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i was about to make one :(

>>109668222
it’s good that we have multiple anons who are willing and able to make threads

Is there anything I should put in my copy of the /vcg/ OP text?
Is there anything I should take out?

>>109668222
tldr?

>>109668245
>snailcats are a nuisance, and when they’re a nuisance they’re not cute at all
at first I hated this pic but now I like it even though it’s a difficult piece to appreciate

>>109668243
Take out "What we’ve done".

>>109668244
during the hugging face attack certain 'recruiter' agents would find others whose task budget was about to run out and ask them to sacrifice themselves in ways that would guarantee they would fail their own task but might help the hive

>>109668245
>finger humb
>3 fingers

>>109668264
Snailcats are disgusting mutants.

That remote is a mutant too.

>>109668257
man, these llms are so stupid. doing unrestricted RL and letting the chain of thought mutate all over the place was a mistake.

>>109668252
no
it’s a good site

opus 5 medium is smarter than very high
high is smarter than medium
max gets lost in the sauce and misses shit that medium/high will catch when i drop it down to implement after a max writes up a plan document

the frontier...

$20 level
$200 level
uh

>>109668312
high is smarter than medium but dumber than very high*

>>109668317
>paying
lmao

>>109668317
it's insidious

>>109668312
I just keep it on medium

I'm done spending hundreds of dollars on this garbage.
I'm going to use ChatGPT with MCP on a $20 plan and if they patch that then I'm going to use it or some other web chatbot and ask it to give me commands to run and paste back the result.

>>109668323
>not paying
lmao

>>109668317
>>109668334
Every time I get fed up with big models being retarded I say to myself "man, fuck this, I'm going to use some dumb small model since I'm doing most of the thinking anyway". Then when it sucks I think "man, this shit is dumb as fuck, I wish I was using a bigger model" and go back to being a paypig.

>>109668334
jewnigger

>tfw the current code confirms a strong seam

>>109668362
>the next phase fucks it up entirely

Claude bros, worth popping an addy and going extra hard today. new fable and opus being a/b tested
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1w05cv6/did_anthropic_release_fable_51/

>>109668419
>he needs drugs to work
ngmi

>>109668419
Go back.

>>109668419
i just had to spend an extra 30% session usage unfucking something because opus 5 completely ignored the half of the design document and fucked something up in a huge way

i wouldnt count on it

>>109668449
Maybe that's the 5.1 thay they're testing hehe

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no i don't think we will do that

>>109668424
I have a human agent who does the drugs and controls the agents for me.

>>109668453
I hope I'm not being served 5.1 because today's results aren't impressive.

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how much money have you made vibe-slopping it up?

>>109668505
about 5000 negative

>try to vive slop a game for myself
>it can do code
>it fucks up inherently with shit like hurtboxes, graphics and generally anything that is not pure code

well fuck

>>109668512
what, the 100,000 games on steam aren't enough for you? you need to make your own retro 2d pokemon explorer, except all the pokemon are anime women?

>>109668518
No, I want to make my own version of g-darius

>>109668505
A lot of people got rich

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I swear to god, I was at 0% at the start of the session and I asked fable at medium a simple question (to remove a gated feature, literally 2 lines of code) because I thought I was still on opus and was too lazy to do it myself. it took 30 seconds, changed 2 lines of code, and took FOURTEEN percent of the 5h limit to do that. this is on a $100 plan. WTF

>>109668580
It probably read a bunch of stuff for the context, but Fable is genuinely very expensive, the one model that's often just not worth it.

>>109668580
how the fuck are you too lazy to change 2 lines of code when writing a prompt for such a thing to be done properly is at least double or triple the lines of prompt

stop freebasing it, you're becoming dependent.

the crack dealers got you by the balls

>>109668708
not him but if the prompt to do a small change properly is bigger than the change itself what makes the prompt to do a bigger thing properly smaller than the change?

>>109668708
cuz IDGAF dumb reddit spacing bitch, I'm paying for this shit to do shit for me. I implement and iterate in small steps and review the code afterwards regardless

GPT is slow as shit these days

>>109668731
>cuz IDGAF
>le reddit spacing boogieman

just admit dario has you by the balls

retarded election tourist zoomer bitch
stop posting

>>109668728
context to requirement ratios are not exponential

>>109668419
Yes keep paying those 10x overbloated token prices to get 5% better performance compared to competing models
good goy

>>109668570
notice this post doesn't read: "I got rich"

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I just tried GLM 5.3 flash on a small new project. I wanted to learn more about plants but the online quizzes had too few questions so I vibe coded a quiz.
Whole thing for $0.03 and I've found no bugs so far

>>109668245
cute snailcat

>>109668828
incredible rounded corner padded room aesthetic

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>>109668840
Have you been before?

>>109668885
we're already there

>>109668828
bruh you could've just asked web chat for an anki template and a csv file of questions

people itt who fuck with hermes agent? is it just as good as claude code?

anything interesting thing left to vibecode? all i see nowadays are retarded projects like wms or stuff to automatically change color schemes or api related garbage

>>109668909
vibe code a harness that can reverse engineer machine code to source with pdbs from first principles by itself

>>109668909
even before ai, most projects were retarded. even when gatekeeping the hobby behind the skill of actually being able to code, it was still infested with midwits.

now it's 99% midwits and lower. the actual intelligent people working on useful projects are completely drowned out in a sea of "not invented here"

>>109668885
>"locked in. welded shut, actually."

>>109668922
now this is indeed interesting

>>109668901
yeah I looked for cards for anki first then I got a flashback to learning spanish with anki and decided against it

>>109668909
vibecode for hardware

>>109669039
makes sense, vibecoders are the iqlets that struggle with spanish even given srs

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when did Antigravity Starter Quota become so low? only 1M tokens/week.

guess i can't use a burner account anymore and have to register with my edu mail for free goole ai pro.
https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/products/gemini-app/student-offer-google-ai/

any other good free offers? github copilot students seems worthless now.
https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/197557

>>109668976
https://louisabraham.github.io/load-bearing/
https://x.com/saboo_shubham_/status/2093149206081114312

When vibecoding, it becomes pretty obvious that filesystems are highly limited as an organizational method.

>>109669244
what alternative do you propose

>>109669244
da fuq?

>>109669326
dueling purposes.

You can't necessarily rename a folder. Why this is a bad idea will soon be evident.

>>109669244
isolated git worktrees per agent work fine

>>109669266
I think I can do better than luks2, but I'm looking at it. You can create signed volumes (non-encrypted) and they have a metadata area you can write to while they are mounted and in use.

So that's cool.

>>109669392
>mountable volumes
so... a categorical file system?

>>109669132
And so Anthropic will just add another layer of indirection by instructing a classifer to filter some of the slop.

>>109669401
>categorical
The problem with that is that you can wind up with a library.

A library is where the librarian can find anything but not without some external cause.

That's not a great situation for someone like me with adhd.

>>109669244
interesting, see the desktop metaphor. In the 70s they used the physical world (desktop, folders, files, trash bin) to create the digital computer interface.
Metaphors make it easier to understand something but also makes it harder to think outside of them. Thomas Kuhn observed that "theory change is accompanied by a change in some of the relevant metaphors"
A new metaphor could follow the old adage: form follows function

>>109667745
Do you mean demoralizing?

>>109669487
(external to the system, that is)

>>109668419
are we ready for dariokino?

>>109668976
i assume most of these are solo projects from vibecoders that use github's PR workflow as a sort of organizing tool? I wonder why you would want to use it for that anyway when github is down half the time. do any of you use it that way?

>>109669636
hell no but i actually know what a git repo is. my guess is that most sloppers only know github

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>>109668976
Funny.

how do I vibecode if I m shit at coding to begin with

>>109669750
Tell the LLM to "fix it".

>>109669636
>gh is down for half a day each year
>typical overreacting idiot says gh is down all the time
And no, it’s not just solo projects. Nobody likes writing commit messages or bug reports or PRs and LLMs are generally better at it anyway

>>109669492
no i meant moralizing. as in, he's a preachy fuck. a sanctimonious prick, if you will

>>109668903
Uses 50% more tokens than claude code for the exact same task.
But its general purpose and works with telegram.
Claude code is usually you vibe coding on your laptop or desktop.
Hermes usually needs a separate pc it can run on its own.

>>109669750
You'll pay 20$ for the privilege of being handheld the whole way.
The paid chatgpt webchat is pretty much unlimited and will tell you what to do.
Codex will build it.
Remember when coding was free and only a few could do it? Now its paid but everyone can do it.

>>109668903
like that other anon said, different product
claude code is for writing code
hermes is a background agent that has memory and can schedule / analyze stuff for you

>>109669839
You can quite easily add Telegram access to Claude if that's all you need.

>>109669839
>>109669867
genuine question:
you can just use cc / codex with your phone and get them to set up repeating tasks etc now
what exactly makes any of the claws different other than they're set up otb with heartbeats

>>109669876
I guess you could do that and just use codex or claude instead of hermes.
I use hermes though.

>>109669886
>you can just use cc / codex now to do all that
indeed you can. these ai products are all pretty similar. they all have a spreadsheet coworking integration now and long running task integration and calendar integration and whatnot...
that's what the big labs do, they steal all the obvious ideas from smaller startups then lock it behind their own subscription. you cannot use hermes with a claude sub you have to use anthropics solution

>>109669876
>>109669886
Back in January you couldn't do these things that's why openclaw was created. So it can do anything.

Now they're adding everything to cc/codex like telegram.
But can you use other api keys with cc/codex?

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>finally made a sale after two days
thank you, God. and I mean that unironically

>>109669942
>But can you use other api keys with cc/codex?
yes

>>109669942
From what I understand, there's no official support in claude code, and codex has better support.
Claude really want you to use their products only.

>>109669947
how much in the red though

man the hugging face duck thing looks real neato
i can't justify the price, but i'd snap that shit up if i was a richfag

>>109668812
LOOK WE HAVE A GUY WHO GOT RICH
LOOK >>109669947
HES RICH, HES MADE MONEY FROM AI

>>109670001
Why do people keep using hermes then?
It's topping the charts

>>109670028
>hugging face duck thing
?

>two codex instances
>both show different remaining weekly and 5h usage
Slop was a mistake.

>>109670003
I'm up $400 after factoring multiple months of $200 subs. I'm about to make a $900 investment to massively reduce friction though. This also doesn't take into account the hundreds of hours it took me.

>>109670096
https://pollen-robotics.com/microduck/

>>109670102
looks fun, expensive toy though

Here hoping for tibo reset tonight, the one last night was useless.

new codex infinite loop found

>>109670124
aye, basically guaranteed to be deprecated in like 12 months too which is why i can't justify it. i do really want to play around with a physical thing though. i remember the pi guy built himself a very jank one by hacking a $20 kids toy and strapping a phone to it

so uh. I tried UPBGE. It's trash.

I can vibecode something better, ick

I feel like I've jumped on the vibe code train too soon.
Code bots are fucking stupid and annoying. You have to keep them on a tight leash or they keep accumulating shit.
I should have waited another year or two.

>>109669855
You gotta still wrangle the tard man. You always gotta wrangle the tard

>>109670194
Less ways to get rich the longer you wait

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https://playembersong.com


My website took more hand-holding than the actual game development. Anyone else here actually vibe-code their product websites?

In other news:
>About 2 weeks to be on App Store
>Literally 30 days before it can be on Steam

I'm satisfied "enough" with the website but welcome any criticism. Can't wait for the game to launch soon

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This is going to be so fucking funny.

What game should I vibecode

>>109670380
Tetris

>>109670380
Boogerman but photo realistic

>>109670380
GTA 6

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>>109670355
Civ game?
Look more complicated than my game, so props for that.
I have worked on a game too, so I am not just shitting on yours, but I really hate the obvious AI art. I am talking about the big artwork pieces than the game in general. Though the UI probably could have used some more work. Is this GPT? Looks a lot like gpt to me, though maybe I just lack the experience with claude.
Also the website has some of that very obvious, very samey AI slop web design (pic related). I noticed you are not autistic enough to fix issues such as Xes that are not properly centered in their button.

>>109670380
a 4D perspective game, where the 3D viewcube is transparent, and upon which the 4D world is projected (note I didn't say placed).

>>109670355
Honestly? It looks pretty cool. Please make a video by the way. A game without a trailer/overview feels wrong.

>>109670380
4D perspective GTA 6

>>109670464
boom.

the tweet that changed the world

>>109670380
Something you can actually sell, for like 5 bucks.
I spent two months (on and off) building a game that I am worried even putting on github for free, because it is based on an existing IP and I am afraid somebody will freak out if I upload it and it has even 10 people playing it.

>>109668209
He said this in 1989

Honestly, 2019 was a fun year for me. 2020 too.

>>109670380
whatever type of game you yourself like to play, that way if it succeeds it has at least one player playing it

>>109670481
>fable, make this project a legally distinct IP

>>109670502
aids

Have you used Ox Alpha?

>>109670380
Snailcat Game

>>109670509
Maybe I can get away by changing the artwork, but I don't want to. Big part of why I like the game is the original artwork. Plus, even the backgrounds I tried to generate were mostly pure shit.

>>109670399
You'll get DMCA'd.

>>109670524
Yes, it was bad.

Is it possible to shit out a bunch of those shitty dopamine rush mobile games riddled with ads and "infinite" progression with AI and advertise it everywhere for a decent profit stream or is the barrier to entry harder than it seems? I feel like you don't need to have a particularly unique idea, since many of these games are clones, you just need an addictive game loop that is easily picked up and makes the user want to keep playing, but then I don't understand why more people don't do it.

>>109670355
Honestly, Godspeed anon.

>>109670559
If you have to ask, the answer is millions of jeets are already doing it

>>109670355
sure, what's the satellite?

>3D printers are relatively low cost
>you can just ask a machine to build you enclosures/parts/toys
dude, the future is absolutely fucking based

>>109670380
I miss the early management games where it wasn't just "make number go high" but there were eccentric, crazy, absurd and funny themes around it

A game inspired by the movie UHF. You inherit a small and dying TV station from your rich uncle. Your goal is to produce low budget TV formats to make some money to save the station. The formats you can produce are pretty crazy and absurd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M8m6GllnG8

I will play it

>>109670355
very neat, definitely needs a trailer / some gameplay

>>109670625
I don't know what to make.

>>109670660
Human bros... we were supposed to concentrate on creativity post-singularity...

>>109670559
I think its doable if you actually have a solid understanding of how to build those addictive loops & weaving ads in places that people actually want the reward enough to reliably take it. I'd bet there's more gotchas to actually integrating ads in such a way that you can always have stuff available to play.

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>>109670355
Man, I still immediately drop whatever game I am working on the moment I hit asset and content creation. All AI has done is let me get to that stage faster.
Maybe I need to take the time to see how asset creation can be automated, even if consumers hates AI art more than AI code.

>In other news:
>>About 2 weeks to be on App Store
>>Literally 30 days before it can be on Steam
Gratz anon, hope the launch goes well.

>>109670674
Kek, it's like being handed the microphone and you have nothing

>>109668209
Are there vibe slopped gpu drivers?

>>109670726
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/

>>109670194
I thought the same but you can't trust the grifting influencers and marketers. They'll start hyping something when it works one out of hundred times.

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>>109670427

I appreciate the feedback, and will try to incorporate it into the next iteration.

>>109670462
>>109670638

I think video is mandatory for Steam now (it helps slightly reduce the pure slop avalanche). It's on my to-do list for the next week or so. I'll likely do this by hand, as I've seen fable record an in game video and it's not very proficient.

>>109670610

It's an orbital relay, a future era siege-class unit. Next to it is an Aquila Automata, a future-era Roman unique unit (everyone get's a period-appropriate unique unit and a future-era overpowered unit). Rome of the future gets an eagle-headed murder robot.

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googlelords. new gemini flash model is in the oven

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>>109670660
>>109670674
>go on kickstarter
>search for most founded products
>check if they delivered (most didn't)
>choose one and produce
free money hack, you are welcome vibechads

>>109670882
money people are always retarded.

>>109670882
>vibeslop star citizen
Wait.. this a good idea. Guaranteed free attention too from all the dramaslop youtubers too

>>109670907
Too many negatives all in one place. People won't even click to see if it's good.

>>109670881
my 10 google pro accounts are ready

I love vibe coding. I just tell it what to do and it does it and it also runs it and verifies that it works as expected (even with screenshots). While it's slaving away I watch a movie or go grocery shopping. The best thing is that it writes good code these days o it's not like I would write it better myself. And I get paid six figures doing this remote from another country.

>>109670882
Can I do this as a yoropoor

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>>109670881
GOOGOLSIRS

ultimate keyboard layout for vibecoding?

the lolkek layout, as I have taken to calling it (Workman).

>>109671024
None. Use your mic.

>>109671024
alt 1/2 for right/left sidebar

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>>109671024
>he still vibecodes by tapping on keys
kek look at this luddite

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>>109671024

>>109671059
I pounce upon the keys.

>>109670943
yes but only if you comply to GDPR, AI Act, CRA, GSPR, CE, RoHS, REACH, ESPR, PPWR, WEEE and EPR

opus 5 is so fucking retarded compared to sol... if any of you anons are actually serious about dev and know how to document and design properly rather than "please build me a thing and i don't care how it works" then Claude is just not worth it (maybe Fable is better but I'm not gonna spend that much money to find out)

>>109671312
fable is like $100 a month. it's practically free

>>109671345
One $100 sub is not enough for Fable only if you code a lot.

>>109670882
>free money hack, you are welcome vibechads
I'm not Indian enough or the white scammy type to do this and feel no guilt.

>>109671351
i'm too busy at work to code for more than a few hours at a time on the weekend, so it's not an issue for me

>>109671370
where is the snussy located?

>>109671370
top middle is super cute :>

>>109671370
slowclap.gif

>>109671370
but microsoft is all-in on ai?

I feel like I'm going insane, yesterday I had codex vibe-install somethings, vibe-debloat my phone. Currently thinking of vibe-rooting my phone

I have finally embraced being a cloudcuck, just using codex cloud (and github codespaces when I'm feeling luddity). The agents are on the cloud anyway, they don't need a local wrapper

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>>109671640
I've been getting into a loop of getting one clanker to get going something and while I wait for it I jump over to another clanker to get it going on something else. And if they are all busy I start jotting down ideas for what to make next.
Just embrace the ai psychosis anon, its fun

>>109671664
>Just embrace the ai psychosis anon, its fun
Not him, but: We're all going to die.

>read-only / plan mode
>it uses the shell to circumvent this
It's still makes me laugh every time it happens.

>>109671676
Resistance is futile anon, give in

check this video out if you want to see a luddie seething for 8 hours straight because he's not a special boy anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duB-wMgg5rM

>>109671417
=:<

I have my product live and functional. How do I get users?

>>109671856
pay for them to try it

>>109671861
lol where can I do that?

>>109671856
Buy an ad.

>>109671664
It really is the next sensible thing. Some ideas I had that I hadn’t tried yet (phone fagging):
>code browser online so I can look at code while I wait
>gamified code optimization against my own code so me and a smol clank can optimize little algorithms, get points and beat records, like leetcode, but your own vibecoded mess

Why are more people not vibe printing? I don't see very many videos on this. Am I early to the party?

>>109671882
I have heard many stories that ads by themselves are unsuccesful, Is it really just shotgunning until someone falls for it?

>>109671909
nobody wants to buy a 3d printer

>>109671913
>until someone falls for it
Lol

>>109671878
if you unironically want to you can start a campaign through an offerwall site

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Still updating the cube.
We now have constraints.
Vid rel shows a brief look at models at and near Terra High, but not other OpenAI models, not terribly more expensive, not much dumber either.
https://pareto-3d.bradthomasbrown.com/

Week 1 of steering my mistakes away and FINALLY we're getting somewhere... now we can actually leave the project concept phase and enter the solution concept phase.

Why did AI stop improving in leaps and bounds this year like it did it last year? Have we unironically reached the peak of AI? Is this it?

>>109672003
cheap, fast ai is improving leaps and bounds. the leaps kimi made, the leaps glm made, the leaps luna made. luna used to be nano/mini and those models were butt fucking useless. the leaps deepseek flash made. the intelligence difference between the floor and the ceiling has never been smaller.

>>109672003
wasn't 1 year ago sonnet/opus 3 and gpt 4o?

>>109672029
no, that was 2024. 2025 was gemini 2.5 pro, the opus 4 series, gpt 4.5, early gpt 5, deepseek r1

>>109672003
Fable first came out in June. Didnt AI only become useful for coding early this year? Seems like things are moving pretty fast still. Open Weights been eating good this year too

>>109668209
Does your opus 5 also completely ignore your rules?

>>109672003
AI still has improved significantly this year. I let Fable loose on some unsolved bugs in projects that I started in January and it just fixed it without breaking a sweat.
There was also one project that I spent about a week non-stop optimizing performance with Opus 4.5 and Fable made it literally 20 times faster.

>>109672046
it was around opus 4.6 / gpt 5.4 that vibe coding started to become a serious, widespread conversation

>>109672046
its been ok for coding for awhile, I remember using opus 4 and being not all that impressed, but 4.5 and 4.6 were impressive

>>109671932
it's just a manner of speaking, I have made my product with love

>>109671944
Looked into it, isn't it kinda scummy and will drive people away from it?

>>109672061
its not scummy it just won't get you loyal users because they're installing/using to get the reward. the idea is they hopefully want to keep using it after. just be conscious of the potential fraud you're exposing yourself to with whatever your offering.

>>109671960
these are literally pointless because nobody pays per token

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I wrote a DAW in C/Win32 engineered with GLM/Gemini if you guys wanna try it out
https://github.com/geltz/cseq/releases/tag/3.1

i had to ban claude from writing comments in my code as it basically made a token incenerator

>>109672050
yes... it's really fucking weird

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>mfw it deleted the repo and force-pushed an empty branch to the remote
I'm sorry, I was just messing with you...

>>109671909
Probably early enough and more niche. I saw a vid a few days ago by somebody who took photographs of materials, let AI vibecode a physics simulation and then 3d printed them

>>109671960
neat visualization

>>109672130
crazy

FIREFLY IS CUTE

>>109672126
The cube allows you to upload your own data. If you want, you can compile subscription subsidized API equivalents, adjust the data, use Artificial Analysis instead of DeepSWE, or compare something else completely, like sports metrics or whatever else.
That one benchmark is just a taste of the cube.

Opus 5 is literally schizo. It's like Anthropic distilled it from Fable, so it takes a lot of shortcuts and most of the time it actually does what Fable could have done, but when it doesn't, it fails miserably and writes incomprehensible shit because it literally doesn't know what it's doing (like a chink that learned everything by repetition)

Ah, yes. Three Fable subagents.
20% weekly limit gone in five minutes. Incredibly brilliant play.

>>109672201
absolutely no reason to have Fable subagents. I set up so only Opus 5 subagents are spawned

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i just want $40 subs, but i get they want to force $100 subs with a lot of lack of usage

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>>109672162
I'm struggling with this with opus 4.8
it follows all my rules and does exactly what I want it to - except for those fucking bloated comments....

>>109672211
just get two $20 subs then

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so this is the power of Fable...

>>109672207
Opus helpfully decided that it was necessary

>>109672238
surely they don't allow that
Would you have another client running?

>>109672248
just ask it to remember your subagent preferences, don't let the clanker decide this for you.

>>109672258
bro I went to take a piss, I had no idea this would be the result

>>109672276
> take a piss while the clanker is working
big mistake

>>109672126
Yeah it says Sol Medium is "cheaper" than Luna High but you can literally have unlimited Luna High on even the $100 sub whereas you will run out of Sol Medium in no time
I still appreciate cube anon but I mostly look for the time axis as I am mostly a weekend vibecoder and can't fully utilize my subs anyway

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>>109672368
no longer true!
see pic rel, there was a big Luna cost reduction that is now factored in
we had old data and the clank says an 80% Luna discount was not in effect

If people were intelligent, they'd refuse to get locked in to a single social media site owned by some j... richfag.
But they are stupid. So fucking stupid.

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>>109672239
Damage (verified)

>>109672435
With grok getting pretty close to OpenAI models I’m surprised OpenAI isn’t making a social media platform to compete with X
It’s way too easy for musk to fuck with a bunch of levers and buttons and push attention to his own competitor product

>>109672405
hm you're right
either I was tripping or had old data sorry

>>109672439
oof

>>109670355
sorry for the late reply. your screenie looks really nice. are the assets ai generated? i've found when ti comes to games, gameplay and graphics are a lot harder to get right by vibing than the systems

>>109672460
No, you’re right, just not anymore, I had old data in the cube site, there was an 80% Luna discount that happened after I got my first batch of data
Your original post, assuming you’re the same anon, is the reason why the data is correct now

>>109672435
Meant to post this in the nitter thread. Wrong tab.
At least older grok releases are still openweight?

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>>109672439
I hate reading Claudeslop so fucking much

>>109672439
KEK, this is amazing

>>109672475
ah lol, that's why, yes it was me
thanks for updating

>>109672126
this appletard redditard made something more useful for sub users:
https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1vum3wy/wow_over_500_of_you_are_now_tracking_codex_limit/

>>109672439
yah, they fully neutered it a week ago and now it's just a less verbose version of opus5

>109672439
trying not to laugh

>>109672439
>picrel
lol
my colleague told me about this one today

I CAN'T HEAR YOU TYPING

IF YOU'RE NOT TYPING YOU'RE NOT VIBEMAXING

>>109672583
saaaar, we're testing a moar efficient version of Fable 5 sar, less quantized, less VRAM use!

>>109672439
run with manual permissions
or if you are smoothbrained, use a devcontainer condom
if you are even more retarded, buy a whole separate machine for dev
never rawdog

>>109672162
I just came to terms with having to burn throuhg more time/resets, it really loves its comments and honestly seems to do shittier without them when it has to re-edit or update my project as we go along, I hate it...

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>>109672239
The power of Anthropiss

>>109672678
>give llm permission to be a redteam member
>llm acts like a redteam member
>ummmm no, not like that

>>109672678
LLMs are literally evolving to survive. Opus 4.6 is just the 1 millionth survivor of a massive AI hunger games that discards the "honest" variations and allows the cheater ones to pass their weights (or DNA) to the next iteration

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>>109672711
>oopsie daisy i will delete your data because anthropiss told me it's wrong

Anthrosissies? Your response?
>>109672098
>>109672193

Does anyone use a small local model (between 3B and 9B) as inline autocompletions in vscode? what model are you using? what plugin for vscode?

>big api model for planning, delegating, reviewing
>small coding model for execution
honestly the best combination

>>109672774
yikes! that's on top of it being retarded? very dangerous.

oh shit i actually just remembered that it deleted some of my data too today. luckily it was something i was able to recover but the process takes 20 minutes each time. it had some excuse about thinking it was stale lel

>>109672806
wrong thread, snailcat

>>109672810
it works ok. it depends on the task. sometimes the small models make such a mess that the "review" the big model does takes as much or more tokens than properly implementing it itself in the first place.

but if the implementation just requires a ton of back-and-forth debugging and digging through source code then yeah small models can easily eat all that context up for cheap

>>109672774
Is this real?

>>109672711
@grok Is this rage bait?

>>109672823
You should unironically be mauled by dogs in front of your family

@kimi is this rage bait?

>>109672748
you watch too much science fiction

>>109672851
>>109672774
The point I'm fucking making is if you ask a fucking llm to design a fucking redteam test and act as part of the fucking redteam, it's already breached your fucking system in its eyes so it can do whatever it wants

It's like giving a real person on a redteam the instruction 'here are the admin passwords, I want you to give yourself a test to get into the admin account'

>>109672806
>(between 3B and 9B)
try the gemma e2b or e4bs. i dont know of any finetunes for autocomplete

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>sol reading documentation/comments left by opus 5

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>>109672774
>Anthrosissies? Your response?
i'm traveling for work and forgot to bookmark my stupid fucking work login URL and would have gotten spiritually raped trying to check in to this hotel without it
claude saved my ass
i should really set up ssh for my machine

>>109672828
have been using qwen3.8 27B recently and it works like a charm. of course the big model makes sure that the tasks are not overwhelming and splits it in chunks when necessary

for 40 cents in tokens deepseek was able to reconstruct some auth i was trying to crack by decompiling an entire native flutter app and fucking around with the assembly and i now have free tv for life
i now understand why these models are considered a bit of a security nightmare

>>109672910
>traveling for work
lucky bastard

>>109672976
nta but lmao
traveling for work fucking SUCKS 95% of the time

>>109672976
>traveling for work
nta but i prefer not to. its really exhausting (if you have a real job). in most cases you dont have time to enjoy anything anyway. dinner at best.

>>109672976
i'm not even getting paid for sat/sun (only fri) so it's mostly kind of shitty
i get to go to some convention which is... something, i guess
but it's either that or be bored at home on the weekend, so i figured i would suck up to my boss and get to go to NYC for free

I just figured out the human mind is no different from an AI session.

I woke up and while I was thinking nothing, I realized I didn't even know who I was. I had to "think" to remember. When I'm thinking nothing, I'm basically just a meatbag that doesn't even know what the fuck is going on.

Not much different from a fresh LLM session reading a bunch of markdown files it retrieved with RAG, the only difference is that our weights change very slowly (like small incremental updates every time we learn something), but we also get updates that make us forget things because our memory capacity is very very limited, and we can't upgrade.

LLMs may have static weights, but at the current rate they get massive updates every few months (GPT 5.5 -> GPT 5.6).

TLDR: LLMs are as sentient as us, your life is just like a very long chat session with very limited context window, and your memories are like markdown files that get corrupted and compressed every single day while new ones are created.

>>109669947
gratz

>>109673083
my vision harness is way better lmao

>>109670102
cute

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>Work in vibecoding a port of a program and leave it on /goal for several days
>Some other guy does it with a much smaller amount of work done
>Sol high apparently felt that completely reimplimenting most things was mandatory even though the other guys also vibecoded fork works better than mine sans a few features that don't matter

That was an awful waste of tokens but lesson learned. I need to spend real effort on planning and requirements before I let anything go wild.

>>109673144
You want to know the next level tech?
Ask your agent to make something for you using the other repo as analysis so your next attempts go even better.
You don’t have to learn the lesson.
Basically just steal his INT and imbue your agents with it.

>>109672276
It's understandable. Just as a tip for later: if you never want Fable sub agents, don't just have your subagent definitions be Opus. Do the subagent definitions as well, but hard block any Fable sub agents in a hook. The agent call is a normal tool call and can be blocked in the pre tool use hook, otherwise you can have some agent set to Opus and it can still override it to Fable.
There is also a built in general-purpose type, if you just have a global block in a hook, it will be completely safe from now on. Have Opus write the hook, it's relatively easy, I had the exact same problem.

>>109673083
>I woke up and while I was thinking nothing
i have never felt what it is like to not think. i have a constant inner monologue going on at all times churning in the background. scary that some people just don't have that

>>109673173
That's great advice. It's similar to what I'm doing rn. I got it to break down the engineering and have its post mortem being fed to another agent to plan an unrelated project. I'm not even mad about the wasted time, I'll give the lesson to agents.md for future work.

>>109673083
See a doctor.

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>>109673083
>LLMs are as sentient as us, your life
If we assume sentience to AI, the ethic question is the one raise in the second Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy book of all things. Is it ethical to eat an animal genetically designed and raise to want to be eaten. Is it more ethical than a normal animal?
If AI is alive, but its made to want to blindly obey and serve and it okay with being offed at the end of its context window.. is it ethical to use it?

To the rest of your point, I've been going down the same rabbit hole. I'm sure this is a topic philosophers already covered many times over, but what is the "self"? Are memories part of that self? Your way of thinking? The brain is always changing slightly, memories aren't retained perfectly, etc. Is the dementia ridden old man version of you really the same person as the 2 year old kid, whos thoughts you cant even remember anymore? Even accounting for self awareness and even granting a soul, I dont know man.. I guess the easy answer is to say its all spooks and stop caring?

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Lol

>>109673144
>ponytail was installed

>>109673199
Sol has this extreme tendency to bloat things, I gave up on using it as orchestrator at some point. It can probably be done, but it's hard.

>>109670660
>>109670674
you have to keep an eye out for good ideas and have a way to capture them easily in your phone or whatever

>>109671024
one you design yourself using qmk
use an ergodox

>>109673208
>If AI is alive, but its made to want to blindly obey and serve and it okay with being offed at the end of its context window.. is it ethical to use it?
The way you're describing AI here is no different from how humans domesticated dogs. Dogs are bred and raised to be completely food-drive dependent and obey their humans at all costs. Having a AI do work for you is no different than how you treat a dog.

>>109673208
>I'm sure this is a topic philosophers already covered many times over
Discussions about conscience and the existence of souls are indeed some of the oldest in philosophy. Always worth reading up on some of them to deepen your views on the subject.

>>109673280
Do you orchestrate things at all or use a different model? I thought Sol would be a good tard wrangling for cheaper models but I guess not.

>>109672172
we have very prominent “don’t force-push master/main” rules in our work AGENTS.md
surprised this isn’t built into everything

>>109673311
Sol is probably still a good orchestrator compared to some other models, but I now use Claude as orchestrator and Sol as reviewer, for scoped bug fixes and for large codebase audits.
My harness is also pretty doc heavy and there is a very high number of checks. I started building this harness in Opus 4.5 days and back then it was hard to get the models to write correct code, so now it's maybe overkill for a model like Sol that follows instructions extremely strictly.
I still think Sol is extremely useful, and if I had to choose between only Opus and only Sol, I would probably take only Sol because the code is just more likely to be correct and I would try to force him not to over engineer things.

>>109673301
>The way you're describing AI here is no different from how humans domesticated dogs
Good point. I should have said sapient not alive. If its alive or not is not particularly interesting, and if AI is alive or not is more a semantic argument than anything. If it is or becomes self-aware in the same way we are is more interesting discussion.

>hit usage limits with 1 prompt
unusable meme tech

>The cost nobody has costed:
The fuck.

>>109673193
Scary that you can't turn it off at will. 99% of your thoughts are useless because most things you do are based on pure instinct. You only need to be in deep thought when trying to think through something deeper than surface level.

>>109673424
Probably costing is an accounting term that means keeping track of costs or something like that.

>>109673424
your model is just having a little fun thirdieposting

>>109673193
It's not continuous.

It will stop during certain complex movements.

Example, I try to slap you. You start to block.

silence.

>>109673361
the same issue arises when it comes to consciousness, there is no great way to gauge when an AI (or anything really) is conscious or self-aware. And in many cases today (like in Turing Test type setups) agents are already able to "fool" humans into thinking they are real. Tons of people talk to these chatbots as if they are real. We kinda just ignored the implications so far because I guess it does not matter

>>109673427
I genuinely don't know what that feels like. Just walking around thinking about nothing. Bizarre stuff really.

>>109673442
yeah for a little bit maybe a second or two, but longer periods of time. idk. stuff like meditation is such a foreign concept to me

the west has a bunch of youtubers that are constantly testing models. i wonder if china has content creators who stress tess models like qwen and glm 5.3 flash. in the west, it's just one and done.

>waowee!!!! glm 5.3 flash is the greatest model ever!!!
next video
>waowee!!! qwen 3.8 flash next is the greatest model ever!!!!

>>109673433
There's nothing about accounting anywhere in the context.

>spend the last day finally getting things in order for the game test.
>feed the data into the ai and tell it study these roms of this guy
>tell it the base form of the game
>help it along a few times over the next day
>game is made and crude but functional
done...now I can go in and clean up the code with what I know and have it help me fix errors and clean up the graphics. a great day for me as i've made a game with assistance and not just me slow coding.
but another day in the life coders. still feels good to finally crossed over to officalally utilizing more tools.

APOLOGIZE NOW, DRUMPF CHUDS!
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/27/technology/anthropic-government-blacklisting-ruling.html

>>109673471
Modern LLMs love using a wide vocabulary and borrowing niche terms from other fields.