>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/
German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

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9070xt is the best gpu of this gen

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who here /klarnamaxxed/?

>>109619851
I guess I have 1311€ of unsettled charges on my credit card if that counts.

do you /g/entlemen use a headset with mic or just raw dog it with speakers?

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>>109619851
I should've done the PayPal BNPL 20% discount for the 9800X3D + X870E Apex + 6400MT/s CL36 memory + 360 AIO last year.
But it was more for new hardware tuning than a cost effective upgrade.
The out of pocket expense would've gone down to less than $400 if I sold that mediocre RAM kit today (don't need that AIO either).

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>>109619923
shp9500 + v moda boom pro. you get great directional awareness with those.

Is the 9070 enough for 1440p? What CPU should I pair with it

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Looking for a New PSU for this set-up, only thing I'd really look at upgrading is the CPU to the max this board can handle which is round about the AMD4 5800x3d but only if I would to find a good deal on it so not that big priority.

In the UK so I'd prob throw something like 50 to 100 bongs at it, though I really don't want to to throw excess cash on something that's going too go to waste on this setup. something preferably at least gold standard as my last PSU, a cheep Thermaltake smart series 600w 80 silver and the PCI E cable or rail went on it, Then shortly after the rest of it. If there is a good modular PSU in this price bracket that would be a plus as well

Also a budget UPS recommendation would be grateful as I'm convinced the wiring in this room is dodgy as hell.

>>109619923
speakers and headphones with table mic

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>>109619778
my chud son

>>109620018
Forgot to mention on this, I would need 2 separate PCI cabels, I'm not going back to just one cable with two connectors on as I think that's prob what caused my last one to fail.

>do motherboard manager auto fan tuning
>check AIO pump
>it's at 80% but goes up to 100%
AIO pump should run at constant speed shouldn't it?

>>109620099
aio pumps should not run at all until the cpu reaches operation temperature

>>109620007
5800x at minimum

>200€ for only 1TB of a nvme drive
Fuck AI

>>109620109
Zen 5 9800x?

>>109620018
These are all overkill and within your budget.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/2W26Mp/cooler-master-mwe-gold-750-v3-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpx-7503-afag-2buv
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/7MYfrH/fractal-design-ion-3-gold-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-fd-p-ia3g-750
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/yWJBD3/be-quiet-pure-power-13-m-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp026us
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/VfgZxr/fractal-design-ion-3-gold-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-fd-p-ia3g-850
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/sqbypg/montech-century-ii-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-century-ii-850w

You might as well spend the few extra quid and get a 850W and practically use it forever.
I'd get one of the Fractal Ion 3 PSU, built by SeaSonic, has quiet fans & a 10-year warranty. Next choice would be either the be Quiet or Montech.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/fractal-ion-3-gold-1000w-psu-review/all/1/

>>109620135
There is no 9800x just 9800x3d

Anything 5800x or up

>>109620120
Newegg gave me two for free last year just for buying parts

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>>109620007
you can get away with a weaker cpu on amd gpus

>>109620007
I'm happy with my 9070 at 1440p but I don't play AAA slop.

>>109619778
wow, such a pretty PC in picrel, I'd kill for this build.

>>109620099
Most motherboards' fan/pump header doesn't set it to run at a constant RPM by default.
You should change the pump to run at constant RPM (as fast as your ears can tolerate the noise, between 50~80%).

>>109620108
An idle pump is very bad for the AIO.
Arctic's customer service say their Liquid Freezer pump speed should be set to at least 33%.
The liquid lubricates the pump, setting the RPM too low increases friction and reduces longevity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3d9Jcy9xF4
nvidia is in shambles

>>109619851
>who here /klarnamaxxed/?
I'm unironically thinking about it, I built years of trust with them, I can literally spend 5k now, they increased my limit over time

>>109620214
their gpus are incapable of playing games at high refresh rates without ai frames LMAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyEILrjuZJI

>>109620214
There is over £100 difference between these two cards what a dumb comparison

>>109620219
time to redeem a 5090 or 192gb of ram

>>109620149
Appreciate the response, and the Overkill part is really why I'm asking about in here as I'm not really sure what type of wattage this build would even need to pull even with an upgraded cpu, so I don't really want to go overkill or Future proof with this build as if I was to do a upgrade outside the Max CPU for the board, I'd prob get an entire new rig and keep what ever PSU I get now in this machine.

I'll check out the fist ones you listed anyway, I did set the budget at 50 bongs upwards just because of the extra features and 80 rating rather then pure wattage or pcie 5 ready as like fuck will I be getting a new graphics card any time soon.

>>109620210
this motherboard sets it to 80% default put ramps it up to 100% if the temps go high. I found conflicting information with some saying it should be constant but others mentioning a bit of variance won't do it any harm.

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>>109619923
I use these. Hedd D1 ($800) + Qudelix 5k ($109) + 11 cable ties ($0.40) + 3d printed capra strap ($0.27)

All because apparently open back wireless headphones are virtually non-existent.

>>109620232
Luckily my hardware is still good, I'll wait at least till Ps6 / Project Helix. I don't wanna buy hardware now, just to be outclassed by a fucking console, I know... that's highly unlikely with a fucking 5090

>>109620228
it's like 20 euroshekels here (cheapest of the cheapest mind you)

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>>109620214
absolute slaughter

>>109620235
>this build would even need to pull even with an upgraded cpu
750W is enough if you plan to get something like a 9070 XT with a 5800X3D.
Decent 650W PSUs cost about as much as a 750W unit.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/xfV2FT/msi-mag-a650gl-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a650gl

>>109620214
>>109620224
where's amd's 5090 killer? I'm not buying a gpu with 2022 performance

>>109620260
>faster card is faster than slower card
Nvidiabros.. its over

>>109620272
have fun getting your cpu raped my the nvidia driver

>>109620275
this is just windows. amd is 30% faster on linux.
nvidia is 25% slower on linux.

>>109620240
>found conflicting information
Try thinking for yourself.
Changes in pump motor speed put unnecessary wear and tear on the internal components.
Let the radiator's fans ramp up and down.

>>109620277
All our cpus are getting raped around the clock by vibe coded software anyway even our os

>>109620277
the 9070xt is slower than a "raped" 5090 so that makes the radeon gpu double raped

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>>109620272
the 5090 is slower than the 7900xtx

>>109620272
9070 XT is within 30% of the 5090 at high refresh rate gaming. You really don't need more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyEILrjuZJI

>>109620293
the 5090 is slower than the last gen amd card.

>>109620294
Radeonfags try to make an apples to apples comparison challenge impossible

>>109620295
actually, i need at least 2x rtx5090 performance to hit my monitor's native refresh rate anon

>>109620286
mine isn't. i play on linux and have a proper working hardware scheduler.
>>109620293
the 5090 doesn't scale as you would expect it to do tho >>109620224
imagine paying 3k for that thing

Retardeon cherry picking unpopular games that underperformed & are abandoned by the devs with existing performance issues.
FFXVI is using some jank fork of the FF14 engine, which is no longer maintained.
Seek mental help.

>>109620280
I'll just set it to 100% as it's not really loud anyway. Thanks

>>109620294
Last time I used Linux with an nvidia card I was crashing on the desktop repeatedly I think it's impressive that the game even opened on the 5090. Big win for nvidia.

RR 4.5 just raped AMD, i am crying and shaking

>>109620318
Compare the temperature difference between 80% and 100% RPM.
Max pump RPM is usually a waste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7U9QZhulXk

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>>109620294

>>109620339
amd gamers are gaming like it's still 2020... i feel bad for them

>>109620339
>87fps
>75fps
nice gpu you got there. would be a shame if it ran like shit. no refunds. you better turn on those ai frames hahahaa.

>>109620339
S-smoother frame time graph on the radeon tho

>>109620250
Find me the cheapest 5070 and the cheapest 9070 xt. The cheapest 5070 is £480 or there abouts. The cheapest 9070xt is still approaching £600

>>109620333
while browsing with the CPU not really being utilised the temp difference between 80 and 100% really is non existing. I'll have to check while playing or doing a benchmark. In my previous setup with the same CPU I'd run into package temps of 95°C when doing a benchmark after playing Nioh 3 for some hours

>>109620339
>fake bench channel
lmao

>>109619778
>>OS
>Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
Can I also use Gnu/Linux with all the hardware you have listed above?

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>>109620395
https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&xf=13878_GeForce+RTX+5070&pagesize=30&sort=p&promode=true
https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&xf=13876_Radeon+RX+9070+XT&pagesize=30&sort=p&promode=true

>>109620157
I meant Ryzen 5 9600x

>>109620406
No

>>109620406
No

>>109620420
you could at least post the .eu version

5090 has less rops than 7900xtx
the 5090 runs at lower clock rate as well
take that as you will

>>109620429
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=gra16_512&xf=13878_GeForce+RTX+5070&pagesize=30&sort=p&promode=true&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=eu&hloc=pl&hloc=uk
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=gra16_512&xf=13876_Radeon+RX+9070+XT&pagesize=30&sort=p&promode=true&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=eu&hloc=pl&hloc=uk

>>109620431
Jayztwocents level comprehension of microarchitecture

>>109620425
>>109620428
Thanks, which parts should I avoid?

Why does America even allow its trade fiefdom to have graphics cards? We should cut europe off. Gaming is bad for the gdp

>>109620444
nvidia gpus
motherboards with shitty nics that don't support linux
shitty nvme ssds that don't properly support linux

>>109620398
Tuning the radiator fan curve makes a bigger difference in terms of quality of life & performance.
Link below shows a guide on how to set different types of AIO fan curves for major board manufacturer BIOS.
https://support.arctic.de/pwm-settings

You don't need an Arctic AIO to use their recommended fan curves, and you don't have to follow their exact PWM % either.

Ryzen 5 9600x
Rx 9070
AIO
Gigabyte b850 aorus elite wifi 7
32 gigs ddr5
2tb SSD
1000w PSU
1440p 210hz monitor

I know the 1000w and AIO are overkill, I'm just wondering if there's anything wrong here

>>109620518
Looks fine, hf building & using it.

>>109620518
yeah. the aio and the psu
replace the aio with the thermalright phantom and replace the psu with an 750w unit
get a 7800x3d instead of the 9600x

>>109620518
>radeon gpu

>>109620540
*spirit

>>109620518
Also by dding peripherals the final cost is 2350. Don't know if that's good or not

>>109620420
Why lie?

https://www.galaxus.de/de/s1/product/zotac-geforce-rtx-5070-twin-edge-oc-12-gb-gddr7-grafikkarte-57308568?offertype=retail&offerid=2705624&tduid=dc000dd4a0b67ec27163b464da6261dc&utm_source=2202263_PCPartPicker+DE&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=channel-sales

What's the current state of 14th gen Intel CPU's? Say I have a 12400 and plenty of DDR4 RAM, and I'd like to up to a high end chipset mobo with a 14900K. Did Shintel finally fixed all the woes of the 14th gen and it's safe to buy it without having to worry about it cooking itself with excessive voltages or shitting the bed under load? Or would a 12900K be a safer bet all things considered?

>>109620568
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0F1Y26X4M?linkCode=xm2&smid=A20GD6HTWXXD32&creative=22662&creativeASIN=B0F1Y26X4M&tag=geizhals10-21&language=de_DE&ascsubtag=mp_de

>>109620572
It's safe and has a 5 year warranty now anyway but also the 14900k is not much of an upgrade over alder lake so replacing your mobo for it is kind of wild

>>109620568
Thanks for this. Completely destroyed his claims. Don't know why AMD shills always lie on this board.

>>109620572
12900k or 14600k are the safe choices on that platform

I still can't decide on a gpu for my 5500 build. I was think a rx 7600 but they're $300

>>109620595
I'm on a B660 mobo so idk if there's a point of an in-socket upgrade from a 12400 to a 14900K or a 12900K. That and the potential need to get a contact frame cuz I run a Peerless Assassin 120 SE and I don't want to use an AIO, I like to have less fault points in things like these.

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Do you actually need an UPS? or is a power surge protector enough?

>>109620572
there's no reason to get a 12900K in 2026
unless you get a really good deal on it i suppose
(those are usually safe to buy used so definitely possible)

if you're still scared of voltage get a 14700K and downclock to 5.2 GHz (max boost frequency of the 12900K)
you now have a chip that runs LOWER voltage than 12th gen, with a better memory controller, more E-cores, slightly more cache and faster ring clocks

>>109620678
used 3080/4070

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>>109620572
Update the board BIOS to the latest stable version, it should have CPU microcode 0x12F.
Learn how to set CPU IA VR Voltage Limit in the BIOS (1.4~1.45V limit)
If you're buying a 14900K, configure the AC/DC loadlines and matching VR LLC to trim off excess voltage delivery & get more accurate CPU VID requests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G-Y0yDSfeA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7TBEiygGNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5zDWWSKyjM

If all this sounds crazy, settle for a 14600K, and set a 1.35V VR Voltage Limit.

Best thermalright cooler? Noctua goes over the budget.

>>109620777
cheapest dual tower they make.

>>109620774
>Learn how to set CPU IA VR Voltage Limit in the BIOS (1.4~1.45V limit)
Can I do that on a Gigabyte B660 Gaming X? No? Then I'll need a Z chipset mobo to upgrade to a 14900K. I'd like to have a strong single P-core performance so I don't want to settle for a lower SKU.

>>109620777
Just buy the noctua Rajesh

>>109620807
Update the BIOS and see if you can access the VRM option in the first video I linked.
https://youtu.be/2G-Y0yDSfeA?t=711

If you're seriously considering a 14900K, the board must have that IA VR Voltage Limit setting exposed to the end user.
The option is listed in different names for other motherboard brands, Z- boards should have it..

>>109620828
I'd have to reboot to check which options I have, but also idk if they'll get enabled with a -K CPU, since they don't do anything on my non-K one and I don't want to find out I need a Z- chipset to be able to adjust that shit.

>>109620777
Royal Pretor is slightly better than Phantom Spirit which is slightly better than Peerless Assassin. Royal Knight is marginally worse but has a slimmer front fan for ram clearance purposes

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>>109620807
>Can I do that on a Gigabyte B660 Gaming X? No?
yes
>>109620836
VR voltage limit is not an overclocking option, it should work on all CPUs and boards

>>109620828
My 14900k isn't allowed to go above 1.425v it's been good for over a year now

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>>109620836
The CPU voltage limit setting is available for MSI B660 boards, so it should be in your Gigabyte board as well.
Board vendors were allowed to either expose or hide this feature, most of them should've made it available after the Raptor Lake degradation issues became well known.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/undervolting-on-b660-tomahawk-ddr4-board.410062/

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Oh wait, forgot I did a screenshot of that. But last time I tried UV-ing my 12400 no settings seemed to affect it, then again I don't think I touched these.

>>109620836
You'll need to update the BIOS of your existing board if you can't find this setting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1vvf3bs/insane_night_and_day_difference_for_ray/

NVIDIA RAY TRACING GODS WON

>>109620972
wao... slightly sharper reflections on something you aren't going to spend a microsecond paying attention to in a match... revolutionary...

worst part is you turn off all these settings and play on low for fps slop

>>109620866
Optimally undervolting using B- boards requires you to understand how CPU AC/DC LL works with the board's voltage regulator (VR) LLC, because B- boards don't allow you disable Current Excursion Protection (CEP).
This limitation teaches you how to properly set AC/DC LL according to Intel recommendations (AC LL = DC LL).
Third video I linked somewhat covers this, you basically want to match your VR LLC impedance to your AC/DC loadline values.
https://youtu.be/a5zDWWSKyjM?t=957

A correctly set motherboard should have VR LLC impedance = CPU AC/DC LL.
The practical way to validate this condition is to compare the CPU VID and Vcores value reported by your motherboard while the CPU's under heavy multicore loads.
If the Vcore sensor reporting is extremely accurate (it isn't), Vcore = CPU VID.

If you want to be really schizo about this, you want the Vcore to report higher voltages than VID by 20 millivolts (or even more) to account for reporting inaccuracies.
No one knows the exact offset you should account for, only board manufacturers & Intel have the tools to validate this. I advise you to be conservative.
>Load the CPU with an all-core workload like Prime95 SmallFFT.
>Check the CPU VID against the Vcore reported by your motherboard's Super I/O sensor.
>Because motherboard Vcore sensors aren't perfectly accurate, factor in a +20 mV to +50 mV offset.
Increasing AC LL increases the actual delivered voltage and your reported Vcore.
Matching DC LL to AC ensures your CPU reports accurate power consumption and VID.

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>built a top tier pc to game
>don't game

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>built a top tier pc to game
>revert back to 1080p 60fps in window mode

>>109620120
Back in 2023, you could have gotten 4TB for that price

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>5090 + 5070 Ti
>Most demanding game I've played in years is Dwarf Fortress
>Just do AI stuff instead with my rig.

It's way more fun.

I'm thinking of going for AM4 because AM5 is just so stupidly expensive right now, I'm planning on playing on 1440p so it should be fine right?

>>109620989
>If the Vcore sensor reporting is extremely accurate (it isn't), Vcore = CPU VID
a B660 isn't going to have die sense voltage
so the Vcore reported by motherboard sensors is always going to be higher than what is actually hitting the cores
(will be measured either at the socket or the VRM)

>>109621112
you could get away with 16gb ddr5 ram kits to weather the storm. They are about as expensive as ddr4 32gb and you would be more future proof.

>>109621114
My point is that reporting condition should remain the same after he plays around with the AC/DC LL to undervolt the CPU.
If the reported CPU VID is equal or higher than the physical Vcore under a heavy load, it means his undervolted AC/DC LL has been set too low relative to his baord's VR LLC.
He'd have to lower the VR LLC impedance level or increase the AC/DC LL to correct that mismatch.

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>buy a high end pc to game
>only play 10-20 year old titles

Say if I don't undervolt a 14900K on a B660 with the stock mounting and a PA120SE on it. Just do an in-socket upgrade as-is. How fucked would I be?

>>109621160
Nothing bad will happen to the chip if you set the voltage limit.
Multicore performance will likely be throttled because the CPU's basically overvolted @ stock 1.1mOhms AC/DC LL.

>>109621166
So, if I were to undervolt it, the four settings I'll be tweaking are:
>CPU VCore Loadline Calibration
>IA AC Loadline
>IA DC Loadline
>IA VR Voltage Limit
And I use the same value for both AC and DC when tweaking them? I'm not Buildzoid so I need dumbed down instructions on what to tweak by how much to then run a synthetic workload and monitor the performance and stability to know when I'm getting regressions to find the sweet spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXK-F0SjC_E
intel bros....

>>109621211
Lienus can't keep scraping the bottom of the content barrel harder now can he?
At least I can give him this: he's sticking to doing content about computer hardware instead of moping about AI and going onto fellow AIDS sufferer podcasts like the obese North Carolinan neanderthal Steve Burke.

>>109621149
i agree but just saying, on some boards with a high-end CPU, Vcore is gonna be +100mV over your VID, because it's measuring before any losses from the motherboard traces and socket pins
these might work for a GIGABYTE board: https://youtu.be/oIIj9kJHf6o?t=3948
>>109621160
100% going to throttle even at the stock power limit, but your board can handle it (8*60A VRM)
>>109621211
>the newest CPU
>6 years old

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>>109621151

>>109621231
>100% going to throttle even at the stock power limit
And if I were to dabble with the undervolt? Would that be enough to avoid having to deal with contact frames? I don't feel like either paying premium for a Kraut scammer's piece of CNC'd metal or deal with instabilities because I used too much/too little torque.

>>109621243
i mean you're still gonna have to lower the power limit, probably to <200W, but do you care if you get 35k or 40k points in cinebench? nothing will explode
if you're considering the 14900K because of "omg 6ghz!!!", rather than core count, that's gonna be rare to hit on any configuration after the microcode update (especially if you get a bad bin)

5500x3d for 200bux? i am stuck on a 3600 and am4 for now.

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>>109621151
based

>>109621208
Exactly, you should confirm 253W CPU power limit is applied in the BIOS before you run Prime95 Small FFT.
I'd also lower maximum operating temperature down to 95°C or 90°C.

Start with the value 80 for IA AC & DC LL, default should be shown to be 110.
Run Prime95 Small FFT while HWInfo is collecting sensor details.
You want the Vcore voltage value to report about 20~50mV higher than VID (you decide this).

If Vcore voltage is reporting over your offset target compared to VID, you can lower AC/DC LL further.
If Vcore voltage is equal or lower than VID, either raise the AC/DC values or change the VCore Loadline Calibration to a lower impedance profile (most likely going towards Extreme on Gigabyte boards).

The chip should be safe with all these changes & testing As long as you set 1.4V CPU voltage limit.
Raise the limit up to 1.45V after you're done with these tests if you want.

You can settle for VID = Vcore if you don't want to be this schizo, it's impossible to set this perfectly accurate Vcore offset with our tools.
The main point of this exercise is to remove a decent chunk of the excess voltage delivered to the CPU.

>>109621329
>you should confirm 253W CPU power limit is applied in the BIOS
I'm fucking retarded, how would I do that?
>Start with the value 80 for IA AC & DC LL, default should be shown to be 110
What does it mean btw? The voltage limit is simple: 1400 = 1.4V and not more, can't fry my CPU with that setting so I'm only on the lookout for instabilities and/or performance degradation.
>The chip should be safe with all these changes & testing As long as you set 1.4V CPU voltage limit
That's the thing. This shit's way more complex than undervolting my GPU where I had an easy way of telling what to do and test. See what clock the GPU hits, see the voltage. Set the target clock on a lower voltage knowing that it's lower than what it draws normally, force it to not exceed that clock and voltage, run 3DMark for 20 mins and if it passed without crashing it's stable. Here I'd have to babysit three-four separate parameters that I don't understand the relation of and every time I wanted to tweak them I'd need to reboot.

For example, what does the loadline calibration setting do? How the AC/DC loadline settings relate to it? How to know how to adjust them depending on what I'm seeing from HWiNFO to find my silicon lottery sweet spot?

>>109621422
>I'm fucking retarded, how would I do that?
Ever heard of a BIOS manual?
>all other questions
just watch a shittube tutorial at that point, maybe you're lucky and there is even one for your mainboard

>>109620499
I know how to set it in the bios thanks but the newest ASUS motherboards have MB Manager tool that comes with some auto fan calibration configurator I ran. I only saw that it changes the AIO pump from constant to a variable speed. I set it back to 80% now.

>>109621434
>just watch a shittube tutorial at that point
If the only tutorials that I can find on YouTube are Buildzoid spending an hour rambling about nonsense and 5 minutes saying exactly what I'm looking for, I might as well pay out of my ass for DDR5 and get an AM5 mobo just not to deal with this bullshit. I get that he's an engineer but holy shit I do not need to know how every single transistor works to know how to tweak the BIOS to get the result I want.

>>109621422
>For example, what does the loadline calibration setting do? How the AC/DC loadline settings relate to it?
A few things happen when you boot up your PC.
>The CPU is communicating with your motherboard to understand the board's electrical / power delivery characteristics .
>The CPU reads the DC LL value, incorporates it to the CPU's factory fused voltage / frequency table to send VID requests reflecting the board VRM characteristics.
DC LL value is supposed to inform the CPU how good/bad the board traces are between the CPU's VRM to the socket.
Higher AC/DC LL is supposed to mean there's a decent amount of electrical resistance going from the VRM to the CPU socket, so the VRM needs to feed more volts to the CPU for stable power delivery under heavy current load.

Why we need to change DC LL value:
- In an ideal world, the board's AC/DC LL value is automatically to be set for efficient & stable power delivery across any compatible silicon quality.
- After the Raptor Lake degradation issue, board vendors didn't want to deal with board RMAs and took the easiest way out (set maximum AC/DC values acceptable under Intel spec to prevent CPU crashes).
What we've been instructing you removes that unnecessary overvolt.

>For example, what does the loadline calibration setting do? How the AC/DC loadline settings relate to it?
This is a longer topic that is beyond the scope of /pcbg/ discussion, and I'm going back to my lunch.
VR LLC controls physical voltage drop under load (Vdroop), while AC/DC loadlines tell the CPU how to match its voltage requests and telemetry to that board behavior.

All these settings basically tells the CPU how your motherboard works.
Stock settings basically tells the CPU that your motherboard is complete garbage and needs a lot of voltage compensation under heavy current load.
You are trying to unfuck all that.

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>>109620568
This is what I'm seeing.

I wouldn't pay for more than a B580 if I'm planning to get 12GB of VRAM in 2026, too.

Should i go for the intel 270k plus or get the Ryzen 7 9800X3D?
i feel like the AMD one is better on just about any front
>faster
>lower TDP so less heath
going to get a peerless assassin 140 cooler with it

>>109621562
>>109621422
>After the Raptor Lake degradation issue, board vendors didn't want to deal with board RMAs and took the easiest way out (set maximum AC/DC values acceptable under Intel spec to prevent CPU crashes
This shouldn't be correct anymore. At least on my board.
The baseline shit was a weird cope by board vendors. It's literally not applicable to anything but Intel's own internal lab testing motherboards and extremely shitty boards.

Stock BIOS in 2025+ should have an AC/DC load line that should represent the actual VRM/socket resistance.

If set correctly. The actual vcore reading should match the VIDs reported by BIOS (VIDs in BIOS silicon quality reports assume 0.0mohm/no droop)
Actual use should have VIDs be a little higher than the actual vcore sensor because of VRM resistance.

Beyond confirming that I wouldn't fuck with anything. I guess that's probably easy to say when my CPU is like a 1.4v golden sample but I've had my 14900k since almost release.

>>109621422
>This shit's way more complex than undervolting my GPU
GPUs give you one slider you can adjust and maybe things will happen, if it feels like it
same as AMD where they give you "curve optimizer" and you can set a lower number and maybe it will do something, or maybe not
intel approach is better even if they're terrible at documenting how the options are supposed to work
(and motherboard manufacturers don't seem to understand them either so they ran misconfigured settings for years)
>>109621448
>I get that he's an engineer
lol pretty sure he dropped out
but he has access to an oscilloscope
so compared to all other techtubers he's a real engineer
>>109621761
>Stock BIOS in 2025+ should have an AC/DC load line that should represent the actual VRM/socket resistance
they do but they configure a very droopy LLC by default
my ASUS board runs level 3 LLC, 1.1mOhm AC/DC LL out of the box
it definitely doesn't need that much Vdroop to remain stable, especially since CEP will catch the undershoot
they also disable TVB voltage optimizations which is intel spec and supposed to shave off 50mV at idle

>>109621749
Wait a half year for nova lake, its going to stomp zen 6

>>109621848
starting at 290W TDP

>>109621848
i'm not in a position to wait my current PC is dying

>>109621848
no avx512

>>109621816
>lol pretty sure he dropped out
Either way, even if he doesn't have the title, he has the knowledge and skills. That I don't need. I don't need to know how exactly these BIOS settings affect the low level electronics. All I need to know is how I should prod them to reach the desired result of a lower power draw, lower temps, without losing performance or causing instabilities.

I'd like to see a clear-cut tutorial for undervolting that tells me what to adjust, by how much, and what to look for when benchmarking to know if I should go back or not.
https://github.com/ddening/nvidia-undervolt/blob/main/Nvidia%20Overclocking.md
Something as clear and concise as this is what I'm looking for.
I appreciate all the in-depth explanations, but they confuse me more than what I need to know. I'm especially not looking forward to listening to Buildzoid fumble around to explain something he could've explained in less than a minute. At least it helps me understand how I sound to other people when I ramble on about shit I could've explained in two sentences.

So in short:
-I can't cook my shit no matter how badly I fuck up my settings if I set a hard 1.4V voltage limit
-I should set a high loadline calibration so that the voltages won't drop and the 1.4V voltage limit will prevent any damage
-AC/DC loadline settings say how high the trace resistance is so I want to lower the values, but again, can't burn my shit with the 1.4V limit in place
-The voltage limit *is* the hard undervolt and everything else I'm tuning is basically meant to ensure that my voltage won't drop too low under that UV target
-One more sanity check: I cannot cook my CPU no matter how much I fuck up the loadline tuning if the voltage limit is set to 1.4V where normally the 14900K pulls 1.55V and all I'm looking out for are instabilities and performance degradation
Am I getting that right?

How do I go about modding my Define 7 XL top panel to have airflow because I’m a retard who threw away the ventilated extra panel that came with it way back when I got it.

Or is there a cheap large size tower with up to date IO and lots of rails for fans? Nothing fancy no RGB or windows just a big monolith but for not rape prices

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>>109621972
>How do I go about modding my Define 7 XL top panel to have airflow because I’m a retard who threw away the ventilated extra panel that came with it way back when I got it.

>>109621911
>All I need to know is how I should prod them to reach the desired result of a lower power draw, lower temps, without losing performance or causing instabilities
the CPU predicts a "worst case" voltage to request from the VRM based on the active load
this depends on how many cores are active, if the AVX units are active, your ICCMAX, etc
but in short: lower AC LL means better performance and lower average voltage
(because the distance between your "average case" and "worst case" voltage is smaller)

intel intends you to match AC LL = DC LL = VRM LL
you can get away with not doing that sometimes, but there's no reason to do so

>I can't cook my shit no matter how badly I fuck up my settings if I set a hard 1.4V voltage limit
yes
i wouldn't run ultra extreme LLC but even then you're not gonna cook the CPU
>I should set a high loadline calibration so that the voltages won't drop and the 1.4V voltage limit will prevent any damage
>AC/DC loadline settings say how high the trace resistance is so I want to lower the values
yes, on your board higher LLC level = lower AC LL = lower DC LL
so extreme is lower AC LL than medium, for example
>The voltage limit *is* the hard undervolt
no, the voltage limit doesn't undervolt your CPU at all
if it hits the voltage limit it will downclock
so if you have a 14900K that needs 1.5V for 6ghz and you set a 1.4V limit it will never hit 6ghz

>Am I getting that right?
pretty much
can't help you with finding out what AC LL corresponds to each VRM level, there are usually people on overclocking forums who have figured it out (or gotten info from the manufacturer)
or you can try the method the other anon shared

see this post is still really long but oh well, if i could just give you the exact values to set in the BIOS i would

Damn Phanteks XT pro is perfect but it only comes in mid

DARKROCK Classico Max Looks perfect but should I really get hung over no usb c in the front…

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>>109622043
probably one of the biggest mid towers out there

>>109621895
Yes avx512, plus apx

please do not buy asus rog monitors, i fell for the meme, they are pure shit

>>109621895
nova lake has avx10.2 and apx
avx512 is subset of avx10.2
zen 6 lacks both

>>109622116
which one did you get and what's wrong with it?

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>avx512 is subset of avx10.2
intel cope is unreal

>>109622142
Intel's AVX-512 support ever since Big-Little is a joke
>Alder Lake happens
>supports AVX-512
>only on P-cores
>actually you can't use that
>microcode disables AVX-512 on Alder Lake
>even if you don't have E-cores like on a 12400
>it then gets fused off of the silicon in later batches
>come up with AVX-10
>a fancy schmancy workaround to support AVX-512 on Big-Little CPU's
Shame that fuck-ups like these decided in replacing Pat with Lip. No longer do we have an oldhead engineer at the helm of Intel, now we have a smarmy chink that'll gladly fuck everything up for profit.

>frogshitter
>amdrone
>retarded
checks out

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>AVX10 (including AVX10.2) is a superset of core AVX-512 features, not a subset. AVX10 incorporates and standardizes core AVX-512 vector instructions and registers while moving to a version-based feature enumeration model.
>AVX10 includes all essential AVX-512 functional capabilities (like 32 vector registers and mask registers), making AVX10 the broader superset encompassing AVX-512 functionality.

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which of these do I plug the CPU and GPU into

>frogshitter doesn't know what subset and superset means
brown ESL you just proved me right
avx512 is a subset of avx10.2
avx10.2 is a superset of avx512
did your shitbrain get it

>Intel bad
>AMD good
>2016_pepe_reaction_image.jpg
>"Heh, I owned these Intel faggots"
In practice, AVX10 = AVX512. Not like this monkey would ever get it.

>>109622230
PCIE is GPU

>>109622276
and the CPU?

>>109622291
there's only one option left... so what do you think?

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Mid-towers are mid

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>>109622230
>>109622291
Here's what I did:
>look up model name
>open manufacturer's site
>there's a link for the manual
>download and open it
>get answer
Use your brain, retard-kun.

>>109622291
P8

>>109621848
Nova Lake is another skip™ generation.
You shouldn't buy the first generation of a new hardware feature (bLLC).
Enterprise customers are waiting® to see whether server chips with those tiles are worth ordering.

I bought the Lian Li B4 (21.3L so smaller than the 26L of the A3). Fits a mATX board so you're not stuck with Mini ITX. It was an absolute pain in the ass to get the peerless assasian 140 and 7900 xtx hellhound in this bitch but the thermals are perfect and the computer is basically inaudible, and barely audible when under load in games (69-70C max CPU and GPU temps).

My only complaint is that I have nfi how I'm going to mount a 2.5 SSD in it but for now I'll stick with just the one nvme drive I have. The anon who told me that it would be a portable space heater was wrong

Here’s a protip don’t buy the 420mm aio because it’s the funny weed number get the 360mm because it’s the same amount of cooling power and you won’t get cucked out of compatibility with cases

>>109622774
didnt you check your cases specs before buying?

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>brokie cope is so strong they invent the 5090 being slower than a 9070XT

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>tfw bought a 9950x3d, 5090, 96gb ram pc before the price hikes
>can't justify using it anymore, don't want to put wear and tear on such an expensive pc anymore just to play old games or indie games
>use my old 8700k, 1080, 32gb ddr4 pc instead
What else am I supposed to do?

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>>109622875
Get help. Use the stuff you bought at stricter power limits if you're worried about longevity.
Downclock the CPU & GPU as well.

>>109622230
MB is motherboard. CPU is the smaller MB obviously.

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>Bro get a x3d cpu, it will stop UE5 stuttering

going to get a 9800x3d and some assrock x870 mobo
should i go for a aio or a air cooler? i've never really done watercooling because i felt like letting me have water near a open pc case is just begging for a disaster

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>>109623068
I suggest the X870E Nova, or the Taichi if your case can fit in an EATX board.
Get the Taichi OCF if you want to go full retard.

>>109623092
why should i spend so much on a motherboard though?
i have a Fractal Torrent so yeah i can do EATX, actually always wanted to try one

>>109623061
ue5 frame delivery feels like wiping your ass with a bunch of hair

my CPU hits 90°C when downloading steam games on my new troonix PC for some reason.

was Noctua NH-D15 a bad choice or am i just being retarded?

>>109623221
turn off shader pre caching under download settings. i find them annoying to download and compile.

>>109623221
What CPU do you use?
What are the temps while gaming?

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>>109623128
>why should i spend so much on a motherboard though?
Nova and Taichi are higher end boards that are deeply discounted in the US.
People lost confidence in ASRock boards because of higher reported reliability issues, ASRock is discounting their boards to attract some customers.

Taichi was supposed to sell at over $400 (now $300).
Nova's launch price was $350 and people were saying that's a great deal considering its PCIe lane configuration & other features (now $230).
If you're not worried about the possibility of your CPU degrading in an ASRock board, you might as well get their better options @ a good discount.

>i have a Fractal Torrent
Go air cooling for that case, it's not designed to make the most out of an AIO or custom liquid cooling.
You could fit an AIO on the front panel, but that's not the best way to set up the Torrent.

>i'm not in the US
Why the hell are you considering ASRock boards then?

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Buying a SSD from my OS drive, which one of these should I get from microcenter so many options

>>109622762

Every PC is a portable space heater, only because it's good at getting heat out of the case doesn't mean it's still not dumping 300-400watts of energy to the surrounding environment.

>My only complaint is that I have nfi how I'm going to mount a 2.5 SSD in it

Who cares about mounting it, get some doublesided tape and stick it somewhere

>>109623231
>Why the hell are you considering ASRock boards then?
i dont know i want something thats not Gigabyte because thats my current mobo and i do not like it
And the Tachi is 420 euro here, thats a bit much for a motherboard. Maybe i'll go for MSI

>>109623236
Use this guide. Select [No / Not sure] if you don't need the costlier Gen 5 NVMe drives.
https://guide.borecraft.com/

TLC NAND type is better than QLC.

>>109623228
9800x3d
quick test in Helldivers 2 puts it at 55~

>>109623243
MSI Tomahawk is reliable, ASUS TUF is a competing option.
Get the cheaper of the two.

>>109623257
>>109623221

Don't sweat it, it's a function of how certain cores get loaded up and it's using the max temp.

It's a limitation of the cooling plate design not a failure to actually dissipate the heat.

>>109623231
>>109623092
I got the Nova and it's a great choice if you don't intend to use two GPUs in which case I would go with the Taichi.
300 bucks for the Tachi is a steal. I paid €243 for my Nova early October 2024.

>>109623236
Klevv CRAS C925G would be the best value option on that list, it also advertises a 2400 TBW endurance rating.
NM790 is a close value option, but the Lexar drive uses Chinese NAND flash vs. SK Hynix NAND in the Klevv.
NM790 also has lower write endurance (1,500 TBW).
The Samsung, Crucial, WD, and Sandisk options in that screenshot are all overpriced.

C925G is a DRAM-less drive, but it's not worth paying more for one with DRAM for most people.

>>109623267
ok thanks anon

>>109623366
to be fair, 1,500TB is a lot of data, if you're not knowingly using it for dealing with large amounts of data, you're unlikely to use it all within 20 years.

>>109623221
>was Noctua NH-D15 a bad choice or am i just being retarded?
Buy the Noctua NM-AMB12 offset mounting bars to improve CPU core temps by 2~3°C.
https://www.noctua.at/en/products/nm-amb12

>>109623264
>MSI Tomahawk is reliable,
but why shouldn't i go for the 80 euro cheaper msi x870e+ gaming wifi buzzword mobo

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>>109623453
because the guy you are talking to is a durable femboy

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>>109620260
>>109620214
Next up for AMDUnboxed

5060 16GB vs 9070 XT

>>109621633
bruh is that shit saying it won't ship until fucking october

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>>109623236
lol $300 for QLC gen 4 "cut down" from $700

>>109623236
whatever you do don't buy crucial
they don't exist any more and don't honor warranties
they won't give you replacements as they claim they have no stock left and they will never restock as they don't exist any more

DON'T BUY CRUCIAL

PUT IT IN THE OP

NEVER ORDER ANY CRUCIAL COMPONENTS

IT IS A DEAD BRAND THEY DO NOT EXIST

>>109623570
yeah but dont you love your data centers?

I don't think I'm buying any components ever again. I'm too jewish to pay nuprices and will be waiting for historical lows forever.

>>109620440
kek

>>109623570
They might give the price you paid when you boughted it though. :^)

>>109623543
It sure is.

sup /g/angstas

recently I got a new mobo, and I'm using my old RAM but for the life of me I cannot get a stable setup at 3200mhz on these Corsair DDR4 sticks.

They aren't on the QVL, but I also cannot get any sort of stable timing setup and I'm not sure where to look.

RAM: CMK32Gx4M2E3200C16, 2x16GB
MOBO: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2
CPU: Ryzen 7 5800XT
GPU: Radeon 9060XT 16GB

It randomly crashes during games, sometimes immediately sometimes after 4-8 hours with a DX error.

>>109623570
pretty sure I've seen some youtube rec based on samsung doing the same. I'm sure all of them are doing it.

>>109623881
hard to believe it won't run at 3200 even
check that the the right slots, re-seat it
you can also try bumping soc voltage by 0.05

>>109622159

SGX acronym infuriates intel frog?

>>109622823
RR 4.5 just raped AMD, i am crying and shaking

DLSS 5 Launches next month

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>try to play a game using integer scaling (1080p to 4K) to see how it looks
>you see some see-sawing along polygon edges but the game doesn't even look particularly blurrier than UHD native
TAA was a mistake.

>>109620339
As someone who both played RDR2 and owns a 9800X3D/9700 XT combo, that left frame is an absolute lie. The game runs fantastic. I consistently got over 120fps.

>>109622159
are you dumb or acting dumb

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>>109619778
>was gonna build a pc next paycheck
>gotta get a new car instead
>mfw