How did AI replace SWEs so is still so bad at writing fiction?
>>109251279>>>/a/
>>109251283/a/ website newfag
>>109251279Most juniors aren't any better than AI. If you are competent you can tardwrangle AI like a junior and get workable results. That is about as far as the people making hiring decisions get. They don't bother asking trivial questions like is it cost effective and where will we get tomorrows tardwranglers?
>>109251279>How did AI replace SWEs
>>109251289wrong
>>109251546>>90482933>>88149343>>84755745>>74846612
>>109251279They didn't train creative writing. That's why conversationally these are all still garbage. Every model still using the same AI'isms and paragraph lengths and boring storytelling. We actually peaked with llama 3 for creativity.
>>109251279Software is much easier to train using reinforcement learning.And maybe they noticed that only the most autistic and brown people on earth would want to replace writing with AI. Compared to software, the total financial worth of that industry is probably a drop in the bucket anyway.
>>109251556>still wrong>still coping
>>109251279AI is still bad at writing software, too.
ai can't even replace jeet code monkeys lol since they keep getting hired apparently
do we tell him?
>>109251279It hasn't.
>>109251546moot can suck a dick and he does because he's a faggot.imagine invoking him as some kind of authority.
>>109251283Writing fiction fits much more in >>>/lit/ than >>>/a/, but (misinterpreting LLMs as) AI is a fine >>>/g/ topic anyway
>>109252769LLMs are AI
turns out coding is unskilled monkey nigger work
>>109251279There is one guy working on an LLM that actually that does non-slop writing: https://xcancel.com/jmrphy/status/2074960773290332457
>>109252640What are they doing?
>>109251279Code is an internally consistent linguistic paradigm, natural language is not. Creative writing is defined in its unique shape, people read to escape and explore beyond the normal. Ai by cosine similarity provides the most normative answer at the floor of its weights, even if you ask it to be unique it will find the most normal path through that uniqueness
>>109252981Oh dang, why is this amazing for me to watch?
devs arent actually getting replaced, imagine still believing headlines after what happened in 2020
>>109251279Corporations are using AI as a pretext to get rid of all the diversity bloat, the parasites they hired in the previous years. The field is over saturated with frauds who can only code in toddler languages, and the mentally ill sabotaging vital infrastructure with rust.
>>109252981who would want thisother than to masturbate
>>109255052cope
>>109251279Non swe in closed meetings decide what jobs exist and how they want you to do it.
>>109253383They have a fever each, so they're hugging each other to be warmer, while drenched in cold sweat. Hopefully they get better in the morning.
>>109255052oh honey... take a look around
Because coding agents can test against objective measurements and succeed through trial and error. There's no compiler spitting out useful errors or test suites for writing good fiction.
I've been trying to get AI to replace me for over a year now and every time I evaluate the latest products they're still infuriatingly dogshit at doing anything that doesn't already exist. Like they straight up lie to you and ignore directions, and it costs money to have them waste your time. I'm not kidding.
>>109251283BASED!>>109251289>>109251279-ACK!
>>109257581try Fable or Solthings have completely changed now
>>109257604That's what they said last time. The only difference I can tell is that the newer models get faster. Not better, just faster.
>>109251763Saucepan's podunk probably 1B parameter cheapskate LLM they trained themselves that runs on a mac mini in their basement, is observably better at creative writing than deepseek.There is absolutely no effort being put into creative writing by any of the big companies
>>109252981>this guy is in my block list for some reason>can't be that bad honestly, he seems to be doing some productive stuff with LLM's>unblock and check his posts>15 paragraph spiel defending women with tattoos saying it's actually the hottest thing ever>goes right back into my block list immediately
>>109255052they are getting replaced by jeets, not AIthe AI is enabling the jeets to produce work that superficially looks ok to the boomer retard bosses running the business, so they don't understand they're slitting their own throats doing this yet.
>>109255052willful ignorance kek
Fable 5 is exponentially better at plot beat consistency and character development than any tool that's so far been available. But even then it's only a tool and needs constant course correction and lots of rewriting to approach something usable. If you're looking for "push a button and give me a commercially viable manuscript" that's a long way off.
>>109258054I'm pretty sure Marvel has been using ai for their plots since the 1950s
>>109251279lol
>>109258054>a long way offYou mean "forever".If you can just push a button to make it, there's no point in buying or selling it.The only ones that I expect to be able to sell slop books (without outright scamming the audience like what's happening right now) are copyright owners of authors that are already popular. Like some Tom Clancy-esque army of ghostwriters but with LLMs. And what's being sold here is the name on the cover, nothing else.
>>109258904>>109258054IMHO the real value is using RAG + an eloquent low context drift LLM for plot and character continuity checks. Like say you have a large book or even a multi year spanning mega-IP.You tell the robot: This is my plot, has anything like this happened before? Are there any ways my character could solve this with things that already showed up?Boom.Immediate nerd crack.The MCU did super basic easter eggs and plot tie ins and it made people coom endlessly
>>109257604>just try these new modelsoh no no no no
>>109259855very rarealso the massive gains far outweigh incidents like this (assuming he isn't lying)also, this is the worse these models will ever betry again though, blue-haired luddite
>>109251279learn english
>>109260045>denies any issues>accuses others of lying>"worse the models will ever be">ludditebuy an ad.
>>109260095
>>109260110$0.0013 has been deposited to your account
>>109251279I hated Rebellion but for some reason I'm looking forward to the new movie. Need to watch the Fancutfags edit of the original season to get hyped.
>>109260491>I hated Rebellion
>>109251279>still so bad at writing fiction?There are some core problems with how language and tokens are put together. There isn't a ton of research on the topic compared to code, business, legal, webshit etc etc...One problem is the need for LLMs to compress tokens for efficiency and the fact at odds with this is that good prose tends to be token maximalist. LLMs can identify expensive token phrases, but immediately wants to compress them into more basic language. The trick to getting good prose is to get the LLM to be expensive with it's token use when it comes to prose. It can be done, and probably will be, but for now it's just the odd ai tinkerer who also likes to read or create stories worth reading, or listening to. I wish /g/ was more receptive to the idea of developing this, but between the need to make webshit, and the need to screetch autistically at ai usage, there isn't much room for conversation. And /lit/ is entirely anti-ai. The best option on 4chan is the gooners and their chat bots, but that isn't really a great option.
>>109252793Actually Indian>>>/int/
>>109251279Because AIs are really good at robotic implementation of tasks, which is perfect for code but not so good for dynamic and human efforts such as writing
>>109251279The real problem is that most fiction is bad. At least most published code runs. The typical published fiction story is barely readable.
>>109261078(Me)If anyone is interested in fiction literature and ai, the word limit before it begins to shit is around 1200 words. So start small. Use standards like you would with code. It's an exercise in context management if you want to vibecode.A ten page fictional work that is unique and well written should be the first major goal. (which is nearly twice the word count where it starts to shit itself)
