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>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/
German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

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How we holding up lads?

>>109608228
Not good

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>pc having issues, random BSODs
>first thing i do is run memtest86, runs clean for 8 hours
>new cpu, mobo, psu, still having issues
>re-test ram in y-cruncher, fails nearly immediately
>send it back for RMA
>brand-new kit arrives two weeks later
>runs y-cruncher for 8 hours without any issues
>ten days later pc starts BSODing again
>y-cruncher still fine
>memtest86 fails almost immediately
it's been two months since i had a working computer. i just want it to work

>>109608228
luigi tyme

>>109608339
If you run XMP/EXPO it's PEBCAK

>>109608362
XMP off, i might be retarded but i'm not THAT retarded

Prediction on cxmt/ai bubble, using a 16 gigs with a 9070 xt and 9800x3d is annoying

why shouldn't I get a 5500? It's $80 n just works

>>109608409
unironically millons of people are doing this going by the sales charts
everyone is tired of enabling this current high tier kikery, at some point the bubble will become a nuclear one and they will come back begging with new am4 and lga1700 stuff because everyone should refuse to buy new mobos and ram

>>109608409
gimped cache

>>109608339
you replaced all components that could cause random bsods and it's still happening? have you tried replacing yourself?

>>109608409
also very low power and heat, slap on a decent fan and it's whisper quiet at low rpm

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What were the dark ages of PC building?

>>109608536
sis? we're in one.

>>109608339
Turn off memory context if on amd so that you force your PC to retrain memory on every boot and not become unstable over time

>>109608536
capacitor plague

>>109608339
Are you sure the CPU isn't the cause of these issues? Every memory stress test is a CPU stress test.
Go to the BIOS to confirm the CPU power limits are set to sane levels (PL1 & PL2 for Intel, PPT for AMD) before you run CPU stress tests.
Run Prime95 SmallFFT afterwards, it will test the CPU cores & cache.
You also might want to change the maximum CPU operating temperatures to levels you're comfortable with (85~90°C).

>>109608339
>new cpu, mobo, psu, still having issues
all three new?
did you have a chance of trying a different one of those
>runs y-cruncher for 8 hours without any issues
i see it starts to shit itself after an acutal stress test, try a different psu, power cord, try everything related to cables too, make sure everything is plugged correctly, clean too
inb4 sudoku intlel or am5 asrock

>>109608339
Did you install the OS in a clean, formatted drive?
Use DISM & then /sfc if you haven't.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/experience/backup-recovery/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system-files

If this doesn't fix the issue, you probably need to backup your porn, other important files, and format the OS drive.

>>109608536
when I had a dell from 2004 in 2011 as my main rig

So I have a ryzen 7600 with a 6800xt and 32gb of ram, and have a chance to get a 9800x3d or a 7800x3d, also have no plans for now to upgrade the 6800xt. Getting those 3d chips is an absolute waste right?

>>109608519
not yet, but i'm getting there
>>109608555
i'm incel, but thanks
>>109608584
this is all stock settings
>>109608625
all 3 new, yes. replaced them one at a time. i've actually gone through 3 cpus - first one failed, i got an RMA replacement for that and also bought an upgrade while I waited
>>109608634
i did a fresh windows install when my new ram came

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apM1C55SevE

bad news for amd owners

>>109608681
>fake frames
nobody uses that shit, i'd rather turn down settings than turn on FG, FSR 4.1 works just fine

>>109608713
yeah you better wait until amd fixes the frame pacing issues or buy nvidia

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>>109608681
>>109608713
As an Aussie, we apologize for Hardware Unboxed

>>109608713
The drone helplessly flails around while greens have been enjoying our smooth and accurate DLSS FG for years...

>>109608768
>loves fake frame slop
hard to respect you sir

>>109608787
>FSR is OK but FG is not
at what point does the frame become 'fake slop'?

>>109608800
>fg insertion between real frames vs. real frames upscaled
i'm a literalist

>>109608672
Get a refund on all the components and start over.

>>109608830
your FSR frames are 30-70% fake though

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>>109608848
it's more a timing thing

>>109608836
can't refund the parts that work but I'm getting real close to just selling them individually and starting fresh

how many pasokons (PCs) do you have

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>>109608198
>Midrange: 5060 TI 16GB

yeah you might wanna check the price on that these days

>>109608870
the prices havent risen equally everywhere and OP's dont check every price tracker for each unique location

>>109608870
>16gb vram
>comes with free gpu btw
grim state of things

>High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
is the 5080 completely off the map now?

>>109608887
no it might be the more reasonable option if 5070 ti is too expensive

>>109608887
It's where it's always been: $1500
I'd argue it's on the map since the 5070ti is now $1200 and the 5090 is now $4500

>>109608907
It was originally supposed to be $750 vs $1000. So it is actually in a better relative place right now. Never was worth +33% but +25% is more arguable for the relatively small increase in performance.

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>he bought the oled

>>109608984
not yet
but i'm running out of reasons not to

>>109608984
enjoy accruing more 1000:1 contrast viewing hours before you die

>>109608984
I'm waiting for the rog 24 inch oled

>>109608787
I don't love it, but I tried 2x frame gen in Space Marine 2 because that game makes my 5700X3D sweat really hard in horde mode, and it's not terrible if you're natively at 60+fps. It's good enough to where I prefer it over spending $1k to go to AM5 for an equivalent number of real frames.

what's the cheapest pc I can build to play gears e day at 60fps 1080p? I don't mind going used for the gpu

My setup is montec air 903 max with 3*140 mm front intake, 1* 140 mm rear exhaust and top mounted cooler master atoms 360 mm AIO.

Will my case maintain positive pressure?

>>109609194
I dont even know how to go about these
cheapest pcs have 8gb vram gpus and reccing those feels retarded
amd gpus have uneven frame gen frame pacing so you want nvidia
cheap nvidia gpus dont really exist at playable vram amounts so you need to buy a 5070 (before the prices go even more)


idk, check out some prebuilts with entry level 16gb vram gpus or used pcs

>>109609213
It'll be fine.
Set custom fan curves where the front and rear 140mm run at higher RPM than the 120mm radiator fans.

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>red and yellow mobo light on boot
>think the ram isn't properly seated because the rgb lights on it dont turn on
>everything online says just shove it in as hard as possible until you hear a click
>push it down with all my might
>RAM clamps explode off and slot splits down the middle

>>109608866
Probably depends on what counts as a PC. Is my home server a PC? Is my Steam Deck a PC? Is my iPad a PC?

>>109609399
smooth move cracker jack

>>109609399
I did something even dumber. I forgot the PCIE retention clip was a thing around when they first started appearing about 20 years ago.
>unscrew gpu, try pulling it out
>man it's really in there wtf
>pull so hard I rip the entire fucking slot off the board

>>109609399
yeah inserting ddr5 seems super dangeous due to the force required
if you use a surface with any give it seems worse

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>>109609438
>>109609469
>>109609481
is the stick fucked too?

>>109609550
doesnt seem bad outside
who knows if anything is damaged inside

>>109609550
looks like it nicked the pin but it's probably fine

>>109609567
>>109609582
got it into another slot, lights turn on now hope that's a good sign, but the mobo still give the red and yellow lights
something with the cpu? gonna dive into it tomorrow, that's enough fucking things up for today

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>>109608339
Post parts. Just saying you got problems won't narrow it down due to vague guessing. Where's your list of hardware.

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>>109608681
>hardware unboxed
They've had a clear bias against AMD since even before Zen was released. The amount of sperging they did during Zen 1-3 was cringeworthy as they kept defending Intel down the drain.

>>109609374
Rear fan RPM should be lower than front intake,right?

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jannies ought to split this general between general PC building and new PC building. new builds are only for the employed. most of /g/ is bots and NEETs.

>>109609399
Pics??

>>109609550
The pin looks barely ok
If the black part isn't a burn mark then it's good to go

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>>109608984
>waiting for burn-in to be fixed
>economy will collapse long before its fixed or economical

>have a 2x16 kit of ddr4 where one stick developed errors on fixed addresses in memtest86+, even in swapped slots
>pop them into new motherboard I recently switched to
>no errors after one pass when they would always show up at the same point on the previous board
>the second kit I was using on the first board didn't have any issues
I don't get it. Sitting in its clamshell packaging for 5 months couldn't possibly have done anything to bring whichever IC crapped out back?

>>109608668
Game dependent, but yeah without upgrading the GPU kinda retarded

>>109608870
Your salary became lowend

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>>109608984
>she didn't boughted the brighest qdoled on the market

>>109609008
the 24" oled is worse than the 27" 1440p 500hz ones running 24" mode because you get a higher effective res and the exact same hz as the 24" monitor will have, effectively you already have that monitor right now but better
that is if you just cant move the monitor back a few inch so it effectively becomes a 24" with the same viewing angle
did you know this or not?
in short, it's an IQ test
unless of course its genuinely LOT cheaper

>>109609850
with extended warranties, free panel replacmenets, buying open box, fuck buying used cheap as fuck, combining one or several or all of these strats and or abusing them, oled tvs as a monitor become extremely economical, I've been telling you this for years at this point
they also cost less than monitors for the 4x the size
the only remainding copes are either ignorance or retardation

What do you lads think my best option is for scrapping together a used GPU for under £200/$300?

>>109610234
for one avoid last gen amd
Nvidia 30xx gpus are pretty old, so youd need thermal pad change
So 4060, 4070 type gpus?

OLED has permanent refresh rate flicker.

OLED-goys literally getting brain damage as we speak, but all they can complain about is "burn-in"

>>109610272
Still looking at about £300 for a 4060 on ebay.
Which honestly isn't as bad as I expected, but it's still not great.
There's a few Titan XPs for between £150-200, and that might honestly be the best option.

>>109610299
Since new 5060's have been sold at 300€ I dont think its a specially great offer

>>109610306
Yeah, not brilliant.

>>109610234
I never buy anything secondhand because I feel like I have no idea where it's been.

>>109610234
I checked some ebay prices, you are probably stuck with 30xx cards in that price range.

>>109610385
second hand PC parts are ok. just have the seller test it for you if in person. i've gotten used parts before and it's worked out well.

>>109610470
that's good to hear

>>109610487
yeah all you need is invite the seller into ur apartment
install the gpu and run couple stress tests before handing out the money

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>>109608536

>>109610501
no, dingus. it can be done out of the back of a car. spluh. or just record a video like a sane person

>>109608565
this.

the 386-pentium era was rough from what i understand. parts would drop in value very quickly and the replacements would be exponentially faster since moores law was still in effect.

>>109610385
they're too big and too pointy to be inserted into someone's anus, anon

I wanna go back to the early 2010s when hardware was cheap and everything wasn't plastered with LEDs.

Any non schizo reason for why the 9050 4GB exist?

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Is this i dare to say, the best air cooler on the market right now?

>>109610815
>single tower
never going to be better than dual tower
>muh """"3D"""" pipes
Less surface area is less surface area for heat to move

>>109610810
it hardly exist
you cant buy it
the oems build systems with it, but who knows what the target audience is
amd just supplys the oems

>>109610810
It's a laptop GPU that is too inefficient to be inside a laptop. Same as RTX 5050.

>>109610810
its a shit yield of the 9060xt

>>109610826
Just remove the heat from the surface before it becomes a problem then dummy.

>>109608668
I heard the x600 chips run hot and burn more power despite having 2 cores less. the 2 flawed cores probably make some shortcuts or something. I don't think an upgrade is worth it cost wise tho. maybe wait until zen6 drops and prices fall. good thing is zen4 and 5 are useless for ai so no demand for them and thus their prices can only go down.

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>>109610815
No.

>>109610897
In theory the lower core count chips can boost higher and that will give you extra heat.

>>109608668
you'll want at least a 4080/5070ti/9070xt before upgrading the cpu

hmmmmm. I can't help but notice the lack of a Blackwell 6000 in the OP.

You guys ever worry about having to RMA your parts in the current price climate?

>>109608198
Anyone got a suggestion for a pc case that is built with multiple gpus in mind. Ideally where the gpu sit vertically, spaced apart for best cooling and connected to the mainboard via ribbon cable. The only case I've found that does this is single gpu only.

Can anyone explain why the alc1220 audio codec is important for a motherboard. Is it preferable to alc4080?

>>109610290
VRR is for poors. If you can afford oled and a decent PC and game at 120+ fps screen tearing is unnoticeable

>>109610964
It either works right away or it doesn't and the store offers full refund or exchange.

Anyone got mouse recs to replace my G900?

>>109610969
Sounds like you should be looking at server/mining chassis.

>>109611002
I've thought about it but all I've found in that class are blade/rack servers that are way overkill.

>>109611001
Razer Deathadder

>>109610987
VRR is lower latency than no VRR. Has to do with GPU display engines.

>>109610932
they idle much hotter bro

>>109611060
idle is irrelevant. no cpu is truly idle anyways. open task manager and see how many threads open in cpu tab?

>>109610911
for a single tower that is honestly impressive

>>109610978
alc4080 and 4082 use usb as Interface and this sucks

>>109610290
I've never seen flicker on screen tv or phone
there might be other things causing eye strain, and there's a fuck ton of reasons

>>109611084
I imagine nobody really gives a shit about it being a single tower when dual towers are not any more expensive.

>>109611234
for space constrained builds i guess

I just bought a new PC with nvidia geforce gtx 1070ti, i3-10105, 16GB ram, reinstalled windows on USB stick and installed gpu drivers, also asus app for motherboard which is a PRIME model. I previously had an office level shit PC that barely ran games, so even if this is an old gpu by today's standards its a massive step up to me. I've recently learned about capping the framerate to my monitor's refresh rate and that GPU temps should stay consistent, ideally below 80 C according to google I suppose. Are there any other "gamer" things I should know or am I good to go?

>>109611318
there was something with gsync. Cap framerrate in-game 3 FPS below your monitors max, disable vsync in-game and enable it via the Nvidia control panel but I don't know if people still do this.

>>109611318
Look into undervolting + overclocking the GPU. Also youtube is filled with videos of optimal settings for getting max image quality from older hardware for specific games.

Hey guys

I just finished building my PC, but I don't know why the CPU fan,my “Peerless Assassin”,keeps making a hell of a racket even when I'm just running Windows.
So I used Fan Control, which let me create a fan speed curve. When I'm doing office work, the noise isn't too bad anymore, but when I'm gaming, it's pretty terrible,it sounds like a constant jet engine.

Sometimes, the cpu will rise its temp for just few seconds, and then go back to normal.

Its a ryzen 7 7700x

>>109611900
fell for the tower cooler meme

>>109611900
You live with the noise. It comes with buying a tower cooler.
>cheaper tower cooler -> more noise
>more expensive AIO -> less noise
Have to pick one. Luckily I have a spare bedroom so I moved all my PC and server stuff there so I can use the tower coolers without the noise bothering me.

>>109611900
the 7700x runs hot. best you can do is further tune fan curves/hysteresis settings and give undervolting or eco mode a try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oubGmP4nLbQ

>>109611900
The thingie it supposed to output 42dBA at full power, that's not loud at all. Do you have other fans of similar size to compare them to to see if something's not defective? Nevertheless, a 7700x doesn't need the fans working at full power to be effectively cooled, noise and cooling power aren't linearly related, cutting fan noise in half compared to max volume doesn't mean you're getting half the cooling performance, but actually around 80% of total.

>>109612053
>>109612127
Well I'll maybe go get a bequiet like in my old build kek
>>109612166
I'll watch it, thanks
>>109612219
I unplugged every other fan but the noise comes from the Peerless. I'll play with Fan Control to see if I can improve it

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>>109611900
Get HWInfo and check the idle/low-load temperature.
You might have to tighten the heatsink mounting.
https://youtu.be/Mm4hyIHe1PM?t=607

If that doesn't help, you get what you pay for.

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still going up

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>>109612489
hynix ram is king

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>>109612489
All that extra profit

>>109612320
Alright, I did different things, created my own curve and play RE Requiem.

The cpu temp are good, max 77C but average 61, no more rocket noise.

I will maybe try a good Bequiet in next week to see if there is a big difference or not. BUt yeah, I should have research more before buying, thanks guys.

>>109612489
It's funny to see all the DDR4 capable CPUs rising in price because of this. I'm ALMOST considering a 14600k.

>>109612537
Thermalright coolers should be able to handle that processor just fine.
Check the mounting pressure for the heatsink, you don't have to remove the entire thing.
Slightly tighten the screws if you can, don't apply a lot of force.
Confirm both screws are evenly tightened.

>Shure SM58 mic
>sE DM2 inline preamp
>iCon USB USolo Live X2U interface

Is this a good mic chain?

>>109608198
it's not a gpu, what is that fan bracked called?
and case?

>>109612747
looks like fractal define 7

>>109612747
looks like a fractal define r4

>>109612597
Both of them are good.

>>109612835
>>109612821
t-thanks

>>109612747
>it's not a gpu, what is that fan bracked called?
Host bus adapter (HBA) discussed in last thread >>109597607
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/what-is-host-bus-adapter/

>>109612898
thanks i alredy found it, do they sag?

>>109610385
Buying refurbished corporate or government hardware is usually a safe bet.

>>109612747
The case is a Fractal Define R4. The fan bracket under the HBA is this: https://www.akasa.co.uk/search.php?seed=AK-MX304-12BK

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>>109612945
I don't think the fans will sag, he seems to have 3D printed or bought a 120mm fan mount.

>>109612643
Are you sure you actually need the inline preamp? If you skip it, you can budget in an actually reputable interface like a focusrite that can give you the gain you needed natively. You could also get Behringer's clone of the SM58 for cheaper with barely perceptible quality difference, but that's another matter.

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>>109612872
Thermalwrong fans are pretty tragic @ lower RPMs, but they cost less than $5 to manufacture.

>external 1tb drive fucking dies
>don't necessarily NEED a replacement but would like one
>check prices because surely 1tb drives can't be that ba-
>$40 (rounded) for a refurbished Seagate or private label Dell drive
Come the actual fuck on. This is refurbished junk and old stock, and too low capacity to useful to datacenters.

>>109613198
1 TB drives are terrible value.

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Do M2s with heatsink perform better than naked ssd with the sinks that come with the mobo?

>>109613072
>>109613151
thx

>>109613337
Mobo heatsinks are enough for most drives

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>>109613337
It depends on the motherboard, but the M.2 drives with integrated heatsinks usually run cooler.
The motherboard's SSD heatsink is good enough for most people.
If the SSD is constantly moving massive files, it drive might need active cooling (especially if it's PCIe Gen5 NVMe).

does the ram NEED to be in slots 2 and 4 on an AMD mobo?

>>109613437
Due to how they are wired, yes

about to pull the trigger and buy this pc
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DKdYLy

a solid mid range build for my needs

>>109613437
1 / 3 or 2 / 4

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>>109613337
>heatsink
you need to water cool your ssds

>>109613503
Did you already buy the RAM kit? VColor CL30 costs just a bit more than the cheapest CL36 6000MT/s kit.

NH-D15 is a waste of money in 2026, you're paying a premium for a fan designed over ten years ago.
be Quiet Pure Rock Pro 3 or Scythe Mugen 6 Dual Fan are good enough for that CPU or an 8/12 core X3D in the future.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/be-quiet-pure-rock-pro-3-cpu-air-cooler/7.html

That KTC miniLED has an HVA panel, get it if you want to try out HDR gaming.
Pick one of these IPS if you play a lot of esports games.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QV8Pxr/ktc-h24t7-240-2560-x-1440-185-hz-monitor-h24t7
https://forum.pcmonitors.info/topic/ktc-h24t27-review/

This ASUS ROG monitor's already known to be one of the best budget 1440p gaming monitor.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mgWJ7P/asus-rog-strix-xg27acs-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-xg27acs

That Focus PSU is a bit old with the older ATX 3.0 spec.
This Fractal PSU's built by Seasonic on the newer 3.1 spec, and it probably has similar build quality as the Focus with a better fan (10-year warranty, and it's $10 cheaper).
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VfgZxr/fractal-design-ion-3-gold-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-fd-p-ia3g-850
https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/fractal-ion-3-gold-1000w-psu-review/all/1/
https://www.fractal-design.com/products/power-supplies/ion/ion-3-gold-850w/black/

Check this revised list.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LDHDJw

>>109613552
Where are the tubes

>>109613503
you can save money by buying a cheaper cpu cooler, cheaper case and then ,aybe buy the 7800X3D instead. That PSU has some issues, there are better ones for less money.

>>109613508
>>109613456
I tried putting the sticks in 1 and 3 but I get a solid red and yellow light on the MOBO :c
the RAM does light up though so clearly it's getting power.
can't use slot 2 because I broke it last night trying to install the RAM, which I was apparently trying to install backwards like a retard.
told amazon customer service I fucked it up and they still told me I can return it (they even sent a replacement immediately), so when the new one comes in I'll see if putting the RAM in 2 and 4 will make it work.

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>>109613602
It's so advanced, it doesn't need tubes.

>>109613737
Isn't that just a vapor chamber with more vapor?

For gaming what is a good DDR4 ram to buy (value for money)? is 2x8GB good enough or is 2x16GB better?

>>109613791
16gb is the minimum, 32gb is the recommended.
the former you cant multitask with the game open, the latter you can.

>>109613791
Any in this filtered list should be serviceable.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#Z=16384002,32768002&F=6000000,10000000&S=3200,9600&sort=price&page=1

>>109613816
If I have 1 monitor and don't multitask is 16GB still a minimum requirement for gaming (for a game to run well) or is it safer to have 32GB for gaming?

>>109613758
No, it's water.

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>>109613838
it ultimately varies on the title. if you are using the pagefile it means you dont have enough ram. hwinfo64 can clue you in.

so i decided to go AMD for the first time in a decade and i will get a 9800X3D
what are some good aircoolers for this beast?
its max tdp is a lot lower then Intels so it should not get too hot

i'm gonna make a cute ddr3 shitbox with leftovers and it's going to be glorious.

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>>109613980
Thermalright coolers have good heatsinks paired with cheap ass fans.
be Quiet & Scythe have better fans but their coldplate design prioritized Intel CPU cooling.
I believe Noctua NH-D15 G2 includes an offset bracket to improve Ryzen CPU cooling, but this cooler costs like $180.

>>109613980
hyper 212 can cool up to 165w and the 9800x3d is 120w.

Alright fellas.
Operation Unc Box 2 is a go.

Situation:
My sister asked me to build a PC for my nephew. So, I cobbled together a system with 16GB DDR4, Ryzen 5650G and a 1080Ti.

However, rather than this being a family PC, it's now moved to a "What if we got both of the boys a PC?"
So, I'm now having to cobble together Unc Box 2: Little Bro's PC.

Here's what I've got:

CPU - 7700K
RAM - 16GB DDR4 (Apparently I just had a bunch of DDR4 kits lying around)
MOBO - H110M-DGS (Need to wifi to the machine somehow, motherboard doens't have wifi)
GPU - Only GPU I have spare now is a GTX 1060 3GB, and that seems kinda cruel.

Need:
Case - Was thinking something mATX
CPU - Cooler is needed for the 7700K, it's old, but it's still a 91 TDP
GPU - I'd feel bad giving the little guy a 1060, even if it's just for Minecraft. Ideally something around the power of a 1080Ti.
PSU - Anything works
HDD/SSD - Pricy.

What do you think lads? Think it's even worth trying to scrounge something together, or should I just be looking to buy a used system somebody is flogging for cheap?

>>109614070
noctua is overpriced
looking at the thermalright Phantom Spirit or the peerless assassin 140
I already have a Fractal Design torrent so case size shouldn't be any issue

>>109614103
you want the peerless assassin 120 se, it has more pipes coming from the plate. I know, but thermalright won't get off its ass and release a 140 se... I guess you can install 140mm fans on the 120 se.

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>>109608198
OP pic and my pic related.
Do PC cases with simple fucking slots for HDDs do not exist anymore?

What the fuck is wrong with PC cases?

>>109614158
actually disregard me, the 140 has 6 pipes as well. thermalright model names threw me off.

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>>109614100
>H110M-DGS (Need to wifi to the machine somehow, motherboard doens't have wifi)
There's PCIe WiFi cards or USB dongles.

>CPU - Cooler is needed for the 7700K, it's old, but it's still a 91 TDP
Cooler pricing depends on the region, get an affordable Thermalright or Deep Cool dual tower cooler with 120mm fans.
You can also consider thicker single tower coolers with 120mm fans like the Kotetsu Mark 3.

>GPU - I'd feel bad giving the little guy a 1060, even if it's just for Minecraft. Ideally something around the power of a 1080Ti.
RX 6600XT or 7600 if you don't want to break the bank.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1080-ti.c2877

>Think it's even worth trying to scrounge something together, or should I just be looking to buy a used system somebody is flogging for cheap?
That's your homework, look for used systems with a 1080 Ti level of GPU and do a cost comparison.

>>109614198
gaymer want to show off their bling bling hardware and HDD bays take up space while GPUs are now fuck huge. Anons post here and there more classic cases but you'd have to search in the older threads or hope they are still around. I think my case has four HDD slots if I give up three fans and one more on the backside but it's a fishtank.

If you own a North and have RGB lighting in it then you are gay. (Orange may be an exception)

If your pc has wood on it, u r gay lol

>>109614198
Market forces show that most people don't use more than one HDD. And quite frankly, several HDDs are better off being in a separate home server.

>>109614275
You know it's just not true!

If you don't have an anime girl on one of your pc parts, you are gay.

>>109614288
and how do I fit a 1/4 scale in there dumbass

>>109614267
Does it count if my graphics card has a fixed white light up logo on the side?

>>109614292
only buy 1/4 scale figures of small anime girls

>>109609811
uh oh >>109612633

>>109614251
Even the Fractal Define R4 had the option of removing the HDD cages if you you needed the space for airflow or GPUs.

>>109614251
I do have one old case still around, but it looks all shitty and scuffed, that's why I sometime ago bought a new one. But I hate the new one.
Guess I have to DIY fix the old one then
>>109614282
>And quite frankly, several HDDs are better off being in a separate home server.
Probably.
I used to have one SSD and 2 HDDs. With my new desktop I have one nvme and 2 HDDs now, but the HDDs were full, so I bought a new one, but it'd be pointless to transfer all the stuff from one of them to the new HDD. So having the space for 3 would be nice.

So fixing my old case it is then. Sad

>>109614324
Yes.

Are there even any NJudea GPU's left at MSRP? Even the most turbo of normie gpus like a GT 1030? Anything? I took the shot on the 5060 ti back when it was msrp this time last year and i'm still sweating bullets at how close that cut it with the latest price increases. What could anyone even buy now that isn't used market?

i want an oled
it's so demoralising seeing how much better my tablet and phone look than my actual fucking desktop I spend most of my time on

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>>109614786
The ship has sailed for relatively affordable GPUs, DRAM, and storage.
People who waited this long need to sleep in the bed they made.

>>109614802
There's plenty of discounted OLED monitors in the US.
>I'm not in the US
Oh well.

>>109614886
>People who waited this long need to sleep in the bed they made.

can't really say that to anyone that isn't like us. them's fightin' words they are. but it's true. people read the news 24/7 and get their opinions from it but still don't see obvious patterns somehow.

>>109614901
Normies have social circles, there should be at least (((one person))) who's into these news and warn them to buy their new laptop or storage upgrades, especially since related companies have caught attention through stock investments.
I convinced my friend to spend a bit more to upgrade to the 5070 last year (near MSRP), and I also warned him to buy a 4 TB NVMe drive for $240ish before prices went out of control.
My tech illiterate sister bought a new laptop for less than $700 last year that costs well over $1000 today.

If you're a loner, you're on your own.

>>109612643
I've been told that the inline preamp is "professional" because it allows for more analog gain before hitting an interface and also allows for impedance selection. iCon chinkshit but it seems to at least have good user reviews, plus I want something on the smaller end physically.

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I will never forget popping in SoulCalibur for the first time in 2002...and this is coming from someone that had a high-end PC at the time as well. It was truly remarkable.

>>109614989
It was Oblivion for me first game I ever put 1000+ hours in

>>109614989
I'll never forget playing half-life in software mode on my pentium 133 in 1998

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>>109614989
>60fps
>High polygons
>High resolution (for the time) textures: 128x128, 256x256, 512x512
>Stencil shadows
>Transparency effects
>Great OST

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Bloodborne is extremely impressive for 2015.

Bloodborne devs actually went through and 3D modeled bricks and crevices all over. It's crazy. It has a higher poly density than DS3 easily. And rivals ER in most spots.

Bloodborne and DS3 do share some assets, and Bloodborne always gets the higher resolution version. Likely to get it to run on Xbox One (30FPS @ 900P). PS4 had excellent memory and bandwidth but a mobile CPU, and Xbox one had bad memory design with the esram and a mobile CPU. Jaguar was weak even back in 2013 due to it having weak single core CPU performance, but AMD could offer nothing better at the time. PS4 uses fast 5500MHz GDDR5 RAM, while the Xbox One uses slower 2133MHz DDR3 RAM

Each segment of its world benefits from what appears to be tessellation (or costly parallax occlusion mapping), which in conjunction with a displacement map gives the city's rickety brick roads unique juts and divots. The time of day is meant to change so all lights are dynamic

Bloodborne does have a lot of 1024x1024 textures, buuuut does have higher resolution textures for characters, armor, etc. Admittedly, there are many instances of them using a 2048x2048 texture, but it really just depends on how large the surface it was being applied to is

The Doll is found outside the Workshop, in the Hunter's Dream has 4K textures (4096x2048) though PS4 is running at 1080p

Bloodborne had support for screenspace reflections, but only via the debugmenu (SSR is utilized for in sekiro, elden ring, and ac6)

>Jun Into, lead programmer for Bloodborne, DS1, Demon's Souls says, "up until now we've worked in worlds that feature a lot of armour." However, he goes on to describes how PS4 unlocked new options for Bloodborne, where the team "spent a lot of CPU power, [especially] on simulating fabric."
https://youtu.be/gExoq4CGDHo?si=yL0_eH4HFb3p4dPT

>Alpha vs Final Release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kcmvBo8Yng

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>>109615115
Bloodborne is best played on an OLED display or a plasma TV.

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>>109615115
Not really. The screenshot you posted looks like an upscaled 1080p shot. Console TAA killed graphics, and now we have to wait until 8K becomes viable (so we can downscale it to 4K and things look sharp, again).

>>109615132
>kohlburner is here shilling OLED
lmao

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bN6VDw

Rate my open box and eBay special. Was at FUCKING BEST BUY and they had the Arc B580 GPU open box on sale for a price I couldn't ignore. Pic unrelated.

>>109614901
>>109614952
IMO people had months, years even to get some kind of updated desktop or PC.
I've had a DDR5 system for years. I didn't stare at the screen everyday, I didn't read the tea leaves to time the bottom.
I just bought in because I found a good deal on a Z690 motherboard. Something that was discounted for months.
At this point I can only conclude that if you're somehow coping with an overpriced 5800x3d, or don't have a PC then you are not interested and were never interested.

I can feel for broke teenagers or peeps outside the US where everything is stupidly overpriced
However even outside of RAM, both AMD and Intel where basically giving away good chips and mobos. No excuse for anyone in the US to not have a decent system if they actually wanted it.

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Resident Evil 4 is a GameCube game

>>109615272
I still have the "gamecube exclusive" version of that game. I even have the small demo version of RE4 on gamecube that you could only get at Gamestop at the time.

>>109615211
System looks fine, I'm not feeling the x3 1080p MSI Pro monitors.

>>109615262
I don't know why people are bitching so much, you're not going to get 5 years of enjoyment from the $2,000 a midrange PC costs by spending it anywhere else. Maybe I'd start complaining at $10,000...

>>109615294
I want 3 monitors but am a cheap fuck. 3x 21.5" 1080p 100HZ IPS monitors I can slap onto one of those 3 monitor VESA mount arms is perfect for me. Middle monitor landscape for gaming, left monitor landscape for watching videos/movies/streams, right monitor in portrait for reading the news/discord/music player

>>109608536
The one where a RAM kit sells for the price of a GPU, and a GPU sells for the price of a car.

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Where's everyone going? Bingo?

>>109615313
I've come to the conclusion it's really not about entertainment value or anything else but being part of the cool kids club with what is perceived as a "high end PC"
Everyone is trying to time the bottom on a 9800x3d system with a 5080 or similar because anything else means it's useless or they will be made fun of or something, idk

I feel like I'm one of the few with the actual care and love for the best PC they can get at the time with the money I can spare because I actually want a PC.

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>>109615455
>Everyone is trying to time the bottom on a 9800x3d system with a 5080 or similar because anything else means it's useless or they will be made fun of or something, idk

As an old-timer PC gamer, it's really just about the games that you want to play. Most games are designed for PS5 or Switch 2 hardware, with exceptions to UE5 slop.

It wasn't until recently when PC hardware was largely standardized with everyone using 5800X3D, 7800X3D, 9800X3D or 9850X3D. If you weren't around for the Athlons, Pentiums, FX, consider yourself lucky.

I'm trying to build a pc in italy for little above 1000€. The goal is gaming (at 1080p for now at least) and some cpu workloads (music production, compilation).

The lowest priced 16GB cpu I could find (that wasn't a550) was the 9060 xt at 460€. In terms of CPU I was looking at the intel 270k at 320€. I could probably spend half as much on the cpu without bottleknecking gaming, but the benchmarks I've seen position the 270k very well for non-gaming tasks, which makes it interesting.

I've picked the other components without double checking just to get an idea about the final price. I'm leaning towards 1 16GB stick of ddr5 since two 8G cost twice as much, and I can upgrade later.

Thoughts? https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/np3Xn2

>>109609811
My friend is a NEET and he just dropped 10k total on a DGX spark and $5000 PC…..with a 5060ti lmao. It’s grim out there. Glad I built a better pc than him for less than half the money over a year ago. New builds are for anyone desperate enough to build them, simple as.

>>109615563
you're paying a hidden dead socket tax by going with intel, AMD lowered the price of the 9900x to €320, as well
the difference between single channel and dual channel can be pretty severe, see:
https://www.techspot.com/article/3066-single-stick-vs-dual-channel-ram/

>>109615455
most people are sheep and just buy what youtubers tell them and every youtuber tell them the exact same thing x3d cpu and some nvidia gpu.

>>109615660
>every youtuber tell them the exact same thing x3d cpu and some nvidia gpu.

What else should they be using?

>>109615667
an i5 12600k and a 5700/9070 class GPU so they can enjoy games on their 4K60 TV set.

>>109615489
My first PC had an i3 2120 and a 550 TI.
At the time it was MORE than enough for any PC exclusive indie and MMO. Being able to play some older multiplatform AAA games more flawlessly than consoles was a bonus.

The biggest thing was just having a modern PC period. I never actually intended to exclusively play on PC at the time or had something I definitely wanted a decent PC to play with. I just discovered everything was superior and the Xbox became only for Halo and some Netflix.

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>>109615666
Not a bad deal @ current component prices.
>Does iBuyPower make good PCs?
They probably sourced the cheapest components for that Walmart PC.
Doesn't necessarily mean it'll croak, 7700 XT is relatively easy to run, and the 8700F CPU's an emasculated APU that should run at under 100W power draw (65W TDP).

>>109615667
you can buy a 20 core intel cpu for the same price as 8 amd cores and the 20 cores will do a lot better in everything minus unoptimized single threaded gaming.

>>109615655
>you're paying a hidden dead socket tax by going with intel
What do you mean?
>AMD lowered the price of the 9900x to €320, as well
I can confirm the price, but it seems to consistently perform worse across all benchmarks, gaming and not gaming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWbThC2Oys0
>https://www.techspot.com/article/3066-single-stick-vs-dual-channel-ram/
I think I can tolerate an average ~5% reduction in performance for a while, and I'm already slightly over budget. It does look worse than I thought it'd be

>>109615850
I mean that the AM5 socket will get two more generations of CPUs, and the next one will get more cores per CPU.

You want some cope anons?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyEILrjuZJI

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>>109616199
>14:30

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>>109615754
>>109616069
>>109615693
>muh intel

Games are optimized for AMD and 9800X3D specifically

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PC gaming anti-nostalgia

>Bad PC ports
>Bad drivers
>Windows Vista
>Pentium 4
>DX10
>Games for Windows Live
>SLI
>IDE HDD
>Arkham Knight on launch
>GTAIV port
>Japanese ports were so bad you just had to emulate them
>Dark Souls 1 port before Durante fix
>Resident Evil 4 was based on the botched PS2 version
>UE3 games were borked
>Diablo III Auction House

>>109616259
Games have always been optimized for Intel since Crysis.

>>109616253
It is just an AMD fanboy ranting about made up scenarios.

>>109616369
If you aren't manually configuring IRQ are you REALLY a pc gamer? I think not.

>>109616199
gonna need a zen7 11800x3d to bring out the 5090's true potential
nvidia's fine wining now

>>109616438
The more you buy the more you save.

>>109616369
RT on
RT off
waow, I'm gonna buy nvidia now

>>109616509
Halo 2 PC / MCC, the lighting is missing in a lot of places, notably any scene or spot that relied on self-shadowing and spotlights. Everything is lit from a global, single direction. This results in a lot of the cutscenes looking objectively worse and overall flat compared to the original Xbox release.

Halo 2 was also made on a GeForce 3.

>>109608409
If you're getting a 5060 i'd rather get a 12-14th gen i3 or a budget option because of the pcie 5.0 support and the higher clock speeds.

>>109616369
this one was odd because og xbox was directx 8 and vista was dx9/dx10.

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I got my 5500 to 4.44ghz with a -20 pbo offset and +200mhz using “motherboard” power limits (100w). Aside from the pcie 3.0 gimp lowering my ssd speeds I do not think I need to ever upgrade desu.

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>>109616626
Dev issue. Bungie didn't work on Halo PC or Halo 2 Vista because Microsoft outsourced them to Gearbox and Hired Gun

>>109616705
anon...

>>109616812
What

>>109616626
Halo 2 PC was pushed as a vista exclusive solely because microsoft wanted to force adoption

>9070xt is up 50% since 3 months ago in japan
It's over isn't it?

>>109616941
memory crisis started in q4 2025

>>109616369
why does everyone shit on gfwl? It worked fine for me

>>109617120
its an indian coded webapp before electron even existed and it blocked a lot of old games from launching after their servers shut down

>motherboard I want went up in price
I am not spending $200 on a mobo
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I’m priced out of gayming
A serious build will cost you around 5k

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DLSS 4.5 Ray Reconstruction DLL is here, just need the Nvidia graphics driver 615.xx release next week

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>>109616199
i made it 6 minutes into this rambling schizo's video and have determined that he doesn't know what a cpu bottleneck is.
if there's something more to his claims someone with more tolerance than me will have to watch long enough to find it.

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how do you take a 40 pound $3000 gaming pc and two monitors through an airport

>>109617592
ok i made it slightly further
yeah no kidding you force a more cpu bound scenario and the difference between gpus shrinks. No, you shouldn't expect your $2000 gpu to get way more frames than a $700 gpu if you're rendering a game at 1200x720. It's common sense. And yes reviewers use settings that nobody actually uses to emphasize the performance of the graphics card when not cpu-bound because gpu tests are supposed to test the gpu, not the cpu. troglodyte. jayztwocents tier video.

>>109617592
>>109617649
Just get grok or whatever LLM to summarize the video for you. I've saved tens of hours doing that so far

>>109617626
very carefully

>>109617649
His point was that nvidia is way more affected by cpu bottlenecks than amd. He should have done a direct 5070ti to 9070xt comparison to better illustrate his point imo

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>>109617626
put it in your hand bag of course

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>>109617666
>He should have done a direct 5070ti to 9070xt comparison to better illustrate his point imo
Illustrate what? That two extremely close in performance graphics cards perform extremely close to each other?
I seriously can't figure out what he's crying about.

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>>109617626
quasi-serious reply:

like a band would. use flight case (think pelican or similar). foam would be cut to size so parts fit snugly. pay air freight or whatever the airline charges. get insurance, and pray to the gods you see your stuff on arrival.

>>109617693
Nta but i prefer nanuk cases to pelicans. The quality is on par but they're a bit cheaper. By no means cheap though. You can get sticker shock when you start looking at these sorts of glorified boxes.

>>109608870
I have one of these and plan to sell it for a 9070 XT.

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What is the better OLED display for a mix of gaming and productive work?
Gigabyte MO27Q28GR, newish WOLED
Acer Predator X27UW3bmiiprx. QD-OLED

QD-OLED has better colours, W-OLED should be better at text clarity.
Is this still true for the modern display generation?

>>109617688
your graph already illustrates what he's on about. 5070ti is 5% faster at 4k but it's slower at 1080p native
1440p quality dlss is 960p so the difference would be greater

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-10th-anniversary/16.html

X3D pretty much showing its outdated, obsolete age

>>109617751
weird that they didn't include the 12700k or 12900k in those benches

>>109617741
The 9070 xt and 5070 ti are nearly identical in raw raster. Architectures scale a little differently at different resolutions, sure, but what we are seeing both at 1440p quality and 1080p is performance within margin of error (<= 5%).

The 5080 is actually a little more telling here. It should probably be pulling ahead a little more here than it is.

>>109617765
that nvidia-specific cpu bottleneck shows up worse on faster gpus. the 4090 and 5090 are most affected by it

>YOOO CHECK OUT HOW MY GPU PERFORMS AT 1080P!
>Yeah so what if I don't even own a 1080p monitor?
>It fucking OWNS you bro, you can't even get 1000 fps on cs2 @ 1080p dogshit settings LMAO
>what the FUCK is path tracing
BEGONE EASTERN EUROSWINE

>>109617772
If it was actually causing significant performance degradation compared to amd equivalents I would call it a problem. Instead I just see graphs shrinking in difference and if a slower card does overtake a faster one it's within margin for error which is expected of a cpu bound scenario.

>>109617773
2160p dlss quality = 1440p (slight bottleneck)
2160p dlss performance = 1080p (large bottleneck)
1440p dlss quality = 960p (larger bottleneck)
1440p dlss balanced = 835p (massive bottleneck)

>>109617773
nta but dlss

I could probably get a 750 ti to get more fps in stellaris than a 5090 if I just ran the test a few times and picked the one where it was 0.4 frames higher.

>>109617782
but that's literally happening to the 5070ti and sometimes, the 5080. the 9070xt overtakes them at lower resolutions/higher fps since it isn't as bogged down by nvidia's gpus by cpu bottlenecks.

>>109617693
I'd take out the expensive stuff for carry on, but yeah pretty much.

I play at 4k with some low internal resolution upscaled with dlss in battlefield 6 and I get a solid 140 fps on my 144hz tv, with a 5070. You just can't beat dlss, reflex low latency etc.

>>109617626
give up on transporting cheap/bulky items like the case/psu/monitors and only bring with you smaller/more expensive parts like the cpu, ram, ssds and gpu
check-in luggage if flying on white/yellow airlines or hand carry (split across family/friends) if on shadier airlines with workers known to steal from check-in luggage

>>109617798
And how is the 5090 doing in those graphs. Is it still significantly ahead of the pack? If not, that's just a cpu bottleneck unless you're seeing the 9070 xt pull ahead of those two by a notable not-margin-of-error amount which ive yet to see

>wow you fucking nvidia paypigs, AMD is SOOOOOOOOO much better
>You can get 1000 fps at 1080p!
>pathtracing?
LMAO

is there any reason why a boot drive needs to be bigger than 512gb?

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>nvidiafags: dlss is SUPERIOR
>also nvidiafags: who CARES about dlss-induced cpu bottlenecks or 144hz+ gaming LMAO

>Nvidiafags:MmmMmmmm I love eating shit
>AMDfags: Hey stop hogging all the shit!!! I want to eat too!!!!

>>109617853
If you install a lot of apps because program files will be stored on the C drive. I suppose you might be able to change that to another drive but I've never checked.

>>109617853
512 GB have shit endurance.

>>109617918
>apps
fuck off

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/Wyy8TW/patriot-viper-elite-5-ultra-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl28-memory-veur532g6028k

or

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/Hm6NnQ/gskill-trident-z5-royal-neo-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl28-memory-f5-6000j2836g16gx2-tr5ns

9800X3D

>>109617917
i love to pay only $800 to eat 16GB of shit instead of paying $1,699 for it.

>>109617944
they will end up the same when you tune them.