>>109610162
How are GNOME users and developers coping?
>Every Windows refugee is using Plasma; even Mint is being sidelined nowadays
>Every distro that isn't Ubuntu or Fedora uses Plasma for its flagship edition
>Even Fedora has promoted Fedora KDE from a mere spin to a co-flagship release alongside the GNOME edition
>Every new app is made with Qt instead of GTK
>People installing Ubuntu due to brand recognition from 2008 is the only source of GNOME adoption
Turns out people like being able to minimise windows...

>>109610258
>minimise windows
name one (1) use case

>>109610258
use-case for gnome?

>>109610258
>Every new app is made with Qt instead of GTK
I mean, this is just provably false.

>>109610162
>let's try this linux thing
>krashes
>goes back to Windows
Is it all a genius plan to keep normies out?

>>109610258
what makes you think popularity is a metric?
use case for people using gnome?

>>109610298
Hiding porn from ur mom when she walks in.

>>109610859
What did you try? With what hardware? When did it crash?

>>109611290
It's a troll post, anon... "Krashes" has been a staple meme ever since KDE was genuinely unstable back in 4.x and very early 5.x days. So 10 years ago.

>>109611355
Ah; Ya' got me

is there a good way to ensure that system power saving or some shit doesn't interfere with programs running. right now I use aliases for commands like this:
>alias ffmpeg='systemd-inhibit --what sleep:idle /usr/bin/ffmpeg'

Since switching to f2fs I realized stuttering/lagging issues I had was because of btrfs. f2fs seems great so far.

>>109611355
Holy melty copium pig, who hurt your small brain ?

>>109610258
The masses have no taste. Gtk4 is still the default on linux, every new app is not made with qt, shitty ones maybe.

>>109611556
>taste is when you can't put files on your desktop

>>109611569
Yes, I don't want that and it looks ugly. You can add that functionality very easily otherwise.

>>109610162
Thank fucking god it has been normalized to shit on Gnome. I look forward for the day this line trends below XFCE.

>>109611632
I doubt it will ever go below Xfce. Xfce is not relevant enough and using it is pointless on modern hardware. GNOME still has the resources to get better and pull some people back in.

>>109611643
I'm coping, but it would be really funny.

>>109611632
What don't you like about it specifically?

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Latest Dolphin update borked 16x16 preview icons in the details view. They don't show up unless you zoom in to 22x22 and then zoom back out to 16x16. This makes no sense.

>>109611671
I'm not going to write about every gripe I have, many of them can be found here: https://woltman.com/gnome-bad/

Personally though, I hate three things the most:
its appearance
its deliberate effort to ignore standards that EVERYONE else is using, like server side window decorations (this is the most famous example, but I have several other specific examples I'm not going to bother to mention)
the attitude of its developers towards its users and the feigned ignorance of their needs. this is because in the mind of a gnome dev, they know best, and they represent the true linux experience (they wish they were the apple of linux)

It can go fuck itself, honestly.

>>109611671
You can find the summary here >>109525669

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I got this recently and I'd like to try Linux again after a few years, I just want something that works with Nvidia stuff (GPU on this is Nvidia RTX 5050 Laptop GPU)
I'm also a huge pirate so I don't want to bother with Steam since I heard you need it for Proton

My MSI laptop has a 5080 in it, but in nobara it's capped at 130 watts. I already tried changing the usual settings, but only windows can access power beyond that. Would changing to a different distro help, or do I have to use windows because laptop gpu's are gay?

>>109611763
most distros are fine, might need to install the nvidia driver as a separate step.
you don't need to install steam to use proton. you can run pirated games with proton if you want to

>>109611587
>it looks ugly
Make up your mind GNOMEfags: did you get rid of desktop icons because you shouldn't look at your desktop anyway, or because they wanted you to have a desktop albeit a redundant one?

>>109611763
Bazzite + Bottles + ProtonPlus is all you need for piracy

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>update mesa
>youtube videos are now banding
you know. i might as well run mint again. their mesa doesn't do that.

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>>109611791
bodied that freak

>>109611791
It's almost like there's more than 1 person using GNOME.

>>109611852
Don't update if everything works.

>>109611895
So they wanted you to have a redundant desktop? Doesn't that go against GNOME's philosophy?

>>109611904
gnome philosophy is just not doing any work. i follow their "philosophy" at work too.

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AI thinks pic rel are my top distro options (nobara, cachy, pop) based on my needs. does /fglt/ agree?
>light to moderate gaming. mostly overwatch and elite dangerous
>rtx2070
>wheel + pedals (G29), and joystick (VKB)
>sunshine/moonlight so I can stream games to an android box
>lightroom / photoshop (pirated older versions)
I don't mind a moderate amount of tinkering to get things setup properly

>>109611967
>Nobara
Absolute dog shit: Discover doesn't even work on it and even dnf might just break your system, so you have to use the Nobara Package Manager which is slow as shit and isn't user-friendly. Fedora KDE or Ludora or Ultramarine would do you better.
>CachyOS
It's good
>Pop
Beta software

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>>109611967
just pick something from that list

>>109612049
I like nobara, even with the stupid updates. Why should I switch to cachy?

>>109611967
Why don't you just use Bazzite? Unless they don't support your peripherals in which case use CachyOS but expect things to break sometimes.

PopOS is an OS used to beta test the Cosmic desktop environment, nothing more. Nobara is a buggy shitshow.

>>109611459
what do you mean? have you checked your CPU governor?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CPU_frequency_scaling

>>109611763
PikaOS + faugus

>>109612805
If i have ffmpeg encoding and i leave sometimes screen locking seems to mess it up.

>>109613394
https://man.archlinux.org/man/core/systemd/systemd-inhibit.1.en

(elogind-inhibit if not using Systemd but still using elogind)

>>109611967
I don't like nobara, it does weird things like switching to appimage. I suggest vanilla fedora or of you want something out of the box then ultramarine.
If you want apt based and gaming use pikaos

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>>109613460
>>109613394
>>109611459
Although, you asked for a "good" way. I can see why that is ergonomically clunky. Right way is for programs to interface with logind themselves and provide some sort of flag or option to inhibit sleep.

I think most don't think about it though, because who puts a server to sleep?
You're better off disabling the power saving, or if you're on a laptop and don't want to do that then your desktop probably has a quickly accessible toggle to block sleep. At least KDE Plasma has that.

>>109613499
Most GUI applications do it, trouble is with cli ones.

>>109613527
Some CLI programs do it, there's Python modules to inhibit sleep, for example and I've seen some tools use it in the past, but yes, it could probably be improved.

I wonder why nobody has added this to ffmpeg yet? I bet if I go and prompt Claude right now it'll be able to add such a simple addition in a couple of minutes.

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>>109613535
Or rather, if I paid for a subscription it'd be able to do that in a couple of minutes.

>Here's where things stand…

>>109610162
i really don't understand people using debian as a desktop os, what is the user case of using ancient packages that take decades to update? why not just use fedora or arch with updated packages?

>>109613689
>1 year old
>ancient

>>109613689
Why do you even care what people use? It's not even like Debian is popular anyway.

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>>109613606
The clanker did it. Four patches carefully architected. No mistakes. No idea if it even works or not.

>Usage after building

./configure --enable-logind-always-inhibit ...   # inhibit by default on every run
ffmpeg -inhibit_sleep -i in.mp4 out.mp4           # force it on for one run
ffmpeg -noinhibit_sleep -i in.mp4 out.mp4         # force it off, even if built with the always-inhibit default

>>109613773
The patches it made if anyone's curious:
https://gofile.io/d/MWfx3ymK

>>109613689
stability

>>109613864
- is not needed outside of servers with lazy devops

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>>109611774
anyone?

>>109611774
>>109613912
Could be some shitty firmware restriction. ASUS laptops do the same crap I think but somebody reverse engineered it and added a driver to the kernel.

MSI is probably doing something similarly shitty.

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Firefox randomly lowers it volume sometimes and I have to go into sound settings to turn it up again. Is there a shortcut that I am accidentally using without knowing?

>>109613964
It's a bug. You can try to increase media.volume_scale in about:config but it didn't fix it completely for me

>>109610258
i'd never use a DE but if i was forced to choose one i would choose anything before KDE

>>109611967
>Nobara
Literally no one uses this, AI is so retarded man. Did it really make this bias because one of the developers is also a developer that works on Proton?

>>109610162
idk why but for some reason dolphin stopped showing my / partition and it's now only showing ntfs partition (no, the btrfs partition is not hiding i already checked it)

>>109614655
>>109611701
>Dolphin showing up in my updates list
Uh oh

>>109614573
I'd wager it went the other way. "Fedora is a "good" distro but has some problems out-of-the-box", "this guy wants to game", "Nobara did some things to make that better out-of-the-box".

>>109611967
Cachy is a good recommendation.

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just doing my monthly manual time sync

ntpd: time set +127.758625s

i will never trust ntp daemons!!!!!!!

>>109614704
my router is my time server (don't ask where it gets it's time)

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>>109614704
>>109614712
I get my time from Zuckerberg's clock.

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>>109614828

time.nist.gov

>>109614828
genuine question, does it really matter?

i just use those

ntp.ntsc.ac.cn
ntp.aliyun.com
ntp.vniiftri.ru
ntp.yandex.ru
ntp.iranet.ir
ntp.ito.gov.ir

>>109615008
No. I just think it's funny that Zuckerberg has a clock. I will steal it. Mark Zuckerberg owes me clock.

Why isn't there a reciever for the time signal for clocks that you can plug into your PC, or is there?

>>109615019
What are you going to do when Israel nukes your clock? You should at least put an Israeli clock in the pool as a backup.

>>109615030
That's pretty much what PTP is but only business / enterprise and (maybe) homelabbers know about it.

>>109615036
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Time_Protocol

>>109615034
shit yeah. now it's perfect.

ntp.ac.il
timeserver.iix.net.il

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>>109610258
>xhe cites archlinux opt-in analytics as facts
debian: https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=gnome-shell%2Cxfce4-panel%2Clxpanel%2Ckde-plasma-desktop&show_installed=on&want_percent=on&want_legend=on&from_date=2000-01-01&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1
GNOME #1
fedora: https://github.com/ublue-os/countme/blob/main/growth_upstream.svg
GNOME #1
it's like opt-in analytics suck ass
>>Every distro that isn't Ubuntu or Fedora uses Plasma for its flagship edition
"every meme distro uses KDE, that's good!" yes anon, PissAndShitLinux using kde is a win!
>>Even Fedora has promoted Fedora KDE from a mere spin to a co-flagship release alongside the GNOME edition
you do know that the people that approved that are gnome devs, right? outside of your bubble the desktops dont hate each other
>>Every new app is made with Qt instead of GTK
kek https://arewelibadwaitayet.com/
>>People installing Ubuntu due to brand recognition from 2008 is the only source of GNOME adoption
source: you made it up

>>109615087
didn't read

>>109615087
>kek https://arewelibadwaitayet.com/
That's a terrible domain name. If you miss the 'l' it reads like "Are we Badwaita yet" which if we're honest, is what it really is.

>>109615087
crazy how every DE is woke in 2026

>>109610162
Gnome is more popular than KDE in 2026.

>>109610162
I'm using Fedora GNOME 43 Workstation and I finally got my Bluetooth device to work but every 16 seconds or so the audio skips, the sound just cuts out for an instant and keeps going. I've tried using bluetoothctl to turn scanning off and the only thing it says is

Failed to stop discovery: org.bluez.Error.Failed

I tried changing buffer sizes for pipewire and for pulseaudio in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf:
/etc/pulse/daemon.conf:

default-sample-rate = 48000
alternate-sample-rate = 44100
default-fragment-size-msec = 25
default-fragments = 8

~/.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf: (the rest is the same as /usr/share/pipewire/pipewire.conf)

context.properties = {
    link.max-buffers                      = 64
}
stream.properties = {
    node.quantum = 2048
    node.latency = 2048/48000
}

Anyone else have this issue or fix it?

>>109615237
I've also tried changing the priority of pipewire/etc and that didn't change anything neither

>>109615191
In the same sense that if you canvas business users they'll all tell you they use Microsoft Office and Exchange on Windows 11.

It's all about who you ask. These are just the figures for Archlinux.

>>109610162
I’m using Cosmic exclusively right now. It’s still not perfect, there are no animations yet, and it’s missing a few minor features here and there, but it’s definitely usable. I am seeing it as good balance between KDE and Gnome where it feels modern without being as stripped-down as Gnome, while also avoiding the bloat of KDE.

>>109615237
>>109615248
changed codec to SBC from SBC-XQ fixed this

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>>109610162
Fuck Gnome and Fuck RedHat.
That is all.

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>>109615087
popularity-contest is opt-in

im thinking of trying out gnome de since kde has articfacts and xfce has a bunch of issues
anyone got opinions?
im trying out pikaos with an amd ryzen 7 and nvidia 5060m mobile laptop

>>109615584
Those artifacts are probably caused by your GPU driver rather than KWin.

I would try out a distro with software made in the past year first though. Not something based on Debian with old software.

>>109615612
you got any reccomendations?

>>109615552
yes and thats why all analytics on linux are shit, they are all opt-in (or easily opt-out) on a platform famous for users that value their privacy

>>109615635
Something rolling or semi-rolling like CachyOS or Bazzite or even just regular Fedora.

You'll get an up-to-date kernel, GPU driver and desktop environment packages, etc, then and not just whatever Pika decides to selectively backport and package.

Debian is fundamentally the wrong distro to use unless you use Sid which is not recommended because it can be unstable (they're also slow to package things sometimes).

IBus has been giving me issues on Debian. Is there any IME that works as good as Windows IME?

>>109615652
>up to date drivers
literally all the distros ive been testing were up to date, i was using tumbleweed but its was shitting out during install and nvidia drivers werent working
it has to be kwin

>>109615688
Fcitx

>>109615720
ill just try Fedora Gnome
its getting to a point

>>109615720
KWin is very out-of-date in Debian so it could well have been the older version they refuse to update (if your drivers were up-to-date).

It's always good to run up-to-date software to rule that out though. Stable distros don't really make any sense when the desktops and Wayland are still getting constant updates.

>>109615652
Debian is fundamentally the wrong distro overall. You don't need multi-year stable releases when your vendor isn't constantly trying to push malware, and it doesn't have a long enough support window to be a good server.

>>109615731
ill say that im not VERY experienced outside of opensuse, but the last distro is used with kde was kubuntu

>>109615742
oh and only really use xfce but maybe i should just try to switch des on tumbleweed

>>109615678

>>109615612
>>109615652
Pika is basically Sid with some packages held back, it comes with kernel 7.1.8 and plasma/kwin 6.7.4, the main outdated thing would the Nvidia drivers, 595 is the newest it comes with

>>109616291
>kwin 6.7.4
whats the version other distros use?

>>109616307
I'm on Fedora and I'm on 6.7.4

>>109616315
what version does kubuntu use?

>>109616307
Arch uses 6.7.4 currently
>>109616325
26.04 has version 6.6

>>109616345
>pikaos on unstabel
.doesnt have most recent version of kde
luh mao

>>109616291
Ah, interesting. I didn't know it was based on Debian unstable.
They're almost certainly seeing NVIDIA driver issue or kernel issue then. Artifacts occurring on the latest KDE is certainly not a common issue. I don't see it on my AMD hardware I have at least.

>>109615775
>How do linux users know whether disconnecting one of their drives will remove files or directories they want to keep? It seems ambiguous.
You mean like an USB drive?
Let's say you are using a typical desktop system with all the bells and whistles, plug in the USB, see icon pop up, click that icon and there: drive gets mounted at /run/media/whatever. No files were on that location before, the directory didn't exist even but now there it is. How do you NOT know removing the drive removes the location?

>For example let's say there's this file structure in linux.
>/foo/bar/baz.txt
>What if foo is stored in hard drive 1, bar is stored in hard drive 2, and baz.txt is stored in hard drive 3.
Doing mount locations under another mount locations? Bad practice, nobody does that. Can be done though.
>bar is stored in hard drive 2, and baz.txt is stored in hard drive 3.
And it doesn't work like that, entire drive (or FILESYSTEM to be more correct) has an entire directory, not a single file.

>>109617574
can't say i've ever tried to see what happens if you remove a drive in the middle of a chain of nested mounts.
obviously it'd be extremely unusual to mount a drive below the mountpoint of a removable drive.
also worth noting that you can mount volumes into folders on windows as well, the drive letters thing is just kept since since windows users are used to it

>>109617605
>obviously it'd be extremely unusual to mount a drive below the mountpoint of a removable drive.
I guess this is why they moved /boot/efi to /efi as EFI system partition and /boot have separate philosophical meanings and therefore they can coexist. (ok /boot isn't removable but still)

>>109615775
>How do linux users know whether disconnecting one of their drives will remove files or directories they want to keep? It seems ambiguous.
no more ambiguous than drive letters. if you can remember the file you opened from E:\ is your flash drive you can remember the file you opened from /media/myzipdisquette is your flash drive
just a matter of remembering how you configured your system

>>109617628
maybe, maybe also to avoid scenarios like trying to mount the esp but it can't if /boot isn't mounted as the path won't exist without it. i just combine them myself, that is mount the esp as /boot and it use it for both.
there might be a reason to have separate volumes for root, boot, and esp, i'm not sure

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>>109617656
>there might be a reason to have separate volumes for root, boot, and esp, i'm not sure
Traditionally you got a small EXT2 /boot partition in the start of the drive so some shitty legacy BIOS could boot the thing as there was some sort of limit (because 16-bit boot mode or something?). GRUB or LiLo got first loaded from the boot sector but then GRUB or LiLo had to find the rest of the crap and that's what /boot was for. So /boot only really served your whatever Linux loader.
Then became EFI with its FAT32 EFI system partition (ESP) which is completely different thing from catering the needs for something like GRUB, ESP caters the firmware.
But yeah, that's what people normally do, mount ESP at /boot and call it a day. But just saying.

>>109617702
>as there was some sort of limit (because 16-bit boot mode or something?).
that's the 504MB limit, it's related to CHS addressing where older bios's were only designed to recognise up to the 1024'th cylinder

i just don't see the need to put the kernel/initramfs in a separate location to the bootloader, it's not like people used to keep them separate either, like grub was in /boot along with your kernel. unless you consider the esp to be the modern equivalent to stage1 grub / the bootsector? (which don't apply to gpt/efi)

>>109617722
>unless you consider the esp to be the modern equivalent to stage1 grub / the bootsector?
Yes, that's what I'm doing.
>it's not like people used to keep them separate either, like grub was in /boot along with your kernel
>grub was in /boot
Being all autistic and splitting hairs here but GRUB wasn't in /boot exactly, it was in the boot sector. But GRUB's modules and configuration was stored on /boot so uh, it's there but only partially.
>i just don't see the need to put the kernel/initramfs in a separate location
Let's say you updoot the kernel(+initramfs) but don't update GRUB so you could keep /efi unmounted thru the process. Not sure if this adds any extra security or anything but just saying.

>>109617753
>Being all autistic and splitting hairs here but GRUB wasn't in /boot exactly, it was in the boot sector. But GRUB's modules and configuration was stored on /boot so uh, it's there but only partially.
well grub stage 1 was, but that was just enough to load stage 2, which was the majority of grub. but you're right that just the files in /boot weren't enough, even if it was almost all of it

there's also not really a wrong way to do this, if it works it works. you could even if you wanted to add an efi module to your motherboard firmware so it could load files from a filesystem besides fat32 and technically avoid a separate esp as well (by combining with your rootfs entirely).

am i crazy or do high graphics settings on linux not look the same as they do on windows ? BDO on remastered graphics looks vastly different on each os at least it feels so ? Same with dbd but less so I suppose.
I managed to get past the input latency issue on wayland but now the issue is the fact I'm losing around 20% performance for seemingly no reason. I play at 1080p. BDO went from remastered graphics at around 90-100fps/very high at a comfy 120 and dbd on most maps on ultra at 120 as well. I'm getting up to 70% gpu util in dbd at the lowest settings on 120 and ultra settings manage to get to 120 on a handful of old, indoor maps. nvidia linux support cannot be this dogshit right... not to mention display color controls still aren't supported on wayland. yikes...

>>109618444
Blame nvidia's drivers (or lackthereof)

>>109618444
Could be that dxvk doesn't translate everything for the specific game.

>>109618444
No issue on my amd setup

>>109618785
They're going to fix this right... Multibillion dollar company can surely spare a few bucks to maintain this shit...
>>109618795
BDO runs on DXVK and that's where I see the graphical degradation at higher settings so maybe...
>>109618824
Yeah I wish I went for an AMD gpu this nvidia shit is ass... Only thing that can help now is getting like a 5080/90 since that will just compensate for the shitty drivers but oh well.

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>5080/90 since that will just compensate

>>109610162
I am using Linux Mint but I was thinking of hopping either onto fedora or SUSE because I heard they support newer hardware better (have a 9070XT and had to perform an exorcism to install the proper drivers), so how do I do so without erasing my data? I have all my stuff in my user home partition and on an external drive. How does distro hopping bode with installed shit? I have pirated games I wouldnt want to reinstall either.

>>109618848
>They're going to fix this right... Multibillion dollar company can surely spare a few bucks to maintain this shit...
Not nvidia, but trannies with support of valve are. The open driver is catching up, I predict in 2 years it's going to be as good as the proprietary driver, eventually it will be better.

>>109619116
Probably when Valve releases a new ARM powered Steam Deck with an NVIDIA chip in it. That has to be coming at some point.

>>109618977
>because I heard they support newer hardware better
If you can stomach it, try compiling a newer kernel yourself.
>How does distro hopping bode with installed shit
Define "installed shit". If it's Steam games under your $HOME, it will just work. Autistically speaking it isn't even "installed", it's more like cached data.

>>109615721
Works great. Thanks for the recommendation.

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>tfw when you can use the mouse in gdu but not ncdu

This is a game changer.

>>109619344
Why would you want to?

>>109619478
Sometimes I don't want to page down or use the arrow keys.

I love wipefs.

>>109610162
Based
TOTAL DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT UNINSTALL

The new Firefox update on Fedora makes it refuse to launch, it only shows me a pop up stating it has crashed. Anyone else have this problem? Downgrading to the previous version fixes the issue and makes work normally again.

>>109619793
Working fine on my end; Posting from it now.

I have recently asked around here for a hand launching a game, and I have stubbornly come to realise that there are 2 ways I'm going to go about this...

Either I Dual-boot into windows,

Or I systematically rewrite my entire graphics driver until I can figure out the problem and *fix* it...

So I'm asking for where would best be to start in rewriting my graphics drivers so that a game which has been changed to only launch on AMD Linux drivers instead of NVidia Linux drivers might be able to be ran, as I would unironically rather do that than go back to windows.

>>109619895
Weird, other people are reporting the same issue
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/1vtvjwz/firefox_broke_with_the_newest_update_for_me_on_44/

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>>109619992

>>109620031
>Gnome
Cringe

>>109620031
>Gnome
deserved it

>>109619344
Wait until you find out that you need btdu.

>>109619984
Do you mean that if it detects the NVIDIA driver the game does not start..? Example? Output?

>>109620046
Nigga, it's the guy proving that it works on his system. It's on my KDE system that Firefox doesn't work

>>109619992
Bookmarking this for the next time people tell me Fedora is a better option than Arch because it's stable.

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>>109620065

>>109620076
I've used Linux (Fedora KDE) for a year and I've had a decent amount of problems. Waaaaaay more than I did on Windows but not enough to be a problem.

>>109620039
Does what I need it to.
>>109620065
Thanks for calling them out, anon.

>>109620131
>Does what I need it to.
i guess you don't need to create directories in the directory picker dialog. subhuman.

>>109620166
I don't know what you're even talking about to be honest.

>>109620172
if you want to select a file or folder and the application wants to use the gtk file/ folder picker there is no option to create a directory. cemu for example wants you to pick an mlc directory but i can't because i can't create one from the dialog. gnome and gtk is a controlled opposition.

>>109610258
>Every Windows refugee
Should fuck off and suffer in their dedicated jeetshittified piece of shit OS instead of dictating how Linux should look like.

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Name your dumbest GNU+Linux moment.

>>109618444
>am i crazy or do high graphics settings on linux not look the same as they do on windows
GPU-related; There is some nVidia-exclusive shit that they never ported to Linux, such as HairWorks. The driver differences can also cause things to render differently, although this is usually only noticeable between different GPU vendors rather than different operating systems.
OS-related; Windows apparently has auto-HDR that turns any non-HDR game into an HDR game, while on Linux games themselves have to explicitly support HDR.
>nvidia linux support cannot be this dogshit right
It can. The GamersNexus video exposed that their GPUs vastly underperform compared to similarly priced AMD GPUs.

>>109619992
Should've used the Flathub version.

>>109620284
I ALMOST went with Linux Mint instead of Fedora KDE.

>>109620284
so like this didn't happen to me but someone else. some retard had his firefox break on fedora kde and somehow it's kde's fault because it works on gnome but another user posted a screenshot of it working on kde too some time later.

>>109620284
Used some command to remove a program and it's dependencies. Ended up removing my entire DE.

>>109619131
Some of the pirated games I have are contained in a single shell script that creates all the folders and files.

>>109620331
It's the fault of whoever packaged this shit into Fedora's repositories.

>>109620371
Interesting. Where did the script place those files?
I mean /opt and /usr/local are some locations where at least all the legit software goes in a situation where it's installed past the system's package management and when you want it "global", as in not just for your user but the entire system. Anything's that's not global is just something you have in your home directory, simple as.

>>109620443
So I suppose it should be safe to install Fedora and keep /home. I'll backup my personal files just in case though. Any good guide on how to install properly?

>>109621142
>*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread ***
This guy is not being friendly, he said "nigger", with a hard R!

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Is there something like spacesniffer for linux?

>>109621873
ncdu

>>109621873
Baobab or Filelight

>>109621873
https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.kde.filelight

>>109621903
The ncdu dev died btw

>>109621959
Sad if true. He made a fantastic piece of software though. Hopefully someone forks it.

>>109621959
>>109621974
his is going to haven and will be missed.

too lazy to google, when I connect my Bose QC Ultra headphones over Bluetooth, it works and I can hear everything fine. Once I disconnect them and reconnect them again later, they will connect but I cannot hear any audio. If I reboot, they will work again. There's a bunch of profiles in the KDE system tray but if I select any of them they stop being seen as headphones but as a headset (like for taking phone calls) and still won't play audio. Any insights anons?

>>109621974
>>109621978
He was the admin of a database for visual novels. The mods announced it https://vndb.org/t24787
It's the same yorhel as https://dev.yorhel.nl/

>>109621981
Is it using the HSF/HSP profile? It needs to be A2DP to not have shit audio.

>>109622080
>>109621981
Also just remove it and re-pair it. Fixes 90% of issues. Bluez is a pile of crap. Still better than Bluetooth on Windows mind you but a pile of crap nonetheless.

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>>109622080
>>109622091
yeah idk what any of this means im not a nerd lol
i think it's on sbc codec when it is first connected/works

>>109622091
this worked, good enough for me lol

>>109611701
Dolphin is now all kinds of fucked up if you use "remember display style for each folder". Invisible icons or icons that are the smallest size by default for every single folder regardless of icon size setting. Tiresome stuff. Rolled back to 26.04 where things are good.

>>109622109
aptX is the best codec if your headphones support it but your PipeWire might not have the codec support built-in. I think some distros lack support because of patents, etc.

>>109622128
Might be fixed on Arch now?
https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/dolphin/-/work_items/6

>>109622177
Cool maybe it will land in Fedora sometime this millenium

>>109622349
KDE Plasma is rolling release on Fedora

>>109622398
Arch patched it with the fix. Maybe Fedora will do the same

>>109622131
They all support it. You just have to use the unofficially official repo or perform the appropriate hazing ritual.

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I am using brave on cachyos with kde plasma, after an update whenever I change tabs, there is a delay when I hover over a link, the cursor takes 1-2 seconds to change to the pointing hand. like when I click on a youtube video to pause it, it takes 1-2 seconds for it to register. this open happens when I click to another tab, even if these tabs are already loaded. is anyone else having this issue, why is it happening?

>>109622177
>the upstream is to blame and not the people responsible for reviewing and packaging the upstream
Some people really do love playing the blame game despite being the ones responsible for what's happening, or at the bare minimum sharing an equal responsibility.

>>109622497
my headphones support aptx adaptive, which is apparently different so that is why it isn't listed. I use Arch btw, and they include support for most things

>>109622560
Upstream should make sure that a bug like this doesn't slip through before making a new release

>>109622516
does it happen on a more professional browser such as edge too?

>>109622516
>>109622710
I think I know why this is happening. I've been using brave-orgin-beta-bin for a month now and it's been fine, but it's probably some new unstable bullshit they're testing that is causing this. I tried installing normal brave and it didnt have this issue.
I'm going to try to change over to cachyos/brave-origin-bin to solve this

>>109622654
And so should the package maintainer of a distribution. The whole point of distros is to act as middlemen between the end user and the original software devs.
You're either pushing packages as-is from the upstream, or you're checking them and holding them or patching them if necessary. You can't have it both ways and pretend it's not your responsibility as a maintainer to ensure the software you push isn't broken. I mean, what's even the purpose of a package maintainer at that point? Might as well completely abandon the concept of distributions if it outright doesn't work as it should.

>>109622654
>>109622748
To add to this: The "releases" are handled by the distribution, not upstream.

Upstream makes a git release tag for their software, but it's the distributions themselves that are responsible for pulling the release, building it, testing it and pushing it out to users at their own pace. Final QA is ultimately on them.
For something more trivial it's "fine" if bugs slip through, but this should not happen for fundamental packages like the literal most popular desktop environment on Arch.

>>109622790
Well it happens. Looks like Fedora got hit too. That's why we all have our snapshots

>>109622516
>>109622737
>>109622710
yeah I was wrong, I tried normal brave and it's still extremely fucked up and slow too

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>>109622845
>>109622737
>>109622710
>>109622516
WTF It was an extension causing it.
I disabled all of my extension and now brave is gigafast
wtf

>>109622866
> only dogshit extensions

yeah it's your fault

>>109622876
>>109622866
It was this extension
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/save-image-as-png/piigjafeabajlmjkcmcemimcoaekbjmh

Save image as png

It was labeled as a chrome featured extension.
Is there a chance it it malware?
Or just sloppy code that slows things down?

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When did you realise that LXQt is the best DE?
>Nice desktop layout just like KDE Plasma
>More lightweight than Plasma
>Works with both X and Wayland
>Never crashes in my 1.5 years of using it

>>109622956
do you eat beef lil bro?

i played around with linux before but i always gave up, mostly because of driver issues that i could never properly fix.

now i bought an ideapad which should offer greater compatibility than my previous laptops, and since i am more confident on relying on ai to fix the shit i break, i have officially switched to linux. loving omarchy rn

>>109622956
>More lightweight than Plasma
Practical implications? I don't really notice Plasma being heavy.
>Works with X
This is a downside, the developers are wasting maintenance time.

>>109623018
this and that. just steal more ram.

Gnome virtual keyboard doesn't work on chromium and they removed the workaround flags. Fuck jewgle.

>>109623097
gnome users deserve it

>>109623097
fuck gnomies

>>109622956
Doesn't it have worse notification center than XFCE. Last I checked there was no history.

>>109620227
Microsoft didn't invent minimising windows.

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my taskbar does a better job at organizing my windows than your slow ass virtual desktops + i don't have to remember which one of the stupid virtual desktops is which
total virtual desktop death
another tranny meme for retards who like the swipe animations it does and pressing buttons for no reason

>>109623349
>i don't have to remember which one of the stupid virtual desktops is which
That's not how you do it. Instead of remembering where you put X, you always put X on Y.
For example, super + 1 is always my browser.

>>109623365
yeah. that is stupid. just like virtual desktops.

>>109622969
s o y diet

>>109623376
It's just faster. I've been using KDE recently, but my god is window navigation slow compared to a tiling environment. A single hotkey always took me to a browser before, now I either need to alt tab a random amount of times, or use the mouse.

>>109623411
laptop and single monitor cope

>>109623416
I use a desktop with three monitors.

>>109623422
just press super + number on your taskbar. here you go.

>>109623411
idk if you call it a single keystroke if you use a modifier, but you can just super + the number of the icon in the taskbar to jump to it

>>109623443
>>109623456
There's two issues with this, it's not consistent unless you pin everything you want to flick to, and applications with multiple windows are grouped.
Say I have three terminals, I specifically want one of them. Normally this would exist on workspace three, and I'd just press super+3, but now all three terminals exist on my taskbar together on 6.

This more traditional setup is not the worst thing ever, but it's definitely an inferior way to manage windows. I wish KDE allowed the sort of control I get with Sway/Hyprland.

>Thunar is probably the 'best' file manager out of the bunch (bar isn't very high)
>Create a link to a directory (for a certain Steam prefix in order to edit config files later on)
>Double clicking the link does not display the full path but its RELATIVE path instead which is pointless
Why is there always some little thing which is retarded? I don't want to pretend that I'm in some fake directory because that's not the point of links anyway. Who programs this stuff, don't they even use their own computers?

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>>109623476
>Say I have three terminals, I specifically want one of them.
doesn't sound like
>you put X, you always put X on Y.
>For example, super + 1 is always my browser.
to me
i'd just launch tmux inside the one terminal i have open. no need to have multiple terminals.

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>>109623476
>I wish KDE allowed the sort of control I get with Sway/Hyprland.
this?

>>109623502
>doesn't sound like
It is though, yes they're all terminals, but what's inside them is consistent. I leave the terminal I do elevated jobs in on 3, my irc client lives on 8, and my random shit terminal exists on 11 (numpad 1). They're always found by pressing the same keys.

I don't want to use tmux because I may want to view multiple of them at once, it's also less pleasant and more steps to navigate to what I want, bringing us back to the original problem.

>>109623522
I like KDE's Window Rules a lot, but that's not what I meant. I meant management, switching to them, moving them around, etc.
You can actually get kind of close if you dig through the large number of configurable shortcuts available under window management, but their behavior isn't QUITE what I want.

Again this is not a huge issue, but it's definitely a worse experience for me.

>>109623540
>i want to look at multiple of them at once
>i have them on separate virtual desktops

>>109623557
I know you're poor, but some people have more than one monitor. You realize 'virtual desktops' can function independently on each of them right, and that under some window managers you can move them easily between them.

>>109623567
sounds like just a hassle to just have multiple windows "separated" across multiple virtual desktops. is it fun to manage desktops and windows?

>>109623491
>Thunar is probably the 'best' file manager out of the bunch
Other than the dependencies it requires you to pull, I thought it was pretty agreed upon that Dolphin eclipsed every other file manager significantly.

>>109623491
Symlinks work like that everywhere, not just in Thunar

for me working with a lot of applications the "speed" difference in switching between them is not really the bottleneck to my productivity so i don't get the fixation on that.

>>109623589
No, it's just fast. You'd probably understand if you'd used a tiling manager before, or maybe you'd hate it. Regardless, it's very nice and smooth to use.

>>109623626
i used gnome and how gnome people talk about using it and it felt like pretending to do work while not doing anything really. just work space switching for the sake of workspace switching.

>>109623688
I don't understand why you hate the fact that I prefer having hotkeys that pull specific applications/windows to the top of my screen immediately and insist I use alt-tab or my mouse to click on the task bar.

>>109623620
I'm not suggesting it is a bottleneck, it's not some magic bullet to making me more productive, I just find it literally more difficult to get to the exact window I want under a floating system. What does it cost me? Like two seconds. But it feels worse.

>>109623701
how do you manage multiple windows of a single application on a single workspace? do you just alt tab?

>>109623598
Hmm... Double checked with Pcmanfm and yes, that's sadly true. Pretty funny. Oh well I mostly use Yazi or terminal but for gayms and mods it's easier and faster to use a graphical file manager.

>>109610162
Mate's move to GTK4 killed it. Me? I am using Niri.

>>109623735
Manage as in moving them, or using them? If I'm selecting/using them, odds are what I want to use is visible and I can click on it (no need to change to the window, it's literally visible for use), or if it's not a GUI application, I just nudge the mouse into its window which selects it (hover focus) and begin interacting with the keyboard. I could also use super+left/right etc. but I personally don't really do that often.
If I want to move them around I use super+shift+left/right or super+shift+<number> to send them to a different workspace. If I want to move the entire workspace to a different monitor, super+shift+alt+left/right.
I know this doesn't directly specify 'single application', that's because there's no reason for such a distinction, just treat each window uniquely.

I have adopted some of this in KDE. I have windows move across monitors with the last hotkey combo mentioned, but it has annoying behavior, like moving underneath whatever is on the target monitor (???). Moving through/selecting windows with KDE's 'switch to window to the _' shortcuts also behaves weird, usually not focusing the window I expected.

>>109623811
I want to add that the biggest thing for me is actually the moving windows across monitors quickly. It is so incredibly tedious to grab the titlebar of a window on one screen, click and drag it into another, then smash it into the top of that one. I could instead just hold a bunch of mod keys and press left/right and it moves.

>>109623769
>I am using Niri.
doesn't that use gnome desktop portal.

>>109623598
he must be thinking about it like what windows does. windows "shortcuts" are an explorer feature and opening a shortcut to a folder opens the original folder.
major downside to shortcuts is that since it's an explorer feature rather than a filesystem feature, programs have to have support for them specially programmed in, you often can't use them for anything outside of explorer.

>>109623491
if you want something more like a shortcut, make a .desktop file that opens the original folder in your file manager, that's the linux equivalent to shortcuts. symlinks aren't shortcuts.

>>109624626
better than using gnome

>>109622866
I don't understand why you need those "save files" extensions. You can do that without them, and convert them yourself. What...

>>109610162
Anybody have some suggestions for a beginner laptop for distrohopping? I've been maining linux on my gaming laptop for about a week now, (I use arch btw), and did some light distrohopping on a 2017 macbook air, but the drivers are a pain in the ass to install and the keyboard is crap. Anybody know the best laptop for distohopping? I know about thinkpads, but theres a lot of them... I'd just like some advice on which one to choose

>>109624917
>just do more steps bro

>>109623411
Write a script using kdotool. Example I have with Dolphin:

#!/bin/sh

cd "$HOME"/kdotool || exit 1

KDOTOOL="$PWD"/target/release/kdotool

kdotool() {
        "$KDOTOOL" "$@"
}

exec_dolphin() {
        exec /usr/bin/env nohup dolphin "$HOME" > /dev/null 2>&1 & disown
}

if windows="$(kdotool search --class org.kde.dolphin)"
then
        printf "%s\n" "$windows" | while read -r win
        do
                [ -z "$win" ] && continue
                if title="$(kdotool getwindowname "$win")"
                then
                        case "$title" in
                                *"Home — Dolphin"*)
                                        kdotool windowactivate "$win"
                                        exit $?
                                        ;;
                                *)
                                        continue
                                        ;;
                        esac
                fi
        done
        exec_dolphin
else
        exec_dolphin
fi

https://github.com/jinliu/kdotool.git

Why do I have this? Basically I got fed up with Super+E launching a new Dolphin instance when I just wanted it to quickly bring the existing one to the foreground.

>>109623349
window decoration and taskbars are like subtitles in movies or forced ui's in games. the moment those disappear you'll notice a sense of serenity. and when you spend enough time on a system, you'd be a fool not to optimize it for your own, with scripts and shortcuts.

customization is the #1 reason why linux, as a desktop system, is so superior.

>>109610162
Normal Windows UX that makes sense wins again.

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What's the preferred IRC client for KDE? Don't want to neckbeard with text mode clients.

>>109625839
graph doesn't have anything popular right now, I'm linux for 3 months and use a WM because it's just better

>>109625967
Konversation
https://konversation.kde.org/

>>109625967
Konversation is the KDE default and most use it because it just werks.

>>109622177
I got a Dolphin update but still nothing, and I'm on Arch.

>>109625967
Same, Konversation. Used to used Hexchat until it became abandonware, then moved to Konversation

>>109626090
Looks like there's another bug lol
https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/dolphin/-/work_items?show=eyJpaWQiOiI3IiwiZnVsbF9wYXRoIjoiYXJjaGxpbnV4L3BhY2thZ2luZy9wYWNrYWdlcy9kb2xwaGluIiwiaWQiOjI0NDQ0NH0%3D
If you know how to PKGBUILD you could apply the patch yourself I guess

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>>109625973
All standalone window managers combined are barely more popular than KDE alone. And this is just the Arch statistics, where users are more autistic about window managers. Once you go to Ubuntu, Fedora or Debian the window manager users become significantly less relevant.

>>109626005
>>109626106
>>109626106
Damn, it's the shit. Thought I'd get some super bloaty crap because of "Plasma default" but it's a perfectly normal IRC client. And it can auto receive DCC so I can into warez now.
(but what are some warez channels and on which networks?)

>>109626111
Can't believe how unpopular MATE got, damn.

>>109626111
>Once you go to Ubuntu, Fedora or Debian the window manager users become significantly less relevant
And KDE becomes less relevant too

>>109626111
parity pretty much, if we count gnome with KDE.
that's actually pretty cool, thought WMs were in 10% ranges
entry barrier is pretty high, WMs do not come with sane defaults, if people could jump in right away KDE would lose quite a few users I think
not to mention the devil, but Omarchy trying to fix that, the guy responsible for it wants too many things though so it will likely fail
cachy pre installed defaults are okay for WMs, wonder if it's part of arch statistics in pic

>>109626150
Fedora KDE is winning, unc.

>>109626177
See >>109615087

>>109626145
Didn't the lead developer of Ubuntu MATE (I know that's not MATE itself but he worked on the desktop still) leave recently?

MATE seems like an uncertain project. It's still there and still developed but nobody ever talks about it and probably not much people use it either. It doesn't even have the advantage of being lightweight anymore since modern GTK is a pig.

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So Discover is able to upgrade Kubuntu versions and Fedora versions (a big golden banner shows up in Discover telling you that a new version of the distro is available), essentially rewriting your repositories. But will I be able to upgrade from Debian 13 to Debian 14 through Discover?

I wish I could test this using Debian 12, but its version of Discover predates this feature.

>>109626180
We already have Xfce, which can have panel profiles to lay it out like the default MATE. I expect most users have gone to that because at least its seeing improvements. Thunar has larger thumbnails now like Caja.

>>109626196
genuine question, what is the point of debian in 2026? who uses it? what for?

>>109626214
It's stable, well supported and for people who want to get work done.

>>109626090
I just updated to dolphin 26.08.0-3 and I see nothing wrong? Remember display style for each folder is enabled

>>109626214
Good selection of packages in apt, can leave it alone for an eternity and not run into issues when updating, extensively tested for stability. Perfect for my home server. Not up to date enough for desktop use imo. Especially on nvidia unless you want to set up drivers from out of repo.

>>109626232
is it real though? I mean I wouldn't put my server on arch, but likelihood of it blowing up is near zero these days

>>109626232
>>109626243
Stable only means that the versions don't change. The last time I used Debian sddm had a bug that would prevent the system from shutting down that didn't get fixed for two years in the name of stability

>>109626196
Never upgrade to a new version like that with Debian...something will probably break. It should always be done after logging out, going into a tty (since the desktop environment will be upgraded) and following the instructions here:

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/release-notes/upgrading.html

The basic gist of it is making sure Debian 12 is updated to the latest point release, change the sources codename, look out for anything specific in the upgrade that might have to be installed/changed, run the full upgrade process and reboot. If you've only stuck with the official repositories and not made a Frankendebian, things usually go fine. I would never do a full system upgrade through frontends like Discover and Synaptic.

>>109626293
>something will probably break
Kubuntu and Fedora KDE do exactly what your link describes, just automatically: ensures you are on the latest point release of the current version, and then it seds into your repo files to change it to the next version of the distro.

>>109626255
Should've installed a better display manager like lightdm. It would have prompted to change from sddm to lightdm during the install. Never had many issues...just a few bugs that could easily be worked around. The important thing is it was stable and didn't break when upgrading.

>>109626293
>I would never do a full system upgrade through frontends
Why do you not trust the big golden "Upgrade" button in Discover to make sure Kubuntu 24.04/Fedora 43 is updated to the latest point release, change the sources codename, look out for anything specific in the upgrade that might have to be installed/changed, run the full upgrade process and reboot?

>>109626332
So Debian Stable should be called

Debian Stable*

*only a specific subset of packages and no we won't tell you which ones are good

>>109626325
I still wouldn't do it myself as there are things that have to be installed manually if you are upgrading to Debian 13 (like the systemd-cryptsetup package if using cryptsetup). The upgrade button in a frontend implies it will take care of all the prerequisites like that.

sudo pacman -Syu

rate my update script

>>109626344
Stable means stable system image not reliable.

>>109626440
pretty sure stable means - doesn't crash

>>109626446
It actually means "things always crash in the same way"

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>>109626246
I used Arch with a VPS, just worked. It's not a server VS desktop issue it's about the system being a production environment or not. The server pretty much only served a Goatse pic so there wasn't much to break, the system was infinitely simpler than any desktop out there.

>>109626446
It doesn't, it means a package version 1.0 could maybe update to 1.1 or 1.9999 due to a (major) bug fix but never to 2.0.
People use "unstable" systems all the time and they very rarely crash. But they are unstable in the sense that major upgrades can and will happen.

>>109626466
it means stable doesn't mean anything at all, what the fuck

realistically, how long until nvidia drivers aren't steaming garbage on linux ?

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>>109626479
"Stability" is Linux jargon and means the system stays the same. You need that when building complex server setups or some shit like that, not for gaymin and shitposting.

>>109626490
right now? the only problem left is dx12 performance discrepancy with windows I think, like ~20%
AI really forced them to fix it.

>>109626502
I thought you need reproducibility and stability for that. meaning I can build same exact servers and it won't break in an hour. stability isn't reproducibility.

>>109626246
CachyOS is making a server edition of Arch should tell you everything you need to know about its reliability. Yeah, sometimes it might require some manual intervention but most of the time it's not an issue.

>>109626214
In 2026 more things than ever before don't actually depend on your base system packages. That's part of how things like Fedora Atomic editions work. You get a base image and add a bunch of extra junk from different places on top. You can kind of do that with Debian.
>>109626466
You just described LTS. Debian Stable is where the package in Stable freezes at version 1.11 and stays there even when version 1.12 and 1.13 comes out with new bug fixes, and it doesn't move until the next Stable release. In Debian terms Stable means frozen or stale if you're mean.

>>109610162
Are you telling me ppl started using KDE in 2014? Because it was huge in late 00s-early 10s.

>>109626533
It has nothing to do with reproducibility since you're using the same binary packages either way. Stable means stable system image. The software versions and configuration semantics don't change so you can use the same deployment scripts and reference materials. Which is what servers care about.

Stability from an end user perspective is mostly a question of how broken your drivers are. Which on average only trends down as version number goes up. Especially if you're 'lil newfag who didn't buy hardware specifically for Linux.

>>109626150
It doesn't. KDE and GNOME have a 33/66 split in Fedora (see >>109615087), but once you include all the atomic distros it's 50/50 because of Bazzite. No matter how you look at it it's clearly very significant.
>inb4 atomic distros are not Fedora
The whole point of atomic distros is that they are the same distro just with different bullshit on top.

>>109626145
It was a reactionary desktop environment explicitly made because Linux users were unhappy with GNOME 3. It was never relevant to begin with because there were other reactionary desktop environments made alongside it, and only Cinnamon ended up surviving and staying relevant.

>>109626502
It's not Linux jargon, it's devops jargon which was adopted by Debian to trick dummies into thinking it's bug-free since most people think "stabe=no bugs".

>>109626579
It's tracking desktop environments by package names. KDE renamed the package to plasma-workspace in late 2013.

>>109626490
TBA

>>109610162
Gnome with a few extensions that get rid of its mistakes is the best DE Linux has.

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>Gnome... is the best DE

>>109626731
But I also need a real file manager like dolphin, a real document viewer like okular, a real bittorrent client like qbittorrent, etc.

DEs suck, I'd stay on windows if I wanted same thing.
I don't even need a bar, only the wm

If Gnome is good why is it so shit then?

>>109610162
gnomeoids did this to themselves