CD editionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/>/iemg/'s Journal:https://iemgazette.pages.dev/>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/>Measurements:https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>109109230
How many retards fell for this shit geeeg.
>>109150079funny how he got mad at chu2shills lololololprops to him for being the longest enduring schizo
>>109150137The real revolution of chinkshit was actually getting what you think you're getting for a cheap price. Every moderately know cheap non-chink IEM was faked.
>>109150079putting two recommendations on peqdb and them either being $7 chinkbuds, or lcd 5's is hilarioushe really makes redditors lose their minds with his rage baiting
>>109150079Meanwhile, I have two brand new, unused pairs. One 3.5mm (S10) and one USB-C (N20U).
was checking back on amps i/anons use to recommend for that anon in the last threads. Anyways i rechecked apos audio and my god they have so much shit now, it's like drop before corsair raped it to death, nothing i will be buying but its crazy how much is on there now, even if it's a lot of chink shit
>when you aren't using a pos that's unusable outside just because a jeet told you to
>>109150079I unironically bought 2 pairs(they are good)
>>109149638>you don't need audiophile gear to listen to dnbthis. neurofunk is my entire library and I simply use my dongle as both a desktop and portable amp so really what it comes down to is what flavor iem I'm in the mood for at any given moment. >>109149644it's not social skills that's your problem, you take yourself way too seriously.
>>109150868>it's not social skills that's your problem, you take yourself way too seriously.no i dont my mom says im a good boy
>>109151070>my mom says im a good boyshe knows you listen to paul oakenfold and not carl cox, she's just being nice
>>109150868I feel like a lot of neuro is a bit busy and try not have those in my audio testing playlisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmLHhbc5wiYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwpery7WSAEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suPgRyRLVC4
>>109151426I would neverI listen to japanese women sing mostly, mostly..
>>109149284Deadbeef on your 10 year old thonkpad
>>109151512>"neuro is the fun-free culmination of jungle's strategy of cultural resistance: the eroticization of anxiety."the dnb you like is for you and the dnb I like is for me. you're right about neuro being pretty busy. it's also dense, hyper focus on subbass. if you want any recs sometime, just ask
>>109151834I like neuro, it's part of my library, I just wish more neuro didn't forget the funk in neurofunk, more commonly I see producers focusing on good sound engineering than the groove or musical elements, and they stuff they play live is basically a mosh pithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpvE4nB2Z6ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpiHlrbqKKohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBcQvoJfRg4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTyEnVO3LMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKYfTUTwowkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5Kh7ZYiwA>the eroticization of anxietygood descriptor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7-P04mMZBE
>>109152521tldr: reality is exhausted by what can currently be objectively measured and if it can't it doesnt matter or isnt real. looking forward to consciousness videos
>>109152140insideinfo is great.mefjus is great.phace is great.current value is great.it's basically a genre made almost exclusively with one plugin. all the kicks and snares are made from the ground up in Serum along with FM modulation+resampled bass.
>>109152872forgot to say- noisia is sick too
>>109152872>it's basically a genre made almost exclusively with one plugin. That's my problem with it, it all sounds kinda same-y. Riddim is where all the sound design experiments happen right now. I mean, what else are you supposed to do in a genre without melodies.https://soundcloud.com/automhate/automhate-retro-nsd-vol-7https://soundcloud.com/joreii/toy-box
>>109152724I guess reality didn't exist until we started measuring it.
>>109153183I'll check those out. But really the point is subjectivity. Nothing more, nothing less. >what else are you supposed to do in a genre without melodies.Understandable. To me, so much resolve is too comfortable. Too safe, over-explained, emotionally obvious, too eager to please.I prefer transformation over resolution and that's why I moved on from Hospital and Ram records, eg. Sub Focus, Culture Shock and mainstream dnb that never really felt like I was existing in the tracks as I listened to them.
>>109152889Remember when they tried making halftime?https://youtu.be/Pgo4INOoZ6E
Ivy Lab still does it better though https://youtu.be/gbf7tBiaBBo
simps, time to feed our snorlax
>>109154801does the gold plating increase techs?
it's too warm to wear my 1000 bucks headphone
>>109155461Your AC, bro?
>>109155461This is why you have in ear monitors.
>>109155461Your speakers, bro?
iPhone speakers are better than any IEM.
>>109155742Mogged by fox IEM.
>>109154638goddamn Ivy Lab is good too. look into Circuits and QZB. Both are also dnb supergroups with diamond-in-the-rough-type releases.
roseselsa aurora ultra not a bad deal. got it for like $20 last sale. usable dongle, good liquid silicone tips, decent hard case, pos sounds fine. casual bassy v-shape
>>109156494alc5686 dongle is pretty bad for seamless / pop-free listening. lots of artifacts when sounds start playing from silence. if music is continuously playing it's fine
>>109155742dont be one of those jackasses who listen to music in the bus or rhe metro with their phone speakers
>>109157109>musicI listen to the hitler speech
>>109157109>in the buswhat's your first language? and why don't you have your own vehicle?
>>109150067>• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30I got these based off this general, they sound fine but they're super quiet. In a loud city environment I have to crank the replay gain in my music player but anything streaming is a lost cause.Any recs for something similar that's louder?
>>109157169just turn volume normalization off, or use EQ to make it more V-shape, or just buy bunny dsp
>>109157169get a dongle, or basically any other iem. whatever you are plugging into doesn't have enough power. other chinese iems are usually more sensitive (get louder)
>>109157193>get a dongleSony IER-EX15C is already USB-C desu
>>109157178already off, and tried it. I've never had this problem with other cheap earbuds but this is the first phone I've had where I'm forced to deal with USB-C so idk if that has something to do with it.>>109157193I was doing dongle + 3.5mm earbuds for a bit but I just hate having to deal with a dongle, pretty much the whole reason I went with these. When I was dongling though the random cheap earbuds I'd get from CVS were plenty loud, which leads me to thinking these ones in particular are just quiet. If nobody has a rec today I'll just order some other random shit off this list
to the /hpg/ refugeescancelled the ETA Ulis, had to move for work we usin the money on a house instead LOLXBA-Z5s are now my main daily driver until I find cheap YH-C3000s and return to the headphone world, but I love these IEMs like no other. Tempted to get Chu2s or the cheap bassy fatfreqs down the line when the XBAs finally die, but they've held up for a hot minute
>>109150868Also wording this, I have an expensive Amp/DAC to drive stuff but use my BTR15 for a lot of stuff and its fantastic. You really don't need more unless you know you're gonna own hard to drive shit, and even then dongles are gradually getting better and more powerful at that.
>>109157228nigga bunny DSP and zero ultima are USB-C and will be loud af
>>109157481ty anon, gonna order the zero. the bunny shit looks ridiculous
>>109155526mmmm sweaty canalsmmmm wet ear wax
>>109156517You got broken one or it's one of those ones that are integrated with the iem cable. Mine is better than any cx31993 shitter on the market.
>>109157169KBear KW1, if you can even find them.
what's the QRD on these? Looking for basshead IEMs but suspect they'll bleed a bit into the mids with that mid/upper bass
>>109157816Maybe clean your ears once in a while?Sweaty canals is something I never had to deal with.Because I'm not sweating while listening to something.Unless you go to the gym or for a run in which case listening to something else other than your immediate background can prove to be dangerous.
>>109158735If you want meat in the bones then you do want midbass presence. They look interesting. Nice bass but recessed upper mids may prevent vocals from shining. But still, some might prefer a dark bassy signature.
>>109159089mostly be using it for DnB and ambient so that was my read on it too, ty for confirming I can actually read FR and won't troll myself on this one
>>109159089>>109159101an iem can have "midbass presence" on a graph, but it's still entirely track dependant. a song could have too much and you could easily blame it on the gear, or it could have too little and still it's too easy to blame it on the gear.
>>109159125won't it be a common knowledge if track has too much or too little midbass presence?
>>109159360not necessarily. the common consumer doesn't cross-reference tracks across multiple systems and they definitely do not check frequency spectrums of any given track to understand the baseline either.it's too easy to make assumptions too soon that are hard to change our mind on later is what I am clarifying.
thinking about getting <1k headphones, outdated idea? been out of the market for a while, are iems the way? i have about 700-800 dollars budget preferably, was going to get some hifimans or something
I miss ye olden days of my Sansa mp3 player. Are an echo minor with tsnchjim zero Ultima dsp earbuds an okay approach to relive the experience? I don't need the best dac or earbuds, I just want comfy and slightly sturdy
>>109160062Aren't kilobuck headphones/iems well past the point of diminishing returns?
>>109160062get mirph-1
>>109160062moondrop para 2, moondrop skyland or cosmo if u have good amp, if not maybe something like aune ar 5000 mk2
>>109160062can you give us even less information so we can recommend something
Lost the left side of my beloved tin t4, fell off and went into a manhole one day, fml. long due for an upgrade anyways. >50-100$>music and youtube while doing litterally anything, they will take alot of commuting abuse>I like V shaped usually, But want a tinge more of bass. >tin t2, tin t4, Theyre good, nice clarity. I kinda want somthing with more "Oomph" now, Im using gifted jeetpod pro 2s nowadays while I shop around and i find myself sort of liking their tuning. But I miss my wire. Plus my main music device is a sony a17 for years so its not like i have the best DAPthank you saars
weeb here, female jap vocals + cigarettes are all I live for heard syzygy's the grail for folks like meif I did get it what dac n portable amp would be best?
sex with 2b
>>109160062He400se with EQ if you love music, hd6xx if you hate music. Maybe check out more expensive planars too.
buy Hexhttps://youtu.be/4qS_yXm8N5s
>>109160920sorry, had to crash after posting. yes, but whats the point of money if you dont spend it, and not much other pleasures in my lifeand honestly 1k isnt so bad, gets a lot worse after it>>109160921>>109161180thanks for recs. gonna get one of these most likely, cant be arsed falling into the rabbit hole>>109161875my bad anon. figured after this price point the options reduce significantly. just wanted some general recommendations honestly, lazy of me>>109162662wait can you tell me what you mean, i own hd6xxs and despise them (still use them constantly)
yo dawg we heard you like dacs so we put 8 dacs in your dac so you can digital to analog convert x8 while you digital to analog convert
>>109163658Fucking slop.
>>109163658>he doesn't have a multicore dac
i've been completely out of the loop with chifi for about 2 years and am wondering wtf is up with r2r designs being common in otherwise normal dacs these dayswhat exactly are they saying about this stuff to make people think it's better than a traditional delta-sigma dac? it's the most basic possible dac design that they teach you in year 1 of electrical engineering college just to illustrate the concept. it just becomes expensive to implement in audio because the manufacturing tolerances for the resistors have to be really tight with that resolution of input datai know you can sell any kind of design to the high-end market where people are just curious and/or delusional about the merits and demerits of different designs, but it's weird to me that a lot of companies' dacs/dac-amps that are mid-range in terms of features are seem to be exclusively r2r right now
>>109163795it's another product to sell and make profit.
>>109163436BA pos, avoid.>>109163646>can you tell me what you mean, i own hd6xxs and despise themI think you know exactly what I'm talking about.
>>109163795>wtf is up with r2r designsR2R in the 21st century are nothing more than glorified low-pass filters. >>109163817wow...so insightful and esoteric. with every fiber of my being, thank you for your wisdom, anon.
>>109163795The goyim think different means good.
>>109163817yeah but i'm curious what the discussion/reception of these products has been like for r2r to be like a "normal" option now in the lower price range as well. i'm in the market for a new dac/amp for my pc and there have been multiple models i've had to pass on where the feature set is appealing but for some reason they only offer an r2r architecture version. like if half of all cheap amps on the market had a tube stage you can't bypass.
>>109163892https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fiio-dm15-review-portable-cd-player.70043/
>>109163916>physically smaller and has more features than their cheaper player>but deliberately uses a worse dac than the cheaper player>not sold in any configuration with a non-novelty dacexactly what i mean. depressing. no surprise that asr hates it but maybe we can infer that it has no negative effect on sales?
why is epz g10 so good, bros?
>>109163966it's not. >>109163877>BA pos, avoid.why did you buy a BA pos, then?
>>109164081>he doesn't know
>>109163963Amir has 20 people max on his forums now because everyone else is mad they got burnt buying Topping AIOs which last a year tops before crapping out. What ASR likes is pretty irrelevant when they think SINAD past 110 actually impacts performance. Its just the horseshoe of power cable niggers.What the other dude said, r2r is just a low pass filter in current year. It doesn't impact the sales here because most dudes buying a CD player in 2026 believe more in audiophile magic, so they think the r2r is gonna make it sound like the 80s and 90s lol.
>>109164546you're replying to the anon that will criticize ASR in one post, then use it as an example to "infer" from in the next. hope this helps
Why did they make the cable for the Pure silver color instead of black? It's looks too faggy. It wouldn't be that bad if it was just gray without the glitter.
Should I buy a calibrated AKG EO-IG955 for $100 or wait for the PEQdB Reality ?
>>109165043EO-IG955 was good back in 2017, nowadays even the fucking $5 EDC Pro is incomparably better
>>109150067What color do I go for bros?
>>109165043>calibrated AKG EO-IG955how does it come pre-calibrated? and the answer is no.
>>109165269i have gold and it looks nice but i use included TPU case (bad quality btw). Without it device is really slippery. Be sure u want headphone jacks on top, it gets in my way more than i thought it would be, on other side as a line out output into my desktop amp its better than jacks on the bottom
thoughts on the KZ ZST X?
>>109165043You will buy a fake IG955.You will not measure it.You will EQ it to a dogshit jeet target.And you will convince yourself it sounds good.
nice buds!
>posts this>immediately after uploads a video collab with Zeosare the Headphone Show dudes just giga raped at every turn? They cannot keep their stories or ideologies straight
>>109165269gold mogs>>109166307did you look at any of the cassette cases?
>>109166591Amazing
>>109166617nope, u can use casette mode (and ipod mode they added not so long ago) without it but desu they are useless, fine for few minutes of playing around but they really lack basic functionality.Ive look at leather cases and might pull the trigger on them, there is official one and 3rd party ones on aliexpress. TPU is fine but in places around headphone jacks and usb c ports on top and bottom TPU is really thin and in my case it warped and its floping around. Another thing: anoying clicking when you jump between songs with different sampling rates. Problem is solved by using power amp instead of stock fiio music app. Poweramp makes quick volume fade out fade if u jump to next song so there is none of that clicking sound
>>109166659any reason you went for gold over blue or even black out of curiosity?
>>109166673i went with gold because i had really good deal on it on Hifigo and gold was only color option they had in storage at that time. But i really like how it looks. Sometimes darker anodization on aluminium feels like chalk in hand so I was skeptical about buying the darker versions.Its not that gold desu, in bad lighting its more like skin color or off white bone color, in light backplate feel more gold but metal frame around reminds me of old rose gold macbooks, it has that sligh shine of pink in it. Included TPU case was grey color. Without it device is so slippery that it can slide off a flat table without any external input.
>>109166566You will never be a man
>>109166724Man that looks so hot
the state of the hobby
mine has this marble thing going for it that shifts with viewing angles. it might look better with a less metallic and warmer color like the m21 though
>>109166882>>109166673>>109166617here is photos with better lighting and quality not eaten up by comunicator. Color is pretty simillar what i see, for me its more of a light sand - yellowish bone white color, something like that.Sometimes if lighting is correct, with correct angle that gold starts to pop bit more, frame have hint of pink like old rose gold macbooks for example.
any EQ tips? how do I know when it sounds good?
>>109167700Depends, try playing a fps and see if you can notice where everyone is based on sound.
>>109167700first fuck up your sound to know what sounds BAD add +-5 dB filters and listen to how sound changes.look up good test tracks so you know it's not your fucked up tracks.tho without a proper reference it might be complicated.for IEMs try to find your length mode with sine swipes. if it's around 6-7k you might want to add a bit of bass and lower treble, if it's like 8-9k it's the opposite - lower bass and add treble. It's not 100% but in general deeper fit lowers treble and increases lower frequencies.
>>109152140>I like neuroSame
Hot take, a good sounding device does not need an equalizer.
>>109168344Liking something without EQ is a skill issue.
>>109168344if you can find one which you probably can't
>>109168425no one who listens to iems without eq thinks what theyre listening to is good sounding so he probably wont either
>>109168322>>109167861thanks fren
>>109168344NooOOoOo ! Length MODeeeSssSsSssInsertion DepthhHhHh
>>109161950sobs... gais.. please....
anyone got a rec for spinfit w1 except the center doesnt immediately get loose and fall off? tired of digging these tips outta my ears but theyre the only ones with the right sound for these johns
r8 the techs
>>109168344Agreed. I'm baffled at all the bait advice given in here.>>109167861>>109168322>>109168362>>109168432
check your techs goys, only R E A L musichttps://youtu.be/pU3retvicdk
>>109169519speaking of Current Valuehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cvGVnaP358https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1NmnfsiyyA
what does /iemg/ think of Kiwi Ears?? anybody here own any of their iems?foxzo's opinion absolutely not accepted.
>>109169612linsoul/thieaudio's cheaper brand, it's good
>>109161950>>1091690177Hz Elua Ultra and Artti R1 are often on sale on aliexpress. decent examples of sub bass and mid bass. maybe one of the various ~$100 juzear iems but idk haven't heard them
>>109169049what iem matters. with smooth nozzle it'll keep happening. wipe your skin oils from the tips and iem. if it's a very skinny nozzle, then spinfit neo. includes an adapter for skinny nozzles. or make your own poorfag adapter/solution with small o-rings, string, etc.
>>109169612just going by brand is not advisable. they have absolute duds you should avoid like Forteza, Quartet, and others, but also some decent sets.i own Quintet, HBB Punch, and Orchestra Lite.
so, like i saw something pretty cool but quite pricey in a second hand shop. if it's still there and available in a week, i'll get it and show you guys.gonna end up using my whole july audio budget on it.
>>109169640thx. I never knew that. I'm sure some of their models utilize some of the more expensive implementations of thieaudio, hence a certain value proposition I am after. >>109169710I asked a pretty general question. only a dumbass would ask/assume, "should I pick any random iem from X company?"I am curious what your experience with those three are though. There has to be a reason you kept going back to the brand and that's very enticing to me.
Guise I have a very dumb question. My IEMs came with a S/M/L kit of tips I can use because they have a groove inside, and a S/M/L kit of tips I can't seemingly use because the bore is very narrow and doesn't have the groove. What are those for? I tried putting them on, but they're too narrow and I'm afraid of breaking something.
>>109169750>There has to be a reason you kept going back to the brand and that's very enticing to me.No, incorrect assumption. I wouldn't speak highly of any of those IEMs. They have decent qualities in some aspects, but none are overall top picks or IEMs I regularly pick up to listen to. This is coming from someone with many choices though.
>>109169757silicone stretches a bit, but if it's too narrow to fit it's too narrow bro what do you want us to do about it
>>109169769Let's say you had a bland experience with the first two..why'd you go for them a third time? Or did you get them all at once?
>>109169835i own many iems. i don't discriminate by brand, i focus on the individual model. they interested me for various reasons so i bought them at different times.
>>109169842>i focus on the individual model.this is my approach. I already know what specific model I want at this point, and this is taking into consideration other models from other brands.. I was just curious of what people thought of the brand as a whole.I'm glad for you not getting the Singolo. ewww
>>109149741My K9 Pro ESS came in a day earlyChecking prices again, 660S2 is $449 CAD ($317 USD) ATL which to me seem like a pretty good price.>>109149733First time I bought 660S2 I didn't like it, their advertised sub bass extension wasn't really there and returned it. When I bought it a second time it woke up from schweepy time because I had access to a different amp. I'm convinced you just need something to drive these goyheisers.I got this K9 Pro ESS brand new from Fiio Direct on Amazon for $449 USD, apparently this is their clearance run because they have a new flagship now.I'm still keeping my expectations in check, I'll try it out after I clean out my current amp. If it sucks ass, I'll be sure to say so
>>109169612I have the Cadenza 2, pretty solid iem for the price.
>>109165043you should buy it. It's endgame.
>>109170227mogged by my EA500LM
>>109169612dont have anything glowing or negative to say about the ones i have, which are the cheapo ones. they're the iems of all time, i guess.well, i paid like 20 kangaroo bucks for the belle and for that price, far exceeded my expectations.
>>109170461>2DD 1BAWhat do you like about your Forteza? Kind of an interesting driver combination. I'm looking into of their hybrids
>>109169612Obsoleted by fox IEM.
>>109150137He has a very long beef with it, he boiled his pair after failing to EQ its treble.>the so-called audio scientists when you have to EQ by ear
>>109169612Botching the Serene as bad as they did makes me think all of their shit is trash
Are earbuds or bullets better for riding the bike? (not around cars, I dont ride in da streets) I dont own any flatheads or bullets but have to use one of these because the earhooks are annoying on the phone an they get stuck on garbage
>>109170825earbuds are better for situational awareness, but the chi-fi ones in the OP, depending on your ear shape, the fit might not be very secure
>>109170825>>109170850would unironically recommend apple earpods to hear your surroundings while also having a stable fit, and they sound rather good among flat-style earbuds (having tried a lot)though honestly wearing things without earhooks for physical activity is pretty annoying, you get lots of microphonics from the cable knocking against your body
>>109170936wow I didn't think of that ok i'll stick to ear hook iems then. That would be more annoying than iems getting stuck on wires or table. Idc about situational awareness much since its just an empty field, high visibility
Are 3.5mm ports objectively always going to be a single ended connection? It is literally impossible for a 3.5mm port to be balanced right? If you had a 4.4mm balanced cable but use a 3.5mm adapter
>>109171019All you need for a balanced connection is 4 wires. TRRS 3.5 can be balanced. It is used on shanling m0 pro.
>>109171019to get into the weeds there are technically some balanced 4-pole 3.5mm jacks, but it's very very rare to see. if you're using a cable to plug your 4.4mm balanced earphone into a 3-pole 3.5mm jack, it's a single-ended connection.
>>109171029>>109171044My idiot relative is trying to convince me his Hiby R6 II Pro is balanced by using a balanced cable but use a 3.5mm adapter
its over for hex garbage iemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0X8IYDfI30
>>109171066Well he's retarded then.
>>109171029Actually I just checked and shanling has a weird ass 5 pole 3.5. To somehow combine balanced and unbalanced in one. Still, technically you only need 4, like on 2.5 balanced.
>>109170728ngl, I automatically feel a natural aversion to an IEM company's headphones.
>>109171069The funnier part is Headslop Show paying a dude who shills kilobuck IEMs to write for them when they almost exclusively do "science" and "value" now.Sharur is truly raping these guys.
>>109171109the only 3.5mm balanced device i have is a few different models of minidisc players sharp made in the early 2000s that are wired like this. unsure if it was literally just them or if maybe other vintage japanese devices may share the standard.
>>109171114>Sharur is truly raping these guys.how? anyone can come out and say a cheaper iem than that eq'd to perfection beats everything. then a cheaper iem than that will be discovered and next thing we know, delta airlines free earbuds tuned to perfection eventually finally win.and then someone will perfectly eq those free earbuds Amazon gives new trainees and says those will be the best.it's a cycle of bullshit and the best sales strategy of flipping free shit.
>>109150067I bought the EPZ Q1s because they were in the OP and they sound really good thank you for the cool general and resources
>>109171162>and then someone will perfectly eq those free earbuds Amazon gives new trainees and says those will be the best.I think Sharur actually started here and kept working up the bargain bin until he hit the Samsungs. Listener actually has a squig for shitty airplane earbuds too, so its not like people haven't been trying this.
>>109171164nice, did you get them custom faceplates? it's not normal to go for EPZ for any other reason than that, to be frank.
Nothing sharur says matters, he's gonna say the opposite of that a week later. If you still don't understand this you're either new or retarded.
>>109171280Nothing Headslop Show says matters, they're going to market something as the new meta/baseline every two months. If you still don't understand this you're either new or retarded.
>>109171323>Nothing Headslop Show says mattersWell duh, they're using headphones.
aune ar5000 seems ok
>>109171338They have Precog and FC shilling hypebeast IEMs these days, they're closing in on you boys
>>109171280it's just clickbait and yapping about the same thing
>>109167700You know your EQ is good when you can put off a device for months, then put it on and it immediately sounds good. Basically the entire burn in/getting used to sound meta is a cope for shit sound. But to find out what's good in the first place, well, you need a volume-matched A/B test. Peqdb is a good starting point for that, just don't use its target. Do the blind test a couple of times, see how close your results get. After that try more fine-graned adjustments, like finding treble peaks, adjusting just the midbass for warmth, adjusting just the upper mids for voice timbre, adjusting just the lower treble for sharpness, adjusting just the shape of the subbass for tactility.
>>109171110I automatically feel a natural aversion to a headphone company's IEMs.
>>109171793n5005 catching strays
>>109167571I just got it in the mail and it looks amazing with the blue cassette case. I love the contrast it gives with its gold accents. I also ordered the gold cassette case so I can change it up later.
>>109171110altruva and pic rel are alright.
>>109169612decent to breddy good, their iem filters can be hir or miss tho
>>109169710What led you to buy so many pairs?Isn't having one enough?Or did they start malfunctioning?
>>109173240>Isn't having one enough?NTA, but no.
>>109171069this yaping reminds me of people dunking of watches. Watchfags will do the same with watches worth tens or hundreds of thousands. They will argue that watch for i dont know, for example 500usd will have simillar quality. Of course, it's jewelry for the filthy rich, and of course, headphones at a fraction of the price sound 99% the same. But on the other hand, just like with watches, normal people have smartwatches and AirPods, and when they see you with wired headphones, cheap or expensive, they think you're retarded.
>>109171340wait for ar3000
>>109173470>and of course, headphones at a fraction of the price sound 99% the samenot really though
>>109173528i meant not like 10usd, or even 100usd. But 1000-2000usd or something like that. With full size headphones there is that benchmark of hifiman susvara that lot of palanar stuff is trying to replicate for cheaper price. They are like 5000usd or more but you can buy planars with golden or silver traces, simillar membrane thickness and tuning for much cheaper. So in theory u can get 99% of what that type of driver is capable for fraction of price. I think moondrop and fiio have simillar drivers, moondrop is doing something with gold, there is modhouse tungstens with gold drivers. I even saw chink on aliexpress selling 3d printed DIY headphones with hifiman susvara drivers from same OEM that he somehow had acces. Thats why i think in IEMS something like 300-500USD gets u 95% of possible performance, with headphones it has to be bit more, around 1000USD lets say. Still far from thinking that 5USD shitbuds are answer for everything but much cheaper than ear jewelry for 5000-10000usd
headpos peak at around $200-300, pos at $20-$100
>the goyim still believe in diminishing returnsIEMs are like watches because quartz is more accurate than mechanical and 1DD has less distortion than all the other meme crap.
I've been offered to have a fuse changed on a brand new aio. Is it snake oil?
>>109173470>ormal people have smartwatches and AirPods, and when they see you with wired headphones, cheap or expensive, they think you're retarded.this is 100% true
>>109173579>Thats why i think in IEMS something like 300-500USD gets u 95% of possible performance, with headphones it has to be bit more, around 1000USD lets say. Still far from thinking that 5USD shitbuds are answer for everything but much cheaper than ear jewelry for 5000-10000usdI dunno this logic is so retarded to me... What fucking performance? What even the point of talking about it when you put these things on and no matter how much they cost 500 or 5000 simple act of putting them on itself changes their sound, And these changer are much more significant than anything using gold or silver in drivers can achieve. And unless you are skilled in EQ or have access to measurements on your head (literally nobody) you have no way to counteract these changes.
>>109173579>talking about performance>only audio memes and anecdotesperfectly summarized the hobby, thank you anon
>>109173579idk about numbers but i can agree that diminishing returns get worse and worse. that already doesnt map cleanly to watches though
>>109173675Having spoken to the ETA guys pretty closely as they built variations for the Uli, I know for boutique small brands tariffs in the last couple of years were a massive reason prices were high there. I'm not saying it should translate to giant companies which mass produce these chinese drivers or anything, but that's a big one to note for smaller boutique/bespoke brands working on their first flagship.Cost-wise, unless its a small brand like that, anything above a Sony MDR-Z1R or Yamaha YH-C3000 is honestly a tough sell to me. IEM wise I've been using old Sonys for years so I don't have much input on prices, I probably will just buy used XBA-N3s when my Z5's die though unless something nice in that range comes up on market.
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>>109173632its simply measured by what driver tech sits inside. I know things like pads, position on ur head has more importance but in general: i will look at chinkfiman susvara specs, then look up at i dont know, let say fiio ft7, moondrop cosmo/skyland or some kind of tungsten spec, they are really simillar. So in theory capabilities of these transducers are very similar. If tuning is similar to Susvaras u will get maybe not exactly same sound but it will be like 95-95% there and this difference will be further blurred by position on ur head, pad wear ect..It's even hard to talk about the design of headphones because they're usually so open that it's hard to say how the design affects the sound. I've read review with measurements of fake 3d printed headphones with "susvara drivers" from AliExpress and FR chartsand sound were almost identical despite completely different build quality and appearance.Same with IEMs, even if there is some kind of custom drivers, or fancy crossovers ect tech in random chink shitbud for like 300usd is like 95% up there on part with super flagship stuff, if tuning is similar they will sound pretty much like multi k usd boutique stuff. You're paying thousands of dollars more for build quality, exotic materials, prestige, desire to own something exclusive and simply because you are so rich that u can. Not because the sound will be thousands of dollars better than headphones costing a few hundred dollars. Because after all, inside there are transducers only slightly more advanced than what is available to the average person for few hundred bucks. Everything is bound by laws of physics and material science and fancy diamond plated with virgin tears or whatever driver cant change that.
why do snoytards routinely post the dumbest shit on the audiofool interwebz
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>>109173874>tech in random chink shitbud for like 300usd is like 95% up there on part with super flagship stuffit's funny to see the Zhang Liao perform almost as well as a Fugaku, fuck around with the mids a little in EQ and you're basically there lol>>109173876Snoy mandating 4.4 is the reason you have your funkopop hobby now
>>109173633>"he doesn't know"
>>109173919Whiplash seeing my post from a while ago be screencapped and used to own some ASRtard. FWIW he at least posts the IEM ranking now, lo.
>>109173874>its simply measured by what driver tech sits insidedo you mean actual measurements by that? or no?because>in theory capabilities of these transducers are very similaron practice measurements will show that "capabilities" for most competent transducers are exactly the same 20-20000Hz with low distortion. sure some are like -40000 but we aren't dolphins so it doesn't matter.>Same with IEMs, even if there is some kind of custom drivers, or fancy crossovers ect tech in random chink shitbud for like 300usd is like 95% up there on part with super flagship stufftry 30usdalso "flagship" term is even more meaningless for IEMs. At least more expensive headphones will use better more durable materials and probably have better comfort than some cheap shit.
>>109173942>also "flagship" term is even more meaningless for IEMs. At least more expensive headphones will use better more durable materials and probably have better comfort than some cheap shit.Pretty much why I wrote that the MDR-Z1R and C3000 were where the line would be drawn headphone wise, max comfort and material quality. It's wild to me people spend $10k to get their heads raped by Abyss contraptions.For IEMs it's a weirder proposition, the IEM-Z1R was definitely overpriced but it's also the only Kilobuck+ IEM that isn't gonna have its shell shatter from the tiniest knock lmao. My XBA-Z5s have lasted a decade+ with no damage or noticeable channel degradation, so I don't mind paying the premium there knowing the cost-benefit has paid itself off over 10 years.Contrast that with brands like CFA which sell you $7k IEM "flagships" and leave you stranded when the shell cracks in a year or two. People make fun of Snoy, but if you do wanna spend more than $30 on Ali Funkopops you may as well get something which doesn't break.
>>109173942yeah exacly, for anyone that price of is differentAs for performance i meant not only measurments but also construction and materials used. Like if planar membrane is that much thin, or traces are made from silver or gold, or driver size is that much big, or magnets has simillar layout and magnetic force, so it measure really similar, build is similar, materials used are similar so performance of that driver has to be similar despite one siting in let say 1000usd headphones and other siting in meme flagship unveild that cost 9000usd.And of course we can argue that slightly worse values in even cheaper products will not have such a huge impact on the final sound as it might seem and you will be right.So u are just paying for that last 1% of possible performance. Honestly if I was rich I wouldn't have a problem spending the money on it. But the truth is, the difference isn't that big.
>>109173941you should see what CSD plots do to them. what a shit show
>only care about and measure sweetness/sugar content>expensive wines are a scamASR
>>109173921Absolutely no reason to use 4.4 on IEMs.
>>109174010All wines are alcohol and therefore poison.
>$300where endgame resides only until you decide that the 2% incremental increase in performance once you spend $500 to $1K afterwards is actually worth it.at that point, you're crazy.
>>109173919>discussion about IEMs >it's le amp!Actual retard.
>>109174040A good wireless gaming headset costs almost eighty euros, I'm not paying more than forty for two tiny shells and a thin cable.
>>109174040Define performance. It better not be anything objective because that can be fact checked really fast.
Dunno, my lcd2c sounds better than the he4xx even though they're both planars. Both EQ'd
retards like sharur are in every hobby on earth and anyone with more than 1 intrest knows that. But being normal middle class, not some super rich guy, and paying for stuff like susvara unveild or crazy expensive iem, amp or dac is as retarded as he is.It reminds me of pocket knife collecting, there are insane people that spends 1000s of USD on custom pocket knives, with crazy steels, insane hardness, exotic handle materials ect. There is also lots of people that buy pretty much same stuff from production companies, with same steels, same or similar hardness, similar handle materials, sometimes exactly same designs because lot of companies there are selling production stuff and custom made more expensive version of that for much more. And all of that for like 200-300USD, that still super expensive for pocket knife. Normies will buy maybe 50usd knife, maybe 100-200usd Spyderco at best and call it enough. And somewhere there is Sharur of pocket knives that shills ozark trail from wallmart as answer for everything. And for lots of people he will be right, at least in their minds.
>>109174065>asking me to define "performance" as though it's a single objective scalar.you're trying to set up a strawman. I never said "performance" was one objective number that scales linearly with price. "Performance" is shorthand for the overall listening experience across technical traits. The point is that once you're around the $300 mark, improvements become increasingly incremental while the cost rises exponentially. if you think that's wrong, the burden is on you to explain why a $1,200 iem brings 4× the performance of a $300 one instead of just saying "define performance."cute attempt at shifting the conversation. you ignored the entire point and fixated on a single word because it's easier than addressing diminishing returns.
>>109174247So it's a purely subjective experience that scales with nothing but, even though nothing else does? Just so we're on the same page.
>>109174302*scales with nothing but price
>>109174302no. you're still pretending there are only two options. don't argue against a position I never took. you started needing "performance" to be one objective thing, but now it's "purely subjective"? engineering is objective. the perception is subjective and that's been true for literally every speaker ever made.the one thing I've claimed is that past roughly $300, the price curve steepens faster than the audible gains for most people. if you disagree with that, argue against it instead of inventing definitions I never gave you.
>>109174321>you started needing "performance" to be one objective thing,I started with the opposite. We've been through all objective metrics and they actually start decreasing after $30. You can try again but it will be shut down as usual, so I suggested you to definite performance as something subjective instead. Define it however you want, as long as you explain why it increases with the price.
>>109174339you're arguing against a claim I didn't make. I never said price causes performance to increase. I said that around the $300 mark, the remaining improvements become increasingly incremental relative to the money spent. two different statements entirely.. and "all objective metrics start decreasing after $30" is a bigger claim than anything I said so far. if that's true, show me the data. otherwise it's as much of an assertion as you think I'm making, which makes you come off as obtuse for obtuse's sake
>>109174371>you're arguing against a claim I didn't make>says there are improvements below and above $300 in the next sentenceNot a serious person.>show me the data.THD >>109173587FR - free with EQ.IR - worse in multiple drivers due to the crossover, identical in single drivers.CSD - see above.Compression - doesn't exist in 1DDs.Weight - gets worse with the price.Shell bulk - gets worse with the price.Anything else?
>>109174371You probably hallucinated that I said "price=performance" and refused to engage to the boogeyman you yourself invented. I never said that. I fully understand there are highs and lows in any budget, but it's on you to prove there are any highs at all.
>inb4 the proof is "redditdude said so"
why 300 bucks. it's such an arbitrary price point
>>109174600That's what chatgpt told him.
>>109174614The only reason to buy something expensive is to earn the admiration of your fellow hobbyists.Sound quality stops improving after a threshold.
>>109174123LCD does have better distortion but it's not the deciding factor. Headpos graphs are essentially random and you just got lucky, better graphs would bridge the gap.
everclear is the best alcoholic drink. trust the measurements. better yet just learn to distill and eq drinks at home
wait a minute, I don't even listen to music that much
>>109174800>he still has the water impurity Ngmi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T68gxjSWES8
>>109174947See >>109171280
>>109150067What is the advantage to a dedicated CD player over an $90 external disk drive for a PC or a $200-300 standalone player that supports all formats (4kBD, DVD, CD, etc.)? I really like my Chu2s but I don't really know how to justify a 200 dollar player that only takes CDs.
>>109174600it's the price of my next IEM purchase and I won't be spending more than that probably ever.
My drop grell oae1 came, something is fucked up because only side with cable plugged in is playing. I wanted to try this 40usd piece of audiophile history but look like I have to refund them. Even with one driver they sound like someone is singing behind wall. Fuck bad quality control
It feels funny when you get one of these out of your ear.
>>109175880the connector is twist-to-lock fwiw, that sounds like you're forgetting to twist it
bought 7Hz zeros. Disappointed. No bass. I can't listen to breakcore with these. I guess they are okay for piano sonatas.
>qudelix dongle>transmitter with PEQnow you can PEQ APP3 on iOS, android fags lost
There still isn't a CD player made for me. I was gonna settle for the Shanling EC Zero AKM, but not they released a cheaper smaller Shandingdong EC Play. Not sure if the price difference is worth it.
What's the correct cassette player?
>>109177359If you're buying new then I like my maxell mxcp-p100 a lot.
>>109150067Any dedicated music device that remembers where you stopped playing?I need something for audiobooks.>just use a phoneI want something with better battery
>>109175028Interacting with the PC ruins immersion, and the cd player has a little dac/amp in it to make it standalone.Digital out only into your own dac/amp is far more niche. Having the particular face buttons for cd functions instead of relying on a remote. The joy of the visible tray instead of eating the disc.
>>109174961https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6lxxRBwM6U
>>109177267>lose AAC quality, latency and all of the features>get better tuningitoddlers, I swear
>>109177651Nigga folded like a wet sock.
Are eartips with metal cores actually worthwhile? Like AZLA Mithryls or the stainless steel TANGZU Tang Sacai's?They're pretty expensive for what they are.Been using TRI Clarions for a while and they're almost perfect but was wondering if I could do better.
>>109177245The easiest thing to fix.
>>109178485Can you elaborate?
>>109177606on both my hibyos devices, that is a setting (track or specific time). so shanling m1 plus.i'm pretty sure a decent chunk of android music players should have it as a setting too, so android pmps should work too (hiby m300, fiio jm21, etc.)
>>109178964Check if you have a proper seal. Then add a bass shelf with EQ.
i've never tried koss stuff but i'm gonna order the moondorp old fashioned and fiio wind PRO as my first on-ears
>>109177245fixed with black Final E tips, but the soundstage collapsedfixed again with Moondrop Spring Tips, this time for good
>$25 of silicone to """"fix"""" a $20 poslollmao
>>109179379>anon solves their personal problems>other anon laughsit's almost as if subjective experience is being judged and mocked as if it's the wrong objective experience.how fuckin interesting
it's almost as if you could have not been fucking stupid and bought zero2 which added bass instead of buying the version without bass and then complaining it has no bass and then wasting your money on milligrams of silicone like a retard imagining it made any difference at all
>>109179508if it was a seal issue solvable by changing eartips then it would've turned out exactly the same with zero 2
>>109179508>you could have not been fucking stupidwell I'm not that anon. and you're still uppity as we're talking about....IEMS. lol>milligrams of silicone like a retard imagining it made any difference at all.of course, you know what's in everyone's best interest. how fortuitous /iemg/ has you patronizing the place
yeah lil guy. enjoy your zero1 mcdonald's toy shit and those silicone tips. really intelligent end-game audio purchases lmao
>>109179644you're saying a whole lot of nothing for being in a bitchy mood lmao. go grab a bagel or something
I asked Claude what I should buy and he said zero 1
>saying a whole lot of nothing>>109179489>>109179548>>109179599>>109179666
Balancing absolute value against incremental upgrades over what I currently own, I made an informed decision for my next purchase and arrived at the Kiwi Ears Astral. Exactly like every IEM purchase I've made thus far, knowing I'm in the 90% club, I went with what truly spoke to me in my quest to refine and amalgamate my collection, bridging between core strengths of what I already enjoy.I was initially interested in Daybreak, but that's only because I was ignorant and had my head in the clouds about what I thought I wanted/needed, so this ended up being a no-brainer. Thanks to the Kiwi Ears anons that chimed in. Your input was valuable.
