>>109230301
Made by people that only listen to music for 30 minutes a day btw.

>>109230241
dumb clanker lmao
what kind of obscure pos does it recommend?

>>109230318
Sex with Asano

>>109230405
it was recommending an acoustune hs1750cu and aaw z07

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Nigga...

>>109230622
>acoustune hs1750cu and aaw z07
holy shit

>>109229704
I have the best speakers too. I use speakers during the day. Headphones during the night. IEMs when outside.

Any downside to using Qudelix 5K connected to my PC?

I was looking at some of the bigger desktop DAC/AMPs and apparently they're not that much better and also need you to install drivers?

>>109230963
no downsides that i can think of, its a fine dac

>>109230963
You can. The downsides are it's limitations. You don't need drivers for no DAC.

>>109230978
meds

>>109230973
>>109230976
Thanks

>>109229883
Tangzu Xuan NV is too smooth in the treble in my experience. Boring.

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For the first time I'm actually using the freebie pouch that comes bundled with an IEM
Thanks Asano!!!

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>do not argue with Headpos Show e-celebs or ASR WILL delete your posts
They locked the whole PEQDB thread because Listener cried that people were challenging his opinions, how can one man be so soft?
I heard he just bans anyone who disagrees with him on Discord too.

>>109231359
peqdB diamond reigns supreme

>>109231359
forums are just circle jerk group wanks. why even participate.

June AR/VR AES Conference papers now available.
https://mega.nz/folder/kBpBnYAC#YbrNLtb-MmzcyzrRpDImdw

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Is this a good DAC

Is someone tried reshelling 5usd shit buds into something more expensive, then eq it to perfection, then blind test it with more expensive IEM in same shell?
Seems like only way to prove that without any biases.
Like lets say 2 expensive feeling shells, one with drivers from let's say 300usd chink iem, second with drivers from 5usd shitbuds, same weight, same outside appearance, then eq them as close as possible, then blind test it.
If driver quality have such big impact on overall sound 5usd shitbud will stand no chance despite appearing exactly the same on fr charts


Anyone tried cayin ru9 or similar portable tube amp. Meme or not?

>>109232203
I remember something similar it was a blind test and the $35 cadenza's won against kilopos kek

>>109232203
RU9 is good, better shelf life than the XDuoo Tube portable

>>109232224
It needs to be done without any biases. That's why same shell (preferably not translucent )same cables, same weight, same volume, even same surface temperature and tuning as close to each other as possible so listener doesn't have any clues which one is which.
I think it could be done, it's easier done with IEMs than full size headphones, u can't transfer drivers beeetwen them so easily.

I think more expensive stuff have drivers of better quality, that can probably outpace cheap stuff in terms of resolution they can produce but I'm actually curious how that stuff will defend itself in blind test.
Because reviewers shilling that kilobuck stuff like it was something else. On the other hand if simple cheap driver with EQ shilled by jeets would give same results as 300usd or even 1000+ USD stuff it would wipe entire hobby of hearing stuff that don't exist.

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>>109232265
every non retarded pos enjoyer knows that cuter the mascot, the better it performs in tech department

>>109232265
>if simple cheap driver with EQ shilled by jeets would give same results as 300usd or even 1000+ USD stuff it would wipe entire hobby of hearing stuff that don't exist.
Are you genuinely underage? There's no difference between snake cables and a coat hanger in blind tests and people are still buying snake cables. That's not how it works. You can even prove in a blind test that kilopos sounds worse, not the same, and they'll still be buying kilopos.

>>109232265
I'm not tuned into IEMs too much and still use my old XBA-Z5s, but cursory look-ins make me realise replacing them would honestly be with something like a HE Zhang Liao, FIESTA, or a XBA-N3. SOME kilobuck stuff seems appealing, but to me IEM build quality really doesn't seem like it improves with price, see CFA shells constantly cracking lmao.
With Headphones right now it's not that the value proposition shilled by Headpos Show and others is necessarily wrong sound-wise, but the build quality is so dogshite on stuff like Chinkfiman and Fiio FT1s, I don't mind spending a bit more on Yamaha or a super-engaged niche brand (like I planned to with ETA) knowing the dudes behind it will give a shit and actually service my cans for extend periods should something happen. I've had HD650s for 10 years though with zero issues though, so can't imagine that'd ever come up.
IEMs you don't even seem to get that even for the higher end stuff, this shit really is just disposable funko pop tier so I can't process spending more than 300-400 max.

>>109232283
Also forgot to add, but IEM value at the floor/entry point is so above and beyond what you get with headphones (compromised build quality out the ass). It just confuses me that the high-end IEM market is actually a thing, I can't see what value you're extracting beyond $500 max.

>>109232300
at that point you're mostly paying for the sound engineers to try cool stuff with the technology

Campfire used bellsing instead of knowles and audiofools loved that shit.

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>>109232274
So true.

>>109232322
I wish fox were real...

>>109232280
Maybe I am. U are right, even most trusted reviewer can jump out with stuff like different sounding cables or rj45 sockets. I don't expect them to change.
>>109232283
I certainly think that driver tech came long way in last decade or so, i still have my Shure se215 and it's behind even few dolar cheap chink stuff. I think same can be said about planar drivers inside full size headphones, can't deny advances in material science, magnets, diaphragm thickness ect. Maybe with dynamic drivers less so, tho it looks like there is still advances to be made.
But if would be funny if today's cheap stuff is comparable to today's expensive stuff because drivers are coming close to whatever is possible by physics and material science
>>109232263
I can buy cheap used unit with fucked 3.5mm jack, no problem for me because I'm using only 4.4mm but I have to look at repairability of it. Looks like fun little unit.

>>109231874
The blind test and volume normalization were genuinely good(unsurprising since he didn't make them), then he jeeted out with that shootout garbage. If you like the average of 700 people from all over the planet you're such a mutt you should just kill yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKdastyT_A

>>109232715
stop posting this israeli freak

>tfw live in an apartment building and the brown individual upstairs is drilling his asshole with the loudest biggest widest construction drill possible

Can't tell if being an IEMchad is the winning move to block the noise, or being a speakerchad to outnoise his stupid dirty faggot bitch ass.

>>109232772
Just call ICE on him.

>>109230318
if i can blow up to 500$ on iems what's the best of the best?

>>109232861
$20 bunnies

>>109232861
$500 is ripe for the taking. Nothing *really* warrants spending that much rn.
But Mega5-EST or Variations are solid choices if you have $500 burning a hole in your pocket.

>>109232861
there is no "best" what are your preferences? do you like a v or u shape? do you prefer a neutral sound? and if you donmt know why do you wanmt to spend so much? just get truthear hexa to start

>>109233019
Why would anyone get Hexa in the big 2026? PVRE EXISTS

>>109233019
i like as neutral / flat as possible generaly, something close to studio monitors would be nice.
i'm just willing to get something nice i already have some nice high end planar headphones but always used cheap ass earbuds when i was away and thought it was about time i upgraded that.
>>109233018
yea i don't *want* to spend 500$ it's just my upper bracket i guess, if they are 100$ that works too lol.

>>109232265
>I think more expensive stuff have drivers of better quality, that can probably outpace cheap stuff in terms of resolution they can produce but I'm actually curious how that stuff will defend itself in blind test.
"resolution" is not real, not measurable and not a property of a driver.
>drivers of better quality
also meaningless

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What do I set audio bit rate thingy to?
16? 24? 32?

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>>109233887

>>109232344
>Shure se215 and it's behind even few dolar cheap chink stuff
how do you know it's not because of its dogshit tuning?

>>109233916
384kHz

>>109233059
>i like as neutral / flat as possible generaly
crinear reference -- the flatest IEM in exitance

>>109233059
>something close to studio monitors would be nice
no IEM will give you this sound by default because of acoustic impendence, insertion depth and length modes. Only way is to EQ them by ear

>apple has the best bang for the buck earbud
strange. I'd expect chinese products to dominate this market but I don't even see any chinese brands where I live.

>>109234497
apple simply has better technologies and rnd they are applying to their product.
china WILL catch up sooner or later but they are not there yet

>>109233018
>Variations
too old to hold up in 2026. are you sharur himself?

>>109234971
It's still good. The jeet now grifts $8 shitbuds, not Variations. Keep up, gramps.

>>109235021
Everyone that owned variations moved on from variations, you keep up.

>>109235021
we all know what he's shilling. he's pushing psychosis, much like the tranny that patronizes this general.
and you're still incorrect. variations is overpriced for being a pos in 2026. outta place. not hyped anymore. let bygones be bygones.

>>109235070
>>109235076
Moved on to what? Good audio is timeless. Keep being a consooming retard buying the latest Flavor of the Month lmao.

>>109235131
>BA
>good audio
Moved on to 1DD with EQ obviously.

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Sometimes, I use flacs on a hi-res DAP.

But sometimes I use cassettes just for fun (with electrostatic IEMS so I can really hear that electric noise).

>>109235131
moved on to value propositions. $500 variations and what it provided was probably in the thousands years prior. and now, that tuning isn't anything to write home about.
pos will keep coming out at capabilities that pos 5 years previously costs $1K to obtain at a fraction of the price. and the next year a $100 pos will achieve what costed $500 years prior and so on, and so on.

>>109235277
I already prefaced that in my original post.
>Nothing *really* warrants spending that much rn.

>>109235171
based EDC pro chad

i never use my favourite pos anymore because it's such a hassle taking it out and putting it back in its perfectly climate controlled storage unit so i just use a cheap throwaway beater that sounds good enough to enjoy music with.

>>109235292
if that was true, certain pos in certain brackets wouldn't exist. forget about every pos at $500 as a whole, there's at least one that sounds like its price point and the others don't
there's at least one pos at $1K that sounds like its price point, and the rest don't.
not every $5K pos sounds like $5K but at least one does.
do you follow?

>>109235325
a $50 pos can sound like all of those with the right tips and eq

>>109235341
tonality wise, maybe.

>>109235325
>there's at least one pos at $1K that sounds like its price
>not every $5K pos sounds like $5K but at least one does
False. Nothing in those pos scales with the price.

>>109235325
Name any other IEM at $500 that sounds like its price point except for the two I already mentioned.

>>109235373
>moving the goalposts 101
if you're the same contrarian fuck that keeps arguing with everybody here, you need to stop conflating your own statements.
"nothing scales with price" isn't the same thing as "diminished returns". are you really arguing that 0 audible improvements exist above $50? at that point you've already lost the plot.
you're not even having a discussion if you already made up your mind and are just itching to argue for the sake of it. we've been thru this a thousand times.
by your own logic, there can't be an answer because you've already decided no pos above $50 has any audible advantage. so why waste everyone's time and beg for examples if you've ruled them all out beforehand?

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man, i dont know why you guys hate AI so much. mf's funny.

>>109235325
>if that was true, certain pos in certain brackets wouldn't exist.
wrong
>there's at least one that sounds like its price point and the others don't
let's say that's true... but you can say the same about $5 pos... there's one that will sound way above its price point.
>>109235370
why would it be tonality only

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the best tws you can get

>>109235478
>moving the goalposts 101
>"nothing scales with price" isn't the same thing as "diminished returns"
Nobody said that. You're getting angry about your own hallucinations again. You said there's at least 1 pos that sounds like its price. The reality is 0 pos sounds like its price. Price is unrelated to sound to sound quality so there are no "returns" to speak of.

>>109235370
>>109235531
what else is there other than tonality

>>109235553
true

>>109235478
you can't even define what an audible improvement is, what is there to argue about

>>109235526
it gets old real fast

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>>109235526
I prefer real organic mental illness.

>>109235270
>he has IT

How much did it cost? Did you refurbish it yourself?

>>109235566
Price brackets exists because something in them obviously has the best performance, and if there is no performance then why are there price brackets, he uses circular reasoning to claim that improvements exist even if he can't define what those improvements are. None of the objective measurements improve, but that doesn't bother him, that performance obviously supersedes them.

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>>109235642
I was working in a university library and found a box of ~10 of them (I think they used them for recording things many years ago). And 6 of them were completely unopened, still in the original plastic~!

So I asked if i could by them from the university... and they just gave them to me for free. They were like "literally no one has touched that box since 1995."

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>>109235679
>>109235642
They all had the same issue. Drive band replacement and replaced cracked idler gear. I machined a near idler gear out of brass so it would never been an issue again.

Wow/flutter at 0.03%.

>>109235553
>>109235566
anyone with half a brain can tell you what exists outside of tonality. better imaging, better instrument separation with busy audio, cleaner bass under load, lower distortion, more convincing macrodynamics, more natural timbre, better response at higher spls, better transient behavior, larger perceived stage. you don't have to value all of em equally, but pretending none of it exist outside FR is pure reductionism and willful ignorance.

>>109235270
Why not rip those cassettes. You know it won't last. Neither the cassettes nor the player. Odds are it will sound just as "fun" on your PMP.

>>109235714
Other than distortion it's all just tonality.

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>>109235714
Let me guess. You can hear it but can't measure it.

>>109235679
WHAT THE FUCK

>>109235714
>anyone with half a brain can tell you what exists outside of tonality. better imaging, better instrument separation with busy audio, cleaner bass under load
why can mics record all that but not measure?

>>109235714
>but pretending none of it exist outside FR is pure reductionism and willful ignorance
if those things actually existed outside of FR it would've been easy to prove just like with distortion.
So why is it no so? Where's objective metrics of soundstage, separation or macrodynamics?

>>109235767
>disagreeing over axioms instead of evidence.
that's a pretty diagram to explain your circular thinking and need for redefining terms that suit your delusions.
>better imaging? "that's just tonality."
>better staging? "that's just tonality."
>better transients? "that's just tonality."
>better dynamics? "that's just tonality."
>more expensive engineering? "price is unrelated."
you came up with that framework all on your own to protect your precious reductionism and it fails hilariously. you don't care to evaluate flaws in your own thinking because you're too quick to reduce everything down to the one thing you think you understand, which is FR, and keep changing terms. you lack the critical thinking skills to have the discussion every time it happens, that's why you get irate and stick to your guns. actual mental illness.
we've reached the fundamental disagreement. (You) believe tonality explains all audible differences. most people don't. with no agreeing on that premise, listing more pos won't resolve anything.
go ahead, divert the discussion, talk in a loop, fling shit, be loud. I accept your concession and /iemg/ sees it.

>>109235858
EQ affects those things so those things are tonality. Very simple really.

>>109235816
>why can mics record all that but not measure?
you don't understand how recording and mixing music works.

>>109235890
I accept your concession.

>>109235830
if grell oae 1 have FR like speakers playing sound in front of you why it doesnt sound like speakers playing sound in front of you. FR is correct yet it cant emulate that sound at all

>>109235679
that's crazy

>>109235867
it's not that simple because you've reduced the complex task of recording with multiple microphones, placing them spatially in an audio mix, having a clean mix so that they don't interfere tonally: these things require panning and fading. not just eq. you're conflating the mixing process with the mastering process and most of the time, that requires engineers handling those tasks.
you simply don't know what's baked into the audio mix, and that's fine. you outed yourself already.
here is how the magic happens, laddy buck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjOdqZFvhY

>>109235858
you are the one who needs to provide evidence tho? you say things exist without any evidence. asking for evidence of nonexistence is nonsense

>>109235939
oh the burden of proof is on me now. lol

because you lack the knowledge of the audio going into your ears, you put your "knowledge" of FR onto it as if it explains everything. this has to be a troll at this point because you've thinking this way for years now. gross.

>>109235890
explain how they work then

>>109235930
>these things require panning and fading. not just eq
what's the difference?

>>109235910
What do you mean. It sounds like speakers in an anechoic chamber(in your head). To sound like speakers in a room you need to emulate the room as well.
>>109235930
Which part of the IEM does the multichannel mixing, since you're claiming different IEMs reproduce the mixing differently.
>n-no, IEMs aren't doing mixing
Then the differences between IEMs are limited to how the tonality affects the mixing, thanks for playing.

>>109235970
>>109235930
learn on your own.
there's no way in hell you're willing to start taking me seriously and accept anything I say that's different than your view. yeah right.
all of a sudden, you're willing to concede lmfao bullshit

>>109235968
now? it was always on you.
you say obective measurements do not explain what you are hearing and that things exist outside of objective measurements

>>109235910
>if grell oae 1 have FR like speakers playing sound in front of you why it doesnt sound like speakers playing sound in front of you.
because it doesn't
>FR is correct yet
it is not
>yet it cant emulate that sound at all
for some people it can

>>109235930
>EQ affects those things
>wrong, there's also *a bunch of shit unrelated to IEMs*!
is this clown for real?

>>109235978
>what's the difference?
between mixing and mastering? damn man. mixing is placing something in the audio mix spatially by volume and panning L/R relative to all the other elements. mastering is cleaning up the mix further by cutting out frequencies in what's recording that isn't necessary, like bass in a hi-hat recording that shouldn't be there, or high frequencies in a kick drum recording like reflections that shouldn't be there. not every voice or instrument needs the full frequency spectrum to be present in its recording.
and to keep things cleaner, you separate them spatially by panning L/R and/or fading volume up or down, allowing space. easy.
>>109235985
we've been thru this a million times before since you already know I will argue, "the iems aren't doing the mixing"
you're also choosing to believe that everything can be reduced to FR. literally everything. and you're literally wrong. you have to be trolling at this point.

>>109235988
>there's no way in hell you're willing to start taking me seriously and accept anything I say
it always depended on quality of your arguments
nobody takes you seriously cause "BECAUSE I FEEEEL" is not a serious argument

>>109236073
>IEMs aren't doing the mixing but they're definitely doing the thing that only mixing can affect
You're believing in literal magic.

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>>109236126
Touch grass.

>>109236073
>between mixing and mastering
between panning fading and EQ
> panning L/R relative to all the other elements
what does it mean tho? what happens when you pan something
>and/or fading volume up or down
y-yeah and what does EQ do?

>>109236118
>>109236120
>>109236137
so much goddamn bait here by only one person, it's astounding.
this faggot is the culprit.
this is the headcase that has 0 ability to see outside their worldview that was shoved into their psyche with no original opinion of her own.
this is the fuckhead that can't realize they've gone too far (because she's FtM).
it all makes sense. every post you see starting arguments, shitting on anons, not conceding on anything, is literally just her and only her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdH1IGhW6c
you're welcome, /iemg/. we deserve better, I know.

Can FR and EQ add bring back details from musin? Im talking about spiting some kind of expensive planar or electrostatic level of details from cheapest dynamic driver shitphone u can find just by adjusting it's fr by EQ.
And before u ask me what are details and how can u measure it I'm taking about headphones so cheap and so bad that there is entire elements of mix missing and you can't hear some instruments. In theory u could bring that details back and crank its sound to sumit fi levels just by EQing it to perfection

>>109236145
watch the video >>109235930
>what happens when you pan something?
moving an element left or right. that's it.
>and/or fading volume up or down
>y-yeah and what does EQ do?
everything that was recording sits in its own channel, in the mixer. the channel has its own volume fader. that's not EQ.
mixing, is not mastering, and mastering is not mixing.
watch. the. goddamn. video.

>>109236200
do you even own IEM?

>>109236200
Why would anyone concede to a retard with no argument. Have you tried doing this shit on headfi? You'd be banned.

>>109236214
IEMs have at least 25% more detail than estats before any EQ

>>109236225
nice diversion. "you own 0 iems" was a grift that didn't work out for you already. give up.
>>109236227
that's why I'm not on headfi.
it's perfectly respectable for someone to be very knowledgeable in one area, but to take another area and think that knowledge explains it without trying to understand the separate science in that area, makes it easy for reductionism to happen. happens all the time.

>>109236214
For example if shit drivers just cannot produce sound past 10khz, no EQ can fix that. If drivers can produce sound from 20 to 20khz without high THD, then EQ can fix everything about them.

>>109236221
>moving an element left or right. that's it.
are you deflecting on purpose? what does it mean to "move an element" in a mix? In a technical sense.
>everything that was recording sits in its own channel, in the mixer. the channel has its own volume fader. that's not EQ.
do you not get that there's no FUNDAMENTAL difference?
If we are using different IEMs to listen to the same mix why would EQ not be enough to match or improve sound quality?

>>109236255
Even if they are so bad than u literally don't hear some instruments in background?

>>109236214
>In theory u could bring that details back and crank its sound to sumit fi levels just by EQing it to perfection
If driver is good enough then yes you can. If it's dogshit with high distortion then obviously no.

>>109236268
>nice diversion. "you own 0 iems" was a grift that didn't work out for you already. give up.
you didn't answer the question

>>109236268
Pure projection. You're trying to explain things you perceive in IEMs through videos about mixing, which IEMs by your own admission don't do.

>>109236288
if driver physically can't reproduce some frequencies then EQ can't fix that

>>109236288
>>109236323
The driver may produce a frequency but you won't hear it because of auditory masking. If you EQ to have less masking you'll start hearing it.

>>109236285
>are you deflecting on purpose? what does it mean to "move an element" in a mix? In a technical sense.
moving a piece of audio is spatially placing it in the mix.
pick a song. if something is panned hard left or right, how do you think it was recorded? hard left or right, beforehand? lol no. a mixer and basic mixing knowledge is required to place things, spatially, in a mix.
>do you not get that there's no FUNDAMENTAL difference?
absolutely there is, and you're not seeing the relationships between the two.
a mixing engineer isn't hired to record everybody, he's hired to mix.
>If we are using different IEMs to listen to the same mix why would EQ not be enough to match or improve sound quality?
because not every IEM is capable of reproducing well-mixed audio, well.
this is why you get squashed imaging, as opposed to good separation, cleanliness, etc.
these are some of the most obvious things people do notice.
no clue why you're fighting to make it untrue.

>>109236356
>still refuses to say what makes an element move
bait or retarded
>because not every IEM is capable of reproducing well-mixed audio, well.
name 1 that can't

>>109236311
>you didn't answer the question
not needed. you're shitting up the thread on purpose and deflecting from the entire discussion. that doesn't grant you a one-up. it shows /iemg/ how ignorant you are. nice try.
>>109236313
entirely wrong and ignorant. you're CHOOSING not to expand your knowledge. you're CHOOSING to reduce everything down to FR, which is ignorance.
learn how audio is mixed and mastered, and you'll have a more complete understanding of how and why you're wrong for reducing everything down to FR. it's pure cope on your part so far.

>>109236382
You yourself said IEMs don't do mixing. This expands my audio knowledge about as much as gardening.

>>109236380
>>still refuses to say what makes an element move
>bait or retarded
move left to right and vice-versa? by panning left to right, and vice-versa. with a mixer. that's how audio is made. watch the video.
>because not every IEM is capable of reproducing well-mixed audio, well.
>name 1 that can't
inb4 naming 1 then you saying, "EQ fixes that"
caught you.

>>109236382
it shows iemg you have no iems so you have no idea what you're talking about

>>109236413
>he did it again
not a serious person.

>>109236356
>moving a piece of audio is spatially placing it in the mix.
>pick a song. if something is panned hard left or right, how do you think it was recorded? hard left or right, beforehand? lol no. a mixer and basic mixing knowledge is required to place things, spatially, in a mix.
you are not answering the question... where is "spatial positioning" coming from?
>absolutely there is, and you're not seeing the relationships between the two.
>a mixing engineer isn't hired to record everybody, he's hired to mix.
name the fundamental difference then
>because not every IEM is capable of reproducing well-mixed audio, well.
based on what? and no we are not talking about broken IEMs.
>this is why you get squashed imaging, as opposed to good separation, cleanliness, etc
you say this is why but don't say what "this" actually is. why?

>>109236413
>move left to right and vice-versa? by panning left to right, and vice-versa. with a mixer. that's how audio is made. watch the video.
what is moving when audio is moved left or right via mixer?

This is taking too long. What's moving instruments is the volume. He can't say it because that's EQ.

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>>109236416
now you're repeating yourself and have 0 argument anymore. keep it up, I accept your concession and will continue to do so until you admit you finally learned something ;)
>>109236450
what is moving when audio is moved left or right via mixer?
there's a knob for it. every mixer has it. every mixer in the world. pic related

>>109236413
your pre-cope is accepted, 0 iem owner

>>109236474
>moving instruments left and right with volume.
you're funny, anon. very funny.
EQ moves audio left and right, too huh? thank you for this exchange, really.

you're welcome, /iemg/

>>109236432
watch the video. it explains everything you need to know.
and you do need to know it.

>>109236495
You have been shown EQ that moves instruments left and right, did your Alzheimer's kick in?

>>109236513
hahahahhahahahahahh. whew boy. yeah, you're trolling now.

>>109236479
>there's a knob for it. every mixer has it. every mixer in the world. pic related
that's your answer? a knob? Explain its operating principle then?

>>109236521

Channel: L
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Problems?

He can't say that the knob changes the volume. That's EQ.

>>109236509
>watch the video. it explains everything you need to know.
>and you do need to know it.
your video is literally irrelevant to the subject matter. if you think it isn't then simply answer the question
where spatial positioning in a mix is coming from (no not because mixer placed it there)
what's the fundamental difference between panning and EQ
on what is the capability of an IEM to reproduce a mix based on?

>>109236495
>EQ moves audio left and right, too huh? thank you for this exchange, really.
wait... do you think it doesn't? why?

>>109236547
the mixer outputs to speakers.
you turn the knob. the sound moves to where you put it.
how drastic or minor your panning changes, is represented by playback systems that are capable of accurately playing back those cues.
this is why people test mixes on different speakers, headphones, car systems, etc.: to check if the intent is being represented. not every system plays back imaging cues the same as another.
and yes. my answer is, the knob.

every piece in the audio, the vocals, the background vocals, the snares, the kicks, a lead guitar, a rhythm guitar, another rhythm guitar,
everything is recorded to its own channel on the mixer.

>>109236563
a stereo panning knob isn't EQ. lol
>>109236568
> answer the question
where spatial positioning in a mix is coming from (no not because mixer placed it there).
spatial positioning in a mix happens when the mixer places it there. watch the video.
>>109236581
EQ doesn't "move audio left and right".
mixing isn't mastering and mastering isn't mixing.
watch the video.

Ok I know what they are thinking. Essentially if u are planing stuff left or right u are just adjusting volume for left and right channels, one is getting quieter, other is getting lauder, your brain reads that as something playing on the side.
If you are adjusting volume u can bring that instrument closer or further from you just by boosting or cutting appropriate frequencies by EQ, it would be hard (pretty much close to impossible)to isolate that element and cut or boost exactly right frequencies so in tons of other things playing around just that one thing start moving around in space but in theory could be achieved by EQ.

>>109236587
>those cues
cues such as?
...are you really incapable of understanding what is asked of you... or are you just trolling?

>>109236563
nah, I want to see how far he's going to take it. he already reached the cargo cult level lol.
>>109236587
what does the knob change in the signal to make the sound move left and right.

>>109236620
watch the video.
you don't understand how audio is made.
learn.
then come back.
we're done here.

>>109236610
>a stereo panning knob isn't EQ. lol
why not?

>>109236611
U also have to use different EQ settings for left and right channels so to achieve that but in theory it could be done by EQ

>>109236631
>what does the knob change in the signal to make the sound move left and right.
to which part of the stereo channel it resides.
>I want to see how far he's going to take it. he already reached the cargo cult level lol
lol you simply don't have a clue yet. watch the video.

>>109236635
mixing isn't mastering and mastering isn't mixing.
simple as.

>>109236639
your theory is incorrect.

>>109236645
>to which part of the stereo channel it resides.
how does it change the signal to move it between channels

>>109236654
why not
>>109236657
prove it

>>109236610
>spatial positioning in a mix happens when the mixer places it there. watch the video.
which parameters determine the spatial position of an instrument in the mix?
>EQ doesn't "move audio left and right".
let me help you out with that one
>Panning is the distribution of an audio signal (either monaural or stereophonic pairs) into a new stereo or multi-channel sound field determined by a pan control setting.
>When centered (at 12 o'clock), the signal is sent equally to each bus. If the two output buses are later recombined into a monaural signal, then a pan law of −6 dB is desirable. If the two output buses are to remain stereo then a law of −3 dB is desirable. A law of −4.5 dB at center is a compromise between the two. A pan control fully rotated to one side results in the source being sent at full strength (0 dB) to one bus (either the left or right channel) and zero strength (−∞ dB) to the other.
so what does panning do?

>>109236611
>>109236639
Nah, that's what we are saying. He's saying EQ can't do it at all. Absolutely retarded but that's the hill he chose to die on. He was even shown how, but unfortunately he has no IEM to test this on.

>>109236666
every recorded element resides in its own channel. doesn't matter how many channels the mixer has, the mixer almost always outputs to two monitors. the panning knob lets you place a channel in the mixer hard left or right, or in the middle, or anywhere in between. the panning knob is the sole dictator on where something sits in the mix.

noone in the history has every said, "damn, this hard-left voice needs to be hard-right. EQ TIME"

not. how. it. works.

>>109236686
>>109236689
>>109236696
watch the video. learn how to mix audio, then we can have the discussion. till then, your mental gymnastics and jargon is too grueling to even entertain.

>>109236657
If track is one element with waveform let's say 1000-2000hz paned to the left u can bring it closer to middle or even move to the right just by turning down that range with EQ on left channel and boosting that range with EQ on right channel. As you adjust your eq or even u can draw automation lines in Ableton or other daws sound will move just as it was panned to the right but with EQ.
If we are talking about entire mix with tones of other elements that trick is pretty much impossible due to sheer amount of other waveforms

>says he knows mixing and mastering
>doesn't know how panning works(it's just a knob!)
does he know anything? at all? has he even heard music?

>>109236733
what the fuck is this?
>>109236734
mixing isn't mastering and mastering isn't mixing.
L/R stereo panning comes from a knob.
watch the video.

>>109236729
if your video taught you that panning is just a knob I have catastrophic news for you

>>109236758
>"I have catastrophic news for you"
>"it's all FR"
try again.

>>109236754
>he isn't kidding
holy shit, this is a new low even for chatgptzo...
you move the knob and the instruments moves...
incredible...

>>109236769
it's wildly entertaining that you can't wrap your head around this simple concept.

even the cheapest mixing board has L/R panning for every channel it provides.
keep going, anon.

>>109236754
Does the knob even need to be connected to anything? Does the knob material affect panning quality?

>>109236754
And what is that knob doing behind the scenes? It's telling your daw, mixing console or whatever you are using that it need to volume up one channel and volume down other channel. That's all there is to moving sound left to right

>>109236782
I put a knob on a pan on a vegetable mixing board but the pan isn't panning, does the video help with that?

>>109236714
so knob is just magic? that's your argument?

I need a LLM for this thread

Bros... EQ interfaces have knobs too...

>>109236784
>>109236788
>>109236803
samefag asking bad faith questions. watch the video.
learn how audio is made.
until then, I accept your concession so fuckin hard.
>>109236814
the knob does a job. your EQ does a separate job.

>>109236827
different knobs for different things.
EQ knobs aren't stereo panning knobs.
anything else?

Gazettezo, put that shit down, this is insane.

After reads like that i genuinely think I will become believer of the church of EQed to perfection (it can't be done tho, still need to spend money).
I feel like my brain is getting smoother

>>109236828
>the knob does a job
brother I literally quoted what panning actually does.
>>Panning is the distribution of an audio signal (either monaural or stereophonic pairs) into a new stereo or multi-channel sound field determined by a pan control setting.
do you understand what "distribution of an audio signal" means?

>>109236851
>do you understand what "distribution of an audio signal" means?
you're attempting to conflate EQ with stereo panning. try again.

>>109236850
>I feel like my brain is getting smoother
you can't explain what the fuck panning even is lmao your brain is already perfectly smooth
you are really fucking lucky you lack self enough awareness to understand just how embarrassing this fucking conversation was...

>>109236866
it's a literal definition of panning
if you are so fucking smart give the real definition

>>109236867
It's just adjusting volume for left and right side
Nigger

>>109236867
nta, but watch the video. you turned a basic lesson in audio mixing into shit flinging.
good job, your hole has been dug too deep for you to want to get out and you probably never will. all on your own ;)

>>109236874
mixing is not mastering and mastering is not mixing.
you don't place anything in an audio mix with EQ.
you place it with the volume fader of the channel it's in along with the stereo panning knob for the specific channel.
simple as.

Panning comes from the knob.
Food comes from the supermarket.
Real communism has never been tried.
Stay tuned for my next Ted talk.

>>109236884
the panning knob does eq, retard

>>109236887
Ok but u can't EQ to perfection because we are not living in perfect world, u have to spend big money for big sound. 711 coupler with smoothing turned up to oblivion doesn't make perfect FR for your own eardrum. Quality drivers do

>>109236897
>the panning knob does eq, retard
the stereo panning knob does not do EQ. watch the video. learn something new for a change.

>>109236903
That's some sharur shit, no, you can't make a driver that will be smooth at everyone's eardrum, for the same reason you can't EQ treble by graph.

>>109236912
false >>109236689

>>109236879
>nta
pff very believable
>>109236884
>you don't place anything in an audio mix with EQ
what's the difference? not the knob that's for sure
actually what does EQ do?

>>109236903
every decent IEM has a quality driver

>>109236927
you're ignoring the basic principles of audio mixing and playback to understand where the holes in your logic are. making it giant conflations of fairytale land assumptions based on your still limited understanding of how audio playback and audio recording/mixing works isn't going to work out for you in the long run, but I accept your concession again.


she's all yours now, /iemg/

>>109236912
>the stereo panning knob does not do EQ
>knob changes the distribution of an audio signal
>EQ changes the distribution of an audio signal
say it ain't so

>>109236953
>you're ignoring the basic principles of audio mixing
we are literally teaching you the basic principles of audio mixing
no it's not a knob it's an audio signal
>making it giant conflations of fairytale land assumptions based on your still limited understanding of how audio playback and audio recording/mixing works isn't going to work out for you in the long run, but I accept your concession again.
>she's all yours now, /iemg/
chatGPT wrote this

>>109236966
>we
it's only you. nobody else is this willfully ignorant. it's literally only you, every time, every thread.
>chatGPT wrote this
still incorrect. I simply know more about this particular topic than you, by a metric shit ton.

>>109236990
>it's only you. nobody else is this willfully ignorant. it's literally only you, every time, every thread.
cope harder retard.
>still incorrect. I simply know more about this particular topic than you, by a metric shit ton.
you literally don't know anything
what is happening to the audio signal when you are using THE KNOB?

>>109236953
nigga you literally believe knobs are magic, we have explained to you how knobs work. do we have to explain to you what a db is? is this what's tripping you up?
>>109236990
chatgpt would have given you a better answer than "knobs are magic", maybe you should give it another shot.

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I bought FAAEAL iris 2.0 and it's shipping to me.
I probably would have went with Yincrow X6 or NICEHCK EB2S Pro if it was the same price, but it was more than double (CAD).
I'm sure if I waited it would get discounted to $10 on sale, but my no brand flat shitbuds I got for free finally broke due to the cable, so I needed earbuds urgently (right now I just use my headphones on my table as speakers).
I need to hear my surroundings, and I have headphones for when I want to block my surroundings / need bass.

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Oh no even a fucking clanker doesn't call it magic..
devastating....

>>109237000
>>109237002
you're scrambling and repeating yourself.
the stereo panning knobs for a particular channel on a mixing board isn't magic, it's simply doing 1 job. placing the channel in the mix where you place it.
left, right, left, right, that's its only job.
the volume fader for the channel gives you depth, if that is your intent, but channel faders are for giving the channel correct placement volume-wise, in relation to the other elements sitting in their own channels.
>>109237002
>knobs are magic
only you're saying that because you aren't willing to learn. give up, I gave you more than enough and you made the obvious decision to deflect and ignore.
you must have a serious learning disability or a huge lack of accountability.
you can be wrong about things in life, you will live. you're not allergic to accountability and I promise you, it won't hurt.
now watch the video and kiss my ass.

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>>109237048
There is not a single person in the world who's on your side. Must feel lonely.

>>109237052
you can't even parse the information LLMs are giving you.

being this arrogant is clouding your own judgement.

watch the video.

>>109237048
nobody gives a fuck about your fucking video.
how about you read a fucking book instead?
so now that we established that panning is done by altering volume levels... it's time to figure out what EQ does.
So? Is it in the video or you'll need to find another one?

>>109237063
Which part of "panning works by altering the volume" do you not understand.

>>109237070
>>109237071
it's amazing you have this much energy and willpower to prove your point.
you don't even have a point.
you lost. it's over. we're done here.

>>109237081
So? What does EQ do exactly? with or without a knob

>>109237081
The point is panning works by altering the volume. EQ works by altering the volume. You were given an EQ that does panning. What is your point?

And it's not even "it does something secret and the changing volume is just a byproduct". No, it literally just changes the volume. Actual mental illness.

not gonna lie I did not expect him to go full retard to this extent...

>>109237094
nigga can't try it with 0 iems lmao

>>109237093
>>109237094
>>109237150
>>109237175
mixing isn't mastering and mastering isn't mixing.

>>109237175
It's genuinely impressive how he ends up in a worse position every time he open his mouth. This one takes the cake though. Proprietary OEM measurements was dumb but understandable. This is just really, really really dumb.

>>109237200
Panning works by altering the volume.

>>109237202
cope and seethe harder. you chose to learn nothing and turned a simple discussion/inquiry into shit flinging and pearl clutching.
all this because you bought a >$100 pos and still couldn't discern the difference in techs between that and your cheaper shit and decided your cheaper shit is supreme.

you're amazing.

>>109237241
False. I learned that you don't know how panning works. Illuminating.

>>109237257
now you're turning a disagreement into pure delusion. your LLM didn't teach you about mixing either because you keep looking for ways to confuse the topic and make it fit your illness.
classic.

>>109237286
Denying that panning works by changing the volume is not a disagreement. You're just dumb. Sorry.

>>109237298
you redefine shit just to make yourself seem correct.
you chose not to learn.
even Floyd Toole himself would call you an ass.

>>109237241
>>109237286
both written by chatGPT btw

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>Budget
$400 for the player and $50 for earbuds

>Intended use (media, source, environment)
heavy duty music player that will last for decades that has a shit ton of music on it. so I will need at least 1 TB of music storage. I have flacs. speakers in it (even if theyre shit) so that it isnt a brick without external hardware. bluetooth and aux cable are a must because my truck only has aux and I have a bluetooth speaker for drinking parties

>Frequency response preference and music examples
>frequency response
I am a retard and dont understand because dumb
>music examples
pink floyd, the doors, buddy holly, any rock from 2005 and earlier. and motown.

>Past gear and your thoughts on them
earbuds regularly fall out of my ears and I fucking hate them but I can definitely hear the difference in audio quality they have. I had the shitty, tinny round earphones with the black felt on them very fondly, the felt was very comfy in my ears. but the audio quality sucked.

I offer you a cute anime pic for your opinion

>>109237344
Saying that panning works by altering the volume is not redefining anything. It is a full explanation of how panning works. You're just dumb. Sorry.

>>109237241
>all this because you bought a >$100 pos and still couldn't discern the difference in techs between that and your cheaper shit and decided your cheaper shit is supreme
okay see. none of your retarded muh mix shit matters because we are using the same mix. So if mix is moved out of the equation... what's left? techs of your expansive pos (which you don't even have)? where are they tho? not in FR, IR, distortion or frequency range. where the fuck are they, retard?

>>109237344
I asked you for your own definitions. You faild yo provide those.
We are using common definitions you can find in any commonly used literature

>>109237356
>full explanation of how panning works
incorrect. you know nothing about how an audio recording is made. not sorry.
take your time. repeating your delusions won't be your saving grace for long.
a mixing board defeated your sanity lol lunatic

>>109237386
Panning works by altering the volume. You can scream, you can kick, but you will learn today.

>>109237374
>we
>>109237374
>We
its only you, foxbum. nobody else in the world is this willing to turn simple concepts into abstract nonsense.
you're done and I accepted your concession a dozen times over in a single thread, it's beautiful. but keep it up, since you love talking to yourself and staring at your own posts

>>109237406
You're calling altering the volume abstract nonsense. Get a grip.

what's actually finalized for this general? that foxzo is the only willing participant in personal attacks, starting arguments for no reason, being contrarian for contrarians sake, muddying the waters and misunderstanding and contributing absolutely nothing to the topic, and learning absolutely nothing.
avoid at all costs, /iemg/. avoid like the plague.

>>109237424
It's finalized that techtards don't know even the absolute basics of audio. Like how panning works. You see, when you turn the knob to the left, the left channel becomes louder than the right. We can explore WHY this moves sounds perceptually to the left, but first you must learn that this is what's happening.

>>109237441
idk what all that says but looks like foxzo mumbo jumbo.
learn how audio is recorded and mixed and your delusions will clear up and change to logic.
other than that, you're in a hole you can't get out of until you pull your head out of your ass.
go ahead.

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>>109237465
Knob turns left - left channel loud.
Knob turns right - right channel loud.
Baby steps.

>>109237480
you're suggesting that panning hard left means its still in the right channel, but turned all the way down. that's not how a 2-channel stereo image works, at all.

what is a channel you absolute mongoloid?

>>109237480
you just accepted the knob. nice.
baby steps

>>109237492
Turning the right channel all the way down will in fact hard pan the sound to the left. Incredible, but true! >>109236689

>>109237504
He's not ready for altering the volume through sliders or God forbid commands. The knob will do for now.

>>109237519
And -infinity is an exaggeration, -140dB will do.

>>109237519
>>109237532
>>109237541
you never argue when being told you're samefagging. how fuckin interesting.
now that you've shat up the thread-
I accept your concession. again.

I did the hard work for you, /iemg/, you're welcome

>>109237557
>stop shitting up the thread
>why aren't you arguing with me???
Well which one is it?

ALL THIS yapping began just because I recommended someone the Variations.
Buy the Moondrop™ Variations.

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Niggas will listen at 80dB to ear rape tunings and then complain there's no soundstage, when will they learn.

>>109237354
Hiby M300 does have a built-in speaker and supports up to 2TB sd cards. Not sure how heavy duty are we talking about though, might want to check out one of those armored phones instead. Tanchjim bunny 3.5 version for anime techs.

>>109237557
>you never argue when being told you're samefagging. how fuckin interesting.
trust me it's much less interesting and relevant than you getting your ass handled to you by actually multiple people about your retarded knob magic shit.
>I did the hard work for you, /iemg/, you're welcome
pretty much everybody here thinks that you are retarded

Music player that doesn't livestream my location and taint smell to the nearest glownigger HQ?

>>109237684
>interesting
>relevant
>pretty much everybody here
shut the fuck up

>>109237684
>ass handled to you by actually multiple people
>retarded knob magic shit
>getting your ass handled to you
this isn't fuckin disneyland where you get to lie your way through your delusions until they eventually fall flat on their face. keep pretending to be multiple anons. keep baiting. keep lying. keep it up, I won. move on.

>>109237813
>>109237825
Panning works by altering the volume.

so panning is magic, techs are magic, and money is good?
thank you gptzo, very insightful!

>>109237842
wrong. it works by shifting across the stereo field.
what else? you love repeating yourself so much it ends up as spam now that you've lost, so what else? you tried the 0 iems grift and that didn't work, so what else?
you wanna go the "you're deaf" route again? show me what you got so I can put my foot up your ass again. I got as much time as you

>>109237869
Incorrect. Panning works by altering the volume.

>>109237873
wrong again. learn the basics of audio mixing or take a hike

literally every mixing book and video will say that panning and stereo placement works with volume for the whole track, or EQ in certain bands lololololol

>>109237881
I know them. Panning works by altering the volume. Buy an IEM and test this EQ >>109236555

>>109237869
>shifting across the stereo field
what does that mean?

>>109237921
It's when you switch the hyperdrive to ludicrous speed.

>>109237902
or buy an iem and break the fucking cable lmao. that will pan too.

>>109237891
Every book, every article, every video, every AI will say this. The weirdest fucking hill to die on.

>>109237891
yeah, no. you're making shit up. just admit you don't know shit about fuck.
>>109237921
moving from one stereo channel to the next. do you have a learning disability or are you a sociopath?

lots of low quality bait itt

>>109238000
goddamn this is bait.

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Nigga learned about audio from a toddler video about balls. You literally cannot make this shit up.

>>109238014
>moving from one stereo channel to the next
what does that mean? you say moving but what is moving exactly

>>109238077
it's these little magical elves that carry the signal to and fro. I would say santa is involved, but you'll just make fun of me

>>109238039
wait even his own retarded fucking video says you can use EQ lol?

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Nigga really never seen a waveform in his entire life...

>>109238083
who's stronger? santa or the knob?

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>>109238095
Darwin

>iemg yesterday: occlusion effect doesn't exist if you aren't talking
>sharur today: occlusion effect doesn't exist if you aren't talking
Sharur get the fuck out of here!

iemg once again ahead of the curve
>panning is magic knob trickery
nvm

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Techs are stored in the balls.

>>109238139
now I know you're full of it. pee is stored in the balls

henceforth LLMzo will be known as ballzo

fucking ballzo thinks audio is a land of fantasy and unknown wonders lmao

>>109238152
You could say he really dropped the ball on this one.

at least we established this general as an absolute farce

>we
the balls are talking to him lmao

>>109238084
The video isn't even that bad, he's just completely unprepared even for that level of explanation. He should start with cocomelon or something.

bro transferred his consciousness into his balls and left it there...

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i have 1.5k kangaroos burning a hole in my pocket. i have to spend it for tax reasons. should i just get someone to mow my lawn? a new espresso machine? a korean escort?
cant justify any pos or dap or dac or whatever that i see. i mean, a fiio m17 for 1.3k is kinda tempting, but redundant.

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>>109237597
Obsoleted by fox IEM.

>>109238318
i will recommend you a great 500$ pos but my consultant fee is 1k

>>109238343
i can just eq my 15 dollar nrg buds from coles to 95% of what $500 pos sounds like though.

>>109232320
Bellsing IS good. Hexa proved it.

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If you ever feel stupid remember there's a guy that thinks there are BALLS inside audio files and panning knobs MOVE those balls.

>>109238423
what if my knobs have literal ball bearings in them, HUH?

>>109238341
>"Variations are solid choices if you have $500 burning a hole in your pocket"
>"My cheaper EPZs sound better than my P50"
>"Keep being a consooming retard buying the latest Flavor of the Month lmao."
>"It's still good."

I got a fever. And the only solution is $5 shitbuds EQ'd to perfection.

>>109238362
you said the money is burning a hole in your pocket and you have to spend it anyways so why not get the 500$ pos and see for yourself if thats even true

>>109238318
Buy desktop speakers. Something tells me you don't have them.

>>109238318
you already own EP321. I was curious about em...what do you like/not like about them? they're about the same price as the next pos I plan on purchasing.
and yes, get a new espresso machine. that is infinitely a better investment than any set of pos at any price