I've been on the Internet since around 1997 and on 4chan since about '05. It was always a sort of wild west of largely unregulated information exchange where individuals had a lot of power and freedom.This site and the broader Web has always been "dying". I myself am part of the Eternal September wave. From my perspective, though, the entire 'net has truly been dying (for real this time) since around 2018. Into the late 2010's, things felt worse but they were still sort of in the spirit of the old Internet. You had crypto finally kicking off in a big way, "dark" and "deep web" tech and networks in use by the general public, decentralization and the fediverse coming into existence and so on.But on what is now the Corporate Web, 4chan no longer creates culture; this site is just a dumping ground for digital waste from "X" and TikTok. All of the smart white nerds left and were replaced by third world users and bots and creepy little "teenagers" (people aged 12 to 24) who will dox and name and shame you for having opinions that deviate even slightly from whatever is currently fashionable in meatspace. Everything else requires a phone number to use, or an email service which probably requires a phone number, and all of it is tied together with cookies and Javascript and device fingerprinting and everything else. The writing is also on the wall for digital ID and CBDC.If you've been using the Internet since the early days and have spent more time online than not, where do you go from here? I can't abide by this shit.
Learn to summarise
darknet, people think it's just drugs and nasty stuff. but there is legit discussion with 0 censorship. find it on your own.
>>537142114WWW:666
>>537142195Press the button on your black rectangle for idiots that makes grok read it for you and TTS a one liner, newfag
>>537142114>where do you go from here?the luddite farm
>>537142388Smart people can summarise. You can't. So you have nothing useful to say to me.
>>537142507Tech is getting dumbed down and degraded, you're not some kind of forward-thinking visionary doomscrolling Instagram, buying Roblox skins and gossiping about ecelebs and bringing that behavior here
>>537142667Not my problem you can't read 200 words. Keep bumping the thread
>>537142114Containment for edginess on the chans has broken and spilled into normie, jeet, and retard filled ig and twitter anon. Ofcourse there are darknet places to talk like gameruprising, but thats not far reaching enough due being off the normie internet
>>537142195Wew lad>>537142667Lmao
>>537142114https://privacyspreadsheet.com/messaging-apps
>>537142114INFORMATION BLOBShttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13gNcyzC7QvfTbXcVSqorj1pZmFb-csP6google drive easy to use interface...4chan is an international internet distribution platform and this is very useful
>>537142114smart nerds make money nowdiscord lets anyone have their own private chat channeldiscord basically lets any retard make 4chanplenty of communication outlets exist4chan is not needed muchbesides allowing you to scream NIGGER this site doesnt have much going for it
>>537142979and let’s be real you can just scream that irl too
>>537142233a fellow mmbn enjoyer
>>537142114>>537142827>>537142907>>537142979If you don't join here immediately you're just clown who only complains but never contributeHowever, the answer is 4chan withdrawal prevention center, formerly known as the psyops sommelier society. Certified & Designated by the Anons' Pattern Recognition Lab, Est. 2026. If you're getting tired of talking to same-shit-spam agitprop algo bots, you should just start building your own breakaway communities or if cba you can join my SX chat :https://smp17.simplex.im/g#cM4KI1_rV4wtq3NywfJodpj4I_IRvuuhnqQy4ATe6Cg If short linke doesn't work : full-link picrel. Desktop use recommended : https://simplex.chat/downloads/ >Inb4 : “muh you glow”No you demoralization shill. It’s only going to get worse if you didn't know already. If you want actual coherent exchange of discussion - talk about conspiracy theories, history & geopolitics, esoteric metaphysics, high-finance, 'insider here' posts and some banters and shitpost memes allowed, places like here and img boards are no longer an isolated layer where we can laugh at normiefags. We're not watching them. We are being watched. Discord & Telegram are namefag apps and privacy nightmare. SimepleX has incognito mode, multi-profile mode that doens't require your phone number needed to join. Beware : this chat is post-populist : that means you agree to disagee-it was normal for people to have different opinion. Idpol is welcomed, but you can still joke. This is not advertisement. It's for people who would already be complaining about the board constantly so here I'm making your job easier jannies. Ad is for randoms just browsing by.
>>537142114A second internet is being created. Jews can have this one. It will be a dustbin of slop.
>>537142979Difference is those are glorified group chats on a dedicated spying network where the staff are actively reading your messages as part of "moderation". This is more of a public forum where people who wouldn't want to be in a group chat with each other can discuss, debate etc
>>537143173Never heard of this but how is it better than Matrix
>>537142114Been on the Net since 1994 and was super excited when we got a v.90 56k modem the following year. We paid $20 /month for Unlimited Dial-Up from Quicken. Nowhere to go now...
>>537142114>and have spent more time online than notTouch grass nigger
I agree with most of that but frankly the CBDC idea is good.It would allow us to cut the banks and card companies out of the payment chain and have currency loaded on a device that you could use to pay even if the internet was down.No more bank or visa fees, no more having to wait for transactions to happen on some server in London. Just charge your phone with digital currency from your account then pay wherever you want without calling your bank anymore.
>>537143551https://forum.hackliberty.org/t/why-we-abandoned-matrix-the-dark-truth-about-user-security-and-safety/224/
>>537142114ICQKazaaalso working google search
>>537142114Go outside and join a gym or get a job desu it's better than being tracked and advertised to.
>>537142114Niche sites with low user count. Although they are being spammed with current things too.
You haven't lived until you needed AOL or Prodigy just to access the world wide web.
>>537142907I already know all this, do you have the one for the jews
>>537142979I can post on discord without making an account?
>>537142114>claims oldfag>stolen honor>mother dies in sleep
>>537143767Thanks, but who thought to call this shit "Simplex"? Will it give me herpes? I'll read your link but I remain skeptical.
>>537142114I'm working to fix this problem. Development work is progressing. Watch this space.
>>537144116kinda, use any throw away emailprotonmailgmailor get a VPS and make your own email use for throw away or whateverits really easy to make your own email / your own vpn
>>537142195The author, a longtime internet user, argues that the internet has been losing its original culture of freedom, anonymity, and decentralization, especially since around 2018. They believe major platforms have become corporate-controlled, surveillance-heavy, and dominated by bots, trends, and social policing rather than independent communities. Feeling alienated by these changes, they ask where people who valued the old internet can go next.
>>537144205>No, you can not post on Discord without making an accountOK, thanks for answering my question new faggot
Keewee farms is pretty similar to here and an old school forum
>>537142114> CBDCThere won't be CBDC. Such a thing would make private banks redundant. As such would never be allowed. Also this whole CBDC is dumb anyway. They can crush your freedoms without making any changes to the existing banking system.
>>537144279I can post on Kiwi without making an account?
>>537144116>>537144205The problem is that discord is explicitly anti-user and newfags don't even know what that means or care to learn, just use loopholes to exist like a worm on the dirt floor of the corporate human farm that is the modern Internet
>>537144265bb-but you dont know how to make your own email or your own vpnyou could be paying as low as 2-4$ a month and literally host your own email and vpnsilly baka
>>537144334I can post on discord without creating an account?
>>537144295CBDC is partly a counter to decentralized currencies, it probably already exists and there is more and more legislation about this every month
>>537144313No you need to use an email and username you don't use anywhere else to prevent docks eng as well
>>537144157I have no idea. But chats are the solution for now in this low trust society at least for a few years for now. You cannot have coherent discussions like this. I just liked your OP and nu/pol/ will just derail it
>>537144249The user is a fed and should go fuck himselfPost
Even pol couldnt escape white fliteTurd worlders own pol now lol
>>537144398also 4chan is tracking your 'account' pretty hardthey track yourIP to every single post your makeCookies to every single post you make>IP changes>browser cookies stay the same>4chan keeps tracking youwhy do you care about 'accounts' so much?
Anytime some new faggot retarded nigger says "X is just like 4chan and imageboards, everyone moved to X!"I reply with "I can post there without an account" and they have to jump through 12,000 hoops to justify why being forced to create an account is OK and acceptable.
>>537144541That stuff can be mitigated and you can blend into the crowd of generic users. You can't do that with an account system. Very simple.
>>537144543They don't even know why Internet liberty matters. They don't know what FSF or who Stallman is. Plato's Cave shit with these newfags. And the recent crop don't even want to learn because youth culture is to actively reject and denigrate whatever you don't understand, they literally enforce the ignorance and spread it on behalf of their owners
>>537144705Gen Z are completely tech illiterate anonThey don't know what a torrent file isThey can't even comprehend file structureNo joke, Gen Z and Gen A dump all of their files into a single directory and simply use the "search" function on their phone or laptop to locate the file they are looking for, they don't own a PC, they couldn't build a PC even if they wanted to.
>>537144705i mean all people with a brain do their own thing, like make your own platform and make money thereanything else gives you no control4chan is mostly retards with little sprinkle of brilliance and some unfiltered opinionssame reason why not many alternatives to 4chan existpick yours> reddit (top normie opinion, throw away accounts used for extra sensitive topics) > 4chan (unfiltered nigger spam with pinch of shizo salt)> Xitter (if 4chan and reddit had a baby and it was retarded)at the end of the day if you have no controlmake your own business/platform/something you control, if people like it, you get traffic & moneyeverybody wins, use whatever you like the mostits okay to use them all a little
>>537144920whats a file structure
>>537145112>4chan is mostly retards with little sprinkle of brilliance and some unfiltered opinionsIt was always like that, but the "retards" used to be like 105 IQ type people who cared about nerdy shit for its own sake because that was really their personality, now it's like I'm on the NYC subway surrounded by street performers and walking past digital homeless people
>>537145112Not how it works and you know itCoalfax is the perfect example of something that had demand and an anon answered that demand. The site was immediately taken down by the feds.
>>537145353The reason is South Asia anonSouth Asia skipped plumbing, landlines, and sanitation and instead chose to give their entire population of several billion access to the internet via cellular towers. This all happened very quickly in the span of less than a decade.
>>537142114Space cadet, simcity 2000 and doom. I want to go back https://wsw.youtube.com/watch?v=HpEBUV_g9vU
>>537145262A series of folders.
Notes and Other Stuff over Relays (NOSTR)This is a decentralised protocol that lets you build and use apps anonymously.There are imageboard apps, chat apps, voice apps and video streaming apps that use this protocol.There are even actual Nazis on Nostr and nobody can silence them.https://nostrapps.com/
>>537142114Want some advice? Datahoard everything you possibly can onto the most secure and long lasting savings devices you can get your hands on. Do this until they shut the free internet down or ban everything, which is coming very soon. Once they do that, then you can begin printing out all of your data onto hard, tangible recordings, like onto paper for example. Or onto vinyl records or onto film IDK. Do whatever you can because they are going to shut down free sale of hardware too, and eventually the only stuff you will have will bge tyhe physical media you managed to print out.
>>537142232Why doesn’t 4chan talk about it anymore? There’s like zero mlentions of it nowadays beyond a random fed telling you it’s gone (it’s obviously not)
>>537145353prollynow they grew uprealized time is finitestarted making moneythat involves doing things outside of 4chanonce you make money why post on 4chanso they keep making moneyzoomers have little need for 4chanpool of smarter humans goes down on 4channow 4chan has less old cats and more zoomerszoomers too young to do shitthose who already make cash have no need to use 4chanai is literally doing better than zoomersdont expect much from zoomerszoomers have to compete with millennial chads/epstein/presidents for girls their age, they are buck broken>>537145402no idea what coalfax is>>537145595i just dump everything into 1 folder and sort it later if it needs to go somewheredo you have a nice folder for frogs?
>>537145807beep boop
>>537145757Dark net, dark web, deep web, all just marketing terms created for articles targeting normalfags and casual users. Deep web in particular never meant anything and was used to refer to old forums some guy was hosting on his home server or arguably closed groups of people in private FTP rings and stuff like that. Dark net was just branding for Tor. None of this means anything and just distracted from the discussion desu. Probably these things have lost steam because new users aren't seeking them out for anything other than novelty because they heard about them in some spooky "Internet iceberg video essay"
>>537142114I got my own net account in October of 1996, got on 4chan when YTMND sites starting referencing the 7chan "dancing loli" in late 2006. You are right though, the internet now is a piss hole compared to what it was then. Random forums about random games, thousands of people chatting nonstop, I could go on IRC and my own dinky little channel would have a dozen people in it, and the Sailor Moon channel I was an OP in had thousands. No bots, no fakes, just people. Crazy people, sure, but people.I used to tell people the worst thing that could happen to the net was if people found a way to make money off of it. Sure enough, they did. I blame Amazon, Facebook, and when google bought youtube in 2008. Man, i had my first youtube channel in 2006 and back then you could find porn, full anime episodes (at 10 minutes each) and nude modes for Mugen bouncing around and getting fucked and no one cared.I want a new internet, but such a thing will never happen. Eternal September is real, and we're living in it.
>>537146436But where did the people go? feels like everything is dead in terms of finding niche communities and discussion.
>>537146436I've been looking into smolnet and federated systems but these seem a little strange to me. Smolnet is cool but very static and lacking in liveness, and the fediverse is full of people who were furries back in 2008
>>537142195The passage argues that the internet—once a decentralized, freewheeling space for independent culture and anonymous expression—has, in the author's view, declined into a heavily monitored, corporate-controlled ecosystem dominated by social media, conformity pressures, bots, and identity tracking, leaving longtime users feeling alienated and unsure where to go next.
>>537146583Walled gardens.
>>537146583I find it hard to believe that all of the people who I once recognized as peers just logged off because they got careers. There were a lot of lifers here. I'm talking about original /g/ users for example, not just election tourists from 2016
>>537142114A lot of what happens on this website is akin to taking a shit.
>>537146583Zoomers and alphas don't give a shit about the internet outside of social media. Everyone else is a dying breed.
>>537142195It's funny because he actually posted a summary. 140 character summaries are not summaries they are distilled garbage for goyim
>>537146932Pic related process repeated itself over and over until there was no space left to destroy.
>>537142114it's never going back with the amount of india's unless you build your own
>>537146991Site peaked and died very quickly around 2016-2018, I am an oldfag that comes on here on occasion out of pure curiosity. A lot of posters and the shit on here is wacked out.
>>537142195this. i'm not reading all your blog diarrhea. who the fuck does OP think he is? Stephen King? fuck off.
>>537142114Honestly pajeets have ruined the internet
>>537146583I dunno, I have friends I met back in the 90s online who I'm still friends with. We're all pushing 50 (or in our 50s) and we wonder the same thing. I think a lot of people like us started clumping together in small groups because our usual haunts disappeared.Like we used to all team up on Xfire, which was Steam before Steam existed. Or we chatted on our old youtube profiles back when youtube pages for users had gigantic message boards you could fuck around in. IRC started dying in the early 2000s and when social media took off in the mid 2000s, it killed all these tiny forums we used to gather on (Dragonplay Tavern, Andel Crodo's Fashion Gallery, TES Gurus, Above Top Secret, etc etc etc) and we sort of just fled to Discord chat windows or Steam groups because we determined Facebook was gay.I haven't met a new "online friend" since about 2008 when I met someone on Gamespot's old message forums. Me and my friends go on fan servers for old MMOs and you barely see anyone. You try to relive that past, but the old heads I think are all gone or clumped together somewhere private. It's truly a potemkin village.>>537146605If someone makes a new internet, even if I have to pay for it to keep it exclusive and free of bots, I'd do it. but I can't imagine the government allowing it to exist. The Dark Net is full of feds just the same as this place.
>>537147174why are you crying like a little faggot
>>537147257not reading any of that either. holy fuck guys go buy a diary or something
>>537147174Definitely that was when it "died" but the peak was probably 06 to 14 or 15, with a lot of highlights up to 18 or 19, then just pure rot. Signal to noise ratio is now FUCKED.
>>537147271Niggers tongue my anus.
>>537146583they're not on /pol/they frequent other boards. ffs newfags act like /b/ and now /pol/ represents all of 4chan
>>537142667>smart people can summarizeThen summarize it
>>537142114YyyYyyYOOOooo... blap blap blap BLAP...Go outside, nigger. Maybe it's a good thing that I'm killing the internet? Perhaps spend some time outdoors exercising your legs, dweeb.
>>537142114>where do you go from here?no idea at all my mani am so terrified of the future
>>537147316Wait, yeah bro, why are you crying like a little faggot >>537147271Are there bots on this site now? Is that a thing here? I thought it was just reddit and twitter that actively did it.
>>537142195That's a very short summarize of the situation nigger, bet you can't even handle a book
>>537147257It has to exist as a parallel layer alongside or on top of the Web. Even if they give us digital IDs, a closed system can still mitigate that on most levels except for nation state level threat actors and COU backdoor and all of that which has existed for decades now. Even if it's not about privacy or liberty and is instead purely about community, that can still work well. But I don't know how to attract the right type of person. What incentives do old school users want or need to congregate in one place? Low friction posts? Lack of accounts? Sane policies with largely hands-off moderation by members of the community who embody the site's values? What's the opposite of paying people to post? How do we get the hacker types who were doing all of this just for fun out of some modern day digital frontier spirit?
>>537147449What a wonderful and inspiring post.
[spoiler] get into shortwave they are heavily censoring the internet in the coming years [spoiler]
>>537142232>there is legit discussion with 0 censorshipYes between 2 users who take two months between answer
>>537147399Elaborate because most of the boards just shitpost insanity and engage in the same paltry discourse. Perhaps it’s just us, at the end of the day, not the website.
>>537142114>where do you go from here?You embrace the fact that the internet was designed to trap us from the beginning.>WORLD WIDE WEBAre you seriously that dense?This is a key element of the Great Delusion which is almost complete and will be when the Antichrist steps into the spotlight to 'save' everyone.If you still haven't figured out this is the end stage of a multi-millenial spiritual war, I really don't know how to bridge that gap for you.
>>537147082Seems to be the thing to push literally everyone into social media monoculture, even this website. It's just a shame the monoculture is completely contrived.
>>537146583>>537146932this, essentiallyI use a couple discordsmore tech-savvy and e-networked anons might have something bigger and better, but I wouldnt know
>>537147656The people make the place
>>537142114>where do you go from here?I'm not posting it.Seek and yea shall find.
>>537147598>What incentives do old school users want or need to congregate in one place?IMO? To meet real people and have real conversations again. You see it here, don't you? Post something longer than 3 sentences and you are called a fag. Use a carriage return? Reddit spacing. You have folks who just want to fight, troll, or are government shills spreading FUD. Some real conversations would be nice for a change. You used to see a post on ATS go to 50 pages of replies in a day, now you can literally go anywhere, and hardly see any real interaction. Except on youtube videos by government-sponsored shit rags like Asmon, Mr Beast or whomever, who gets 50K messages a minute. There's no in-between. >How do we get the hacker types who were doing all of this just for fun out of some modern day digital frontier spirit?You'd have to find like-minded folks and get them to spread it. They are too spread out, insular, and have given up. Find a few and get the word out, then hope they tell others, and so on and so forth.
>>537146583>>537146932>>537147946Do you think a federated imageboard (one client which could be hosted locally or on a central server with other "home servers" that all share and intrgrate posts into one main "site") would interest people like us? Basically 4chan but decentralized and if one of them turns into zoomerchan or fedchan they can be ignored by the main federation. Kind of like if a bunch of altchans shared posts except with problematic altchans.
>>537148139Your criticisms seem valid to me. I'm just wondering if there is an actionable solution. I think part of what you describe is an illusion brought on by the sheer magnitude of new users engaging with those corporate platforms. Guys like us still exist, we didn't disappear or just go touch grass and log off forever.
>>537143775>ICQI remember it had a feature where you could chat with random people from around the world. So much fun flirting with random girls and no chance that they'd ask for a photo of my ugly ass face. Good times.
>>537148167I think its an uphill battle against a very motivated and endlessly funded jewish hate machinethings will continue to get worse for all of us until we finally get off our asses and kill the jewsa private walled garden is your only real option right now, I think
>>537148305ICQ was a dating platform. I met a few women off of there, but we did swap pics. I had betetr luck on IRC in the 90s though. Met two cute alternative chicks about a half an hour away and me and my buddy used to go on double dates with them. We were friends for years, until we all got married to different people and drifted apart. Early craigslist was good too, before 2012 when that guy slashed up that girl from there. Met a lot of women there, but most were married, or what you could call "Femcels".
>>537142114Old man whining with no valuable info.I am in the same boat, BTW, it's just I'm not whining.Every frontier, Internet is no exception, with time loses the amount of freedom it once had. Duh!
>>537148322I like the idea of a decentralized platform which bridges these walled gardens, the goal of which is just to foster old Internet values. I don't think this is something that can be accomplished with active measures which require resources, but rather incentives and low or no marginal cost for propagation. Og guys literally did it for free and that was a huge part of old Internet ethos. Picture the Scene where it was mostly about reputation and digital "street cred" for being the first group to leak major software.
>>537148548>calls valid criticism/conversation starter "whining">proceeds to demoralize, there is no hope abandon ship failure is inevitableBot or meat bot
Internet used to be just americans and west europeans with some slavs sprinkled in (high iq rich white people), now its just shitskins and retards posting shit from their 100 dollar smartphone, plus the evil governments. Its over
>>537142114I know what you mean anon. Nothing feels right anymore online. Where did all the optimism go? It was supposed to be an online encyclopedia with a wealth of knowledge and intrigue. Now it's all gone and replaced with slop content. Nothing feels organic anymore. I miss the nerds.
>>537148167Something like this already exists. The webring.
>>537148933Webring is a general term for a network of sites that link to each other canonically. There isn't one webring but many and most of them are long dead. Are you referring to something else?
>>537149043I referring to a specific one that's referred to as "the" webring. look up allchan.
>>537142114lol me tooi still have the AOL email i made in 2001, 25 years agothis was around the same time my dad also got the internet>parents were divorcedso I'm visiting my dad on the weekend, and he literally JUST finished setting up his new computer and connecting it t o the internet with his friend's helpso he's like "hey! check it out!" and i sit down and im like checking things out, clicking on icons, looking for games - then my dad was like>now don't go looking up any of those "adult websites" ok?>*promptly leaves the room with his friend*>*wait five minutes*>*start typing in the search bar of that old search engine Magellan*>a-d-u-l-t w-e-b-s-i-t-e-s
I've been online since age 6, which would've been some time in 1995. I found 4chan in 2005 as well. I mostly agree with everything you've said, but I've come to accept that anonymity is non-existent. I have have nothing to hide. I'm not ashamed of anything about myself. I grew out of caring about anonymity. There are plenty of alt chans that exist if you care about quality. My focus is on making things that harken back to the spirit of the early internet and media in general.
>>537149218If I'm not mistaken that is not federated, it's just an iframe/collection of links. Federated sites with modern models actually integrate with one another using a shared protocol. It feels like you're using one website or service
>>537149620I too am ok with just pseudonymity and I don't feel I personally "need" true anonymity although I do value it on principle to mitigate the potentially undesirable influence of powerful people and organizations. This site wasn't created for anonymity but pseudonymity, so that we could have discussions which didn't devolve into clique behavior, cults of personality, social hierarchies or unchecked moralfagging. Fostering that original spirit must be possible, unless it was a product of the times and everyone who had it is just too old to care. I'm undecided on that. What do you think about >>537147598
>>537142114The Age of Shitposting is coming to an end anons.We lived through the age of opportunity, a type of golden shitposting age if you will.In no previous time period could a man shitpost with such fervor and with such great ease.In the east communism kept people in strict order and behind an invisible firewall. Climbing up the hierarchy truly did require exception shitposting skills especially social ones. The communist block would see a brief glimpse of opportunity for 2 generations, yet it would also be plagued by western elites abusing the falling system for their gains.In the south the african ways have never changed. Shitposting is shunned and crushed by a violent R-selected collective. Reproduce fast, die young, even if external factors don't demand it their genes will drive them to idiocy.In the islamic world a more orderly violence remains but shitposting is still mostly hereditary or limited to truly exceptional individuals.In the far east with rare exceptions the asian blood demands obedience and limited creativity so shitposting is rare there. Perhaps Japan could be considered an exception but not for long. All of these people have some sort of reason to claim the conditions brought them down.But you, who lived in the West, you can truly say "we experienced an unprecedented age of freedom of expression and shitposting opportunities"That time is coming to an end. Years of shitposting recession are coming. Some say years of high austere measures will come with them, others claim a total clamp down on shitposting and non-approved speech due to the upcoming digital ID and surveillance bills. Either way there will be less opportunity to shitpost, all major platforms will be hit, censorship will rise, information of everything that was in abundance before will be limited if available at all. There will be less venues to shitpost and some anonymous venues like these (4chud), now deemed the pinnacle of shitposting, will become obsolete.
>>537142114Outside.Let them strangle their golden goose if they so desire, it's easier to recreate it than to prevent the powerful morons from learning their lesson the hard way.
>>537149673I don't think it is, but that's the closest thing to what you were asking about. It does have overboards so it has the appearance of a bunch of boards on one site even though they are hosted separately. Not exactly what you're talking about, but again, closest thing I'm aware of.
>>537142114Were you even a BBS Sysop? Faggot…
>>537150358I'm not here to act like guys in a nursing home talking shit about who was cooler during their glory days 50 years ago, I want to determine if it's possible to keep the party going in spite of this clown world
>>537150208>>537149673I should specify that I meant you actually can pull up board lists and boards from different sites on the ring show up with info for each like pph and lastest activity. zzz is like this. I think at least one site allows you to see threads from other sites.
I`ve been stuck online since 94 as it was absolutely phenomenal even though it cost a fucking fortune to be online back thenI think i paid a lot even in late 03 when i found TPB and started to torrent, though i may remember wrongI actually think it started to die with 2.0 which led to a lot more user generated content, some fun and a lot of junk > social networks > more traffic > more junk, a bit of fun and of course more social networks> video and live streaming > a fuckload more fun, junk and traffic > a massive cardiac arrest in 08 > cardiopulmonary resuscitation in the years after as kikes are still pillaging the corpse of a golden goose and refuse to stop
Are there even any more places like 4chan left, messageboards without AIDS?
>>537142114Faggot normies getting fucked in the ass realtime blame internet like if we were in the 90s
>>537147257>If someone makes a new internet, even if I have to pay for it to keep it exclusive and free of bots, I'd do it.Not sure if picrel is similar to what you were thinking of but my understanding of it is that you spend a small amount of shitcoin to post and any heavy action by shills/bots would be impractical due to poor cost-benefit.
>>537150538That's a little like what I'm describing in principle but not in practice. Matrix is like Discord but instead of "servers" which are actually just user channels hosted by the central Discord company, there are actual servers which join or leave the federation on a voluntary basis. Your example wouldn't fill this function because it's just a bunch of dead sites with a main page full of links basically. This would be more like just using 4chan but the "main site" (largest federation) can choose to ignore the undesirable servers so their posts don't get included.
>>537149862Do you know who Justine Tunney is? She, formerly he, created Rampage Toolz, which was a famous prog for AOL. I used it incessantly as a kid to troll chatrooms. She's still quite actively creating things. I was a surface-level user of most early technology. My background is fundamentally artistic. I've been part of the digital arts community since the earliest days of Deviant Art and java applets like Shi-Painter. The spirit of the old days is creativity, which is what's actually being lost. That's what I have in common with other terminally online autists or hackers. Or at least, that's what I used to have in common. Coders/programmers are largely responsible for creating the divide that is destroying the internet thanks to AI. The old internet was at its peak when artists and programmers were united. These coalitions still exist, but they're undervalued due to politics.I could go on and on about this, but it will just get more and more abstract and philosophical. I'm an intuitive person, not a programmer or a mathematician.
>>537150979I like the idea of incentives-based system like this where you literally lose some bond if your post is bad, but I think these extra steps means it'll only attract die hard digital currency users. Part of the selling point of og Internet was (once you had a connection) it was free range without too many arbitrary limits and you could submit your ideas which would then necessarily be judged on their merit or not at all. Subscription based sites like My Posting Career tried this with different technicals and they are now dead/ignored or have the same 3 guys circlejerking
>>537151422You have the right idea I think. Would you use a site like >>537148167
>>537144416China already uses a CBDC. And it was Goldman Sachs or some other banker network shit that was involved with that. I sometimes think the CCP took a deal to be a pilot test for the global reset.
>>537151640Yeah. Well point is that is decided already. Now how do we get the right people in one place instead of in corporate controlled group chats of 3-10 people? How do we foster a culture of information exchange and weed out those who would import this digital industrial waste?
>>537151422Also why did so many hackers transition? How did someone psyop all of these smart guys into chopping off their dicks
>>537142114You're not noticing evolution and the stupidity of tyranny.Like uh, Globalists made it harder to have a factory. They think they won. But technology made everything smaller, you can fit a factory in your garage. Who won in the end?That's the same with the internet. You listen to them to tell you what's valuable and who isn't, well, they'll end up leading you off a cliff. Follow yourself, your God soul, you never know what surprises are in store.
>>537151422>The old internet was at its peak when artists and programmers were united.There's a group trying to rekindle just that.https://files.catbox.moe/5xq1vo.pdf
>>537152840A factory in your garage, what? Are lathes cheaper?
>>537152919Are they LARPing about old user interfaces like "goth girls" on Instagram? I'm not clicking a PDF link lmao.
>>537153000They're oldguard posters like you.https://archive.org/details/miladychan-master-plan/page/n11/mode/2up
>>537153315>>537152919See >>>/g/109065045
>>537142388>>537142195
>>537142507Private, local, offline Minecraft servers
>>537153391I think this might be it for our species
>>537153518Fuck off agent Smith, we're talking about creating cool websites
>>537142114for me, it's cyberix>irc, xmpp, mumble, fucking SSH, webchat>game servers including quake, openra and openrct>anon postingWhat else you all are looking for?
the internet has sucked for awhile. phone access giving it access 24/7 was a mistake and the internet conforming mainly to phone use is why it was able to conform so strongly. Im writing this from my phone- its a mistake. Every single human being is addicted to the internet for less then 20 years and we already see it all falling apart.
>>537153641Post a link and some informational material faggot
>>537153642This is a great point. Perhaps in a federated system, most homesites can reject mobile posters by default.
>>537142114>I've been on the Internet since around 1997 and on 4chan since about '05.Ok newfag.
>>537153714SIR YES SIRhttps://cy-x.net/pane/post/770>The first is the state of the internet as it exists now. Most platforms are built to extract attention and money from their users, not to facilitate anything of lasting value. The content produced on them reflects this. It is shallow, repetitive, and produced to satisfy algorithms rather than people. There is no real reward for quality or depth.>The second frustration is more specific. There has been a wave of communities and projects framing themselves as revivals of some better, earlier era of the internet. Most of them are costume parties. They try to replicate the visual style of old websites, old forums and old imageboards without understanding what made those places worth anything. The value was never in the aesthetics. Rather, it was in the people who were genuinely building things, writing things, and thinking through problems in public. Those people were REAL HUMANS who existed and put in real effort. That effort is what produced the culture being imitated. The imitation drops the effort and keeps only the look.works on ie6
>>537142114>larpInternet died in 98 with Google/CIA. Eternal September is a 93 psyop slang by Usenet/CIA. Internet was the funnier between 93 and 98.
The dot com bubble was a blessing. Laid tons of infrastructure then burst leaving things super accessible, dirt cheap, and largely scaring away gubby investor hands for awhile so the passionate and interested were running the show. I hope the ai bubble burst too. That's whats going to drive things forwards there, many many eyes and hands getting access to cheap hardware and compute and getting to experiment. Voids like that are where innovation really thrives. Maybe of we're really lucky companies will get scared off a bit when it comes to the web too and we'll get another period of honest to god user driven creativity, communication, and collaboration.
>>537151588If you're essentially proposing a fedi-han, then yes, I think it could work, and it seems like this concept would be a logical progression of chan-style sites. The caveat is barrier to entry. That aside, this does solve for creating a high quality collective. I would expect the most successful federations to be internally democratically governed. >>537152494It's not a psyop. There's a natural desire to metamorphose in a lot of ND minds.>>537152919This is really beautiful. I'll sink some time into absorbing all of this. Thanks for sharing.
>>537153386>>537153641I'll have a look, and for anyone with some intellectual curiosity I strongly recommend to read Remilia Quarterly here>>537152919Yes it's a spooky pdf file but it's just a publication which discusses exactly what you're all talking about here. I'm currently creating art for them since I believe in post authorship and none of the "OC do not steal" faggotry.
>>537153882High quality post
>>5371421142012 with phone fags and social media becoming normalized was when internet became really shit to use. Profit incentives from companies further ruined it. The worst kind of people that would've been lolcows 20 years ago are the most prominent ''social media'' voices. Why do normies flock to retards so much?
>>537153891Yes, something like a fedi-chan. I don't think internal democracy would work, but since it's federated that's not too critical. I envision a simple ring of trust mod staff based on a benevolent dictator like moot for my homeserver. Then federate with a smaller homeserver which disallow mobile client posting. Tag posts according to homeserver like flags on 4chan so you can discern someone's homesever optionally? I'm not sure if that is pertinent to end users in a productive way or if it would just recreate the cancerous flag system here.
>>537149918The age of shit posting does indeed seem to be closing, AI slop is an endless ever growing torrent of shit, but I have no clue where to go.
>>537142114>where do you go from here?I'm dying with the old internet. The moment I need to show an ID anywhere, I will refuse to use that site. As more and more sites require ID, I'll abandon those sites, until I abandon the new internet and die with the old one. I'll be happy to die with the old internet. I couldn't go with better company.
A decentralized anonymous discord would be nice, but I suppose that's just irc, maybe something that runs in a web browser though with graphics and video.
>>537154414What if we just make a new site that doesn't require ID once all of the shitsites do (they will)
>>537153882>Maybe of we're really lucky companies will get scared off a bit when it comes to the web tootheres no waythey're all way too integrated and theres hardly any non-web market anymore
>>537153751people never "sign in" anymore because we never truly "sign off". No one wants to go to some alt site because its not INSTANT. part of why 4chan is dying to discord and other apps is people dont want information- you are online forever with a black box of answers- they want instant brain hits. People tried with the hotwheels site and similar- 4chan offshoots become sharty or wheels with no inbetween. The best you can hope for is saving all the real info to print out when digital ID truly stops dissenting thought- and realistically they wont even meed it, they just flood the internet with low iq retards addicted to their phones and any real info is so drowned it doesnt matter. /pol/ use to actually be useful, now its just the same 16 bot threads over and over. Its not going to get better. The replacement to this web is a worse one (((they))) will have us addicts begging for.fuck everythings so gay now.
>>537154076>Why do normies flock to retards so much?because they're retards tooretards will listen to entertaining retards and never listen to smart people
>>537142114I2P sites, oldfag. Or even slower chans.
>>537154506I'm skeptical of that concept more than a decentralized image board simply due to the nature of the communication and the sheer resources required to host a homeserver for that. Also Matrix already exists
>>537154532it will be illegal even if not, the jews will find some way to shut you down, or just kill you without making it look like a murder, or not even that but make sure the media never mentions it
>>537154532>>537154690they will just use ai bots so good and annoying no one will want to use it. Thats how they force the ID- make everything else pointless, remove the drug after having it be free.
>>537154554Ypu're right but hopefully that isn't the whole story. I suspect there is a demand for authenticity.
>>537142114This was written by AI
>>537154779>they will just use ai bots so good and annoying no one will want to use it.Good bots would fly under the radar and improve engagement. What we have is an endless flood of shitty bots spouting nonsense.
>>537154643>i2p I thought it was onion's dead cousin. Are there any users?
>>537154800that demand will be met with irl groups and ludite movements that will fail because the system will make it difficult to impossible to do anything outside it. The Beast.>>537154871yes and it will go so fast you wont be able to tell the difference. thats the plan. they dont need to make anything illegal- just so ass as to be unusable.
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>>537142114we need private internets based on reputation or credit. think how some private torrent trackers manage leeching, except applied to general purpose internet communications. crypto tried to solve it in a way with tokens a cycle or so ago, but it just created gross speculation behavior. it has to be reputation and/or credit. doesn't solve the sybil problem, but the sybil problem doesn't need to be solved at the protocol level. the cancer/spam problem does.
>>537142114## 4chan Discussion Thread: The Decline of the Internet and Search for AlternativesThis is a 4chan forum thread from June 15, 2026, where long-time users discuss the perceived decline of the internet and explore alternative platforms.**Key Details:**| Aspect | Information ||---------|-------------|| Thread Topic | The death of the internet and where users should go next || Original Poster | Anonymous user who has been on the internet since 1997 and 4chan since 2005 || Date | June 15, 2026 (UTC) || Main Argument | The internet has become corporate-controlled, surveillance-heavy, and dominated by bots, while original forums like 4chan have lost their unique culture || Core Concerns | Loss of anonymity, digital tracking, corporate control, and the rise of "shittposting" culture |**Main Arguments:**1. **The Internet's Decline** - The original poster argues that the internet has been "dying" since 2018, transitioning from a decentralized, free space to a corporate-controlled platform dominated by social media and bots.2. **Corporate Control** - The platform is characterized by: - Heavy surveillance through cookies and JavaScript tracking - Mandatory phone number/email requirements for most services - Digital ID and CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency) systems - "Walled gardens" and walled garden platforms that restrict freedom3. **Change in User Base** - The community has shifted from: - "Lifers" (original long-time users) who were tech-savvy and created content for its own sake - "Retards" (younger users) who focus on trends and social media - "Zoomers" who prioritize online platforms for social validation4. **Lost Culture** - The original spirit of the internet (1993-1998) was described as having: - No bots or fakes - Real people building things and sharing knowledge - Decentralized communities - Less emphasis on corporate control
>>537142195Soulless chink bug detected.
>>537155229This is only superficially accurate. this is why this AI shit is disheartening, normalfags are too stupid and uncaring to discern this. It sounds good so let's keep using it.
>>537155177>reputationCancer and easy to subvert. The whole reason 4chan was good for so long was because that didn't exist. This site was made explicitly to eschew reputations. That's literally why "Anonymous" is the default name
>>537155510There comes a point where long time posters tend to stick out because of their posting styles and habits though. Once you have people begin to recognize you and even giving you a name on a board it's time for you to leave kek.
>>537148139>ATSThe original zany gatekeeper site, I wonder if AJ posted there
>>537155177wouldn't work bad actors would just buy good reputation
>>537146932I don't play video games. Back in the mid 2000s when local newspapers started to go online and you could comment on stories i remember saying we should offer blacks free cars if they got vasectomies and i got banned.
>>537154169I just can't abide by a ring of trust. You need to know what the instance wants, assuming every instance is created with a well thought-out concept and some basic principles. You get people in by having good ideas, but they need to feel empowered. They should be able to decide who is worth federating with or maintaining a federation with. Your tagging idea is great because it would help determine instances that are not being governed well and those that are.
>>537155664That's a good problem to have for the platform though as many repeated users sustain the community
>>537142195Why do people on the internet FUCKING HATE reading so much these days? You're white and you can't handle a few paragraphs?
>>537155510this isn't ideological or social reputation. this correlating ip, user agent, and/or anon identity (session key, cookie, user credentials) with protocol-malicious behaviors like spam or ddos. maybe a private internet has a certain legal baseline to maintain and needs to curb abuses - that might be a variable. that aside however, if a community within a private internet wants to self-moderate, it can enforce its own standards.
>>537155852>Your tagging idea is great because it would help determine instances that are not being governed well and those that are.Yes, but is this pertinent to end users or only to mod staff of homeservers? My personal homeserver, I would prefer a mod system like og 4chan, which is just a group of friends who are mostly hands off but will ban the seriously bad stuff (law violations), and I'll leave the democracy to you and your homeserver.
>>537155818not if its designation is programmatic. think less reputation units, more pagerank.
>>537155980Persistent identity is a vector for subversion and will just punish good users more than bad actors the same way captchas make it harder for legit posters but I can just buy a pass and my bot can then freely post
>>537156068I think I understand what you're saying on a technical level (have developed decentralized systems) but I don't think it's appropriate for a fedi-chan-style website
Glad I'm a old fag and experienced the internet, not this neutered app store version that exists now, zoomies will never know
Will AI ever post with grammatical errors? If i see a post with spelling/etc errors i can assume it is a human but its hands might have claws or be very brown?
>>537155871>repeated users sustain the communityI tried to sustain my home board but I was ousted. /ic/ is now suffering from this new generational brainrot and a hugbox mentality where posters play a strange game of buttgrab in the dark with each other all derived from discord faggotry. >>537147099This graphic illustration summarizes it pretty well, the final nail in the coffin for me was when a foid opened her legs and posted a picture of her cunt as "reference material" and now a cult like following of orbiters spawned out of the whore.
>>537143551Well, for one, it's being shilled by a memefag.Obviously a mark of quality.
I hate how you can't do anything on the internet now without a phone number. everything wants you to make an account and they won't let you make an account without a goy number.
>>537156346cant you just give them someone elses phone number? or the number from your local pizza hut?
>>537155998I think tags would be pertinent to everyone on any instance/server that cares about the collective. Your og chan idea would be a sort of touchstone of fedi-chan, but yes, I would absolutely implement a democratic model on my homeserver.
>>537156239When it comes to things I'm interested in i will leave no stone unturned. I want to be proven wrong, that's why I spent so many years here.
>>537156070i'm thinking of this in two layers:the private internet service layer, and the internal communities layer. communities - exists within private internet layer - can manage whatever the hell they want. private internet service layer sets the bare minimum for access to the network. you could have an absolute dogshit reputation in a private community but if it isn't existentially threatening/malicious to the service provider, that's the community's business.compare it to isp access and 4chan access. isp only cares about bandwidth, legal compliance, dues for service. 4chan might have more subjective expectations. even 4chan has quasi-persistent identities under the hood - it's just anonymized to end users, but jannies can track you if you maintain the same ip and agent. isp doesn't care if you post hentai on a blue board. jannies might build a profile and impose escalating ban durations.
>>537156489no because you aren't allowed to use the account until they "verify" the phone number. they pretend it's for security but it's really just digital id with an extra step.
>>537156570One problem I see with exposing homeserver tags to end users is that it can take on a certain connotation the way flags do here and that can make the discussion more about the poster than the post. This ultimately must be known by the server and exposed to mod staff and I wonder if that would be sufficient. Perhaps these flags/tags could be opt-in in the client for end users.I envision the federated/distributed nature being somewhat transparent to end users who should feel like they are just using an updated version of old 4chan with less garbage and a better UX. To casual users it would feel like one website or app.
>>537156718verify how?
>>537156146honestly bayesian pattern filtering is probably more than sufficient for a fedichan.
>>537156489>>537156783This is a bot.
>>537156692I see what you're saying and I appreciate your technical minded posts but I don't want to get lost in the weeds on a reputation system. I explored those around 2018 and I think I understand the benefits but that's definitely secondary to issues such as adoption, gatekeeping, user retention, general moderation. What do you think about the federated model for an imageboard?
>>537142195Fr fr no cap
You guys are all gay. If you want to read discussions just look up wayback of mpcdot. If you want to actually talk to somebody or debate you're probably gay.
The biggest change I noticed was after the 2016 election. That is when Jews went scorched earth in their campaign to eliminate any and all public exposure of their schemes. First, they went after people like Andrew Anglin. Once they got rid of muh evil alt-right nazis, they started going after people like Alex Jones. Then they pushed their censorship into Faceberg, Twatter, etc., basically, the normie web. Once Biden got in, the internet basically went full CCP/RUnet. Basically, kikes have been in full oy vey shut it down mode for a decade now. The only major platform where you can openly discuss kikes now is X, but that platform and its owner have so many ways of tracking you that you aren’t actually anonymous on there. He also sucks kosher cock.
It's over dude. After Discord and Telegram became popular enough, everybody just stays in their locked chat rooms while they circle jerk each other.
>>537156854the private internet tier isn't 100% necessary, i just anticipate it as a first line of defense against the cancer killing the internet.for standalone platforms, this should suffice -> >>537156807
>>537156749Okay, I see. Yes, enabling optionality makes sense. For me, I'd make tag visibility a local mandate so that users from my homeserver could decide whether a particular instance is degrading the local culture.
>>537142195you can tell what the entire post is about by reading the first and last sentences idiot
>>537157166Alt right was a psy op, Mike Enoch is a Jew married to a B'nai B'rith wife, everyone knew and was complicit, this whole grift fell apart when this was no longer needed and he was exposed as yet another "Hello there fellow Nazis" and all of the cringe nazi posting on major platforms enabled them to say, "see, we're fighting homegrown extremism," as always. You got psyopped by thr ADL, Splc and stormfags
>>537156807>>537157200I can go ask grok and do some reading but give me your personal perspective and qrd on Bayesian pattern filtering as it pertains to a federated imageboard, please Do you see such a platform gaining traction? Why or why not? What do you consider valid potential alternatives?
>>537142114I remember those old days on the internet. Wish we could return. Today's internet is filled with 3rd world lowlifes and brown shitheads.
>>537157223What do you think about the dynamics described in >>>/g/109065457? Should the platform have boards the way that Matrix has channels, or does that risk fracturing the user base too much? Is there a middle ground? Does each homeserver/site have to display these boards/channels or can those individual homeservers be single-board? Do we each use our own client? How many are bespoke
>>537157375basically every moderation and its context contributing to a probabilistic model for deciding whether subsequent posts are potential violations (spam particularly) worth preemptively filtering.federated or no, spam control is probably the most important challenge you're going to have to tackle running an imageboard. everything else is manageable solo or with a small team of jannies.traffic-viability of the platform is a different question completely. there needs to be a staying factor and that is not really my expertise. many an imageboard has fizzled out over time.
>>537142195Absolutely lost it at this post. OP and his faggy diary eternally BTFO'd
>>537157200>private internet tierSimilar to networks like freenet, i2p or tor?
>>537155146Is it used by grasshoppers anon I don't understand this reference
>>537158223>*crickets*
>>537142114>If you've been using the Internet since the early days and have spent more time online than not, where do you go from here?Slowly pulling out, grab what data you can and limit your time spent doing nothing online. It's dead, Jim. Torrent now and be ready for the last login.
been using it since '99, i'd say around 2016 the old internet had fully died. its not just a technological shift but a demographic one as well. i remember in the early 2000's 90%+ of people you'd encounter were white westerners, japs or rusniggers. now its browns everywhere. jeets are particularly annoying because they speak english and don't self-segregate like the chinks do. the damage a single jeet can do to a site is incredible. for example all those daily child gore threads you see here are from the same gujarat shitskin.
>>537158417Mein neger
>>537142195>Barely sentient biomass with a two second attention spanYou are the summary, retard.
>>537158104admittedly not familiar with how freenet or i2p work. familiar with tor. i wasn't really thinking of an anonymization network, just a gated virtual network, ideally with federated infrastructure rather than a central point of failure.one conceptual inspiration is the jpopsuki tracker, which operates/operated on an invite basis and requires contribution proportional to extraction to mitigate free riding leeching.another inspiration is an inversion of the great firewall of china, except geared towards keeping out malicious/undesirable traffic profiles rather than china's keeping local traffic contained/controlled.
>>537156718>>537156783if all they do is check if its a real number, you should be goodif they call/send it a verification text, then you'll need to be on good terms with that person (or it could be a work phone you have access to)ive never used a phone number for a website before; I wouldnt really know
>>537142114We need to start our own websites again and make them open. 2018, I think the GDPR is probably to blame. Websites were restricted from collecting profitable data, so they had to change how to make profit.
>>537158476This rings true to some extent and it reminds me of my gaming experience in the early 00's. I remember playing old MMOs and Poles were considered niggers and to be avoided. Actually there was a lot more fun American-Euro overlap at that time in the games that I played which didn't utilize geofencing too heavily. Even the Brazilians who I'd meet were a cut above because they were from a family that could afford a computer or maybe they didn't come from means but still had the sense to acquire and use one somehow. It felt like we all had a lot in common as a class of individuals despite being from very different backgrounds, and I no longer have much of that sensation on the Internet, even with people of similar backgrounds. Though there was also less monoculture at that time
>>5371421144chan won the culture war but sacrificed itself in the process. 4chan is now the toilet bowl of jeets and leftist shills.
>>537152919>>537153940ok coolbut how will this stop me from going insane after 2+ decades of being terminally onlineat some point it seems even the most hardcore internet junkies have hatched some eggmy egg is made of rope
I remember when captchas didn't exist on the entire internet.I remember when if you had the username and password for something you could just LOG THE FUCK IN without jumping through endless hoops.
>>537142114>4chan no longer creates cultureThat's because it's full of cringe ass soulless nigger crybabies like yourself. Bots too, lots of bots.
>>537158417I used to hoard data and had over 100 TB before losing it in a flood. Just can't be bothered to start over.
>>537159026Thanks for reminding me to refresh my backup drives, it's been almost a year and I've added a ton of media over that time.
>>537154554these cock sucking captchas sure don't help. every bad actor can hire infinite indians to solve them anyway
>>537159425You can just buy a pass for $20 too which is easy to make back by shilling some product with bors. Go look at /b/ it's all third worlders selling digital sex products, drugs and scams.
THE 180 MILLION AI CONSENSUS CRACKING BOTS OPERATED BY AN OBSCURE ISRAELI COMPANY FUNDED BY THE DOD https://archive.is/Rxf2y>While the world was distracted with President Donald Trump leaving office on Jan. 20, an obscure Florida company discreetly announced to the world’s computer networks a startling development: It now was managing a huge unused swath of the Internet that, for several decades, had been owned by the U.S. military.>The entities controlling the largest swaths of the Internet generally are telecommunications giants whose names are familiar: AT&T, China Telecom, Verizon. But now at the top of the list was Global Resource Systems — a company founded only in September that has no publicly reported federal contracts and no obvious public-facing website.>“They are now announcing more address space than anything ever in the history of the Internet,” said Doug Madory, director of Internet analysis for Kentik, a network monitoring company, who was among those trying to figure out what was happening.https://archive.is/2QrSGhttps://archive.is/QEXiH>Brett Goldstein, the DDS’s director, said in a statement that his unit had authorized a “pilot effort” publicizing the IP space owned by the Pentagon.>“This pilot will assess, evaluate and prevent unauthorized use of DoD IP address space,” Goldstein said. “Additionally, this pilot may identify potential vulnerabilities.”>Goldstein described the project as one of the Defense Department’s “many efforts focused on continually improving our cyber posture and defense in response to advanced persistent threats. We are partnering throughout DoD to ensure potential vulnerabilities are mitigated.”
>Cloudflare and other CDNs break encryption by design to serve you "cached" content while LARPing as the origin web server>CDNs modify data in real-time constantly: request animegirl.png from any major image host and watch it serve you animegirl_recompressed.webp>retards would rather complain that their Mongolian basket weaving forum doesn't support .webp instead of getting mad about the obvious bait and switch censorship happening in real time>if they can modify an image in-route they can modify any type of content like text, video, audio etc.>normalfags do not care because they're too stupid to understand what's happening>mention these facts anywhere and glow niggers will come out of the wood work to label you crazy and claim there is nothing wrong ("muh CDN needs to save shekels!!!)>every website behind a CDN is allowing the CDN to spy on every user requesting content from it>every website behind a CDN can be shut down at any time (whoopsie doopsie we're having trouble finding that page! Try again later <cute picture designed for toddlers>>encryption is useless anyway because consumer level CPUs do not generate real random numbers and everything in RAM can be accessed remotely via CPU backdoors>SSL/TLS is broken by design and all older hardware where it could be real security has been declared obsolete recently because it doesn't support newfag languages like Rust that are really just glow niggers doing an end run around old tools written in C for platforms that didn't have backdoors baked into them
>>537159715>>537159694Pretty good posts, but why ITT and where did you source these
The year is 2036. The internet is dead.It still exists, sort of, but any inquiry or request is met with questionable AI-generated responses rather than 12 year old forum posts answering your question. You share data with your close friends locally via limited intranet or good old fashioned irl transfer via exchanged drives. The ubiquity of the Old Net is a memory, and everyone has adapted to the new normal.
>>537160085In the links in his post, you worthless fucking bot.
>>537160085>why ITTthis thread is about the death of the internet, the pentagon unleashing hundreds of millions, potentially billions of bots to spread propaganda and division is relevant to the health of the internet as a whole especially when the company who was handed the keys to the bot empire was Israel. >where did you source thesefrom this boardposts like those are the reason why 4chan is the only place left on the internet; everywhere else has become a walled garden filled with sycophants all engaging in the pursuit of the next dopamine hitI am from a dying breed, I get dopamine from being exposed to truth, and the longer it takes to find that truth the bigger the dopamine hit will suck when truth is completely smothered on the clearnet I am still not quite sure what I will do when that happens
>>537142114the decline of the internet you are bemoaning is the same decline seen in every western country. until 2010 the vast majority of internet users were upper middle class white dudes from america. as access to the internet increased, quality decreased. the question "where do you go from here?" has the same answer as our political future. either we create countries which exclude outsiders and foster culture, or we go extinct. i believe the meatspace outcome of this will determine if we get our own creative online communities again. that's as simple and straightforward as i can make it.
>>537142114>I've watched the internet go from a chaotic but free frontier of anonymous people building culture to a corporatized, surveilled, and conformity-enforcing wasteland, and I no longer know where someone like me belongs online.>onlineLiterally, unironically, touch grass. Sun on your face, skin to skin contact, breathing in the air of others peoples air. Treat online just like email.Online is a prison. Break out, and organize, and destroy the prison to free others.
>>537144205>its really easy to make your own emailno it's hell nowadays. literally all the shit you send from there will be marked as spam by every provider too.
>>537147174The luggage lad shit really killed it for me and I went to 8 kun for a bit till Saint Tarrant made that place implode now I'm back here knowing this place is the ejaculate of Joffery Epplestein and directed hell probably even modded by him still today yes he's alive
There is no point to post anymoretime for talking has been over for yearsI left society for the fucking faggots that are too pussy to get violent.Nobody in the west wants to actually fight back.people still think they will vote their way to happily ever after.a complete and total violent revolution by the people overthrowing all bankers politicians attornies and the shabbos goyim that prop them up is the only thing that can save Humanity.Look at the chinks, they are a billion plus enslaved bugs that will not do anything to uproot their government and their government already has enacted a surveillance state thatguarantees an uprising of the people is impossible.They are now enslaving the whole world via a surveillance state and the people lap it up. The window/door of change is already closing on humanity until the next cataclysmic event happens. We have collectively let those in control re-enslave us, better than ever before, and 99% of the population won't believe you when you try. They basically already won.The only way out is brutal violence that the governments already know most people will run to the governments for help. Nations use the threat of violence to get their way. Look at the most recent iteration. Iran didnt want to do what the rest of the world wanted, so they use America the attacker to violently put that nation state into submission.Talks and negotiations only get you so far. Humans of all sides of the 'aisle' and walks of life or belief systems have to being to wake up to the fact that nobody of power will or can listen to what you say. Our nations are bankrupt and beholden to the creditor who is hellbent on enslavment of the population.Its time to put the collective pen down and make these other mere humans which are mortal like you and me, fear the billions of humans.
>>537142195>Learn to summarisefuck off with ordering summarization.OP post was coherent, linear, and all points count towards the main point they were making.(you) are just one of the "new" dingleberrries that phone-posting let get on what was once the domain of nerds.its (you) who should e-x-p-o-u-n-d and communicate in more than these pithy little tweet-length bite-sized bullshit phrases.us computer nerds have to deal with you meat-sack normies all day every day if we leave the house for any reason, now we're infested with your sorry asses online as well.people (and I use that term loosely) ruined real life, thanks for ruining the internet just as surely.
>>537142114OP, (some of) us are still here. we're just drowned out by all the normie faggots that infest the internet like maggots. I skim threads here daily, then skim replies to find those little gems that are authentic.(you) are fren, enjoy your (you)
>>537158643so you don't have a jewgle account, a paypal account, or a scamazon account?
>>537142667>Smart people can summarise. You can't. So you have nothing useful to say to me.the alternate viewpoint and I think much more likely conclusion... is that (you) simply have the attention span (and communicative abilities) of a f-l-e-a."me no like big words. me no like big sentence." *grunt* *grunt*
>>537142114The last "dox" I saw were r9k trannies dancing on stream. Maybe I'm out of the loop
>>537161556no jewgle or paypal, but I do have amazonbut ive had it for a long time; never had to use a phone number
>>537143618I first used the original internet on a mainframe at college, lol. text only, almost no commercial anything. before that, I used dial up BBS over phone lines, ha ha.anyone remember "Minnesota top level gopher server"?(original search engine, well sort of)I recall finding electronics schematics for projects.rendered in ASCII only.
>>537142195Niggers have been tonguing my anus for so long that now I have aids
>>537143618I remember the Guy Fierre fire fonts on the early 2000's on various sites and a bunch of niche forums. Zoomers will never remotely understand how useless search engines are now compared to 20 years ago. Idk what it was like in the 90's at all though
>>537142114>Into the late 2010's, things felt worse but they were still sort of in the spirit of the old Internet. You had crypto finally kicking off in a big way, "dark" and "deep web" tech and networks in use by the general public, decentralization and the fediverse coming into existence and so on.also they killed crypto and now 5/10 projects never go anywhere and the other 4/10 will actively rug you, courtesy of jeet scammers.
>>537144157>Thanks, but who thought to call this shit "Simplex"? Will it give me herpes? I'll read your link but I remain skeptical."simplex" was an old time term as opposed to "duplex" communications. the words go back to before the internet to the days of HAM radio communications.
>>537142979>smart nerds make money nowoh yeahdoing what
>>537147316>6 to 14 or 15KekI want to cry10 wasted years doing random temp jobs. The economy is always bad and people gaslight you because there's always room for some roastie to be employed at a fake job by boomer leeches. I remember summer 2013 and now it's all so far away.
>>537147656other boards are full of the 'creepy 24yo teens from the third world' like he said.
>>537142114Where do I go? The same place I've always been. Deep inside a game. As long as an equivalent to gamefaqs exists for whatever I'm obsessed with at the moment everything will be fine. The social interaction here is.... what it is. The website itself has some unhealthy dark patterns with how threads are bumped.
>>537142233I'm pleb is this a url
The internet isn't even real.You aren't real either.Nothing is real.
>>537162551I'm real
>>537142114>where do you go from here?Ive been online before the internet existed (bulletin board system with a Timex-Sinclair. I was actually big pimpin with the 16kb memory expansion module).Ya im old as fuck.I do very little on the internet nowadays besides a few forums im deeply vested in (+ this cesspit).I find myself doing more and more intricate restoration work within my existing hobbies. Currently learning how to do lead fill instead of bondo.
>>537142195Straya bantz remain undefeated
>>537142114There always will be alternatives to the general internet. Usenet and Gopher are two that I am aware of. However they do need internet access still, just like other "deep" or "dark" web normie jargon bullshit.Digital ID are obviously the next step. They have been working on laws in the EU and US since 2017 that I am aware of. Probably earlier.But remember the core issue with the internet is that the government had little control over it when it started to grow rapidly. Dot com bust was a chance to put a leash on it. That leash was web 2.0. Web 3.0 will be the cage where you are required to have a digital ID to access it. 3.0 always was thought to be a decentralized version of the www but I believe the read-write-own concept of 3.0 will become read-write-rent with the rent being the idea of subscriptions, streaming and identification being required to do anything.Normies as a whole simply do not care about mass surveillance and abuse by the government. I do understand your concerns but when most normies do not care about Flock cameras invading every highway, intersection and parking lot then I think it is fairly easy to predict what normies will do when digital id are pushed. Probably will happen either when AI really takes off or when AI really crashes in forms of legislation either reacting to hacking occurring because of AI if it takes off or as a way to track dissent online if AI crashes and my fedpost will come back to haunt me.
>since 2005well shit typing pattern ads up. haven't seen normalfag used non-performatively in years.There's a awfully small cluster of names from that period. Who where you?
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>>537142979>discord lets anyone have their own private chat channel>discord basically lets any retard make 4chanThis is bullshit.The instant your community hits 100 members an admin is going to look at your server and delete it when he sees 4chan memes he doesn't like.
guys, i think i found the exit to 4chan. we're free. we can finally experience the outside world.
>>537163102do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>537142114I member Joe cartoon.
>>537163658he doesn't need to because you're faggot simple as
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>>537142114I remember somethingawful being one of my favorite sites on the early net. I liked the movie reviews and goofy stuff, first place I ever heard or discovered trannies or furries and they were shitting on them, everyone did. Fast forward to uh now, I didnt go there for many years, then did one day and discovered Lowtax' had taken his own life after spiraling in a big way and the new owners of somethingawful were trannies and furries. I dont think the website has even been updated in ten years. I guess it's now just exclusively a forum for trannies and whatever was left there. Fucking strange
>>537164218never heard of that in my lifeyou are wrong until I see evidence
>>537142114>If you've been using the Internet since the early days and have spent more time online than not, where do you go from here? I can't abide by this shit.Gonna have to de-computer ourselves in little enclaves
>>537161986>doing whatSelling out potentially subversive and revolutionary online communities by aggregating your data and constructing social graphs of your previously impenetrable milieus and thus making you far more easily influenced/manipulated and traceable, then selling that data to corporations or the government.And yet you idolize the vampire nerds like Pedo Bill Gates, Creepy Homosexual Peter Thiel, and literally-too-annoyingly-autistic-for-Epstein Elon Musk, just like niggers worshipping the nigger musicians who sold out to music business kikes who got the niggers hooked on drugs.You come here like a weed- and crack-addicted nigger stealing stereos to feed his habit, buying what was cia-imported cocaine freebase, so that you deliberately stay a burden, so you don't do better for, or come to any sort of wealth for your community.It was easy to do to nerds, because while niggers get drugs and guns, all it took to immobilize white nerds in the 90s was pictures and movies, and even cartoons of naked whores getting fucked, all for free: you even thought it was freedom and transgressive and revolutionary to blow the fuck out your ability to maintain a healthy sexual attraction, to concentrate and develop your own forms of enjoyment independently of the kike pedo hacker cults of Silicon Valley and Palo Alto, and other places like Tokyo, Amsterdam and Tel Aviv. They literally allowed you to steal and consume the very poison destroying your own thoughts and life and making you end up lonely and unloved.Then they monetized your desolation and kikes like Ross Jeffries, Mystery, Neil Strauss and Owen Cook sold you the Pickup Artist cult kikery to make you even less attractive and scare girls away from you even more, laughing their way to the bank.You don't know how badly you have been fucked over. You literally need to get off this board and do whatever you can to get your life back on track, whatever it takes.
it was trump's net neutrality imo and that pajeet ajit pai. prior to that bandwidth was completely unregulated so literally anybody could host a website if they wanted to. theyd want a faster host than their home internet, but the concept was the same, and it was possible. bandwidth didnt have a usage cap, only a speed cap. now, that same website you couldve ran in your basement or your college dorm room for pennies costs millions of dollars a month to operate.
>>537142114>Everything else requires a phone number to use, or an email service which probably requires a phone number, and all of it is tied together with cookies and Javascript and device fingerprinting and everything else.>device fingerprinting>device fingerprinting>device fingerprintingThishttps://amiunique.org/>Spoiler - You aren'tSo many people I know say "but I use a VPN with firefox and privacy addons and I am not signed in to anything"
>>537148167Yes
>>537143173>Link to the appHas a reddit community No thanks
