Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

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buy a 9070xt

>>109160369
What if I want cuda?

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>>109160381
the ai datacenter needs cuda more than you.

>>109160381
Consider this: OpenAI uses MI* accelerators from AMD.

>>109160395
That's not very nice, how cuda they do this to us.

>>109160381
its much cheaper to rent gpu power online than to buy local gpu. everyone in the ai general is using a proxy or whatever they arent buying 4090s or 5090s.

>>109160349
hedfon name?

>>109160381
>>109160403
This. 32gb of vram for $4000 isnt much when the datacenters have 100s you can rent or pirate.

>>109160369
why? nvidia uses open source drivers now

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>>109160401
you aren't very patriotic son. think of the nation. the nation needs datacenters. the datacenters need cuda. the datacenter needs you. they need cuda more than you.

>>109160417
they are not real open source. the firmware blobs and everything is still proprietary. its like saying openai is open source.

>>109160431
works on my machine, I don't really care, I edit videos with davinci resolve, AMD cant compete with even a 5050

>>109160444
wrong and wrong also didnt you get banned last thread for shitting it up

>>109160446
He's the guy who got all his posts deleted last thread and now he's evading.

>>109160449
kek what a bitch boy he is

>>109160446
>>109160449
no? but if multiple people say the same thing, there are facts behind it. I need cuda. I dont care about anything else. no cuda no sale.

will 16GB of ram be enough for the next 10 years, Y/n?

>>109160482
It's not enough even today.

>>109160482
on Linux

>>109160460
>but if multiple people jump parrot ai it must be true

>>109160460
>if multiple influencers say go suck cock i might as well

>>109160460
>>109160454

>just checked 3090 prices
>it's gone up by 25% since january 2025
wtf, i could sell mine and get a base model 5080 or a fancy 5070ti gpu

>>109160501
>>109160505
I have tried AMD GPUs in the past, even on Linux, they simply can't compete for video editing. if all you do is play video games and jerk off amd is great I am sure. but there are some of us who have jobs.

>>109160491
Only times I run out of ram is when the simulations I run for work are unoptimized
For my other usecases gaming/desktop shit i never hit the bottleneck, I am on linux though

>>109160404
VOID RGB ELITE Wireless Premium Gaming Headset

>>109160512
I am so tempted to sell my 3090. My only problem is I'm still stuck on the am4 platform and I don't know how well a 5070ti or even a 9700XT would do with my 5800x3d.

Never ceases to amaze me that people are STILL so hesitant with regard to AMD, and yet people seem to give a pass to Nvidia's driver woes. Like, if you look back to the last couple of generations for Nvidia, over-and-over again have we seen headlines (even as recent as two weeks ago), their drivers aren't exactly problem free.

For the record, I'm no fanboy - AMD released some shit drivers a while ago. They deserved to take shit for it. And I'm not universally recommending AMD's graphics card options over Nvidia as your needs may be that Nvidia is a clearly better choice (I'm legit unsure how much (if at all) GTA6 prefers Nvidia's arch and by how much).

What I AM saying is that "AMD HAS BAD DRIVERS" doesn't make a ton of sense to me when not NEARLY as many people are selecting an AMD option over Nvidia due to the "NVIDIA HAS A BURNING PLUG" or "NVIDIA'S CARDS DIE DUE TO ELECTRICAL ISSUES" (and it's funny to me that I actually have to specify that I'm referring to the 2080 Ti launch woes here), or even "NVIDIA HAS BAD DRIVERS."

I strongly suspect that the pervasiveness of the "AMD has bad drivers!" thing just has to be due to a longstanding astroturfing campaign. It otherwise doesn't make sense to me that it's still a thing, when Nvidia has had as-bad (or worse) problems with their drivers and hardware melting down for several years now.

>>109160583
I've just barely decided to not sell because I don't want the flawed connector on my card. 3x 8-pins just werks even if the 3090 is a 400W power hog

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>>109160516
Fedora 43 base, Linux 6.18 LTS, dnf5, glibc 2.42, systemd 258, Python 3.14 with JIT, OpenSSL 3.5 with post-quantum crypto support, and FIPS 140-3 certification in progress. It's time to get with the program, chud.

My Acer predator x27u z1 pixel refresh doesn't start automatically after 4 hours when I power down or let it go to sleep. Anyone have issue with this?

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9070 or 5070?

>>109160827
9070 is cheaper and faster

>>109160856
is a 5800x @ 1440p going to be fast enough for either gpu?

>>109160871
yes

>>109160827
dunno about the benchmarks but on the lower to mid end AMD right now has the advantage of SteamOS support and better Linux support in general. Nvidia Support for steamOS will follow next year though.

>>109160871
As a previous owner of a 5900x, no. You will be cpu-bottlenecked once you want 100+fps consistently.

It will work well enough for stable 60fps at high settings, but only older games will hit your monitors max refresh rate.

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What is the point of the 5800X3D when the last time I checked a 13600K or 14600K plus motherboard is the same price while smoking it in all applications? And the 5700X was half of this price? Wasn't the 14700K the same price as this?

>>109161023
The point is to scam people.

>>109161023
its better in gaming, its a mid-range productivity cpu otherwise.

If you're not a gamer, you have no reason to buy one. Are you retarded or something?

>>109160512
Sigh, I don't even know why I check this general
It's just nothing but regrets, I could have bought a 3090 and enjoyed 24GB of VRAM
>>109161033
>its a mid-range productivity cpu otherwise.
For $425 you can get much better options than a 6 year old 8 core part like this, lol what

>>109161049
you lose some and you win some
i buy a lot of hardware and i lose money 9 out of 10 times. the discount 3090, discount ddr5 and discount 7800x3d I bought were just about the only times I made money

https://videocardz.com/newz/samsung-sk-hynix-and-micron-sued-over-alleged-dram-price-fixing
and it's not in europe

>>109161061
Even if one of the idiots ruling EU would notice all it takes is some lobbyist money for the case to be closed

wish I could buy deepcool coolers on ali express like I can buy thermalright, the new AK700 VC looks like a beast and it's pretty compact

>>109160827
I am getting the 5070, from my understanding nvidia cards are more reliable and better for gaming

>>109161138
just buy macbook, they're for people like you

>>109160349
Is there any issue with pairing an Intel CPU with an amd GPU? I would normally want to buy an Nvidia GPU but they're way too expensive

>>109161159
you can just say it's wrong and explain why, instead of getting offended like you're the ceo of amd or something

hope we get this cpu cooler in the west soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnrup9JeukI

>>109161198
depending on where you live the amd gpu might be more expensive in the long because of higher power consumption (after3+ years.)

What are the average clocks of a 9070 XT?

I haven't checked PC prices in a while because of RAMagageddon, but holy fuck, the CPU prices have become so cheap.

>>109161331
...for now. prices are gonna go up soon since cpu makers are scaling back due to poor sales

>>109161304
3050 I think

>>109161331
>the CPU prices have become so cheap
That what happens when you have a competitive market with AMD and Intel at 40 to 50% of the share each and the ever growing ARM (Apple, Qualcomm, and now NVIDIA) menace with makes x86 manufacturers compete even harder.

I have seen the 270K Plus going for as low as 280 bucks, that's a steal, if it weren't for the fucked up RAM prices, I would have bought it to upgrade from my 5800x.

>>109161304
its the first gpu to hit 3ghz consistently. not even nvidia does this they love to hover around 2850mhz.

>>109161392
>its the first gpu to hit 3ghz consistently.
Ok, I thought mine was scuffed for a second because it was only hitting 3050 to 3100, I have read somewhere it was supposed to hit like 3400?

>>109161049
>For $425 you can get much better options than a 6 year old 8 core part like this, lol what
so you are retarded. I just explained to you that its for gaming, and you failed to understand.

Stop being retarded, its by far, the best DDR4-era cpu FOR GAMING, money can buy, period. Intel-aviv was unable, and still is unable, to compete with AMD outside of niche results. My current cpu, the 9950x3d, is better than anything Intel can offer, at almost everything.

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>>109161279
>power consumption after 3+ years
jesus christ you're fucking retarded. Your PSU being gold or titanium-rated would have a bigger impact long-term.

>>109161414
2 pin cards are 2970-3050mhz. 3pin cards and 12vhpwr can go up to 3300mhz.

>>109161458
Yeah mine is a Hellhound so 2-pin.

redpill me on 5060ti 8GB vs 9060xt 16GB

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>>109161482
rdna4 compute units > blackwell cuda cores

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>PS6 Hardware Cost Estimated at $900+

it's over

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>>109161458
>>109161392
Ok, with a less GPU bound game (og Crysis 3) it hits 3300.

>>109161513
I assumed it was going to be 1k, $900 is still ridiculous

>>109161552
yeah thats about as high as it goes, the 9070xt is more bottleneck by memory bus than core speed. it tops out at 650gb/s while 7900xtx was doing 960+

>>109161513
unless Sony gets a good RAM and storage deal, they cheap out super hard on parts and hope people don't notice or they want to sell at a huge loss I'd assume it to be well beyond $1k

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>letters iop malfunctioning and stopping registering if typing too fast on laptop keyboard
please god no i dont want this to die im fucking tired man

anyeone have any idea what this shit is? fuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>109161432
Funny how the people who are the first to throw around insults are always the biggest morons.

>>109161432
Yes a titanium psu, makes your gpu magically draw 0 watts. Holy retard.

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last chopper out of nam deals

What's a nice amd gpu for AM4 and a 850W supply?

>>109161624
I assume the first gen PS6 will have the same SSD as the PS5 and 24gb GDDR7 on a 256bit bus

>>109161702
9070xt

>>109161702
9070XT
If you are dead set on amd there is no reason to consider anything else.

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>>109161432
Had a llm math it out for me. Apparently you are full of shit

Pretty sure my RAM just kicked the bucket. A month ago I started having stability issues with them running the advertised xmp so I just dropped it down to 5600 (from 6000) and that fixed the stability issues I had. Yesterday my pc froze up and I haven't been able to get it to post since then. Neither of my sticks work in any slot and my Asus mobo is getting the yellow dram light.
Did me dropping the MHz without making other changes potentially kill both my sticks or is it more likely that this was coming due to the prior instability?
fuck, man. This shit is too expensive to just die on me.

>>109161755
did you try updating your bios

>>109161755
>Did me dropping the MHz without making other changes potentially kill both my sticks
no.
since neither stick of ram works i'd much sooner think it's the motherboard or cpu memory controller before both sticks just happening to die at the same time.

>>109161775
It's probably not on the most recent version but I did update it so it would support my 9800x3d back in November

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>>109161791
you should update

>>109161782
Grim. Wish I had another am5 system available to give things a quick test.
>>109161801
I suppose it wouldn't hurt but is that even an option through flashback if I can't pass post and my ram isn't detected/working?

>>109161849
flashback doesnt require cpu or ram. all you need is a working power supply.

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>>109161513
Thats only good for /pcbg/ with the ps6 being a flop they will have even less of a reason to hold back or optimize for AMD GPU's

>>109162020
the monitor comes with a suitable dp cable
otherwise any 1.4 or 2.1 dp cable will work

>>109162020
Didn't the monitor come with a DP 1.4 or 2.1 cable depending on what it supports?

>>109162051
its easier to find longer 1.4 cables because 2.1 is higher bandwidth
your flickering can be causes by dp handshake issues, monitor issues, gpu driver issues

so just get some reputable brand 2-3m 1.4 cable and its as good as its gonna be

>>109162020
>>109162051
>I need a longer one.
Should have started with that. All copper cables over 3 meters suck. Get fiber.
I used to use FIBBR (that's a brand, not a typo) 5m hdmi 2.1 but it just died after ~4 years.
Got a random cheap local store brand 2m copper (cause I did not need 5m anymore) and it just works.

>>109160417
>nvidia uses open source drivers now
huh?
where is the upstream mesa driver for nvidia that isn't for nouveau?
are you talking about some overglorified firmware loader?

>>109162105
https://docs.mesa3d.org/drivers/nvk.html
ok. cool.

>>109162020
dont quote me on this but the Nvidia display controller favors the HDMI port over any Displayport

>>109162124
I tried working with hdmi cable on my 4k qd oled and the black screens and inability to wake from sleep forced me back to dp, on nvidia ampere. Idk if its fixed on newer cards

>>109161745
Not him but it looks like you used Europe energy costs for gpu and US for the psu. Energy costs are at least double in Europe So from what you’ve posted it looks like a wash.

Is it true AM5 cpus are particularly fragile/tricky to install?

I'm just going to make my 2180p monitor my side monitor, and my old 1080p monitor my main monitor. that will let my 4070 last another 20 years.

>>109162146
no they're easier than am4

>>109162146
the socket is fragile, the cpu you can abuse. AM4 is the opposite a 5800X3D is as fragile as a coughing baby.

>>109162133
Yeah ampere cards are basically unusable through HDMI, the flickering/black screen issues are insane and it's a hardware problem. It has been fixed on the 5000 series thankfully

>>109160431
>the firmware blobs and everything is still proprietary
eh. you can say the same about AMDGPU to be honest. most modern hardware has crypto signed firmware that do specific, deep hardware things. I blame the US FCC and their retarded radio locking mandate that gave us this shit regime.

>>109160417
>>109162105
>>109162114
bros does this mean I can switch to Linux without losing gaming performance now?

>>109162171
No, you need nvidia to rewrite some stuff and its not impossible to happen in a timescale of 1 year but its not there now

>>109162171
you have to wait for Linux 7.x for the proper Redhat NOVA kernel driver. I don't think the shitty novideo one is upstreamed and since it isn't, it's probably giga slop, much like how virtualbox guest drivers are still out-of-tree because they're shit.

>>109162167
AMD's ISA is just available, radeon GPU analyzer can help with low level optimization, it provides dissemblies instrumenting and bottlenecking hints
and you can debug the GPU's register state using umr on linux to find out exactly what's going on. Nvidia has all this on lock down unless you are a "Geforce Partner".

>>109162171
also this NVK userspace driver is probably still broke as hell. I'd give it another year or two before jumping in.

>>109162171
linux has always outperformed windows in games, install bazzite bro, it's not a meme if its the truth.

>>109160417
The user space drivers are still proprietary

>>109162177
I kind of want to make my own version of SteamOS, so using Arch as the base.

>>109162179
whoa, based. I didn't know this since I never work on GPU compute crap. thank you for informing me.

>>109162032
>>109162071
>1.4DP for 4k 240hz
You clearly have never used a monitor like this or you wouldn't be recommending 1.4DP, since DSC is a piece of shit.

>>109162184
haven't seen a single benchmarker show performance improvements when using nvidia. at best it ties windows.

>>109162190
Yeah, it is pretty cool:
https://docs.amd.com/v/u/en-US/rdna4-instruction-set-architecture

>>109162195
literally all 4k 240hz monitors rely on dsc so you might be insane

>>109162195
you can't go higher than 120hz 4k without dsc.

>>109162243
3m
dp 1.4

who gives a shit about hdmi, its a pos standard for tvs

>>109162276
yeah look at 3m dp cables and ignore hdmi

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>>109162310
retardbro...

>>109162310
ever heard of dsc

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are any of these worth my money for an entry level experience?

>>109162352
then why are you browsing 10ft cables? >>109162243

>>109162310
Did you check your monitors manual for supported resolutions and frame rate? I have here at least on Asus monitor that can only hit 1440p 120 hz with hdmi while DP goes up to 360 with DSC though.

>>109162243
frequently returned doesn't matter at all, you get used stuff all the time on amazon with or without that label. cables aren't easy to find the right one but it doesn't matter, just learn to identify which ones came from the good chinese factory by looking at the choice of insulation sleeve.

>>109162347
get this:
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-27-240hz-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw2726dm/apd/210-bvrc/monitors-monitor-accessories

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>>109162318
>dsc
yuck

>>109162520
have fun now owning a monitor then?

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>>109162243
What a ripoff

>>109162523
i have it disabled on my monitor. dsc is awful.

>>109162243
just look for VESA certified cables you dumb fuck, there are cheap models out there as well

>>109162545
You've never used it

>>109162559
I'd find it suspicions as well if someone claims their cable is VASA certified when it's called VESA

amd 9600x or 7500x3d with rtx 5070 gaming oc for gaming? the 7500x3d costs $63 more than the 9600x

>>109162559
Ever heard of Google?
https://vesa.org/displayport-developer/certified-components/

>>109162581
x3d is way better
still, id go for 8 core minimum

>>109162551
Compression artifacts are more likely to show up around sharp text, UI edges, and certain scene transitions, especially when a display path also uses reduced-color output such as 4:2:2 or 4:2:0. On a desktop monitor, that kind of issue is easier to spot in a browser tab, a game HUD, or small white text on a colored background than in a fast-moving action scene.

DSC is not mathematically lossless, but it was designed to meet a visually lossless but that's just bullshit.

>>109162595
If you have to conflate an issue like 4:2:0 then you've failed to actually make the original point.
You've never used DSC

>>109162581
6 core is probably fine with a budget card like the 5070.

>>109162545
how do you disable it? just setting it to 4k 120hz in windows?

>>109161023
The point is to drain money. People kept hailing it as a good cpu and somehow its rerelease has led to it costing more than every cpu that's objectively better than it, including ayymd's own offerings.

>>109161669
Good lord, someone better have snapped that shit right up. If I didn't already have a comparable/better system I'd get that in a heartbeat. I paid $1k for the 4080 super alone.

>>109162347
entry level?
just get the cheapest 1080p IPS monitor.
You can have MBR autism (nobody uses it because it lowers the refresh rate, and it disables VRR, and it dims the monitor, and every single monitor has a flawed implementation that will never match a 1440p gsync pulsar which is a $700 which is about the same cost of a heavily discounted 4k OLED, or a newly released 1440p woled).
There are monitors that have better MBR than others, but nobody actually reviews $100 monitor MBR specs (rtings documents the specs of MBR/BFI decently, but they rarely review $100 monitors, also they blocked being able to read the reviews without an account).
Also note that if you have a nvidia GPU, you must use displayport for gsync, but many $100 monitors don't include a DP cable, only hdmi. If the monitor is HDMI 2.1 (very unlikely if it's cheap) or it has a sticker on the box with "VESA Adaptive-Sync" it should support gsync. Also the monitor might not be gsync-certified, which means windows will not enable gsync by default, you need to go into the Nvidia control panel and enable it.

>>109162243
Just look for real brands instead of these diamond dozen fake chinese brands? A real brand's HDMI cable wouldn't cost $50 either.

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NOVA in a couple of years plus NVK will solve novideo on Linux, just wait.

>>109162689
check your monitors settings. If there isn't an option to turn off DSC you cant.

>>109161023
the point is to get vaxxed nigger-cattle to consume the goyslop

>>109162243
after 7meters you'll want a fibercable

>>109161061
>send a gold plated DDR5/HBM4 to the white house as a gift
>deposit some shekels in the president's private bank account
>maybe buy some of his meme crypto coins or give his son/daughters some "contracts"
WE'VE INVESTIGATED AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING

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Daily reminder to laugh at people that thought ai was a bubble and are still waitfagging when memory prices are going to double at least one more time.

>>109162787
is there any ultrawide that cares about motion blur?

>>109163038
I had 64gb ddr5 ram in my basket at amazon last summer for 180 euros. I waited since I wanted to give the aibros more money, so I bought 32gb today for 499 euros instead.

>>109163038
>Sorry sir, but personal computers are not allowed. You MUST use an AI enhanced cloud connected device or we will have law enforcement show up to your door.

>>109163038
no you don't get it sony microsoft and valve all have really expensive hardware temporarily because prices are going to come down soon.

>>109163068
Thank you for doing the needful.

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>https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Low-Power-CPU-Core-Linux
Thank God AMD doesn't have Estrogen cores bros, our response???

>>109163195
use case?

>>109163038
Jokes on them, I bought 16GB of DDR4 in otherwise worthless 4GB dimms for around €16 when store prices started to spiral upwards. If the prices double again I'll be rich(er).

>>109163195
>a low power core designed for minimal power consumption during background or idle workloads
They won't be the main cores they sell you, for example a 12core zen 6 won't be 10bug cores and 2 little cores, it'll most likely be 12 big cores and they'll add 2lpe cores that will only be active during idle so people can't claim Intel has better idle power consumption anymore

>>109161745
>calls someone "full of shit"
>lets a fucking llm do math
Have some self-awareness or at least pretend you didn't use the LLM lmao

>>109163195
It's meant to compliment the new cppc function highest frequency. The OS can tell which core is the best and which is the least busy to make better scheduling decisions otherwise the OS is too dumb and throws everything on core0.

Will PC ever be affordable again?
I hate this timeline.

>try my luck with 2 Amazon resale mobos
>One like new didn't ship in a static bag
>One very good had everything rattling around the box
Learn from me. :(

>>109163656
no
get a job

>>109163656
Only dram is expensive currently. Everything is normal, maybe gpu's that got a price hike after the gpumageddon

>>109163656
Just steal from data centers. All dem copper wires in dere bro. All dem PC components the nerds crave for bro.

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It's tiring

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>>109163656
what do you mean affordable? it's still cheaper than a car to purchase the flagship CPU+GPU combos.

>>109163787
comparing pc to a car is pretty grim

>>109163057
every monitor has it (except low hz monitors and miniled's). because it's basically just turning the monitor completely black in between frames instead of sample hold, that's why the fps drops to half. Better monitors can are better at controlling how much time is spent in the black frame, more time spent black could reduce help hide ghosting, but the brightness would be lower, but that typically requires special hardware inside the monitor so it's usually only seen on premium monitors.
I thought that only gsync pulsar supports VRR, but it seems like asus has ELMB sync which supports vrr, but it's not perfect in the way that it has a ghost (aka, it looks the same with it off, only more clear if you want to read moving text I guess).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgvP84g2BU
There was a really shitty VA monitor that's ultrawide with elmb 2 but I highly suggest not getting it because it's a very shitty VA monitor (I saw a spanish video showing it), very noticable smearing, the AOC miniled's are a "decent" VA monitor for comparison (but it lacks MBR).

What is the optimal way to build around the Rampocalypse? Is 2×16 or just 2x8 good for an amd build now? I remember hearing am5 causes problems for quad channel ram which might not make it optimal to ad 2 more sticks when prices improve. Is 16gb even usable for mid range gaming or is it better to downgraded another part of the build for the full 32gb?

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>>109163863

>>109163871
despite 16gb being considered "not enough" it's actually pretty usable for most games still. Only downside is you'll need to choose whether to leave your chrome tabs open or play a game, if the game needs a high amount of ram.

>>109163871
IMO, the most optimal build right now would be to buy cpu, mobo, gpu and then waitfag if i'm being frank.

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Chat is it alright for the fan to be like this? I don't have clearance because of the ram and I don't think it'd fit on the other side either
Even if it's okay I hope there's no clearance problem in the case lol

>>109163871
I think you should have 2x more ram than vram. Equal ram&vram "works" if you don't have 4k / not using the highest graphics settings. Since 4k + no DLSS/FSR will use more vram.

I was perfectly fine with my laptop and using it

Now the fucking keys oip sometimes are dropping out and not registering If I'm typing too fast

Software or hardware issue? This just recently popped up
It's fucking annoying as fuck and triggers me

>>109163901
It's not a problem. You can measure your case and the clearance or it should be listed in the specs.

>>109163904
Actually I got that completely backwards, I think 4k justifies having more vram, and the resolution has nothing to do with system ram, you are just loading higher quality assets.
But I think the 2x more ram than vram is more about the matching the spec. I think there are minecraft mods that may require more than 16gb of ram, but I don't know for sure, since I played with only 8gb of ram set in the minecraft launcher.

>>109163449
>not beating the full if shit allegations.
You talked out of your ass, he at least made an effort to prompt.

>>109163773
>let us in or we will spread our (((freedom))) again
classic amerisrael

>>109163901
from what i gather sliding it up like that is better than putting it on the backside as long as there's enough room for it in your case. mine is offset even a little more than that picture i reckon.

>>109163938
dirty keyboard.

>>109163656
They are the most affordable they will ever be at this very moment

>>109163863
>>109163057
Actually I think the VG34WQML5A VA monitor is exactly the same pixel response as AOC monitors. I think I was looking too much at the overdrive mode that exaggerates the smearing / artifacts, and I didn't carefully read the graphs (I see bright red and think Holy shit this is bad, but the graphs I am comparing to would have shown red as orange, maybe I should find where this video get it's response time graph, maybe the source has other monitors like AOC mini-led's to properly compare with).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uHuzV5-UHY
Obviously IPS is better at motion, and IPS should have better viewing angles, but maybe the contrast might be worth it, but the price might not be good enough.
Gsync pulsar would have have any ghosting by the way, and this monitor is like 2x the price of the 16:9 IPS monitor. I think the spanish video says that they prefer keeping ELMB sync off, and sticking to a fixed fps because it looks better? But the picture looks mostly the same to me (but a reddit video says it flickers with VRR on).

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my thought is to get the combo and use an additional 32 GB kit i already have. is it a bad idea? that newegg combo is a better price than the microcenter combo. i'll be reusing everything else from my current build. that way i avoid the ddr5 tax. solid or no?

>>109161023
I wasn't aware you could put the 13/14600k in an AM4 board.

>>109164172
that combo by itself is godtier price/perf
just to be sure check ram timings and features from the mobo, i really dont much about the r5000 era mobos (a520 b550)
you can decide what to do with the extra ram afterwards
>>109164199
theres some lga1700nigger shitting up the threads from time to time
he probably went mad and think intel cpus grow on trees for free and that he can reuse his sandy mobo for a new cpu
even worse he exposed himself as a polack now

Are there still modern PC cases made with an optical drive bay?

>>109164172
depends on how CPU limited you are vs your current CPU.
you may see a 50% increase in performance if you got a basic 6 core AM4 (since the 5800x3d is around the same perf as a 9600x).
but on very specific games, you might find that you will get 50% more performance with a 9800x3d.
Just measure if your game is CPU limited, if it is, buy a new CPU based on how much it's limited.
If there is no game, then don't buy anything.

>>109164136
I hate blur more than color. I think TN looks better than IPS.

>>109164214
good point. RAM timings shouldn't be an issue, i already know my current kit will run at 3200 or 3600OC.
>>109164303
yeah, the bottleneck is CPU with i7-7700K. the game chokes and stutters in most conditions.

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>>109163996
imagine if we literally just ..... produced stuff

>>109160349
Help pcbg, a friend is about to pay 1700 yurobicls for this build

Case Tempest Lumina ARGB M-ATX
PSU Tempest Pulse PSU 650W ATX 3.1
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Mobo ASUS PRIME B550M-A/CSM
Storage WD Blue SN5100 1TB
RAM Forgeon Cyclone PLUS V2 DDR4 3200 MHz 32GB 2x16 CL16
GPU MSI GeForce RTX 5060 Ti SHADOW 2X OC PLUS 16GB
CPU cooler Forgeon Solum AIO 360mm

>>109164345
but I can save money and have larger profit margins by paying somebody in an undeveloped nation to do the labor and then ship it back to a first world country.

>>109164356
and just like that american manufacturing, gone

>>109164356
by we I mean literally the asians
just fuuking proooduuuuuceeeeeeeeeee

>>109164354
seems overpriced.
what is that in real money? should be $1000 or less.

>>109164367
china subsidize's their labor. the only labor we subsidize in America is the farming of soi beans and corn.

>>109164041
you thnk
im not sure i wanna pop off the keys shit might fucking break
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK
its s fucking annoying it doesnt not register like ths y ou see

>>109164388
well I'm sure you can pay some fat slob in geek squad $90 to clean it for you.

>>109164199
>a 13600K or 14600K plus motherboard is the same price
>I wasn't aware you could put the 13/14600k in an AM4 board.
The CPU isn't called "14600K plus" you dimwit, that's the idiotic naming scheme for the next generation. What >>109161023 is saying is that for the cost of a competing (LGA1700 CPU+MBO)=(R7 5800X3D) you only get the AM4 CPU so your AM4 x3d build is going to be 50-100 USD more expensive assuming you're buying new. There's reasons why that argument maybe falls apart, but you kind sir have not unearthed one of them.

>>109164368
Some components aren't even listed in pcpartpicker
That specific GPU in itself, lowest I was able to find is 770€, which is an insane ripoff, that's 5070 or 9070xt money

About to finish my first poorfag build, all components except monitor have been bought and assembled.

I had a spare IPS monitor for my laptop that I sold and although it had great colors and viewing angles, my fucking I couldn't bear the IPS glow. I've decided I will use a two screen setup (ranging from 22 to 24 inches) with 1080p monitors both. I cannot decide whether I should go for VA or IPS (don't care about ghosting or smearing desu because I won't be playing fast-paced games), again, I'm poor and price is the primary factor. I thought well why not get both types? But I am a bit worried that the contrast between an IPS and VA will be too distracting or hard to get used to. Does anyone here have a mixed panel setup like that, is it cool or nah?

Reasons to upgrade laptop is my shit doesn't not even have hdmi2.1 or a dp2.1 usbc port
U can't even use modern tvs or screens at their potential
Driving the display it is another problem
Guess stuck in upscaling hell and playing old games
It's over

>>109164336
>i7-7700K
your CPU hits higher than you expect, you will see a 50% increase, your CPU is comparable to a ryzen 3600 which has 6 cores (if you had a 7600k however, you might have seen a significantly higher increase).
This is enough CPU power for a 5060 TI / rx 9060 (depending on your resolution / settings).
Is there a game in particular that your 7700k isn't able to keep up in? Note that using a frame limiter can reduce the annoyance of stutter significantly, but you may need to reduce your FPS to half to actually keep it smooth.
Depending on the game, it might be worth it to just buy a ddr5 stick and getting a 9800x3d (if it's worth it, I assume you are paying like $400 more for 9800x3d for the same vram, but if your PC is already $2000 with the 5800x3d, $400 is just the price of getting a ~30% increase in a very specific AAA game)
I didn't watch this but it might be interesting, but note that the 12100f beats the 7700k by like 50% in some games, so it really depends a lot on the game you are playing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUtowOonjeg

>>109163787
My car cost $4k

>>109164428
I have a puslar IPS and 4th gen tandem WOLED here and I honestly don't get the hype. Yes the contrast is a bit better, yes it has better black but it's not so significantly better while I can see the VRR flicker IF it happens, pixel shifting and the worse readability of text though that one is insignificant as well. Shills aside do anons upgrade from a $100 IPS to a $1000 OLED to notice a more expensive product can be better?

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>>109164354
>>109164354
€1700,00? In krautland he could get a AM5 system with a --70 class GPU for that kind of money.

>>109163787
spending 4 digits on any single component at a consumer level is buttfuckingly retarded and completely unsustainable

>>109164428 >>109164519
I upgraded from a Dell S2719 IPS (275$) to an Acer X27U QD-OLED (314$) on sale for prime day, and it's a huge difference that I'm liking so far

to be fair I mainly use my rig for vidya

Hey bros. I finished building the PC and tested it for post, it did displaying some message about a new CPU installed and needing to press y. Since I didn't have a keyboard plugged in I went to get one and the screen was black when I came back. Now after restarting the PC won't post and I get a 68 on the mobo, it's an MSI tomahawk x870
What the fuck bros

>>109164519
I use mine for work and i play mostly text heavy rpgs so the OLED meme was a big mistake for me. went back to IPS and im just waiting for pulsar to mature a little bit more to splash on a gen 2 one around november

>>109164575
maybe there is a bigger difference if it's a QD-OLED instead of a WOLED as former supposedly produces better colours but I don't think I'll bother for now with another OLED given that the tandem one should last like 3-5 years anyway hopefully.

>>109164518
and I can purchased used computer hardware at a discount too.

>>109164585
Hope you manage to fix it bro, power down everything and recheck everything

>>109164585
PCIE error, at least that's the google AI answer.
try booting without the GPU, then try inspecting the slot to see if there is any dust or hair, maybe blow if you do see any and try slotting the GPU again.

>>109164605
Where?

>>109164575
if somebody has the means to purchase the flagship products I don't really care, but usually those people aren't retarded enough to waste their money on the flagship.

>>109164518
do you measure dollar value in volume?

>>109164607
>>109164610
not yet sadly, yeah seems to be
>68 PCI host bridge initialization
i have tried reseating the GPU and everything seemed fine. It's so odd cause the first time it posted just fine, I just never had the chance to do anything lol. AI is telling me to clear the cmos removing the battery which sounds scary as fuck to me.

>>109164610
I dont know if MSI has the same issues but on ASUS I learned that the first boot should be done via the motherboard HDMI without GPU installed followed by a BIOS update and then install the GPU afterwards.

cant get my self to pull the trigger on a 3k $ pc
only got 10k savings
would you?

>>109164650
>>109164650
>>109164689
Just tried that, still get the same error without the GPU, also removed the nvme since it's a PCIE error and I still get the same fuckass error somehow. Out of ideas and I'm afraid the mobo might be faulty.

There is no shortage and you can Actually buy shit tho
You can buy three 9800xed 9070 xt pcs over one 5090 prebuilt
I'd be poozen midrange cuck if I bought I guess
Although a 9070xt is like the second fastest tier wise around regardless
Top end is milking them and burning up

Prebuilts or buying parts in sets is cheaper
Prebuilts won

I'm lazy too

If I saved my shekels I could have boughted long ago

>>109164794
might be the CPU, someone had a problem with a old threadripper and it got fixed by not tightening it so hard.
It's more likely if you don't have a spring on your screw.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/1dc4fa5/motherboard_qcode_68_error_solved/

>>109164906
The possiblity of your CPU being faulty is equal to your motherboard.
If your return window is short, return both your CPU and mobo.

>>109164749
If that's the full setup, including a 4K OLED monitor, sure. Provided of course that you're running a monthly surplus of income and that you have other wealth besides what's in your savings. Otherwise no unless you need it for work

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>>109164884
>Although a 9070xt is like the second fastest tier wise

>>109164749
Depends on what you have, i plan to get myself a nova lake cpu and a 5070 TI super if they come with 24 gb of vram (this one is a big if because honestly i am very tempted to just say fuck it and take a loan for a 6090 so i can have peace of mind for the next 5 years)

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history repeating itself

>>109164974
I doubt they'll give the 70ti more than 16gb. maybe the 80.
unless they upgrade all the ram to the 3gb chips.

>>109164979
There is a big difference between the derpatmen of justice investigating them and a collective lawsuit made by some retards clout-chasing anon.

A few threads ago, a few people were telling me that an AMD 9070xt was a good upgrade over my 3090. Could I get a little more info on that? Not that I'm accusing anyone of being shills, but sometimes I think people tell everyone to buy AMD gpus over Nvidia because you're just fanboying.

>>109164794
I'm losing my mind
Updatied the bios with a usb drive and the button on the back, and it worked, no more error 68 and I got a post into the bios, everything being detected properly. Turned it off to close the case and plug the windows drive, and boom, now it doesn't boot, it first gave me an error 52 and 53 about the RAM being the issue, and now after a reboot it's stuck in a loop of numbers and the DRAM led lighting up on and off on every loop. No post again of course.

Thanks to everyone trying to help btw, i really mean it.

>>109164937
>>109164974
the build is a micro atx compact pc i plan to put behind my tv
currently using a macbook air

>>109164992
Can't you read specs?

3090: Pixel Rate-189.8 GPixel/s, Texture Rate-556.0 GTexel/s, FP32-35.58 TFLOPS, Transistors-28,300 million 9070XT: Pixel Rate-380.2 GPixel/s, Texture Rate-
760.3 GTexel/s, FP32-48.66 TFLOPS, Transistors-53,900 million

More is better ignore brands

>>109164992
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-9070-XT-vs-Nvidia-RTX-3090/m2395341vs4081

it's close, the thing is the 3090 had those power connector issues and the 9070XT doesn't seem to. i know someone who did that move and they were happy with it after they sold the 3090.

>>109165047
Userbenchmark is fake site why post stupid faggot

>>109165050
yawn

>>109164979
nah it's a nothing burger, this time, right now they physically cannot make more chips, and building a factory takes 3 years.
the good news is that when 2nm comes out and more companies start using 3nm, the 6-4nm fabs "should be" reallocated to start producing dram chips.
The problem is that we actually need to STOP using ~6-3nm chips for CPU/GPU's, but the 3-2nm chips are just too expensive (I think intel flopped on bang per buck because they switched to 3nm yet it isn't even worth it since their CPU's aren't even faster for everything).
In the past every PC upgrade depended on the silicon getting better for free (AKA 2x better for the same price).
Now, PC's will get better but almost all the improvements are in power and caches. I wouldn't be surprised if in 2030 we get the first 1gb L3 cache cpu and it's going to be purely for AI.

>>109165017
that sounds like maybe a loose board or connection causing grounding/intermittent connection issues or a power supply dying

try clearing/bridging the cmos and do a full unplug, hit power button to discharge, plug back in, doublecheck all your connections, etc

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Okay, my build is done-ish. Just need the GPU to get here in the mail.

I think it looks like obnoxious RBG slop. But this is the kind of thing that sells to zoomers.

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-gpus-can-now-run-nvidia-physx-games-with-zluda-3x-boost/

>>109164749
if you really want it, just get it. fuck waiting, fuck thinking about the future, i waited and thought and thought thought and everything fucking tripled in price while i did it. shit doesn't seem like it's going to get any cheaper anytime soon so pull trigger anon.

>>109165017
if the numbers are in the dram training section, let it run as long as you think is reasonable (a lot of ram means longer training, it only needs to do this once).
The google AI tends to hallucinate, but it says having the light turn off and on is normal for training, I don't have an AMD board so I don't know.

>>109165094
Dram fabs aren't the same as logic fabs

>>109165117
Tried clearing the cmos and even going back to a previous bios, once again it boots ONCE showing everything fine and then once i try to boot into windows it crashes and the computer goes back into the previous errors, 68 (pcie) or the RAM ones.
I'm guessing at this point that something is fucked and might have to return both mobo and cpu
>>109165178
sadly no, they're just the bootup numbers, no training going on.

>>109165198
reinstall windows on that drive, boot from a usb windows installation

>>109165209
Sorry, I meant to say it crashes when I try to install windows, meaning when it's booting from the usb drive. I've tried 2 different ones and the same issue happens so I'm just completly out of ideas.

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im waiting for ram prices to drop

>>109165214
can you post into the bios? check if secure boot and TPM are enabled

>>109165221
I can't at the moment, will try installing another BIOS and it'll probably let me in lol. Should those be enabled?

>>109165240
yes, get cachyos in one of those usb drives and try to boot into it, if it boots, run all the firmware update commands, ask AI it'll tell you what to write, then try installing windows 11 again and if doesnt work try installing windows 10
you should use the latest bios, there's no reason why it wouldn't work

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I bought a 9070xt while it was on sale for $650 for prime day and got a $180 ryzen 5800xt to go along with it. I'm upgrading from a 3070 and ryzen 3600. I expect huge gains and don't plan on using ultra settings or RTX like a retard. I expect to ride this build out for the next 5-10 years.

>>109165288
you'll get 5 years but might need to upgrade to AM6

>>109165314
I don't personally expect a quality jump of the same magnitude with the new gen of consoles with how expensive tech is getting

>>109165288
you'll get 70 fps in ultra with -30% power limit on the card and you'll be amazed

>>109165198
I think it's not very likely to be your CPU because you said it booted into the bios fine.
Just replace that mobo. Unless you know someone that has parts to test your CPU or mobo.

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Something that keeps me up at night is the amount of miscompiled software running in the wild.

There’s a famous story, “the Core 59 problem” from Facebook where seemingly random files were missing in one of their Spark databases.

After herculean levels of debugging, they narrowed the problem down to a single worker box, on a single CPU core, that was literally doing math wrong.

The initial bug-reproducer was 430k(!) lines of code. Eventually they managed to create a 60-line snippet of assembly that reproduced the issue 100% of the time.

What spooks me out is the possibility of an accidental durable artifact getting propagated to clean machines via compilation. Some (small) % of CPU cores in the wild are just plain bad, bad cores can compile static programs, said static programs can get signed and distributed, thus spreading an “infection” to perfectly healthy machines!

>>109165332
Not out of the box. AMD CPUs and gpus are almost required to undervolt or overclock to get satisfactory results. Nvidia right out of the box already just werks

>>109165397
based repost

>>109165288
You can expect tons of regrets and buying remorse

>>109164992
I mean a 9070xt is better than your 3090, but I don't think its $700 better. If I had a 3090 the only upgrade I could see justifying would be a 5070ti. And even then I would probably wait to see what Nvidia is going to do with their 6000 series.

>>109165397
that's why linux is the future, because you always have some shut in loser from buttfuck nowhere deciding to take a look at 20 years old code, changing 2 lines and making stuff run 3000% faster

>>109164992
You would have to be retarded to think an amd gpu is an upgrade

I know we talk about bottlenecks a lot, but can eam bottleneck gpus? I see a lot of people are still on am4,, would a 5070ti even perform that well along with say 5800X3D that's on ddr4?

>>109164992
the 3090 is way better than the 9070 for AI LLM's, since it has massive bandwidth.
so it's objectively worth more, you could probably sell it on ebay for $1000, or more.
but the 3090 is similar to a 4070 in gaming, so a new GPU would perform better.
If you were interested in AI, it would be very stupid to buy a 9070 for dual GPU purposes because the API's are not compatible. Some runtimes would work (llamacpp, requiring a flag), some would not work (vllm).
And I heard that vllm is faster, but vllm is harder to use I think (I have not used it, I just use lm studio with 6gb of vram, and free tier AI's).

>>109165463
yes, unless u're playing counterstrike at 720p aiming for 900 fps

>>109165137
Cute!

>>109165137
You're selling it?

>>109165449
you cant read specs?

>>109165449
In what universe is less transistors better than more? That's some Nintendo levels of cope.

>>109165540
Yes, which is why i can tell you should not buy it as it runs on AMD software

>>109165542
but bruh the FEATURES n EXCLUSIVES its why i pay extra for apple & nintendo & nvidia

>>109165542
>transisters vs cuda
I know which one still sells for $1000 while the other has to be sold to retards for $650 and is constantly shilled even though its garbage at anything beside running linux

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Q1 '24
>damn, what a deal
Q1 '25
>not bad, not bad
>Q1 '26
wtf?
>Q1 '27
NOTHING IS AVAILABLE

>>109165546
>>109165544
lol

>>109163787
thats not a blackwell 6000 THO. funny thing: i buyded my car, a used 2018 sentra, right before covid for 13k.

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An AMD engineer, Jacob Terkelsen, has built a custom Steam Machine-style PC using a 3D-printed case that fits full PC hardware into a console-sized design.

The build, called Terk Box v1.1, includes an RTX 5060, a Ryzen 5 5500, 16 GB of RAM, and a 400 W power supply. The motherboard is placed at an angle to fit everything inside the small case.

The 3D printing files are free to download, so anyone with a 3D printer can build one. Terkelsen is working on version 1.2 with better airflow to keep the PC cooler.

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>>109165549
Nintendo levels of cope.

>>109165553
It will never be not funny, how the resident retards still seethes while even AMD engineers know they are selling garbage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcOqPuwZ-xs

>>109165562
>less transisters is better than more
Squidward_Laughing.gif

Cant catch me using broken ass Nvidia drivers on Windows 10/11/Linux today.

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>>109165566
Pretty sure if you yield that at the screen enough times suddenly AMD gpus will not be garbage

>>109165549
It’s not even great on Linux anymore. Just use nvidia-open and install cuda support and it curb stomps amd into the dirt. Wanna good foss card? The B580 is about as good as a rtx 5050. There’s simply no reason to buy amd.

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>no frame gen with good pacing
>no support for DXR 2.0
>no support for FSR diamond
>no cuda
>no resell value
IT HAS TRANSISTOR LISTEN TO ME

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how do you cope with FOMO in the current market?

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>>109165586
>no advanced shader delivery
>AI written drivers
>$2000 for $100 of silicon
nvidia is a joke

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I love this case.

>>109165617
>paying $750 for just a case
what the fuck is wrong with you? You could have invested that money instead. A $50 case would have done the same thing.

>amd gpus now can use physx 32bit with zluda meanwhile blackwell gpus can't
LMAO
it's over for gayboyvidia

>>109165625
name 1 game that uses physx outside of batman that is actually worth playing.

>almost bought a 9070xt
>that fucking coil whine
Bullet dodged, glad I checked the reviews

>>109165625
https://www.techpowerup.com/343671/nvidia-restores-physx-support-for-select-32-bit-games-on-geforce-rtx-50-series-gpus
but I don't know if they actually got the rest of the games working.
but it probably doesn't matter because phyx even on GPU's that supported phyx 32bit natively would drop the FPS when it would get activated.

>>109165625
but Nvidia stans can always buy a 4060 for physx, giving Nvidia extra money is their favorite thing to do

>>109165633
metro exodus

>>109165540
That's an israeli. He shills for nvidia, because nvidia wants to have blogs -> ai -> sales. basically, ai is pretty gullible and doesn't know shills exist.

>>109165670
I said games worth playing. I know reading comprehension is hard for you but do try to keep up. Supported on 50 series cards by the way. The new drivers fixed it.

>>109165675
>fixed
:^)

>>109165675
the metro games are good

>>109165687
>metro games
:^)

>>109165530
I got a good deal on some parts because I love close to a microcenter. So I can make a decent profit on it.

I already have a 5070Ti and 9850X3D build, which is all I need.