It's over editionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/>/iemg/'s Journal:https://iemgazette.pages.dev/>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/>Measurements:https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• NICEHCK Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>109275555
Remember to EQ
>schizophrenia>cringearWhat’s next? ‘The Shitposter’ iem?
>>109287708The fat fuck can't stop winning.
>Harman sounds like shit>Haan sounds better than forced fatso new memetalet it sink a bit
>>109287693There's a ball-shaped hole in the audio knowledge. We should torture engineers and musicians to find out where they're hiding them.
Sadly r/iems and r/inearfidelity are better than endless rumbling about EQing plastic trash from AliExpress Change my mind
>>109287708don't preorder folksorder finally shipped out, took almost 3 whole months all of that just because with coupon it was 5€ cheaper than on Ali and I was stingywhich I'll probably have to spend on new import taxes, since it's coming from china
>>109287923The rumbling wouldn't be endless if you could just understand and accept the truth.
>>109287923They are better, go back there.
my eq collection
>have to repost becuase thread was over and I didn't notice>>109286667If you're a knower of things and a real actual IRL developer, then do you know why pipewire upsamples the audio output signal to 48khz and how I can make it fuck off and just output what my source file is?>>109286677JamesDSP works for me but I'd look into your solution since you're based and one of us.
>>109288170True
>>109288143Please make a macOS version. The current methods to do EQ is sparse compared to windows
>>109288338what does your gf think of that?
what's the SINAD of your keyboard? topping won
>>109288592You can't domesticate foxes that easily I think
any anon saying KZ doesn't have working BAs in their IEMS in 2026 is a lying sack of euro shit>>109288755>foxesare hunted for sport
>>1092886482bh not a bad idea
>>109288648Mechanical keyboards lower the SINAD of my room.
>>109289068>any anon saying KZ doesn't have working BAs in their IEMS in 2026 is a lying sack of euro shitFunny! Because the average KZ multidriver pos from 2026 looks like this. I lowk think they still haven't figured out how to solder their BAs.
>>109290306>judging by random graphsare you finished? /iemg/ has at least one person who bought a >$100 EPZ and I shit you not, they couldn't tell the fundamental difference in techs between their cheaper model. same company. the same person will tell you, you can EQ all the naughties out anyway.
>>109290425>random graphsWhat, not enough balls in them?
>>109288109based, here are my custom profiles: >>109287704
>>109290425Literal fake news btw
>>109290444bigger balls than you>>109290505you have no balls.
>>109288648rebadged moondrop
>>109290917>higher SINAD>good ADC>EQ>no gay colorwayez topping win
>>109291412i forgot to add the screen too
>>109291412so now, not only will it fry your headpos, but also your pc.
>>109290489nice i see we share quite a few. my case cost 1.5 dollars on amazon btw if you ever want to get out of the bag
if you pay 100 times more you can get the TOTL case
>>109292148i just throw mine in a drawer
CanJammers, don't forget to check out listener and ShillSound presentation about why FR is everything
EQ and FR lost
>>109288143>you know why pipewire upsamples the audio output signal to 48khzwhat's your source audio?could be that your dac doesn't support the samplerate of your source audio and so it has to be upsampled.what does your pw-top looks like when you play music?also look up your pipewire.conf there is a default.clock.allowed-rates line.
>>109288580i do not use nor care about macos or own any mac, i could consider it if it's either A easy enough or B would you be willing to pay a lifetime license like 10$ or something, if i can sell it i'd be fine spending the extra time to support platforms i don't use.
>>109288592nta, that's not my kind of stuff but i don't think my gf would realy care she already knows i'm weird lol.
>>109290425dude, a 20db dip at 8k would definitely sound like shit.
>>109292520not if you EQ it to perfection, it won't
>>109292764>not if you EQ it to perfection, it won'ttrue but that's assuming you can add a whole 20db without distortion.
>>109292220I mean we literally know whyfucking things work differently on different heads even after you normalize for HRTFquestion should be I guess how to minimize such variance or even if it's possible at all
Anyone know a good pair of IEMs similar to the juzear clear? the clears sadly don't work well with the shape of my ear canal, the right likes to cut out if inserted at the wrong depth. Also, anyone know a good place to sell IEMs I don't want?
>>109292764Are you not tired of this retarded comments? You have no idea how EQ even works and why something are easier to EQ than others.
>>109292764Big spikes and dips in treble are way harder to EQ, especially since they often move a bit depending on IEM insertion.
>>109292800>even after you normalize for HRTFstill have to normalize for ear canal.wait until the nerve signal FR is the new meta.anyway, even if FR is the same at the eardrum the brain will interpret it differently.it's literaly impossible to have two people ear the same thing, even if FR is matched at the eardrum, the cochlea, nerve, brain will still process it differently.though, what you can do is same FR at the eardrum which mean for the same person, two different iems / headphones will sound the same, but that can't work accross people obviously.
>>109292427idk if there is any comercial EQ that can get as low as 0.3ms of latency, but this one will be able to as you can choose your samplerate or run quantum free.
>>109292795I personally can. You however, cannot. >>109292807>You have no idea how EQ even workshow do you come up with that?>>109292900why are you telling me this? I know how to EQ already.
>>109293095Because you're acting like you don't.
>>109293117nah, you're going around assuming things as if you're the arbiter of IEM truth. you're not. go pick a random fight somewhere else.
>>109293095>I personally can. You however, cannot.that depends of your hardware not skills retard.>how do you come up with that?nta but i'm literaly the guy programming an EQ and you sound like you don't know how an EQ works.>I know how to EQ alreadydoesn't seem like you do if you think EQ can solve distortion above a certain DB threashold.if a driver can produce 75db at 8khz without distortion, no EQ profile will be able to fix that.if that was true you could EQ a pos iem to be as loud as a speaker lmao.
>>109293227can't*
>>109293227>that depends of your hardware not skills retard.I have both, relax. >nta but i'm literaly the guy programming an EQ and you sound like you don't know how an EQ works.you're so quick to judge and tell everybody they know nothing. you're actually just projecting hostile feelings with no basis of your accusations. >doesn't seem like you do if you think EQ can solve distortion above a certain DB threashold.I knew this already. and you spelled threshold wrong. are you ESL?
>>109293276>you're so quick to judge and tell everybody they know nothing>>I personally can. You however, cannot.sure, the hostility was not without reasons.we were talking about kz pos, you were implying that it was a skill issue because the hardware was already defined.>are you ESLyes, i'm a French speaking Swiss
>>109293311>sure, the hostility was not without reasons.maybe you should take a look at yourself. you sound like you have no idea how EQ works and are masking your lack of knowledge with calling the kettle black
>>109293311>french speaking swissjesus fucking christ that literally answers all of my doubts in the past few weeks lmao
>>109293346>you have no idea how EQ worksi'm literaly the guy that's writting an EQ...you implied that distortion could be fixed with EQ, you sound like you are the one calling the kettle back.>>109293359i've only started lurking in this general like 4 days ago.
>>109293474>i'm literaly the guy that's writting an EQ...you mean grock and chatgpt are helping you vibecode it?
>>109293519>you mean grock and chatgpt are helping you vibecode it?i've been a sw eng for more than a decade before llm's were a thing.also i'm only using local model and in this specific project it's only for the UI stuff like biquad is manualy done because i don't want them to fuck it up.
>>109292967>still have to normalize for ear canal.ear canal is included>anyway, even if FR is the same at the eardrum the brain will interpret it differently.these effects will be much more subtle than you having 5dB peak at 8k and me having 5dB dip at 8k with the same headphones cause reasons.
>>109293532what's really so special about *your* EQ, then? why should anyone have to use yours over anything else?
>>109293519>>109293532i bet you couldn't even explain what an FFT or timbre is without looking it up
>>109293545stop falseflagging
>>109293548you're doing the thing again. >>109293559huh? did gpt tell you that? it's too simple a question to avoid.why should anybody trust dude's malware over literally anything else?
>>109293545>what's really so special about *your* EQthere is literaly no good graphical parametric EQ on linux / pipewire (ie easyeffects just has a bunch of sliders), let alone one that allows you to see how a headphones FR is impacted by your settings and having stuff like autoeq and builtin targets.though i don't care if you find it special or not, i just decided to make it because what i was looking for does not exist, i basicaly wanted peqdb.com/studio but with realtime system EQ and more features.i also want to add some togglable realtime fft so you can see the sound you are EQing in realtime, which would make it easier to identify peaks etc.like seriously tell me you don't find the one i'm doing more intuitive to use than easyeffects.
My EQ? -200 dB Q2 0.71Hz
>>109293474>i'm literaly the guy that's writting an EQ...nta, but why don't you make a good android EQ app that doesn't suck?
>>109293582>nta, but why don't you make a good android EQ app that doesn't suck?i could port it to android altough it's mostly desigend for keyboard and mouse right now.and there is already one that's being built, see equalizer314, it's open source.anyway, i was missing it more on desktop than on phone, point is i want something that makes it easy to find my eq profile, and then later i can just export / import it.also i'll want to do some blind random eq mutation tournament thing so you could GA your eq curve.
>>109293577thanks. people can ask questions without being met with sperging, you know.you said you started lurking 4 days ago and already you're a cynic.
>>109293609>people can ask questions without being met with sperging, you know.i'm actualy diagnosed with autism if that wasn't obvious by the way i write lmao.>ago and already you're a cynicwasn't my goal to sound so, i don't think you are motivated by selfishness if that's what you mean by that.anyway, no ill feelings.
>>109293625I accept your concession.
>>109293577looks pretty cool anon
>>109293665hey jared lol>>109293676thanks
well i used to think some iems / headphones could make sense for gayming because EQ has a latency cost, but turns out after some optimisation i can get < 0.1ms latency so neat i gues.
>>109293863nice!are they comfortable?even though i can EQ a pos to sound nice i'm kinda eyeing at those because i just love how they look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGeM26pEhkUsisters, why he didn't mention anything in the budget of 1-5USD.Is he right?
>>109290425Epz makes a perfect single driver but their multidiver's waterfall is not as nice, making the former look like accidents.
>>109292764In case people forgot, "EQ to perfection" is 2 shelf filters.
>>109294665>"EQ to perfection" is 2 shelf filters.i generaly have 2 shelf, 1 pk.and sometime one or 2 to remove some sibilance that's specific to my ear.
>>109293582Android simply doesn't want you to make good system-wide EQs. You're either limited in effects or some apps won't work.
>>109292220The consistency in question.
>>109294775android is very limited in this aspect, every DAP manufacturer had to write system wide EQ and modify android just to make it work. And even with DAPs u are limited to software provided by manufacturer that sometimes is limited. Same with androids limit to 48khz sample rates, everything extra on top of that had to be added by DAPs producers (and if u want to sell 2000usd android DAP u need to add lots of that shit)I think fiio system wide EQ in their daps couldn read EQ filles so u had to recreate everything using their app (i was anoying to do on 4,5inch smartphone screen from 10y ago), dont know if they update it or its still like that.
do i pay 120 bucks for a nice case that comes with the pos or 40 bucks for just the case
>>109292800u can do it. Answer is out there in wireless world, in Airpods pro to be precise. They can measure ur inear FR on the fly and adjust eq to match factory target in real time. If they had EQ settings exposed for modification it would be awesome. Dont know if that shit is patented or it was super expensive to develop so others cant really fake that so easly.
>>109294665PR2 supremacy
>>109294801doesn't matter how loud it is as long as the shape is more or less the same.and generaly you can get it to the same shape with 2 shelf filters
>>109294938is it open back?if yes would you recommend the pr2 or pr x?
>>109294733Ok, just be aware it's not enough for people with working hearing.
>>109295056get both. and no, it's not open back.
>>109295088>it's not enough for people with working hearingdoesn't matter, only FR matters and it can be EQ'd.>>109295117>it's not open backah too bad.i want some iems i don't need to take out to ear.
>>109288580Fuck your mac kid.>>109292404My source is some flacs on my PC which are mostly 44khz and I'm outputting to an external DAC which definitely supports it. This was the one thing that was working on losedows 10. What's a pw-top?
>>109295145>What's a pw-topit's a pipewire command that shows what's going on.and yea probably didn't 44khz in default clock rates.
>>109288580pricing will be :windows version 10$ lifetimemac version 100$ lifetimelinux version, free.
>>109295371Kek
>>109295419they should be glad it's not a monthly subscription lol
>>109292427Why do all vibeslopped eq software look the same? This looks like kekdb
>>109295930>Why do all vibeslopped eq software look the samebecause i'm slopping the UI as i don't like UI stuff and i first focus on the functionality.i'll style it to be more unique once i nailed teh functionality, right now i just want to have the features i want.also kekdb's feature set is literaly the inspiration, though i want stuff it cannot have due to not being a system EQ, ie realtime FFT and spectral graph of system audio so you can see the sound you are trying to EQ as it's playing.also kekdb isn't realy an EQ as it doesn't touch your system sound realtime, this does.
>>109287708well, reference feature works now, just autoeq left and then the fancy stuff like realtime FFT and it should be near complete software.maybe i'll add the option to fzf search and import FR from online measurments.
>>109295948>ie realtime FFT and spectral graph of system audio so you can see the sound you are trying to EQ as it's playing.You can upload your music and play it there.
>>109294551You could tell by the faceplate.
>>109295357See. It's trolling.
Yo, EQChad, will your EQ thing allow me to EQ input audio such as my XLR microphone connected to my piece of shit audient interface?
>>109298004>You can upload your music and play it there.this is absolutely shitty compared to just playing my music directly from mpd.>>109298156set default.clock.allowed-rates = [ 44100, 48000 ]in your pipewire.conf>>109298193no but i could add it without too much difficulty, i could just use input devices instead of system audio.
one thing EQ can't do is textured bass
>>109298411It's not working twin...
>>109298779You have a / that shouldn't be there and you didn't uncomment the option so it's not doing anything, remove the #
>>109298756There is literally nothing eq can't do besides fix distortion, though you could artificially introduce distortion as well if you wanted.Now that i think of it i think I'm gonna emulate artificial THD feature to my EQ so you can emulate pos if you want to.
>>109298861Largest cope you keep telling yourself is true
you can cook a pizza in a stone oven or in a microwave. it will taste the samethis is how the FR guy arguments
>>109298845I don't know why my retarded ass did it backwards. OBVIOUSLY the # is making the line inactive. I was trying to make the default rate inactive by removing the #. Most embarrassing post of my 4chan career.
>>109298972you are the one coping because you wasted money on a pos.it is literaly true, whether you believe it or not, it has been proven countless time and even is the logical conclusion if you take more than 5 minutes thinking about what sound is and how it gets to your ear.
>>109298988Imagine being so fat you look at IEMs and see food.
>>109298988>more retarded analogies made by retardssound is not a pizza anon, nor is it balls.>>109299040kek
Every "EQ can't" actually means "I can't".
and EQ guys will say a pizza cooked in a stone oven and microwave tastes the same because both were set at 300c
>>109299051dude, they will both say that technicalities aren't in the FR yet fail to say what they are or where they are and at the same time believe that EQing or some other bullshiht can remove them but definitely not FR.>>109299058best pizza is cooked under a rocket thruster because it cost 100M or something.
>>109299058another guy says his 20euro microwave can btfo his 1500euro stone oven because he seasoned his microwave
>>109298756what makes a good speaker have that?
>>109299096but after half a year his 1500 euro stone oven only costs 700 euro so his stone oven is actually just and air fryer. that's why he is coping with his microwave
>if the price decreases the techs decrease Freudian slip
>>109299058well if you used technology to turn the microwave into a true oven you'd not be able to tell the difference until i told you it's a fancy tuned microwave.
Pizza balls in your ears today!
just proves that multi driver techs is top tier. i have a microwave with air fryer and convection oven functionalities and it does everything.just gotta eq the time and temperature for certain food and it all comes out perfectly.
Gemmy thread
EQ sisters, we are talking about EQing 5USD shitbuds. Meanwhile jeets literally EQing their shit tier cars to drive and look like million dollar car. I mean it looks close so it must drive like ferrari.Is EQing your car new meta?
hot take:100hz is 100hz300°c is 300°c
>>109299843cooking meat in a 300 degree celsius water bath compared to 300 degree celsius air will yield different results.much like the timbre that a dynamic driver produces at 100hz is different to one a BA produces.
>>109299875>start talking about heat transfer ok band pass 100hz, record both, and show the null
you'll just claim shenanigans anyway, so why bother
>>109298988It sounded better in your head.
>>109287708>Tanchjim Zero Ultimasecond pair arrived in the mail 2 days ago after the first one just stopped triggering my phone to recognize that headphones were plugged in. Got 2 days use out of them before the same thing happened, this time from slightly bending the USB-C connector while it was in my pocket.>Sony IER-EX15CHave a pair of these too but they're insanely quiet for no good reason.Anybody have a rec for similar headphones that 1 aren't quiet as shit and 2 don't break immediately? 4th time's a charm. So glad I finally went with a non 3.5mm audio port phone :)
>>109300136airpods 4
>>109300227id sooner buy a pmp or old phone before using bluetooth headphones
>>109300243but you bought a cabled headphone and they all broke
>>109300253I've used 3.5 mm cabled headphones for 20 years and none of them broke from connector lol. The Sony ones hold up fine they're just quiet. The Tanchjims are loud enough but are made like shit.Surely there's an answer here. I'm gonna just order a few dongles and go back to 3.5 mm but I'm willing to give straight USB-C one more chance before that
>>109300136>Have a pair of these too but they're insanely quiet for no good reason.Have you tried it using a PC/laptop? Sometimes Android nerfs the hardware volume. But just buy a dongle like the truthear keyx or snowsky tiny a/b and a pos for something more reliable.
>>109299875>timbrei bet you can't even define what timbre is nigger.there is nothing that is more FR than timbre, quite literaly...your opinion is entirely based in lack of comprehension, seriously learn something for once...
>>109300395>Surely there's an answer here. I'm gonna just order a few dongles and go back to 3.5 mm but I'm willing to give straight USB-C one more chance before thattangzu red lion usb-c
>>109300417>Have you tried it using a PC/laptop? Sometimes Android nerfs the hardware volume.I have not because I don't have anything else that can output audio through USB-C, but the fact that the Zeros get loud enough tells me that it's probably not Android nerfing volume. Ofc I could be wrong though, if it's somehow recognizing a specific model headphones and is set to act differently for that specific one lol.When I used a dongle at first I had to toggle the like "disable USB audio routing" setting or whatever it was, and I noticed that after an automatic update the setting was still toggled correctly but USB-C audio just stopped working. Magically fixed itself a few hours later so idk, there's something janky about the way Android handles USB-C audio for sure. Wouldn't be surprised if it's intentional to bully me into buying bluetooth headphones but removing the 3.5mm port is enough for me to never get those out of spite. Like I said I'd sooner buy a PMP than BT headphones, but I already have enough shit in my pockets as is.>truthear keyx or snowsky tiny a/b and a pos>tangzu red lion usb-cty anons, gonna scope these out now and order something
bass with a dynamic driver sounds different than bass with a planar or estat
Got these recently but some of the online material says it supports a multipoint mode to connect to multiple devices at once. I tried it and it does connect to multiple devices but only one of them gets audio through. Is there something I need to do to enable it?
>>109300523Yes because the FR is different, and it can be EQ'd/thread.
>>109300551nta, but no.
i better sell my kilobucks while theyre still worth something
An inline 4 engine tuned to 700hp is as fast as a V10 engine with 700hp
Curious why music festivals use big ass DD speakers instead of planars or estats. Or why estat speakers have subwoofers to create bass. So curious when you can just EQ!
>>109300569you just don't know what you are talking about.anyone that think there is something other than FR just has no fucking clue, your opinion comes from lack of knowledge and understanding on the topic.
>>109300640top 3 dumbest /iemg/ post of all time
>>109300640>Curious why music festivals use big ass DD speakers instead of planars or estatsmuch cheaper to get the desired loudness.also speakers are not minimum phase systems (unlike headphones and iems).>Or why estat speakers have subwoofers to create bassbecause the way they are designed they literaly cannot generate bellow 60hz or something.ie my monitoring speakers can't generate anything at ALL bellow 60hz.that's why you pair it with a sub.iems and headphones can generate the full 20-20khz spectrum so you can EQ, but you cannot EQ a frequency that's not even there in the first place.>So curious when you can just EQ!literaly no one said that, each time one condition (and optionaly a second that is obvious is stated)the first being low thdthe second being that your device is capable of generating the whole spectrum, of course you are not gonna be able to EQ 8khz if your device is not capable of producing 8KHz at all.
>>109300711you can't edit a dynamic speaker to playback like a planar speaker. just not how it works, Max.
>>109300640THD nigga. DD is king everywhere except headphones, where some planars are better.
>>109300748>you can't edit a dynamic speaker to playback like a planar speakeryou literaly can, that's exactly how it works, but i bet you cannot why it supposedly cannot.
>>109300748You can.
>>109300774>>109300776editing in REW isn't doing what you think it's doing. it would help if you owned more than 0 IEMS.
>>109300784Your mental illness isn't what we are doing.
>hundreds of threads full of bickering>0 pos picsuwqeh
Nobody has ever measured IEMs with EQ applied... it must be fake... techs are real...
>>109300833now show us how to edit impulse responses then edit them to perfectly overlay other impulse responses so we can say we're sciencing
And EQing with convolver, it doesn't exist, it's a myth...
>>109300806>>109300831show your collections
>>109300848EQ working as intended? Impossible... that can't be right...
>>109300833>scooping the midsEQfags are really retarded aren't they
>>109300858>edits IR>"ITS MEASURED AFTER THE FACT, SEE????????"not falling for it.
How can you eq bass slams from a dd into your pos
>>109300864They're btfoing me too hard, engage the reality denial field...
>hit drums with metal and wooden drumsticks>imagine how they would sound different and have different timbral qualities>try to fathom that it is probably impossible to make them produce the exact same frequency due to physical properties Oh you can? Ok now apply the same logic to driver types. It's the exact same thing. >But saaar you can EQ anything to anything saar. FR is everything bloody bencho!!! Trust the basedence!!! (of which I have a limited grasp of)
>>109300878I was just about to post that pic ;p>>"this REALLY WAS MEASURED AFTERWARDS YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME"sure, buddy, suuuuure.
this mfer singlehandedly brought down the average iq into the single digits
Why does a C note from a piano sound different than a C note from a violin? It's the same FR, no?
>>109300904they have different TIMBRES, DUH!silly billy
this >>109300904 is the level of retardation we are dealing with, sweet mother of jesus...
>>109300887Nobody EVER measured IEMs after EQ...
>>109300884>>109300904>It's the same FR, no?No. Hope this helps.
>>109300904no one can answer you because people itt are too low IQ to play an instrument
>>109300904learn about harmonics please
>>109300932You don't need to play instruments to know about harmonics.
You can add harmonics with EQ according to /iemg/.
>>109300950answer us: what is a harmonic
>>109300950What harmonics are your drivers adding that aren't shown in THD/IMD?
>>109300950harmonics are FREQUENCIES at multiples of the fundamental, and constitute the timbral characteristic of the instrument
>play a tone through my IEM>no harmonicsFeels great owning a well-engineered IEM.
>>109300950You can't because the timbre.
>>109300980Only wooden IEMs have timber.
>>109300784i do, it would help if you understood how sound actualy works.
middle C is about 260hz. even without eq both instruments sound different
>>109300950yes you literaly can add them with software...>>109300980timbre literaly is FR, you seem to like to throw around words you do not understand the meaning of.
>>109300998Middle C is 7 different frequencies playing at the same time. Maybe more than 7.
>>109300998So we're back to talking about why bass from a DD sounds different than from a planar at the same FR.
>>109301019It doesn't.
ITT: anons not knowing what an FFT is
well autoeq works now.also leveling target and baseline to see how good is the overlap.
>>109301019only someone that doesn't understand what sound is or works would think that
>>109301006>timbre literaly is FRsending a sine through speakers and measuring its response doesn't tell you anything other than how much or less it will color the audio.that's it.
>>109301046IEMs don't do anything else.
>>109301031i love the way this looks anon
>>109301046>sending a sine through speakers and measuring its response doesn't tell you anything other than how much or less it will color the audio.that's it.timbre is literaly harmonics, a pure sine wave has no timbre, if it has timbre it'll be a sum of sine wave that looks squigly and thus won't have just one vertical line on a FR.see >>109284865
>>109301046>timbre is a series of frequencies of varying amplitudes >FR describes the amplitude of frequencies>mic records an instrument with timbre>captures multiple amplitudes for multiple frequencies>speakers play back the recording>speaker has inherent amplitudes for different frequencies>speaker response affects instrument amplitude>speaker affects timbre
>>109301059thanks, i still want to change the design of the buttons, make them more square, i haven't focused much on the styling yet rn it's just features.also there is a lot of settings, ie autoeq
>>109301054stereo imaging exists. not all IEMS reproduce the same audio mix the same, no matter how dead neutral you EQ.
>>109301067>speaker has inherent amplitudes for different frequenciesyes that's called FR>speaker affects timbreyes, a speaker has its own default FR, which can be EQ'd.you can literaly EQ away the timbre of any instrument.
>>109301082There are no balls inside IEMs.
>>109301082>no matter how dead neutral you EQ>what is stereo EQyou know you can EQ channels separately anon.
>>109301093He doesn't know. He doesn't even know that panning works by making one channel quieter. He thinks it's balls.
>>109301100honestly he should seriously just learn this.it would take less than a day just to understand why, and once you do there is no going back because you know the reason.it's so fucking simple why won't he learn.
>>109301082Stereo imagining is not FR except all the things in stereo imaging that are FR and none of the things that IEMs physically can't change in a mix(but you pretend that IEMs are changing without explaining how).
>>109301091>>109301093bullshitting your way in and out of the topic won't help you if you pre-decided to ignore it entirely. it's 2026, the lid on EQ magic should have been blown already, but it proved nothing. plenty of IEMS with "not-neutral" or even v-shaped tunings exist while still putting out good techs.I feel sorry that you probably spent over $100 on something that didn't fulfill your expectations, but you'll have to get over it at some point because the >$5 POS+EQ=GOD grift is literal satan to the audio world
>>109301127"Balls" is not some kind of different point of view that can be argued about, it's just wrong. There are no balls inside your IEMs and your music files. You can check, don't be afraid.
>>109301127>if you pre-decided to ignore it entirelythe fucking irony.you know my original opinion was the same as yours, then i heard about all that FR discussion, i decided to learn and i understood and once i did i changed my mind, and it's really not that hard.only uninformed people think that there balls outside of FR.seriously just take the time to learn the reason or at least why we say that, then maybe have an opinion right now you just don't know what you are talking about.>plenty of IEMS with "not-neutral" or even v-shaped tunings exist while still putting out good techsand ?you do realise there is more than just the general shape, a rader smallish peak in the FR can suddenly makes it sound more "detailed" have you ever played with an EQ that's not shit?>I feel sorry that you probably spent over $100 on something that didn't fulfill your expectationsi don't have money issue, the truth is i can get my cheapest pos to sound near indistinguishable to my most expensive hardware and i know why, and i know that in theory you could get them to be an exact match with the right eq profile.>is literal satan to the audio worldit may be counter intuitive but it's literaly the truth and all you have to do is learn and understand the underlying mechanisms of why that is so.you literaly think timbre is not in the FR when timbre is literaly the most FR like propriety in any audio signal, it's literaly defined as impurities from a pure tone/sine, ie extra sinewaves summed to the primary tone.>>109301140thisanyway dude, i'm willing to spoonfeed you if you realy want, ask question go on i can explain to you from A to B why it's just FR and nothing else, all your "technicalities" are in the FR and it's been proven again and again, but you don't even need an experiment if you understand the math behind it.
>>109301127This. EQ being the end all is literally denial of the highest degree
>>109301059>>109301076do you prefer round or more square buttons anon ?
>>109301182I like balls
>>109301164thinking it's not the end all is the biggest denial, you literaly ignore audio engineering and math itself because you like to think there is more to it.you are literaly incapable of naming a single thing that's not in FR or why it supposedely isn't.
>>109301031i need command lines to switch presets mmmkay
>>109301197noted, i'm a big command line user too, it'll have a socket you can send command to and an api.so you can use the official tool or write your own.
>b-but DD and planar bass sound different>have literally different FR...well no shit?
>have the literal lowest distortion devices on the planet for $20>still must invent a reason to consoom something better(the "better" stuff always measures worse for some reason)Reddit was a mistake.
>>109301182i also prefer them round
>>109301222>Most verifiably false comment of all time award>Utter poorfag cope award
>>109301241Btfod instantly award.
>>109301241>claim it's verifiably false>has no argument or evidencekekand you better not say muh timbre again.
>>109301234i think i'll just allow user styles too, maybe add a few default themes.
>>109301182The FAGMAN guideluines say that you must circle the squared squircle a couple of times.
>>109301260this is the superior option, good thinking
>>109301249>Thinks being able listen to your IEM at 104 dB is the only thing that matters award
>>109301276Nobody said that. I accept your concession.
>>109301270lol, i'm not making FAGMAN software.>>109301271yea i just want to avoid feature creep.i got most of what i want now, but still a few more things before i choose to release.>>109301276i may be an odd ball here but i rarely listen above 60db.i once measured my audio level on my headphones with a decibelmeter and yea it said 52db, though, i listen all day so it's probably for the better.
>>109301276If it has lower distortion at 104dB then it also has lower distortion at 94, 84, 74, 64, 54, 34, 24, 14 and 4dB as well. Hope this helps.
>>109301276>>109301289if it can do 104db with low distortion it can do 70 with practicaly none.that means you can +30db any frequency without distortion, which is way more than you'd ever EQ.
can someone explain to me why usb c shouldn't replace 3.5mm jack?
>>109301289>No audible distortion at normal listening volumes>Somehow still try to convince yourself that this is a metric that matters
>>109301305Walk with type c a couple of weeks in your pocket and you'll know.
>>109301305USB-C requires a lot of assumptions about the host and slave device, namely that both support analog audio out and don't require presenting as a USB sound card on the host device.
>>109301307Oh, so now distortion doesn't matter. I guess FR is all there is to IEMs after all.
>>109301308Real issue>>109301310Non-issue. Who cares. 99% of the shit just works
>>109301305>why usb c shouldn't replace 3.5mm jackaudio us fundamentaly analog and jack is nice because it can rotate, usb-c are asking to be snapped.
>>109301305usb-c emphasizes notes in the key of C and ruins total harmonic frequency dissonance response
>>109301336Rentfree
>>109301336lol, the techs are in the connection between the dongle and the phone, if it's not gold plated it'll sound like shit.
>MDR-7506s cable turned into oily greasy goop>literally no better headphones for the price have appeared since I bought them over 10 years agodisappointing, guess i'm cable modding
>>109301382>disappointing, guess i'm cable moddingthis is why i moved on from my akg.though i realised i prefer open back headphones because i like being able to talk with my wife without having to take it off.
why do people think HD650s sound bad?
>>109301387because people like hearing all octaves of their music and the hd650 misses 20-40hz
>>109301308>>109301316I don't have usb c so you need to explain it to me before I commit to a mistake
>>109301412>the hd650 misses 20-40hzit's low but can be EQ'd, normies don't EQ though.
Unfortunately the new handheld I bought don't work with wired iems. What is the latest and greatest budget chinkshit bluetooth one? Is it still Moondrop space travel or something? I have no clue about wireless since I usually don't use them.
>>109301153>the truth is i can get my cheapest pos to sound near indistinguishable(...)exact match in theoryhow do you know theyre actually identical rather than just indistinguishable to you?
>>109301289>sub 1% distortion at boomer listening levels>somehow thinks it matters at even lower dbHoly fuck thd retards are actually this braindead?
>>109301431>>109301412just EQed to account for this and its much better, i love these headphones tbph
>>109301456>how do you know theyre actually identical rather than just indistinguishable to you?because HRTf / ear canal they will not sound indistinguishable to others.but all that matters is the FR at the eardrum and it has a linear relationship with the FR at the source on minimum phase systems, which mean you can get the FR at the eardrum you want by EQ'ing the source.anyway, point being, for anyone there is an EQ profile that'd make a device sound like another.only exceptions would be with speakers in weird room because of phase cancellation sheenanigans, ie the sound can in theory perfectly cancel out at certain frequencies before it even gets to your ear, pretty rare but that can happen.
as you know senses vary a lot not just in resolution (some people have 20/10 vision and read stuff from twice the distance we can for example) but in what information becomes salient and how its organized. its not just a better to worse axis
>>109301214CSD plots tell a different story, even if you EQ 2 IEMS to the same target.
>>109301483only thing you have to think when EQing is to reduce the volume digitaly as to avoid clipping and then you'd increase it through analog or have a dac where it's more than loud enough < 100%.that's what the preamp button does on my EQ btw, it finds the spot at which the modified curve will colide with the unmodified and set the gain such that it just touch, this way it's as loud as it can be without the risk of clipping.
>>109301500>CSDclose to 0 meaningful differences between two pairs.and also, it's reflected in the FR.and lastly, minimum phase device, so it literaly doesn't matter.>>109301486no one can see an ant 100km away.there are limits, and humans struggle to ear 5% thd, let alone 0.0001% and whatnot.even 1% thd at 100db pos will have < 0.001% thd at reasonable listening volumes.
>>109301511>"FR=EVERYTHING"great way to lose momentum in what should otherwise be an exhilarating thread. your position is held solely by you and your Harman gods can't help you out, honestly. You're only fooling yourself
>>109301511i didnt mean just resolution of a known variable, i'm asking how you know your perception is even organizing every potentially relevant difference into something detectable to begin with. like i said people dont just hear the same thing but more or less of it
>>109301529>your position is held solely by youand literaly anyone that took the time to think about it and understand it, it's literaly just math.>and your Harman godsidgaf about harman, and i don't like the harman target either.>You're only fooling yourselfspeak for yourself, you think sound is made out of balls.>>109301540>how you know your perception is even organizing every potentially relevant difference into something detectable to begin withif i can't tell the difference it doesn't matter.but anyway, my opinion isn't just about personal experience, it comes from a rational understanding of what sound is and what FR represents.sound is just vibration of your eardrums, that vibration is literaly a sum of sine waves, if you FFT it, you get a FR graph, and if you do the inverse transform you get back the exact same sum of sine wave.the FR is just a literal mirror of the soudwave you can convert it back and forth and that's why EQ's work in the first place if that wasn't the case, an EQ with no bands would delete information, and they don't.EQ basicaly allow you to change the shape of the soundwave to whatever you want, and yes that include the shape of another soundwave.maybe it'd be more intuitive to you if you saw how the changing an EQ parameter literaly change the shape of the soundwave.like picrel is some violin string, it's "timbre" is literaly just the fact that it's not a pure sine wave.i can only recommend you look 3blue1brown's video on fourrier transforms maybe it'll enligthen you to the nature of sound and signal processing.
>None of the best offering TWS from Samsung or Apple are strictly 1DD>The best paid DSP engineers can't salvage them>Some rando on a bosnian coppersmithing forum claims he knows better The jokes really do write themselves sometimes
>>109301540>>109301581those are the two videos i was referring to, pretty cool channel too :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6sGWTCMz2khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spUNpyF58BY
>>109292148>all for sizes that do not fit the ear>3d printedwho fucking buys this???
>>109301581you're missing the forest for the trees, Max. the same lack of intellect behind your stupor is the same reason you're trying to be the opposite gender, and failing.we squared the circle centuries ago, try to keep up.
>>109287708>crinearive never owned any of these, are they as big a meme as most people say they are?
>>109301633don't take the bait, /iemg/.
>>109301612>The best paid DSP engineers can't salvage themthey can but things generally don't come with EQ built in, their standard tuning / FR is shit but that's the only issue.>Some rando on a bosnian coppersmithing forum claims he knows betteryou are the one to claim to know better when literaly every audio engineer will tell you that you are wrong.you can't even name a single thing that is not in the FR.and when people like you say "timbre" when it's literaly the one thing that maps the most cleanly to FR you just show the extent of your ignorance on the subject.
>>109301628>Maxthat's not my name>you're trying to be the opposite genderi despise troons and am glad to be a man.but nice ad hominem, i accept your concession i guess.>we squared the circle centuries agofun from someone that doesn't understand basic math which are the literal explanation of why FR is everything.
>>109301638are Tanchjim origins a meme too? cause all I have right now is the Bunny's from them and wanted another pair
>>109301633fine, just epz remakes tho>>109301657eehhh, we have a few hardcore fans, personally the sound is fine but the comfort is bad. it's built like a tank so that's nice. very little isolation
>>109301669best EPZ to get? cause I dont think I have any. currently driving FENGRU for daily computing and Kiwi ears for sleep
>>109301500CSDs literally say they're the same.
>>109301612>None of the best offering TWS from Samsung or Apple are strictly 1DDThey're 1DD with EQ yeah.
>>109301732>best EPZ to get?G10 with a custom faceplate.
>>109301761Also Apple is one of like 3 companies to directly tackle the FR at the eardrum problem. A complete mystery to autoeq users and passive IEM manufacturers, but well known to those who EQ by ear.
>>109301471>>109301314
>>109301500CSD plots do not tell you anything because you have no idea what they are showing>even if you EQ 2 IEMS to the same targetHow many times did I explain targets and EQing IEMs to them to you?
>>109301771where can I get the custom faceplate option? cause I dont see a listing on aliexpress
Why is ballzo melting down anyway? Talked to chatGPT too much and started believing he has a point again?
>>109301811Ask the seller.
>>109301619I don't see any balls sorry it's incomprehensible
>>109301806Yes, objectively distortion doesn't matter unless you're one of those retards equalizing a $5 iem to match subtonic storm or some shit. Aka. it doesnt matter if you're not retarded.
>>109301848what if $5 iem has low distortion
>>109301640>you can't even name a single thing that is not in the FRWhat about the music I'm playing in my head right now
>>109301820I'm not the only one you've been chit chatting with, fucktard
>>109301865Then it can't be EQ'd to storm(high distortion). You'll need other DSP.
>>1093018753/3 times "the other guy" appeared at exactly the same time as ballzo, nobody believes that shit.
>>109301878show storm thd chart?
>>109301884right. only one person disagrees with and bothers to entertain your confusion, and it's me. you wish
>>109301894Only one person in the world thinks music is made out of balls, correct.
>>109301868>not soundi don't care.and also it could technicaly be FR we just don't have the tech for it.
>>109301825the customer service is offline right now but in general is there a size limit and file type?
>>109301875I actually just woke up actually and saw you melting down for hours so I was just wondering....
>>109301886I made it up based on the driver config
We literally know different people are sensitive differently to distortion... if techs are distortion then it means the yare not something absolute but depends on person's sensitivities
>>109301902you have no idea how that 3 or so hour long video about mixing is literal gold to everybody remotely interested in the craft. you, however, funneled all your mental and emotional labor through Sean Olive and Floyd Toole papers, 98% not peer reviewed, I should add. And you're the only one in that particular corner of yours. what else you got?
>>109301894why would 2 persons in this world would learn about audio through balls?you can't explain that ballzo
>>109301928I spent 5 seconds to check my IEMs and music for balls and haven't found find any.
>>109301928>you have no idea how that 3 or so hour long video about mixing is literal gold to everybody remotely interested in the craft.well video itself is not much of a problem. you inability to comprehend it is tho
>>109301916how many times in a single thread can you get away with larping as a different anon without outing yourself instantly? lol damn
>>109301937there's no saving you at this point. indoctrination's got you by the balls.
>>109301938as someone else (the EQ guy) this is hilarious to see you think we are the same person lol.
>>109301938I dunno as I've never done it
>>109301948Ballsus will save us all.
>>109301948>indoctrinationthe fuck are you even talking aboutunmeasurable driver quality and techs are indoctrinationFR=everything is a simple proven fact...
>>109301581i agree on the theoretical endpoint, if pressure over time at both eardrums is literally identical then it is. i'm just questioning how close ordinary home eq gets to that endpoint, which makes the listeners own thresholds relevant. and anecdotally i find people who say this stuff to overcompress in phenomenological/subjective domains generally, meaning that "identical" may be reached sooner, which warrants caution from me. not meant as an attack on you, i think this same orientation and strong weighting for convergence generally (measurement, definitions, legibility) is a clear strength in many other fields. but thats why i'm wary
>>109301909The reason I brought that up is when playing guitar, it's common for beginners to hear what they think they are playing in their mind instead of hearing what is actually being played by their hand, masking their mistakes and dynamics. The phenomena of perceiving sound can be colored by what is in your mind. So if we reduce sound is vibration is FR, how we perceive the sound can be more than that.
>>109301957sus>>109301928you watched a video about mixing and did not even understand how panning works. for you it's a knob that moves balls. completely detached from reality. you believe the video supports your point of view. it doesn't.
>>109301977it's almost like there is a reason why all serious audio tests are double-blind
is this "hobby" a poorfag version of mechanical keyboard "hobby"? Both are funko pop collecting, but the keyboard fags are able to afford at least one good keyboardpeople are seriously discussing EQ-ing shit $30 chinese buds and throw graphs at each other wtf
>>109301971>"they're all the same speakers as long as you EQ them correctly">"a $4 speaker sounds the same as a $4K speaker, if you EQ it correctly"says nobody serious. can't have your cake and eat it too, you farce.
>>109301910No, just send them a jpg or a png, whatever aliexpress supports. It's not like the print is super high res.
>>109301991mech keebs are subjective and one person might like different thingsaudio is similar, but EQ allows the user to get whatever sound they want at no cost except time and maybe some learning
>>109301771G10, or rather its more canonical name, GTrans
>>109301997all serious speakers are eq'd, retard.
>>109301978wrong. you're struggling to get a dopamine infused argument just like you enjoy and you're grasping at straws for any interaction. even lying to get there, you don't give a shit. at this point all you do is lie. nobody's problem but yours.watch the video.
>>109302011always pure projection with you>>109238039>>109238084you don't understand and you lie. that's all you do.
this motherfucking knob is what buck broke the EQ tranny.
>>109301997Moved the goalpost from IEMs to speakers and still failed, amazing.
>>109301973>i'm just questioning how close ordinary home eq gets to that endpointDo you even have a good reason to question that?measurement shows that "ordinary home EQ" perfectly changes FR. Meaning what you see is what you get.EQ itself is not the problem. Problem is FR itself. For IEMs it's very hard to measure in ears. For headphones it's possible but you need to map your HRTF, calculate it out, and use proper in-ear mic setup for measurements. Which most people are not able to do.Practice shows that audiofools can't hear shit properly so for untrained listener "identical" can be reaches sooner than actual identical for sure
>>109302036The knob moves the balls bruh, that's all it does. Now hwat in the goddamn is volume.
>>109301991think about EQ as FREE keycaps
>>109302039when I said speakers I meant transducers.amazing.
>>109302053>Now what in the goddamn is volume.that would be the responsibility of the volume fader. lol
>>109302061name one $4k transducer
>>109302002>>109302056my point is any mechanical keyboard is going to be a "solid" experience at least, plus the generic faggoty opinion is that mechanical keyboards are just better than membrane keyboards, so "you are getting an upgrade with any mechanical keyboard" when you enter the gay hobbyyou are not getting an upgrade if you buy and EQ a shit chinese $30 IEMs compared to buying generic airpods or those sony buds wtf
>>109302068>he still doesn't get that the panning knob changes the volume
>>109301997it is can be applied to IEM exactly BECAUSE they are not actual speakers lol. besides when you are buying more expensive speakers that sound better it is shown on literal measurement. flatter response, lower distortion, better directivity etc. Not some kind f retarded unmeasurable thing
>>109302071$4K pos exist. find it yourself.you're lucky it's the end of the thread if this is how you're choosing to shit it up.
>>109302077$20 chinesium IEM quite literally BTFO airpods without EQ, this is coming from a owner of airpods, airpods pros, samsung galaxy buds, and sennheiser TWS
>>109302096Let me guess, by transducer you meant pos.
>>109302080you're lowkey overdosing on cortisol
>>109302077I mean in terms of sound EQd $30 IEM will be superior to airpods. But airpods have other advantages
>>109301997>>109302081dude the smaller iems have less distortion for the same reason it's harder to snap a short stick than a long stick, i wonder when these retards will understand that a short stick is harder to break and bend than a long one.
>>109302080Grotesque fucking "meme" bruh
>>109302118That's what happens when you pan to both sides.
>>109302116IEMS are sticks now? goddamn, color me surprised
don't ask him what the difference is between $4 and $4k transducers
>>109302130they are not, but its the same material physics.small things = harder to break and bend.that's why speakers have more distortion than 5$ pos iems.and that's one of the reasons why iems are much easier to EQ to whatever target and everything is literaly the FR.
>>109302143>>109302143>>109302143
>>109302130>>109302145technicaly speaking a iem is a string instrument lol.
