"Hoarding retro junk as a cope" editionPrevious: >>109139556
hi. another day without gainful employment
how do you guys get chatgpt/claude to write a coverletter that doesnt suck and doesnt sound like generic shit? My workflow so far is making a cv is asking > should we hire this dudeposting the ad and draft cv and then iterating. that works semi well however cover letters are much harder. I try to walk it through but it keeps spitting out generic answers. For some reason chatgpt leads me into a infernal hell chase always pointing out some mistake while Claude makes a hard stop after 1-2 answers and tells me to fuckoff if I dont have any ideas. Thoughts?
>>109179077Put the bot in an Albuquerque loophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3jCuITwcE
lmao
>>1091826531year of interviews but no commitments, I feel like a foid desperate to "settle down" before I hit the wallThings are so bad that I'm interviewing for an operator role at a blind factory tomorrowThat isn't even a new type of OOP design pattern, it's a real, concrete, factory :/
>>109182319If you really wanted to do some damage to the jeets, you'd hack and take down this sitejobpostingtoday.com
>have two interviews today>took the day off worki forgot how bright and colorful and happy life is when you aren't running on 5 hours of sleep!!
I feel like every second I'm not apploooying to jobs after waking up at 3pm from my depression sleep is wasted time. I get no time to learn anything because either I'm browsing 4chan or apploooooying to jobs every waking hour
>>109182843you can't. AI writing is garbage because it's too optimized. human writing has silly quirks that AI cannot replicate.
Going to hear back today about making it to the second round. Tomorrow at the latest.
>>109184068i believe in you, sasuke
Are onsites to double check you deserve the job or am I still unlikely to get it? I'm 22
>>109183517There is something not being told here, I have a crumb of his experience and just landed a job.
I'm bored of leetcode I'm just going to work on my project I think. Will I miss out on any cool hacker tricks I'll actually use?
>>109184479how many leetcode problems have you solved
>>109184479why are you doing leetcode?
>>109184494because he wants to get a job
literally no one cares about jeetcode anymore not even big companies. AI coding rounds are the new meta
>>109184506I literally have 2 leetcode interviews scheduled today at 2 different faang companies
>>109184486uh i can rotate an array and did some two pointer ones and find the best sub array stuff. super cool but i got like 100 more hours in the leetcode 100 udemy class and Pratik does a good enough job explaining and showing but his accent is heavy and he already speaks fast so I can only have in on 1.5x with captions and not 2x.
>>109184510lies
>>109184512>super cool but i got like 100 more hours in the leetcode 100 udemy classdo you seriously need classes to learn leetcode? holy hell man>>109184518cope
>>109184527so you got OA invite which they send out to everyone like candy
>>109184527I don't want to reinvent the rotating array just show me all the cool tricks so I can finally focus 100% on my project aaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>109184545I've interviewed at most companies in fagman>Microsoft - one hour interviews, 40-50 minutes leetcode question>Meta - multiple 1 hour long interviews, 45 minutes leetcode questions, alternatively some interviewers ask language specific stuff (how to build x class)>Apple - mostly language specific stuff (how to build x class), but some teams like leetcode instead >Google - almost always leetcodekeep coping
>>109184563>>109184545also forgot>amazon - always leetcode, no exceptions
>>109184504isnt leetcode only for mango?
>>109184563>>109184567and yet you're still here in the unemployed general
>>109184574>you're just a loser like me!lmaoeven in the best scenario it still takes multiple interviews and months of waiting to get one of these jobs. The interview to acceptance rate at faang is like 2-5%. I already have an offer for a 150k federal job but they take forever and I haven't started the onboarding yet, so I'm taking the opportunity to interview with faang for a better role.
>>109184588and yet you're still here
>>109184602I post in both generals :)
Friends -I work in a fly in minesite and wanted a 17 inch laptop My choices are a (AUD)$3200 with 16gb ram and a5070Ti 12GB GDDR7or$2500 with 24GB SO-DIMM DDR5-4800 and a 5070 8GB Why the fuck would I need a 5070Ti if I only have 16 gb ram? I'm only going to watch movies and call people N words on rust. The upgrade from 16 to the next tier of ram is $500I feel having the 24 gb of ram and a 8 gb is better than the first choice and cheaper, thoughts?A fatwah on ram prices.
>>109184774just get a macbook and be done with it
>>109184774Laptops are free anon.
>>109184527I was able to complete the AI portion of the (demo) test in like 28 minutes despite not knowing shit about django or python
>got hit with the "why should we hire you for this role"
Blackstone is pulling out of the world's largest data center project (37 buildings on 2100 acres). Without Blackstone's financing, it is unlikely the project will be able to find other funding sources, especially now that Blackstone is getting out, making everyone think they have inside information on the bubble popping soon.This follows Blackstone selling off their holdings in three other huge data centers.>According to Bloomberg, Digital Realty Trust would pay $1.2 billion of cash and offer $2.3 billion of its shares (which the PE giant has largely cashed in by now) to Blackstone funds; in exchange, the data center company will acquire Blackstone’s 80% interest in two 96-megawatt data centers in Manassas, Virginia, and a 50% interest in a 96-megawatt center in nearby Sterling.Could this be the start of the great bubble popping? Will you hold a grudge against companies that tried to replace you with AI? Or are you going to meekly return once they start hiring humans again?
how the FUCK do i get an internship
>>109184259It's luck. You got lucky and he didn't.
>>109183517That's sad :(I hope he can get a job soon.
>>109187170Have you tried being brown, spelling common words wrong, and speaking with an accent?
>>109187210i swear theres a fat nigger that doesnt fucking know what an array is, he keeps switching jobs every 2 months
>>1091871705+ years of experience in LLMs with a PhD.
>>109183517How does anyone let this happen after being employed long enough? Surely he has savings, right? My absolute worst case scenario involves liquidating my retirement accounts to pay off my house and then some.
>>109184527>>109185835I want to curl up into a ball and die>first question is a leetcode hard (but like really, really, really hard) >ask claude to find the question on leetcode>first comment>"I'll literally cry if this problem appears in an interview/OA. Took me 3 hours."couldn't figure out the optimal solution, brute force only passed 9/15 casessecond question was some generic backend debugging, I almost finished it. 5/6 cases.>AI won't tell you whats wrong with the code>AI won't generate code to fix the shit that's wrongall it will do it point you to the function you should be checking. What the fuck.
>>109187607why do people put up with this level of abuse... for 600k TC i guess but wow
Thinking of moving to europe to avoid leetcode, is it true you guys don't do it there?
is there any field in tech that isnt completely fucked for undergrads/newgrads? i dont even want to be a swe i just wanna work.
>>109187239Resources run out eventually, like time, money and water
>>109187884my friend with just HS diploma and only shit retail exp for 12 years finds jobs in like two weeks (yes theyre retail and not even FT but he still lives a frugal okay life)Going to college and even getting some industry exp but not enough or good enough fucks u so hard lmao. Too over qualified for shit min wage jobs and under qualified for even entry level jobs.. its literally just a one way ride to permanent underclass even worse than HS drop out min wage workers
>>109187911dude im so fuckign scared of finishing my CS degree with no experience, i got 1 year left to go and i got is rejections
>>109184567I hated my second Amazon interview. The first one was an HR screening. Seems like he knew a little tech. It took about an hour and went well. It was for an AWS BI Engineer. The first (and ultimately, only) tech interview was with a Chinese guy who was patient and nice, but his accent was so thick I couldn't understand what he was saying most of the time. He pasted in a bunch of text and the test was to pretend that the text was records in a database and to write a bunch of queries to analyze and summarize the data. I had been unemployed for two years by that point, and just froze up when I started writing the SQL. Shit sucked, especially since the job was about $145K base with a max bonus potential of a little over $50K. It all worked out in the end, though--the HR screener guy emailed me out of the blue about a year later and said that entire time had been eliminated in favor of AI query bots they pushed their customers onto. Finally got a job after almost four years with my girlfriend's company. Shit pay, and it's 50% travel, but it's mind-numbingly easy work, and to be honest, I'm just happy to be able to stop spending my IRA to live at this point.
>>109188038*entire team had been eliminated
>>109188038hey can you give me a job at amazon?
>>109188051I couldn't even get myself one. And even if I had gotten that particular one, I would have been out on my ass 11 months later.
>>109188038am i crazy or is 145k for a faang peanuts? I get 130k in a normal ass company with only 2 yoe
>>109188074It was just writing reports for customers all day. Nothing too earth-shattering. I was kind of jazzed to get the interview. After 23 years with a drug company, I was only up to $130K base with a bonus of $30K, which was senior manager/associate director pay for them, but since I didn't have any direct reports or budget authority, I had a big target on my back for several layoffs. They ended up firing me and a bunch of other people who were due six-figure severances over ticky-tack bullshit two weeks before a big layoff in 2022. A bunch of us spoke with a lawyer, and he said that while what they did was underhanded and scummy, in this jurisdiction, it wasn't illegal, so the best recourse we had was to just shit talk the company on social media and hope nobody worth a shit ever applies there again.
>>109187945>>109187884Why the fuck did you do a clearly dying career field? Did you retards not listen to the endless warnings that we gave you all?You deserve to be living on the street for being this naive. They don't even hire people with 5+ years of experience anymore. You have to be an h1B or you're out. You are clearly competing with bug labor, have some self respect for yourself and find a career field that actually respects a good work ethic. Like electrical work.
>>109188224you FAGS promised me 100k straight out of college not this shit show
>>109188258You were just born to early, It's over. You need to accept your place in the slave underclass to prop up your boomer and gen x masters, shekelberg needs his next dialysis done.
>>109188038>-the HR screener guy emailed me out of the blue about a year later and said that entire time had been eliminated in favor of AI query bots they pushed their customers onto
>>109184249I've done in-person interviews that yielded absolutely nothing, but it's better than never to be called.
>>109183550I may have secured the factory jewb, at least I can make a dent in my debts if I cbb to get up for the early shifts6 yrs xp SWE, one time startup failure, then living in ghost alley with interviews has led to this lol
>>109184978> I'm only going to watch movies and call people N words on rust.Grab a Macbook Neo for $699the SSD situation means the 8GB RAM isn't much an issue, and you don't have to put up with Windows bs
How does a new grad actually survive this market? Its becoming very easy to become nihilistic when it feels like the most experience devs in the field are struggling to get by as well, and I just would like some input on how everyone is getting through this market. again, sorry if this is common. I feel like I didn't specialize myself enough in college, but I'd like to get the chance to do so, yet there seems to be no opportunities around.
>Need 6+ years of fullstack agile API buzz buzz>Also your pay is 50% less and you'll be surrounded by cunts who will do git merges by hand because they're all psych majorsI was fully ready to embrace the technical writer meme but I can't even get a fucking interview. Are there other retards out there like me applying for this shit? Are we all that desperate now?
>>109190302whats a technical writer
>>109190309The fags who write all the internal and external documentations and guidese.g. https://docs.stripe.com/I never knew this was a thing, it was always us devs or the QA who maintained them, but with big enough companies that put out enough public facing shit they (once) needed people for it. I assume 90% of these roles are leftovers now that claudia can do her thing
>>109190302My first workplace was big enough to have a technical writer, I had to IM him any time there was a feature change and the docs might need updated, then before release he'd send us some Adobe site with the new manual to review. He wrote the manuals for every product. They were a lot more literate than what I saw when dev or QA wrote them.I never learnt his academic background, but the same company hired physics and mathematics grads to do QA. Some of them eventually became devs.This was as recently as in 2020 btw
>>109187793if you are happy making 50-80k a year, sure. if you want to get 6 figures, you're going through the whole humiliation ritual except the TC is 3 times lower and you pay half of it in taxes.
>>109190820>got paired with a tw briefly for a project>very impressed by the writing technique>especially after it became clear dude had no earthly idea whatsoever how the electronics he was writing about even worked
>Interest rates are still going up
>>109190820I tend to think some of the best devs are the ones who forced themselves to learn it as a tool instead of just being a nerd (which are better suited for architect roles). Like >109191155, had a behavior psych degree doing UX/HID work and could barely do anything beyond CSS yet had some fantastic insights on user flow and layouts.But fuck me, I have a English degree and a history of being an Editor and I'm not even getting rejection letters for TW roles.
everywhere i go i keep getting fired or looked at strangely. i dont get office politics. everyone talks more than works and then they begin to exclude me before i eventually get fired :/
>>109191864Sounds like you may be a sperg or ugly or both. Try to get a WFH job.
It's really difficult to stay motivated when you realize just how much of the job hunting process is purely luck and bullshit factors you can't control.
>>109192193this is good for me because i'm neither talented nor hard working. just gotta roll the dice enough
>>109192083how can i make people like me? i do this thing where my mouth gurgles in my throat. i dont interact well with other men and women always look at me in disgust. the first days are nice then they look weird. i entered a breakroom and everyone left.
this zoomeroid high school dropout worked at openai and then left to start his own thing. how does that make you feel?
just realized I wrote a memory leak in my live coding interview yesterday and idk if the interviewer picked up on it or not :(
certificates? projects? even better grades? honestly dude what do i need to even get a fucking internship. im not in the us or europe IT CANT BE THAT BAD ALL OVER THE WORLD
>>109182319>Hoarding retro junk as a copeThis read, and felt like a personal attack. I'm trying not to be this person anymore.
Question:How do I become an employed tech worker?I dropped out of University CS and now have a CompTIA Core A+.Cant find a job to save my life.They keep telling me to get more certificates but certificates cost money and how tf am I supposed to pay for them without a fuggin job?
>>109193049I'm recovering. This was my collection. I've since thinned it out. Lost the interest desu
I can't even begin to describe my feelings toward css
>>109193306literally no one gives a fuck about css
>>109193054>They keep telling me to get more certificatesIgnore this; it's bullshit. The posters on /g/ are worthless. The reality is, no professional certification will ever guarantee you a job. You already have everything you need to get started in an IT career; you just need someone to give you a chance. And that's the thing that simply doesn't exist any more. Your best bet would probably be to get an unrelated job at a very small company, maybe processing payments or something, and tell them that you're interested in IT and ask if you can help out with it as part of your job. If that doesn't work either, well, life is difficult for everyone and all you can do is keep trying. Keep trying, and do not ever listen to the fucking retard NEET LARPers on /g/.
>recruiter reaches out for a position>I check all the boxes>"but do you have a certificate in Microsoft Azure Virtual Desktop"?>tell him no (who the fuck has that?)>I have a degree in software engineering and have professional experience in everything they are asking for>"Yeah but they really want that piece of paper.">he's apparently brought them many candidates that go through all the interviews and do well but they keep dropping them because they don't have the certification >I'm like the fifth guy this year he's found for them>dude actually sounds exhausted talking about it>say he's going to ask them if they will drop the requirement and get back to me>I ask him I'm if the only one on the team who will be working with AVD>"No they have many other people on the team">tell him I'm willing to learn and they should be able to teach me fairly quickly>"They really want to avoid any training for new hires"He hasn't gotten back to me so I think I know the answer. HR in America is a complete disaster. What is this mental illness
>>109193355>You already have everything you need to get started in an IT career; you just need someone to give you a chance. And that's the thing that simply doesn't exist any more.yea that was my impression as well. i know some people who work in IT and most are dumber than a fucking rock and do nothing except play video games all day.im just so sick and tired of being treated like literal human trash.i honestly dont even want to try anymore. i've taken the hint. they want me to go fuck myself.everyone who knows me agrees that i should work in IT, but I can never get past that motherfucking HR roastie.>>109193446>say he's going to ask them if they will drop the requirement and get back to meI 100% guarantee that requirement has been decided on by some retarded HR roastie whos entire job is to answer emails all day long.>HR in America is a complete disaster.its not just America. the disease has swapped over the pond and HR roasties decide every aspect of everyones lifes.
>>109193493I was honest with the guy and we had a bit of a laugh because I said if I got a cert for everything I worked with I wouldn't have time to work and he agreed. It's just ridiculously unreasonable.
>>109193446This shit is trivial. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/credentials/certifications/azure-virtual-desktop-specialty/?practice-assessment-type=certification#certification-prepare-for-the-examNext time just tell them that you already have this and just do the cert in 2-3 days before they send you the offer.
>>109193983>$165 for a useless piece of paperyea no thank you HR roastie.maybe go fuck urself.
>>109183517sad>>109184259>>109187239he probably thought the same as you do; and then it happened to him.
>>109187239>Surely he has savings, right?He almost certainly pays a huge mortgage on an extremely expensive house, and has a very high cost of living based on the huge sums he was previously earning. Those costs will eat away anyone's savings after a couple of years.
Does anyone know why devs and IT people can't be hired part-time? 18-24 hours a week should be plenty enough to get some work done if you cut down on the meetings.
>>109194421Every problem in IT has its roots in HR
>>109190116Specialization is irrelevant, every single university at the undergrad level is generalized. You cant specilaize in anything unless you go to school further or self learn afterwards. And it doesn't matter anyways, you won't get the job. The industry is already shifting entirely overseas at this point. Its over. Why do you fucking idiots keep throwing your lives away doing CS? Its over, How many times do we have to tell you? Go learn a trade or do what the market currently favors. Healthcare jobs.
>>109194639what trade would you tell your daughter to learn
>>109194654Electrician, Industrial HVAC, elevator tech, etc. These jobs don't require that much upper body strength. And females get preferential treatment anyhow, blue collar and white collar, unless its healthcare.She wouldn't even have a hard time finding a tech job, all it takes is a face to face with an HR lady and instant hire.
>>109194639>Healthcare jobs.you mean caring for dying boomers.you mean caring for the people who have actively sabotaged my life every step of the way.FUCK.NO.they can all die in a fire for all i care
>>109194682this. its literally immoral to work in healthcare.
>interviewer asks me why this role specificallydude you have access to my candidate profile you can check that i applied to 10 other jobs at this company
I planned to take three exams in about a month and a half, but after all this time, I've only just reached the halfway point of the first one.
>talking to 3 companies this week>failed the OA for 1, already got rejected>other 2 interviews went meh>expecting the rejection emails next weekback to square 1
>>109195379i dont even get interviewed.all im getting is a rejection mail.
I'm still waiting for the call center to call me
>>109194030That's my issue. If I got a cert for everything I worked with I'd be spending thousands
I'm giving up on the tech market (and the job market as a whole). the writing has been on the wall for a long time; hundreds of applications for the chance of one interview/response is a losing game. I'll expend that effort on finding other ways to live.
How do I cope with being rejected from a position I wanted because I love the company? Like I would have worked for min wage there. And no it isn't a FAANG, gaming or F500 or anything like that, just a medium size non-startup.
>>109194030>>109195457yall companies not paying for certs?
>>109194030Well, looks like you don't want the job then.
>>109197297>because I love the companyHere is your mistake.
>>109197376you are mean
>>109197379And you are a poopy head.
>>109194421Pretty much all IT jobs consist of working on computers and servers that someone else is also using. If we start fucking with IT working hours, all you'll get are 100% night shifts and weekends.
>>109194721I got a phone call recently asking me to arrange an interview for a job that was entirely migrating Microsoft servers. I remembered that I had been on Indeed and seen this job and applied for it, then been recommended another job I was a better match for at the same company, so I applied for that as well and told them to ignore my first application. Then it happened again with a third job at the same company, then a fourth and fifth. It was a ridiculous experience. On the phone to the guy, I told him I didn't want to do Windows servers and asked if I could interview for the Linux migration job instead. He said yes!I fumbled the interview, anyway. I used to do it all the time in my old job and it was literally just scp and rsync with a checklist for things like changing your hosts file. The first question I was asked in the interview was how I'd add multiple users to the sudoers group without using vi. I had no idea. Just tell them to use su lmao
>>109197297Find the person who would have been your boss, add them on Linkedin, ask for some interview feedback, and apply for future jobs with the same company. Don't apply through the usual channels; phone the office or something.
>>109182319>"Hoarding retro junk as a cope" editionAbsolutely based tho.
>>109197671>The first question I was asked in the interview was how I'd add multiple users to the sudoers group without using vi.I'd say "using vim". Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.
>>109197671> how I'd add multiple users to the sudoers group without using vi.script a call to gpasswd? easy peasy oneliner with a bash for loop. anon, you have to know some shell tricks, right?
The qt working at the front desk at my apartment said she could try getting me a job with her boss as an assistant thoughts?
>>109193355based postjust keep trying there is no way it can be this fucked forever right
Whenever I see a job advert with a how to apply section and it says email or message someone, I always assumed it just some generic blurb they had in the advert they copy and pasted around the place.Turns out HR cunts will actually use that as a filter (and probably break the platform's ToS) and ignore anyone that clicked apply insteadhttps://www.reddit.com/r/UKJobs/comments/1una3pn/posted_a_job_this_week_had_70_applications_only/
>>109199396pretty based tbhdesu, filters out the jeets and bots
>>109199218how do you afford rent at an apartment with a front desk?
I see a lot of posts online about getting jobs by cold emailing founders and such. how do you find small companies like that without a dedicated HR?
>>109199504it's all jeetslop, they search through ycombinator and dm the foundersdon't bother, some dude posted about how he got funded by yc and within a week he had 30 cold emails without even posting a job advertisement anywhere
>buildinghe's BUILDING teh software y'all! he's a software BUILDER. stop kidding yourself faggot, you are BUILDING nothing, you fucking cunt.
>>109199915building; shipping
>>109199489its honestly not that expensive where i am at. Its a very old building and the rent is basically the same as renting a townhouse or anything else.
>>109199489a lot of apartment buildings in the west have this even if they're for poorsif anything it's a way to cheap out (false economy) on on-site supers. instead of renting an apartment for basically nothing, you have a minimum wagie there to just call the plumber the sup would have called anyway
>>109194639yes anon, go to school for 4-10 years to get what is in vogue right this second and probably won't be in 4-10 years
Genuinely haven't been able to think about anything but finding a job for the last 6 months
>>109182319>Month 10 of unemployment. >Now living in my mom's basement >brokeguess im gonna go to school and in four years I can graduate and "start" my "career" at fucking 40 years old at which point live in a $1500/mo 400sqft studio and hack away at student loans till I'm debt free then spend the next several years saving my ass off (still living in a 400 sqft studio btw) at which point I can (maybe) buy my first home at 55 years old. Next, I'll find a cute 50 year old to settle down with and start a family (not).other than suicide idk how to cope, just start doing drugs and forget this is all retarded?
>>109201091this but a year instaed
>>109183517>post goes viral>gets several job interviews (10 in two days)lmao
>>109201324>want to interview me? set it up on my calendarboomers live in a different reality, imagine if this guy was a newgrad with just an internship and not 25 yoe at a bunch of companies. he would still be getting nothing.
>>109201342>go viral>so many interviews can't handle them all>sets up calendly>"living in a different reality"but yeah you can't compare a guy who was a founding member of frontier AI labs and has 25 years of experience as a programmer to a new grad
>>109201324why was this guy unemployed anyway? he worked at groq and carmack's AI lab. wouldn't carmack set this nigga up at some place if he was unwanted there
>>109201373Good question, you'd think with those places he'd have some connections idk the lore
>>109201354It is a completely different reality. The system takes care of it's boomers. Imagine if this guy was a 22 year old, he made the exact same post>I just graduated from uni, I had an internship at (xyz midsize software company) a year ago, and now after 1000 applications I can't find a job. I'm willing to learn whatever language you want. pls help my parents are going to kick me out and I have a $600 monthly student loan paymentzero interviews
>>109201384>25 yoe>new gradyeah those are different realities you're right my bad
>>109182319Is it just me or are technical interviews getting impossible. No I don't know the right pattern or wrong antipattern for an MLP table. I learned heaps and linked lists like everyone else.
Look at this shit, this guy has 3 YOE (reddit), is on H1B and landed a job after 50 applications. Tell me the system isn't rigged
>>109202017Flagrantly illegal but no one cares
>>109202017>Applied: 313>18 recruiters reached out (rejected by 4 after they reached out)>3 OAs (rejected after 2), one led to a first round >15 first rounds / screening interviews - 2 rejected>13 second rounds - 9 rejected>4 third rounds - 3 rejected / ghosted>1 offer waitlistedI have 4 yoe btw
>>109202116Forgot, 5 OAs actually (4 led to rejections)
>>109201198Be me, a thirdie, no college debt, but diploma is literally useless, broke to the point when I borrow money from people to pay for public transport... An Im here since 2018
>>109201198Suicide is legitimately a valid option, I don't understand why there are so many fucking people that are vehemently against it. If a large chunk of the population dies off overnight this will fuck the economy so bad that they will have no choice but to give jobs to more people.
>>109202116when i see posts like these, i wonder if the person behind it used to be one of the smug/arrogant dipshits in twg who berated anyone who complained about job hunting or being new to the industry.
>>109193446lmao yeah people avoid microsoft certs because theyre fucking awful. they have no good textbooks, require you to navigate microsoft's insane moving labyrinth of marketing terms and jargon, and they only last 1 year.
>>109202619I didn't know twg / utwg existed when I had a job. so no.
>>109201215This but 2 years.
I have applied to 100 jobs since march and I have found thta 97 of them were complete fake bullshit. Where do I publish my findings?
>>109204837facebook reddit
>>1092020177 interviews in 50 applications is fucking absurd lmao
>>109202116thats not that bad 15 first rounds in 313 applications is good as fuck
>>109199396>(and probably break the platform's ToS)oh nooooooo
>>109204837Fake how? Did they reply to you to tell you that the job never existed? You could definitely post on Linkedin about it and go viral there.
I'm a javascript monkey with no CS degree and experience working at tiny startups. Looks like most big enterprises run on Java or C# and some on Go. Is it worth learning these languages?
>>109199489i dont think i've ever toured an apartment that didn't have a front desk (US)
>>109207018Where are you finding .Net/C# listings? All the companies in tech hubs seem like they’re exclusively newer stacks. I
>>109207054hiring cafe
>thread getting faster and faster every monthyou feel it too... don't you?
So what are you guys doing for work in the meantime, working as store clerks?
>>109207712I'm starting to think there might be no meantime this time. Software hiring might never improve. I'm thinking of applying to EE jobs even though I struggled to get my EE degree. Took me almost 7 years for a 4 year degree with a shit gpa.
>>109207691Been this way for a while now
I'm spanish, should I:>shave my facial hair (whitemaxx)>grow one of those stupid goatees (hispanicmaxx)which would help during interviews?
>recruiters reaching out to me on sundayI'm that guy
>>109207712no, i cant even get min wage jobs either so i just have no job at all
>>109208300Whitemaxxing
>>109202017>>109202116I did my own little experiment and applied to jobs with identical resume except i said i was a girl and got 60% interview invitation rate vs my normal 2%. Also no cover letters. Honestly HR roasties deserve to be killed.
>>109210880I did this except with a CV that presented as a savvy black woman (she/her). I kept it for any company with obnoxious diversity statements in its job postings. Pretty hilarious to troll them, I answered a call but my ebonics weren't convincing
>>109201765I was failed for not knowing the right design pattern to use in a refactoring during a 2h interview. Mind you this was for Sr (everyone wants Seniors, no one wants to make them), so I've been autustically implementing the DPs in C# and reading GoF.
>>109210904Literally me when i failed an interview because i didnt know what an interface data type is in C#: an abstract classBro all fucking programming is abstract what does that even mean and why would i have a use case for this meme shit? Anyway instead of practicing them i just quit codemonkeying altogether now i do devops instead where i can write all the complex scripts i want that pseud codemonkey faggots could never comprehend with their gay OOP and “class abstraction” and inheritance. Like fuck off retard.
>>109210880>>109210898proof?
>>109208300You should just chorizomaxx.
I got the results from my interview, and apparently, I went off and called the interviewer slurs?? Do I email back saying there was a mistake or something?
>>109211227You’re unemployed. Take 2 hours out of your worthless day to check it yourself. Just make a new protonmail, open an incognito tab, make a new linkedin and indeed account, and go ham. Fuck you can probably halfass it in an hour. Check back next week and see an assload of invitations. I even had one that asked me to send them some open timeslots that i didnt respond to, then a week later sent me a calendar invite for a meeting anyway. Pressed accept and closed it lol
>>109211267as long as it wasn't the N word, I think it's fine
How do I clean up my back end?
so why dont you just get a job if you actually want one
>>109211022>because i didnt know what an interface data type is in C#: an abstract classAre you joking nigger? How about you fucking read through the documentation for your language before you apply for jobs? I can understand if you don't know how to bottom up DP over a matrix or implement a segment tree, but that's basic shit literally every modern language has. If you want to get a job in this market you need to put in more than the bare minimum effort.>Anyway instead of practicing them i just quit codemonkeying altogether now i do devops insteadlmao
>>109211588Like clockwork the room temp pseud cant help himself
>>109211645>hi i want to get a $120k/yr developer job>>ok, have you read like 40 pages of documentation?>NO WTF THIS IS BULLSHIT
>>109211664You’re making up nonexistent scenarios. Take your meds
im curious ive only done remote before have you guys looked into trying to apply at in person/hybrid places you'd need to move to, is that still a thing?
>>109211885yes and its the same shit, everything is terrible everywhere.
Brownoid coworker is getting deported and turns out he was making more than me, isnt the whole point of hiring illegals to spend less?
>>109211227Pretty easy to do, just research a few local companies on stinkedin, put down the founders/sr engineers as references, research posts to know the stack and guess likely tasks.I didn't even bother with a fake linkedin, got offers anyway
>>109211022I've always known devops were retarded but I didn't quite realize how retarded
>AI says if I get a reply back today post 8 rounds of interview it is likely them saying no>Says if they do want me they will likely say tomorrow coz paperwork takes timeIs this true?
>>109182319gonna be honest, i've got a CS degree and dont know wtf to do with it. webdev shit makes me want to evacuate my cranial cavity with a 12g. most of what i've spent my neet years with is tinker trannying with linux/homelab shit. i also did some informal IT work for my uncle's business but im kinda embarrassed to put that on my resume that said, i live in a major glownigger defense hub. should i get some IT certs and accept my fate as a helpdesk monkey or try to get into embedded
>>109213287niggas be 35 and still have no idea what to do with their lives
>>109213322true!
Reminds me of when I was a software engineer. The engineers were overworked and wanted more engineers, we'd take any warm body that could at least write a line of useable code. They hired no engineers and kept hiring managers assuming that'd increase productivity. All those managers did was call meetings that were indirect chastisements of engineers for not working hard enough and wanted to implement some sort of system to make us more efficient. At one point I had 6 direct bosses, none of which opened a text editor in their lives.
>>109213287when will LLMs take over sysadmin jobs
>>109213364fake bullshit jobs are sort of a necessary evil and if the economy can support it then why not? if you don't want red tape you can always join a startup
>>109213364the most cracked engineer out there (me) is currently unemployedhow times have changed
>>109199504what worked for me was just searching software companies on google maps, find their linkedin, check the people working there are using the stack i'm used to and just phoning the company directly
>>109213364those who don't read the mythical man-month are doomed to repeat it
>>109211267Firstly: was there a mistake, or did you actually do this? We all want to do it, and I think someone even posted here to say they actually did it once.
>>109213364At my Indian-owned smart meter customer service job, I have finally, after a month, been given permission to answer tickets. It turns out my boss had to approve the request for the access and didn't know this. I made a point to find a ticket I could do immediately, and start it, but I asked my boss to confirm I was doing it right since it was my first one. He knows a little bit more than me, but clearly struggled with even the basics that long-term pleb workers could have helped me with if they hadn't all gone home by that point. This company is so fucked. They literally can't keep staff long enough for anyone to understand or take responsibility for anything.
>>109211267
can i join the military at 30? I am all out of ideas at this point...
>>109213364That was my last job. We were all remote and had worked flexible hours since we had to be on call for when shit hit the fan. So some days we'd work 10 or even 12 hours. And it was just a thing that if you got to 40 hours early you'd just leave work early on FridayWe were overworked as it was, most people skipping their lunch just to get something done, and then they changed our hours without warning. No matter what you had to get eight hours in Mon-Fri. Oh you had to stay late on Monday for an extra 2 hours? Fuck you, you work 42 hours this week. Oh it happened mon-tues-wed? Not only are you working 46 hours this week and not getting compensated, because you're salaried, management is now going to be criticizing how this problem exists at all. Why can't you solve it? You need to explain to us every single day what the issue is in our stand up and why you're not solving it. Oh and make sure you log those hours in every single item you're juggling in DevOpsAnd then the cherry on top was after this was in for a few months and everyone was more over worked and stressed to shit they did surprise layoffs. Management was jerking itself off about how "productivity increased by an average of 10%" from the hours change and then fired 10% of the team after that. The demonic smile on the old boomer HR chick as she fired me was insane. Recent studies are showing that the burn out rate and mental health of software developers is reaching the same level as nurses and other healthcare service workers. Which is fucking insane. Everything needs to be full stack. Everything needs to be agile. Everyone needs to have a middle manager.
>9-10 hours of work tomorrow>+1.5 hours commuting>+ 2 interviews
It finally happened bros, I got the notice I'll be laid off at the end of the month assuming nothing changes. Luckily, I was keeping my resume updated in the worst case.How bad is the job market right now? I'm assuming just as terrible as it's been recently? What are the current strategies right now? I plan on doing leetcode and Indeed like I used to but not sure if there's other things I should check out.
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>>109215846are you an AI engineer? seems like every job is asking for an AI engineer now.
>>109215846Fine if you've got lots of experience doing something legit. I was unemployed for two whole weeks before finding a new job in February.
My parents are forcing to go back to school and get a nursing degree even though I absolutely do not want to be a fucking nurse. I’m so fucking fucked :(
>>109186839>Where do you see yourself in 5 years?
>>109207712I work as a part time tard wrangler, picking up random shifts at group homes
be honest, is it really over?
>>109215924every job needs you to be an AI engineer nowI havent written a line of code in about a year nowdo NOT waste your time learning to code
>>109216199I didn't mean it in that way. AI engineer usually works on LLM integration, agent orchestration, model deployment, fine-tuning etc.
>>109202017they literally only hire their own
>>109213489Hopefully it will take long enough that I can get a job for another year or two and become a plumbercel in the meantime. The overlords will surely make people take care of their shit without using AI as a humiliation ritual.
>>109215846At least you got that I got a random meeting, had the meeting, then got laid off in the span of like two hours
>>109215924Do you mean actually indian? Because that seems to be the best way to get hired now
alright i am gonna go back to school. 1 year of unemployment and 0 cash left. what to pivot to?
>>109216199Do you specialize in spam emails or just rendering static text on a page. Because I write code every day at work at a normie type job as a systems programmer. Not a startup but a real place. We hire new ppl all the time and zoomers literally can't do anything even with every type of AI subscription we have them all.
>>109216488don't pick any of the things I'm doing, I don''t want competition
There is quite literally no aspect of my waking life that would be preferable to the nothingness of death.
>>109217041I felt this post
>>109217041Don't kill yourself until you have tried anabolic steroids
>>109217041>>109217291this but unironicallysurrender your body to the pursuit of excellence and try a shit load of experimental peptidesit's like being an organ donor but you're donating your organs to the aryan spirit of exploration instead of some fat obese sheebon
>>109182319So the indians just laid off thousands, to rehire only their race, this time another part of Microsoft.
>>109217329You look like a retarded mutant
>>109217339it's called mogging, unc
>>109217041There's no jobs.Even if there is a job, it's some shit I know I'll either quit or get fired from in 3 months.I can't just go back home.I can't stay here.Just waiting for the money to run out before I kill myself.
>>109217351The main thing is to have a drive to make your life nice in spite of how shitty the rest are by nature.This can be challenging, without God.In fact, the will to fight the alien demon religion necessitates an inner Crusade.Because, I think, but, if I *did* win the lotto, would I be able to be in these trenches day in and day out?
>>109217359Whenever someone begins to point out the problems with human society one of these Abrahamic cockroaches crawls out from under a bed and insists the solution to all of this is worshiping Levantine rabbi, who threw his life away because the Pharisees Jews weren't Jewish enough for his liking. Then when you point out the mountain of passages where he says goyim are worthless and will receive nothing from his God the roach shrugs and goes>le works in mysterious ways :^)The Japanese were right to drown you.
>>109217359I notice no one ever becomes Christian because their life is going well.The only reason I'd need a church is to eat the free Progresso soup they give out when I inevitably become homeless.
>>109217329>>109217347Eh, I wasn't really advocating looksmaxxing. I just think you should get strong.
>CTO emailed me today that I did great on the onsite last Wednesday and will return to me by ThursdaySurely he isn't asking for this time to reject me, right? RIGHT?
>>109217370Abrahamic is a term mostly used by snakes.What kind of snake? An old kind of snake. Arius was his name, and he was defeated.Yet here he is again.I reject Arius an all his friends and copy-cats.
>>109217386>"you should take drugs, but in like the gay pointless millennial midlife crisis way, not the new experimental zoomer way"
>>109217458>And the Romans, where are they now?
>>109217468You don't know who Arius was, what kind of snake, or what the Nicene Creed is, or why it answers many questions, doubts, and is fundamentally our snake-away formula.
>>109217476I know Jesus told the non-Jew Goyim they were still cattle-people, didn't have souls and God spit on them. I know Jesus was lynched by Romans for being an annoying retard. I know the Pharisee Jews paid them to do it because he was disrupting their racket. I know Christianity is only growing in the world's brown or black low IQ demographics. I know whenever someone tries to discuss anything the serial well-poisoners, known as the Christians, summon their masses of destitute losers and brainwashed simpletons to begin espousing Abraham's mythos while insisting they aren't golems.
>>109217491we get it bro ure really angry ur parents took you to sunday school
>>109217491The average /utwg/ poster kek
>>109217491prattle.You are ignorant. You don't know who Arius was.Curse Vishnu.
>>109217535>Curse VishnuWho wouldn't?
:)he didn't.
>be unemployed>decide to waste your time arguing about religion onlineterrible use of free will
The Nicene Creed is great, because it resolves many of our problems.Catholics belong to the Vatican, which has fallen to the Arius heresy.So, having a faith test for citizenship would rid us of so many:>mexicans (catholic = arius)>hindus>It's a very good solution, pre-build software from the history of Christianity.
>>1092175697 AM, the harsh alarms awake,"Wagie, wagie, get in the cagie!"The bossman’s orders, don't be lazy! Zero breaks will make you crazy,Keep on grinding, never lazy, Wagie, wagie, get in the cagie!
>>109217645sure, I'll gen that.https://files.catbox.moe/ob0agn.mp3
what is going to happen to the new grads that can't get jobs nows? fable and 5.6 only made them less relevant, is it over for the morons who got into this without passion?
>>109218051Wagies will have to pay more tax for their neetbux.
>>109217041I like browsing 4chan and drinking my coffee
>>109218915proof you drink coffee?
Recruiters have no idea what they're talking about and definitely drop qualified candidates from their pipelines all the time.>9000 years of typescript is very impressive but we need someone who knows javascript
>recruiter call>"oh yeah so the next round is going to be a conversation with the hiring manager, if you pass that then we'll go onto the technicals :^)"just fucking put the leetcode in front of me already holy fuck stop wasting my time
>>109219680Oh I know first hand.>be me>interviewing for company>technical round>realize the interviewer (a dev mind you) doesn't know shit, still try my best to explain things>ghosts me>learn a friend of a friend is a director there>friend gets me in contact with them>director forces interviewer to give me take home>gives me something he has been stuck for 5 months expecting me to fail>succeed in 2 days (was given 1 week)>impressed and passes mestill left after 3 months because I refuse to work with such retards
>>109219718>leetcodeimagine being american
>>109219742imagine being a euromutt with a salary cap of like 50k eu after 20 yoe working in offices without AC
>>109219774go grind your leetcode goy
>>109220160I do it for fun, and ive been doing it for years. Interview prep is just a nice added bonus.You can't manually implement a heap; I can. I will outcompete you.
>>109219680>>109219740This is much worse when that person is your actual manager. Imagine having a new manager that doesn't realize what an IDE is. And asks you if you "created the .NET Framework".Now imagine you're dealing with explaining to this woman why email validation is so hard for a bug you're working on. And she can't figure out why you can't just "program it away" and she thinks you're retarded while your coworkers in the stand up are trying not to bite their tongue
>>109220358lol
>>109215810>one interview down
>>109220632why interview if you can work?
>>109220642my current job is $20 and not tech.i think in 3 months im either quitting or unaliving
>>10922065020 dollars is a lot
>>109220655No, it isn't. its nothing. 30k a year is a joke. i cant afford to move out again and i have 40k in debt to pay off.
>>109220676why debt?
>>109220650if u get in tech industry u will want to kyswamgap much sooneru might earn more money though especially if you can prove all your colleagues are dumb af(they are i promise)
>>109220999cut the bullshiti used to be a swe, it was great. you have no idea how good you have it. i would do anything to go back in time 2 years. fuck you.
>>109183517>Noo I helped make AIs and shit why am I homeless nowKarmic Justice.
>>109188074it would've been 145 base with like 50 in stock per year. fair for entry-level faang bi engi
>>109202050>flagrantly illegal>muh rule of law>muh democratic institutions>muh "will of the people"lol, lmao
>>109187170you need to interview for most internships the year beforeinternships have turned into the nepo pipeline with so many artificial barriers to entry that unconnected people basically dont have a chance
>>109190302yeah so basically there are zero jobs but dont worry the 2 jeets who got hired are going to be sure to say but i got el hired
>>109193033uhhhh the turd world basically doesnt have a job market compared to us/europeif americans are becoming structurally unemployed you are beyond fucked
>>109199229we arent even in the recession yet btw :)
>>109195391I've applied to hundreds of jobs and gotten maybe a dozen rejection mails lolmao
>>109217291nigga steroids are hundreds of dollars a month do you think i have that money
>recruiter screening>"so this position requires a bachelors degree, you have one right?">no i'm self taught>"oh! well... it doesn't matter, anyways...">"yeah so this interview went well, ill send some feedback to the hiring manager and let you know if you're moving onto the next round! keep an eye on your inbox :^)"note:- I do not have "degree" listed anywhere on my resume- I do not have an education section on my resume- I put down "no" in the multiple choice question when asked if I had a degree on the job application- I left the education section blank on their website when they ask you to input your resume into their custom text fields
>>109222021I'm glad I powered through my degree even though at one point it looked hopeless. Don't have to deal with needless shit like this on top of an already tough market
>>109210880Why? There's nothing wrong with in-group preference, it's natural and based. You're just getting outcompeted because your own kind refused to practice it. It's like raging at someone for not joining your suicide cult.
>>109222080if you prefer your "in-group" so much, there's an entire subcontinent filled with a billion of you. you should stay there.
>>109222021And yet they're still interviewing you. Do they really just pick people at random to interview?
>>109222118Yeah just randomly select however many candidates they can actually go through and don't even look at the qualifications, it would take too much time since you'd have to read all of them first. After, you don't want to hire unlucky people, do you?
I'm starting to get really sick of the fake Indian job offer recruiter scams
>>109195391Don't take it personally. I've been out of work since March and applied to literally thousands. Most of it are just fake positions
>>109197309My company used to have a focus on training and certs before it went full retard Jack Welch style and the stock dropped 80% lmao
>company I interviewed with does an extensive background check>they are going to easily find out I lied on my resumedrugs for this feel?
>>109222402
>>109222402just withdraw your application
>>109222402gov?
>>109222402weed, it help you come to terms with your fear and develop a plan of action
Still earning $156k from my wfh programming job. Got over $1.2 million in liquid investments because I've been saving 70% of income for last several years. Teaching myself quantitative finance for when I'm inevitably laid off and need to convert my portfolio over to generating income.
>>109222628how long have you been working?
can jannies ban everyone who comes in here to brag about being born 10-15 years earlier
>>10922267514 years now. I started out making $75k.
>>109222679Over here most job offers directly through company I see are for juniors because I guess you're just expected to network for mid/senior positions. Looks like the younger ones are luckier right now.
>>109222679
>>109222728can we kill all boomers already
every day is a lil worse than the last one
I feel like shit went off track when some middle manager at one of my company's clients came in, decided to use some unknown metric to measure efficiency, and when it came up in his metrics that I was doing literally 0 work, it couldn't be that he had me assigned to the wrong project or my project was missing in his metrics (I'll never know because my company never got to see his metrics, we just had to take his word for it), it must be true and I must have been doing literally nothing.Never mind that the team I was actually working directly with were super happy every time I demoed what I was working on and the diagnostic tool I was working on actually saved another team a mountain of work by diagnosing a problem it was meant to diagnose.Didn't directly lead to me getting fired but it did lead to me getting assigned shit short term tasks until the company ran out of those.
>>109219740I work in QA and our QA manager doesn't know the difference between branch and build, between .apk and .ipa files, between regression and retesting. His main job is ensuring we are agile and AI driven all the time (I don't think we are). I hate this place.
>>109220232Woah, we got a badass over here. Easy there, Turing.
>exaggerate a bit through interviews>add a few details that didn't really happenalways scared ill get caught
>>109222739Wait, can we do a population breakdown by age too, so we can see the population sizes of those age groups?
They'd said that they'd contact me and if I had any further questions to email them, but I still haven't received anything. Should I follow up or just move on?
>>109223340How long have you waited? If it was for more than one - two weeks already then it's most likely over.
>>109223350Two weeks tomorrow. Guy told me to expect an email in about one and a half weeks, but I know the fourth of July just passed. Office was small and only a handful of people work there while the rest of the company is in a different state, so maybe they're just slow?
>>109223373Could be, after two weeks it also maybe a good idea to reach out to them too.
>deep in the interview process with a company>team lead is out for 3 weeks and im supposed to interview with him>interview delayed indefinitely
>>109223412That's what I plan on doing tomorrow morning. Guy who interviewed me was friendly and assured me that whatever I don't know would be picked up on the job with the caveat that I'd come in earlier and stay later because 1) I'm younger than the office by about a decade and 2) I live very close. I don't know. I'm just trying to not lose confidence.
anybody got a time machine I could borrow?
>>109223564we need an hr roastie holocaust
>>10922341750 percent chance the whole thing is a lie to ghost you50 percent chance they forget about you and ghost you
srs question how am i supposed to find a gf if im unemployed and poor?
>>109223639Don't worry anon.Being unemployed and poor has nothing to do with you being unable to find a gf.
>>109223696thanks, i can work on the other things since they seem more possible than finding a job desu
>>109223708anon unless you are obese, there is no amount of working on yourself that will fix it
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>>109184506>literally no one cares about jeetcode anymore not even big companies. AI coding rounds are the new metafalse
>>109183517>been programmer for 25 years>about to face homelessnessHow in the flying fuck is this becoming a common trend? How does one burn through so much money and savings in such a short period of time?
>>109191602
I'm sad inside bros...
