No one saw this coming but the exponential growth of renewables has pretty much ended nuclear power's future.
>renewablesThe sun will die soon
>>109078902>years of shilling for muh environment>barely any result>cheap energy needed for AI>sudden immense jump
>109078911>soonlol, LMAO
same as electric cars, these solar "renewables" require accumulation in extremely poisonous batteries that produce tremendous waste compared to nuclear.nuclear energy is not renewable, its infinite, really, more reactor works more uranium is refined = more fuel.
>>109078916Stop noticing things, goy!
>>109078916>implying this is about the muttmerican AI stock bubbleThis is all China.
>>109078985>extremely poisonous batteries that produce tremendous wasteIt's lithium and fully recyclable. What the fuck are you talking about?
>b-but batteries will never be good enou-Not to mention new sodium ion tech. Made from abundant sodium. No dependence on lithium. Works in cold weather. Charges faster. Lower fire risk. Expected to be cheaper after its learning curve. It's not meme tech either, it's already being manufactured at scale.
>>109078998How many kg of destroyed ecosystem for a kg of lithium?Enough lithium for everyone?
>>109078902The sun is nuclear powered you ASSSHOLE!
>>109079008Lithium is no longer needed. We have sodium ion now. Of course it's not a big deal anyway. Lithium will be used too. Uranium mining is far more toxic. Look into how toxic it is. It would do us good to shut down uranium mining. One less source of toxic mines. We need lithium anyway. We don't need nuclear.
>>109079008Famously Uranium is picked from trees at not mined at all.
>>109079013True!
>>109078916>Expects linear growth on exponential subjectAnon...
>>109078902>THE WORLDIt's just China doing good shit.
>>109078902>>109078916looks like it doesn't make a dent
>>109079539Exponential growth sneaks up on you. If an algae takes 30 days to cover a lake, doubling every day, it will cover ~90% of the lake in the last 3 days.
>>109079539kek EU killing its whole economy to save 0.001g of CO2 meanwhile Xi and Trump and random Pojeet shitting out more CO2 than we could ever dream of
>>109078902When you realize how much bullshit you need to deal with for nuclear, it honestly makes perfect sense.
>>109078902nuclear is abandoning linear-no-threshold so it's about to become much cheaper
>>109078911kek
>>109078911two more weeks
>>109079645The EU is killing its economy to sanction Russia and fund Ukraine
>>109078911>>109079893Unironically this is an issue for the far far future. The sun is expected to make the Earth uninhabitable in 500 million years and die in 5 billion years. On these timescales we need fusion and star engineering to preserve the hydrogen in the sun. Currently the sun radiates an absolutely colossal amount of energy which we don't use, so the economical thing to do would be to extract all that excess material in the sun and store it for later use in fusion reactors, where we can burn it at our own pace instead of the sun just burning it far more aggressively.That's some scifi stuff though and in the here and now renewables won.
>>109079920Or we can just fuck off from the Earth and start living exclusively in space stations instead of trying to preserve this stupid rock. Gravity wells are for suckers, and once we can live in space permanently I suggest we blow up the Earth into cosmic rubble.
>>109079028Elon was big on solar because he thought he could get China to sell him the top-of-the-line world's best solar panel machines, but China blocked him from buying them when he traveled there with Trump earlier this year.He's no longer a "solar fan", and he's instead burning gas for his data centers and blowing smoke into the towns next to them.
>>109078924You won't be laughing when I launch my sun destruction device
>>109079801It doesn't have to be that way. Its artificial and intentional
Graphene perovskites can print solar panels like paper.From my calculations, price floor is $10/mw total system costAt that price, if you need gas, just use solar electricity to make it from electrolysis. Looking at the PV prices, its an exponential cost decrease and exponential capacity increase.Can hit net zero by 2040.That and graphene composite materials reduce prices of all technological devices. Theres graphene polymers stronger, lighter, better conductivity than steel.
>>109080280Its too damned risky bc its poisonous plus proliferation risks. Solar has no such risks. The solarpunk future is coming. Every house can be self sufficient in energy. EVs can have built in bulletproof solar-graphene skins and rarely even need to be charged.Theres basically no more bottlenecks on any raw materials ever again.
>>109080328The graphene magnesium and graphene aluminum frames can build vehicles that can survive crashes much better, about 50% the weight of existing vehicles, probably 800-1000km battery range.
>>109080328>sufficient in energyNot everywhere is the desert. I live in the midwest and we dont get enough sun during the year for solar to be practical. Ive looked into it and it would take ~20k worth of solar panels to fully power my house. Thats just the panels alone, not batteries etc. With batteries it would ~45k, so ROI just isnt there for solar. I could spend the same or less for geothermal and at least be able to get ROI for that 24/7 365. However, either way its just pre-paying for utilities, and ~45k will pay my power bill as is for a long long time.
>>109080218Elon is still a solar fan because he's going to fire up his own solar panel factories.Local solar panel production is going to start happening more and more all over the world as people have realized it's a bit of a shit deal to allow Chinks to have the monopoly over energy generation.Not to mention solar manufacturing brings a lot of jobs throughout the entire supply chain.
Nuclear vs renewables is a false dichotomy. Both are good, and Chyna is doing exactly that.
>>109080511USA is hopping on battery manufacturing as well. Even though China produces most solar panels, the US is also a significant manufacturer.
>>109078916Yeah except it does nothing for the environment.
>>109078989Yeah China is leading the way with... 8% of its energy produced by solar and... 60% of it produced by coal...
>>109080328>Theres basically no more bottlenecksExcept for the highly toxic and extremely combustible lithium-ion batteries that you need to actually store the energy.
Holy shit.This is the kind of shit I like seeing.Solar punk future allowing a post scarcity AI society? Hell. Fucking. Yes.
>>109080780Sodium ion and LFP batteries.
>>109080808LFP battery's impact on the environment is about 80% as bad as lithium-ion, and sodium-ion's is about 70% as bad.
>>109080328Them airplanes need fossil fuels.
>>109080851Jet fuel can be synthesized (electrolysis, carbon capture, Fischer Tropsch process) and with cheap enough solar panels it can be cost competitive with digging it out of the ground.
>>109080782After the elites' drone army genocides 99.9% of humanity of course
>>109078902To this day I'm super angry we're using solar panels and not one of the MANY other solar power methods.Like mirror focusing, or power towers, or literally anything besides photovoltaic reactions that rely upon numerous petrochemicals and rare earths.
>>109078902Nice having no power at night or when its cloudy.
>>109078902sure, until there's a mega pinatubo eruption and worldwide solar capacity gets immediately cut by 2/3 for two years minimum.
>>109081648Do you seriously think it's night around the entire world at once?We could easily build infrastructure to support each other around the clock if we were to stop our endless bickering and embraced the possibilites of the singularity.
>>109079920man if humantiy survives enough to make it sun heating matter, they will make a sunshade for the earth first, probably a really big solar station on L1.and there are plenty of hidrogen, no need to harvest the sunnow how to avoid the sun expansion when diyng there is billions of years to figure out
hey ya, solar trannies:https://neutronbytes.com/2026/01/09/terrapower-in-mega-deal-with-meta-for-eight-natrium-345-mw-advanced-nuclear-plants/
Nuclear is the most cost efficient proven technology. Costs far less lives then coal, gas or dams
>>109080218This is why you have to tariff preemptively before foreign countries rugpull you like this.
>>109085583lmaofrom what pajeet on twitter have you read that?
>>109085600Nice try Standard Oil cuck
>>109085646Does it include the increased leukemia rates around leaky nuclear waste disposal sites?
>>109080782Christ, I hope you're not a real person.
>>109085660Please tell me a nuclear reactor generation facility that is currently dumping nuclear material straight into the environmentAre you talking about nuclear medical waste or Russians / US doing stupid shit and dumping reactor byproducts into water (Hanford / Karachay) cause that wasn't related to power generation.
>>109085660sounds like you live in a place run by russians
>>109085646Whenever something breaks in a nuclear power plant they need to cycle like 10 different workers doing the same job because they can only be exposed to the radiation for a few minutes at a time. Then they have the rest of the year off as they've reached their rad limit. Very nice efficient power generation.
>the anti-nuclear pro-solar troll posted it>again
>>109085672I most certainly am.What's wrong with a post scarcity society? Desperate to own the libs or something?
>>109079539we need more ai datacenters to generate slop nigga
>>109084026a gaint shade that's also a gaint solar power plantor a giant space telescope
>>109080780solar panels also decrease earth's albedo and contribute to global warming
>>109086073Water vapor from nuclear power plants is a greenhouse gas.
>>109079645>>109079539China has already reached peak CO2 emissions. The graph just cuts off just before the change happened. They're also spending by far the most out of anyone on renewables.
>>109079028while this is true, we have enough nuclear material on earth to last us until the point the sun consumes the earthand going off their logic the amount of power we'll ever be able to harness from the sun is rounded to 0% of all it will ever producewhy rely on something so innefficient when we can create our own star fuel on earth
>>109086092there are more vapor from oceans than all nuclear power plants combined
how did it work out for Germany? oh right, they are now burning even more coal and buying power from France totally green win lmao = poor and dirty
>>109086162I responded with a bad faith argument in response to your bad faith argument.
>>>capacity
>>109086102china also spends the most out of anyone on new coal burning power plants
>>109086296To replace old coal plants with cleaner and more efficient ones. Replacing all fossil fuels doesn't happen overnight which is why they still have to build coal plants. But their CO2 emissions are going down.
>>109086355china has for years been adding more coal powered generation than it is retiring.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_power_in_China
>>109086457And yet lowering their CO2 emissions.
>>109079028If that retard is screeching nuclear bad, solar good that's enough to make me suspicious about solar and positive about nuclear.
>>109078989>Implying the chinks care when people get black lung
>>109085827What you'll actually get is the end of this civilization, with the best case scenario that we rebuild to a mid-20th century level relying on hydrothermal and geothermal. The current form of civilization is impossible to maintain, post-scarcity or not.
>>109086470for less than 2 years, whereas it has been rising for decades before thathttps://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-have-now-been-flat-or-falling-for-21-months/https://ourworldindata.org/profile/co2/chinahowever china fakes its emissions data to make itself look goodhttps://www.reuters.com/business/environment/chinas-new-carbon-metrics-erased-half-emissions-growth-reported-2020-2025-report-2026-05-27/
>>109086592>china fakes it>reutersmutts are really grasping at straws nowadays
>>109086633don't shoot the messenger, blame the finns for catching china massaging data>nobody is surprised that china does this
>>109086592Yes, and in those decades they weren't building renewables out the ass. Which they're doing now.
>>109079893kek
>>109078911nope but the african kids mining coltan will
>>109085698If something breaks that cause nuclear material leakage it has to be reported to the NRC which publishes them. Go ahead and have a look https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2026/indexCompared to coal, gas where pollution and mining caused how many deaths. Or burst dams killed how many?
>>109086514Solar for now. Move data centers to space. Once we have AGI, it will likely solve nuclear fusion within a matter of months.Your move.
>>109086052>a gaint shade that's also a gaint solar power plantthat is what i meant with solar station
Nobody on here knows what the fuck they are talking about. If you need any clearing up just ask me about this stuff.
>>109078985Why cant you use Iron-air batteries?
>>109078985China is already putting sodium-ion batteries in cars.
>>109087358From what I've heard most iron air battery projects release the energy as hydrogen, so its sort of like a roundabout way to do hydrogen energy storage with the same inefficiency in the final H2 to electricity step.The thing about solar is using batteries for more than a tiny amount of time at peak demand is ridiculously expensive beyond the point that the projected cost reductions can fix. Inevitably it will fall into the same trap as wind where it is just used as a supplement to a grid ultimately backed usually with natural gas but coal and hydro.That being said, the total percentage of energy produced by wind and solar could easily exceed 50% in some places, however 24/7 coverage without the use of a fossil fuel at some times is financially if not physically impossible.
>>109087428for reference, even if you assume we need net 0 emissions, it comes out as cheaper to buy carbon credits for fossil fuels or to simply go 100% nuclear than it is to try and make 24/7 coverage with storage work
>>109087437the only exception to this is if you assume hydrogen storage works, but this is only because "hydrogen" is basically politically correct terminology for "we still need natural gas to do this"
>>109087447>>109087437oh and if we ever do burn hydrogen as a fuel, just remember that steam reforming (yes even with CCS) is likely to be the cheapest way to manufacture it
>>109086102China overbuilds solar because the Beijing bureaucracy hands out good province points for people spending capex on green energy. They already have more solar than they can use in most locales. China's co2 production will not come down whether they produce 1000% or 1000000% of the power they need with solar panels.
>>109087497i feel like we might see more electrochemical processes in the future to take advantage of wind and solar. Everyone is always like "bro water electrolysis" but i feel like there are a lot of other valuable chemicals you could make with essentially free electricity.
>>109079602it's the lack of understanding of this that keeps poors poor.
>>109086102>China has already reached peak CO2 emissions.>according to chinareddit moment
solarcucks....
>>109089062Show me your rooftop nuke plant bro
>>109078902The problem is dispatchability.Solar maximizes production at noon when nobody is using electricity, and is considerably poor around sunrise/sunset during peak demand.It causes major problems because it forces the whole grid to be a fragile JIT economy.>>109080511Elon wants to put solar panels in space.He's trying to sell you rockets for 100% solar uptime.But this is retarded for a myriad of different reasons.
>>109078916> funny how fast the "green" agenda folds when there's money to be made
>>109079028> true? more like cope.
>>109089160Batteries solve that.
>>109090706Right before AI mania hit, Microsoft was making Windows slow down processes "to save the planet". Haven't heard them say anything environment related since then.
Why aren't we making swimming pool sized batteries? Like pour in place some lead walls and fill it with acid, boom terajoules of storage.
>>109085587No, this is why you need to keep industries local in the first place. Tariffs have no teeth when your domestic industries are all gone.
>>109093161Market has determined shipping container sized batteries are most cost effective for grid storage.
>>109093196
>>109093196It's not a market when the government mandates it.
>>109093207
>>109093208Private insurers will never insure nuclear. It needs to be funded by the government.
>>109093161Because something that large would be a bitch to work on and replace. Smaller batteries are easier because if it fails, taking it out of service doesn't take everything else out and repair can be done safely.
Batteries literally onshored American manufacturing, something politicians have failed to do for decades. But it's le bad.
>>1090789020 GW at night>>109079014yep solar panels are totally non-toxic... wait.
>>109093253Just drain the pool and send somebody to scrub the plates, if anything >>109093196 is the real bitch to work on, there are videos on youtube from technicians that work on these and they're cramped full of batteries with bus bars on the walls.
