limit the internet they wanted propoganda but with existense of the internet that doesnt really work so companies makes money with your information and goverments tries theri best to limit you and identify you back then irc forums and even some games that we used to enjoy talk make stuff now there are long gone but people can still make the internet like the good old days and there is tiny bit of hope and a tiny bit of that internet when mid 2025 that og internet hit with his own "modern" internet and ai companies started show up and eat all our ram data and shot to our parilament

I've already resigned myself, before the final "LEGISLATION TO PROTECT CHILDREN FROM DRUGGED TERRORIST PEDOPHILES" passes - which will permanently end any and all on-line anonymity - to just download the latest available AI model then.

I'll have that model pretend to be all of you, and generate /g/ threads and posts.

So smile, bros, you'll shitpost on my machine forever, shiny and chrome.

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>>109064403
To me the 9/11 of the internet was when platforms became stricter on speech to cultivate a safer space, then I retracted into smaller forums and more niche spaces, had a phase where I was obsessed with "Le heckin old internet culture" and I've seen every attempt at revival.
So there's my resume. I might not have been around during it's prime, but I've caught a glimpse and seen countless failures to revive it.
>>109064467
No I understand it perfectly well.
>Reddit promotes groupthink with it's upvote system
>4chan promotes controversy by ordering threads from the last reply
>YouTube promotes content through recommendations and monetization
The commonality is engagement. You can promote any behavior by how the website is designed and it's aesthetic, as long as it encourages engagement/interaction the userbase can grow in the direction you want.
I'm also saying this idea of a "site culture" is what kills off most new sites. The platform becomes self serving and only attracts a niche audience (which is likely already spread out) instead of multiple communities interacting with eachother, boosting engagement and growing the platform.
Finally, maybe you do need to get a little sinister to compete with FAGMAN for a slither of the pie.

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>>109064129
>If you think there's someone on 4chan who can just tell you about some sekrit klubb that somehow bypassed this problem
>>109064134
>IRC and BBS
for me, it's cyberix

>>109064618
The "old Internet culture" shit is all zoomers who have secondhand nostalgia based on shitty videos by other zoomers. They aren't doing legit original research or even just talking to oldfags who were there. You don't even know that Internet is a proper noun. You don't need a resume to see how shit this situation has become but you do to make a credible assertion, or at least you need better arguments.

>>109064077
Chill tf out unc, we have just entered the Era of AI, shit's about to get wild.

Ever heard of The Singularity?

>>109064618
You just don't get it. But also why waste my energy trying to explain it, not like it matters.

>>109064637
All we're getting is the singularity of shit.

My heart is bleeding when the people just dont shout at this mess i hope one day the og internet replaces this shit "MoDerN" internet anf now goverments and companies says "ArE yOu aN aDouLT pLeASe JuSt ClİCk tHiS bUtToN fOr aGe vErİfİcAtİoN aNd gİvE uS mOrE oF YoUr PeRsOnAl İnFo"

>>109064637
nah son i aint tryin to play no sigularity game

>>109064629
>>109064642
I've acknowledged 'net culture is a phase for zoomers, I'm talking about the spirit of the matter. I have no interest in larping a niche forum like it's 2005 (le heckin cyberix guis it will work this time trust). I'm laying out a roadmap for how something new can sprout from the ashes.

>>109064677
Then we are on the same page. The questions are these >>109064390

>>109064077
I think the internet is done. It'll always 'be around' in the same way that broadcast television or radio have been around, but people won't really care about it. It'll fade into background noise and the internet will be a way to access your bank account or buy things, while actual communities or connecting with people falls out of favor.

When everyone acts like a kiwifarms faggot over the most minor things, who really gives a fuck? The concept of fandom or community will die. Nobody really discussed television shows or comics or books with the general public (outside of small clubs of curated members/friends) pre-internet, and we'll return to that.

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>>109064677
>(le heckin cyberix guis it will work this time trust)
>I'm talking about the spirit of the matter.
You should know that the pinned meta thread talks about this spirit. Observe:
https://cy-x.net/pane/post/770

>The second frustration is more specific. There has been a wave of communities and projects framing themselves as revivals of some better, earlier era of the internet. Most of them are costume parties. They try to replicate the visual style of old websites, old forums and old imageboards without understanding what made those places worth anything. The value was never in the aesthetics. Rather, it was in the people who were genuinely building things, writing things, and thinking through problems in public. Those people were REAL HUMANS who existed and put in real effort. That effort is what produced the culture being imitated. The imitation drops the effort and keeps only the look.

>>109064390
You misunderstood the problem. A bunch of old school users congregating on some classic forum is possible, can be done, still happens, good for you if you're part of it.
But you can't fix the current internet because neither normalfags nor commercial entities using these normalfags have an interest in it. Normalfags just think the current form of the internet is the only possible form. Commercial entities like the current form because it makes money.

>>109064698
I do want to add, I think something like local BBS will make a comeback. It's got that cool factor, requires technical skills, and limiting access from non-local connections can prevent a lot of the enshittification that has hit the internet (bad faith actors from all over the world fucking shit up, trying to doxx people, etc. large language models trying to skinwalk the people there to sell shit, etc.)

The only question would how to prevent people from trying to use their accounts/access as a bridge/vpn for the wider internet to access it, but that can be limited. Somethingawful (no matter how gay or transgender it is or isnt), has largely gatekept its userbase with the 10 dollar requirement. Imagine if you had some smart nerd who sold physical hardware to access their own BBS or sold access tokens.

People will pay to get away from the plebs. The only issue is making a curated website with exclusive, high quality data that people want to pay for.

>>109064714
This isn't some truth nuke as the kids say, it's fucking obvious that young people today are fully deracinated and that "goth girl" is just 1 of 8 selections from the outfit menu, and these same people think in those terms in a general way. Put on a nirvana shirt you are now and authentic grunge fan. Change your wm theme to win95 you are now a geek

>>109064733
Seems like you are defining "the current Internet" as essentially the top sites in which case you are right. I'm using the term to mean a global network of computers. And I disagree that what you describe still happens, it either feels like a ghost town or like I'm in some slum of Mogadishu with not much in between. All of that said, I'm interested in what you think about the nuts and bolts of the post you replied to.

>>109064077
They are turning it into tv where everything is negative or degenerate in someway. Advertisers like it this way. Adblock was more than just a convenient thing for you. It was a way to keep the internet free and open by telling them to get fucked

It’s called astroturfing

>>109064742
Why would anyone use a "local BBS"? BBS died for the same reason Discord killed IRC. Convenience siphons useds away and there aren't enough principled people to keep the momentum in one place. Ultimately all that matters is community and if there are only a few users left circlejerking the platform might as well be irrelevant unless those users are highly organized if only in a decentralized fashion. Gating access behind technical prowess for its own sake is just going to result in unused services with a few posters who have something to prove, like the zoomers who go to these Windows 95 themed sites thinking we cared about the shitty UI (it sucked) and not the actual community

>>109064077
Make your own website. Maintain it. Love it dearly. Make your own servers. Host servers for your friends. There do exist backwater forums that are active enough, at least in their associated IRC channels. You don’t have to be here. The oldfags are long gone.

>>109064797
>Why would anyone use a "local BBS"? BBS died for the same reason Discord killed IRC.
Oversaturation of the wider internet has killed it. A local BBS prevents some troll from a slum halfway across the planet from shitting all over the place.

If you had a local BBS that had high quality warez, information, books, and conversation in comparison to the rest of the internet, which is overwhelmingly AI slop, scammers, immature retards, and spyware/advertising, wouldn't you pay for it? The only reason such a thing doesn't exist yet is because there was no reason to invest time in creating it. But now a reason exists: the internet is completely hollowed out. Every motherfucker on the internet is trying to scam you; it's completely unusable.

The only thing left for the state of the internet is a schism. Intellectuals and people with money do not want to be around the lower castes. They do not want to see their opinions or share air with them. Restricting access to information and curating high quality data has always been an extremely profitable and popular activity. I think the free internet was just a temporary bubble that has popped.

You underestimate just how much people will pay to get away from the filth of this world. All modern luxuries are founded in the idea of getting the fuck away from people (private jets, private housing, cars, exclusive restaurants and hobbies, etc.). The minute someone actually cracks out to apply this model to the internet (and maintain the exclusivity and high quality content with their paid jannies) will be filthy rich.

>>109064841
You can make a little discord with what you describe, it will gain 20 users and die. There might be a demand for authenticity but I don't think your proposed solution amounts to anything other than yet another walled garden with added inconvenience. Scalability and accessibility matter and you can keep those bad actors out in other ways

>>109064841
I'd like to add, that mandatory ID verification will help enforce this schism. Once all your internet access is tied to a single lifetime token which you cannot bypass, websites can go fucking crazy with how they enforce their rules. A permaban can become, for the first time in history, permanent.

You can wall off the plebs and enforce it. Unless you're IRL successful, you'll be corralled in e-ghettos filled with teenagers, scammers, and AIs spamming slop and advertisements while the middle-upper class gets to enjoy their walled gardens.

Discord has already created a facsimile of this system that runs on gay 'e-clout' instead. A large amount of niche knowledge is locked behind discord communities you HAVE to integrate yourself into. It fucking sucks.

>>109064855
discords like these fail because the information they offer is not worth the effort, and because discord ultimately is not exclusive.

LUELinks ran on this model for ages and was largely successful (for what it was, imo), it only really died because the web owner stopped giving a fuck. But for a long time it was a damn good source of pirated software

>>109064077
4chan sits at the border between 2 key forces. The free internet led by X and heavily censored communist users from reddit controlled by Epstein and his friends as mods.

The choice of culture is yours to choose, whether you love the free internet or you love castrated communist ideology.

>>109064870
Original spirit is free exchange of knowledge with minimal regard for identity or worldly concerns and that is something which can be incentivized by a platform in the same way that moot intended with 4chan. How can we foster a culture of open information exchange? It will not be through local gating mechanisms or LARPing with outdated user interfaces.

>>109064913
>free Internet lead by X
Please never post again

>>109064942
There's no way to do it anymore. LLMs are good enough to flood any open community with an eternal tsunami of bullshit 24/7/365. Gatekeeping WILL happen because it's the only way to keep context and meaning from being drowned out by the endless grey goo hordes.

>>109064976
You can do gatekeeping using a constituonal system (good website rules) and hands-off community-based moderation. That's what facilitated the culture and user base which eventually made this site good.

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so how many of us are looking for a real solution and how many of us just want to complain about the problem eternally

>>109064982
Community-based moderation cannot work against an infinite swarm with endless time, anon. You can literally subvert and destroy any community online that doesn't gatekeep thanks to LLMs. It's what happened to twitter, reddit, 4chan, is now happening to youtube, etc.

>>109064988
It's cathartic to complain, but it also stimulates discussion. Most entries will be largely worthless but some will be valuable. This is the tech board so we should as a group be able to figure out how to create something. It only takes one or two industrious people to build something, especially with good information and ideas.

>>109064993
>now happening to YouTube
Did you miss the episode where they took down anything that wasn't a government approved opinion starting in 2017? Countless TBs gone forever. Subversion happens but I disagree with your perspectives on the mechanisms.

Let's put that aside - tell me: do you think a federated system would work? Key example which you may find relevant: home board A flags posts as mod-approved, and the mods are known to be pretty decent and share your attitude. As long as they do a good job, other members of the federation will continue to integrate with them, and their posts will appear on the overboard. In time this becomes a consistent contributor of higher quality posts to the overall system and it can't be subverted with a mere crapflood. Of course it would be subject to the biases of the mods but the decentralized, granular nature of the system means they are just a small part and can be safely removed if they go rogue.

>>109064951
>online than not, where do you go from here? I can't abide by
let the retard be, we need all the laughs, loves, and lives, we can get in these dark times

>>109064619
>the sophisticated man's creative playground.
This is for pedophiles, isn't it

FidoNet

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>>109064988
>>109064995
Still Cyberix for me.
>>109064619
>irc, xmpp, mumble, fucking SSH, webchat
>game servers including quake, openra and openrct
>anon posting
What else you all are looking for?
>>109065018
>Did you miss the episode where they took down anything that wasn't a government approved opinion starting in 2017?
There's a detailed thread about that and every other mainstream Internet website with it all meticulously pieced together too:
https://cy-x.net/pane/post/837

>>109064993
so mainchan is doomed, then?

>>109064077
I hate the way every fucking website pops up ten tonnes of shit.
Like at some point can I please just read thr god damn page?

>>109064988
In all honesty it doesn't seem like a solution is possible to me. It's like complaining about a heroin addiction and that "I wish it were just like the first time again, before all this fentanyl flooded the market".
It never will, when the internet was new every bit of content and experience was brand new as well, it doesn't matter if it was a dog-shit mspaint image of fox mccloud getting railed by falcon or a badly put together forum that breaks every weekend it was all enjoyable because it was fresh.
I think we've reached internet culture-death, all the experiences have been had, all the content has been seen, and all emotional vectors thoroughly exploited.
Naturally, in the place of culture-death capitalism blooms and all we're left with is adjacent wallmarts.
To have what we had is to not remember it and to not have experienced it.

>>109065088
I think it's the opposite and intentional corporate-government syndicalist takeover which has stifled culture for power and profit which go hand in hand. Low barrier to entry underpinned OG culture. This site only got subverted because moot sold out to hiroshimoot and the mods were replaced by people who aren't like us.

>>109064687
>>109064390
It should be inviting and show activity. On the surface at least it should seem open to anyone. It should have a unique aesthetic that stands out but not something that makes people think retro, even if they find the retro pleasing people have been conditioned to forget about it. Also don't be afraid to advertise on shitholes like Twitter and TikTok. There should be a diversity of perspectives. This will attract an audience that will hopefully get you over the network effect.
Weeding out low quality users is a separate issue that can be tackled with how the site is designed. A lot of you nerds forget that even though the internet was dominated by nerds it was still open to normies.
Those are my thought.

>>109065107
I agree with this. What are your thoughts on this post? >>>/pol/537151422

>>109065105
I do agree that a low-barrier of entry caused sentiment to change into appealing to the lowest-common-denominator (retards). Using the internet should have required answering three mid-tier iq test questions frankly.

>>109065133
I'm saying the opposite. Low quality people could contribute low quality posts and the important part was that they were evaluated on their merit like everyone else. No upvotes means you don't have to say what's popular. It was a thundersome of ideas. You can prevent retards from monopolizing the conversation with very simple mechanisms such as no upvotes, linear threaded discussions, simple rules such as no Twitter screenshot threads or repeat discussion of the latest TikTok meme. Then you just get a trusted circle of mods together who share a mindset and you let everything else come together naturally

>>109065149
Ah I see what you mean, the problem I find with bulletin board style websites is you can have a perfect forum but despite that it can easily grow nothing.
Lainchan is pretty good, the community is good at contributing and the threads are generally interesting but for the most part it's slow enough that I only bother to check it once a month.
It can also cause walled communities, I've tried to join a website before only to find that everyone who'd been there for a long time assembled into impenetrable groups.
How does the issue of adoption and sustaining contribution get solved?
I remember a couple of MyBB/PHPBB forums I used to go on which had an admittedly insane amount of discussions going through it on a daily basis but they're all but dead now.

>>109065216
This is something I'm not sure how to overcome. Sites without a certain momentum die. I think high quality "seeds" are fine. Maybe have a dedicated team of users reposting quality things from niche communities, bringing all of this info and data together in one place which could then spur further discussion. But that's not really scalable and depends on some passionate people being there from the beginning, whereas a good design only attracts those people through the law of large numbers and most users will generally be unproductive. What incentives can we offer to kickstart a new site and stop it from dying due to this feedback loop of inactivity?,

I would agree that the key question is 'usability vs gatekeeping'. we can assume that a) gatekeeping is or will be necessarry but also that b) usability will always come out on top. it is a dilemma if we accept the premise, that gatekeeping contradicts usability.
so, we have to accept, that gatekeeping is necessarry but impossible at the same time.
it was mentioned that digital ID could solve the problem. and in combination with a pseudo-anonymity (site owner knows who you are, users do not) it is at least thinkable. though it will exclude many people, who oppose digital ID generally. and these are the people I - briefly - want to hang out with.
but they are too few people. too few people to get the critical mass for a gatekeet community. ... at the end the problem existed for ages: it's the gelehrten gesellschaft which will never exist.

ddial.com

>>109065275
"Gatekeeping" doesn't mean you need pants on head retarded mechanisms like geofencing for very small local areas, it just means you need (for example) white-list posts (must be approved by mod team) and a few good guys to approve posts while they take their afternoon shit at the office. Then you plug that into a federation of sites running the same software with different gatekeeping systems and you disassociate with those other sites if their strategy produces garbage. Moderation is not hard, the problem is adoption like >>109065274
>>109065216
said.

Does anyone even use fediverse shit? It's like 5 guys and 3 of them are they/thems

>>109065296
moderation is not hard if your moderators are not retarded. good luck finding them.

>>109065317
I see 1 or 2 anons ITT and a few in another thread on this topic who sound like potentially decent mods for a project like this. Retention is a problem but not a major one. The main thing is user adoption. "If you build it they will come" used to be true but is it still? >>109065307

>>109065115
>unity of programmers and artists
Not sure what that entails as I see programming as something purely technical. Are they saying they want the site to have a built in painting app? Should the algorithm be driven by image content? Maybe I could see it as a secondary feature.
>google Justine Tunney
>Occupy Wallstreet
Ah, yeah that kind of does make sense. But I doubt the damage of what happened the following 5 or so years is reversible. Like I can't claim to know how the internet was at it's peak, many millenials are incapable of understanding the political dynamics of zoomers due to wokeness.
Politics would be a tough balancing act, but if done right the most divisive people (not to be confused with whatever is considered "extreme") would leave of their own accord.

>>109064077
I didn't read your post but I'm curious how you managed to make a 1mb file with such a poor quality?

>>109065397
I think they're saying the old net was built by creatives of varying skillets. Thwre wa some overlap between actual hackers and the guys photoshopping tits on cats, and this was non-trivial and contributed largely to what we enjoyed. It's a mindset and he is identifying commonalities between unlike individuals.

>>109064618
Kinda wild that leafy was ever popular

>>109064262
>>109064267
This is why the best forums I still visit are airplane forums like Beechtalk or Pilots of America. Absolutely top tier discussion that goes on in those places, even if some people are giga boomers. Its better than xitter screenshot rage bait spam.
There's still some car forums and stuff like that around with good discussion. I think trying to find one mega-forum is a mistake. Find the best forums for all your things you want to talk about, then use them. Don't try to be lazy and have "one forum" because you're never going to get the level of discussion you crave out of a place like that.

>>109065397
>>109065424
Also, "hacking" used to mean something much different, like a dude in his garage building tesla coils vibe. People who do that are not necessarily the most technically proficient and it's not always about only the technicals, although they naturally becomes part of it and it becomes a sort of art form on its own as it evolves. If yoi ever got into an actual hacking scene you have seen some insane shit like people leaving little calling cards on microsoft.com during a keynote speech ... not only technically impressive but a little flair

>>109065274
I used to own a forum which was semi-popular and it was made so pretty much as you've described it; because our group were software engineers we decided to post our software exclusively on the forum and enforce that a person had to be logged in to download it (which is how many of the most popular forums got their popularity around the same time).
I might be biased in this opinion but I think it's only possible to kickstart a forum by having content which nobody else has and which one must be a user of to see or use that content.
Once the initial barrier of signing up has been crossed it's easier for new users to start spawning new content because some counter-forces have already been removed by signing up and exploring (out of their own necessity in getting what they want/need).

An equally important thing which I did not find out about until after is that the worst thing you can do is have your forum divided from the start by creating many categories or subforums in anticipation. A forum is generally most successful when the conversation is concentrated in very few subforums/categories and new ones are only made purely when it becomes harmful to not subdivide. That way potency is concentrated instead of sparse and dilute.

>>109065457
This place didn't have that stuff, it just had turbo sperg anons who brought it back to the sperg village and had no-bullshit spergfest threads about it until the subject matter was worn down like a stone in the ocean and everyone who wasn't an idiot could see the truth underneath

>>109065442
>>109065457
This is why I like the idea of a federated system; quality boomer posters on ilovetrains dot fun don't even have to know or care that their posts are being shuffled in and integrated to the "trains" board on fediverse chan,

>>109065532
So,basicall Mastodon?
are there any actual good servers there, beside the known goon refugees?

>>109065566
That's basically what I'm wondering. Isn't Mastodon a Twitter/instagram/Tumblr clone? Do people even use it?

>>109064077

All of society is this way.
You can try to fight it and encourage boycotting things requiring apps or smart phones.

Unfortunately the smart phone going mainstream brought the internet to the entire world and the median iq or demand for privacy dropped like a rock when that happened.
The whole world using the same tech also resulted in corporations and government heavily motivated to using it for spying on everything.
Pre smart phone the tech community was smaller and more intelligent and resisted this. Now the iq level of the community is 30 less and so large the intelligent are drowned out by the masses and the elitists trying to control them.
So now computers, appliances, vehicles, and everything else using similar tech is shallow spy devices catering to monitoring and manipulating and selling products to the masses.
It is no longer the intelligent nerds' domain.

>>109065424
>>109065453
Oh! I understand. I agree.

>>109065514
I'd think 4chan to be the exception rather than the rule though, at the time of its inception it was the only website where you could do those things reliably which spawned thousands of IBs trying to capitalize on the same niche. I think 4chan survives now purely because of its history and its pedigree in being the first english IB to foster the attitude of 'post whatever'.
Your point about having a moderation team which shares your values is pretty salient, since they ultimately drive the culture by pruning cancerous attitudes, though you still need the traction and 4chan was simply lucky enough to be early.
That's the way I see it anyway.
Tangentially related but I find it quite funny now that often the only good discussions I see on 4chan are on topics outside of their main board, like the best conversation you can have on /co/ is in a thread on /v/ and vice versa.

>>109065582
I know lost of artists took refugee there, specially a lot of Japanese ones, but that particular server instance is turbo region locked
I've looked into it and I both dont understand how it works and the ones I found are not that active, or have hugbox moderation, which its not that bad to have but that tends to cause powertriping

>>109065652
>that particular server instance
Which one

>>109065678
I dont remember the name, kimikiss maybe,

>>109065694
Oh, I mean Mastodon in general. I literally never hear about that except here and I usually get the impression that thr poster is an aging transwoman.

>>109064951
Trannysaur

>>109065045
Quality thread you linked, very good read. What the fuck actually is this and why isn't it more popular? How are effortful posts incentivized?

>>109065718
Not everything boils down to some brain dead narrative about a culture war between the good billionaire worshippers and the evil troons. It sounds like you fell for entry level Jewish propaganda.

>>109065716
Mastodon entire point is that is basically twitter, but open source AND you can self host a instance/server, that Mastodon instance I mentioned was made by japs and its, so far as I know, impossible to see without a account in Japan and you cant use a VPN to sub or spoof the location

Its not like Baraag (grammar?), where you cant make an account without being an artist, BUT, you can still browse the feed, just cant interact, and the way Mastodon works, you can still sub/follow those accounts from another Mastodon instance/server, servers can cockblock other servers/countries, Barrag for example has France, Norway and Germany I believe completely blocked, but can be reached/seen via VPN

>>109064077
> All of the smart white nerds left and were replaced by third world users and bots
I was analyzing this shit post for obvious AI mistakes but I found out you’re just an idiot instead

>>109065777
How do they stop Japanese VPNs
>>109065794
angry brown nipples detected

>>109065758
>marxist slop
>denies they're not part of it
lmao

>>109064714
>We do not use Discord, Matrix, or any other centralized service for communication. We run IRC, XMPP, and Mumble servers. All three are bridged
How incredibly based of them.

>>109065274
>I think high quality "seeds" are fine. Maybe have a dedicated team of users reposting quality things from niche communities
Forums are precisely like a garden. You both have to seed and grow as well as remove weeds. If you just make a forum and say "go forth and discuss" it will be filled with low quality talk quickly, then abandoned as nobody finds discussion.
Like was said, Lainchan seems to do well because it has a tighter focus. I think being wide open for discussion, at least early on, is bad for a community. As they say, restrictions breed creativity. Even 4chan started with mostly a focus on anime (and that in the earlier age when getting anime in North America was a lot more arduous).
So in this manner, I think its a mistake to just create a forum or site and say "discuss". You have to curate a cool place at first, only after you have that strong community can you add topics outside the focus.

>>109066049
>denies they're not
retard

>>109066238
reddit troon malding

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Take the Gemini-pill. bbs.geminispace.org is pretty good. Also I've used Aurasearch and CAPCOM to find some cool random Gemspaces.
The best way to move forward is to ditch www and http. Retvrn to simpler protocols that inherently discourage slop and engagement farming.

>>109065652
I slopcoded a scrapper to slurp specific tags off of Mastadon (mostly from ones that connect to Baraag) for my goon collection. Its given me all the content without all the scrolling and searching.

>>109065636
>Tangentially related but I find it quite funny now that often the only good discussions I see on 4chan are on topics outside of their main board, like the best conversation you can have on /co/ is in a thread on /v/ and vice versa
Yeah, seasoned posters know this phenomenon. I think its because topics are beaten to death on their mother boards, but when they find themselves on unrelated boards they get fresher perspectives.

>>109065045
>https://cy-x.net/pane/post/837
Good read, thanks for posting

>>109066265
You sound stuck in 2016. Tumblr died dude and 1/10 zoomer chicks are "nonbinary"

>>109066482
You sound like a reddit commie tranny

>>109066327
It's called vibe coding

>>109066494
I will admit I wove it in with my other slopcoded project pretty well (a sort of local booru style image viewer that organizes images based on tags). When I slurp the tagged posts I also generate the metadata for keeping those tags for sorting purposes. That way I can shove them into the booru and goon based on selecting the tags I want to see. I even have a fap-roulette button that randomizes the current set of images and starts a slideshow (with customizable timer for changing images).