/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.


This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

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>>109318285
When you're crinacle and your opponent thinks music is made out of balls.

>basedjaks
Bad start already

>>109318280
>warm and full bodied 2DD + 2EST
my god imagine the T E C H S

>>109318293
mfw when OP forgets to put "L" at the end and i SEE THIS SHIT IN MY CATALOG

>>109318293
>opponent
all challenging claims to your personal takes are treated as adversarial and met with sperg shit flinging.
I pre-accept your concession, boo.

>>109318336
you don't wike us? :(

>>109318356
i just filter all generals until needed
no hard feelings

>>109318365
iemg is always needed \ ^o^ /

>>109318348
Claiming music is made out of balls is mentally challenged indeed.

>>109318336
Take that L.

Gate reproduces mixes better than the Storm when I A/B'd them.

>>109318410
nice. what tracks did you test with?

>>109318439
A bit of everything, stuff like electronic music, so stuff like Justice - Genesis, or large orchestral works.
And a few Stevie Wonder tracks.
Gate overall stages better and has more bass texturing, but Storm timbre was a bit better.

>>109318506
I'll take your word for it anon. Gate>KBear Storm

>>109318595
No, Truthear Gate vs Subtonic Storm

For me its the Subsonic Storm

>>109318293
believing in techs like crin is still better than whatever the fuck he believes in

>>109318285
>They don’t show staging, dynamics
it's literaly proven that all those are in the FR and can be EQ'd.
it's indeed dogma to believe it isn't lol.

Whoever reccd that https://github.com/bearinmindcat/Equalizer314
Thank you. Even though it's still in beta, it's already much better than Wavelet and Poweramp EQ.

>>109319126
This will heavily depend on the device and firmware you're on.
In my case, it is worse than Wavelet.

jeet courier left my package on the ground at the entrance of a large apartment complex guess it's $2 shitbuds for a while longer

Second round
sennheiser hd 480 pro or meze strada (lightly used, price same as hd480)

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new cvj pos (kira)
opened the non animu waifu faceplate one because this had a crushed box.
anyway, sounds bretty gud. soft V shape, very inoffensive, maybe disappointingly so? it doesnt have any surprises. build's good, feels nice in the hand. for 27aud it's very much worth it.

>>109320114
more post like this. After the last few days, I look at Reddit with a favorable eye

>>109320114
You can make it offensive and add surprises with EQ

>>109318280
>>109318330
So gutted Urd 2.0?

>>109320131
well, cutting 2-3db around 1k to 4k makes it better to my boomer ears because it makes snare attack less potent, which im kind of sensitive to and find kind of annoying. but then it ruins it on other tracks, so fuck it.

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so after constant back and forth message tag with EPZ I managed to secure a customized order with them. cant wait to get these bad boys

>>109320026
480 pro

>>109320286
literally why would you do that

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>>109320536
For endgame.

I need a recommendation for some budget Bluetooth IEMs.

>Budget
Low end. The cheapest ones you are comfortable recommending.
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Music, podcasts, voice notes.
Source: smartphone
Environment: public transportation. I need them to be Bluetooth so I can wear hearing protection on top. I know there are alternatives (noise cancelling, hearing protection that are also headphones with Bluetooth, but I chose this).
>Frequency response preference and music examples
I'm not as knowledgeable as you, so I'm skipping this.
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
Wangzu Tanner 2. I liked them.
Blue video flat. I was satisfied with these budget ones. I bought a pair to keep one always on my pack, for when I forget the better ones.

Thanks

get the cheapest ones and eq them to storm tier audio is solved bro

>>109320748
Fox target > storm

>>109320748
>storm tier audio
what kind of audio is that

>>109320708
JBL Vibe Buds, they sound like shit but theyre very small so theyre great for fitting under earpro and very cheap

>>109320198
> snare
> 1-4k
try dipping 6k with a Q of 2 or 3

>>109321007
literally and objectively GOAT
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUCELfWO-G33u82H42J8G_WX1odnOYBJsBNbVskQVt8/edit?gid=1897980432#gid=1897980432

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https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqrBB8x
anyone take the gamble on these yet?

>>109321337
that's subjective list
where's the objective one?

>>109318607
You don't own Storm. If you listened to it in some convention among all the screeching of people you can that throw that impression in le trash

>>109320286
If they arrive show us

I have seen that it's possible to add a "Bluetooth kit" to existing IEMs. Can you recommend a 0.78 mm (the interface of the Wangzu Tanner) Bluetooth kit with my above requirements?

Thank you in advance.

>>109321028
Thanks for the recommendation!

>>109321028
>they sound like shit
no ear or headphones sound like shit because you can fix them with EQ

>>109321846
Both are mental illnesses so...

>>109321865
but /iemg/ told me BA is unfixable driver

>>109321957
1 DD microwaved 5USD shitbud for that perfect owen baked sound

>>109321865
That's like saying a frozen pizza tastes as good as a naples pizza because you fixed it with ranch

I love that we started doing analogies. This is my favorite bit of /iemg/

>>109322074
Yeah, I love when an expensive thing that measures well is better than a cheap thing that measures poorly so an expensive IEM that measures poorly is better than a cheap IEM that measures well. So true and accurate.

I don't like IEMs that much. For me quality headphones > IEMs. Iems always sound like music is played thru some sort of brain implant directly inside my brain.
For that one reason of music playing away from your ears I like headphones much more.

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Have you tried this technology?

>>109322309
>quality headphones
is that even a thing lol (the right answer is no)

>>109322309
>Iems always sound like music is played thru some sort of brain implant directly inside my brain.
both headphones and IEMs are diffuse field devices meaning they play directionless sound anything else you might imagine is delusions or brain damage

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Niggas be listening to treble ear rape at high volume and then complain it sounds in your head.

>>109322400
i think my outer ears have so much effect on what i hear that simply bypassing them doesn't work for me. Even if iem has good sound stage it just sound like my brain is trying to imagine that soundstage instead of hearing it, with headphones and more with speaker i can hear more of that sound playing in physical space outside my head

>>109322464
speakers have soundstage because they are physically at a distance from you so you are getting normal positional queues from them. With headphones there are no normal positional queues so they have no soundstage. At all.
>i think my outer ears have so much effect on what i hear that simply bypassing them doesn't work for me.
I mean IEMs are more or less tuned for average listener so it can be the case that they simply do not produce the sound your brain expects. This just like everything else can be fixed with EQ

>>109321457
Not a convention, had extensive time demo'ing thanks to a friend in a relatively calm location.

>>109322309
frtroonsisters wtf how dare he think anything is ever different its all just fr on eardrum just eq so it doesn't sound inside your head omg

>>109322666
what is sound
guess we simply don't know

>>109322843
It's balls.

If answer for natural sound is just sound waves going thru your own ear before hitting eardrum headphones are simply far superior to any iems. I could even say that due to that idea of in ear monitors are deeply flawed and that's why EQ cope is so present in this general. For over ear headphones u simply don't need it because everything going thru your ear anatomy, everything sound normal and FR charts are just different flavors or sound. With IEMs u have to cope with EQ because everything seems so fake and unnatural, u just searching for your own ear anatomy FR with EQ corrections.
Answer to your third world problem is simple, just buy over ear headphones or speakers.
EQ community solved

>>109322974
>headpos user still thinks headpos perfectly interact with the outer ear
alrighty im making an hpg thread

>>109322974
>For over ear headphones u simply don't need it because everything going thru your ear anatomy
wrong
if anything ears introduce more variations... and even when HRTF is accounted for headphones themselves act differently on different heads. So yeah you still need EQ

>>109323061
>you still need EQ
why? why should it matter when all someone should care about is enjoying sound without everything needing to be "correct" before hitting play?

xisters...he thinks he's enjoying himself...

>>109323061
>>109323004
No no, Im not talking about fr charts, if it's fucked straight from factory it's fucked. But for over ear that sound have to pass thru your outer ears, inner straight to your eardrum. So u basically have custom EQ profile on top of it, tailored by your own ears. Headphones can sound bad or good but what u hear was already mangled by your own ears so it's that much more natural for you even if it's still sounds bad
With IEMs u don't have that, u have hope that factory target and chat gpt designed crossover circuit will emulate influence of your very own ears as close as possible. We know that this isn't usually the case so you have to twist that sound more and more with EQ so u maybe, just maybe get it right and your brain will recognize in this fakery our own ears.
And your endless pursuit of new targets, new research papers and so on is because u simply don't know how to add to that EQ equation your own ears fr. U don't have means to reliably measure it so u hope that next hyped target will be ideal for you so you finaly can hear impact of your own ears.

No joking, it's like trying to emulate owen baked pizza with best ingredients and microwave and answer is simple, just use owen (full size headphones)

>>109323139
I literally explained why to you retard
to EQ out all the fucking peaks headphones introduce simply by being on top of your dumb head

>>109323177
nope, headpos "custom eq" is not tailored to your ears, more like a mangled fucked up ear with positional variation eq

alright you bums, move along
>>109323193
>>109323193
>>109323193

Making some owen baked pizza rn

>>109323177
why are you trying to invent the wheel? that's not how these things work.
headphones can have FR just as fucked as IEMs there's no difference.
>No joking
yeah I know
that's the saddest part

>>109323184
Maybe it's mangled, maybe it sound bad, maybe it's not so nice looking on chink 711 knockoff chart. But it is your very own, unique you you.
You can't emulate that with retarded crossover circuits, 10 drivers cope and endless EQ tweaks.
And what if headphones have pretty fr chart, oh boy, with your own custom EQ done by your ears they sound like heaven

>>109323227
headpos will never have a good fr chart because the custom eq from your ears will always be a fucked mutation of what you have so you still need eq
not to mention that every time you put the headpos on, you have a completely different fr chart that is equally as bad
headpos need eq the most but are gimped by design, unsalvageable pos

>>109323221
>let's avoid FR effects of person's outer ear and then try to emulate this effect (with varying degrees of success) with few drivers, crossovers, filters and EQ
IEMs are trying to reinvent the wheel

>>109323250
>custom eq from your ears will always be a fucked mutation of what you have so you still need eq
u hear that EQ every day of ur life, for u its just how sound sound like

>>109323263
you struggle to understand because you're retarded
headpos will not apply this custom eq correctly, there are very large deviation from the custom eq you are used to hearing
headpos will not apply the custom eq you hear every day in the same way as speakers do, it's a more fucked up custom eq that is just as bad if not worse than the no custom eq of iems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWrLrfDP-Mo

In 2077 iem jeets are cutting off ears and EQing hearing aid iems to newest industry standard target Harman 2077 so they can hear everything as neutral as possible without interference of fucked up mutation of their own ears.

>>109323263
retard
this shit applies to speakers not to headpos
you are so fucking STUPID

Headpos is like listening to speakers in an anechoic chamber. No matter what angle the driver is at it's unnatural. For natural sound you need to emulate sound from every direction at once. That's diffuse field. Having one of the directions baked in is counterproductive for this. The only thing headpos has going for it is it preserves the fundamental ear canal resonance frequency, blocked ear canal doubles it so the fundamental must be guessed from the average and recreated with tuning. The result is better mids but worse treble. Some treble frequencies on headpos are actually completely destroyed and can't be EQd.

>Harman 2077
no mids, pass

>>109323307
that what headphone show said?

>>109323331
no that's how ears work

>>109323486
bro never heard bass in his life

>>109323486
The power to destroy your hairline?

surfans F28 based or cringe?

>>109323181
you're assuming too much? I started only listening to music that have that part of the frequency spectrum dipped, so it balances out.
you shit talk like a pissy 13 year old

>>109323598
>no, u cant enjoy different sound profiles. You have to listen to latest "industry standard target, population average, newest research, harman target, neutral tuning with bass boost " so chinks could sell u new plastic toys every few years
ok

Erm you don't enjoy headphones because I said so

>>109319126
you welcome :)

>>109323181
>5usd iem 3rd worlders thinks that first worlders dont have access headphones with smooth treble and low acoustic impedance

>>109324073
>headphones with smooth treble and low acoustic impedance
there is literaly no such things even if you blow 5K on it, or at least when it comes to smooth treble, especialy when you take into account HRTF that would make even a 100% smooth headphone, not smooth whatsoever.

still, doesn't mean you can't EQ the peaks by ear.

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>>109324073
>headphones with smooth treble
Lol!

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>>109324015
>it's just preference bro

As an antiEQChad I gotta say
*sigh*
There is no headphone with smooth treble...

>>109324099
i'm swiss, most likely richer than you nigger.
that's irrelevant, my headphones are pretty high end, i'm just telling you, there is no such things as a perfectly smooth treble, even if the headphone somehow outputed one, it'd no longer be the case as soon as it's on your head.

>>109324098
As we know IEMs dont have these differences because everything is measured on most advanced ear canal simulator - 711 clone coupler from bought from cheapest seller on aliexpress.
Additionally, to prevent the narrative from falling apart, we take the average of many measurements and smooth it out to the point that there is only 1 smooth line that tries to follow target curve from latest chink hearing preferences research.

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>>109324189
The dent head will say with a straight face that pic related is the same thing as >>109324098

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>>109324189
>average of many measurements
you really don't know how this works, do you

No wonder ballzo thinks the CSDs are fake, he thinks even the FRs are fake.

>>109324244
you know what's not fake?
balls

>>109324127
always gets me, i had somewhere version of that with beyerdynamic so i could troll people that bought them because fav twitch streamer told them this is good.
I do think bright headpos are for older guys, if u are young u just can't stand that for more than 30min

>>109324244
rent free bb

>>109321361
I just did the $30 one and it meets my requirements, that third dongle looks very annoying for use cases

>>109321460
will do, probably not till the end of august cause they said it take 15-30 days since the use some kind of etching process

ok, next topic. Different sounding sources. Truth or just snake oil EQ that cost money

>>109324649
not even snake oil eq, they just don't sound different if done correctly, whcih 99% of products do

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I use a harman target EQ profile for my nicehck ebx25ti and I think it makes it sound so much better, what are you guys arguing about

I shall not fall for obvious bait.

>>109324649
1% non-flat output impedance
2% distortion
3% slow "audiophile" reconstruction filter
4% high output impedance
10% noise
30% volume level not matched
50% sighted test(overrides everything below)

where does a "wide" sound come from? would it be like diameter of diaphragm or what?

>>109324912
*above

>>109324914
FR and occlusion/isolation and fit.

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>they think you can EQ shell vibration techs
lol. lmao

>>109325024
Forged carbon fiber with cooper flakes?
Or some sort of damascus bootleg with cooper.
If they need inspiration they should dive into world of knife making, they could borrow so much crazy shell materials from custom knives that it would be more than enough stuff for next 100 sumit fi iems

>>109324942
>FR
could you explain? an FR graph says what about how high or narrow or wide an IEM will be? how could I readily cross-reference that every time I want to compare wide imaging to other headphones and IEMs?

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this is my setting. feel free to use it

>>109325192
Thanks, I'll try it on my

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Everything is FR, even the fit, comfort and isolation

>>109325451
>preaching that says nothing and nobody asked for.
what are you trying to proselytize exactly?

I have seen that it's possible to add a "Bluetooth kit" to existing IEMs.

Can someone recommend a Bluetooth kit with a 0.78 mm (the interface of the Wangzu Tanner) connector?

My requirements.

>Budget
Low end. The cheapest ones you are comfortable recommending.
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Music, podcasts, voice notes.
Source: smartphone
Environment: public transportation. I need them to be Bluetooth so I can wear hearing protection on top. I know there are alternatives (noise cancelling, hearing protection that are also headphones with Bluetooth, but I chose this).
>Frequency response preference and music examples
I'm not as knowledgeable as you, so I'm skipping this.
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
Wangzu Tanner 2. I liked them.
Blue video flat. I was satisfied with these budget ones. I bought a pair to keep one always on my pack, for when I forget the better ones.

>>109325529
>what are you trying to proselytize exactly?
Enjoying your time with what you have

what's the current fotm?

>>109326436
arguing about frequency response

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I've been listening to AI generated city pop and didn't even notice it

>>109325024
you literaly can, shell vibration vibrate at certain frequencies in response to other frequencies.
this is a linear map that can be EQ'd.
and anyway, i doubt the difference would be enough for a human to ear, shell vibration is probably bellow 10db.

Durability, please.
I've gone through 3 pairs of iem's in a year cause I can't help but tard wrangle them or drop/throw my phone and put 10g's of force through them.

if you're serious about audio, you should get plastic surgery on your ear to shape it so it will be able to transfer the sound waves into your eardrums in the most optimized way.

>>109327462
So inefficient. Just a get a head implant that plays music directly to your brain cells

the FR guys are right, the only reason i and others disagree with him is because theyre insufferable assholes
that being said i have since EQed my hexa to sound almost identical to my Hype 4s, i wish i had known about this a year ago

>>109327462
no you should just buy good speakers

i eq'd my anko earbuds to sound like immanis, even danny was blown away by how indistinguishable it sounds.

EQ Guide won.

>>109326786
if you can, then prove it with box conduction
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G8NgeUAlG9o

>>109325064
>an FR graph says what about how high or narrow or wide an IEM will be
Currently there's no good understanding what exactly in FR influences imaging. Most like it's treble composition... and treble measurements are not really reliable. Also it's not something universal.
>how could I readily cross-reference that every time I want to compare wide imaging to other headphones and IEMs
I don't think it's really possible with current tech. You can try to look up 5128 measurements of something you already know has good imaging and try to find something with similar looking FR.

>>109327759
now it's just FR at the cochlea instead of FR at the eardrum.
doesn't matter it's still FR there is no magic involved.
and also, i do not care about conduction iems.

>>109327764
>Currently there's no good understanding what exactly in FR influences imaging
we don't know exactly what does it but we know it's in the FR.

it's like if you had some software that allowed you to edit face proportions, we do not have an "attractiveness" slider, but we know that with the right slider settings you can make any face shape.

>>109327764
>>109327790
also imaging is not "universal" some people will find that some headphones have good imagine and someone else will find that the same headphone doesn't because hrtf.

guys, new meta just dropped ! ! post FR at the cochlea

>>109327796
FR at the eardrum is still the meta because conduction iems are kind of trash.

>>109327777
still FR at the eardrum, middle ear doesn't matter, same across everything
also
nice quads
>>109327790
a mix of FR and other external shit like fit, isolation, etc
>>109327794
it's not universal because the definition of imaging is loose and descriptive rather than prescriptive
>>109327796
posting FR at my balls, had to zoom out a lot

IEM with best imaging I have is unironically wyvern black remastered

>>109327759
>then prove it with box conduction
literaly no iems results in any meaningful amount of noise on the box.
kek

my gf can eq my dick all she wants, but tyrone's techs are just better.

Bone conduction of any kind in normal-wear IEMs is a very minor gimmick at best.
If you don't understand why, don't bother, you're NGMI.

>>109318280
i'd realy like the chifi market to start making open ear and bone conduction iems.

>>109328305
the fuck is open ear IEM?

>>109328322
out ear monitors. read a book.

>>109328322
yea i guess it should be called cems and oems, still conduction is through bone conduction, open ear means it's basicaly tiny speakers in front of your ear but nothing goes in.

>>109325686
No clue about bluetooth kit, but why not just get a tws if you are looking for portability. Cheap tws like space travels

>>109328326
that's OEM

>>109322043
sound, is, as a matter of fact, not pizza.

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please saar you can eq it off and it will be very good

>eq still making anons mad years later

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Are your shitbud EQ setups next level? Or still chasing the rabbit of non-existent perfect EQ settings instead of buying something good from factory (HD 480 Pro)

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>>109328944
Headpos is always 15dB off from whatever the manufacturer intended, especially closebacks.

Pizzo is not ready to hear that cheap IEMs are objectively better than expensive IEMs even without EQ.

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>>109318280
Is the HiBy R1 HiFi worth it?
Its like $60 right now, and I lost a cheaper MP3 Player and want to replace it with a slightly more premium1...Do any anons here own the HiBy R1? And how has it heldup long-term? Does it still work?

Intended use is music, and audiobooks (maybe podcasts).

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>>109328944
I'm chasing fox.

>>109329112
Are those some Xreal glasses, foxfag? Or some other kind of AR glasses? I bought some Xreal One Pros or some shit when I was drunk and I've only used them a few times to watch movies.

>>109329162
Rayneo air 4 pro.

>>109329174
What do you use them for? Gaming? Movies?

>>109329263
Yes. I can wear them for hours unlike VR stuff.

>>109329282
is it work like vr or more like really big TV in front of you?
I am skeptical about using the screen so close to my eye, I have the impression that in the long run it will turn into vision problems


>>109329099
yeap, its ok, with more powerfull OS than cheaper stuff. Keep in mind it still slow af and far from Android DAPs user experience. Also u have to check if it works with audiobooks (so if its there any problems with larger files or resuming where u left, probably someone on reddit already answered that)

>>109329314
Like a big TV, and the focus point is so far that it unfucks my pseudomyopia.

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Looks like the mesh filter thingy of my tangzu waner 2 is a little recessed for the left side. Right side is completely flat and fine.
Is this an issue I need to fix?

>>109330238
Just buy new 5usd shitbud and EQ that sister

>>109326662
My YouTube front page is full of AI drum and bass videos with asian girls in the thumbnail

>>109328485
Thanks. I will try that.

My IEM is AI generated patten

My EQ is AI generated Storm curve

Has anyone here actually compared 5usd shitbud EQed to storm target with actuall storm and can confirm that they actually sound the same?
Crashing this audiophile plane... with no survivors
Or everyone is too poor for that

>>109330951
>Has anyone here actually compared 5usd shitbud EQed to storm target with actuall storm and can confirm that they actually sound the same
I can confirm that 5usd shitbud EQed to a "storm target" will not sound the same as actual storm

>>109330951
The $5 shitbud sounds much better due to lower distortion, no compression and IR unmolested by inductors and capacitors.

>>109323486
>headpos try and fail to improve on flawed 600 series for years constantly rising prices
>meanwhile pos constantly try new things and successfully improve on existing stuff either with reducing prices or introducing new signatures and technologies
and the best part it's not even shitposting

>>109325024
BCDs barely do anything, but vibration drivers are genuinely non-eqable. They behave in an almost on/off manner. Grab cvj luki to check it out.

>>109331070
You bloody fucking
Anything can be EQ to anything
Bloody blastard

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>>109331260
Can't EQ Storm to Chu 2. BA quality too low.

>>109331338
We already established you were retarded couple of threads ago. Quit posting the same image over and over

Storm won.

>>109331389
We established you don't know what this image means so you don't understand when it's appropriate to post it. And make no mistake. You alone don't get it.

>>109331406
Ok indog. Keep telling yourself that and enjoy your 7hz Zero lmfao

Still waiting for pics of actual Storm side by side with random plastic iem from chyna and actual sound impressions.
Does anyone can confirm that shitbud actually sound like storm just by applying few tweaks.

>>109331035
Unlike with iems there is only 1 company that is scamming people with new stuff -chinkfiman. Headphones are long solved by reputable brands from Germany and Japan

Storm will sound better because it is heavier.
Massmaxx bros on top.

Why does Storm sound the best?

>I don't need measurements, I need to see the faceplates
kinda based ngl

>>109331455
nggar says the weight makes bass worse because the shell vibrates less.

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Would you believe me if I told you both 7Hz Zero and Chu 2 measure with much higher distortion if you take off the THICK paper filter they have? You can cheat on THD with this testing methodology. This fact mindbreaks the distortionzos.

>>109331764
>if you break the IEM it distorts more
Amazing discovery, frogzo, keep it up.

>>109331764
The distortion also increases if you have a bad seal. Is this cheating as well?

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>>109326436
Margherita

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>>109331338

>>109332528
>he did the thing
Incredible. You actually don't get it

How can THD be real if graphs aren't real. It's all drawn in REW.