Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

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I asked this last thread, but just to repeat the question.

I feel like building a PC for fun, and am just going to sell it afterwards.

Should I do a classy looking low profile build with nice wood accents?
Or should I build a gaudy RBG vomit fest with lots of flashing lights, a fish tank case, neon colors?

Reposting as I wrote when the other thread expired:
Guys please help me because I'm going crazy. TLDR: I'm trying to perform a clean install of windows 11 but after the first reboot of the installation I'm stuck in the bios and it won't load the SSD nor the USB drive to try and reinstall it again.

I originally ran into a Windows activation issue and, after troubleshooting, decided to perform a clean install of Windows 11 (also to reorganize my disk partitions). My system is:
>Motherboard: Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX DDR4
>CPU: Intel (12th gen platform)
>SSD: WD Black SN770 2TB NVMe

What I did:
>Created Windows 11 USB using Microsoft Media Creation Tool
>Tried multiple USB sticks (SanDisk 32GB + another USB drive)
>Created USB from both Windows 11 and Windows 10 PCs
>BIOS settings:
>CSM: Disabled
>Secure Boot: Enabled (deployed mode, cannot be modified)
>Boot mode is UEFI only
>USB is detected correctly as “UEFI: [USB name], Partition 1”

When I select the USB from the boot menu the screen goes black for 1 second, then immediately returns to BIOS / boot menu. No Windows installer ever starts.

Things already tried:
>Recreated USB multiple times (Media Creation Tool)
>Changed USB ports (rear USB 2.0 and USB 3.0)
>Reset BIOS to defaults
>Power drain (held power button with PSU unplugged)
>Verified EFI folder exists on USB (bootx64.efi is present)

The system always detects the USB in UEFI mode, but refuses to boot it and returns instantly to BIOS without error messages. I have no idea how to fix this. The computer has run without an issue since 2023, I just had to update the BIOS to the version F34 a week ago but everything went smooth until it started telling me the license was not activated because "error 0xC004F211 hardware change detected". What do I do now?

>>109149436
What a weird thing to do. Just volunteer at a pc repair shop or something. You will probably loose money selling a used pc.

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The stick of DDR5 CL36 5600 ram that i bought for $110 now cost nearly $500, i regret not having the moeny to buy another one. I'll have to stay on a single stick until DDR6, the biggest hurdle will be having enough restraint to not buy a 5070 TI super with 24gb VRAM to run AI shit. I know its the Amere TI's all over agian and in 6 month a 6080 with 32 GB will be like 50% faster

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buy a 9070xt

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the results are in
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-vs-intel-core-i7-14700k-faceoff
don't really know what to think about this, i didn't realize DDR4 XMP was THAT bad
but even so they're basically matched at stock, with a huge L3 deficit
i would still recommend 14th gen for anyone with more than 2 brain cells

>>109149468
Why do you just blindly assume it's used parts?

did i fuck up by buying a 5800x3d? i didn't consult muh /g/eeks
>>109149475
will do one amazon lowers the price a bit again

>>109149521
I call bullshit
>>109149532
It's way overpriced

>>109149532
Yes, you fucked up.
5500X3D while still overpriced isn't a complete scam.

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i see hes not going to give up this time

>>109149536
>It's way overpriced
agreed but it was going for like $500 before this 10th anniversary shit

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>>109149536
>I call bullshit
on what?

>>109149562
on +50% from memory tuning

>>109149578
ok
have you tried it yourself?

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I got a 3060 ti and intel i7-8700k with 16gb of RAM. I play on a 75 inch TV so I am not shooting for 4k. I am likely going to sit on this for another 3-4 years before I finally nut up and do a whole system rebuilt. Technically this frame is a ship of Theseus from over 8 years ago.

>>109149525
Once you as a private person touch new parts, they will automatically become used parts...

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>>109149475
>9070 xt

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I have a question about prebuilds, but what's /pcbg/'s opinion on these?

https://www.costco.com/p/-/ibuypower-element-gaming-pc-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-12gb-32gb-ram-2tb-ssd/4000449752?sp=grs&langId=-1

https://www.costco.com/p/-/msi-aegis-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-9-9900x-geforce-rtx-5080-windows-11-home-32gb-ram-2tb-ssd/4000355760?sp=grs&langId=-1

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when does it end

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>This thread so far

>>109149643
You want family friendly answer or a real answer?

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>>109149643
It doesn't

>>109149653
I want the truth!!

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>>109149658
Sorry blue board.

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>>109149643
>128gb in a single stick
Are you attempting to map the fucking surface of Venus in real time?

>>109149643
I don't know what's funnier, the inch of stickers or the actual dust accumulating on the top.

>>109149674
>64GBx2
it's literally on the package spongebob arschkopf

>>109149641
those prebuilds probably use cheap parts for the things they didn't specify, like slow ram and ssd.

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spongebob arschkopf

>>109149643
>take box to check out
>pull of 10 cm of stickers
>get original price of $200 to scan
>profit

>>109149699
Guessed as much. I will stick with my plan of building my own rig then

>>109149643
It will become worse. Soon the government will come for our RAM at home.

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>Germans

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>

>>109149461

Have you tried creating the bootable USB with another tool?
Use Rufus.
And try using a different windows, see if you can put Win 10 in there.

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>>109149803
After a while I tried to use Rufus, it told me:
[INFO] UEFI v2.80 (American Megatrends, 0x0005001B)
[INFO] American Megatrends International, LLC. F34
[INFO] Glgabyte Technology Co., Ltd. B660M DS3H AX DDR4
[INFO] Secure Boot status: Enabled
[INFO] Disconnecting potentially blocking drivers
[INFO] Searching for target partition on boot disk:
[INFO] PciRoot (0x0) /Pci(0x14.0x0) /USB(0X9,0x0)
[INFO] Found NTFS target partition:
[INFO] Pc-Root (0x0) /Pci(0x14, 0x0) /USB(Ox9,0X0)/HD(1,GPT,00A22FB8-1AFD-4A57-A426-F66E9B82A85A, 0x800 , 0x39CEF88)
(WARN) Unloading existing 'AMI NTFS Driver v0x10000'
[INFO] Starting NTFS driver service:
[INFO] TFSF Driver 1.7 (ntfs-3g 69d8cbc0)
[INFO] Opening target NTFS partition:
[INFO] Volume label is 'CCCOMA_X64FRE_IT-IT_DV9
[INFO] This system uses 64-bit x86 UEFI => searching for x64 UEFI bootloader
[INFO] Launching 'efl\boot\bootx64.efi'...
[INFO] starting Microsoft Nindows bootmgr...
[FAIL] Windows bootmgr encountered a security validation or internal error

Press any key to exit.

Then I tried to flash the bios again, thinking something went wrong somehow, but it gave me the same error. ChatGPT keeps telling me to disable the secure boot mode, but in the bios screen is greyed out and it won't let me modify it. I'll try to make a windows10 key with rufus in the meantime.

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>Spread Spectrum: Disabled
>ASPM: Disabled
>TSME: Disabled

>>109149833

>Windows bootmgr encountered a security validation or internal error

I'm pretty sure you need to disable secure boot.
Found these on ribbit that worked for some people:

>Enter the BIOS.
>Enable CSM, save and exit.
>The Secure Boot option will probably be available again.

Or:

> Instead of going into the bios, go into boot setup the F12 thing and that will allow you to go into bios with setup mode which allows you to disable secure boot

AI says:

>If it's greyed out, try setting an Administrator/Supervisor Password in BIOS first. Some AMI BIOSes only unlock Secure Boot options after a supervisor password is set.
>Save and reboot back into BIOS.
>Disable Secure Boot.
>Try the USB again.

Of course the BIOS itself could be fucky and you should try flashing in a previous version to see if it solves the issue.

Try any of those.

>>109149884
Based overclocker.

>>109149521
>high/ultra
Missing the point of X3D.

>>109150002
> Instead of going into the bios, go into boot setup the F12 thing and that will allow you to go into bios with setup mode which allows you to disable secure boot
This is what solved the issue. Thank you so much bro, I've been going in circle for hours like an idiot. Thanks to >>109149803 as well for replying me. Thanks guys.

>>109150033
yeah i know
seems like it's still scaling though, otherwise all of them would run at the same FPS

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>>109150076

Happy to have helped anon!

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i just boughted myself a 7800x3d and 32gb for 800 wait for the ram price crash soon anons!!! its always like that when i buy something expensive
after 15 years of being an intel fan i finally transitioned..

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>>109150076
>>109150115
Not to be nit picky since I had no hand in solving this issue. Isn't smashing the living shit out of F-8-10-12 like the most basic step of a reboot with equipment that is misbehaving.

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>>109150145
I also boughted a 9800x3D yesterday and 32gb ram for 800€. Once my free return window expires, the ram prices surely will collapse. Thank me later guys.

>>109150173
nigga

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better than PS6

>>109150191
PS6 isn't out yet and won't be out for a few years

turn on that amd-v iot retard

i just wasted the exact amount of money on my pc that i could have bought a ps5 and gta 6 with. i feel uneasy. give me some cope,please.......................

>>109150196
PS6 is going to be affected hard by the RAMapocalypse just like Steam Machine.

>>109150201
No.

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bought a 64gb (2x32) ram kit off ebay and it just came in. i got it from an ebay refurbished seller and it comes with a year warranty. i’m not rolling the dice at these prices.
yeah i know i have 2 different kits in my pc rn. they are both 3600 cl18 ram kits so fuck it.

>>109150196
PS6
Late 2027.
$999
Screen cap it.

>>109150208
gta6 will run like ass on the brick5

>>109150214
>Curved display
Ugh. . .
I hope your PC will serve you well.

>>109150218
so what? they are gonna play the game first and feel that hype with everyone else. also ill get spoilers and watch youtube on copium

>>109150225
its a crg9 5120x1440 monitor. its the only thing i think a curved panel makes sense with. and thanks anon. im really hoping this kit passes the tests. either way its a year warranty. its just a hassle dealing with it if it fails.

>>109150158
I went to F12 and tried to start the pendrive, but the computer kept either sending me back to that screen or to the bios one, so I just assumed it was in setup mode. I just panicked and went in circles as it never happened to me to have so many issues while doing a clear install.

>>109150226
You mean they will play the beta test of the game with inferior everything? Also haven't seen anyone ever say, they played gta for the story.

>>109150226
it will be on playstation now / xbox cloud. thats how pc players will play on day one.

>>109150246
i just bought a series s for 150 bux. you can run emulators in dev mode after that or sell it again.

>>109150208
gta6 will woke and many weak minded people will troon out as a result.

>>109150243
>played gta for the story
desu i do. not the story itself but writing. i love the dialogues and stuff, they are so fun. 5 had a lot of scorsese vibes
like i know that its a movie game and stuff but still fuckkkkkkk
>>109150246
>playstation now / xbox cloud
lol no way bro. why the fuck would they do that? so you dont buy a console and get them more money?

>>109150250
I had a dream that I had a xbox series x then I woke up

>>109150276
*nightmare

>>109149475
I bought an XFX on launch day, but really wanted one of the Sapphire ones with the spicy connector
So I got one of those a couple months later

>>109149436
> I feel like building a PC for fun
You chose the best time to do this.

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>>109149411
Wanted to briefly mention this:
You may have seen an article talking about this item in the image and how it's "like a Steam Machine, but better".
Unfortunately it appears to have been nothing more than a marketing stunt, the product page has been taken down and no one has been able to actually order it during the time the listing was up. The PC store in question may even be a scam, because it doesn't appear in the news before this thing briefly showed up.

>>109150307
the french are a bunch of niggers also
>8400f
thought that was an intel cpu for a second

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>>109149474
> 5070 TI super with 24gb VRAM
Will never see the light of day.

>>109149705
While they didn't line up the security slits (starting with the 2nd label), their inventory system surely matches that barcode to the current price.

The days of "free ps3 coupons" are well past.

>>109150214
You are so clever.

rtx and dlss4 on quality looks so good. fucking jeet haters cant even understand why is it good

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>>109150307
>>109150320
they also picked the wrong case

>list RGB DDR5 CL30 32GB Ram on local selling app ($250)
>40+ messages
>1/4 trying to trade, 1/2 are trying to pay $200-$225 max, the last bunch always want to meet up late at night
KEK. I'm not desperate to get rid of this Ram, It's been posted for a few months now but these people are genuine morons. It goes for $380 on ebay and I'm already giving these idiots a deal. Oh well, I guess the RAM will continue to rot in my snack drawer.

>High-end Nova lake CPUs will consume up to 474W
Wow, it's over before it even began.
>salsa?
https://wccftech.com/intel-nova-lake-dual-tile-cpus-reportedly-feature-up-to-474w-pl2-power-limit/

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>>109150507
it just feels better goy

>>109150514
It does just feel better. Mouse movements on Intel are instant. Mouse movements on AMD had chipset lag.

>>109150507
i vibe with that. they should release them around christmas.

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here is what i want so far. anything on here you guys want to shit on me for daring to pick? Anything on here that's going to explode into a fireball in 3 months?

>>109150522
>white background

>>109150522
>32GB DDR5 6400mhz
>$499.99
bomb israel

>>109150214
At conservative XMP values it should be fine, probably.
If they're the same IC type you can probably even tighten subtimings just fine.
Either way you should run a real memory test like TM5 absolut. Memtest86+ is more of a hardware failure test than a stability one.

>>109150507
~500w is what you see from totl server chips with 100+ cores
they have way lower clock but still, lmao

>>109150507
>why is my 52 core CPU pulling 474W?

>why is my CPU pulling 474W?
fify

>>109150507
>tears already
tears of joy for me
I've been waiting years for a giga nuke CPU that wasn't some threadripper bollocks

I can see the youtubers crying about power consumption already. So long as it rapes everything performance wise I will not give a single shit

Your move intel release the nuke

>so long as it rapes everything performance wise
KeK

> 3x 8-pin EPS Connectors
penis getting harder

Should I still disable/park the E-cores while gaming on a Raptor Lake chip, or is Windows capable of handing the scheduling correctly these days?

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>>109150574
forgot pic

>>109150578
Only if you need maximum low latency. Power saving features by nature cause latency.

>>109150578
for games disable them Arrow Lake is the one with good e-cores.

Is it even worth overclocking the 5800X3d anniversary edition or you do you just turn on PBO and call it a day?

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>>109150578
no reason to disable E-cores on RPL
use powersettingsexplorer to show hidden options and set windows to always prefer P-cores

>expect all Z990 to be 175W (44C/52C ready).
I'm gonna need a 2000W PSU. Good thing I can draw 3000W from the wall easily.

>>109149475
Bought one last months and I've been really glad with it.

>>109150594
>>109150589
>>109150590

Ty anons!

>>109150591
There is no OC for that CPU. If anything you should try to make it cooler.
But maybe it has significantly improved temps, but I doubt it.

If my CPU temps with a fan spinning at 1600 RPM is the same as with a fan spinning at 2400 RPM, what it stopping the 2400 RPM fan from cooling better?

Does it mean I need a thicker radiator for the AIO?

>>109150243
The story was pretty much the only good thing about GTA
The driving was alright too I guess
but anything else you did on foot was pure ass
Even my kiddie retard self who could be entertained by anything, playing SA on the PS2 thought the gameplay was ass

>>109150591
just like the 7800x3d or 9800x3d you only get +200mhz out of it which is barely anything. you get bigger gains overclocking the memory and infinity fabric.

>>109150591
Curve optimizer does wonders for it. But is a pain in the ass to get the most out of. You can be stable in all sorts of workloads then randomly come back to a restarted machine because it crashed on a core at idle.

Safe to say there will be no significant CPU improvements in the near future if they are releasing old tech

>>109150901
lol you get +0mhz out of it unless you have a board with an external clock generator
the 5800X3D is completely locked down, you can set curve optimizer offsets with PBO tuner from windows but that's it

>>109150910
>they are releasing old tech
That's just them being greedy and trying to capitalize on the fact people are buying more DDR4 now.

>>109150911
pbo is hard capped at 250mhz on all ryzens which nobody will ever god damn notice, but someone will notice a +400 mhz fclk increase.

>>109150932
>pbo is hard capped at 250mhz on all ryzens
the 5800X3D is hard capped at +0mhz
>but someone will notice a +400 mhz fclk increase
yeah of course
the bottleneck on all modern CPUs is memory
the fabric delivers data from memory to the cores
overclock that shit

>>109150901
>9800x3d you only get +200mhz out of it which is barely anything
My 9850X3D can get up to 5.7 GHz while being under volted.
Out of the box it's something like 5.2 GHz.
There's some decent head room for overclocking.

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who else is buying the 7700X3D?

>>109150955
you can buy a 7800x3d for 275 right now

>>109150955
>Higher price than 7800X3D ATM
Use case for 7700X3D?

I'm currently running DDR4 and I'm seeing 32gb of Corsair DDR5 for £300 on amazon. This price isn't going any lower right?

>>109151017
rumors say a lot of shit is about to jump up in prices very soon.

>>109151017
you should probably grab it, the pajeet chief of XBOX said that ram and ssds are gonna keep climbing all thru 2027

>>109151017
If anything if might get more expensive in the following months.

>>109151069
But then there will be a massive dip and DDR5 will basically be free.

>>109151076
Buy the dip chud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYH1ZC3sSYA
Linus seems really impressed by steam machine, outside of price and perf mostly because of the OS. And theres rumours about valve working with nvidia to perhaps fix nvidia drivers for steamos
valve lets amd dgpu users to install it. https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-4227
Would be fun to test it out if nvidia gpu stops being an issue.

>>109151093
>valve lets amd dgpu users to install it
you have to edit the install script if you want to install it on another ssd or even an sata ssd (because both the cube and the deck have only nvme ssds and the install script doesn't account for anything else)
just valve things and valve time

>>109150955
I'd consider it at $150.

>>109149461
I tried to install win11 from multiple usb sticks few weeks ago and it also failed similarly
no clue why disabling secure boot would've helped when its required for win11

What is the sweet spot for CL timings on the 5800X3D?

>>109151169
3600mhz cl16

>>109151169
3200cl14 2x16gb overclocked to 3600cl14

honestly, an insane upgrade, just wish the video showed native res fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlHT20790Y

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>>109151169
this is mine 2x32gb cjrs, 5700x3d

>>109151282
its already out for rdna2?

>>109151300
he's using optiscaler, technically the amd version should have better performance than thsi

is there any reason not to build a 9600x and 9070xt pc?

>basically the same cost as a rtx 5080 on its own
>cpu within 10% of a 9800x3d
>gpu within 10% of a 5070 ti (depends on the game, granted)

>>109151383
7800x3d is better

>>109151383
There is none, only Nvidia and Intel fanboys disagree.

>>109151383
eight real core or bust

>>109151398
>relative performance at 1440p
>9800x3d: 100%
>7800x3d: 97.2%
>9600x: 92.5%

absolutely it's better, but the 9600x is a lot cheaper. the 7800x3d is basically $500 where I live, and at that point I can get a 9800x3d for not much more

Is the 14900k still the king when it comes to 4k gaymen?

>>109151432
I think it's worth the price

>>109151440
It never was

>>109151440
it was never good.

https://x.com/i/status/2070356381757046825

Many such cases!

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I just haggled with a guy on Facebook and got a 32GB 6400MT/s DDR5 RAM kit for $250 USD. Down from $300

>>109151463
>posts a scam

300w 14900ks + 600w 5090 is literally the only way real gamers play.

>>109151463
why even bother with these retarded devices when you can just run an HDMI/BT connection to your living room?

This is completely unrelated but did they ever come up with a way other than "use a VPN" to bypass the pornhub block? I honestly can't be assed to use one just for tits.

I always figured some chromium or firefox extension would just be made that bypasses that shit. Or a workaround site that lets you access it

>>109151472
He got that shit from a microcenter bundle but had better RAM/ bought better RAM. I did the same thing, except I had to raise my price on Facebook marketplace from $250 to $500 since everyone was calling me a scammer.

I know everyone is all like "prices only go up"

Datacenters have big bucks and can afford to pay for innovative ram replacement technologies.

>it's 2028
>new build time
>Intel+Nvidia like always
>500w CPU
>600-800w GPU
>2kw PSU
>breaker trips on my shitty apartment
I've seen the future

>>109151525
nvidia was red all week, openai delayed their ipo, they are getting desperate, that's why they're releasing those statements, they have to keep pretending things are "bad" because that's how they get to charge you $500 for ram sticks that cost $70 to make, but the scam is already dwindling down

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The fact that RAM manufacturers have already been caught, tried, and convicted for price fixing/market collusion in the past on more than one occasion and are getting away with all this shit is wild to me.

>>109151474
>600w 5090
ngmi
800w is where it's at

>>109151530
maybe don't run prime95 and 3dmark at the same time

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>>109151530
More like
>it's 2028
>RTX 6000 series pushed back to 2030
>Intel and AMD are fully involved in only pushing server SKU CPUs
>Existing stock of hardware continues to dwindle on the consumer market
>RTX 5090 is $12k if it can be found at all
>the "fix" is presented by all major companies
>perma cloud computing for all services. Browsing, gaming, etc
>by 2032, owning a home PC and any local storage at all is seen as acient and archaic
>by 2035 it's illegal to have local storage and not having everything on a cloud server being scanned at all times by AI for wrong opinions and offensive memes
>Palentir uses its AI matrix to build a psych profile for you based on the contents of your data and communications
>Palantir uses their face tracking software to find you in real time
>You're drone striked on your way to work by the dedicated Palantir corpo representative currently in the Senate
Screencap this. We are all so fucked it's not even funny

>>109151584
by then ill just join our seamonkey bros and enjoy 10-15 year old hardware like nothing's changed

>>109151584
I'd rather defect to China/North Korea

>>109151547
I can't believe that you'd claim that nice asian men would commit crimes. That's a very racist opinion.

>>109151593
They aren't accepting gays.

>>109151588
I'm already on 8 year old CPU and a 6 year old GPU personally. What I want to do is buy a couple high capacity SSDs from a reputable brand while I still can, then sit on them for years. Tbh, I'm upgrading my PC soon and I fully intend to buy 2 of everything because I don't see prices coming down ever
>>109151593
>NK with zero technology and no electricity 85% of the time
>Implying China isn't already on this exact same path, just on fast forward compared to the US

China and the US both spy on their citizens, both use the government to crush dissent, and both fully intend to use AI to further entrench themselves. The only difference is China does it in the open, unapologectically using stolen hardare, software, and blueprints. The US lies that they're "totally not doing that, but if they were, it's for the good of the people to fight terrorists because they hate our freedom". And the US is using home grown shit.

>>109151623
this

>>109151547
It's not on them this time, it's the AI companies paying them billions to not make RAM for you. Sam altman and his ilk are so scared of competition they're paying RAM companies so that whatever competition is out there has no access to the hardware necessary to compete with them. If we had a competent government this would be prime grounds for a lawsuit against all AI and RAM manufacturers.

>>109151627
>dissent
4chan uses power to crush dissent too.

even with 4-5x higher vram prices it's still sensible to make 60xx gpus and simply make the mainstream cards around 12-16gb range and let people pay the difference if they want

Nvidia has all the resources it needs to make an interesting chip that doesnt rely on large vram amounts.

>>109151623
I'm not gay, I'm just a loser.
>>109151627
China still makes products for their citizens as opposed to us where the companies are now the citizens.

>>109151640
inb4 N3P/N2 costs too much and nvidia further cuts down gpu bus sizes to xx60 64bit, xx70 96bit, xx70ti 128bit and xx80 192bit and force proprietary neural rendering on game devs to not go over the limited vram sizes

>>109151640
Nvidia put all their eggs in the AI basket, dlss needs more vram, framegen needs more vram, multi framegen needs more vram, and whatever ai slop filter they come up with for 60 series will need more vram.

>>109151636
>If we had a competent government this would be prime grounds for a lawsuit against all AI and RAM manufacturers.
they're getting kick backs to not go against the plan. The competent goverment you're thinking of has never existed ever in the history of human kind
>>109151639
everywhere does. The difference is that before it was websites, certain services, etc. Things you could avoid and actively choose not to use if they didn't align with your beliefs. This is government wide with government levels of reach and spending. There's no avoiding it.
>>109151640
>Nvidia has all the resources it needs to make an interesting chip that doesnt rely on large vram amounts
Nvidia themselves doesn't care about RAM Amounts. If they could, they'd still be making cards with less than 4GB VRAM. It's developers and the games they're making. Game engines are only getting more bloated and less efficient as time goes on. Made even worse by the fact that AI coding is taking off which means even more bloat on top of the already inefficient programmers using said inefficient tool kits. Once upon a time, absolute wizards used to be able to dissect game code and logic, and drastically increase performance by optimizing things. More efficient use and implementation of code structures. Now it's all garbage slop pushed by retards.
>>109151642
>China still makes products for their citizens as opposed to us where the companies are now the citizens.
all of it mediocre trash AT BEST with zero official support from any major vendor and there's a reason everyone on Earth uses tech from mainstream companies like Intel/AMD/Nvidia.

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>>109151642
>China still makes products for their citizens
lmao

>>109151672
based
i can't imagine an american roastie having the physical strength to do that

>>109151672
>carrying a refrigerator
Like I said theyre making products for their citizens, meanwhile we'll soon be renting our refrigerators with the way things are going.

>>109151682
That's not how asian culture works.

They didn't even build the road, and you're like "wow they love their people they give them refrigerators (she carries them to her dad's appliance store)"

>>109151717
>they give them refrigerators
No my point is they can buy shit while we're constantly banned from buying shit for "national security".

>>109151722
>No my point is they can buy shit while we're constantly banned from buying shit for "national security".
not that anon, but what are you trying to buy that is banned for national security? A router? China gives zero fucks about its people. If they did, we wouldn't have the plethora of gore videos of some chinaman getting gibbed/crushed/gored by something with no safety standards. I get not being a dick rider for the US, but let's stop pretending China is anything but a place where 95% of it is shitholes and only their major cities have any relevance.

>we have gore
i wonder how "we" got it

Man I just can't justify building my own pc anymore. I really love the fact how efficient mini pcs are and self built machines can't compete here. My 5700u mini pc draws 10 watts idle and the performance is good enough for the games that I currently play. I remember back in ~2018 I had an AMD machine with an RX Vega 64 and it was drawing 100W idle and something like 350-400W when gaming.

I'm living in a country with exorbitant kwh prices (how could you tell?) so it does matter to me, even though I could afford running a powerful PC no problem. I'd just rather spend that saved money on running an air conditioner or buy a new mini pc with the savings every ~3-5 years.

I'm looking to get an AMD Ryzen AI9 HX 470 or just wait until next year for a new mobile processor to be released, as it would be a significant upgrade over the 5700u.

Thoughts?

it's undeniable that the west is in decline, this decade alone we had social media, into criptocurrencies, into betting, into AI, it's scam after scam after scam after scam
all of those things running the same underlying message: to get rich quickly doing nothing, providing no value to society, you get rich by convincing more fools on social media to believe they will also get rich if they "invest" into those things.
china banned or regulated all of those markets/scams, they make society worse, but we can't do anything in west about those false promises of wealth and they absolutely ruin people's lives

Wasn't Qualcomm planning to enter the high-end CPU scene with their snapdragons?

>>109151804
It's just more locked down ARM shit, also Qualcomm is instead selling CPUs to AI companies.

>>109151797
>I live in a shit hole country where power is a major consideration to my monthly spending so I need to justify a garbage tier PC
congrats I guess? Enjoy playing whatever 2D scroller game on your mini PC but let's not pretend it's good.

>>109151722
You can't buy Fable in China, due to national security :^)

>>109151797
Just turn your computer off when you aren't using it. Absolute state.

If you need a "downloading computer" or whatever, then you can find low power options, just for that.

>>109151797
i have an old eprimo with an i7 9700 and 32gb of ddr4 and a few harddrives that i use as an nas. it draws about 16w at idle. i could probably add a low power amd gpu to it and play factorio just fine on linux with it but i like wasting energy with my 7950x3d and 9070xt.

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you’ll get mad at me for saying this…but cloud gaming is so obviously more economically efficient than physical hardware I think it’s going to be the default soon.

your home console / pc is idle 90%+ of the day. meanwhile, data centers targets what, 5%, maybe at worst 10% idle.

every second a cloud gamer isn’t gaming, that hardware is being used for someone else, training, etc.

I think there should be a new measurement, something like cost-per effective FLOP hour that takes into account the TCO + effective utilization.

If a gamer spends $500 on a GPU, uses it for 3 years, but it’s only fully active ~5% of that period…the cost-per relative FLOP hour is crazy high! Meanwhile, a $50,000 datacenter GPU might have a *LOWER* cost-per FLOP hour just because the effective utilization is 90+%.

>>109151846
I had Stadia, but Google shut it down.

>>109151846
i like my gpu only computing things for me and not other men. sharing a gpu is icky

>>109151863
It's kind of funny in a way, the world seems to be going towards cloud gaming but stadia arrived too soon.

>>109151846
cloud computing and computing on a mass scale was and is always going to be "more efficient" than independent PCs in the home. however it's the trend that drives people away. It's literally the "You'll own nothing and be happy" in real time. No one wants to be on a perma subscription service. Not to mention being able to do anything really when internet is down. Or you're off grid. I own a cabin that's entirely off grid with its own solar array etc. I use starlink internet to do basic stuff while I'm there and it's OK enough for some online gaming, but extremely latency prone. There's already latency introduced with cloud gaming on fiber optic lines let alone something like starlink. I don't want to be tethered to a service.

>>109151846
I could make the same argument for women and communal breeding pens.

>>109151846
The problem is it's a terrible experience on most Internet. Yes, it's theoretically possible. Practically speaking, I can't even get non laggy gameplay in 4k in my own home with latest gen WiFi. I have run Ethernet before and it's still mediocre at 1440p. Nobody wants this

>>109151893
I felt like I was investing in my gaming future (buying games on Stadia) for when my network got fast enough it was good.

>>109151846
they are simply going to make hardware unobtainable for the middle class and poor people in order to chain them to a subscription, but the upper middle class will still be able to afford computers, cars, houses, no problem
poor people are just going to live with having no privacy at all/being the product

>>109151820
>I live in a shit hole country
>congrats I guess?
Welcome to Germany.
As I said, I could afford to run a desktop PC with good specs but I just don't see the point in wasting money for absolutely nothing.
>Enjoy playing whatever 2D scroller game on your mini PC but let's not pretend it's good.
Right now I mainly play guild wars 2 on lowest settings. It's good enough for that and the few old games I play.

I really don't care about latest AAA titles so for my current use case it's adequate. I do wish I had a bit more fps simply because reaching benchmark dps in gw2 can be iffy if you have unstable fps in encounters. I'm top 3 dps with the spec that I play and can bench 95% pretty easily, but I do desire more stable fps during some encounters.

I wish I could have both, low idle wattage and good performance when I actually need it. It seems like oculink would be a solution but from what I've seen, mini pc's don't support hot plugging egpus and you need to restart your machine. It's inconvenient and at that point I could buy a separate desktop machine and just boot it up for gaming. Same inconvenience, and I'm just not going to do that shit.
>>109151843
I use my computer almost 8-16 hours a day, when am I supposed to turn it off other than sleeping? Most of the workloads don't require much performance: browsing, reading, programming, office work... only with gaming I would like some more power and looking at the newer mobile cpu's with their integrated graphics it would be fine. Sometimes I game 8 hours or more, sometimes 2-4 hours, sometimes not at all. Sometimes I just launch up a game and play for an hour and go back to programming or something. In other words, the time when I would need some better performance, is really irregular, which is why on-demand performance would be best for my use case.

Always using a beefy desktop machine for all my computing, like I have done in the past, just doesn't make any sense at all.

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>>109150554
you think youre ready for it but you dont even know what you will need for it

>>109151797
UNSUB

>>109151949
computers have completely fine idle power consumption these days and it gets much better every generation, comparing it to using the air conditioner shows you have no idea how much power stuff consumes

>>109150554
>>109151952
that reminds me of the crazies on OC forums running their 7980xe's at 500-800W and still losing to the 200W 9900k in games

>amd is just going to release smol threadripper when intel releases their estrogen core cpu
>amds platform is going to have actual pcie lanes and be a proper high end workstation platform
i can't wait.

>>109151797
AC's are overrated. Don't fall the burgers propaganda.

>>109150507
I remember when intel pretended to care about efficiency.

>>109151969
>t. Euroid sweating and stinking in the summer heat
Imagine bragging about being a lesser country lmao.

>>109151929
It's going to be weird if that happens because then a lot of countries are going to be like how Brasil is when it comes to games. The ps3 and xbox 360 are still very popular here because its so cheap.

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Well?

>>109151969
>be an American
>need a sweater indoors
>have sex instead of wearing a sweater
>Being an American is GREAT

>>109151969
>Don't fall the burgers propaganda.
Don't you have a Muslim to go worship or something?

>>109151846
>https://x.com/lauriewired/status/2070898032762323262
Of course it's original content from a female jew, who woulda thought

>>109151992
what do you mean well? it's still a dogshit gpu.

>>109151797
>>109151949
Maybe this?
https://www.bosgamepc.com/products/bosgame-m6-hx370-ai-pc-radeon-890m-32gb-ddr5-1tb-pcie-4.0-ssd-mini-pc?sku=18072695090362020409404095

>>109151992
3070/3080 is a fine GPU to get if you're getting t for sub $150. $305 is insane when you can get an 8GB RTX 5060 Ti for like $350. you're still limited by the dog shit amount of VRAM, but at least with the RTX 5000 series, you're getting all the newest nvidia software suite tech

>>109151992
Its shit, might as well get a 5060

>>109151959
>comparing it to using the air conditioner shows you have no idea how much power stuff consumes
I'd only need to use an air conditioner to cool my place for a few weeks a year, whereas I use my computer daily for 8-16 hours.
How about you just ask instead of being an insufferable retard that makes dumb assumptions?

>>109152011
Why did the E.U. make DDR5 so expensive?

>>109152033
that's why amerikkka is paying Iran to stop attacking, because it's too powerful

>>109151949
just get a laptop with a dedicated GPU in it, even something like an RTX 5050. The windows power manager automatically turns the dedicated GPU on and off. Browsing etc would make use of the onboard Intel iGPU. Soon as it detects something like a game, should kick on the dGPU.
>>109152017
I honestly don't get why Germany insists on powering down all their own coal/oil plants, refuse to invest in Nuclear, go all in on volatile (at best) solar/wind, then continue buying their oil from Russia anyways. It's literally the worst of all worlds while giving unreliable power at sky high pricing.

>>109152033
strait status, mutt?

>>109152041
>go all in on volatile (at best) solar/wind
Retard

>>109151992
8G, is that like a new wifi standard?

>>109152033
Hey bro, we have the technology to fix our problems. It's called the Nicene Creed.

>Arianism holds that Jesus Christ was not coeternal with God the Father, but was rather created directly by God the Father before anything else, as the true Firstborn. Arian theology and its doctrine regarding the nature of the Godhead showed a belief in radical subordinationism,[8] a view notably disputed by 4th century figures such as Athanasius of Alexandria.[9]

I like the term subordinationism.

Just ban subordinationism. ie deport them.

>>109152045
solar and wind are completely fine as supplementary power sources. Same with hydro. using it as a backbone is retarded and that's how you end up with the exact problem I described in Germany. They're not the only country.

>>109152039
>>109152042
1. 300 billion is nothing to America. Being worth 300 billion doesn't even put you in the top 100 companies in America. The fact you think it's a lot just shows how brown you are.
2. You aren't getting paid anything, we're just going to keep bombing you. You're too stupid to stop fighting and attacking everything.
3. Your entire country is in ruins, every military base is gone, all of your top leaders are dead. What clown world are you living in where you think you're winning anything?

>5800x3d
>3090
Be honest bros, how much longer can my rig last for? Having to spend thousands to upgrade to a new am5 platform is not on my to-do list in the future.

>>109152042
The USA doesn't actually rely on the strait for its oil. But india and some asian countries do.

Another problem is that these past few months there has been a drone/missile offensive by Ukraine against oil/gas in Russia. This is a lot of added pressure.

The whole thing is a mess I'm not interested in, but the main point is actually oil is like those games that have multiple in-game currencies and you can't really convert them.

>>109152059
am5 will only be worth upgrading to during the zen 7 launch, and probably like 1 or 2 years after the launch because prices will still be high by then

>we don't actually need the strait
kek

>>109152059
>how much longer can my rig last for?
Probably until tomorrow.

>>109152068
Why are browns so inhumanly stupid?

>>109152041
>don't get why Germany insists on powering down all their own coal/oil plants
It starts with a J and ends with a w

>>109152059
As someone with a 9900k and 3080, you have plenty of time if your use case is realistic. I play at 1440p, around 85fps in modern AAA single player titles with a mix of medium and high settings. Sometimes high/ultra depending on the title. you also still have access to the DLSS and upscaling technologies that have only gotten better over time. VRAM is the least of your worries, and you have no CPU bottleneck.

You will eventually hit a wall with support though depending on the software. Similar to how Windows 11 required TPM 2.0 to even install, the market eventually reaches a point where you NEED to upgrade.

>>109152052
How to write as a leftist, a child, or a woman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdLojNoLkiI

>>109152059
just spend the $30 or so to repad and repaste your 3090 and it will be good for another 5-10 years

>>109152059
forever

Has Intel made any progress with their GPUs? Like to the point you would recommend them over an AMD or Nvidia mid-range card.

>>109152104
no. they only make ai gpus now.

>>109152104
their B580 is a 12GB 1440p capable GPU for like $300-ish brand new right now. They're actually quite alright. Game support is hit and miss though because of how little market share they have. Linux support is almost non existent. If you're on windows though, it's not a bad choice.

>>109152008
Yes, I was thinking about something like this but I'm not sure yet. I was also looking around for a small form factor pc that could slot a gpu but has a modern mobile cpu in it.
>>109152041
>The windows power manager automatically turns the dedicated GPU on and off. Browsing etc would make use of the onboard Intel iGPU. Soon as it detects something like a game, should kick on the dGPU.
Thanks, and you make a good point about power management. Power management of GPUs is something I'll look into. Honestly, something like a mini pc with a pci lane for a gpu would be perfect if I can power down the gpu and just use the integrated one when I'm not gaming.

>>109152041
>honestly don't get why Germany insists on powering down all their own coal/oil plants, refuse to invest in Nuclear, go all in on volatile (at best) solar/wind, then continue buying their oil from Russia anyways. It's literally the worst of all worlds while giving unreliable power at sky high pricing.
Forgot to respond to this: because our government is retarded. What else can I say.

germutts would be totally fine using russia's cheap gas but decided to be little goyslaves to their mutt masters and support the stupid ukraine war, which only exists to expand the mutts sphere of influence all the way to russian borders
europeons deserve all the shit they get, and mutts deserve to be little goys for their masters in israel at the end of the day

>>109152125
Leftism should simply be prohibited, because it is by nature unreasonable and unaccountable.

>>109152125
Oh and another thing, meddling in the politics of another country necessitates meddling back.

At this point the American right realizes it has to achieve global victory and basically all its policies everywhere, otherwise there will be centers of guerrilla influence in those countries acting against the USA.

Put differently, you have to be made to be us, so we can be allowed to be us.

>>109152152
But I thought Russia was the good guys?

>>109152156
it's achieving global humiliation by losing the conflict against Iran that the little goys fought in behalf of their israeli masters

>>109152152
you wanna know something funny. even the incompetent weimar republic had a better economic strategy than the current government there and that was after losing a war and surrendering. how do you think they got back so fast?

i boughted the 5800x3d but i feel kind of stupid goypilled about it now....

https://x.com/i/status/2070550148321595774

If the steam machine is so shit, why does the Dorito Pope want one?

>>109152170
I'm on the side of Christianity, not muslims or jews.

>>109152182
who the fuck is that now?

>>109152179
I bought the anniversary edition, but I didn't really have much alternative. The moment I go towards the am5 platform, everything is going to be expensive.

>>109152171
Merkel had it right, she built the nordstream and gave access to cheap energy for the german industry, but then she and her party were fully on board of this retarded war and subsequent germany government literally saw USA blow up nordstream and done nothing about it, and keep supporting the war that was crafted by the americans to enlarge their sphere of influence, so yeah, you're fucked until you rebel against the americans which I don't believe is going to happen any time soon

>>109152170
>by losing the conflict against Iran
Why do you subhuman browns always ignore this >>109152057

Your shithole control is burned to the ground. How do you think you're winning?

>>109152179
could be worse, you could be one of those retards that have a 9070 xt

>>109152185
you're on the side of being a doormat to the israelis and you're doing a job at it

>>109152195
I'd like to think that the USA was testing Germany's loyalty. By blowing nordstream up and Germany doing literally nothing, the USA knows Germany will never turn against them.

>>109152208
Why do browns have jews living rent free in their head every waking second of their lives? I can say with 100% confidence I've never thought about jews ever.

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>>109152182
>https://x.com/i/status/2070550148321595774
Thanks, I just checked.

I am in the queue for one of the models...

...did anyone get multiple tickets? I just got one confirm.

>>109152208
democracy isn't real.

I saw it mentioned ITT already but I'm going in on an Intel ARC B580. I got my hands on an Intel branded one for $265. New old stock that was rattling around my local best buy. I'm going to pair it with an intel i5-12400F, 32GB DDR4, and motherboard combo I got from putting stuff together on eBay. Will report back with 1440p performance. The CPU/mobo/RAM combo cost me $300. Around $600 after taxes/shipping for this combo doesn't seem like a terrible deal.

>pre-builts are cheaper than building your own
Ah I see we are back to covid era """"pc building""""".

>>109152197
you literally had to beg for them to stop launching missiles because you're running out of interceptors to defend your masters and you went there to give them 300 billions or they'll float the oil prices to $100 the barrel which will inevitably implode your economy with the fed raising rates to fight the inflation
and they bombed 2 bases today and u're not going to do anything about it, watch

what are the potential negatives of running my 2160p monitor at 1440p?
I've seen something like bad response times if your fps is not close to the monitor's maximum refresh rate, but are there any other potential downsides?
or running it at 1080p ultrawide? I assume there would be black bars on the top/bottom in that scenario.

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>>109152268
>in a market where all but the largest companies are being priced out, large companies are able to build/sell PCs for cheaper than the consumer
Whoa, no fucking way.

they should call this "war" the "weekend conflict" because anything more would put the americans into a ression.

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>>109152237
what is this and why should I buy it?

>>109152283
Microcenter isn't a large company, Mr. Goldberg.

>>109152281
depending on the physical screen size, the resolution may look fuzzy. The sweet spots for resolution:screen size is No more than 24" for 1080p, no more than 27" for 1440p, and no more than 32" for 4K. You can technically force 1440p on 32", but you'll notice individual pixels. As for ultra wide, why would you ever unless the monitor is an ultra wide?
>>109152299
compared to the average consumer it is. They have stores all across the US. They also own their own company (PowerSpec) to make their own PSUs, cases, fans. They also work hand in hand with Inland for Microcenter specific SSDs. It's not a mystery they're able to make PCs for cheaper than the average consumer can build it for.

>>109152284
>into a ression.
Learn to spell, brown.

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>even /pcbg/ is turning into /pol/
Fucking kill yourselves holy shit

>>109152317
shit happens when there are stupid mutts around. last year they destroyed their uranium. this year they are about to build a nuclear bomb. make it make sense.

>>109152311
>>109152324
Why do you keep trying to pretend every single one of your military bases isn't destroyed? Why do you try to pretend your entire air force isn't gone? Why are you trying to pretend all your ships aren't sunk?
I genuinely don't understand how you think you're "winning" here.

Here's a better question. Why did you randomly start seething about America in this thread?

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>Pol/PCBG crossover

i eat beef lil bro

>>109152328
Don't forget how they have 2000% inflation on their dollar. And how they are burning and dumping all their oil because they can't get it out of the country.

>>109152317
it's all so tiresome. especially since all discourse is based around misunderstanding and being disingenuous.
will the world ever stop being fake and gay?

>>109152290
gemma knows what x-plane is. it uses blade theory something to calculate the thingies.

How often have they already won again?

>>109152347
It's so weird how there are paid IRGC shills on /g/'s /pcbg/ of all places. This schizo >>109152352 went totally nuclear over America and jews for no reason at all.

>>109152347
hi, can you explain the misunderstanding? Is it about micron and their prices?

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>>109152361
depends what the topic is. what's wrong with micron's prices?
businesses doing business with other businesses is a problem?

>>109152379
Well, it's market failure when prices rise but output doesn't increase.

>>109152386
demand has exceeded production capacity. prices typically rise when demand exceeds supply.

>for no reason at all

>>109152397
Correct. Did the basic English confuse you?

>rapid pol shitposting
>Just in time for a new amd pcbg to be created
Something smells

>>109152410
both sides pay poos to advertise for them. quit falling for their brand war marketing like a retarded goyim.

>>109152410
i have an nvidia gpu tho

>>109152410
>Something smells
Brown stuff tends to smell.

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>>109152396
muh market gods muh Mercury lord of finance

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>>109152434
>>109152396
sorry, meant this image

>>109152434
did you propose to your llm? that's adorable.
>>109152437
yes I know they shifted production to datacenter because consumer was sitting at bargain bin clearance deals for months before this happened.