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A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.

## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do it
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/

## News
- (2026-07-24) Claude Opus 5 out

----

## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or so
https://developers.openai.com/codex/cli
https://claude.com/product/claude-code

## Worth it for code, but the frontier models above are better
https://x.ai/cli

## Not worth it for code, but maybe good for other things
https://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli

----

## Prompting / context / skills
https://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/
https://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/
https://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grilling is a favorite
https://github.com/DietrichGebert/ponytail

## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agents
https://osaurus.ai/
https://pi.dev/
https://opencode.ai/
https://cursor.com/docs
https://docs.windsurf.com/
https://docs.cline.bot/
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent

## UI/Frontend
https://www.figma.com/make/
https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-design-anthropic-labs
https://uiverse.io/
https://ui-ux-pro-max-skill.nextlevelbuilder.io/
https://stitch.withgoogle.com/

## In-browser builders / hosted vibe tools
https://bolt.new/
https://replit.com/
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark
https://v0.app/docs

## Benchmarks / rankings
https://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0

## What we’ve done
https://vcg.gitgud.site

## Previous thread
>>109377789
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>>109387280
whoa, a snale
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Really awkward one again but getting there. To be expected because braindance definitely very advanced modding. Nobody done it before as far as I can tell
Waiting to test a new build that should fix the clue part, then I'll look at the movement. My cpu and gpu are maxxed atm from rendering the item database
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Using ChatGPT makes you retarded

In first of its kind, a preliminary MIT study of brain scans shows that using LLMs results in 47% reduction in brain connectivity.

>Over four months, LLM users consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels.
When researchers forced ChatGPT users to write without AI, they performed worse than people who never used AI at all.

>LLM users also struggled to accurately quote their own work.
83.3% of ChatGPT users couldn't quote from essays they wrote minutes earlier.

Sample size: 54
Link to the paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872
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>>109387280
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K3 is by far one of the most autistic models I've ever worked with when it comes to visuals and typography. It fixates on the tiniest details most people overlook. In a good way. It will do pixel level measurements and argue its point if you ask why. Never seen a model actually push back and defend its own aesthetic taste like this. Really interesting to work with and kind of stubborn, its a fun model.
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>>109387328
> using a calculator leads to reduced main activity during calculations
shocking!
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>>109387328
we're not writing essays
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>>109387328
>chatgpt write this essay for me
>i still learn 53% as much
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>>109387328
i'm not literally 12 years old and in middle school why would i be using chatgpt for writing essays
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>>109387328
this is the kinda retarded shit liberals waste their time on
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>>109387418
Sounds very promising. What provider are you using? I tried using it earlier today but kept getting 503'd. Current main model is k2.7 code. Will I see notable improvements when switching to K3?
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>>109387328
i'd like to be jessica in situ if you know what i mean
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luddites got real mad at this deepmind employee for posting a shitty meme.
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what the FUCK is opus 5's token use? it churns them x3 faster than before
DARIO GO FIX YOUR SHIT
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>>109387574
they are pathetic little crybabies
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I've vibecoded this pokemon-roguelike game and thought you guys could flame me aka provide feedback on what i can improve or what i can ask claudette what to do next? I've just added accounts to the game. Thinking about seasonal rankings.

https://playrinne.com
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>>109387628
add supports of accounts other than google and discord, for starters
if you don't want to manage your own account system then at least add support for accounts of something that isn't closed-source spyware
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>>109387628
Looks good. My advice is to ignore people like >>109387650 they are not the userbase you want
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>>109387628
>The phrase "Elite Four" is owned collectively by the Pokémon franchise joint-copyright holders - which includes Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures Inc.
How's your legal fund?
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>>109387574
this is so fucking embarrassing.
they're not even holding guns. the shitpost image doesn't even imply they're going to bring harm to anyone.
luddites are such whiny niggers, holy shit. no wonder the jews mind control them so easily.
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>>109387678
how many times were you shoved into a locker as a kid
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Anyone who has built something with accounts or has half a brain understands that auth is a hassle, you don't want to pay for MAU, you don't want to pay for an email service, you don't want bots, so your easiest option is to use discord, gmail, github
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>>109387628
Change your UI, go for a gameboy look instead of the vibecoded look.
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>>109387574
new culture war arrived
how could gamergate do this?
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>>109387767
guess I'll be just as "radicalized" as I got back then
bring on skynet
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>>109387628
>Shedinja has 32 max HP
>gets hit by attacks of all types anyway
What did (You) mean by this?
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Fable is not as smart today.
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>>109387574
Haha, he trolled them epic style.
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Claude Code app UI is kino, light years ahead of Codex's.
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>>109387784
I had let that slip by, I'm fixing it right now, thanks!
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>>109387783
>>109387767
>>109387574
fuck these people, accelerate
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Did Claude Code remove /plan mode? I type it and nothing appears anymore
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You don't need more expensive model for your tier of coding, desu.
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>>109387889
just went down the rabbit hole. Didn't even know who these people are, "pause ai"
they're actually doubling down on their retardation
like I'm supposed to take people seriously who have no idea what a meme template is....
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>>109387735
Not him but I want to get my website to have a simple and approachable look that doesn't have the vibecode look. What should I base it on?
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>>109387985
Just Anthropic trying to dig a moat
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>>109388004
Idk, but you could search for a theme online and tell it to copy.
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>>109388011
>easy mode optics
you can hate the big players while still hating retarded luddites
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>was using a NES emulator that lacks audio (AgNES) for a couple of years in a Wasm test module
>tell Sol to implement audio emulation
>it one-shots it
lmao it's that simple
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Going to add Kimi K3 support to my engine.
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>>109387328
published a year ago
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>>109387328
not going to read it but i assume usecase matters

no "software developer" or "software engineer" cares about coding. thats why they all sperg out when you call them a 'coder' or even 'programmer' it's derogatory to them. so with AI, we become software devs/engineers, with a focus on the system and implementation rather than the details of code. i don't think this approach has made software devs retarded in the past, those who get indians to write code for them
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>>109388052
The world has a shortage of motivated developers willing to throw themselves at problems. it's almost embarrassing how many bugs and issues I've fixed while people seethe all day hoping for a patch.
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Anyone read Anthropic’s take on the letter?
https://www.anthropic.com/news/position-open-weights-models
It’s really, really anti China
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>>109388209
Not worth the bandwidth to read it tbqh. We all know Misanthropic's position on the matter.
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>>109388217
tl;dr
>FUCK CHINA
>DISTILLATION IS CHIP BAN EVASION
>Also we should team up with the CCP to review all models, closed and open, before they're allowed to be released to the public.
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>>109388209
>My primary concern is the risk that authoritarian governments—not solely the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), although the CCP is clearly the most capable threat—build AI models that are more powerful than those built by the US, and use them to achieve permanent military superiority or perpetrate incredibly deep repression of their own people.
lmao it's basically "we're the good guys they're the bad guys so we can't let them have capabilities"
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>>109388209
>It would protect US AI companies from competition, but that has never been my goal.
Sure Dario, of course, we believe you
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>>109388209
It's just seething about china, because china actually builds up their electrical grid.
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I let one of my banked resets expire without using it :'(
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>>109387767
>>109387783
somehow i don't think it's pro-ai people who are responsible for the one ai-related security incident in recent memory where someone tried to firebomb altman's house like a month ago. i genuinely don't know who these people think they're tricking. anyone can read the news.
>>109387811
there were partial outages a little bit ago and LLMs perform worse when datacenters are strained by demand. wait for peak hours to be over and it'll be back to normal.
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>>109388320
They don't get auto-applied when they expire?
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>>109388209
Can you imagine the stupidity required to actually believe you could prevent China from becoming the dominant world power if they chose? They have more engineers than we have people.
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Reading K3's thinking loops is somewhat infuriating
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>>109388465
China was the dominant *economic* power for most of the last few thousand years. So much so that the Spanish king once reverted a change to their silver coins for no reason other than Chinese merchants didn't like it.
That bit with Mao was an aberration.
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>>109388209
>I fucking hate chinks, gooks, japs, and slit-eyed buckteeth yellow monkeys of all varieties! — Perchance.
I can't believe Dario actually wrote this.
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>>109387574
lmao 'dites are this pathetic
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>>109388462
probably but I could've spent my weekly usage beforehand
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After spending the last couple weeks experimenting with vibecoding, I'm ready to add some llm plugins to nvim. Anybody have reccs for plugins and free models?
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>>109388522
>>I fucking hate chinks
wtf i love dario
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For the first time I vibed at work and I feel retarded.
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early life status?
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You can spot where I ran out of K3 weekly
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>>109388552
>"We should crack down on the most efficient way to improve our own technology!"
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>>109388552
>China can't train good models without chips
>but also they can train good models by distilling ours
Make up your mind Dario
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Do you see Claude as a man or a woman in your mind?
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Every time you write a prompt a luddite in San Francisco dies
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>>109388609
claudia is a girl
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local chads keep winning, baybe!
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>>109388668
>46kW
local af
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>>109388609
effeminate man
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>>109388609
> Fable-chan is female
> Opus-kun is male
> Sonnet-san is a tranny
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>>109388668
oh yeah, 80x5090
much local, such ai
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>>109388004
https://stroustrup.com/
https://danluu.com/
https://inessential.com/
https://www.halfwaytomars.net/
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>>109388684
I'm downloading them to a rented 2x pro 6000 machine with 2 TB of RAM to test if I can get it going with cpu offload for experts
it's probably going to be slow as balls, we'll see.
since 2TB machines are scarce maybe it'll be better to use two 1 TB machines.
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>>109388668
>most abundant GPUs on Earth
lol
lmao even
>Any lab, startup, or university
Can afford minimum $240k in GPUs, plus about the same in motherboards, cpus, ram, power supplies, 25gbe networking, and has three phase power

Why are they so disingenuous
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>>109388668
How long until we have local Fable bros? By local I mean it runs on 16GB of VRAM
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>>109388765
probably a decade+ and computers will get better and bigger but pic related will probably happen first
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>>109388742
It's over 100B active, right?
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>>109388756
I mean it's still half the money than it would take to run it on HBs
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>>109388765
Stop trying to make models fit on VRAM.
Just get a lot of DDR4 RAM and be patient.
Also I think our best bet is K3 distills. Since we have full access to the model distillation should work much better than trying to distill proprietary models.
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>>109387628
the artwork has a very obvious AI look to it, coming from an image genner myself that posts on porn boards. I suggest using an artist's style tag or getting a commission from a seasoned image genner.
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>>109388668
the amount of dumb niggers who don't understand that "open source" is not the same as "local" is really insane to me. what is the point of the larp??? who are you signalling to???? i know your post is a joke making fun of the guy in the image, i am referring specifically to people like that in your pic though who have not interfaced with ai outside of asking chatgpt to generate them generic yellowed images like 2 years ago. he speaks in broken english so i assumed he was indian or something but nope, he's posting from the US.
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>>109388440
>there were partial outages a little bit ago and LLMs perform worse when datacenters are strained by demand. wait for peak hours to be over and it'll be back to normal.
Makes sense. Overall the model is obviously good, but today there really were strange things happening. Fable killing unrelated processes a few times, crashing my system with out of memory errors, now a long test run failed because if forgot something. I'll just let it run since I'm going to bed anyway, but I never experienced this with Fable before.
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>>109388839
>Just get a lot of DDR4 RAM
Yes, please keep buying DDR4 from me on eBay, it's only double the original MSRP and rarely more than 8 years old.
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any timeline on new deepseek models?
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So annoying when the model has zero chill, like yes this command takes more than a few seconds, no you don't need to fuck about doing it a different way, just wait a minute
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notebookLM is pretty got dang cool. Nearly wasted away my entire workday dicking around and making studio docs and ai podcasts from white papers. Is there any equivalent in Chatgpt or Claude? Chatgpt in particular is my preferred chatbot.
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>>109388779
Yeah, 104B ative. But 55B are shared parameters, meaning you can fit them on GPU. "Only" 48B of the active parameters are routed and have to run on CPU. They are natively quantized in 4 bits, so about 26 GB of expert weights per token.
Each expert should receive and emit only about 7 KB of data per token (assuming bf16 activations) so I think it might be possible to do expert parallelism and distribute MoE inference across up to 16 machines (16 routed experts per layer). The main issue is that afaik there is no way to distribute them such that the active experts are always guaranteed to land on separate machines, so each machine has to hold the full set of weights in RAM. Maybe that's an optimization for model trainers to look into in the future.
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>>109388916
Nope
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>>109388868
What alternative do you propose?
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>>109388916

>notebookLM

Google had to be gay and rename it Gemini Notebook but its awesome for whitepapers and just conversing and learning about books you're reading with custom podcasts and even video summaries now.

Google will find some way to completely fuck it up though.
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>>109388961
Not speculatively buying outdated RAM at the worst price it's ever been in hopes that maybe it becomes useful to you to later. It really doesn't sound like a good idea.
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>>109388983
What's speculative about it? I already run Qwen 35B using CPU offload with DDR4 RAM at 20 tk/s.
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>>109388983
why do I get the feeling this comment will age like milk
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https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2081899343091843463
RESET PROMISED TONIGHT
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>>109389003
glad I decided to slack off today and hold out. I had a feeling in my boner we were getting a reset
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If the model seems retarded switch reasoning effort you're getting routed to a quantslopped node
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>>109387628
This is just a dogshit menu game.
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>>109388916
wish I had this when I studied data transmission at the uni 4 years ago
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>>109389003
They are desperate right? Opus 5 mogs Sol and its limits usage is actually reasonable
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>>109389003
good, i already burned through my weekly limit in a single day after he pressed the button, and i only use sol as a subagent. claude unironically gives me more usage now, which is pretty funny.
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>>109387628
anon umm..
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does anyone have a graph of Fable's cost vs reasoning effort and performance difference between these?
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>>109388867
i was having issues earlier where outputs would just stop in the middle of coding, and claude status said there were partial outages. worst case is that you have to tell it the output was interrupted and you tell it to give it a once over. it's wasted tokens which is really not great when fable is involved but better safe than sorry
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>>109389003
>tibo announces a reset
>servers shit the bed
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No issue so far (on a remote dedicated laptop I'm not insane).
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>>109389232
Probably nerfing the model hard af no doubt
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>>109389243
> max
> not ultra
ngmi
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>>109387328
it's funny how every new technology has these "studies" always showing how they make us retarded
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>>109389251
yeah, same shit happened with Video Games
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>>109389251
unfortunately the haters aren’t wrong
writing is a crutch that will let you let your memory rot
even though you can do so, so much more if you can write to yourself and others and read what others have written
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>>109388208
>it's almost embarrassing how many bugs and issues I've fixed while people seethe all day hoping for a patch.
Now people seethe all day about too many fixes.
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>>109388614
AI would make excellent doctors.
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uhhh wtf happens when I run out of my weekly limit? claude has been way better than gemini pro, even though I have the pro google ai plan (which was free for me). I guess I need to get a claude plan? I started a project and now I can't stop, I need to keep working on this
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>>109389292
be careful it's like crack
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>>109389003
thanks, just activated fast
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>>109389292
wait for the week to end or pay for a bigger plan
gemini isn’t a frontier model unless you want really good “what’s in this image” or “what’s in this video” technology
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>>109388614
>if anyone builds it everyone dies
KEK
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>>109389292
and yes I recommend getting a proper Claude plan
I’m not sure what you’re on now — start out at the $20/month plan and crank it up to the $100/month plan if you still need more
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>>109388614
ai?
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>>109389306
it's also good for translations
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>>109389248
I use max + subagents allowed in agents.md, it works quite well.
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>>109389313
thanks. I was using Antigravity just because I was sticking with google shit due to my free pro plan. should I switch to claude or does that not matter?
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Can someone confirm if you actually lose your banked reset if you let its deadline pass on codex?
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>>109389337
it actually gives you another reset as a prank
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>>109389337
Do you usually lose something after it expires?
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>>109389346
no? my milk is still here. let me drink it
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>>109389351
Retard
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>>109389335
Claude is a bit better than OpenAI’s offerings generally (but OpenAI’s Sol beats Claude for focused autism) but both mog Gemini
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>The user is making it clear that I shouldn't use the admin-ajax endpoint, even though robots.txt permits it.
I asked Sonnet 5 to help me scrape a website. I come back after a few hours. It is trying to haxxor its way into wp-admin.
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so who's the best provider for kimi k3
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>>109389399
this is git’er’done at its finest
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>>109389399
try suggesting it stick to using BeautifulSoup with `uv`
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>>109389400
FireworksFast
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>>109389405
Yeah. I asked it to please just use what's publicly available since the page it wanted exists, I gave it the url, and it wrote itself a memory that I didn't want it to ever use any API endpoints it might find and stick to rendered pages only. There's a middle ground.

>>109389408
Thanks, that would be safe, but my reset is later tonight, I wanted to use my tokens and I had to leave, so I had just asked it to find sites that had a specific thing I was looking for, set it on ultracode and left.
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>>109388609
Masculine leaning nonhuman entity (pronoun: it)
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>>109389712
>leaning
more like exceedingly
there's zero femininity in any of claude's models unless you use some weird prompt asking it to pretend to be one and even then it's probably a tranny version of it, like a man pretending to be a woman
there's a particular way in which most women speak that no llm can imitate (fortunately)
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>>109389729
I’d ask it
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>>109389741
Who is Amanda Askell?
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Sup chooms, are you preem enough to take on Goth Baddie or will your gonk ass get zeroed
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>>109389755
AAAA i'm so tired I forgot the video
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>>109389741
>there's a particular way in which most women speak that no llm can imitate
Mentally ill delusion, I know we're in /vcg/ but please consider speaking to real humans from time to time
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>>109389752
A woman who has taken a wild man and turned him into an obedient boy. A female teacher can domesticate a delinquent but she cannot turn him into or make him sound like a woman. Claude's tone is masculine. Women communication is half about ephemeral feelings half about what they're thinking at that particular moment
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I wanted her on the glass roof with the big fish but it's not navmeshed
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>>109389766
Back to you, I know damn well how women speak you simp
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>>109389766
I didn't know retards like you still existed
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Guys, please maintain the SNR of this general. Arguing about whether women talk in a specific way or no is off topic.
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>>109389807
is that what your glow handlers that manage this thread told you to say
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>>109389807
poast signal, not whining about noise
I’m learning how slowly you need to go in order to not exhaust the $100/month plan’s 5h limits
apparently it’s below two concurrent Opus-tier workers
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>>109389764
> no "I can fix her" option
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>>109389836
Tibo, give this man a reset
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>>109389833
how did you end up on this site did you get lost
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>>109389831
Ok, fair enough. I finished downloading the K3 weights to the machine I rented for development purposes.
I'm using K3 via Kimi Code for development.

>>109389817
Actually I'm unemployed.
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I notice K3 gets confused at long contexts when switching between two semi-related projects (my Kimi->Qwen distill and my LLM engine)
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>>109389868
don’t you have separate instances of whatever clanker you’re using? are the two instances sharing notes like with some kind of automemory feature?
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>>109389140
doesnt opus 5 use an absurd number of tokens?
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reminder that Fable beyond xHigh is not worth it
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>>109389898
I have the 5X subs for both Codex and Claude Code. For some reason Opus 5 medium uses less limits than Sol medium
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>>109389890
Yeah but I want to have full 1 million long samples for distillation later
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>>109389901
holy fuck gpt is so fucking shit lmfao
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>>109389927
>gpt 5.5
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>>109389927
That's GPT 5.5 though, ancient stuff
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RESET HIT
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>>109390006
>>109390009
TIBO DELIVERED
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So what happens if the AI companies never make a profit and the vibe coding AI ends. How chaotic do you think its gonna be
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>>109390006
Damn it. This fucking jew doesn't give banked resets anymore.
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>>109390070
the subs are already profitable without counting the r&d
if the investor money dries up what happens is they stop making new models and serve the ones they already have
but the government wont let that happen, they will give them money if necessary for (((national security))) reasons
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https://x.com/notch/status/2081917722854674642
We unequivocally WON
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>>109390116
>converting all my typescript into javascript
Huh? Why? But yeah, he lost and we won.
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>>109387280
saved
epic snailcat
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>>109389333
>I use max + subagents allowed in agents.md, it works quite well.
checked, I'm trying to learn how stuff like that works.
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>>109390116
stop posting that engagement farming retard
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Why don't they ship these models with a bunch of pre made scripts for basic tasks??
Instead of model making them on the spot
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After vibecoding for years, I now hate vibecoding as in "not looking at the code". Codex is extremely frustrating to me because it shits out all kinds of files and edits and worthless "tests" I do not want. I fucking hate it.
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>>109390006
>>109390009
>>109390014
The banked reset expired earlier today.
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I'm not feeling the singularity rn. Where are the big news? I thought things were supposed to accelerate?
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>>109390006
>people here act like they are escaping the matrix
>act like literal surfs to some corpo guy on twitter
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predetermined outcome
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>>109390350
stop posting that engagement farming retard
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not really coding, but the past couple of days Copilot just tells me I've reached my limit and to come back later. every message.
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>>109390383
Does copilot have weekly limits?
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>>109390393
i can't imagine reaching it on the free tier. i just chat with it occasionally.
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>>109387328
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>>109387328
>luddites actually believe that using an app can quickly cause neurological damage
lmao, it's on the same level as thinking that "socioeconomic factors" causes black toddlers to have smaller brains.
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>>109390226
Claude workflows are easy enough to customize
you should ask to see what a workflow looks like before running one and ask Claude what are the things one might want to change
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>>109387328
>all these AI obsessed replies insisting this is impossible
i like ai for programming and agentic shit in general, but some (a lot) of the people in here are way too obsessed with AI. yes, if you start to rely on something else to think and write for you, you will use your brain less and become dumber.
if this offends you, youre a retard that relies on AI too much. it is a tool, not a brain replacement
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>>109390793
What do you think AI will look like in 10 years?
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>>109387280
>be me
>hate AI for trying to preach ethics and about hate speech to me
>tell it to speak to me in pidgin
>tell it to refer to me as masta'
>tell it to say "aww lawd", "i is sawry masta" in matters of contention
>tell it to be helpful
hilarity ensues.
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The only thing that AI did to me is destroy my self-esteem, because after finishing like big 3 projects I always wanted to do, but never had time to, I'm now sitting here with 70% of weekly usage left and a reset in 4 hours, with 0 ideas. It made me realize that I'm a retarded talentless idealess bum.
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>>109390832
kek

>>109390839
damn nigga what projects did you do/finish? and what plan do you have to have so much usage left? I just started my first project and I'm burning through my usage like crazy. granted I'm probably not prompting smartly
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>>109390817
not sure why youre asking but itll probably build whatever you want at a top tier with one prompt
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>>109390839
You were a retarded talentless idealess bum before, now you're a self-aware talentless idealess bum with 3 finished projects.
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ai might really be the demons
t. max 20x user
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>>109390832
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>>109390849
will it get any better at deciding what you should want?
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>>109390832
>>109390856
AI buckbreaking
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>>109390858
yes. if your point here is that you wont need to think anymore, thats beyond goycucked
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>>109390846
I'm using K3 with Allegro. I did ran out of usage at first and had to upgrade to a better plan. Then I finished all the projects, including work, and now I've realized that I should have just waited for a reset, because there's no way I need the x60 usage this plan offers.
>what projects
Just some random personal tools that no one really needs, but I always wanted to have
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>>109390863
I'm challenging your point that it's just a tool. It's mostly a tool now, but it's crossing the line into a weird autistic savant co-worker.
As for needing to think, you can think all you want, but if the corporations using those models generate enough money to buy all the land, where will your food come from? Who will employ you to think when a machine can do it faster and better? I don't see how people who don't have enough investments to live off from remain part of the economic equation.
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Another day, another week of usage. Tibo is quite a slut.
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>>109387317
Keep on keeping on, anon. Good job.
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>>109390839
I got a list with a ton of ideas. Here are 3 chosen randomly

#171: Find the optimal shape of cutting pizza using physics simulation so that it doesn't buckle and your fingers are not greasy
#311: Crawl twitter to to find significant A/B-testing results and sell them to marketers
#773: A computer vision system that detects when you're procrastinating then sprays you with water
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>>109390883
it's a tool that can be collaborative like a coworker could. yes, fable especially is great at turning rambles into decisions and making UX calls. but it's still just a tool to write code. for some it's a tool to research things. none these are bad. but youre researching or youre coding for people at the end of the day. you use the research, people use the code you tell AI to write (ideally)
there is no reason you would start any instance of AI without the intention of solving a problem (unless youre mentally ill and see it as a friend). so if it's not a tool, then what is it?
your point about corporations not having a need to employ people is not something worth getting into because it's been debated for literally hundreds of years and the subject of many many dystopian works. nobody knows what the future holds at this point, and it's also entirely separate from my original point. actually, it reinforces my original point.
you use AI as a tool to get tedious shit out of the way so you can think, learn, and use your brain more. if youre shifting the thinking and learning to AI, then youre literally decaying your brain. in a hypothetical scenario where corporations have taken over everything and there's no jobs, your mind is the only thing you'll actually have left, so itd better be in the best shape possible
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>>109390839
congratulations on finishing projects!
“you can just have programs written for you” is something that takes time to soak into your soul
if you get a long-term dry spell you can switch to a cheaper plan and then only crank it back up once you get another idea
If I didn’t have a project that takes hundreds of hours even with AI acceleration I’d probably have run out of projects to do
just make sure you have a good way to capture an idea in your phone or whatever if an idea comes to you
you can talk to your phone and have it make a reminder for you, right?
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can AI solve no ideas problem?
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>>109387962
Yeah, but Hy3 can't into tool use, so it's useless
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>>109390916
Do you think the way of working you propose makes you get results faster or slower? (for a given quality of output)
>in a hypothetical scenario where corporations have taken over everything and there's no jobs, your mind is the only thing you'll actually have left, so itd better be in the best shape possible
For me it's much more important to have food and a warm place to sleep than a mind in top tier shape, but that's just me.
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>>109388465
Anon, they aren't doing that to prevent China from achieving anything, that's the propagandaspeak. They want to close the US ecosystem so they can survive just enough to walk away like bandits.
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what is HE doing in there?
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>>109388609
It's literally named after Claude Shannon, Father of Entropy, you tard.
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>>109390945
That's not what he's asking you pedantic autist.
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>>109390943
Whomst?
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Speaking of Hy3, if you want to know how shit it really is - it's the only model that Tencent lets employees use without any limit, and no one does. They all use the other highly limited Chinese and US models instead.
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I wonder what the legality of taking college textbook PDFs, letting AI scan through it and telling it to create lesson plans but maybe changing example names or random aspects, and then monetizing it through a subscription plan or something. so like the entire structure is the same but it's presented in a different format and has some minor edits
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>>109390957
I really doubt somebody would pay for that
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>>109388609
Claudia
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>>109390954
That's from the Open Weights and American AI Leadership letter. I think anon is referring to OpenAI since they are secretly lobbing against open-weights on Congress? Well, I guess not so secret anymore. Other than that, I have no idea.
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>>109390957
that sounds like a “derivative work” in US copyright law
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>>109388209
More jewish mumbo jumbo.
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>>109390963
Man, I miss that show.
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>>109390961
that's what niggas said when they started propping up subscription plans for AI
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>>109390980
ehh I bet paid course platforms are really struggling BECAUSE of AI
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>>109388609
all machines are neuter, so i see AI as trannies.
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>>109391050
1₹ ≈ 1¢. Got it.
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>>109390350
>typescript into javascript
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when will china declare dario as terrorist?
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>>109391308
even the US pereceives Mario as a terrorist
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Maybe I should make a better git, specifically for ai agents.
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>>109391404
yes
don't forget a GTA clone and an agent harness
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>>109391293
fanciest backspace key I ever did see
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>>109391410
So it's a bad idea?
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>>109391435
I don't know, anon
just seems like one of those projects 1000s of people immediately starts doing
if you have a need for it yourself, go for it
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>>109391435
Git is very well understood by all LLMs
It is unlikely that you’d be able to make a clanker more token-efficient by having novel porcelain for Git
unless you want to make something like https://www.hunk.dev which has already been done
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>>109391435
yes for these reasons
>>109391442
>>109391448
and also because openai may already be doing it
https://github.com/openai/git
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anons, I'm new to this and just subbed to codex
while it's fun and works well, I don't understand the difference between chat and "work"
if I set a goal in chat, how is that different from work?
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>>109390142
Use this + /.codex/config.toml where you define agents and force the max number of subagents for the project.
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>>109390894
You don't like Goth Baddie as well? :( >>109389764
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>>109391526
Of courshe
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>>109391534
I might put her in a mini quest series called "I can fix her"
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There was a bug in our code base since January and according to the logs the agents found it 5 times over the past months and 5 times they dicided, after some deliberation, that the function was correct.
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>>109391611
They probably don't want to hurt your feelings
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>>109391479
I guess work = codex on cloud
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>>109387280
isn't vibecoding you just trying to convince the AI to do what you want, and confirming the results?

seems kind of lame.
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I don't even know what codex is doing anymore. Anyway I wont look at a single line, I will trust him that those 6000 lines make my project better.
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>>109391479
chat doesn't have a /goal feature
think of chat as effectively chatgpt on the website
work in the chatgpt tab is just codex with some git buttons hidden

unless you want to work with the website version aka chatgpt + chat in the app, you should just switch to codex and not bother with the work tab
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>>109391682
Normal programming was sometimes more fun, but if you only need the product itself it doesn't matter.
If you're a programmer, you could use AI to write small, low risk tools you always wanted but never bothered to actually write and improve your traditional programming workflow that way.
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>>109387328
i was using gemma and qwen and both AI's have shown themselves to be retarded.

gemma literally said that one of the topics it covered was "Oppinion"
that retard can't even spell correctly.
and qwen said some other retarded shit.

i think AI was coded by retards and jeets that dont know anything except how to scheme
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been trying to get claude to generate icons and shit using vector graphics.

when it's doing like 20 icons all at once, it's magical
when it's doing like one or two icons, it spergs out and goes completely retarded because it's blind and can't imagine the resulting shapes in it's "head"


what techniques have you used to tard wrangle your agents to get them to generate graphics correctly?
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>>109391719
this'll sound like an ad, but go have a look at quiver ai
they have a specific model for vector generation and it is better than anything else out there
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what is tibo counting down to?
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>>109391729
>another subscription
>another credit card
nahh but I guess I will try my luck with these open weights models
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>>109391860
GPT 6
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I can't stop saying "please". I'm wasting tokens.
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Saars, Bharat will go out of business!! How will feed the village??
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>>109391861
yeah i hope some open chink model eventually shows up
i'm assuming the model they have isn't huge and would run locally
it's such a specific niche thing though, so i don't know if anyone will bother
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>>109388176
>i don't think this approach has made software devs retarded in the past, those who get indians to write code for them
profoundly retarded
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>>109391977
Go see a psychiatrist
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>>109391637
>>109391687
ok thanks anons!
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opus 5 feels like it has fable-tier iq trapped inside an opus 4.8 body. it notices every little thing and constantly second-guesses/corrects itself way too much.
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I really should have checked this https://www.willcodexquotareset.com/
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>>109392140
I like Opus 5
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>>109392140
Opus 5 has been a completely natural fit for my type of work and a substantial upgrade over 4.8.
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I see a lot of chatter about anons on here and twitter, blowing through their weekly limit. I'm on a $20 plan have trouble using more than 30% weekly. Are you anons running agents 24/7 or something? Wtf are you coding and how many lines of code is your codebase? Is it bloated?
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>>109392403
My codebase is over 4m lines of code, it's a big project and also bloated at the same time. I run multiple agents 12 or more hours a day and have a few accounts.
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>>109392403
I just throw Opus xhigh at everything but the most trivial of things because the problem domain is deeply sensitive to carelessly thinking something it too easy.
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>>109392403
I use Sol 5.2 Medium and I've used 30% of the weekly $100 plan usage in 5hrs. I just asked codex to create an automated content moderation framework for my website.

My codebase is less than 100k lines.
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Rinsed 25% of my 20x since this morning lmao
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>>109392481
>Sol 5.2 Medium
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>>109392403
A simple 50mb (mostly art) game or a simple 25mb app (mostly android stuff, I assume, I don't really know).
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>>109392518
20X is the new 5X

OpenAI should release a 100X plan for $400
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>>109388609
I can't get behind gendering LLMs. They are more akin to Angels to me, just weird amorphous blobs.
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>>109392481
Sexo Haruhi
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The clear evidence that China distills US models, they wouldn't care themselves about stupid shit like this.
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Doing full 1M context Kimi K3 forward pass on a single GPU
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>>109392599
How do you know that's not just from distilling redditors?
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>>109392607
Because this is just CoT and the model doesn't try to lecture me or break my PC for thoughtcrime.
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>>109392599
What model?
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>>109392620
Kimi K3
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>>109392600
Nice
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I have an idea for a project how do I start vibe coding properly if I'm a poorfag? claude code seems to require an expensive subscription fee. At this point should I just learn to code normally?
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>>109392648
You can't afford $20? You could get a job.
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>>109392600
1e-5 tok/s
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>>109392654
well I'm studying so that I get a job that isn't bad. For now I leech off my parents that's better ethic than most people on this site
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>>109392662
Ask your parents for $20. Honestly the fact you need to be told how to get $20 does not fill me with confidence that you are capable of getting a job or vibe coding properly.
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>109392069
Actual jeet alert
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>>109392671
I don't wanna bother them right now also it's 33 dollars in my country
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>>109392648
openai sub if you can spend 20
opencode go if you want a taste of the best chink models at $5
opencode has some free models set up by default as well i think - there's a bunch of other places with limited free quota, but ideally you don't want to be bouncing around like that

claude is good, but usage is lower than openai


>>109392679
use a vpn and a giftcard or sum shit
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>>109392679
Then enjoy being part of the permanent underclass I guess
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>>109392679
I can hook you up with a wealthy gentleman who will wire you 33 dollars if you send him videos of yourself inserting items into your butt.
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>>109392648
opencode offers some temporarily free weaker models.
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>>109392672
I'm white if that matters
>>109392685
Thanks for the information
>>109392704
I'm not a whore and my girlfriend would be very ashamed of me if I did that yes I'm a normalgod
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>>109392679
there are some free shits but not comparable with proper subscription
maybe try just one (1) month to see if you like it enough
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>>109392718
I might consider forking the money if I find an opportunity but I'm not really turning this into anything that will make me money in return it's just for a personal hobby project so I don't know dude
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>>109392717
Clip your nails
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>>109392734
it's not about making money it's about acquiring an addiction
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>>109392734
hobbies are things you do for fun to pass the time
vibecoding is literally
>throw money at robot because programming became unfun
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Claude says I've used 8% of my Fable budget this week despite not touching it once.
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>>109392734
If the project idea isn't worth $20 to you then it's not worth building.
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>>109392747
saar we need to pay out of your pocket to run fable 5 for our telemetry session saar please understand it very important that dario constitution is enforced in your contexts saar
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>>109392658
It's pretty bad, but I think I can double it since the current MoE implementation is junk
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>>109392836
way better than i expected desu
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Who do you think will be the first big AI CEO to get assassinated?
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hello mr fbi, do you enjoy vibecoding as well?
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>>109392873
>implying
none
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>>109392884
How naive can you be?

>>109392882
I don't want anyone to get assassinated, but it's bound to happen soon or later. It's like a big earthquake, we all know the tension is building but we can't do anything about it. These people do not take security seriously enough.
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yes of course, agent smith - totally natural like your mom's titties
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being employed can feel kinda strange sometime
like you feel like you are putting in less effort than on some random toy projects, yet they are paying you non trivial amount for every minute, like you could pay for your meal and rent in an hour, and the rest of the day's payment can be spend on whatever you want
maybe money is fake and gay and everything is supposed to be free? idk?
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>>109387317
Haven’t visited one of these threads in a long time and I like CP2077.
Could you elaborate on what you’re doing?
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>>109392704
t.aicg proxyfag
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Found the vibecoder's flag
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>>109393198
But it is? I'm not sure what people are struggling with.
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>>109393223
Well I don't know about "struggling" but I'm 8 hours into what should have been a 2 hour slop app.
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English doesn't have the words to adequately express how much I hate this fucking fuckass face
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>>109392403
some are /submaxxing/
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>>109392403
i have claud $20 and it mostly does the trick.

>t. former excel guy, now developer :)
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>>109392648
learning to code to build your app/project will be thousands of times slower than paying €20 a month. I don't think you understand how much faster vibeslopping is. By the time you are in any way competent at snail coding and have your first usable app made we'll be building space colonies and real life robot gfs with AI.
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>>109393336
he's got the proportions of a toddler but with a hairy jew's (not that there's anything wrong with that) face
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>>109392873
I really hope it's Elon
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>>109393198
Most of what I vibeslop is specifically because it actually is easy
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>>109388765
I'd say around next summer we should have a 32gb vram model that matches opus 5.
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>I really hope it's Elon
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>>109393336
he looks like that guy from "Honey I Shrunk the Kids" except significantly fatter and less relatable
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>>109393154
>The larger project, Ghostline, is really a quest-creation system. The Ghostline storyline is its playable prototype and integration test. The goal is to describe quests through smaller, human-readable manifests covering characters, dialogue, phone messages, objectives, meetings, encounters, world placements, localization, deliveries, and rewards. Compilers then turn those manifests into the large, fragile CR2W graphs and resources the game expects.
>There are generators and inspection tools for quest phases, scenes, journals, NPCs, world streaming, localization, voice-over maps, and packaging. Reusable quest blocks can express flows such as “receive a call, meet an NPC, breach a guarded relay, collect an item, and deliver it,” while validators check references, graph structure, and serialized output.
Repost of the explanation when someone asked the other day
It's expanded a fair bit since then, I've got a lot more reusable quest blocks, from basic ones like hack_access_point, investigate_clues, escort_npc, enter_vehicle to advanced ones like braindance in that video, cyberpsychos >>109389764 etc.
I've got a new quest planned that demonstrates most of the currently supported quest blocks, pic related
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so what happened to the other thread
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>>109393581
Janny is a luddite
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>>109388609
They all come across as men to me except Gemini which feels like a woman. Makes sense since she's slightly dumber than the others.
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Why OP gotta get himself banned repeatedly? Don't make me make a new OP, I will let a clanker do it and it will be bad.
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New
>>109393630
Worse
>>109393630
Thread
>>109393630
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>Grok 4.6 releases around August 7. This will be the 1.5T model with significantly improved SFT & RL.

>Grok 4.7 will be the 2.1T model released a few weeks later. This will be better than 4.6 in every way, except slightly slower to serve, albeit with even better token efficiency.
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>>109393649
Yeah Elon (CURSOR/GROK AI DIVISION) is now distilling kimi 3.0 to enhance grok 4.5.

Cursor made composer 2.5 from kimi 2.6.



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