Apple could never

https://youtu.be/0U5n2WaMMHo?si=0AP4TFeY_gaSo_6I&t=41

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>>109647662
Does this look like a good deal or am I shooting myself in the foot again because I'm gunning for a dGPU?
https://www.notebookgalerie.de/gebrauchte-notebook-lenovo-thinkpad-p15v-gen-3-windows-11-pro-3.html
Also what's the battery life on it like? Best-case and worst-case?
Am this retard btw >>109637946
Yeah it doesn't have topmount hinges, but I think I'll be ok.

>>109647801
You should get a T15P Gen3, it's like an in between of a 15 inch laptop that is high end, but not a dedicated GPU workstation.

>>109648109
Shit, it seems they only come in Quadro cards, just get the workstation Anon.

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>>109648109
The prices are atrocious though LMAO:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/326639783761
>>109648119
>it seems they only come in Quadro cards
They come with RTX 3050 cards, no quadro here.
https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T15p_Gen_3/ThinkPad_T15p_Gen_3_Spec.pdf
>just get the workstation Anon
Which one?
P15 Gen2? The prices are reasonable for what they're.

>>109648217
Yeah get the P15 Gen2, whatever thinkpad is reasonably priced and new as you can afford is what you want.

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>>109648239
Honestly I'm about to just grab one of these fuckers and be done with it:
https://www.notebookgalerie.de/gebrauchte-notebooks-lenovo-thinkpad-t15-gen1-lte-gps-1.html
https://www.notebookgalerie.de/gebrauchte-notebooks-lenovo-thinkpad-t15-gen1-lte-gps-3.html
https://www.notebookgalerie.de/gebrauchte-notebooks-lenovo-thinkpad-t15-gen1-lte-gps-4.html
But then this thing just popped up on ebay:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/336715692836
And I must say the american layout keyboard does have it's charm and I could get 50€ off with an ebay rebate.

I fucking hate my AuDH induced analysis-paralysis, I'll start throwing dice and gamble this shit.

>>109648302
Send it, Anon

fedora or debian on a t480

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>>109649111
Im Debian based and it runs fine on this piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=461lFvnZEig

Is this list /tpg/ approved approved?

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>>109649370
this is the list itself

>>109649370
Yes, it's a good list I wouldn't get a hard on for a T480 only because they tend to go for silly money compared to a T14 Gen 2 which beats it, I mean we're not talking much more if at all, and you're going from a quad core Intel to a 6 core 12 thread AMD, Get a Dell Latitude if coffee lake is what you're after because it is good and not memed, when things get memed, it's over.

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>25th anniversary
>Linux
>getting most of his money back on this thing
What a chad

I've been out of the laptop market for a decade bros
Have to give up my P53s and need to replace it fast
I'm looking at a T14 on ebay. Gen 2 AMD is supposedly best bang for buck but I can get a Gen 3 and get onto ddr5 for $100 more. Or should I just go gen 1 amd?
I just want long ass battery life

>>109649779
>I just want long ass battery life
Get the newer one anon, whenever battery life is a concern you want a newer laptop as possible

>>109650033
Sorry I should have phrased it as a question about how long amd chips last battery wise vs. Intel.
my budget is about what >>109649377 has for a gen 2.
I can get a gen 3 right now for $325. It's just to hold me over for a year or two while I enter a different career where they might give me a work laptop for all I know.

>>109650080
Forgot to add
And if I don't get a work laptop than this is to last me a few years as the work laptop. If I do get a work laptop I can just resale the one I get and only lose like $100 max which is nothing to me.
I'd just be doing basic python/matlab type stuff on it nothing crazy. Was using the p53s as my work laptop and need to return it before I leave next week.

>>109649370
>>109649377
So I guess the 7420 is just the model to buy here? The gen 9 carbon is basically twice the price with the same CPU, and they both have USB-C cancer ports.

>>109650140
It would be becsuse Dell latitudes go for less money than thinkpaddls even though its an ass kicking laptop

>>109650168
Seems good then. I initially bought a XPS 9300, then recoiled in horror after seeing it only had 2 USB ports and cancelled it. The 7420 was cheaper and had double the RAM.

>>109650184
Yeah the IO and amount of ram the laptop can support are everything

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>>109650206
It seems like the "soldered USB-C port" complaint in that video might be wrong for the 7420, it's actually on a smaller daughter board. Still proprietary garbage, but at least it's a 20 dollar fix instead of needing fiddly surface mount bullshit when it goes bad.

>>109649377
845 G8 > T14 G2A > T14 G1A > 7420

>>109650258
Based modular laptop

>>109650839
Dell has their own proprietary 280W USB-C port that's not yet a standard for USB-IF.

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>>109650854
Aww damn, that's why I fucking hate usb c despite the bandwidth is becsuse its the classic one standard to beat em all, and then everyone starts doing their own thing and it becomes retarded

>>109650952
Still far better than USB A

>>109649123
how are u enjoying mint in particular. feel like i'm not quite done distrohopping but i hear good things about that one specifically

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>>109651017
Im loving it, it got me back into linux in 2024 since I stopped dailying it in 2009, good OS, stays the hell out of the way and does what I need to do without having a huge memory footprint even on the full Cinnamon version.

>>109650080
>>109650094
I ended up getting a gen 3 T14 amd for $307
I can live with the soldered 16gb 6400mhz ram and use this for a few years before selling it for like $200.

I daily drive an X13 gen 1 and I love how compact and quiet it is

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>>109648500
Good Morning Sirs.
I just sent a T15 Gen2 for 499€.
Stats:
>i7-1185G7
>32GB RAM
>512GB M.2 (will replace with a larger capacity though)
>FHD Touchscreen
>MX450

>>109652034
That's sick Anon, 32 gigs and a FHD screen is a comfy setup

>lelnovo still hasn't done away with the notchshit
cringe and gay. I'm sticking with my gen 3 X13 until this is rectified.

>>109652263
Ehh, the way the home end insert pg up pg down have been since the T440 offends me more than any notch but I am happy that ThinkPads are still carbon fiber infused with magnesium fiberglass bottom shit I do not understand that makes them durable.

Just got a e495 for 150 usd good deal?

>>109652034
Wear? Battery health? Is the display 100% srgb? Do you need mx450?

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>>109653299
>Wear?
Supposedly it's alright
>Battery health?
At least 90%, but I might replace that as well.
>Is the display 100% srgb?
No, only the 4K display is 100% sRGB, but I'm not going to watch movies or do color stuff on it, I bought it for Uni which is 80% coding and 20% reading scripts because I'm in Comp-Sci.
>Do you need mx450?
Nope. But buying a version without the MX450 would have been more expensive because of the RAM prices. Available units without the MX450 have 16GB of RAM (most often 2x8GB), cost the same as the units with the MX450 and a 16GB Stick costs 100 bucks right now.

I have 14 days to return the thing if I don't like it though.

>>109647662
Also where do I get pic rel? The ones sold on red bubble are trash.

>>109654219
Interesting, is it refurbished?but I'm guessing if the outside looks good the inside is as well... Probably... Hopefully...

Replacing an at least 90% health battery reminds me of a sin called vanity.

>Only the 4k display has 100%
Yeah you're right I wanted to really say that it should be at least 72% NTSC because I used an HP laptop with a shit TN screen and it was fucking depressing just looking at that shit. But since yours is IPS it should be ok enough.

>Mx450 is cheaper
Sure, but just know that it can another thing you will have to juggle if shit goes wrong, while not being of much use most of the time.

I got my t14 g3 for the price
I7 1270p
24gb ram
512gb m2
400 low nit touchscreen
Mx550
83% battery
Condition is excellent

My only regret is not being able to find amd models at a reasonable price in the fuckass eu. And the fact that I miss the numpad a lot. So basically an amd t16 is my 10/10 laptop probably, (if everything else is right)

>>109654219
>I have 14 days to return the thing if I don't like it though.
And another 1-2 years to resell it for more than you paid.

>>109654699
>400 low nit
Wut?
>My only regret is not being able to find amd models at a reasonable price in the fuckass eu.
THIS. Did Lenovo just not release the AMD models in large enough quantities in the EU? Does Intel bribe European business customers? Are EU resellers somehow more aware of how superior AMD was during those years than their Burger counterparts? Make it make sense.

How is P15 Gen2 compared to T14 Gen2?

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>>109654699
>Interesting, is it refurbished?
It comes from a refurbisher but the listing doesn't really mention it.
It's this rascal: https://www.lapstore.de/a.php/shop/lapstore/lang/de/a/86928/kw/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T15-Gen-2-20W5/
>Replacing an at least 90% health battery reminds me of a sin called vanity.
I mean I got conflicting information, on the phone they said at least 90%, on the website it says that I can expect a battery life that is not significantly impaired compared to brand new.
>Yeah you're right I wanted to really say that it should be at least 72% NTSC because I used an HP laptop with a shit TN screen and it was fucking depressing just looking at that shit
Yeah, my T540p has a TN panel and it sucks.
>But since yours is IPS it should be ok enough.
Dunno, my W541 also has an IPS screen and it also sucks. I'm considering doing a panel swap to something like a B156HAN10.2 or ATNA56AC02.
>Sure, but just know that it can another thing you will have to juggle if shit goes wrong, while not being of much use most of the time.
I'm aware and I'll send it right back if it screws with me. Thanks for the heads up though!
>I got my t14 g3 for the price
The equivalent option would have been the T16 Gen1 and I really would have preferred those because I'm a sucker for 16:10, but those are still at 1000€ which is insane.
But the stats on yours are very sweet, nice pull Anon.
>>109654810
>And another 1-2 years to resell it for more than you paid.
What
>>109654851
One is a 15" mobile workstation (which I considered buying yesterday), the other is a 14" office device.
If you got a desktop, get the T14.

>>109654933
I don't have a desktop, I want to replace my old Legion that is making more heat than a thermal plant.

I would use the laptop for programming and for scrolling the web with trannyfox.

I'd like it to be relatively comfy. I have a large 32inch 2k monitor which I use as a main screen, and my laptop as a secondary screen where I type as well, so a good keyboard is useful. I don't care that much about battery, but I'm used to this piece of shit.

Anyway, I've been mostly looking T14, but maybe some P model might not be too bad, I'm in EU.

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>>109654933
Just realized, I missed a T16 Gen1 for 499€ ... https://www.ebay.de/itm/158112181462

Nope, I'm not mad, I'm over it.

>>109655008
>I don't have a desktop, I want to replace my old Legion that is making more heat than a thermal plant.
What Legion? The P15 Gen2 is going to run similarly hot.
>I would use the laptop for programming and for scrolling the web
I'd say get the P15 then. Sure you can scroll on the T14 as well, but the P15 probably has the better screen (check them) and coding on a T14 isn't as comfy.
>I'd like it to be relatively comfy
Get a docking station
>I have a large 32inch 2k monitor which I use as a main screen, and my laptop as a secondary screen where I type as well, so a good keyboard is useful.
Sorry, do you have an extra keyboard or are you talking about the integrated keyboard? The P15's keyboard has more travel and is comfier.
>I'm in EU.
Which country?

>>109654810
>Wut
I just abbreviated 400 nit low power touchscreen display

>Make it make sense
Don't worry bro I sat down and analyzed the mechanisms of corporate Thinkpad procurement just for you


Lenovo did release the T14 G3 AMD in Europe—it wasn't exclusively an American model. The problem is that distribution was clearly much worse than for the Intel version.

A few things probably explain it:

AMD was positioned more as the "alternative" enterprise platform. Intel had Thunderbolt 4, vPro, and some platform advantages that corporate IT departments cared about.

The AMD version was arguably the better machine in several important ways. Ryzen 6000 gave you 8C/16T, a much better iGPU, and excellent efficiency.

Lenovo's AMD configurations were often less common in reseller inventory. Intel was the safe default SKU that companies and distributors stocked in much larger quantities.

Europe wasn't completely Intel-only—the AMD T14 G3 absolutely existed there. It just seems to have been produced and distributed in much smaller quantities depending on the country.

Business procurement is also incredibly conservative. If an organization has standardized on Intel for docks, management, deployment, validation, etc., "AMD is faster and more efficient" doesn't necessarily convince them to change platforms.

And the really annoying part is that the good AMD configuration existed. You could get the Ryzen 7 6850U, 400-nit 1920×1200 low-power display, etc. It wasn't some mythical US-only configuration.

So I wouldn't go as far as "Intel bribed European businesses"

The more boring explanation is:

Lenovo treated Intel as the default corporate platform and AMD as an alternative SKU, even during the generation where AMD was arguably the better laptop CPU.

And because corporate procurement overwhelmingly bought the default Intel configurations, European resellers ended up with tons of Intel machines and comparatively few AMD ones.

Hope that clears it up twin

thoughts on the a485? i might be getting one soon for a really good price( was aming for something xx20/xx30 era but they are at retarded prices most of the time)
its a ryzen 5 so 4/8, i dont need thundebolt, i know about the battery/power issues from release, some of them got fixed on a bios update
outside that it should behave like at t480 with a mobo swap right?

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>>109655090
>slop

>>109654933
>Yeah you're right I wanted to really say that it should be at least 72% NTSC because I used an HP laptop with a shit TN screen and it was fucking depressing just looking at that shit
>Yeah, my T540p has a TN panel and it sucks.
In my experience, the screen specs that actually affect your quality of life are the panel type (OLED > IPS >>>>> TN), PPI (around 160 is ideal for me, but it depends on your eyesight), color coverage (100% sRGB is the minimum for me), brightness (300 nits is fine indoors, but I recommend 400 nits minimum outdoors), and contrast (mostly matters for video and games in an environment with good lighting, not so much for office work), roughly in that order.
>What
That 32 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD and 1.8mm keyboard are only going to increase in value over the next 1-2 years, no matter how much the march of time might deprecate the CPU, GPU and battery.

>>109655069
>What Legion?
Y540-15IRH 81SX. I think there is something wrong with the GPU and the fans and it runs pretty hot and loud. Any game I play anymore gets ultra laggy after a couple of minutes.

>Get a docking station
Like the one where you connect the laptop and all other cables go into the docking station?

>Sorry, do you have an extra keyboard or are you talking about the integrated keyboard? The P15's keyboard has more travel and is comfier.

Yeah, I meant an integrated keyboard. I type on the laptop, so a good keyboard is a plus.

>Which country?
Croatia

I've been looking mostly on ebay.de so far, but I'm really not that knowledgeable about different Thinkpad models, so I don't know what to look for. I don't even know how to find out what different display do all of the ebay listings have. I've found some models around 500E which I think is an okay price for me.

>>109655090
Suck my DickGPT.

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>>109655137
Honestly, I can still see individual pixels at 300ppi. The Laptop let alone Desktop screen I need hasn't been made yet.
I'll see how it goes.
>That 32 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD and 1.8mm keyboard are only going to increase in value over the next 1-2 years, no matter how much the march of time might deprecate the CPU, GPU and battery.
Even though the CPU is literal "waste of sand"?
Sounds more like inflation, the same can be said about everything. (value of money going down = the perception of commodities appreciating in value).

>>109655138
When was the last repaste? Dust blowout?
>9750H, RTX 2060
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3425vs4399vs4400/Intel-i7-9750H-vs-Intel-i5-11500H-vs-Intel-i9-11950H
and
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4085vs4422vs4438vs4414vs4421/GeForce-RTX-2060-(Mobile)-vs-NVIDIA-T1200-Laptop-GPU-vs-RTX-A2000-Laptop-GPU-vs-RTX-A3000-Laptop-GPU-vs-RTX-A4000-Laptop-GPU

You're looking at ok increases for the CPU and no real increase until you hit the A4000 on the GPU. A3000 P15 go for around 1100 to 1400€; there are none A4000 P15 Gen2 being sold on ebay right now.
I have no idea what other online stores you got in Croatia.

>but I'm really not that knowledgeable about different Thinkpad models
Honestly I'd say just clean, repaste and keep your Legion until it dies, it's a pretty solid machine.
>I don't even know how to find out what different display do all of the ebay listings have
Pull the PSREF for a ThinkPad and just take educated guesses, there's clues scattered that in 9/10 cases tell you what spec you got.
Example: https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P15_Gen_2/ThinkPad_P15_Gen_2_Spec.pdf
>I've found some models around 500E which I think is an okay price for me.
Link?

>Like the one where you connect the laptop and all other cables go into the docking station?
Yeah, but I don't know if they work with a Legion.

>>109655116
The world needs an edit with a clearly slopgenned Magikarp and Osaka with her back turned to the camera doing something more interesting in the background

>>109654933
>Dunno, my W541 also has an IPS screen and it also sucks. I'm considering doing a panel swap to something like a B156HAN10.2 or ATNA56AC02.
Then you should really consider that wide color gamut, when my shit came in and saw that it was the 400 nit sRGB one it was crazy how good it felt to be rid of that TN garbage.

>I'm aware and I'll send it right back if it screws with me. Thanks for the heads up though!
I'm on fedora kde so don't know how that changes it up for you though. Cs2 is playable on absolute low but It gets hot, and also crashes due to bullshit I don't know, so I just play with iris which gets the job done well enough for me to catch bodies.

But since you're using it for comp sci it will just be there just idling unless you specifically turn it entirely off. Probably.

>>I got my t14 g3 for the price
Same price* oops

>But the stats on yours are very sweet, nice pull Anon
Thanks bro now I can cope a little easier every time i think about amd t15 and 16 g1 models...

But really though, I just paid a reasonable price for good specs, probably got it a little lower because of the US keyboard, ahh yeah I didn't mention I got it from recare, so it's probably close to you since you're German? That's why I thought it was such a good deal at the time, I couldn't find any English keyboards without fucking up the other specs. So I guess yeah for the European market it was a good deal...

Can anyone confirm whether or not you can remove the camera module from a T480 (or any other subsequent generation model) without it sperging out on boot? I'd rather not have glowniggers look through my camera whilst I'm fapping with my legs up in the air.

>>109655288
Literally just disconnect the cable and/or disable the cam in the BIOS.

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>>109655114
>thoughts on the a485?
Wouldn't buy unless it's a really good deal.
>outside that it should behave like at t480 with a mobo swap right?
Correct, but you might suffer on firmware because it's just such a rare device.

>>109655281
>when my shit came in and saw that it was the 400 nit sRGB one it was crazy how good it felt to be rid of that TN garbage.
That's how I felt when I switched from TN displays to IPS on my desktop.
> fedora kde
Debian gnome. But I don't game on my laptops, I have a desktop for that, pic rel.
>But since you're using it for comp sci it will just be there just idling unless you specifically turn it entirely off. Probably.
Checked already, it's impossible to completely turn off.
>Thanks bro now I can cope a little easier every time i think about amd t15 and 16 g1 models...
Honestly, the current AMD CPUs that go into ThinkPads are absolute dogshit.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/6665vs7123vs7072vs7032/AMD-Ryzen-7-PRO-250-vs-AMD-Ryzen-AI-7-PRO-450-vs-Intel-Ultra-7-366H-vs-Intel-Ultra-X7-358H
With ThinkPads I don't really worry too much about the CPU, I just want something that runs fine and that's that.
>ahh yeah I didn't mention I got it from recare, so it's probably close to you since you're German?
I have never heard of recare.
>I couldn't find any English keyboards without fucking up the other specs
That's what ThinkPads are for, just buy a replacement keyboard for 20 bucks off of eBay or 50 brand new from lenovo.

>>109655137
>That 32 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD and 1.8mm keyboard are only going to increase in value over the next 1-2 years, no matter how much the march of time might deprecate the CPU, GPU and battery.

You're tweaking bro, its a fucking business laptop made 5 years ago not a supra Mk4.

>>109655288
It's just USB. I forgot to connect the motherboard end of the cable once and only noticed when trying to record audio.

>>109655384
I don't have one on-hand; I'm looking to buy one for cheap, but unfortunately it has an IR sensor.

I want to make sure I can disconnect it without the system sperging out, as it's not as simple as just putting some tape over it. Maybe taping a bit of aluminium foil over is sufficient--Ironic, glowniggers blinded by their own luminosity.
>>109655425
I assume the mic is located on the camera module too then?

>>109655450
>I assume the mic is located on the camera module too then?
On my non-IR T480 yes. Might be different elsewhere.

>>109655496
I'm gonna stick the camera module up my ass.

>>109655386
>I have a desktop for that, pic rel.
Damn nice bro, my desktop has a shitty Ryzen 3 2200g
Ironically enough my fucking laptop has better specs about everywhere than that shit.

>Checked already, it's impossible to completely turn off
Yeah I was thinking of not loading the drivers at all but that wouldn't be the same as completely off

>I have never heard of recare.
They're just a swiss refurbisher, mfs only give a fucking one month goodwill return period, but I don't really have any complains with what I got so maybe they're really like that.

>That's what ThinkPads are for, just buy a replacement keyboard for 20 bucks off of eBay or 50 brand new from lenovo
Yeah you're right, but I needed a laptop that worked now and became tunnel visioned on not fucking up my choice, and didn't want to gamble anymore on the bullshit that is inter country shipping because my first choice was a fucking t14s g1 amd for 300 euro from fucking Australia that got sent back from customs the moment it fucking stepped foot into the country. Thank God...

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>>109655627
>Damn nice bro
Thanks!
>my desktop has a shitty Ryzen 3 2200g
Ah, it's not too bad, I've built systems with that for escape room surveillance systems.
>Ironically enough my fucking laptop has better specs about everywhere than that shit.
Why not get a docking station and turn the desktop into a server then?
>Yeah I was thinking of not loading the drivers at all but that wouldn't be the same as completely off
The silicon still "boots" if you leave out the drivers, you just cannot talk to it and in bad cases it just slips right into power mode and there'll be nothing you can do about it.
Just install the drivers and force that fucker into a perpetual parked state.
>swiss
Grüezi!
>mfs only give a fucking one month goodwill return period
That's better than the two weeks here lmao.
>my first choice was a fucking t14s g1 amd for 300 euro from fucking Australia that got sent back from customs the moment it fucking stepped foot into the country
WTF?

>>109647662
What is your opinion on the X280?

>>109655697
>>109583557

>>109655450
>it's not as simple as just putting some tape over it.
PROTIP: 2019+ models have a built-in physical camera shutter.

how functional is linux on snapdragon in current year? i'm tempted to pick one up because it's way cheaper than amd/intel

>>109655114
>thoughts on the a485?
I have one along with my T480. they're both good machines
>i know about the battery/power issues from release, some of them got fixed on a bios update
it has about the same battery life as my T480 (both with the 72Wh battery and the same 400 nits low power panel that replaced the original one). they both can last roughly 10 to 12 hours on battery for me
>outside that it should behave like at t480 with a mobo swap right?
they both use the same chassis, keyboard, etc. you can just think about it as an AMD T480 basically. the CPU is a bit weaker but the integrated GPU is much better compared to the T480

>>109655518
This is my fetish

selling T16 Gen1 R5/16/512 with 94% batt and (one 1x2mm whitespot) for 400eur equivalent on vinted for my europoors

>>109655386
damn, our desktops are pretty similar. I've got a 5900X, 4080 Super and 128GB RAM in mine

>>109655706
Fuck. Shops here have only X280, T490, and X1 in stock.

>>109655404
>its a fucking business laptop made 5 years ago
Yes, and? Most perusers of pads left behind by lesser users don't need the latest chips. They need good build quality, good upgradeability, and a good RAM/SSD config for the price.
The price of RAM and SSDs will only increase for the foreseeable future.
Those same connoissusers pay more for a T480 today than the previous owner paid for it 1-2 years ago.

>>109655685
>Why not get a docking station and turn the desktop into a server then?
For what purpose?

>Just install the drivers and force that fucker into a perpetual parked state.
More like just let it drain like 1w since for it to be able to idle on standby it has to run a small part of your compositor or some shit, so you can't really ever have it run nothing

>Grüezi!
I'm not swiss bro xD

>That's better than the two weeks here lmao.
Damn. But that's more a German flex
>Yeah our shi works fuck nigga get the fuck outta here

>Wtf
Yeah... No notice, no warning, not nothing, just straight back, retards didn't even update my fucking tracking number correctly, said it passed through customs successfully, had my ass glad it went so smoothly while I'm looking like a moron at my phone, days later, wondering where the fuck my shit is and why i am not getting any status updates, until like 2 weeks after it says it arrived and I'm like "oh shit oh shi I'm not home and if they just left it at my apartment block that shit is GONE" until I see that the fucking tracking says it's back to a city in Australia and I'm like tf, so I dm the ebay mfs, yeah of course I did this retarded shit from ebay, and they told me it was sent back, thankfully they were good chaps and they gave me a full refund. Yeah, that was not fun... but hey if customs had accepted my retarded package I would ve paid basically the same amount for a shittier version of my current laptop in government sanctioned extortion tarrifs. So there's always a silver lining, but the Australian guys did lose like 30 euros in shipping ..

Yeah...

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>>109655288
Bruh nobody cares about your shit unless you're sending CP from your machine to undercover glowniggers or Karens.
You want privacy take the Wifi card out and only use it offline.

>>109655865
Because increase in demand+ ram/ SSD upgrades = bigger price but that doesn't mean increased value just because it is a Thinkpad, no matter how you look at it, it is a depreciating asset, we are going to look at t16's the same way we look now at 1480's in 10 years.

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What modern laptop is as good as Thinkpads were 16 years ago?
I have a job so I can actually afford a modern laptop now
t. traded in a t420 for x250 and it shat itself after a year

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>>109655821
Nice. I wanted to buy a 4080, but they were too expensive. And by the time the 5080 became a thing, GPU prices had already spiraled out of control.
>>109655879
That's an answer only >>>/g/hsg/ can give you.
>More like just let it drain like 1w since for it to be able to idle on standby it has to run a small part of your compositor or some shit, so you can't really ever have it run nothing
Broski, look up D3cold, cold being literal: The official nvidia drivers allow the kernel to cut power to the dGPU completely.
>I'm not swiss bro xD
Dang
>But that's more a German flex
How so? I feel like 14 days are not enough.
>So there's always a silver lining
Yeah, funnily enough every language has a saying for situations like that.
>but the Australian guys did lose like 30 euros in shipping
Sucks for the, but shipping is always the sellers problem.

>>109656336
As good as a T400/T500? Just about any ThinkPad T, P, Z, X or E.
As good as the GOOD ThinkPads?
The current P16 Gen3, it is THE ThinkPad.
If I could get one I would replace my DESKTOP with it (>>109655386), here check this out:
https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_P16_Gen_3/ThinkPad_P16_Gen_3_Spec.pdf
Synthetic Benchmarks:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4823vs6608vs6782/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X3D-vs-Intel-Ultra-9-285HX-vs-Intel-Ultra-5-245HX
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/6377vs6530vs6785vs4795/RTX-PRO-3000-Blackwell-Generation-Laptop-GPU-vs-RTX-PRO-4000-Blackwell-Generation-Laptop-GPU-vs-RTX-PRO-5000-Blackwell-Generation-Laptop-GPU-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070
The P16 Gen3 is so fucking fast even the smallest CPU completely shits all over my desktop CPU. Not as fast on the GPU side, but it's still mental for a Laptop.
He is HIM (expensive) and I'm poor as fuck.

>>109656420
But I can find a Dell Latitude or HP Elitebook for 100-200 euro less compared to a modern Thinkpad with similar specs.

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IBM 600E PII laptop docked. Windows 98SE SP3+ and k-melon browser, it’s primarily my 90’s gaming rig but also what I use out and about for programming radios or connecting to anything over RS-232/422/485, as it has a built in physical COM port.

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Found that these are pretty good for cleaning under keys and in between fan blades. Good if you got a used laptop and there’s pet hair stuck under keys or just loosening up dust so it vacuums up.

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I'm not into this particular model but I am looking at this one listing due to the price. Looks like leftover stock that was recovered from a warehouse, some of them clearly look damaged from being on a naked pallet. There's no docking port, but I wonder if I can still use it for some old video games instead of building an entire PC.

>>109655697
It's an okay ultrabook if you can find one in a 16GB configuration, and for a good price. It's otherwise outclassed by any of its modern counterparts with regards to its price to performance ratio--obviously. 8th-gen models are ridiculously overpriced for some reason. This doesn't just apply to the T480, for which it is understandable in light of its universal popularity (shilling, or otherwise exaggerated admiration), it applies to all systems of that generation. Which is odd, since as I mentioned, they are otherwise "outdated"--though not entirely obsolete, mind you.
>>109656925
I have nothing to say regarding your setup other than to say naisu CRT.

Is a e495 as good as the t495?

>>109657920
nope, get an X395 instead. It's a mini T495s. E series are Ideapads with thinkpad branding.

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currently in hargesia trying to find a thinkpad. came across two tech stores but only entered one today

the guy only had this thinkpad and it was an "oral 5" or something and it was $200. gonna check out the other store today and see if they have a t480 or a 95. ill even take a 14 if they haven't it but who knows. anybody got experience with this or knows the model exactly?

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>>109659437

>>109657467
I have an R40 I bought from the flea market for 5 euros, tho it had a broken display cable and had to be replaced. By some luck a local store still had the spare part for 10 euros, it was sitting in some forgotten box on a shelf on a warehouse for decades.
XP-era games barely barely run on the machine and apparently the R40e has even worse specs. Buy it only if you want to play 98-era games or older.

>>109659437
>>109659442
Looks to be a Kaby Lake era 13.3 inch ultra book, $200 American is kinda high but I don't know how much things cost in Africa or wherever this hargesia place is.

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>>109659442
All you had to do was open the screen to see what's the model. They always print the model name there

>>109659472
capital of somaliland. im looking for something not too expensive ($50-130) but if it's that high its that high, not paying 200. after asking ai it said itthe guy was saying the "oral 5" was him saying core-5 like specs which makes total sense
>>109659488
damn. thanks for letting me know tho

>>109659577
That little laptop isn't a bad option depending on how expensive a T480 is there, if the T480 is crazy money get the 13 inch with the "oral 5 lel" processor, apprently it's got two so-dimm slots that you can put up to 32GB of RAM in which is sweet because most small computers have soldered RAM.

>>109659602
i was hoping for 3rd world pricing, but honestly i can probably get a 480 for like 180 if i try hard enough in the uk, but ill still take what you said into consideration tho fren, really appreciate it

>>109659619
Happy hunting, Anon.

>>109656336
Framework laptops are shaping up to be the GOATs, spearheaded by the 13 Pro. Modern Thinkpads (T, X, P series) are still quite decent. The only thing they lack compared to Thinkpads of old is UltraBay and several legacy ports, both of which nobody uses anymore unless you're into retroshit.

>>109659707
frameworks build quality sucks. i was not impressed when i handled one. they need to be using more glues and fasteners. and stronger materials. they put repairability before structural strength. this is a problem most laptops have though. I still recommend non techy people get macbooks. sucks that asahi linux isnt feature complete even on m1 chips

>>109659739
>hey put repair ability before structural strength
So true, repairability shouldn't be a the main selling point of a device, the motherfucker having a minimal chance of breaking in the first place should be the main selling point.

>>109659739
Older Frameworks maybe, but with the 13 Pro they seem to be addressing the issue of durability among other things.

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>>109659488
none of the items on FB marketplace have labels there

>>109659971
Half of them aren't even Thinkpads. The one top left, has a label but the screenshot of the thumbnail of the photo isn't very clear. Not sure what's the deal with the bottom right.

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>>109660021
check it out yourself, im totally unsure if topleft has a label or not given its image quality, but you're otherwise right, sorry mate (fuckin spm filter wouldnt let me post link, even in b64)

>>109660042
The one with the barely visible label seem to say "X1 Yoga". The other doesn't have a label but judging by its specs of 7300U and the hinges that look like 360 degree screen it's also some Yoga-ish thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Yoga#2017. Quite perplexing that the label isn't visible, even the cheaper Yogas seem to have a visible label on bottom right of the screen.
Only way to tell is to ask the seller to take better pictures, if not from the front, then of the bottom of the laptop.

>>109657977
I did get for 150 usd i can maybe even flip for double the cost if it works okay

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>decided to contact customer support for hargesia tech store since store had 1 ThinkPad that was sold out
>says they have HP laptops
>request ThinkPad specifically, give models
>they ask for specifics (storage ect)
oh fuck. i just said anything since for whatever trouble it will be im not gonna try communicating about hardware specifics (am still learning it shit) with my broken somali thats probably speaking to an ai

>>109657728
(not that OP, but in the same boat)
What are the best modern counterparts?
I'm ready finally let go of my x230 and get something more reason, maybe even with a slightly bigger screen

>>109662294
What does your x230 not do that you'd like to see in its replacement?

The USB-C charging ports on my X1 Carbon have both died. Is this just how every laptop breaks now?
Is it the sort of thing a decent repair shop can resolder, or will they claim the whole mobo needs replacing?

>>109662553
Yes, and it isn't worth repairing given it'll cost you less to just buy another one.

>>109662553
Mine is going out as well. Blows my mind apple perfected the laptop charger with the magsafe and no one makes it anymore or copied it. At the very least make the type C port easily replaceable

>>109663284
Doesn't the surface still use something similar? I've had nothing but good experiences with that thing.

>>109663472
It does I forgot about that thing desu. Windows is kinda shitty to use as a tablet the add on keyboard sucked, the surface laptop not being a 2 in one is eh, the surfacebooks were pretty sick but pricey. Not being able to work on them was a turnoff and why I like the thinkpads.

anyway to tighten hinges on a T400 or maybe just older thinkpads in general this thing falls over right after 90°

Is there a good source on information about different Thinkpad models? The OP links all feel outdated. I am going into the rabbithole of finding a laptop I feel I like, and this is not going to end well. It took me a month on deciding what phone to buy, and I wasn't considering refurbished phones.

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>>109656690
My bad, I assumed you wanted a ThinkPad because you said "What modern laptop is as good as Thinkpads were 16 years ago?"
But the Build Quality of the P16 Gen3 is way better than the other two, I get to take a look at all of them at work from time to time.
>>109663691
None, once they're gone you need replacement hinges. I replaced the hinges on my T500 many years ago because they locked up lmao.
>>109664146
>Is there a good source on information about different Thinkpad models
PSREF, literally from the horses mouth.
If you know the language the German ThinkWiki is a great resource: https://thinkwiki.de/ThinkPad-Modelle
>I am going into the rabbithole of finding a laptop I feel I like, and this is not going to end well.
What you need, what you want?

Do 8th-gen models have a battery whitelist that needs to be addressed before using an aftermarket one?

I haven't seen anything similar to the EC firmware patch used for the xx20/xx30 series.

>>109664402
As far as I'm aware there's only been a WWAN whitelist since the ... 60 Models I think?
But don't quote me on that, the most recent ThinkPad I own is the T550 and that thing is sitting disassembled in my drawers somewhere.

I've got a x220 that's on it's way out, this is like my 4th or 5th one over the years. I don't know if I want to replace it with another one or not. How are the X1 Carbons? They seem cheap for the early gens.

>>109664618
I would skip over carbons due to soldered RAM and get something like a T470 for about $100 or less if you're on a budget and want a badass Ultrabook, mainly because SO-DIMM slots, also the early X1 carbon was like 0.74 inch thick, barely even thinner than a T470's 0.78 in thick and you get a T series, you get the ultrabook benefits without the ultra compromises.

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>>109649377
That fucking list planted the idea in my brain that I *need* a used Thinkpad P15 Gen 2 with RTX A5000 GPU option.
I don't have an NVIDIA GPU which is annoying when I want to GPU accelerate something and find out it only supports AMD GPU if you follow this 3290158 step guide so having a decent NVIDIA GPU bolted onto a nice laptop would be a good thing to have, but on the other hand I don't truly need to do such things that often to justify the expense, but on the other other hand I'm extremely curious, I've never owned a workstation-tier Thinkpad and I can easily afford it or even buy a maxed out P series new, but I don't like wasting money for *no* reason,
I'm conflicted and it drives me nuts.
pic unrelated

>>109664618
X280 is comfy

>>109665517
Pretty much

>>109665261
But why? It'll be a pig with 0 seconds battery life and it's not even that much faster than a P14s gen 7 or P1 gen 8.

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>>109647662
got fired from ibm so now pissed.

>>109666487
They'll get theirs, be a shame if someone were to fuck up the keyboard and turn the laptops grey in the future

>>109662553
USB C sucks for charging. Bring back the humble barrel connector.
Also solder another on yourself it's actually not as expensive as you might think. For less than a thou you can get a decent setup. Fixes all types of problems

>>109662553
It's the only thing that suck about modern lelnovos. Even apple has modular USB-C and charging ports.
>Is it the sort of thing a decent repair shop can resolder
Anyone who knows how to solder SMD, can swap and solder the part.
>or will they claim the whole mobo needs replacing?
Ask around, any store that tells you that the board needs replacing is not a serious store but a front for money laundering. Shouldn't cost more than 20 bucks including a tip.
>>109666540
>Bring back the humble barrel connector
Honestly I like the slim tip better.

>>109666540
Magsafe is superior. I'm always worried I'm going to destroy every USB-C and barrel port

>>109666984
>I'm always worried I'm going to destroy every USB-C and barrel port
It's not even like you're not worrying for good reason, these stupid ass ports aren't built like Lelnovos old barrel and slim power jack thing where it's conneced to the board by a wire and the plug itself is just mounted in the laptop, you drop a laptop on the charger plugged while in the usb-c it'l skullfuck the laptop

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What do you think about cellular on laptops?

I thought those were SD card slots on Elitebook, but it's actually a sim slot on the outside.

>>109667478
seems like a neat feature, though i slotted an ssd in my laptop's wwan slot and just hotspot from my phone myself.

>>109667478
>What do you think about cellular on laptops?
Never got it to work. I just open a hotspot on my phone and connect to that.

>>109667478
I never saw the point of it due to smartphones themselves, it's cool if the first user of a thinkpad and your company issued the laptop and paid for everything, but if you're a personal user tethering the phone is better.

>>109667484
The WWAN slot is so based for SSDs, people go nuts over laptops like the T420 for the dual drives, but dual PCIe solid state drives in something thin and sexy like the T470-T480 are way cooler.

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>>109667161
Not the guy you are replying to, but I was wondering about getting the same thing, however;
https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-a-magnetic-breakaway-design-become-the-standard-for-USB-C-cables-yet
> A magnetic breakaway cable might save your laptop from a fall, but as it tears away at an angle, 48 volts can surge into a 5-volt data line—instantly frying your device's motherboard.

Because of this severe risk, the tech industry has refused to embrace a magnetic breakaway standard for USB-C. The core issue is pin density. An older magnetic connector like MagSafe 2 used exactly five large, widely spaced pins dedicated almost entirely to power and ground. USB-C is a vastly more complex standard. It packs 24 microscopic pins into an opening roughly the size of a tic-tac. These pins handle power, ground, configuration data, and extremely high-speed data lanes all in close proximity.

So I decided not to risk it. I did find pic rel though. But idk if that’s safe either.
https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/atech-usb-c-magnetic-breakaway-charging-cable

>>109664402
They all have battery DRM but there shouldn't be any problems with aftermarket. The only reason the xx30 needed a patch was that manufacturers were caught off guard by the DRM silently changing without a change in battery shape.

>>109664475
My T510 would like a word with you. WWAN has been whitelisted at least since Lenovo took over. WLAN was also whitelisted until 2015 or so.

>>109664618
I think the best upgrades without losing too much build quality or modularity would be T480s or Yoga 370. Everything newer is either much bigger and heavier, has a mostly plastic case, or has everything but the SSD soldered.

Honorable mentions: T460s/T470s (but they have two small batteries instead of one large one for no reason), T460p/T470p (mostly plastic but still sturdy; noticeably heavier)

>>109667573
Well fuck
>>109667792
>My T510 would like a word with you
Uhhh, sorry, meant since the 60 (maybe 70 or 80?) or so ONLY the WWAN whitelist remained. My T540p had whitelists up the wazoo which made me modify the BIOS.

>>109667852
English is weird, sorry

>>109667573
werks on my machine

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>>109647662
Thoughts on the ThinkBook 14x?

>>109666447
Because it's 20-50% of the cost of the laptops you mentioned. My brain gets dopamine when buying things way below their initial price.

>>109668579
Well you already spelled it out: My brain gets dopamine when buying things.
I know a laptop that was almost 10k new must have some fancy quirks inside, but it's still 1.5 k for that config.
Which is right in the ballpark of a much more usable P14s Gen 6/P16s Gen 4 and P1 gen 7, which feature the same GPU series as the newer ones I mentioned.

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>>109652034
>>109654933
It arrived! ... in an absolutely disgusting state.
And without a RJ-45 LAN port ... what the fuck?

>>109669106
And one non-working USB-C port. Great.
I've seen enough, I'll send it back.

Any recommendations for another device?

>>109669106
>without a RJ-45 LAN port
Have you not checked the specs and/or photos before you boughted it or did they send the wrong model

>>109669164
They probably sent the wrong model as they give you choices what works and what not. I bought one with working ports but rough shape. The fact that one of the USB-C ports does not work tells me that it is not the same device I ordered.

I'll just send it back, they even included a return label free of charge.

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>>109647662
what if thinkpad made a video game, like NEC

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glass trackpad for my t480 arrived today. last i ordered one of these, the serial number was wrong and apparently meant for the t14 lol. least the one i sourced from aliexpress arrived in 2 days. oooh this is like gliding on silk.

>>109668563
No trackpoint no buy

im looking for a small lenovo laptop, like under 13 inches
does anyone have any experience with the x12 detachable? is it any good?

>>109669164
Looked through the offering again, there's RJ-45 ports in the pictures.

>>109655288
You can remove the camera but built into the same flat flex cable is the light sensor which determines when the lid is closed, so if you remove the camera the screen doesn't turn off when you close the lid. This is pretty shit, but the laptop has a shutter anyway, and realistically microphones/speakers are more privacy invading than cameras.

>>109669789
or would i be better getting some kind of microsoft surface pro? they seem to be cheaper for the same hardware

How are you guys recommending these t480, T14 gen 1/2 when they have these really horrible viewing angels, bad contrast, and low peak brightness. Same can be said about dell/hp versions.
It it really fucking bad. It is only like 10-20% of the models that have decent panels built in.

>>109671636
You get thinkpads for repairability and reliability and the fact that corporations throw away tons of perfectly working machines like trash, and it crashes the second hand prices, so by buying them you get more computer per dollar.
A e costs like $100-150 nowadays. Do you know a lot of laptops with panels that are up to your standards for $100?

>>109671636
*A T480

>>109655258
>When was the last repaste? Dust blowout?
Yeah I might do that. I don't actually own any tools so I'll have to go shopping. I only have big screwdrivers and a hammer, not really useful.

Any recommendations?

>>109664312
>What you need, what you want?
Yeah so I have a Legion that I haven't really maintained that well, and it is slow to load at startup, slow to open terminal after boot, slow to open Firefox, etc. so I suspect that the HDD is also bad, but I'm not an expert by any means.

I just use it for web browsing and programming in my free time. I have a Dell at work, but I don't really like it. We had P14s (I think, it didn't have a GPU) at the last company I worked at, not sure what Gen, but it was really great, so I want to go into Thinkpads or try to repair this old piece of shit.

The battery is also terrible on the Legion, it is very heavy and large and the charger is also heavy. I don't like this laptop at all, but I suppose it has better performance than any refurbished Thinkpad under ~700€.

>>109671920
I've written here more about it >>109655138

>>109669065
I've had a 17 inch laptop in the past back when laptops were chonky and very fucking heavy, so I'm quite aware of the pros and cons of Big Laptop.
The P series nomenclature is quite confusing. Like P16 makes sense, workstation-tier laptop with 16 inch screen, but what's the difference with P16s? Is it "slimmer"? What does the slimness sacrifice? And wtf is P1? Also why are there so many models with just integrated graphics? Isn't dedicated graphics the reason you go for P series anyways?
If I ever pull the trigger on buying something like that to satisfy my autism, I would be willing to pay up to a ballpark of 1k euros.

>>109671636
Just drop in a replacement panel of your choice costs like 60 to 100 bucks. That's literally the whole point of the 2nd hand ThinkPad market. Usually shit is so cheap that you can afford to mess around and be creative or build your own without ruining something expensive, if you're in the US the T480 is actually the best value laptop you can get because they're just 100 bucks.
The fact that they're damn reliable is a godsent on top for students who know their stuff.

>>109671920
>Yeah I might do that.
Try TG PhaseSheet instead of paste. It's like 10€ for one application but it seems to be worth it.
>Any recommendations?
Like for a ThinkPad? Right now high performance stuff is expensive, so as I said earlier: stick with your Legion for now.
>Yeah so I have a Legion that I haven't really maintained that well, and it is slow to load at startup, slow to open terminal after boot, slow to open Firefox, etc. so I suspect that the HDD is also bad, but I'm not an expert by any means.
HDD? Your Legion should not have an HDD but an SSD. Check the remaining life on that thing, SSDs wear out with every write.
>I suppose it has better performance than any refurbished Thinkpad under ~700€.
You won't find similar performance until you hit 1600€ and at that point you can buy new I guess.
>>109671930
I already replied to that (>>109655258 me)

>>109672007
>HDD? Your Legion should not have an HDD but an SSD. Check the remaining life on that thing, SSDs wear out with every write.

It's got a HDD and an SSD. / is mounted on SSD, and /home is on the HDD. But now that I think about it, I'm not sure which one is to blame.

>Any recommendations?
I meant for the tools. I'm snooping the Internet right now and found iFixit "Essential Electronics Toolkit". Might get it, just to build up a healthy collection of various tools if I ever need some.

Can any 'pads play poe2 under $2000? I've always wanted one and I'm hate the weight distribution and fragileness of my legion, especially considering this is set only game I play

https://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/Lenovo_Legion_Y54015IRH?M=81SX0055SC

This is the model I have.

>>109672189
Yes, Ryzen 7 T14 G5 or P14s G5 should be enough.

>>109671931
>what's the difference with P16s?
Yes, slimmer, lighter, smaller cooling system, diff. MoBo: P14s and P16s share the same one. P1 was the workstation version of the X1 extreme, which was meant to compete with dell XPS15, which also had a workstation version.
Yeah I really don't know why so many spec their P series without a GPU, maybe it has a slightly improved cooling system compared to the T series, which allows for greater thermal overhead when running prolonged CPU intensive tasks or something support related.

>>109672700
Okay I'll look into those. Thank you!

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>>109672058
I own these:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0CWGZTJP3
Sure it's chink and the bit selection is not the best, but the driver MOGS the puny iFixit driver.
Get a anti-static silicon mat, a magnetic bowl and a magnetic mat for screws as well and you should be set.
Probably get a thermal pad kit and some evergreen thermal paste like MX-6 for common repastes.
For cleaning you should have non-static brushes, an air blower / electric duster or if you have the moneys an air compressor with a nozzle, tissues, smooth microfiber cloths and isopropyl alcohol.
K&F Concept has most of the gear I use for cleaning my stuff (glasses, phone, laptop, camera, etc.), but they're actually selling camera gear (https://www.amazon.de/stores/page/C10BD14D-C070-4C11-9032-BD9AA57112B1)

What's a good external cooler for an x13 gen 2? Thinking about using a spare one I have as a game station for my living room (rather than spend two or three hundred bucks on a beelink or optiplex or whatever) but even after repasting the heatsink it still gets quite hot and has a hard time keeping its 1260p from throttling, pretty sure the stock heatsink is just inadequate.

>>109671636
just swap the panel nigga. I have a 400 nit, 1500:1 contrast low power IPS panel in mine

>>109672700
g6 is bad or just more expensive? where do you guys suggest buying from?

>>109673688
G6 is more expensive, I think they also put in a lower class, but more efficient iGPU on Ryzen 7 350 models.
So your only option to get a beefy iGPU on a G6 P14s would be to take the Motherboard out of a P16s G4 with a Ryzen 9 Pro.
You could also look for the intel P14s G4/G5, specifically the ones that feature Quadro A500 dedicated graphics.
I just wait until someone lists the right model on my local Craigslist alternative and buy it from the seller directly, but be careful and check everything before you pay, look at their reviews. My experience with commercial ebay thinkpad sellers wasn't great: machine arrived well packaged but with 2 dead usb ports, which seems to be a common theme>>109669128>>109669106. Some just randomly "upgrade" your machine to a different, less sought after model.

>>109674362
>ports, which seems to be a common theme
Yeah, the T580 for my brother was advertised as 1x16GB RAM as well but only came with 1x8GB.
They're on vacation right now so all I can do is pound sand for a while.
Other than that I've started the return process for >>109669106 >>109669128
Currently building some Spreadsheet to figure out what ThinkPad to get.

Does Dankpads still do those comparison charts? The newest one is a year old.

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>tfw 13 inch XPS laptops with 8Gb of RAM for $699 are the hot shit again due to clown world
The 14nm Intel-lake thinkpads are gonna live forever, aren't they?

Any reason to avoid getting a t14 on Amazon? Seems like a good deal for 32gb ram. I know this reseller makes money on adding ram. Possible complain in review is mismatched ram. Not sure if that's an issue. Need 3 for an office and Lenovo doesnt have any available
https://a.co/d/0jjFK0GW

>>109674676
Are you buying one less than a year old?

>>109676175
Yes. Paying premium for """"refurbished""" models from big retailers with pallets of disorganized shit and zero fucks to give is anathema to /tpg/.

You will get fucked.
You will come back here and cry.
You will be reminded you were told this would happen.

>>109676434
This honestly, at least with eBay you can see a picture of the computer if they haven't used a stock photo of a computer that isn't what you're getting, but spending $1,549 on refurbished mystery meat on amazon is pretty dangerous, amazon is a good place to get a new computer, but I would go to eBay for stuff that isn't new, or Lenovo's own refurb outlet.

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>>109647662
I'm looking to get a very, cheap, low power, and small laptop/netbook to use as a chatpad and the like.

So far, I've been using my upgraded elitebook 2570p, but that's more heat and noise than i'd prefer for the basic tasks this would be for. I previously had an X220 and that was even warmer and louder for less.
So far, the smallest low power device I could find with a decent keyboard and is recent enough to do what I need is the dell latitude 2120. Any other similar x86 laptops or netbooks with a non-chiclet style keyboard out there that can still be found for reasonable prices?

>>109677052
That's pretty hard to find Anon, the non chiclet era of business laptops really go as new as Sandy Bridge on Thinkpads, unfortunately the stuff you want, like 15w ultrabook processors pretty much all have chiclet keyboards, but what about chiclet laptops Anon? I think going to something like even a kaby lake or Coffee Lake chiclet thinkpad would be a beautiful machine for chatting, I had a standard 35W ivy bridge like what would've come in your 2570p, and the reduciton in heat and power consomption going to an ultrabook processor was amazing, also the laptop weighs a lot loss because it's thinner, you're not lugging around a DVD drive that you may or may not need, you should give it a try, check out eBay Kaby lake and Coffee lake laptops that are cheap enough, you'd be surprised how much better the performance is for the power the ultra low chips use, just smokes Ivy Bridge, I cannot suggest Anons to use older technology just to get a keyboard.

>>109673276
Why have both a magnetic bowl and a magnetic mat for screws?

Not sure if this is the right thread anymore, but what is a thermal pad kit and how is it used? I though you just apply thermal paste to the component and it sticks to its heatsink?

>>109677103
I currently use an ultrabook with a 13th gen i7 for daily, an elitebook 2570p with an i7-3632QM for tinkering and ripping, and a thinkpad t60p with 2gb of DDR2 running windows XP (offline) for actual at-home productivity.
this in no way would be a serious use machine. if it were to do anything performance heavy, it'd be play fallout 2.
I do a bit of laptop refurb and reselling, sitting on about 30 laptops in total, so i can safely say an atom that shitty would handle the programs i'd throw at it, so performance isn't the concern.
so far, that latitude is still looking like the one ticking the most boxes. Small, low power, luggable, cheap, good keyboard, can still buy batteries for them. My alternative would've been a cheapo jailbroken chromebook running linux, but those keyboards often aren't very good.

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We ptm now

>>109677512
keep us posted

>>109677512
Impressive. Very nice. You did remember to cure it before applying right Anon?

What is the best model with 1080p and a 14" screen?

>>109677665
only the paste needs curing

>>109677672
oh nevermind then carry on

>>109677052
Honestly, after looking around for the same kind of thing I gave up and just bought a 14". All the 10" stuff really isn't that much smaller anymore because most of these old models had massive bezels and the keyboard gets a little unusable when small anyway.

If I needed portability I'd go for that 7" Nanote that's pretty cheap, but it's still a 2016 processor. At that point you might as well just use a phone and a fold up keyboard.

>>109677669
How much money we looking to spend

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>>109677052
i use this one as a fanless server, could work for you but it has no backlit kb

>>109677765
>60% the performance of my T470's CPU and it's using 30% the energy
What kind of magic is this? Is it because it's a full fat big boi 4MB CPU and mine is 3MB cache? That's kind a of a cool fucking laptop, I love nice backlit keyboard laptops with high dpi screen and low power usage.

>>109677788
Aw my bad it's not backlit but it's a cool little laptop

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>>109647662
just installed devuan on my t480 and i'm happy

>>109677665
>>109677672
>>You did remember to cure it before applying right Anon?
>only the paste needs curing
QRD?

>>109677731
600 dollars

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Just got my first Thinkpad (T14 Gen2 AMD), is there a general idea of what's bloat in picrel? https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-t-series-laptops/thinkpad-t14-gen-2-type-20xk-20xl/downloads/driver-list
I checked the wiki but the driver page last edit was in 2010. Windows Update pre-installed the following (or at least they can be seen under the apps & features menu): AMD Radeon Software, Dolby Access, Realtek Audio Console, Synpatics Fingerprint Reader Preboot Manager, Synaptics TouchPad, Synaptics TrackPoint.

On my previous laptop (asus) I wouldn't download any driver from the OEM website because it'd make many things worse and I'm not qualified to identify the cause. Don't get stuck too much on me using windows please, I'm installing linux on my previous laptop to goof around / get familiar with it but just don't feel like daily driving it blind.

>>109679703
idk just install the stuff you use and ignore the stuff you don't fingerprint is bloat for some and not for others BIOS and display drivers are probably the ones you should never skip

>>109679703
would skip advanced firmware if you're not docking, enterprise management, and smart meeting from software and utilities + probably dolby vision if you're not into hdr, then rip everything else

>>109679773
I would also avoid realtek drivers on top of what >>109679789 said those tend to be more trouble than they're worth

>>109679703

I would skip all the software and utilities except ThinkVantage that shit fixed a few driver issues ive had in the past.

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>Gifted HP Z Book Gen 2 15
>4810mq and Quadro K2100
>find out it's upgradeable to GTX965
>hell yes, get 10 LTSC setup on it
>open HWMonitor
>fucking 100*C idle temps wtf
>crack it open, repaste with MX7
>clean heatsinks and remove dust
>re-tape the area between the fan and heatsink for airflow channeling
>temps drop to 36*C idle and 58*C load

Guys don't skimp on maintenance, this thing would have gone to an early grave if it weren't for that. GPU upgrade is possible, I'm not even sure what I'm going to do with it but it was free and it's nice, maybe I'll slap a GTX965 in it I don't know.

>>109680695
Upgradable how? Does it have a socketed GPU?

I think I'll get a dell just to not be a walking stereotype.
>t.ranny

>>109681169

It does, MXM 3.0 Type-A, you can put a Type-B in if you're feeling sporty, and don't want the CDROM drive.

/g/ I have an issue with my PRecision 7560 that will force me to replace the motherboard, I have the option of upgrading from the 6-core Xeon w-11855 to the 8-core Xeon w-11955, should I do it? I do a fir bit of gaming but I'd like the 8-core setup for Photoshop and Lightroom and media processing.

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>>109681349
For gaming, there will be no difference. Multicore, you're getting a 15-20% boost. It's not a life-changing difference. But having two additional cores doing background shit may make some noticeable improvement in everyday user experience when multitasking.

What's the delta in cost? If it's wildly more expensive I'd pass. You know your use case best tho. Might be worth it if you're committed to the machine long term.

>>109681200
>>t.ranny
AHEM: See >>109647662
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

>>109647662
I just got a thinkpad A275 and the fans are always on.
I have cleaned the fan and repasted the CPU but the fan is always blasting.

Any suggesions?

>>109683509
>Any suggesions?
get a machine that doesn't have a pre-Ryzen AMD CPU

>>109683612
Do you have anything helpful for me or not?

>>109683509
Undervolt it, if you can. I don't know shat options are available to you. Disabling turbo (setting CPU max to 99%) is another useful tuning trick from the C2D era.

>>109683779
I changed some power settings in BIOS and changed the cooling to "adaptive" in windows and it is marginally better.

How can I undervolt via a lenovo bios?

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>>109683779
>C2D era.

>>109682148

not much of a difference in cost I am committed to it long term, has 128gb memory and A4000 quadro graphics this is my daily driver for probably the next 10 years. It has served me well since I owned it, wonderful computer. I stuffed 3 4tb drives in it, it's a keeper. I've had it long enough to wear down the WASD and E key because I'm a melee whore in Warframe.

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Alright /tpg/, let's do a Thinkpad assembly for old times sake.

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>>109685301
>128gb
>2tb
>4tb

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Always feels good to get a new piece of tech to mess around with. X210Ai came with most of the palmrest stickers but I added another Intel sticker as a throwback. I'm a softrim sort of guy so I changed out the standard trackpoint immediately as well.

>>109685361
Bought those last year during the initial price spikes, that's how long the lead time is for this frankenpad. Pulled the trigger on the ram the day Micron announced they were closing Crucial, since they were literally the only ones who made 64gb laptop sodimms. I'll also be tearing out another 4TB 2280 from my old thinkpad to put into this thing, since it has three drive slots.

>>109685421
u should livestream this

>>109684332
You can try https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches (use the ones for xx85/xx95) to get to the AMD menu. Not sure if it has undervolting options on this model though. From userspace, k15tk on Windows, amdctl on Linux.

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Been a long time since I've had to shimmy a thinkpad keyboard and palmrest out. Thankfully these went off pretty easily, I remember it being more finicky on my X61/X230/etc. Pretty motherboard.

>>109685429
I'm too lazy to learn, especially at 11 at night. I just want to slap in some parts while going slow enough that I don't break anything.

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Man I hate laptop clips. Always a pain to work on, and I've taken the back cover off my 25 enough that more than a few of them are broken now despite my best efforts to guitar pick them lose. But with the 2280 out of there now I don't really have a reason to open it ever again.

Putting in the 2242 (red) was pretty annoying, the clearances on the frankenpad are tight enough already and the specific model I chose had a tough time fitting with the mounting bracket. Got there eventually though. 2280 installation was easy although I had to grab a spare screw since the board didn't come with one. While I had the keyboard off I figured I'd align the 2.5" SATA while I could easily see the connectors.

>>109685049
As long as you have reasonable expectations, the goal is to extend it's useful life out as long as possible, and the diff on price is low, sure - go for it.

>>109684692
They're not exclusively C2D era tweaks, that's just where most of my experiences with modding and power efficiency originated.

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Hmm. My CMOS battery might be a little too thick, keyboard felt like it had a little too much interference sliding back in. Thinking back on it I guess the 3M pad on the back was likely the real problem, that seemed way thicker than what I've normally seen on OEM CMOS batteries.

Figured I'd toss some more stickers on the bottom for fun. Finally using this Lain sticker I've had for years now, thought it was appropriate. It's nice seeing that the old OEM laptop labels are still on the chassis, the Windows key sticker's still on the RAM cover all these years later.

I bought a T14 Gen 3 AMD
I did not think 0.3mm was a significant difference
I was wrong

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Well, it's way too late for this and I give up for now. Been tearing my hair out these past few hours over the 2242 and 2.5" drives not being recognized. I was eventually able to install Mint onto the 2242 after placing it in the 2280 slot, and while it will boot while inside the 2280 slot it won't boot while in the 2242 slot so I suspect that it's not being read. Haven't even done anything with the 2.5" yet but I suspect it's just not being read as well.

2280 and 2.5" are currently outside of the system, figured I'd grab a neofetch from the live USB. Thankfully all the RAM is properly recognized.

Dear lord it's 4:30 AM. Thankfully I had nothing going on today but damn.

>>109685301
That Lain plush has seen things...

>>109647662
What do you guys think, scam? Stolen goods?
https://www.ebay.de/itm/358809665837

>>109686005
Do you do this for a living/side hustle or is this just for you?

Buying replacement fans from ebay.de and seller is from China, yea or nay?