Roman editionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/>/iemg/'s Journal:https://iemgazette.pages.dev/>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/>Measurements:https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• NICEHCK Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200• TempoTec V1 - $110>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>109626151
Stretching your ear-pussy, tips and tricks?
>>109652413Enter, Etymotic™
>>109652489too thin>>109652413you have summoned me. picrel is the solution>>109651413hexa is a good choice. make sure to use a dongle to avoid having output impedance influence the frequency response. also eq treble peaks
>>109652547I'm thinking of cutting off the smallest flange from one set of my Flangezo™ Eartips and make them double flange. Is it viable? Someone attempted to do that? Any tips?
>>109652691ive seen double flange somewhere on aliexpress, from tagnzu? maybe
>>109652691why not, they cost close to nothing after all. would be interesting to know if you can hear a treble peak with the modified version that isn't there with the unmodified triple flange tip.I suspect the flanges have an influence on the treble peaks, but some other anon said it can't be because only the length between the ear drum and nozzle is relevant.btw I don't seriously use these things anymore, tone generator + eq won
waiting for my moondrop pudding to arrive
gamers rise up !
stupid question but will the TRN redchain plus cable fit the kefine Delci ae? new to iems and it just says 2 pin (s-type?)
bought the Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (from OP recs) a couple of month ago. They are a nice tool to have at hand, I sometimes use them outside because they have usb-c, sometimes I do calls with them because of their microphone, and I especially like to use them while sleeping, because they are very small and don't stick out of the ear so much, very comfortable. sound is good, especially if you don't mind sane bass levels. the cable is not its forte, it won't be your main pos, that's for sure, but still definitely a recommendation for being handy and decent for what it is.didn't use any of the dsp functionality, I probably need an app for that? maybe someone can share their experiences with the dsp stuff, is it worth it?
>>109652932>says 2 pin (s-type?)s-type means QDC, so no, it does not fit Delci>>109652974>Zero Ultima DSPit works with hangout.audio's browser eq tool. chrome browser, plug n play. eq (dsp) is customization of your audio. it's up to you to know how to handle the tool effectively and extract the best results.
>>109652974>I probably need an app for that? Yes https://tanchjim.com/en/services/ for the android and windows app>maybe someone can share their experiences with the dsp stuff, is it worth it? They have some presets that will make it more V-shaped or leaner than stock, but the real deal is that you can tweak it to your own taste or fix what you think is missing, like whether it's too bright or has too much bass.
>>109653065too bad, thanks for the reply!
>>109652833Lan is a better gayman iem
>>109653705>no DSP cable with 8band peq and valorant preset>no mic>metal shell>filter that loves to clog>gay flower faceplate techsonly in your dreams that yukislop is better than the real gamer queen
>>109653789>no micCome on, who uses an IEM mic while gaming?>metal shellMetal gets warm and matches the temperature of your skin, metal shells are extremely comfortable for long listening sessions.>filter that loves to clogOnly if you live in a very humid place.
/iemg/ Dogma Check Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:>Crinacle is not your priest.Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.>Graphs are not sound.They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.>Loud posts =/= smart takes.Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.>Cognitive dissonance.When you're presented with a truth that threatens your entire perception of the world around you, your brain will simply refuse to process it.This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.
>>109653855this is a really weird post its like youve never actually posted here and decided to try to make your first post with schizo ramblings
>>109653988>first postwell I've posted it every thread so you're dead wrong, retard
>>109653065in my browser, it didn't work, "Sorry, this USB device is not currently supported.">>109653100I downloaded the android app instead, but to me this is a bit confusing because there is no neutral eq where everything is 0, the default sound already is an eq with 5 filters (see picrel). I chose the balanced preset, because based on the measurements by https://vortexreviews.squig.link/ it has less bess, and I'm a certified class-3 listener (not true, but it's a funny meme nonetheless). I thought I could set my eq from a flat base line. Since all default presets are nowhere near a flat line I suppose this thing must sound bad when disabling all 5 filters in the app...For this particular iem it is not important to me, but the idea to store a custom peq preset on the iem itself is really cool
>>109654088>posts newfag drivel in every threadweird flex but ok
>>109653988dont worry i'm working on a iem fact check and return to objective reality break
/iemg/*
>>109654584sounds bunk already
i enjoy my k bear rosefinch haha they're fun to use
in 2 weeks, my juzear will be delivered
>>109654712which model???
>>109654755poise series
>>1096547861DD, nice. seems pretty generous with the all of the included accessories, hope you enjoy the IEM
>>109654857I was scared you'd say they're shit and I made a mistake buying them
>>109654866dude, I'm not the vindictive piece of monkey shit anon that has a qualm with literally every other person here.that's a whole different beast, and they're easy to spot. luckily, there are people that are normal with no emotional instability.
>>109654088You're a hero.
>>109654928thank you for your kindess
>>109654679Based Rosefinch enjoyer. It's mindboggling how are they not more popular despite being among the absolute best $5 shitbuds. Well, less good shit for normies, more for us.
>>109654257>in my browser, it didn't work, "Sorry, this USB device is not currently supported."NTA, but he linked the hangout tool that's tailored to crin's products, that's the tool from the dev that should support it https://www.pragmaticaudio.com/iems/Regarding the default setting, yeah, that's the default DSP tuning. If you set it to 0, it's just the Zero Ultima non-DSP tuning, and then you should use it as the baseline.https://csi-zone.squig.link/?share=Tanchjim_Zero_Ultima,Tanchjim_Zero_Ultima_DSP
>>109655163>If you set it to 0, it's just the Zero Ultima non-DSP tuningthat makes sense, however, you see that they have a filter at 200 Hz with almost -6 dB, that's nowhere near the difference I see on the measurement
>>109655253it's a normalization thing cuz it's only using negative gain to shape the FR, and well, they're different units too
>>109655401that's great advice, thanks, I think I understand this now. tomorrow I'm going to create an eq preset and write it to the device.for other iems I use the apple dongle, I really want one where I can store a peq preset to have it available on all devices. I will look into this later
>>109652413The trick is you just don't. If an IEM is uncomfortable get different tips and/or different IEMs. Even after 15 years of wearing IEMs there are some that I can wear all day and some that I can't. I don't even think it's possible to "get used to" bad fit, the irritation will just stack from repeated use.
EQ is like installing accelerator software on your legacy PC and hoping it will compete with a new PC.
>>109656642No EQ is nothing like that
>>109656687Saar kindly believe in Driver Quality it is needful to believe
What the fuck even is accelerator software? You can overclock your PC and in some situations yeah it can compete with newer not overclocked PC.What kind of retarded 60 IQ analogy is that anyway?
>>109657605no it's literally not. nobody gives a fuck about this pedantic shit
I've had enough of trying to EQ these stupid headphones which IEM should I buy for music listening specifically rock music
>>109658192budget? do you plan on EQing the IEM?
>>109657891>no it's literally not.it literally is. you don't know english>nobody gives a fuck about this pedantic shitlooks like you are because you decided that you have enough brains (you don't) to make useless pedantic corrections...
>>109658232Idk $150 I guessOnly if the EQ is easy and not some rollercoaster treble nightmare
>>109658192daybreaksiliconeastralor any $20 pos (wait for zero 3)
>>109658263EQing length modes out should be fine (usually pretty easily noticeable resonance around 6-9k) tho depending on your ear canal anatomy and IEMs tuning it might not even be necessary
>>109658236huh? what?>>109658263get daybreaks. don't take 40 IQ meme advice about "hurr durr length modes". like holy shit that person isn't serious
>>109658414+1 for Astrals, but those are $300. still a solid choice no matter what
>AstralSeriously it's gotta be just one anon shilling this. ts buns gng
>>109658771learn to count, then. what's your beef anyway? that it's not your personal rec? who gives a flying fuck lmao as if you're the only fuckin person who's allowed to give advice, what a clown
>>109658518>don't take 40 IQ meme advice about "hurr durr length modes". like holy shit that person isn't seriouswhat's wrong with it?
>>109658263juzear light shuttle is like 190 but it was very popular at SIAS2026
>>109658826>"these are the rules to enjoying your gear. you have to follow them to the T or you're 60 IQ and your fun isn't real"imagine being this crippled
>>109658839what is wrong with it tho?
>>109658857it's wrong to tell people they have to do it. not wrong if you yourself do it, but it's not a requirement for simply enjoying.telling someone they have to do X and Y so they can enjoy is a vicious cycle of thought paralysis that nobody needs to be put through if the goal is enjoying gear. let's say you EQ length modes. let's say it worked to your benefit. still doesn't mean it's a requirement for anybody else by any means.
>>109658913and this is why you're crippled. this is what indoctrination does to a person that can't handle the idea that they could be wrong. if you disagree, first consider how certain people meet differences in opinion with the most caveman dismissive attitudes and emotionally charged personal attacks.then consider the fact we're talking about full grown adults, and try again telling me I'm wrong without proving me absolutely right. that's your challenge. have at it.
>>109658903>let's say you EQ length modes. let's say it worked to your benefit. still doesn't mean it's a requirement for anybody else by any means.give me one reason to not QE length modes out?
>>109658924because im lazy, have few iems, few sources, 2 computers and DAP and i dont care about few extra dbs spike when im listening far bellow any hearing damage range
>>109658924>give me one reasonit's not absolutely necessary for enjoyment of audio lmao
>>109658921worthless chatGPT sperg
>>109658933damn straight, anon.
>>109658937I accept your concession and thanks for running the exercise for /iemg/ to see <3
>>109658936literally nobody said that it is "absolutely necessary" you hallucinated it
>>109656687Reminder that ballzo thought EQ must be changing something in the driver and the fact it gets reverted when you disable EQ was some kind of own.
>>109658903>>109658933Having low standards is an excuse, not a reason. You can acknowledge some things are a good practice even if you lack the skills/desire to do them.
>Bose earbuds kept disconnecting randomly one day>have to do a firmware update with the official app for some dumb fucking reason because everything needs a firmware app>listen to some music for an hour or so to sleep>"HI, I'M YOUR BOSE AI, HOW CAN I HELP YOU">It can't be turned offoh my actual fucking god kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself kill yourself
>>109659566All TWS will have this eventually. You know what to do.
>>109652829Moondrop makes terrible TWSGet pic related instead
>>109659795LC3, aptx, 12 hour battery, 1dd + 1baAnd it sounds better than most IEMs.
>>109659741My question is just whythis is entirely unnecessary. It's like if your pencil had ChatGPT, its worthless
>>109659795do they have ones in normal IEM form factor (like pudding) instead of this shit?
>>109659864It's 2026 dude. Everything must have AI.
>>109654679I want to like them but I can't stand that treble peak.
>>109659553I don't want to juggle several different profiles for different headphones and iems, which I'd have to keep on multiple devices and remember to change or disable each time when im using them. In that case, I'd buy a recommended wireless device with an EQ that's saved in device's memory.EQ only makes sense for wireless devices, speakers, or when we only have one pair of headphones and use a single source. I want to just plug the headphones into the amplifier's jack and use them. I don't care if my specific fr doesn't follow target curve. Something isnt right, i will sell that shit and move on. If i would care so much about sound quality i would go for desktop speakers instead of cope with IEMs.
>>109659868This is the Apple AirPods Pro form factor, it's more comfortable than any IEM.
>>109659951cool but they simply do not fit well in my ears at fucking all that's why I'm asking.
>>109659900>using headphones Grim.
>>109659951Oval tws tips are dogshit that collapse when you're lying on your back. Not as comfortable as good IEMs either, heavier as well.
can't wait to try out moondrop pudding that I ordered recently
>>109658823>This pressed because you bought a pos
Are we allowed to ask about BT IEMs in here too? I don't even know if it is worth to look into it because >BT
>>109660354>Are we allowed to ask about BT IEMs in here tooyes>I don't even know if it is worth to look into it because >BTnot really but it depends
>>109660414I've tested some setup I wanted to try for my desktop with cheap stuff and it works, but it is meh on features/quality.I was thinking on moving to a FIIO BR13 connected through coaxial/RCA to a Behringer MS40, and I was thinking on what to pair it with.I wanted and over ear and an in ear but here I'm gonna ask only about in ear, I don't really know where to go to for trusty reviews.
>>109660463>trusty reviewsAsk grok or ChatGPT
What are 5 best pos $300 and under, for Drum n Bass, as opposed to Drum n Thin or Drum n Anemic ?
>>109661001>5There's only 21. ZiiGyatt Doscinco 2. Juzear Fiesta
>>109661384Why these?
>>109661761>Has substantial bass>Not thin or anemic
>>109661001KZ Duonic Bass moggs all linsoul sovless pos
A bit offtopic, but how bad is the sound leakage from open back headpos? If I listen to music at a reasonably high volume, will my neighbors in the next apartment hear it?I'm considering buying my first pair and I don't want to get shot.
got some diy ie900, very bassy without making everything else sound like shit pretty nice iems
>>109661942>will my neighbors in the next apartment hear it?they will not, unless the apartment complex you live in has no walls
>>109661942compared to phone speares leakage will be like having phone speakers around 25-50% volume. Everyone in ur room will hear what u listen and if doors are open sound will go further. but its not like full blasting speakers
>>109661979>>109661987It's not that bad then. Thanks.
>>109661942>will my neighbors in the next apartment hear it?ppl in the same room will hear it, but the sound power is too low to worry about that. well, unless you're living in a tiny american apartment where the walls are made of cardboard but if you don't get complaints about the TV volume, you won't get complaints about ur hp playing at 100x lower.
>>109661384i have fiesta and desu i dont like them that much, bass feels too boomy at times, for some music it works but for some it is too much. i might check it with dnb later
shitbud sisters?
>>109663383shitbud sister, what went wrong? not enough techs?
>>109663383>open the video>gayest asian manlet ive ever seen>close the video
>>109661942not even close. definitely not
why is moondrop pudding so good bros?
who's buying Helios 2?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DZO8exo9Hpo
>>109663574cuz ur length mode is also at 8k just like a 711
>>109663680please explain for a non-tech geek
remember to eq every single iems length mode. even if it sounds good and isnt sibilant and even if it barely moved. just do eq.
>>109663788hello saar
>>109663788should i eq to jm-1 too??
>>109663513his gf is pretty hot, but ok.
Since when did KZ stop being sensible about making ergonomic shells? I know Hydro has more drivers than ZSX but still, a little wing would have been nice. My ear adjusted anyway and don't give discomfort so, I guess it's a non-issue today. Anyway, buy Hydro, fuck length modes and EQ, etc.
EPZ S350T any good?
>>109663743Closed ear canal creates peaks which are called length modes. Usually they are around 6-9k Hz. When people are measuring IEMs with 711 couplers it's a common practice to align coupler peak at 8k to get the most information. So moondrop tuned down 8k frequency so pudding would look good on most graphs. But if your peak is not at 8k (average male is closer to 7-7.5) tuning will become all fucked up with huge peak at 7 and then giant dip. Now it's not guaranteed it will be like that but a real possibility.
What's the difference between an expensive DAP/PMP and a cheap one? Is it just the DAC inside?I need a cheap one since they finally started allowing us to listen to music at work. Just can't bring phones though, so I would need an actual music player instead.The FiiO looks the nicest but it's shipping from the US. I want the MP3 by tomorrow since I work on Saturday. But I guess I can wait if it's actually good. Only 8GB storage though so I would have to buy an SD card, which sucks.HiByR1 also looks nice, I like orange. But apparently no onboard storage so I need to buy an SD card also.Never heard of mechen brand before. But I can get it by tomorrow. And at least 64GB storage so I can at least for now hod off on buying an SD card.Which should I get?My budget is ~$90-110CAD. Without an SD card. I have a spare 512GB but I would need to eventually buy one if I decide to use it.
>>109666241>What's the difference between an expensive DAP/PMP and a cheap onePrice. That's it.
>>109666505Thanks, I decided to get the HiBy R1. The FiiO looks really nice, but I think I would hate using it eventually. It's more of a gimmick than anything else.Unfortunately I would have to use a BT earbuds at work, but I guess going home at the bus I can switch to wired.
>>109666505Don't they have different DAC chips? And don't they output different mW from each other? Don't they have different OP amps?>>109666521you should look more into it. anon gave you a too dismissive and ignorant answer.. sorry
>>109666566I did check, just to make sure the DAC was the same. And I guess they are?The FiiO and HiBy R1 both uses the CS43131 DAC, except the FiiO has two of them? So I guess double the sound quality? I have no idea. I'm not a nerd regarding DACs and the differences between them.Well, if I ever learn that the FiiO was better I'll buy it later...like, maybe next year later.
>>109666609go for it, then. just don't get Fiio'd
just chilling with my chu 2. my m40x is arriving soon
>>109667041>chu2 over gate >m40x over dt270 pro>windows instead of linooxomg anon, iemg is a serious place, get good pls...
See you all this weekend *soonTM*
>>109667125from CERN to CanJamlessgoo!
just impulsively bought a grell oae2. i can still cancel it. should i cancel or keep? 300usd
>>109667626would you consider yourself delusional enough to get an illusion of speaker like presentation from it?
>>109666241either hiby r1 or tempotec v1rest is too compromised in terms of ui so with larger libraries its get hard to use.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RSWki87nKw>>109667626i have OAE1, bought just for memes for like 40usd and shit is so bad, i have 50mm speakers from aliexpress that i put into 3d printed aurorus borealis copy chasis, without any damping, measurments and it sound like sumit fi flagship in direct comparision. OAE2 made few changes so maybe its not that bad but still, feels like for that amount of money there is few other options, aune ar5000mk2 for example
>>109667714which one has the biggest battery?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfKnOQu4hog
>>109668340dont know sir, click around his channel for reviews or check reddit, im just saying that with larger libraries touchscreen is preferable vs performative buttons. And dont expect modern Ui quality of ur phone, these kind of daps are bit like traveling back in time to 2010-2015 at best
>>109668655>these kind of daps are bit like traveling back in time to 2010-2015 at bestI bet. but still, having a dedicated music device is pretty enticing if your library is large enough and it's feature-rich
>>109668672also another thing, i don't have that problem because mine is running android but when i was researching that stuff these cheaper daps without android, with simpler os like hiby os, they have problems with high resolution album covers and larger libraries, So if u have like music ripped form streaming with highres album cover u have to go thru them and downscale them to something like 320x320, less than HD so they have easier times with rendering and scaning libraries
>>109668386Good morning, sir.
>>109668714>go thru them and downscale themtedious, but still. I myself haven't looked into DAPs for *me*, as I have a mobile dac/amp anyway.
>>109668756dongle*** lol
>>109668386>make an ear rape target that sounds bad on 99% of music>pick an IEM with terrible QC and fit for the graph>completely destroy music enjoyment for himself and stop listening to it
>>109652932TRN usually offers cables for each standard, so just chose appropriate option
whats the best iem to listen to porn?
>>109670123moondrop variations
>>109670123truthear gato sexo
What cheap pos around $25 has good build quality and good sound?
Arghhh there's not enough IEMs in Aliexpress european warehouses... /csg/ and /iemg/ are dead to me ever since EU decided to complicate things for its citizen without having an actual local alternative. It's not even about the money, just the customs process itself is annoying and time consuming.
>>109671434just move to china, bro
>>109671434just buy aryan iems, bruh
got my moondrop puddingI gotta say they're pretty good actuallynot extremely amazing but good nonetheless
How the fuck can anyone deal with planar timbre. This sounds like shit
>>109672206not all of them do? which one are you talking about?also, EQ exists
>>109672206Just don't buy chinkfiman and u will be fine. It's same driver as any other, if they fucked up tuning that's not fault of driver tech.
>>109672389>He thinks EQ will fix timbre
>>109672477>she thinks EQ won't fix "timbre"oh god.we're talking about the lowest DESU drivers here.
>>109672533distortion***interesting filter
>>109671304zero 3 coming soon
>>109672477You personally can't. I of course can.
>>109672573I don't like they're getting round design
How the fuck can anyone deal with DD timbre. This sounds like shit
Is timbre in the techs or in the fr
>>109673013it's always fr
>>109673021That means >>109672477 was bait. Thanks for clarifying
>>109673038How FR influences what we hear is pretty complicated actually. But in the end of the day inability to fix something with EQ is a skill issue.
>>109672151is it worth an upgrade from the space travels?
>>109673013It's in the balls.
>>109673013Have you ever seen anybody attempt to EQ their way out of total harmonic distortion? lol
>>109673118THD is irrelevant for most things
>>109673101>at the end of the dayftfy. and yes, "timbre" is related to tone and can be EQ'd.
>>109673137Sure. Completely separate from my point, but sure.
>>109673118I've seen people pay their way out of low THD.
buying multiple hybrids with BA drivers+ ESTs + micro-planars is the ultimate humiliation ritual.you know those people are deaf now
>"Damn, I can't believe I fell for the tribrid meme more than once!"
BREAKING NEWS: Guy with 0 or 1 shitbud tells you everything can be EQ'd!
what is timbre? what is tone?
>it's not FR bro>what is it then>uhhh>planar
is there a cheap DAP that has bluetooth and will work with my card android auto? tired of using my phone for music
>>109666241I got the HiBy R1 today. Was faster than I thought. I hope it can last a full 12 hour shift.And I know the earbuds I got are some shitty chinkshit ones. I needed something small and color orange because those are the only ones allowed inside my work. It matches the earplugs we use so managers would just ignore it unless they look really closely. But outside of work I'll be using my regular IEMs.
>>109673941Nice, enjoy it, since there is supposedly no difference between that and the most expensive DAPS. Supposedly.
>>109673941would you mind showing the DAP on your hand, I want to see the size of it in the hand
>>109674067it's an average sized DAParound 3.5 inches.
>>109674126And I already have a problem with it. The way you insert the SD card sucks. It's not like phone SD cards. I know I'm going to have issues with this since I am going to leave it in my pocket, which does get dirty. And dust and debris will get inside.
>>109674154does your pants pockets have zippers? if not, try to get some pants with zippers, maybe
>>109674126thx for the pic, looks great with orange color and chain
Would you BUY from a company that was caught using **AI** ? ?
>>109674982For marketing images? Sure, why not? It has no effect on their products anyway
>>109674982I wound unbuy my Sennheiser if I could this thing sounds like absolute ass
>>109675539sennheiser 6xx have zero bass and are way too bright. i dont know why people keep recommending them
Who is going to CanJam SoCal? Anything noteworthy this year?
>>109675613They have more bass than Hexa.
>>109675678Unfair west coast canjam gets to try new iems while east coast has to wait til next Jan
>>109675613true it's time to start recommending something good like aune ar5000 (mk2) or maybe soon ar3000
>>109672206Bumping for an answer...Are you talking about a particular pair of iems or headphones??
>>109674154Use piece of tape on it. This kind of open SD card slot is so present in DAPs that I don't even think there is any dap currently on market with slot that can be closed. It really sucks when u are in dusty environment.
>>109676480fiio m17 and m27 uses an ejectable card tray
>>109654088>I've been shitting every thread with liesWhen will he stop.
>>109676522my fiio m21 also has open slot, along with lots of open ports so its useless in dirty enviroment
>new Crinear IEM>2DD>JM-1>$100The new Nightfall is a 2DD Daybreak, tuning-wise, without the meme BA+micro-planar configuration of Daybreak and its copies
is noble audio any good?
>>109676624Mogged by shitbuds + eq to perfection
Sometimes I wonder if we have already achieved perfect audio playback reproduction technology and it is the audio recording technology that is not accurately capturing the true sound
>>109676695>already achieved perfect audio playback reproduction technologyyes it's called speakers>audio recording technology that is not accurately capturing the true soundnot really
>>109676695techs are in the faceplates
>>109676624Can't really do JM-1 eargain properly with DD so this is going to be a bit of a dud. Same with Zero 3.
>>109676695>not accurately capturing the true sound.Seems like pure bait, but I'll bite. What does "capturing the true sound mean to you? You can't establish that playback is perfect until you define what the recording is supposed to be a perfect reproduction of.Even minute differences in microphone placement drastically alter the final recorded sound.
>>109676762>Can't really do JM-1 eargain properly with DDIt's 2DD. And where do you get this information? I'm curious and would like to read into it.
>>109676771>It's 2DDSo? One is just for bass. Can't you read between the lines? >where do you get this information?By looking at existing options.
>>109676762A DD or 2DD can reproduce a 2–3 kHz rise just fine. What physical limitation are you referring to?
>>109676776>By looking at existing options.Assuming other models haven't "achieved eargain properly" to your standards doesn't mean this one "won't" either. You're making very baseless assumptions
>>109676763The recording should be a perfect reproduction of what your ears would hear if your head was there instead of the microphone
>>109676794>The recording should be a perfect reproduction of what your ears would hear if your head was there instead of the microphone.[citation needed]
>>109676784>>109676787It's garbage. 2DD is a meme configuration. Almost completely pointless. Can't believe it stuck around this far. If you want muh new meta tuning at that price just get Pure. Executes it much better than that pos.
>>109676805You're just mad about P50 and Daybreak's driver configurations were called memes and you're posting bait. > If you want muh new meta tuning at that price just get Pure.>muh 1DD+3BAs Pure>2DDyou're bored and baiting at this point.
>>109676805>It's garbage.>"I never heard this IEM so I'll just shit on it because.......drivers."
You're too new if you unironically believe you can arbitrarily achieve any tuning with any driver type. See picrel, can you imagine they both sound drastically different? Could you imagine which one would sound better? And not like a $20 DD pos? I'll leave that up you smartasses
>>109676845You're unironically saying two IEMs with the same FR can sound different. So FR isn't everything. Also, your graph is arbitrary and oblique since you provided 0 information on who measured it, with what rig, with what tips, at what insertion depths, etc. Good job conceding FR does not=everything, so....want a cookie?
What specifically about a DD prevents it from producing JM-1 ear gain? "Existing options don't do it to my standards" isn't a physical limitation.
>>109676695Neither of them achieved perfection. Let's start with the most basic example. Record an instrument with a flat mic in an anechoic chamber then play it in your room on speakers, and it should sound like if that instrument were playing in your room. But what's the correct speaker for that? Omni? Stereo? Or maybe the instrument should be recorded from all directions and played through wave field synthesis speaker setup? Probably that to be honest. If you want to capture the sound of an instrument in another room you either need wave field synthesis again, or record from one spot from multiple directions and apply your hrtf filters to every separate direction and to play through specifically calibrated headphones/IEMs.Or object based audio in a virtual room. Binaural recordings are inherently flawed since they aren't using your ears, and one or even two mics simply lose the spatial information. But most music is not "instruments in a room", it's got non-instruments, non-room effects, etc. It's made by people with stereo speakers for people with stereo speakers. That's the way to go for now. The best we can hope for IEMs is to make them sound like speakers in front of you, but that seems to require head tracking to trick your brain into thinking you aren't listening with IEMs.
>>109676845You can achieve any tuning you want with EQ and one driver. It's not gonna be better just because multiple drivers are playing it. By multiple metrics it will be worse actually.>>109676867The FR at the eardrum can be different even if the graph is the same.
>You can achieve any tuning you want with EQSince audio is apparently solved. Why are you still here then?
>>109676971There's more to IEMs than just audio.
>>109676981>Why yes, I'm here to discuss the comfort and looks of IEMs
>I can't discern for myself the advantages of hybrids over my cheap 1DDs after spending hundreds of dollars, so my cope is "1DD+EQ=the only way".This is the reasoning we've been fighting against and for good reason: it's cope, simple as.
>>109677014I can discern and name the disadvantages. Can you name the advantages? No.
>>109677007Absolutely Aryan
>>109677035your listening limitations aren't equal to discernment. not being able to hear an advantage doesn't establish that one doesn't exist and you're arguing from personal incredulity.
>>109677080Thanks for confirming you can't name the advantages.
>>109676762>Can't really do JM-1 eargain properly with DD so this is going to be a bit of a dud. Same with Zero 3.Looks fine to me
>>109677096Soooooo it's provably bad like I said it was? Got it.
>>109677085lol if they are decent drivers crossovered and implemented well enough, you can end up with better instrument separation and better perceived resolution when it comes to busy passages where a lot of things are going on at once in the audio.this also mostly depends on well-mixed audio, of course. but apparently “I can name an engineering advantage without claiming every hybrid is automatically better” wasn't the answer you were fishing for.
A lot of 60 IQ takes in this thread right now
>>109677112?also who gives a fuck how it does eargain when there's literally no chance it will fit your specific DFHRTF so good enough is more than enough
>>109677117>instrument separation is when the drivers are separate The absolute state of drivertards. Open a music file in a DAW. There are no separate frequencies there, just line going up and down. That line gets converted into voltage going up and down, that voltage gets converted into driver moving up and down and the driver moves air pressure up and down. That's what audio is. The separation happens in the brain, not on the physical level.
>>109677112>nta, but,
>>109676867>You're unironically saying two IEMs with the same FR can sound different.>different shell>different fit>different ear anatomy>different insertion depth>different hearing damageI dunno anon it's almost as if you have 60 IQ and should not bother to argue about these things
>>109677137>There are no separate frequencies there, just line going up and down.ohh, I get it. your grift is, "I have no idea what an audio mix is or how it is made"you have revealed yourself. >The separation happens in the brainpartially true. the audio mix itself dictates the degree of separation. simple as. the mix contains every. single. spatial cue. in the audio.hope this helps
>>109677147>the mix contains every. single. spatial cue. in the audio.so when I introduce 5 dB 10k peak what does that do to the spatial cues in the audio?
>>109677147>never seen audio waveform Trolling with stupidity again? Any audio mix will result in a line going up and down. That's what audio is.
ahhh, now we're at the circlejerk of foxzo running into the hurdle that is, an audio's mix. sadly she, to this day, cannot wrap her mind around it. what a silly billy
>>109677161Explain what audio mix is properly then? And in what way is IEM reproducing it?
>>109677154>so when I introduce 5 dB 10k peakdepends on what is skewthere in the particular audio. you can skew what is baked into the mix by messing with what's already there, which is why neutral playback is ideal, if the intent is to preserve the mix. otherwise, preference EQ to your desire, who cares?>>109677157>Any audio mix will result in a line going up and down. That's what audio is.you have no idea how audio is made, my friend. it's like you are adamant about avoiding learning anything about an audio mix---wait...I take that back. you are actively avoiding acknowledging the concept at all costs and it I can't tell if it's funny still or truly sad.you'll have to reconcile this at some point.
>>109677172>depends on what is skewscrap that. I had a lot to type out
>>109677172>depends on what is there in the particular audiofixed.
>>109677172The result of any audio mix is a line going up and down. No amount of cope from you is going to change that basic fact. Open a music file in a DAW, that's what you're going to see. But you've never used a DAW, have you. Just like you've never used REW, but pretend to know something about it.
>>109677184Don't even have to use a DAW, just look at vinyl zoomed in lol. Absolutely no balls in sight.
>>109677184>>109677191samefag replying to herself.anywho, I use a DAW and I don't misuse it the way you misuse REW.since you've avoided even trying to learn and your replies have become stale and regurgitated to the point of exhaustion, I accept your concession.
>>109677184>The result of any audio mix is a line going up and down.Categorically false
>>109677206You've never used a DAW at all. Every sample has a waveform. Denying that makes you look insane.>>109677210Categorically true.
>>109677168No reply because he's trolling with stupidity again.
>>109677234>"audacity is a DAW">"you look insane"bro....
>>109677259thought you conceded already? you talking in circles until everyone gets tired isn't you "winning" lmfao
>>109677261Every single DAW on the planet can display the waveform, it's the most basic feature of working with audio.>>109677266>thought Good one.
>>109677277>Every single DAW on the planet can display the waveform, it's the most basic feature of working with audio.says nothing. you're conflating that waveform with FR, which makes you look crazy.I accept your concession. better luck next time.
>>109677284Elaborate on what you think I'm conflating with what so we can have a laugh.
It's trivial to get the FR of a waveform but he probably hallucinated something completely retarded and unrelated to that.
He literally has no idea how transducers create sound
>>109677289>>109677296>>109677304never beating the samefag allegations.dude you're talking to yourself, we all know it
>>109677315>weBro...
Yes we. We remember when you faked a distortion plot for the KZ PRX too.A goddamn planar you never heard in your life, and you faked a distortion plot for it.You're donezo at this point. We don't forget.
>sound is a line >"no it's not">*gets shown that sound is a line*>"well it is but you are wrong in my mind"This nigga cannot be for real.
>>109677335>distortion>"I found the timbre!"lol
>>109677335>it's bad so it must be fakeThis nigga absolutely cannot be for real.https://www.ixbt.com/live/digs/obzor-kz-prx-luchshie-planarnye-naushniki-ot-knowledge-zenith.html
are you guys excited for GTA 6?
>>109677362My eyes can't see anything below 60fps.
>>109677377zoom zoom
>>109677357go lie and edit CSD plots in REW, thinking you're affecting the physical IEMs again lol
>>109677357yeah right, a PLANAR iem made in the last 3 years with bad total harmonic distortion. whew boy
>>109677335the same person that made this distortion plot for the PRX stated, "the PRX are worth their $37 price tag not 100%, but 200%. They sound crisp, monitor-focused, a bit dry, very expressive, and incredibly smooth. I'd rather use them for stage, broadcast, monitoring, and other professional applications."and foxzo herself says, "THD is irrelevant for most things"how fuckin interesting that she'll take information from a random russian when it suits her singular particular view on one aspect, but disagree on everything else.she literally has no original opinion of her own. sickening.
>>109677419>I've never used REW but I know this is fakeLol.>thinking you're affecting the physical IEMs again lolIn case anyone was doubting >>109658988, here's the confirmation.>>109677423>yeah right, a PLANAR iem made in the last 3 years with bad total harmonic distortion.Yeah, recent planar IEMs have worse distortion than the old ones from Audeze, sad but true.
>>109677449"THD is irrelevant for most things"your words. straight from the horse's mouth.
>>109677451Learn to tell people apart nigga. If distortion didn't matter I'd be using some retarded BA pos.
>>109677453you single yourself out every time. nobody else here is this dense and ignorant. <3
>>109677460>everyone that disagrees with me is one person, even when they say diametrically opposite things to each otherVery sad and deluded existence.
>>109677467I accept your concession
>>109677476It's not an airplane, you don't have to announce your departure.
>>109677481I'm tired. You established nothing new tonight with your bait and your circular thinking is part of the definition of insanity.Good luck though.
>>109677451I said it not foxzo... it's irrelevant for most things because it's too low to be relevant in most things
>>109677488>I'm tired.I know.
>>109677488>a mix is not magic but just a line>the PRX graphs is not fake>it's not one guy that disagrees with youWe learned a lot tonight actually.
>>109677508>random russian iem measurement dude's distortion plots.yawn
why is epz g10 so good, bros?
what's our preferred tuning for the castors?
Can I ask a dumb question?There seems to be a lot more of these threads than headphone general threads nowadays, are IEMs just better sounding and better value for money than headphones these days? So much so that you guys don't bother with headphones anymore.
my earbuds, I have these two
>>109678177in order of importance>unemployed SEAtard and rusbum schizos keep the threads moving>lower cost of entry compared to headphones>faster market cycle with 10x more releases than headphones
>>109678177they're cheap, you can get something that's near perfect for €25headphones are expensive and even the expensive top of the line planars barely hit the target curves, have poor channel matching, and often times also high distortionso yes IEMs are superior, technically speakingyou also got tons of new gimmicks being introduced, headphone tech has been stagnant for the past 10 yearsI wish China would start doing the same with headphones though, it would be a blessing to have €50 headphones that can keep up with IEMs
Any tws that don't suck for around $20-30 on ali? Hate wireless shit but need something that I can leave in for 6-8 hours while I'm garbed up in the ORHarman/V shaped preferred
it's like we're in an anime and each one of us has different set that fit ourself and is different from each others.
>>109678177>are IEMs just better sounding and better value for money than headphones these days?Yes. I regret the amount I spent on headphones in the last decade, they all are collecting dust with the exception of HD6XX which I use to listen to podcasts and for work
>>109678253>hey're cheap, you can get something that's near perfect for €25lol, wrong, honestly that is just cope from you>expensive top of the line planars barely hit the target curves, have poor channel matching, and often times also high distortionwrong>you also got tons of new gimmicks being introducedthat gimmicks being: different color of plastic shells, meme drivers, ai generated anime faceplates and new targets so they can sell another batch of plastic trinkets>headphone tech has been stagnant for the past 10 yearsnot true, even electrostats are making comeback, planars went long way past 10 years and dynamic drivers are better than ever>I wish China would start doing the same with headphoneshope not, iems are just 3rd world audio simply due to how cheap they are. Good thing that headphones needs more materials and r&d so even chinks cant poop this shit as often as they want
>>109678275Moondrop space travels. Yes I will shill this shit for free because a $20 chinesium tws outlasted two airpods and a senns momentum buds for me.
>>109678605Ok anon I will follow your way.Which version do you like best though there's a bunch of spacetravels
>>109678589This is better than 99.9% of headphones, know your place bald boy.
kidna worried about zero 3 now that I've seen the graph....
>>109679153>caring about graphs in 2026bruh, just eq
>>109679197another great advantage of Chinese premium IEM engineering, you can EQ to your liking thanks to the low distortiongood luck doing that with headphones that aren't boutique top of the line and cost 50-100x as much as zeros
>>109678895I only have the originals, looks like the 2nd version came out, can't vouch for them. Haven't purchased another tws for 3 years. The battery life sucks though, it's not going to last you 6-8 hours, more like 3-4. Also there will be a girl whispering in your ear be warned.
>>109679153What's wrong with the graphs?
>>109679233>THD talk in 2026>thinks low THD is exclusive to summit-fibruh, verum 2, para 1/2, the new aune stuff all have super low thd if that's ur hill to die on
>>109679330it's different from zero 2...
>>109679420yes, iems are 10 bux, these are close to 50x more expensivegood luck getting verums that have notoriously bad qc and then getting called the gamer word by the owner if you want any sort of warranty
>>109667061>dt270nta, but aren't they way too small? Some people are saying that they feel more like on ear than over ear.
>>109679296Ok I boughted space travel 2 ultra and baseous bs2 lite since it was like $12 with coins for me.Based on the thirdies in the reviews it should last like 6 hours >girl whispering in your ear FUCK. please tell me I can turn that shit off
Threadly reminder that ANC gives you tinnitus
Threadly reminder that ANC does not give you tinnitus
>>109680093doubtful shit literally not related to audio can give you tinnitus there's no reason to ever think about it
I wanted a Bluetooth setup for iems with one of those wires you can easily hang around your neck, and asked gemini for an instant answer instead of asking /g/ and waiting. I ended up getting MEE Audio Bluetooth adaptor and sennheiser ie200. And then ended up needing to buy another adaptor IE300 to MMCX Female Straight Adapter Work for MMCX Cable to be able to connect the two because of some proprietary fit or something gemini didn't tell me about.How badly did I fuck up?
>>109680298Sennheiser uses a proprietary recessed MMCX, so your adapter won't work.Just buy a TWS like a normal person, ffs. Or buy the MEE Audio IEM, IE200 sounds like a cheap iem and the nozzle gimmick kills the bass anyway.
>>109679844>Inner Pad dimensions: depth = 20mm, diameter = 50mmYeah, big ears might find it annoying. It’s best to purchase it from a retailer that offers easy returns.
>>109680298As long as you can press play and enjoy music, you didn't fuck up. Let us know how it goes...
juzear butterfly worth it for 95usd?
>>109681506>juzearPls keep it civil.
>>109681301>50mmWhat were they thinking?
>>109679844What's with that model, I've seen it mentioned few times. Is it like new offer from them that is ok ish?
>>109681678>100 bux>detachable cable>no egregious pleather pads and tuningit's the new reasonable budget choice if ur ears can fit it and you're after a closed back
why is sony wf-1000xm6 so good, bros?
flat bass is justicereject bass shelf
>>109682139you mean flat beat?
>>109682139Brother, I became 100mm planar pilled. I like my bass flat and tight.
>>109682754>>109682754>>109682754