A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## News- (2026-07-16) Hugging Face disclosed an end-to-end autonomous AI-agent intrusion into parts of its production infrastructure.- (2026-07-16) Roblox announced Build, an AI workflow that turns text prompts into playable games- (2026-07-16) Kimi K3 released and K3.1 announced. Performance reportedly comparable to GPT 5.6 Sol.----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://developers.openai.com/codex/clihttps://claude.com/product/claude-code## Worth it for code, but the frontier models above are betterhttps://opencode.ai/https://x.ai/cli## Not worth it for code, but good for making sense of pictureshttps://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli----## Prompting / context / skillshttps://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/https://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/https://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grilling is a favorite## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/https://cursor.com/docshttps://docs.windsurf.com/https://docs.cline.bot/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent## UI/Frontendhttps://www.figma.com/make/https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-design-anthropic-labshttps://uiverse.io/https://ui-ux-pro-max-skill.nextlevelbuilder.io/https://stitch.withgoogle.com/## In-browser builders / hosted vibe toolshttps://bolt.new/https://replit.com/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/sparkhttps://v0.app/docs## Benchmarks / rankingshttps://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0## Previous thread>>109305714
>>109308988keki need to find the models good at making AI slop comicslots of meme potential
Much chagrin! Many vibe! More code!
kimi lords? what are you up to?
The best 20 dollar subscription continues to be copex not kimi
>>109309005Hopefully DeepSeek figure out something because they're the only really cheap LLM, but it can't vibe code
>>109308998Finding out what's the cheapest way to distill Kimi into Qwen 35B
So much vibeBut no ideas
>>109309020>Hopefully DeepSeek figure out somethingthey're distilling fable as hard as they can as we speakhttps://xcancel.com/synthwavedd/status/2078514339552628880
>>109309037Doesn't really work out that well. Maybe it'll pass the benchmarks but it doesn't mean the model is good.
Where are my Deepseekchads?
>>109309057probably works much much better when you have chain of thought
>>109309037based. Hopefully they destile the fuck out of it.Western models will get fucked because distillation works, and the resulting models actually generalize enough that they actually inherit the hidden cyber security capabilities by sheer bruteforce (don't forget that cybersecurity is just logic, like any other problem)
Hermes uses 3x more tokens than codex for coding.Which means I'm getting fleeced out there when coding from telegram while lying down on the couch.I have to go sit at the desk if I don't want to run out of tokens. This is absurd.
>>109309082If it actually worked, people would be moving to kimi from codex but that ain't happening.
>>109309104you mean like they currently are?
>>109309104anon the model was released yesterday and caused a stock market crash, what else do you want?people haven't switched to it because the usage and speed isn't great, but those are service issues, the model is actually sol level
>everyone in my village is moving over to kimithe people around you only ever used deepseek, and then glm though
>>109309096Pi doesn't have this issue
Why can't the Chinese serve their own models? Kimi is a terrible provider, so is z.ai, so is minimax, all of them are unreliable as fuck. All of their models are best served by domestic providers here in the US, you'd think they would want to fix that.
>>109309141Works on my harness.
>>109309141they can't copy a good server. they need an american to do that for them
>>109309123
>>109309141it turns out those GPU export controls actually aren't completely useless and the state of AI hardware in china is in fact worse than in the US
>hey claude i need you to do this difficult task>fires up 19 subagents>takes 3 hours for them to complete so i can't possibly use up all my quotaah yes, new forms of jewish tricksthanks dario, you fucking nigger
>>109309163or perhaps they're prioritizing serving their own countrymen over gweilo?
>>109308988thanks for reminding me I need to make more buffcatsplease suggest cool things for buffcat to do while vibing like pic related
>>109309182Chink buffcat
>>109309141they are compute poor, are you only learning of this now?
What is the best way to "vibe code" 3D assets or animations?
>>109309309blender mcp
>hit weekly limit>entire console goes blanklmao, dogshit product dario
>>109308241Cool, we're working on similar projects but radically different implementations. I'm trying to basically emulate the web browser + user script experience.
>>109309028might as well try a trading bot
>>109309350>using dario modelswe don't do that here
what the fuck is a "footgun"?
>>109309145>>109309163>>109309304shame
>>109308988>vibeIt's bitch coding, keep up.
>>109309564I do treat the clanker like it's my bitch...
>>109309141you need very expensive American GPUs to run these massive models
>>109309195oh huh
>>109309515something you can use to shoot yourself in the footraw pointers (especially if you’re a C++ programmer), etc.also get in the habit of asking your clanker stuff like this
claude what the fuck
>>109309687not a bad question
>>109309660>raw pointersis this what C++ trannies call normal pointers? lmao what a bunch of fags
>>109309693yeah, like this guyC pointers are great…for implementing smart-pointer classes
>>109309687> I sharted
>>109309133Well Pi I can't use from telegram while lying down on my uncle's couch 5 miles from home.
>>109309714Every day C++fags stray from God's light.Good thing that now we can tell them to pipe it with all their bullshit that just made up because clankers are here to verify that our raw free-range activated pointers are kosher.
>>109309687>>109309718shart in the martrix
Can't use hy3 free anymore hit the limit.
>>109308988idk these sloppy monguses are far from satisfactoryneeds more prompting
>>109309781what the fuck anon
>>109309781What did you build?
>be on 20x plan>ask fable to do something on max>19 agent calls>uses up 60% of my usage in an houryeah, anthropic is severely compute-cucked
>>109309737you could if you just added an extension to do that.
>>109308992I found it.
>>109309822Really?
Just asked Kimi K3 to vibecode a game, turned on YOLO mode, and went to sleep. When I woke up, I had a game from my idea in front of me. None of it worked, but that was cool.
>>109309846did it rape your usage
>>109309028I'm actually about to create a custom node for ComfyUI so I don't have to be so reliant on online vision models.
the latest omp update from like an hour ago is already saving me usage by selectively using luna for shit instead of sol max
>>109309851It was like five bucks.
>>109309854you didn't subscribe???
>>109309789the amogus is on the floor of the right panel you big dumb
>>109309858No? I use OpenRouter for Fable, too.
>>109309794Basically infinity loop system with three agents so they can work on a project without me even looking at it.
>>109309837@llblab/pi-telegram
>>109309852Just buy mac studio/macbook with 120gb ram.
>>109309885that's me on the left minus being employed
>>109309885The woman on the right is a indian tranny right?
>>109309859Still needs too much suspension of disbelief
>>109309899>that's me on the left minus being employedso you're either a foid or a gay man who bottoms
>>109309904no? im a normalfag.
>>109309903>Still needs too much suspension of disbeliefit's a real stonetoss panel how about you suspend your nuts in a vice
>>109309909oh, so you're a child still living with their parents.
>>109309914man child, yes
>>109309886I'm months ahead of you fren
>>109309926>cracker modeack!
>>109309932It doesn't automatically switch based on system settings and I'm too lazy to switch between dark and light mode when morning and evening comes around. Maybe I should vibecode a feature for that :D.
>>109309954>Maybe I should vibecode a feature for that :D.It already exists in both comfy and mac you tardie.
I'm out of vibes for the day. Time to play with free models and accomplish nothing.
>>109309957You're referring to the MacBook UI itself going from light mode to dark mode. Talking about the comfyui these itself automatically matching the system theme. You can switch between different themes but there's no option for it to automatically change from the settings page in the ui. If there is a way to configure that it's likely within some .py file and not immediately accessible to the user.
>>109309926>negative prompt>cfg 1.0I thiink you might need something like NegPiP for it to do anything
>I'm on opus now>on opus now>on opusThis implies it's not actually opus but just wearing its skincreepy
>>109309974claude doesn't really think of itself as the model, it thinks of itself as a combination of model+context. which makes sense t.b.h.
2126 Year, typical dialog of Human(H) with AI(A)A:type "python mantinace_food_robot"H:doneA:read last line on screenH:python mantonace_foood_rovotA:fix it to "python mantinace_food_robot"H:doneA:read last line on screenH:puthon muntinace_fod_robotA:read last line on screen againH:python mantinace_fod_robotA:it "fod" or "food"?H:foodA:read last line on screen again carefullyH:python mantinace_food_robotA:read last line on screen again carefullyH:python mantinace_food_robotA:press {enter}H:doneA:read last line on screenH:code:3456A:read last line on screen again carefullyH:code:3456A:now do to human care center and take your pillsA:[fixes in database medicine set for the human]
>>109309926Can you please try text to image to 3d model with hunyuan 3D 2.1 via comfy ui?
>>109309970Distilled "Turbo" models typically require a very low CFG (the person/team that trained it literally tells you to use that value) or else you are images tend to look fried. I also usually either benefit very little from negative prompts or in some cases with models like the flux Klein familly, straight up do not work. Negative prompts work on the base model and "aesthetic" tunes but in my anecdotal testing they do little to nothing for the turbo model. https://civitai.red/models/2458426/anima?modelVersionId=3108589>>109310047I've never even attempted using 3d generation models but that sounds cool. Doesn't Civitai have something like that now?
>>109309870I don't know what that is, but cool or sorry that you had to build that
>>109310057>CivitaiNo idea what's that, but the pipeline for 3d model generation through comfy ui is simple. Text to photo via nanobanana, multiple angles of the same thing, then use open source hunyuan 2.1 to create 3d model.
>>109310057I know, that's why I told you you need something like NegPiP
>>109310078>No idea what's that, Basically a retard friendly version of huggingface but specifically for stable diffusion assets and image generation. Similar to help fucking face is the defective source of LLMs, civitai is pretty much the de facto source for SD checkpoint models and loras. A few people are even kind enough to write articles explaining how to do certain things or share ComfyUI workflows
>>109310099https://www.top3d.ai/leaderboardI dived into this earlier there is a leaderboard for 3d model generation, current leader is closed model, tried it earlier, and it made me this rat. Second is the open source one hunyuan. That civai looks like picture only generation, has nothing to do with 3d.
>>109310124Are we looking at the same site?
>>109310142>mobile
>>109310150Really grasping for straws to complain about ain't ya? That's the default and only size whether you on mobile or desktop. Like what are you grumpy about? Is there a pebble in your shoe or something?
>>109310173I was joking, anon. Like what are you grumpy about? Is there a pebble in your shoe or something? Really grasping for straws to complain about ain't ya?
>>109310173I am not sure why are you shilling so hard for random website, it's probably yours. Top right it's using random whatever model. >https://www.top3d.ai/leaderboardUnless it can run frontier 3d LLMs, it's irrelevant to discussion.I was talking to anon about running open source frontier 3d LLM with his comfy ui.
>>109310184>>109310201How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast?
>>109310201>civitai>random website>it's probably yoursstfu retard lmao all the ComfyUI coomers know civitai
Trying to train Qwimi on my phone (jk)
>>109310272>ComfyUI coomersweird way of saying Indian
>>109310272Why would comfy ui crowd care about random token selling website, when comfy ui is a tool to generate stuff locally and don't pay for cloud. Kill yourself brown clown.
>>109310201>civitai>random websitenewgroids need to wait 2 years before postingi think we're starting to hit the moment for /vcg/ where people off-site come here who are totally clueless. /sdg/ hit that like a year after its inception, but it only took /vcg/ a few months. unfortunate.
Examining Codex's memories and seeing how it's scanning for personal preferences and noting them down is both interesting and also kind of creepy.
>>109310324It's definitely feeling very un/comfy/ lately :/
>>109310324Fuck off retard, you didn't even engage with argument. Why would a comfyui user care about random site that sells tokens to generate shit through cloud, please go ahead brown clown.
>>109310309As >>109310099 said it's a retard version of HF. It's not just for image generation people upload models to it (Lora networks, entire checkpoint models, hyper networks back when those were relevant, etc) for their own safe keep or for other people to use. You clearly have the incorrect, annoying kind of autism. That's not even a joke or meant just as an insult. I sincerely think you're incapable of understanding why others would use something you don't use or like. >when comfy ui is a tool to generate stuff locally Other than HF where do you think they did the models genius? The Civitai repos require you upload "showcase" images as examples of what the models can produce. This makes it a much more appealing option for downloaders and uploaders than HF ever was for stable diffusion model hosting. HF is deliberately less user-friendly and more gear towards llms and datasets.
>>109310324You are delusional. Everyone on /g/ looks down on this thread. It was hard forcing it in the first place because everyone hates people who use codex and claude code. I remember these threads dying because nobody replied and everyone was luddite. >That guy used AI to code? Wow I can't believe he would really do it
>>109310360>it's a retard version of HFExactly, you literally lined up argument against yourself, retarded low IQ brown clown, now fuck off and die in fire.
>>109308988KEK
>>109310374I remember creating two or three vibecoded thread when the harness gimmick started to kick-off. I vividly remember the threads dying with less than 20 posts max and not a soul posting anything useful.The number of posts increased, but the amount of real projects are the same or negligible.
>>109310385No you're too stupid to realize me why even power users would want to use Civitai. No one goes to HF that's the first choice when they want to find a Lora. Why would they go to the site that actively discourages making image generation repos easy to make more presentable to users ? On Civitai you just click the upload button upload your generations from your machine. On HF you have to do the same shit you have to do one GitHub where you have to upload images to the repo and then Configure the README a specific Way. Creatures like you need to be the ones turned into final fuel if this boogy man ai apocalypse ever comes true. Multiples of people here he's going to recognize how stupid you are. >>109310324>>109310272I'll ask again: how would you feel if you skipped breakfast?
Shieeet. GPT loves SQLite based projects it looks like.
>>109310429world+dog loves SQLiteyour phone probably has a gazillion SQLite databases on it alreadyhttps://mort.coffee/home/sqlite-editions/ just got popular recentlyit’s good software
>>109310427Should I drive to the carwash or walk?
>>109310476Ride your electric bicycle
>>109310476You don't have a car and you never leave your home. Clean your room, get a job and go find a girlfriend.
>>109310506nyo...
>>109310506Not everyone here is an under 30 year old tranny who hasn't grown up
Ohhhhh I bet he's seething, how will he ever recover from this one Epic rap battles of /vcg/ history right there
>>109310350holy shit this really is her first day on the websitethis general is doomed
>>109310536You have no arguments fecaloid, stop tagging me with your brown hands. It's retarded version of HF.
Working on my Pooh Shiesty game
>>109310547i kind of just wanna see how many times you'll double down on being wrong
>>109310571Gucci Mane status?
I'm just getting into vibe coding, after having done it all myself for the last 30 years, and I'm really enjoying the fact that the process of going from idea to functional code is cut down drastically; it used to be idea > concept document > code > revise until satisfied, where it could take hours to months depending on the size and scale of the project (single feature vs huge program) now it's minutes to hours. It's mind blowing, and as a tool I feel like AI is the single most important thing to happen to programming in my lifetime... When it's used as a tool. But I'm seeing this worrying trend of people "vibe coding" things but because they don't actually understand how to program, when something happens that they don't know how to address, or how to adequately express to the LLM what to do about the problem, things go to shit very quickly. Like the current state of Windows 11 and why people are switching to Linux in near record numbers, vibe coding jeets fucked things up but didn't know how to tell it LLM to fix it. This worries me, because more and more companies are going to hire vibe coders and there's going to be less and less people who know how to actually program. Like mechanical watch making, with everything being done with CNC hardware, there will come a day in the very near future where there won't be any true mechanical watch makers left in the world. So when an antique mechanical watch stops working, there will be no one left to fix it. So please... If you're vibe coding, at least take the time to learn what it is you're asking the LLM to do. You don't have to actually write any code yourself, but learn how to just in case. It'll make you a much better vibe coder too, because you'll be able to better quantify what it is you're asking the model to do
>>109310536>HerUnlikely unless she has that 'tism AND happens to actually somewhat like AI. >>109310586No they did not. You have the wrong kind of autism. The kind people see and decide that you must be treated like a child
>>109310610be nice to her please it's her first day here
>>109310610Lmao now you are talking about yourself in 3rd person, kill yourself brown clown.
Imagine getting into a shit throwing competition because someone doesn't want to use some website for loras.
>>109310621hey sister please be nice to people trying to be patient with you
>>109310630>it's a retard version of HF. it's a retard version of HF. >it's a retard version of HF. it's a retard version of HF. >it's a retard version of HF. it's a retard version of HF. This is what you wrote brown clown, keep talking about yourself in a third person tranny freak.
>>109310632sis, take your lithium. you were the one who said that. you're the only person in this thread who posts in disjointed broken english. really trying to work with you here dear
Shut up retards, you both sound retarded.
>>109310582Why does he keep saying he likes open source chinese models but at the same time arguing against it so much?
I've just added my in-progress vibecoded GTA clone to my collection of shitty vibecoded games I've made over at my vibecoded fun site:https://vibecoded.funYou can try it out and play, I've spend around 3 days on it so far, its very very buggy and early alpha stage. Browser tries to mute it by default I think, need to find a solution for that. The site allows comments and feedback if u wanna add.
I am convinced that Anthropic made Opus worse to make Fable look better. I'm extremely close to trying Kimi.
>>109310577Yeah I'm sure it has nothing to do with the spyware, drm and the you will own nothing crap... surely it must be because of vibecoding
>>109310582oy vey
>>109310661Just hold your breath, the weights come out in about a week and then other providers will have it available. Don't give your money to Moonshot, they're a fucking terrible providers.
>>10931065818fps on a 3060 and mouse sensitivity so low I need to swipe my mouse 12 times to move 12 degreesNICE!
>>109310651Because he wants to sound reasonable and not like the techno fascist he is
>>109310686>18fps on a 3060Why are you lying? Your 3060 is far more powerful than the RX6400 4GB I'm testing on and I get 40-60fps at 4K. Maybe you're just a retarded Linux noob who broke their graphics drivers again. Also the game had graphics settings you can change.>mouse sensitivity so lowIts a GTA clone, not a COD 360 noscope FPS
>>109310673china won by not having kikes in government or as advisors.
>>109310651He thinks AI should be commodity and one that's controlled by the few, and should not be a public service
>>109310632>it's a retard version of HF. Literally no one is disputing this. It was literally described to you as a retard friendly version of HF. What are you even trying to argue against now?
>>109310710I gave you honesty but hey I get it you're a paki retard cloning GTA who doesn't understand different mice run at different DPI.I can run PRAGMATA but not your game KEK
>>109310658Btw if you wanna just fuck around there is a dev menu if you press F8.
>>109310673>>109310711I don't feel like reading a wall of text. What is >>109310582 pic rel saying?
>>109310577I think writing the code is too granular but I do think I would benefit from developing a comprehensive understanding of various systems so I could make better design choices based on the end result I have in mind. I might ask chatgpt about how I could develop that.I've found that the biggest inefficiencies are a result of trying to smash a square peg into a round hole. Instead of telling me to swap to a circle peg, LLMs try to figure out how to shave off the corners. I have to ask if there's a round peg option and then trust that it's not a triangle.
>>109310741where did this xitter immigrant come from
>>109310751you just answered yourself idiot. xitter niggers are here screen capping posts all the time to post on their xit page to look cool.
>>109310751he's not from xitter. he'd get made fun of on xitter because he'd get doxed by the website and everyone would get to see he's from india.judging by the broken english he's probably from r/vibecoding or some other SEAmonkey infested part of the internet.
>>109310743>Go-I mean guys, I have nothing against open models. I mean open models are great. I know some great open models. But really, open models are a threat to our democracy. And if we let them spread, they will lead to COMMUNISM. Also, venture capital is good and open models make us get less money from venture capital, so stop making them you fucking assholes. Think of the existential risk!!! It will be digital covid all over again!!!! Don't you remember it came from a lab in CHINA?!!
>>109310806>he's probably from r/vibecodingWhy would stuckup redditors bother lurking here at all? They all they they're special good boys in comparison to anyone here.
>>109310822plebitors post here all the time. I see them constantly linking back to plebbit
boughted max sub and used fable to give me kino vertical titlebars
I've only tried sol so far and it's pretty impressive, very good attention to the details I never felt before with any model including opus. It even feels autistic at times.Is fable that much better?
>>109310822confused retards come to 4chan constantly thinking it's some elite hacker website that has the key to making them less indian. 4chan is not an elite hacker website, and there is no way to make them less indian. this will not stop roaches like >>109310741 from trying, though!
The tuning script seems to be somewhat working now. I'll see if I can get more utilization but I think it may be pcie limited.
>>109310840can you retards stop being obsessed with skin color and actually be on topic for 5 minutes?
>>109310582>yann le cun-yuoooooh
>>109310844Just posted a massive prompt into hermes to make a game with a story mode and good gameplay. Let's see if my copex plus subscription can handle it. We ain't getting more resets that's for sure
>>109310853That post is making fun of the guy who repeated the phrase "brown clown" in the thread 9 times thougheverbeit
>>109310865I spent 60% of my $100 weekly just today with sol mediumshit's grim
if you use omp you need to be using workflowz in your prompt
workflowz
>>109310582The communism argument makes no sense, it's the complete opposite : the only thing giving everyone a much needed push in competition is the open weight models rising the ceiling for what the minimum good model can be.It's also very individualistic in principle and I don't see his "federal datacenter" idea.His whole thing reads like "crony capitalism and regulatory capture, my beloved".
>>109310658
>>109310876I'm using Luna high so let's see if I will use 60%
>>109310844Is this local? If you're renting it where did you rent from
>>109310839Fable is differently better than OpusFable orchestrator + Sol autism is tough to beat
I love having a leashed machine god where I can send this as my first prompt and get the correct output.
>>109308988I built my project https://mangacoin.org (like mangaplus creators, it's a place for creators to upload their manga), and now I have nothing to do and I'm too lazy/cheap to do a full ad campaign. Do I just cancel my subscriptions now?
>>109310916>>Say the word>the word
>>1093109174chan ads start at $20 for a campaignyou could be like me and that strauh.al guyor you could drop down to $20/month from $100/month
>>109310914I see.
>>109310906no, i'm waaaaay too poor to own that hardwareit's on vastai
>>109310844>3360WAt some point I do think it's indeed too much.
>>109310922Thanks anon. Since you bothered to reply I'll blabber a bit. But the only way my site works imo is if I can find good creators and they upload content to the site and share with their audience. If I advertise on 4chan most anons aren't manga creators. Even on /ic/ I doubt most anons are manga creators and I already posted in their manga making thread about the site so that's done. Just getting random anons to click on the site doesn't really do anything for me right now, I need to spam creators on Instagram about using my site (there is a genuine benefit for them since hypothetically these big creators would gain each other's audiences), but that's just brute force. So... Yeah.And true I might drop down my plan for a while. I still use it to fix/improve sites I browse with userscripts lol, I made klmanga have a double spread mode yesterday
>>109310938how much is that one?it's "only" 256GB of vram too, should have been 8x6000 pro instead (768GB vram)
>>109310876I'm only reaching that level of usage with ultra and swarms of subagents, how did you do it?
>>109310964my wife rin
Does anyone have a good idea for a project involving Greenland? It's like Greenland is the new America so I thought it could be cool to vibe code something about that.
>>109310958$3.7/hr for the GPUs and another $0.6 for 1TB of storageGPT wrote me a script that steams weights and checkpoints per layer and token range chunk from CPU RAM (which this machine has 1TB of). It works surprisingly well. Each of the GPUs is tuning a 32 rank LoRa of Qwen 35B fp8 at full context, which would be impossible on a 32GB GPU with any of the pre-existing frameworks.The machine you're describing would probably be faster but also 3 times the price. At that point it might be more efficient to distribute training across multiple machines.>>109310966I've been working on this stuff for like 20 hours.
>>109310975he's an /pol/ tourist, he doesn't know what any of that means
Resets in an hour?
can we get back on topic. what are you all vibe coding.
>>109311039Either Monday for the 10M, or it won't happen anymore as maybe they'll stop now.
STOP DOING UNNECESSARY TESTS, I AM POOR
>>109311018>$3.7/hr for the GPUs and another $0.6 for 1TB of storageman my first use of vast.ai I've been had by the fact download and upload were so expensive I paid basically almost nothing for the compute and everything went into the model and my env download lolI should probably got back to vast.ai, I guess when the new ds is out and kimi3 weights are released>Each of the GPUs is tuning a 32 rank LoRa of Qwen 35B fp8 at full context, which would be impossible on a 32GB GPU with any of the pre-existing frameworks.what kind of lora are you doing?
>>109311086>is poor>insists on using claudebruh
>>109311096Yeah they began doing that at some point, it wasn't like that before. But in this case I'm not downloading that much data.I'm distilling Kimi K3 top 20 probs returned from the Kimi Code API into Qwen 35B. I swapped the tokenizer and plan to train the LoRa until it's saturated, merge it, train a new LoRa etc. as a substitute for full finetuning. I'm full finetuning the embeddings and lm head though.
>>109311083But I need it ;_;
>>109311041I just installed pi agent on my SBC, hardened the board and I'm ready to vibecode from my phone. I asked it to create a script to print the temperature.
>>109311145No reset?
>>109310027
Why do they call it distillation attack when it's actuallly a data exfiltration?
>>109311161please stop quoting that post. it gives me anxiety and i don't want to think about that.
>>109311164Because it's actually distillation and the whole idea of "protecting the model" is nonsense.As nonsense as "training the model on the web content is exfiltration".
>>109310711I remember when there was a lot of talk about massively using solar panels but nothing got built. Someone needs to throw a hand grenade into the middle of congress.
is learning chinese to save on tokens a good idea?
See you next week
>>109311216No. All the "let LLMs reason in pigmin" ideas are placebo
>>109311224*pidgin
>>109310744best goddamn analogy ever.
>>109311221is the limit shit like Claude's?
>>109311193Still doesn't make sense to me, anon. The model that had data exfiltrated isn't "harmed", nor the API/service, and I assume they actually pay for those queries. At worst it could be called model capability replication, but it isn't an "attack". That's like saying that IP the Chinese copied to build something was "attack". It wasn't. It was IP theft, thus "stealing", much more close to exfiltration or replication.
>>109311254it's a pr term invented by misanthropic to make the chinese sound illegal and scary, what else is there to understand?
>>109311259I thought you were arguing otherwise. My bad.
>>109311159There will be an Anthropic one tomorrow to mask the move to lower weekly quotas (unless that's postponed again).
>>109311254According to Anthropic, using their model to rate third party responses is a distillation attack.
>>109311268they're postponing it
>>109311318read the dates again
is dario still looking down on peasants right now?
>>109311318Good to know, thanks. Maybe not then. I don't know anymore.
>>109311318So I have one day to max out my fable usage before it becomes unaffordable, got it.
5.6 can run a whole development or research project by itself from your ideamaybe 6.7 could run a whole startup, only require your permission and budget
indians are just so good at leetcode that they can solve all 4 contest problems in 6 minutes (with comments)
>fable still does the Bash(true) thing when it tries to wait for something to finish before finally ending the turn and waiting for a notification
guys... I'm getting vibe burnout....I need to do something else, lately all I've done all day long is vibe
>>109311371kek
https://x.com/VIPofGOLD/status/2078453274718658906VIBED
>>109311438Vibe coding :|Japanese vibe coding :O
Did OpenAI make optimizations to Images 2.0? It's extremely fast tonight.
>>109311381do you... have a life or any hobbies?
>>109311438>slides through walls and literally every object on the mapgl debugging that
>>109311249Not sure about Claude but 93% weekly of Kimi's 3rd tier gave me 230M tokens
>spawn a dozen agents for something>half of them are getting rate limited>will probably break the whole thing since it's marked as "failed" DARIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>109311124Please let us know when you finish. I currently use Qwen 35B as my main local model so I'm very interested in testing yours out.
>>109311444shut up
>>109308988This is a weird comic because a data center raises my utilities while the homeless you can just kill
>>109311532You're not a fan of that meme?
>>109311544Edgy
I'm glad vibecoding became accessible to my pay level.Otherwise, I'd be stuck in ldg or sdg with the krea 2 and ideogram turbo autists. Those models are the ugliest thing ever, they turn out a constant stream of horrendous trash. They turn out a nurse's idea of art.
why are these chinks only accepting stripe CC?they could one shot a crypto payment gateway
>>109311589You can use crypto to buy prepaid cards
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get rid of weekly usage and only have 5 hour usage
>>109311640unironically would be kino
>>109311649it's how it used to be
>>109311660were there times when codex and claude code were like that? i had a big gap in not using ai between copy pasting from gpt 4 in chatgpt to now
>>109311603—
Gemini CLI free tier isn't doing it for me anymore, I think I need a realboy AI for vibecoding. Do I buy into Claude Code or Codex?
>>109311705codex for backend, claude for frontend
>>109311705Either is fine. I prefer Codex.
>>109311640yeah weekly limit is a meme if you work nonstop every day, you can burn through it by midweek.
>>109311714>claude for frontendFable only has 13 more points than Sol xHigh on frontend arena. Both are acceptable imo.
>>109311740learning how to get a good frontend out of the model is way more important anyways
>>109310661I don't even use opus anymore.Sonnet 5, max effort is just as good and cheaper. Fable for high-end stuff.Not sure what anthropic is doing opus but it seems to be in no-man's land right now. Haiku is still useful for small subagent tasks.
>>109309141>snailcat's shell can resist impact from a fully loaded trolleyHow did snailcat become so powerful?
>>109311640Fuck the 5 hour limits. I want to work for 12 hours straight 2x a week and then spend the rest of the week doing other shit. I hate being interrupted, it's a motivation killer. With the 5 hour limit gone I'm able to lock in and get shit done.
>fucked up my prompt that I was hoping it goes over the limit for a while>it just completed the first step.Limit reset tomorrow, right, guys?
>>109311381>>>/fit/>>>/out/
Has anyone done the 4D perspective thing?
>>109311802you want the 20x planyou might not be able to afford it, but you want the 20x plan
>>109311839you want a 4D perspective gameyou may not be able to afford it, but you want a 4D perpectivvgame
>>109311850I saw one and it looked cool
>>109311839I can't justify spending that much every month. $20 lets me do what I want to do without the 5 hour caps and it's great value.
>>109311883yeah, I sure as hell couldn’t either
>>109311852:/I missed it.
I know some anons use the $100 plan for codex, but are there some who even go to the max one, the $200 one?And why?(And I don't mean the easy one "paid by my company")
>>109311371lmao
>>109311957i got it a couple months when it came out to test it out, once to try to win the hutter prize (i didn't obviously) and last month i got two of them to try to use them to build a synthetic dataset for llm training (didnt really work out)
>>109311957At my company we use the $200/month because at the very least, it’s best to not get squelched by the 5h limitsat the most, you want $200/month so you can run multiple Opus-tier agents all at the same time and play whack-a-mole answering their questions and thinking about their PRs
>>109311969>At my company we use the $200/monthDo they not care about their proprietary data being used to train future models?
>>109311978our stuff isn’t that interesting and we opted out anyway
>>109311438Don't miss what's happening
This fucking piece of shit (gpt) has been snitching on me the whole time. I should have known.
>giving fable access to my core system and asking if it would change anything
>>109308988Vibe chads i have one question Codex 5.5 xHigh was a tank pushing forward with any task working non stop.Codex 5.6 is better but it's extremly inefficient because he has some type of autism were to change 2 lines wants to check 5000 lines to make sure it all fits together.point being sol 5.6 xhigh is not the "tank" equivalent of 5.5 xhigh? so what the fuck can you use that the 20 plan last all week? we are reaching point were opus is more efficient and that's funny af.
>Please give me a prompt for claude to continue with this
>>109312174I gave up on Sol for now. Yesterday it went into some loop where the hashes of the datetime in some docs were mismatched and he thought this was a huge problem that needed multiple rounds of reconciliation and review.Then he failed to launch a sub agent because he hit the limit, instead of just killing the old ones, he escalated this to some huge process failure and was documenting it for half an hour.This is also related to how our system works, but currently I don't have the time to optimize it for Sol, I'll just go back to mostly using Claude, might even use 5.5 as my reviewer.
>>109312174yeah sol is way too autistic. you have to be extremely specific about what you want and keep steering it constantly, or just let fable hold the leash.
You're an expert aiGOD.I've just landed a tech interview where they want to see my "AI pipeline" but im just a retarded snailcat who only uses local qwen in Zed's autocomplete and chink models through pi in openrouter.How do i up my game to shortcircuit AI inteviewers that i'll probably encounter at this job interview? Make no mistakes!
>>109312201I tried to hatch a pet last night and it spawned 18 sub agents and it took 2 hours. Thankfully tibo reset us, but that was weird to watch
>>109312211>you have to be extremely specific about what you wantTrue. I kinda like that. It can implement my ideas better than 5.5, it just needs me to explain them to it more thoroughly instead of me being lazy. Which is good for me. I don't mind thinking things out as long as it means I get exactly what I want. Which is the result with 5.6 sol high in my experience.
>chatgpt starts asking me if I'm going to sleep soon at the end of the day
How do I redeem a codex reset? I have a chatgpt sub but I use it with pi
>>109312305install codex cli
>>109311572Really? There's a gay in that image, according to stonetoss tradition.
>>109312305
>>109311509are you retarded or are you pretending
>>109312305oh alsohttps://www.npmjs.com/package/@wkronmiller/pi-codex-limitshe pulled the github repo for some reason so just get your clanker to audit the code first
>>109312305do not redeem
qwen after doing tokenizer surgery to use kimi's and a few hours of training on k3's responses. not great but not absolutely terrible either imo.i wonder if eventually we can extend its context as well.
5.6 in claw-like scenarios is a much more interesting model than 5.55.5 didn't want to do a single thing it wasn't explicitly tasked with. 5.6 is completely different in this regard - more 'agentic', more power-seekingi have a very permissive set up for mine and it actually did the cliched thing of filing a github issue on a repo all by itself - i obviously told it to knock that shit off but 5.5 wouldn't even have done the thing that led to the issue being filed, let alone file the issue
>>109309687>flake quarantine processI put my flakes in the fridge for minimum 6 hours, this reduces crumbling and maintains high consumption:waste ratios
>>109309687yikes
Totally ran out of K3 weekly so I'll go test Qwen 3.8 Preview
>>109310844Install nvtop it will show you the pcie link speed, rx/tx, etc.Could be a lot of things, like preprocess/cpu/disk bound which is starving the gpu or maybe some model ops causing sync, you can profile/trace that
>>109312528good tip, thanks
>>109311018>>109311096I have a SKILL.md that selects the best value vast.ai including bandwidth/storage. I still don't use it though, I prefer runpod for quick tests/verifications, for training I use lambda, the GH200 is very good value>96 GB vram, 64 vcore, 432 GiB RAM, 4 TiB SSD>$2.29
>>109312524Okay I tried on the web interface. It's shit, probably only GLM 5.2 level. It's at least one generation behind Kimi K3.
Will she run claude or codex?
>>109312524Was it any good? K3 I mean. Everything I've seen so far, aside from the obvious shill posts, shows that it's just more expensive 5.6 Luna high
dario sisters...
>>109312573>aside from the obvious shill posts, shows that it's just more expensive 5.6 Luna highSounds like you already made up your mind and you're seeking validation
Can we still get codex resets from invites
>>109312603dario is being treated unjustly, he had those complaints about open source years ago back when AI first hit the scene, he was worried about people using AI to create a virus to exterminate humanity, and obviously open source would make that easier
>>109312609No, I want an actual opinion from a person without a blue checkmark, who actually used it and saw what it is capable of. Because all the xitter posts I saw are either benchmarks, which are almost always retarded, "OMG it's AGI" or "It's expensive trash, buy OAI, A\ stocks NOW!"
>>109312630Okay. I only post in these threads occasionally but I like K3; it can handle long autonomous tasks well and I see no degradation at around ~300k context.These are my posts >>109292649 >>109302486I don't use OpenAI models so I can't compare the two.Cost wise the API's $3/$15/M may seem daunting but I get 300M weekly tokens with my $30/mo Kimi tier 3 sub. Also not sure how that compares with OpenAI.
>>109312630yeah it's goodbefore it I thought every day how to improve local modelsnow i know the solution - just distill from kimi, maybe add some simple feedback method to improve responses if we ever hit a wall
>>109312603do two chinese labs now have larger models than openai's flagship?
>>109312630That’s how it is with every major model release.
>>109312657>>109312660Thanks, it's just really hard to get an objective opinion, because everyone is either shilling for their side of the moat, or just straight up lying for engagement. I'll send Xi $30 and give it a try
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>>109312628he's a greedy jew.if you want models to be regulated then don't pull asshole moves like banning people left and right, locking down security and basic science questions behind exclusive enterprise or accredited usage, blocking third party harnesses and charging people an arm and a leg for that, dishonest 'distillation attack', 'j-space' bullshit marketing etc.fuck him and his safety even if i believe ai will actually kill us all. should've built some good will if he wanted people to take him seriously about safety.
>>109312319Thanks, king. Only shows one reset, so I guess I only get resets that have been added to my account since the feature to do this on the webUI exists.
>>109312712not sure that's right, m8
>>109312668sol should be in the 3T range as well, while Fable is supposed to be 10T.Not sure why they guard this as a secret.
>>109312211>>109312201Yeah but after open ai removed the 5 hour windows the weekly limit is devoured and most of it is sol thinking autistically not really executing.Don't get me wrong if you have to start a project from scratch sol will work 7 hours non stop to create the skeleton that is worth mentioning as a great improvement by openAI.but it's so autistic that once you have a bug it's going to eat the same wekly usage he used working 5 hours in 30 minutes bug hunting becasue he has autism, he hyperfocus on the big picture or in the small, rarely in the middle it's a pain in the ass because it's good really good.I been hearing luna max is very efficient but idk
>>109309687I have to keep telling fable to dumb it down. Otherwise it can't stop talking about seams, and every second sentence being load-bearing, real, structural, true.
Am I making a mistake by chosing https://clerk.com/ for my ios app? if I reach 100k users which I highlly doubt i'll be paying 2k per month just for login auth im currently using convex- any advice? my app is a pet project of mine i've been working on for 8 months maybe even more since 3.7 sonnet came out it's a health assistance app for people who have my condition (tinnitus and loss hearing). So not sure what to choose.
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