You eq you lose. You get mad you double lose.

Show me ur DAPs reddit, im looking for inspiration

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>>109507490
Nothing comes close.

>>109507479
Lose what? Reddit karma?

The Game.

Buy iems or headphones > need EQ > device is shit then and I'm not paying for that > instant return
Simple as that, fixing mistakes of big companies for free is 3rd world coded

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>>109507490

>>109507717
Looks like my old galaxy mini

>>109507712
Then either you have no gear or no ears.

>>109507750
But for real, what phone is this? Galaxy s?
Kinda look like galaxy mini but hard to say, that generation is like 15years old

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>>109507712
This thread is NPC contrarian poorfag central:
>uooh look at this perfect graph
plus
>you must EQ
but
EQ changes the graph drastically, invalidating 1, also sounds like shit compared to OG tuning invalidating 2.
I just like what I buy out of the box for what it is and small differences between sets, no amount of foaming anons will make me touch EQ.

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>>109507800
If your EQ looks like some graph you fucked up. What EQ of someone that uses his ears looks like.

>>109507800
>EQ ... sounds like shit compared to OG tuning
Why you gotta self-report like that, bro.

>>109507833
>heaadpoosdotcom
Ask mr audio expert about his Audioquest Nighthawk review

>>109507907
What about it. Didn't watch.

>>109507712
headphones and IEMs behave differently on different heads. it has nothing to do with "mistakes of big companies"
>>109507800
60 IQ take

>>109507907
do you retard think anybody here actually is watching headphones.com shit?
they have some useful data their reviews or opinions are irrelevant

>locking yourself out of the most comfortable options because of "sound quality"
Couldn't be me.

I needed a dac for under $500 but it's for a speaker amp not iems
But there's no speaker general so I'm just posting it here
Ended up going with the schiit mimir cause it has the 3 band eq and preamp capabilities so that saves me 100 bucks on a dedicated eq
Is that rly the best you can get under $1000 or is it beaten out by chinese shit

>>109508455
just get some recent Topping.

>>109508473
Eh I wasn't really satisfied with my dx3 pro
Plus id still need an eq so like $200+~100 for the eq deck would end up costing as much as a mimir

>>109508491
Maybe Fiio r2r DACs

I really liked the look and the cable of last threads orange Hiby Yula iems, are they worth a purchase? I have only ever tried one iems, KZ ATE and I like their sound. I like a bit warmer sound with bass. I listen to some music and play shooters with iems. My budget is around 50 euros Yulas would cost. Are there other orange iems that would fit my preference and budget?

>>109508537
Ya that may work but it's a bit more expensive than what I got

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4EWWrqTd8
headphones chads, we are eating good

>>109508455
I'm using motu m4 for my 2.1 system and doing all the processing in APO. Since you're talking about EQ boards you probably won't be using an OS, minidsp is made for that purpose. Even a DSP dongle would do this job, but I assume you need analog inputs.

>>109508637
Yeah this is strictly tv > optical >amp >speakers
I thought about a mini dsp but they're like $500 themselves

>>109508701
if you can DIY... https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/introducing-dspi-a-powerful-user-friendly-and-open-source-dsp-for-less-than-a-cup-of-coffee.69343/

>>109508455
Wtf, you're willing to pay $500 for the ability to EQ? But anon told me EQ is for the poor!

>>109508455
>schiit mimir cause it has the 3 band eq
LOL 3-band EQ? WiiM stuff has 10-band PEQ and they fit your budget and inputs

>>109509032
For speakers you have to eq them for your room not just for your ears. I have like 5000 dollar speakers but they still need to be eqed

>>109509064
Ya I'm hoping having the eq on the dac will eliminate some of the clipping I was having using a dedicated eq deck. I'm kind of replacing a few items at once here and wanted a good all rounder that would be both a really good dac, a good preamp and a good eq. I had a 6 band eq before but found the 6 band was a bit too much for what I actually needed, adding a couple extra knobs that could have been condensed a bit.

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>>109509069
Nooo, they should sound good out of the box... send them back and buy better speakers...

/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.


This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

>eq shitbuds to perfection
>still need to deal with bad mixed stuff
nice hobby

>>109509229
he should buy 5 usd speakers and EQ them to perfection

>>109506669
>for example saying everything needs eq
it's like saying all TV and PC screens need color correction.
so dumb.

never used EQ, AMA

>>109509367
>nice hobby
once you find a balance out of making sacrifices in expectations and compromises in tradeoffs, things fall into place easier to just hit play and enjoy.

>>109509367
i only listen sublime mixed flac files ripped stright from tidal and qobuz

>>109509370
can't eq good directivity in
>>109509374
retarded 60 iq analogy

>>109509571
>"I need attention so I'm going to shit on everybody's opinions that aren't my own"

>>109509571
It's actually a perfect analogy. Everyone agrees that screens need color correction, but when you suggest audio needs correction too retards flip their shit for some reason.

>>109509374
even if all tvs needed correction, they are made to be the same and are corrected toward a external reference. iems are not

>>109509571
>can't eq good directivity in
As if iemg can afford big rooms and listening in the far field. Most people are using cheap monitors in a tiny ass room... The listening position in the nearfield is mostly direct sound. You can fix the on-axis response using anechoic data, and you're set.

>>109509636
>even if all tvs needed correction
getting a new TV calibrated is pretty common practice for over a decade now if buyig it from a storefront.
>they are made to be the same
TVs? no. what is this "external reference"?

>>109509680
so do you need to calibrate it or not?
i mean that tvs are supposed to have the same white point value etc. iems are deliberately tuned away

>>109509788
>tvs are supposed to have the same white point value etc
says who? I'm sticking to my original statement, not saying all TVs need to be calibrated and color corrected. nice catch!

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still one of the best tws out there

>>109509869
idk. hard to know whos who here sometimes

>>109510052
it's an anonymous image board. not a forum.
needing to know who's who is mental illness. it's as if there's any credibility involved whatsoever....this includes OP and eqguide author, etc. no credibility and shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>109508538
Yula is decent. More neutral than ate but not in the brighter direction. Epz g20 pro is more orange but the sound is brighter.

>>109509493
It's over.

>>109507712
Everyone has different ears and no iems will sound ideal for you or of the box.
If you care about audio quality you should eq even if you bought 500$ pos that are no better than iems a tenth the price.

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Harman + 3dB bass boost + JM-1 pinna = SCIENTIFIC ENDGAME

>>109510688
why do you think eq is more common in the budget tiers? you don't hear of people eq'ing flagships often. do they just have better ears and skill?

>>109510874
>treble ear rape enters the ear canal
>if the IEM is cheap: damn, that treble is shit, I should EQ it
>if the IEM is expensive: damn, the detail is insane, that's what I paid for

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>>109507231
Resposting this shit
>Current devices - DAC: Hi by W3II IEM: Letshuoer S08
>budget (100-200), what i am asking its really specific so i can justify expenses
>idk about frequency response but i just like bases, really like atmospheric music and aphex twins
Need bluetooth DAC that has the following features
>Can be used wirelessly and as a usb dongle for pc and phone
>Has multi point bluetooth connection so that you can connect on several devices at once
>Has small form factor so that it can easily be carried as a clip or otherwise not be that much of a hassle to carry around

Extra points (it doubles as a mp3 player with specific storage. like picrel which would be ideal if it had multipoint bluetooth but it doesnt.)

Looking for another dac since mine just had the jack strips come off the pcb and have to send it to repair so might as well look for another one whenever it shits the bed again

>>109510009
straight facts

>>109510711
all that to say SoundGuys target

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>>109507490
heres what I use

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>>109510711
>Harman + 3dB bass boost
Vague. Harman has a bunch of curves. OE/AE 2018, IE 2019, MoA 2025. That doesn't mean much.
>JM-1 pinna
Vague. Raw or tilted JM-1?
>pinna
The correct term is ear gain, unless you're talking past 4 kHz stuff.

>>109511577
>I'm the IEM expert and you're all wrong

>>109511577
>The correct term is ear gain
source?

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>>109511312
*fox target

>>109511925
*deaf target

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Legacy brands are something else.

>>109512206
taking a 711 graph at face value is really something else

>>109512222
Not knowing stereo is made from two channels is something else.

>>109512242
Assuming what an anon knows and doesn't know is something else.

>>109512247
>he doesn't know

>>109512254
>and that's seriously something else

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>noooo!! 711 bad!! bad tuned stuff can do a 180 and magically fix the wonkiness in a different test fixture!!

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That will be $50k, sirs.

>>109512222
>I don't believe FR is real but here's why this FR is bad

>>109512386
instead of consolidating your posts into one you choose to shit the thread up. and that's really something else

>>109512247
He always self-identifies by saying 711 is unreliable, no assuming here. His explanation why is because it's cheaper. He also thinks IEM graphs are only smooth because they're an average of multiple measurements. Just a glimpse into what we're dealing with here.

>>109512461
what is this fanfiction?

Which IEMs with pseudo-custom shells are the most aggresively shaped for ergonomics, to the point of fitting some ears like a glove and not fitting other ears at all depending on anatomy?

Did anybody else have trouble adjusting to iems and eventually got over it? Trying my second pair and still causing discomfort and pain after an hour or two almost two weeks later. Tried a few different tips and sizes as well, love not having headphones on all day though.

>>109513018
your ear adjusts to that. just keep wearing it

>>109512585
truthear red

>>109507231
w2c picrel?

>>109513018
which IEMs did you get? maybe you want something with smaller nozzles
I remember long ago KZ as10 (or whatever it was) were really fucking up my ears no matter the eartips I used. Then I got moondrop aria and they were simply disappearing in my ears (with cp145 spinfits)

>>109513719
simgot supermix 4 and meze alba.

>>109513915
they have pretty different fit is one better than other or both hurt the same?
You can always try softer tips like moondrop spring tips.
Your ears will probably adjust in the end

>>109513915
meze albo should be fine, its good practice to buy pack or more of different eartips shapes so u can try them but usually what is in the box is fine for me. If u dont like jaming tips deep inside u can either buy short bore eartips like coffee eartips or use softer eartips with same lenght. Othe thing is vents, sometimes if IEM isnt vented pressure inside ear canal will build up

>>109508632
>aeon core might be closer to actual harman OE 2018 because they were using similar ear for measurements
that's interesting
Dan Clark apparently said that it's much easier to make a more colorful headphone than neutral because with neutral one any coloration will stand out. And as we know there's no universal neutral for headphones... Both resolve and listener reinforced that opinion based on their experience with equalizing headphones to their HRTF using in-ear mics.
Maybe that's why all harman targets are so V-shaped? because people will prefer standardized colored target vs poorly fitting "neutral". There also was a study with similar conclusions.

What's a good iem for video editing? Preferably cheap

>>109509367
that's for audioph*les and other degenerates
Real human beings don't waste time on eq and just hit play

>>109514472
truthear hexa

>Go to Michelin star restaurant: urge to drown their food in spices instead of enjoying it as is
>Get well made IEM: urge to EQ the shit out of it instead of enjoying it as is
I'm starting to see a pattern here

>>109513289
um maven 3

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>Modern fatigue free tuning
I'm tired of this rehashed slop. Nobody is taking chances below $500

>>109514423
There was another study where people liked soundguys about as much as harman despite them being very different. Maybe it's all about the bass to treble balance.

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>>109514514
Imagine looking at IEMs and seeing food.

imagine going on fat rant because someone did one line food analogy

>>109507231
really, a star of david??? who would wear that?

is the multiverse really worth it?

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>>109514699
If you can't read a nutrition label then you can't read a spec sheet.

>>109514514
60 IQ analogy
Honestly your retardation really does stem from your inability to comprehend that EQ is indistinguishable from analog tuning. It's understandable that you can't understand it but it's a simple truth.
But there's also a second part where you think that "well made IEM" is a thing. The chances that you find an IEM that will fit your HRTF AND will not have destructive length modes is extremely low. With how clueless companies are about IEM tuning I'd say zero even.

>>109514619
literal scam

>>109514619
>Linsoul Avant (prototype)
>Linsoul Avant—the first IEM I've ever seen simply under the Linsoul name—delivers prominent, rounded-feeling bass that seems to prioritize sub-bass rumble over mid-bass body. This is accompanied by slightly scooped low-center mids and a forward upper treble. Which is to say... it's an IEM in 2026. Not much different here, to my ear, from whatever else is available on the market (especially from other Linsoul brands).
>Ergonomically, the shell feels a bit large and suffers from noticeable driver flex upon insertion. Ultimately, it feels like a very typical IEM that does little to make itself distinct in a crowded market, which is a bit of a shame considering I was expecting the first "Linsoul in name" product to offer a bit more universality and refinement than I felt it ultimately had.
lol 6 drivers and $500 for 1DD tier tuning
why are companies so fucking clueless? AAAAAAAA

>>109514619
u can try MEMS for like 200USD (i think i even saw something much cheaper with mems driver on aliexpress but dont remember what it was)
So u are paying for metal shell

>>109514600
do they make one that looks like that but isn't jewish?

>boutique brand: $100 components and $1400 tuning tip
>hidfi chifi factory: $190 components and $10 tuning tip
How come Symphonium can put 4BAs in their stuff and tune it to perfection and best OEMs can offer are 10 drivers and +10dB +10dB U shape?

>>109514829
sivga que utg are unrelated, but a sleeper hit.

>>109514472
>good iem for video editing
lol

>>109514861
Can you explain to me what's the point in sucking "boutique brand"'s cock? I do not get it
>tune it to perfection
unless it's individually tuned it's far from perfection

>>109514920
>individually
biggest cope.
>good stock tuning doesn't exist because human variance.
>I'll judge an IEM by its graph anyway

>>109514941
>biggest cope.
How so?
>>good stock tuning doesn't exist because human variance.
good maybe exists... perfect? nor really
>>I'll judge an IEM by its graph anyway
For me pretty much any deep fit IEM will sound like shit I don't even need to look at the graph.
Why are you trying to conduct an argument this way btw?

>>109514920
Can you explain to me what's the point in sucking dime a dozen chinese sweatshops cocks? I do not get it

>>109514962
literally nobody does that tho?

>>109514954
>trying to conduct an argument
I gave my opinion. that's not an argument.
you replied, which isn't an argument either. are you anticipating one?

>>109514991
what opinion? That boutique's cock is superior?

>>109514771
>i dont understand this so it must be dumb

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>>109514861
$100 components, $10 tuning tip and $1400 faceplate tip

>>109514999
Who are you quoting?

>>109514991
>are you anticipating one
I'm anticipating some dogshit none answer that has nothing to do with anything I asked

>>109514879
>wood grain
fvcking kino...
thanks anon

>>109514998
>boutique's cock is superior?
is it?
>>109515016
>anticipating some dogshit none answer that has nothing to do with anything I asked
non* what is your first language?

>>109515007
you. i thought it was funny when you called it a 60 iq analogy despite not understanding it

>>109515020
>60 IQ fat fuck thinks there's something about his food analogy people don't understand

>>109515037
Why do you think I didn't understand it?

>>109515020
>is it?
you tell me

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>you see, it's actually very complicated, there are multiple layers to this

>>109515052
I didn't make that analogy post, anon. you're getting way too angsty about all this..

>>109515074
I'd like to know what your first language is first

>>109515020
Nigga so predictable everyone knows what he's going to say.
>some dogshit none answer that has nothing to do with anything I asked

>>109515091
you don't realize you're talking to multiple anons, obviously since you're throwing shit at the wrong person.
we're talking about IEMs, you sure are emotional for some reason

>>109515062
because you answered it as if the point was mainly that eqing ruins the sound when it was more about whether different presentations is something to experience rather than immediately correct to your preferred one. i think a lot of people prefer everything to sound the same and dont really imagine anything else. it's just the assuredness that annoys me

inbefore ok but i dont enjoy sibilance or whatever

>>109515097
If it's multiple anons how is it your posts that get predicted every single time?

>>109515084
french

>>109515108
apparently you're a psychic, or you anticipate bullshit arguments constantly? that's a you problem. you're kinda missing the plot

>>109507231
>Qudelix 5K
no longer in production init

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>>109515114
You don't need to be a psychic to predict what a 60 IQ is going to say.

>>109515100
You see your analogy doesn't deserve more than couple of words of dismissal so there rest of my answer actually is not about it, I was talking more about the overall state of your retardation and its source
ignorance is basically your main problem
we can also talk about why do you think you need analogy in the first place or why do you think point you were trying to convey was actually good or worth bringing up.

>>109515122
https://www.qudelix.com/products/qudelix-5k
?

>>109515135
interesting. so why are you bickering anyway? you're still talking to multiple anons and now you're fixated on me.
you successfully wormed your way out of the interaction you were probably losing between you and the other anons and now I'm the scapegoat.
this general would be great if you didn't keep trying to turn it into a shit throwing fest with your drama, honestly. plus only a schizo like you thinks they know exactly who they're talking to lol

>>109515135
so you edited the screenshot in your favor. proves nothing

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>>109515173
"interesting"
Ballzo when he finally understands a sentence after 8 explanations.

>>109515173
can 2nd multiple anon show himself? which retarded post was his?

>>109515140
i didn't write it i just observed that you didn't understand/appreciate all of it.
the point of the analogy seems to be just what i said and i think it explains a good amount of these arguments. even if it's just a cope for me specifically to cope over my deafness and skill issues or whatever you're imagining it's still worth bringing up

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>>109515179
Literally 2 posts next to each other lmao
>>109500838
>>109500921
Or are you mad the the part that predicts you won't link your point got cut out?

>>109515191
>i didn't write it
Then fuck off?
>still worth bringing up
no it's not
At least length modes and fit should be compensated for cause otherwise you aren't even listening to something close to intended tuning. Or do you need a food analogy to understand that?

>>109515151
>https://www.qudelix.com/products/qudelix-5k
i mean chink ecom ?

>>109515186
interesting, huh? are you a psychic or just actually schizo?

>>109515219
What’s interesting is whether your IQ is 60 or actually 40

>>109515232
I predicted you'd say that.

>>109515236
where

>>109515273
go look. you should screenshot it when you find it, too

>>109515273
In the same place where he wrote his point.
>>109515287
I looked in your mind but it was empty.

it's funny, anon thinking that every point of contention made towards them is by the same person. what a donut

>>109515287
>he did the thing >>109500578

>>109515297
I'd be more concerned about the fact that you are considered on the same level of retardation as ballzo

>>109515325
believe what you want. this thread turned into your drama fantasy quick. do you feel like you actually accomplished something now? lol

>>109515334
schizo ramblings

>>109515360
are you deflating the situation or do you wanna throw a fit again? sad that your world is so small that this is the most excitement and interaction you get in life. whew

>>109515360
oh, and I accept your concession from this nothing burger "conversation"

>>109509367
Audiophiles say this but I've only ever seen outright bad mixes on dubplates made for particular sound systems(so not even meant to be played on something neutral) and in metal. Most music is good actually, it's the headphones that are the problem most of the time.

>>109515530
much of that shit maybe isnt bad mixed but its just flat and boring. If good IEMs or headpos are tingling ur brain with details u want them more and more. And then comes modern spotify top100 music that sound like shit because it was made for phone speakers and so on so there isnt really much going on.

I like that kind of popular music like EDM, rap, pop but with less capable devices. Maybe that is why hd600 series is so beloved, it makes u listen to music.
By good audiophile music I mean music that has lots of stuff in it, like maybe concert hall recording, acoustic music, maybe even electronic music in some cases. Music that can push ur system and that works well with detailed IEMs or planar headphones.

I have lot of problems with bass quantity. Regardless of iem or headpos that i am using its never just right, one song might be ok, next might be too much, next might be too little. Some of it really work well if that 1 iem i have but some of it boomy and bleeds into midrange. Aprat from changing EQ profile for every song I don't think there is any solution

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>>109515002
That's where the techs are stored.

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>>109515729
>By good audiophile music I mean music that has lots of stuff in it,
>names music that has no stuff in it
Every time. Music should be extremely dense to reveal the tuning flaws. The opposite of audiophile music, which hides the flaws. That music isn't made for phones, it's just headphones are worse than phones.

>>109515729
>Maybe that is why hd600 series is so beloved
it's beloved because it's relatively non expensive, DF tuned headphone with a lot of parts available for maintenance .It sounds mostly neutral for most people. Its only problem is no bass

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>>109515799
The peqdb guy... >>108988652

>>109515799
I meant something like that
https://youtu.be/8APog61kTwQ?si=XTblGhfqB_633lWJ
For me there is lots of stuff here and if headphones isn't good for the job lots of details gets smeared.
For me dense music is shit like dubstep or edm and I must say, IEMs feels better for that, maybe due to punchier bass or maybe due to more predictable higher frequencies so I have all excitement I need without worrying about high fq peaks like with headphones.

>>109515821
It's beloved because it's easy listen, u can play iphone recording of street musician and it won't be like u are missing too much compared to properly recorded song. But if I use this with recording form link above it would be fine but it can be much better with more detail oriented headphones or items. Bass is problematic but with newer Sennheisers and other dds it's looks like they fixed it.

>>109515894
>it can be much better with more detail oriented headphones or items
meaning?

>>109515973
>meaning?
techs

>>109515991
no I'm asking about details.
can you timestamp which details are better with detail oriented headphones? From the concert you linked

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>Fox techs

>>109507231
anons, what would be a solid upgrade to go from a Moondrop lan?

>>109513105
But it's not ergonomic at all, just a bulky shell with supposedly universal design. No contouring at all.
I meant something like Aful Explorer that has curved nozzles, anti-tragus catches and so on, but unlike Aful, which is still contoured with most ears in mind, it has to be even more aggresively contoured to really resemble something custom-molded which happens to be universal.

>>109516038
Damn that lil nigga retarded...

>>109515894
if you want maximal density without congestion iems have a higher ceiling for that ime. more intense yet easier to follow

>>109516100
depends
what's wrong with lan?

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>>109516341
Eh, when you add the wing, it's bound to annoy some people with small ears. PP8 had so many complaints back in the day that they released an S model.

>>109514488
Thanks

>>109517652
That's what I'm talking about. Not the most comfortable fit for the majority of people like Aful, but more of an edge case offered as a commercial product.
Something that 10% of the population, after shoving into their ears, would say:
>holy fuck it's perfect, custom iems are a scam
while the remaining 90% would say:
>unusable shit, uncomfortable as fuck, total waste of money
I want to give it a try and hopefully hit the lucky 10%, knowing that the odds are against me. I want only the most contoured pos that for outsiders look like a medical product and not earphones. The key only for chosen ears, still technically universal, but just one step from being custom.

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>everything is FR bloody benchod
>you can EQ anything to anything
>except replicate muh aykaygee coaxial driver qualities on other drivers
??????

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>>109516100

>>109518600
>I also know everything about how music is supposed to sound

>>109518600
Yeah, there's literally no explanation why smooth treble achieved by hardware tuning is any different from software tuning. And it's not even from the driver, he had to plug a hole in the treble with different tips, so it's really all placebo. At least he did say he's using deep insertion, so he's at least trying to align his own peak with 8k, but with how insecure the fit on them is it's probably placebo too.

>>109516100
Truthear Hexa.

>>109519104
wrong

>>109519186
explain how

>>109507231
oy vey

>>109519104
right

maybe i should get on the storm waitlist. should be easy to sell if i want to anyway

>>109520184
selling at a loss for you is only a win for the buyer

>>109516100
just eq to a more expensive pos' curve

>waitlist
Artificial scarcity really works with science illiterate people, huh.