Ball editionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/>/iemg/'s Journal:https://iemgazette.pages.dev/>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/>Measurements:https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• NICEHCK Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>109230318
>True W*reless>HaiiRez
>>109238766The head is basically a ball.
>>109239906thats nuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYWMw0rBN5A
>>109240047Good morning, sir.
>>109239888>ture
>>109157779Got the Tanchjim Zero Ultima, was much louder than the Sony IER-EX15C, seemed perfectWithin 7 days my phone no longer registers that it's plugged in via USB-C lol. The connector isn't bent or anything. Not a phone settings issue either because the Sonys still work.I'm so sick of this USB-C shit. I've been avoiding getting an Android with no 3.5mm port for years but finally caved because this phone was a free upgrade. USB-C headphones or using donges for 3.5mm has been such an unnecessary headache bros. I fucked up by caving...Is this a common problem with USB-C headphones or do I just have bad luck? Other headphones have stopped working too and then magically start working again some time later, despite however the USB audio re-routing setting is set to.
>>109240629maybe its a unit variance thing
Finally, good headphones.
>>109241535More like YWNBAW headphones.
I haven't bought any new pos since I bought my snoy WF-1000XM6... I was going to buy Crin's new in-ear bricks but they're like $100 too much for something I'd probably listen for like 3 hours a week, the gold plating was a mistake.
idgi..PEQdB is basically just a fairly typical JM-1 config with an additional high frequency shelf ~4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cMcSp1-E8A
>>109242292If you don't like muscle growth, then sure.
>>109242336why would you
>>109242374Ear muscles make it easier to catch sound waves.
>>109241976least retarded jeet dronethat's 2 different platforms
>>109239888I'm puzzled. Why would you prefer the non-pro JM6 while the pro has a more powerful amp stage?
>>109242833The boomer who makes these threads will lead you astray. You have to be a thread regular, be in the hobby and know your shit on your own. OP followers will get shitted and rekt
>>109242833Because power is bad for IEMs especially when there's no hardware volume control. "Yeah I only want to be able to use volume steps from 0 to 10" said nobody.
>>109242833a shitty tiny amp in extremely compact form = more noise floor (amplifies the shitty dacs existing noise) and more heat
Been using er4sr and er4xr for well over 10 years.I tried some V shaped cans and suddenly feel like I'm missing out.Any suggestions for iems under $1000?
>>109242833higher gain stage = worse for higher sensitivity
>>109243075Fox IEM, endgame.
>>109242833also higher power consumption, it drains the battery much faster than the non-pro
power aside, an amp/dac with its own volume control is ideal because of headroom and preserving dynamic range.you get to have source volume at 100% while your amp/dac controls volume instead.
How it ended vs how it started. Seems like chinesium alloy in my faceplates wasn't highest purity.
>>109243488White/transparent plastic will always become yellow.
currently EQing some stuff
>>109243896looks like voodoo magic to me. I'll pray for you
>>109243896Fuck off. I don't believe in that made up nonsense
>buy OnePlus phone>buy OnePlus Buds Pro 3 to go with the OnePlus phone>earbuds have noticeable 300-400ms delay because of a "feature" that keeps the buds connected through walls at the expense of latency>makes watching any video impossible as a resultDoes anyone know if there's any way to fix this shit before I get rid of these? Apparently downgrading the firmware on the earbuds is supposed to fix it but the only person that managed to do it is probably an IQ 60 jeet judging by the incoherent instructions that are obviously missing information.
>>109244341>bluetoothDo goyim really.
>>109243896My balls have shifted across the stereo field.
Hey, just remembered a post I made on /fwt/ about a month ago and it looks like I didn't get any reply, would any of you happen to know better by any chance? Figured people here might be more knowledgeable about this stuff https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/109058729/#109070255
>>109244377I used to stick to wired but it's just not worth it anymore at this point. Only flagship left with 3.5mm jack is Xperia 1 and I'm not paying out the ass for one just for the jack.
>>109244524>doesn't know about the existence of dongle dacs
>>109245146>Telling people dongle dacs are the way it should beShalom rabbi
>>109245146>doesn't knowI have to use a dongle DAC every time I want to use my Letshuoer S12s. I hate needing to use this to get a jack, but it's dongle or pay $1.2k+ for an Xperia.
I'm at the point in my IEM journey where I buy based on waifus.
>>109245524Shell looks way too fragile, how much filling the shell with resin costs? Or it's due to the unwanted acoustic effect?
>AVOID USING:• Metal shell
>>109245688they only really fill it with resin when there's tubing from the drivers straight to the nozzle.
this is proof that cheap iems sound better than kilopos for iemgbut the entire rest of the hobby more or less is definitely performative or delusional
>>109245955they hired her for her opinions rather than sandwich maker? the whole channel is cucked then.
>>109245524based sheetzo
>>109243334what if I dial dac volume knob to 100 and use software volume to control instead?
>>109244493probably reduces the gain to make some headroom for "enhancements"ie; digital clipping
>>109239888Hey I'd just like to say that you guys have the shittiest fucking tastes possible.I bought Sennheiser HD 600 about 6 years ago and it was the cheapest plastic shit I've ever bought and it also clamped like a bitch compared to something relaxing like the Philips SHP1900, I also can't say it sounded more than 15% better than the Philips without raising the volume like a bitch to actually hear something. Great for vocals though and good for classical, anything else was hisstopia hisspissopolis if you attempted to listen to 8bit, 16bit, keygen with HD600sAnd just a few weeks ago I bought the Koss ksc-75 , I can no longer hear the background music you fucking dicks. I can hear the vocals and any foreground music equal to the vocals, but the background music is completely muted, thanks a lot faggots.I'm sticking with my Panasonics RP-HT161 You truly are the sewer of the internet, 4chan. We need pictures of this place so you can see the absolute "geniuses" behind these recommendations. Nothing but uncultured brown gen-zers, rednecks, pastiest literal retards, neckbeards, obese, SpEDs you've ever seen.The few geniuses and the reputation of "hacker known as 4chan" and "anonymous" was a mistake. There has only been 1 intelligent conglomerate of people on 4chan smarter than the average group at said subject matter and when I said average I don't mean the other spEDs, the commie REDitors that are just as angry, repulsive, disgusting but far more obedient and pathetic than you lot that pretend to not literally be them posting on both reddit and /r/4chan as we speak you cowardly double-faced lowlife lying hypocritical scumbags.Oh and 1 more thing [spoiler]Fuck you Stax shills and fuck your Chinese company that bought you.[/spoiler]
>>109246419you could, but that's generally the opposite of what you might want. every 6 dB of digital attenuation reduces the your signal's dynamic range by 1 bit. it's better to leave source volume at 100%. if your dac/amp has its own volume control, use it since that's one of the reasons to buy one in the first place.one thing though, if you're using EQ, use negative preamp accordingly so you avoid digital clipping. you can still get away with -3dB pregain without EQ if you wanna be on the safe side anyway, just know what's happening when you're relying on digital attenuation vs. the amp/dac being sole volume control.
>>109246501I use my DAC/AMP volume buttons to adjust the loudness, with no EQ tempering. Keeping the gain 100% in my music player preserves the full DR information right? Been doing exactly that even though it sounded counterintuitive at first.
EQ'ed my Lan to the Storm, enjoying the free techs
>>109246596>lower odd distortion than BAs>non-minimum phase crossover techslol. lmao. keep dreaming.
>>109246584>Keeping the gain 100% in my music player preserves the full DR information right?yup. it's up to you to have a couple of negative dB of pregain though. I personally have that set to -1.5 to -3 at any given moment, just to make sure I'm always avoiding clipping, but that's just me.
>>109246608I will try that thanks
>IEC711(IEC60318-4) coupler (Ear Simulator) only accurate from 100Hz to 10000Hz according to their specification, frequency below 100Hz and above 10000Hz may not matched to human ear.>That means only 100Hz~10000Hz part of an IEM frequency response graph is trustworthy..>Some people claim Headphone and IEM are "Minimum Phase Device" so only frequency response matter, first it's not proven by measured brain neural signals, second they will never show you a graph that actually represents everything to a human.>You should know data is just data, you better trust your ear and decide which gear you want to get by giving them a demo.https://rohsa.gitlab.io/articles/factors-other-than-frequency-response/
Somehow i lost my Soundcore Life Q30 so I guess it's replacement time, any over ear recs between $60 and $80? (can stretch to $85). Preferably wireless with noise cancelling since I'm not sure about getting wired cans and buying a dongle
>>109247134don't fall for wireless memez, redeem the tanchjim bunny dsp
>>109247182I was actually thinking of getting those for when I dont wanna bother with bluetooth but I find over ears to be more comfortable in longer listening sessions
>>109247198what were your previous iems?
>>109247206Current are Space Travel 2, but I've used the Soundcore Q30i before (cant remember if i've used other wired iems before, i've always prefered cans)
>>109243334PC speakers with an audio jack can do the same.
>>109247228It seems like you have never used proper in-ears before, a well sealing one can virtually disappear in your canal and is by far the most comfortable way of listening to anything.
>>109247285I mean I guess maybe it's that, tbf my main comfort issues are beacuse I can never find the right tip size for my right ear and it's really annoying. I just like having options for when I dont wanna deal with that bullshit.
I can't think of a single flathead that doesn't need to be eq'd, they all sound thin and overly bright otherwise. why are the chinese like this? do bugs have different ears to human beings?
>>109247265correct, another example of hardware volume control.
My IEM with apple dongle gets pretty loud even before 10% volume.Will I go deaf if I raise it to 100% by accident?How do you safeguard against this shit?
>>109247310tip rolling is a thing, the S and M size tips that come bundled with literally every pos should work just fineif not then go with foam tips
>>109247014You don't know what minimum phase means.
>>109247598even the most (((powerful))) amplitude produced by an 10mm transducer isn't enough to permanently damage your hearing I've had such incidents occur before where I let my ears recover themselves over the course of several hours and it was all fine. Just make a habit to check the volume every time you want to play somethin
>>109247598which IEM?
>>109247678Tell that to that anon who's hearing was fucked by such transducer.
>>109247772probably skill issue
>>109247678IEMs can produce 120dB even from a dongle easily, and there won't even be warning signs like clipping. Not enough for instant damage, but more than a few seconds will do it.>>109247598Press play before putting stuff in your ears, not after.
>>109247798I was fucked such way once by microslop windows. I was using onboard headphone jack with my IEMs with volume around 4-6/100 and that fucker turned it at 100. I could hear IEMs playing at other side of my desk, god know what would have happened if that iem was blasting it inside my ear canal.Since then every time I'm using headphones or iem I double check volume before playing anything on my head
>>109246498This is why hpg died.
>>109247316The difference between a muddy flathead and a tinny flathead is how far it sits in your ear. You can't really "tune" a flathead without fixing its position somehow, apple style buds are more consistent.
>>109248010then why is it always solved by applying an eq, no adjustments to positioning needed
>>109248146Because your fixed position is not somebody else's fixed position.
And flatheads just have less things to tune in general. And if you put more components into them they'll become so heavy they'll just fall out instantly. Has there ever been even a 2 driver flathead? It's a smaller market in general so there's less R&D.
>>109246437I'm not sure to follow your logic here, how would it make sense to make headroom for enhancements after checking the option meant to disable them? The reduced volume happens after checking 'disable all sound effects'. None of them can be selected afterward. What I'm wondering is why does checking the option even do anything since as said in the linked post I didn't have any enhancement activated prior to checking it anyway.
might buy this low profile glass cloche for my pos
>>109248282>ponder the pos
>>109248269its some retarded shindoze bs that is not worth losing your hair overI reckon it attenuates the signal so that all of your devices are on the same decibel field whether you already have another one plugged in or not. Either that or it equalizes the ceiling so the volume doesn't cross the "dangerously loud" threshold. Just keep it checked if you want bit-perfect pass through to a DAC.
>>109248152you are just wrong, there is no amount of reseating or pressing into my ears that makes them sound not bright and thin unless I eq, it is insane to say a slight distance difference would be the difference between a harman target. the only difference a good fit with flatheads makes is the bass otherwise they're no different to over ears moron
>>109244493>>109248269Disabling it on normal DACs does nothing. Your built-in DAC probably has a compressor effect. Youtube is known to have lower volume, they even added a normalization toggle themselves. Test if the music gets quieter when you disable effects.
>>109248588Headpos users never ever beating the retard allegations.
>>109248584You need effects enabled if you want APO to work, and it will disable manufacturer's effects during install. Always better to have an external DAC though.
>>109248584And if you truly want bit perfect you need to use one of the exclusive modes for the output. There's still some processing happening if you disable the effects.
>>109248649This is why ALSA output on Linux is superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn0ckqMRxoI
I've been looking for an evoaria retailer since the end of 2025, now after 7 months my Cu unit has arrived, unboxing dump
>>109249864Evoaria Copper
>>109249870just 2 screen protectors + case + charging cableNo reason for the box to be so big
>>109249884sick design, watched something about in on yt few months ago and it look like some kind of heirloom but made with taste, i cant complain about my m21 but against this it feels like plastic toy. Usually with stuff that expensive I wonder if they are produced in china or somewhere in the west. Because it feels like only china have capability and machines to produce high quality electronics
I boughted the px8
>>109249966Evoaria is from China, it's a spinoff from Cayin. Cayin is partially stated-owned so they aren't allowed to profit maximize, the CCP can literally tell Cayin to stop selling products once they hit their KPIs for the year (and the CCP has done so in the past). This pissed Thomas off so he decided to make his own company.
>>109249864does it ever feel strange posting something like this here when a sizable part of the thread believes source differences are largely placebo and that monodollar aliexpress iems can be eq'ed to match and surpass anything you own?
>>109250323>ballzo thinks totlzo cares about other people's opinionsstop being insecure and just post pics like totlzo
>>109250338true i guess. fascinating compartmentalization though
>>109250323>thread believesthat's not a belief
>>109250338>schizo loves to misuse greentext and mythologize their own inner narrative while convincing herself they know every anon here by their posts.well, you're wrong. hello rat.
does it feel strange to be the only guy on this planet to believe that music is made out of balls?
point of diminishing returns is at stereodollars btw
>>109250389if you're talkin to me, I'd suggest that autists like you need visualizations to be able to parse certain information correctly. despite your personality disorder(s), I just came to say hi.
>>109250437>pretends to be someone else>gets caught immediatelyThe cosmic horror of living with sub 100 IQ.
>>109250437visualizations didn't help you parse that panning works by altering the volume so clearly they're not as helpful as you think they are
>>109250389even if that was me it'd be irrelevantwhy don't you reply to my actual post?do you not think this guy is confused or retarded? or do you grant him outlier golden ears? or are you gonna (continue to) compartmentalize as well? i guess that works as long as totlzo never makes any claims. i'm just fascinated by the dynamics at play here
>>109249870im curious, what does this do that an iBasso DX340MAX Ti or Fiio M15s cant do other than make poorfags seethe?
>>109250481you keep pretending there's an oppressed underclass of tech believers here but actually its just you. you alone are the punching bag(deserved). everybody else just gets along.
>>109250323I've been posting in this shithole of a general since 2018 so I'm used to it. Plus when I was a newfag I had the exact same opinions and I would argue in bad faith, so any posts calling me a retard now are basically water off a duck's back
Imagine believing in techs but not being able to buy or even audition a single IEM.
>>109239888i just got some kz zs10 pro x.they are not as good as my 1500$ planar headphones but i never expected them to get as close.the planar is still more detailed overall, though the basses feel a LOT deeper with the kz, even with eq i can't get the planar anywhere near, prolly because they are open though.i'm honeslty surprised some 50$ chink shit can be that good.there surely are better iems out there but for 50$ i'm not disapointed and they surely beat my cheap ass 15$ Sony MDR-EX110APB which i did like because i'd not care much whenever i'd break or lose one lol.
>>109250445oh nooo you caught me. but you didn't. go back to talking about iems, schizo piss ant. >>109250461word salad
>>109247826that's not an issue that can happen to me as i always have digital audio output at 100% and use my interface's analog's knob to control the output.anyway if you digitaly reduce volume you loose in bit depth.
>and then he said that "panning works by altering the volume" is word salad
>>109250583why you so bitter? did you buy a >$100 pos and find that you couldn't tell the difference between it's imaging and your cheaper shit and now everybody else isn't allowed to discern the difference too? what a mental load to put yourself under. buyer's remorse and cope will do that to a motherfucker
>>109250501I dont believe anything I say will convince you, ultimately you just got to audition it for yourself.Anyways, most of the >$3K DAPs are all sidegrades and comes down to preference. It's not like Evoaria is automatically better than everything else. But if we are talking about specific models then there are certain idiosyncrasies that makes them personal deal-breakers.>DX340MAXCompared to the OG DX340, iBasso made the MAX sound even thinner and glassier. It's not harsh but there's just a lot of forward treble coloration at play. I love my mids thick and warm so I would never buy this.>Fiio M15sTypical ESS tonality and glare, also has that solid state graininess to it.
>>109250547How much of this crap do you have? Do you try to trade and sell it, or do you collect it? Portable sumitfi stuff is always more interesting than full size desktop boxes. In my poor person mind I don't like having more than a few because then I don't use individual things as often as I would like so i usually try to sell older stuff.Cooper looks stuning, what ive seen it has a lot of interesting features.
>>109250727>ultimately you just got to audition it for yourself.this is the key to success.
notice what he didn't post >>109250681
>>109250650>word saladyou were asked to explain how panning actually works and all you could come up with was a knob. and when given actual explanation you call it a word salad
>>109250735I keep some so I don't get bored from daily driving the same gear. Naturally, some stuff sit neglected and untouched for weeks but it doesn't bother me.>because then I don't use individual things as often as I would likeIf you truly want to min-max and get ur money's worth u can always consider buying used. I know a guy who catch-and-releases kilobuck gear on a biweekly basis but has effectively spent $0 on this hobby because he always lowballs for used gear and sells them for the same price he paid for.
>>109250727ok, but what does it *objectively* do that other multikilobuck portables cant other than making poorfags seethe?eg an expensive fountain pen writes smoother and has better ink flow compared to a mid tier chink one. or a finely crafted japanese pair of scissors cuts better and stays sharper for longer than a 2 dollar pair of scissors.does the OS at last have perpetual updates that keeps it up to date forever or does it just become an obsolete outdated brick after a couple years?
>>109251106huh? I thought this discussion was over already?I explained everything, it's on you to wrap your head around it. >all you could come up with was a knob.it really is that simple. moving a channel on a mixer to a stereo out channel accordingly. I find it grueling that a knob is defeating your sanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA05rmvHsZchis best album imo
>>109251280Music is not made out of balls lil bro. The knob alters the volume, simple as.
>>109251467I accept your concession babe
>>109251579I accept your profound mental retardation lil bro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw5xLBoxUjw
>>109250681why would there be any difference
>>109251280>huh? I thought this discussion was over already?I'm not discussing anything with you I'm just pointing out your retardatoin>I explained everythingfalse>it really is that simple. moving a channel on a mixer to a stereo out channel accordingly.now try actually answering the question
>Moondrop added the waifu voices to the PuddingMight buy some. I fear they'll be too large though. How is noise isolation for outsiders? I'd mainly use them in the office, and I don't want my coworkers to hear my kawaii uguu tracks.
>>109251107oh im already buying used or on sales, problem is that i have few things that i really liked over few years, so much so that its really hard to sell any of it because everything have place. So im just sticking with it and buying less and less, especially sources and amplifiers. if I'm honest i dont really hear much differences, if device offer features i want its enough for me. Rather try wacky headphones iems because for me fun is there.Lately wanted to try cayin ru9 with tubes but seller doesnt answer my questions, price was good but whatever. Nice stack, do they offer some kind of better or extended warranty for that butique stuff. Like for battery replacement few years down the line. Leather cases looks premium for sure.
Any decent TWS buds under $100? Right now I've got the Soundpeats Capsule 3 Pro+ and they blow my WF1000XM4 out of the water in terms of audio quality but everything else sucks. Half the time the companion app (needs a login to use btw) doesn't work, battery life is terrible and they drop connection unless you enable and disable ANC
>>109251678>give up. already.
still the best tws
>>109251736look into Earfun or Nothing models. i think people generally like their apps but i'm no expert
Post you're Vidos. Here's mine.
>>109247629Gonna try experimenting with that then, as for over ears I still have no idea what to get, so I guess I'll wait a bit and keep using my iems for now
do you think some people prefer to organize experience more categorically and externally than others due to how theyre wired and that this could lead to them collapsing subtleties faster and easier? meaning that the phenomenological threshold for salience might be higher? of course the opposite failure mode is also real, where someone could let experience harden into fact way too quickly. one can argue being closer to one extreme is more epistemically responsible but even so some sort of balance is probably best
>>109252447touchy, but most people aren't willing to accept that they are, or ever were, wrong, about anything.and not everybody parses experience and information the same way, so a threshold for noticing meaningful differences isn't universal.treating our own perceptual threshold as an objective boundary between real and bullshit is textbook dogma. you can tell when someone being challenged meets that challenge with arrogance, lack of respect and an unwillingness to be corrected. at that point, there's no value whatsoever in entertaining their fundamental lack of character. fuck em.
thinks audio is made out of balls btw >>109252447>>109252917
>>109239888i saw this brown guy praise the AKG EO-IG955, can't tell if he's being satirical but i'm tempted to buy them just for funsies they are like 10 bucks.i remember having them in the past as they came with my s9 and i was surprised at the time at how good they sounded for free earbuds but they broke and i got my hi fi stuff after that.kinda curious how they compare to the stuff i have now.
>>109252917i just find it so triggering when people implicitly deny my xp. i can acknowledge that most of what i xp is possibly this or that, but the assuredness they have that everything about my xp is this or that feels viscerally hostile. rationally fuck em makes sense and i hope i'll abide by that soon. feel like i'm at some threshold>>109253029>everyone who disagrees with me is the same personelectrocute yourself
>>109253049nobody is falling for it
>>109253049>my xp>look inside>doesn't know how panning worksYou have shown you know less about audio than a random street shitter, know your place. You were even shown how panning changes the volume >>109238089 and you still think it's knob doing magic. Because you watched a toddler video about balls.
>>109253079completely irrelevant and i wish i didnt feel compelled to post this
>>109253085>anything that proves me wrong is irrelevant Third world mindset.
>>109253049I hope you notice what they just did. they're scrambling, hard.
so aside from Bunny DSP what other Tanchjim iem's are worth picking up?
>>109253079you're talking to two different people thinking one the another.
>>109253261For sure, ballzo.
>>109253308>>109253356fuckin idiot. you gotta snap out of it at some point.
>>109253417nobody believes that some guy started talking unprompted about shit only ballzo cares about(and only ballzo responded to). it is actually unreal how stupid you are.
in other news its overhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTxfcINRwXU
>reveals that he thinks about audio in terms of balls>thinks panning knobs move those balls >can't comprehend the demands to explain what the knob does to the signal - there's no signal, only balls>thinks it is a matter of opinion and something that can be debated and learned about>thinks this thread alone is the problem and there are people like him elsewhere >starts to talking to himself trying to understand why don't we just "get it"Make no mistake. Nobody else thinks like this. It is not a different perspective. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of what audio even is. Your own video doesn't support you, you just misunderstood it. You need to disregard everything you think you know and start from the absolute bedrock of audio. What is air. What is air pressure. What is air pressure changing over time. How do you record air pressure changing over time. What will happen if you make two recordings at different distances from the source of changing air pressure. Then you will intuitively understand panning. Or just reroll your life, because nobody else had to do it to understand that if you make something louder on the left channel it will sound like it's on the left. Normal humans are born knowing this.
>>109253428>>109253570only one word for you being this moody and hyperactive to boot:cope.I didn't even read a quarter of your second post because you're literally grasping at straws trying to rationalize your bullshit. you're ill. stop shitting up this general with it.
>>109253607You literally think there are balls inside music files.
>>109253627you don't understand visual representations of concepts.keep it up. I love this.
>>109253635..no we understand "visual representation"we just don't need it because we have normal written knowledgeare you retarded, underanged or both?do you actually have understanding beyond "visual representation of concepts"?
>>109253635This is a visual representation of panning >>109238089This is a bunch of balls >>109253627
>>109253659>weit's only you. >>109253660you're very duplicitous and spiteful. this general deserves better.
>>109253635>didn't learn from a visual representation that panning works by changing volume >says we don't understand visual representation you don't understand jack shit lmao
>>109253677now you're projecting. you're making a big mistake keeping yourself in such a small box of thinking.
>>109253673You literally think there are balls inside music files.
>>109253694my balls are far bigger than yours
are we going to talk about IEMS again at some point or does foxbum really have all this pent up anger that she can't seem to find a different outlet to get it out on?psychosis has nothing to do with technology at the end of the day.
>>109253706>personally shift the discussion from IEMs to mixing with balls>guys, can we return to IEMs now Yeah. We can return at any moment. Just acknowledge that panning works by changing volume, so IEMs can perform it too. That your understanding of what is mixing and what's mastering is wrong.
>>109253742Yeah, yeah, blah blah blah. I accept your concession. Now go patronize someone else, somewhere else.
>>109253762>guys please stop, I'm begging you
amaplease
"Panning is mixing so it can't be FR" get a refund from whoever told you this. Tons of things in mixing are just changing the FR. Even in the strictest sense - static EQ that's the same in both channels. In the latest aes dump there's a paper on how to change the perceived elevation of speakers with just EQ. Monaural spatial cues are a thing.
>>109253778Why did you buy that pos...
>space travel 1's lasted me just short of a year before the left earbud refused to charge>space travel 2's lasted me about 3 months before doing the same>bought the bunny dsp>forgot my iphone is lighting not usb-cfuck my retarded existence
>>109253832
>>109253030They were never good and the jeet is selling "calibration" for them for $100. Okay driver, mediocre stock tuning, dogshit usability. Many fakes.
>>109253706post your IEMs. you won't. don't complain about no IEMs then.
Does JBL make good IEMs?
>>109253673>it's only you.it's irrelevantanswer the question
>>109253852>and the jeet is selling "calibration" for them for $100lmao, yea i'd never pay for that kek what kind of retard would.>dogshit usabilitywhat do you mean by that?
What happened to the headphone general?
>>109253170whatever your budget allows
>>109253959headphones were solved so there's no point in talking about them
>>109239888>In-Ear MonitorWhy do audiophiles call earbuds by some faggy over-complicated name?
>>109254039>solvedBy what and whoAnd is it one of those annoying audiophile things where if you're not willing to drop $3,000 each on multiple DACs/sets/IEMs you're poor?
>>109254039So is there like a definitive list of recs now for those?
>>109254050>By what and whoby sennheiser like 60 years ago>And is it one of those annoying audiophile things where if you're not willing to drop $3,000 each on multiple DACs/sets/IEMs you're poor?that would be retarded >>109254053hd600hd480pro for closed backs
>>109253964whats better between the 3 though Soda, Fola or Origin?
>>109253866>you won'tI just did. >don't complain about no IEMs then.you're the only anon schizo enough to tell anybody they have 0 IEMs. what's your next grift bitch?
>>109254097EA500LM
>>109254085What about HD650s? Also what about those old HD800 line they had?
>>109254181600 6xx 650 all fine>Also what about those old HD800 line they hadif you like it and can tolerate its earrape. people mostly get it for its soundstage or whatever
i fucked up. I replaced the wire on my DT's and my soldering job fucked it. I could probably attempt to fix it again but now the high end is distorted and the right driver is dimmer. (The heat might've killed it??)These fucking hinges didn't fit so I put in wood screws to hold the shit in place. They look fucking rad but they sound like trash now. FMLWhat's the next logical step here?
>>109254335buy a chinese iem
>>109254347any recs? im wearing some right now, i fucking love them but they sound so shit compared to my cans. i dont mind paying 200-300 for good ones that sound the same as what i had
>>109254050solved and pre-mogged by $5 vidos
>>109254363>right nowwhich ones?>what i hadwhich were?
>>109254502im wearing ZSN PRO X right nowi had DT 770 PROs
I'm so tempted to buy a desktop amp even though I don't need it coz I'm annoyed by this dongle flapping around on my desk
>>109254526Or you could get a longer cable.
These aren't "IEMs" but do these buds seem decent at all?https://www.bestbuy.com/product/jbl-tune-235nc-true-wireless-noise-cancelling-in-ear-earbuds-black/J7LXFWXPK2
>>109254511what's shitty sounding to you about them? do you want anything DT 770 PRO sounding?
>>109254558fucking JBLs? lmaoget them if you like hearing only bass earrape
>>109254570well... everything in the high ends is basically earrape. its not distorted, but its so prominent the rest of the song is drowned by it. i like the dt's because you can hear the whole song and all of the instruments. I would like to know whats similar to the DT's, or whatever's flat really.
>>109254593What would be a good pair of buds for connecting to my phone and using during a workout session, which is pretty much the only time I'd ever use them. I'm an over-ear kinda guy the rest of the time.
>>109254607do you *need* bluetooth? cause you're severely limiting yourself in terms of sound quality.
I managed to snag some Xenns Tea Pro for $240It has been stuck in customs for a week nowThree other things I ordered from China a week later have all been delivered alreadyI am gonna lose it I wanna hear these things so badI'm saving coins so I can get the Tea Pro SE for black friday
>>109254616They're workout IEMs/buds, my hearing is not nearly perfect (I'm 31 and have been using headphones most of my life) and while I am autistic there's only a certain amount of shame I'm willing to bear and I think having to bring and setup my external DAC everywhere at the gym would be too much.In short, I use bluetooth to connect my Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra to my Harmon-Kardon Mercedes-Benz sound system and that sounds fine to me. I'm sure it's not the best in the world but it's good enough for what I'm able to hear.
I bought the Earfun Air Pro 4+ 3 months and I've have been enjoying music since and stopped looking for "the next big thing"
>>109254637What the fuck bro you can get a top tier DAC for like $8
>>109254645Okay what do you think I'm going to be doing during a workout? And could you maybe imagine why cables might be getting in the way of that?I will keep that suggestion for my car, though.
>>109254603meh..flattest would be Crinear Reference. I guess look into that one.
>>109254656What are you doing that makes it impossible to wear iems are you breakdancing or bouldering
>>109254666Do you think I'm going to buy a highly specific aux length cable for my phone, keep it in my pocket the whole time, and then tape the cable to my chest? I can think of a million ways an overhead press could yank a cable just casually hanging off of my ears. Then you're gonna tell me that I can't just get any aux cable off of Amazon, I have to get a special one.
>>109254673The DYEL probably thinks "workout" means running on a treadmill
>>109254662thanks
whats the best bluetooth adapter for my KZ AZ09 connectors? cause my motherboard one isnt doing the job and randomly cuts out on the audio
>>109253922They fall out of ears easily. Even he said he can only use them at desk.
>>109254673You need something with a good IPX rating and transparency mode, we don't really care about these things here, check out scarbir.com, just don't pay much attention to sound quality there, he doesn't even measure them.
Anyone playing a guitar at home with headphone amp setup? How do you get rid of the hum and background noise? Is it even possible? I've just tried Vox amplug and I'm returning it because it could fry my ears with pos attached.I will try Lekato ME-05 next but if it sounds similar I will probably grab some open backs for it instead of IEM to mitigate the hum. Coming from nice dongles and low impedance pos it's like travel in time to the bronze age.
>>109254639Based. $100 tier is completly fine endgame for TWS. I've tried Snoys, Cambridges and Technics and downgraded to Oneplus and Soundpeats. Stick to the wires for quality and $100 TWS is good enaugh for convenience you get from mics and software.
>>109254940Let's say I still at least want some baseline of sound quality, are there any brands or anything I should gravitate towards?
>>109252025
>>109254994Sony will be the most consistent across android phones and since you have samsung you can check out samsung buds. "Quality" chinkshit buds need a chinkshit phone with LHDC. There's an actual vendor lock in going on.
Test
>>109254050>>109241535
My truthear gate and truthear pure after applying harman target EQ sound the same.I just burned 90 usd for nothing.
>>109255031Well I bought a Samsung 11.1.4 soundbar because it went on sale for 60% off for my Sony TV, why not get Sony earbuds for my Samsung phone?
>>109254994nta but https://www.scarbir.com/guide/best-tws-under-100What you really want at the gym is good eartips first. Not even once my earphones fell off in like 4-5 years even when I was sweating like a pig and I was using large ass, far for 'sporty' TWS (Engine 4, L3 or ones with stems). You may want some shape that gives you more passive isolation when you stick them in your ear, you don't need to fall for 'for sport' meme.
>>109254917i don't remember them being so maybe it depends of your ear idk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhgB0Avhgbk
>>109255049Should have equalized earlier.
>>109254950does your guitar not have humbuckers?
Looks like foxbum's bullshit "you have 0 IEMS" grift is finally fucking over
>>109255049Why did you equalize to that pos...
>>109254950Basically all musician equipment is fucking dogshit because their ears are fried from performing live. Try impedance adapters or low sensitivity IEMs.
>>109255403I have Yamaha 174 with PJ pickups. Even with just P on there is some amp noisefloor.I just have to get used to it because it looks like >>109255441
>>109255441only a non musician would say this>>109255464so use a noise suppressor.
>>109255478>just delete the noise with the noise deleter knob bro
>>109255491I accept your concession sis.
>>109247014>The B&K 5128 ear coupler is designed to accurately measure audio frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 kHz>The B&K 5128 ear coupler uses an anatomically correct ear canal and pinna with an angled eardrum simulator to match human ear impedance across the full 20 Hz–20 kHz range, unlike older IEC 60318-4 (711) couplers that were limited in high-frequency accuracy and in-ear device mounting.owarida 711chuds
>>109255514There are differences from humans as early as 5k on both. Rating just means they're doing QC in those ranges. In their paper they said 10kHz+ is inaccurate. B&K thinks 3dB channel imbalance passes QC btw.
>>109253922>what do you mean by that?nta but they have pretty poor isolation for an in-ear
>>109255563And their average ear isn't even average. It's just some dudes. For in-ear measurements you can just replace the target, but over-ear measurements were botched so badly DCA went back to using GRAS.
>>109255478Ah yes, musicians are famous for knowing all about how their equipment works. Electric guitar musicians in particular, which are still looking for where the tone comes from.
>>109255726Only a non musician would say this.
>>109256151Musicians say this all the time.
>>109256218You wouldn't know. You're not one
>>109256306>you can't read what musicians say if you aren't a musicianOnly a full retard would say this.
Even musicians know music isn't made out of balls.
>>109255478>we fucking love hissing ampsmusicians apparently
>>109256332>>109256349>>109256368samefag shitting up the thread as usual.
>>109256510Only a non musician would say this.
>>109253832iphone 17 is the best upgrade
>>109253899I have had their TUNE235NCTWS and they have serve me so far, though the left one is not charging properly now so it might be time for an update soon enough. I do want to get a headset for my PC though and I'm not sure of what to get. I thought this thread could help me, but seems like the shitflinging will never end.
>>109255563>>109255672Wait so JM-1 is arse and PEQdB is new meta?
>>109257507JM-1 is a replacement for 5128 DF based on actual average ear DF. The version for 711 is Delta JM-1. Peqdb was created purely from listening tests from 711 graphs. Different approaches. Targets are goyslop anyway. Use what you like personally.
why is epz g10 so good, bros?
>>109257628oh man I used to have those. I thought they were the absolute best. threw them away eventually
>>109258009>threw them away eventuallywhy
Is there any IEMs tuned to Fox Target? Closest that i found was EPZ p40. But it still lacks in bass and im not sure if you make custom faceplate for them.
tots on the chu iii techs? (box art)
>>109258159that new fatman pos
>>109258159You canPost target, I need a refresher>>109258160Pretty cute
>>109258172
>>109258178Oh right, like a slightly warmer Harman. Chopin maybe? Looks ugly as sin tho.
>>109258148they were gaudy and sounded like ass, so in the bin they went.
the cable for my ve monk studios is dying and i can't reliably get audio out of both budswhat earbuds do i buy to replace these that'll last longer? at the ~$20 price point
>>109258500most common rec here would probably be vidos or X6
why is the orijimmy so good, bros?
>>109258788You tell me, I sold mine because it sounded like shit.
>>109258788because you enjoy it.
>>109258788Low isolation, excellent build quality, good sound, what more can you ask for?
if your pos isn't individually serialized, it's a pos
>>109258865how can a pos redeem itself and refrain from being a pos?
>>109258160feel big AI vibes from this one
>>109258160Her stupid hair looks like eyebrows and makes her look like she's in pain from badly fitting IEMs.
>>109258160Tanchjim better, especially dark Asano with the Ola II.
>>109239888guys i'm a bit confused, if the only thing that matters is FR, why would you ever buy something more expensive than 100$ if you are gonna EQ anyway?
>>109259781it's better to have something that is easier to EQ. If POS has a lot of high frequency peaks cause of various reasons dealing with they is rather annoying. So price literally doesn't matter if something fit you well.>only thing that matters is FRfor sound quality
>>109259781Build quality, aesthetics, etc. If you plan on using EQ, buy the most comfortable pos. There is no difference in sound quality or EQ-ability between pos of different price
>>109259848So Gate with EQ = Storm?
>>109259957If you use EQ properly, then we can say that the "pure" acoustic response of the Gate is = Storm.Even if their FR at the eardrum were identical, external factors like comfort, weight, brand & price biases, etc will play a role in sound perception.
>>109257579>Use what you like personallyWhat if I want the closest thing to a neutral response without having access to good speakers to eq to?Sure I can prefer a non neutral EQ to improve a poor master but the most reliable target will be whatever is closest to the speaker setup that was used for mastering the content.
>>109259781>if the only thing that matters is FRnot true.>why would you ever buy something more expensive than 100$techs>if you are gonna EQ anywaynot really. it's not an upgrade if you "need" EQ>>109259957not even close
>>109260425>>if the only thing that matters is FR>not true.then why do so many people preach it like gospel?also is the statment true to some extent assuming you don't have trash tier tech that'll distort to begin with?let's say you have something decent to start with.>not really. it's not an upgrade if you "need" EQi'd EQ anyway, people have individual preference and ears for that matter, even on my high end planar headphones i like to EQ a bit.
>>109259814so assuming you don't go with the most absolute POS but something decent that won't distort like free airplane flatheads, let's say truthear hexa or pure, then with EQ there is no reason to get anything more expensive right?>for sound qualitywhat is there other than sound quality and comfort one would care about ?
>>109259957why are you so fucking fixated on storm? it's dogshit
>>109260418>What if I want the closest thing to a neutral response without having access to good speakers to eq to?you are out of luck then?>Sure I can prefer a non neutral EQ to improve a poor master but the most reliable target will be whatever is closest to the speaker setup that was used for mastering the content.target is not the problem. "reliable target" is not really a thing
>>109260486Cut them some slack, anons that never heard it will praise it because others do and because it's expensive.
>>109260468>why do so many people preach it like gospelwho? >is the statement true to some extent assuming you don't have trash tier tech that'll distort to begin with.not every price point sounds like its price point. there is a point of diminished returns, but on the flip side, value proposition absolutely exists and some pos punch above their price points by a long shot. and on the other hand, not a lot of people can tell the difference anyway. they can't tell what a good or bad audio mix is along with not knowing if it's their gear being the limitation. it helps to be very familiar with the audio you're listening to.>I'd EQ anywayand there's definitely nothing wrong with that. depending on how you enjoy your gear, your priorities can be different than others'. it's easy to be fed bullshit about what the "correct" way to listen is, so really...familiarize yourself with the audio you enjoy and ask yourself if your gear is bringing out the best from it. comfort helps too. >even on my high end planar headphones i like to EQ a bit.still, perfectly fine. the line between competent gear accurately replaying an audio's mix and the audio being mixed well already can easily be blurred if you're expecting too much or not knowing what there is to expect.
pic related is currently in the mail. What am i in for?
Please refer to the chart whenever someone brings up "techs".
>>109260468>then why do so many people preach it like gospel?it is true, that anon is just retarded.he thinks there's such thing as "driver quality" which he can't explain or define and that it influences "techs" which he also can't explain or define. basically magic.and I don't think it's really "so many people". most people are ignorant to science and have no idea what FR even is (that anon included)>i'd EQ anyway, people have individual preference and ears for that matter, even on my high end planar headphones i like to EQ a bit.Chance to get IEM that you don't need to EQ is very slim. You'd need a weirdo tuning that will fit and compensate for your own HRTF and interactions with said IEM.
>>109260541FiiO thingsHow's the hiss?
>>109260468>>109260533I wanna drill the main point home here:if you're enjoying what you're doing, anybody telling you you're doing it wrong is a mental midget. some people go crazy trying to refine further and further the experience and get to a point where the'll never be happy. the point of diminished returns for price is just as relevant for enjoying your gear and "the correct way" to enjoy it. only your subjective experience matters.
>>109260509Are human ear canals really so different that an average target wouldn't be close enough to at least use as a starting point?
>>109260628>starting point?being in the ballpark is fine. you'll go crazy worrying about things like HRTF and length modes. don't let anybody tell you you're not having fun the right way
>>109260483>et's say truthear hexa or pure, then with EQ there is no reason to get anything more expensive rightdepends on your anatomy but in most cases yeah pretty much
>>109260486name a better pentakilobuck hypetrain IEM to use in shitposts
>>109260418Then do the blind test multiple times, see what you converge unto.>>109260468You replied to a guy that thinks music is made out of balls. >>109260628See for yourself. That's with headphones, so it shows how they (incorrectly) interact with the anatomy, but IEMs have to recreate those features, since they bypass them. For example I hear a 9k peak with speakers so I add it after flattening all treble peaks.
>>109260680These IEMs are only relevant for as long as they're the most expensive(without being obviously awful like obravo). Now that mysticraft hex exists nobody is talking about storm. And hex will be forgotten when a new mediocre IEM will raise the price by 1k for no reason.
Is there any device that you can attach to the side of your phone maybe with MagSafe or through the USB-C port where you can use a suite of buttons for music playback? Like I imagine the device that's just picrel attached to one side of your phone
>>109260628>Are human ear canals really so differentuum well yes. it's not only ear canals tho. because IEMs are inserting into ear canal their tuning need to assume ear gain to some extent. Then there's acoustic impendence that will change FR even further. It's basically unpredictable.>an average target wouldn't be close enough to at least use as a starting pointI mean... Let's say you get the flattest POS in existence - crinear reference. But when you put them in instead of hearing what 5128 graphs show you hear it like this<It will be too bright sibilant and thin or whatever. So what's your actions then? Trying to "fix" it with EQ?what if on top of that your preference is more both treble and bass than reference? What if it misses your eargain and you'll need to unfuck whole 3k region cause you need it at like 2500?
>>109260719Khadas tea pro. But you can simply get those buttons on the cable.
>>109260719closest thing I could find https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/02/26/hyper-media-usb-c-hub-review-ports-and-physical-playback-controls-arrive-on-ipad
>>109260690>For example I hear a 9k peak with speakers so I add it after flattening all treble peaks.does it actually change sound in a meaningful way making it closer to how speakers sound?
>>109260760A/B testing with/without it sounds more open with it. The peaks that I get out of the box definitely sound worse.
>>109260841>>109260841>>109260841
>>109249864what happened to those edifiers? you tried to clean them with alcohol or something?
