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Where's the catch?
>>109672897>>109673091what settings are you running the game at?
>>109671167Told you cocksuckers to make the next thread>>109673304Micron DDR5 ICs aren't interesting to OC.You might as well buy the cheapest 2x32GB DDR5 kit.
>he bought the oled
>>109673332well it IS the cheapest.by a long shotthat's why i was wondering where the catch is
>>109671379>bought this thing three years ago and it just shit itself last nightAnother victim of LCD lasts forever-meme fallengetting real tired of being vindicated every day
>>109673391I also bought a Crucial kit because it was the cheapest one. But I really only needed the capacity and I'm not even using XMP.
>>109673377I boughted oleds and returned them for various reasons, bad firmware, samsung qcnext oled (display at all) I will buy will be a oled tv, there is nothing that is actually fun to buy other than thatafter that you will be informed about my journey with themmost likely a s95f, s95h, s99h
>>109673304> CL40
>>109673466
i tried for 5.8 and 5.2, but that requires quite a bit more voltage and i dont think my air cooler can hang at that point. Settled for 5.7 and 5.1, both core types staying under 1.3v, and a temperature limit of 90c. It can stay cool enough to maintain clocks for games, but in cinebench or other heavy workloads it is going to throttle.270k 5.7/5.1 with Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SEcl30 6000 team group kit at 8000 1.45v 42-56-56-49 trfc 700 trfcb 680 trefi 65111 trrd 8 trrdl 12 tfaw 24Z890 TomahawkPhanteks AMP 1kW Platinum9070 XT Red Devil -100mvFractal Design Meshify 3 SolidI really think i lucked out on this CPU. I haven't seen many clock this high.Here's a geekbench score, keeping up and even beating a 9950x.https://browser.geekbench.com/v7/cpu/226489
>>109671379>>109671961You got a point about everyone misidentifying that LG 4K monitor's panel.But LG's 4K LCD gaming monitors in general are known to have QC issues.I looked into a $400 4K LG LCD when I was searching for monitors to add in the OP, user reviews were flooded with similar complaintsEven RTING's store bought LG 4K monitor review sample broke down in less than 3 years.>>109672595Only if the change logs note features like new CPU microcodes or memory compatibility improvements.Security based microcode updates can reduce CPU performance.>>109672796Your board might not support running three video cards.>>109672919>tRRD 8>tFAW 24Daily DDR5 system with that memory module should always set tFAW to 32, tRRDs / tRRDl 8
>>109673520>Daily DDR5 system with that memory module should always set tFAW to 32, tRRDs / tRRDl 8I will take a look at adjusting these, thanks Anon
>>109673540tfaw 32 and trrd_s 8 is the rule, trrdl may not be stable @ 8 for all kits. Looser trrdl is fine.
>>109673561tfaw 32, trrd and trrdl at 8 then?
>>109673391Check "Sold & Shipped" by section, I'd make sure it's either Crucial, Amazon, or very well known third party sellers (brick and mortar stores).If a third party seller is offering that kit, it might not qualify for Crucial RMA refunds if you need it (depends on specific seller).Beach Camera in the US for example is a well known physical electronics store with a reliable Amazon Marketplace & eBay account.
>>109673577oh my bad misread, tfaw 32, trrd 8 and trddl 12 is fine?
>>109673577you need to stress test trrdl 8 stability, leave it at 12 if you can't be bothered.tFAW 32 and tRRD_s 8 should be stable.
>>109673596is there anything to be had from increasing the TREFI beyond 65111? I guess i could try low 100000s but i dont know how much it improves things
>>109673377>I'm happy with my OLED displays
>>109673520>Your board might not support running three video cards.How can I tell? It's an ASUS HERO Z790 MAXIMUS, and from reading the specs, I should have enough x8/x8 on the CPU slots, and x4 on the chipset slot, even with all the M.2's installed - FWIW, installing 1 card on CPU slot, and 1 on the chipset slot (With the second CPU slot left empty) doesn't work either
/pcbg/ home https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPLz4uwDtA
>>109673294any suggestions for loweing the price a little (maybe 1700)? GamingBlenderGamedev (Godot / Unreal)Italylooking to keep this for the next 6 years
>>109673647Also, localAI
>>109673647If you are any serious into local AI then make sure you get mobo that supports bifurcation and dedicated 24 cpu lanes. This is the core thing to be able to do multi gpu setups for LLM's as the your latency will be low as long as you dont use the chipset lanes. You cant get away wthout 16 x lanes with cards and adapters but you cant fix the latency if the mobo is cheapen out and connecting an nvme m4 lowers the 2nd pci slot. This can allow you to easily keep upgrading that same pc or get a cheap workstation card with lower bandwitdth and still dont crash and burn as you just dump kv cache and the later weights into it
>>109673647to keep your expectations in check you won't run any sort of reasonable local AI on this. I have a similar setup albeit with 64GB RAM and an Ultra 7 265k, you can expect like 10tk/s on a Q3 or really shitty Q4 quant of Qwen3.8-27B and around 60k context
>>109673610Not really. You should stop at 65535, but it's not worth re-running all those stability tests going from 65111.tREFI values this high usually requires active cooling for the memory sticks (120/140mm fan).tREFI 32767 or 40959 won't require active memory cooling, and you don't lose much performance at these settings vs. 65535.>Why those values?Mostly schizo shit. Multiples of 8192 minus one.The memory array is divided in blocks requiring 8192 refresh cycles to complete a full refresh cycle window.Minus one accounts for zero based indexing
>>109673723alright i adjusted the timings. The previous timings passed 2 hours y-cruncher vt3, so i was fairly confident in it but having a little extra headroom is nice
>>109673623Install the 3090 in the chipset slot and see if it can recognize the video card.Those two server cards don't have video output and the chipset might not know what to do with it.
Talk me out of tapping into my cash savings for this monitor. I'm already kind of pissed because researching and trying to decide between ordering this or the TCL 27C2A means it won't be ready for pickup until Monday, as opposed to Saturday for the weekend where I would have been able to try it in the real world.God damn it.
If I mix a 16GB stick with an identical 32GB stick, will games still perform the same as if I had 2x16?
>>109673827VT3 isn't enough to validate stability.Your system needs to test a variety of memory access patterns.TestMem5: Anta777 Extreme, Absolut, DDR5 Intel, 1usmus v3Prime95: Large FFTOCCT: CPU + RAM test, new DDR5 heat soak, TestMem5 extreme emulation, LinpackKarhu (paywall)Go to the BIOS and confirm there's sane CPU power limits set before you run some of these tests (125W long duration PL1, 159W short duration PL2).
>>109673952I'm on loonix, i can do occt, mprime, memtest86+, stresstestapp and ycruncher though
>>109673952and i set the temperature limit to 80c, self limiting power draw i guess
>>109673304says pro overclocking memory there's no catch
>>109673867Same up for an OLED. Thank me later.
>>109673909i am not into gaming memory use usually maxes at 4.5GB / 16GB (4 thread)
>>109673867>tapping into my cash savingsThen it's probably not worth it, they don't seem to provide firmware updates either.https://www.aoc.com/us/gaming/monitors/u27g4xm#driversAndManuals
>>109673909Performance could be fine if the system doesn't need + reserve over 32GB memory when you're gaming.Article below is a bit old, but it says performance depends whether your motherboard supports asymmetric dual channel mode.https://blog.logicalincrements.com/unevenly-filled-memory-ram-channels/
Right now I have a 12GB 3060, 32GB of DDR5, and an AM5 MoBo.Should I just sell these parts, or could I make more of a profit selling them as a prebuilt.
>>109673294Supposing I want to chase CRT simulation on emulators (4th and 5th gen consoles) instead of AAA whenever I'm not working or general browsing. Acer Nitro XV275K or Dell 27 Plus S2725QS. The latter is within my $320 budget (and may get a discount during Labor Day, hopefully) but the low nits may interfere with the best shaders unless there's a workaround I don't know about. The former is a small ways above my budget but can reach the optimal nits with HDR on. However, reviews on Amazon are spotty ranging from dead pixels to ghosting. Any input from those who use these monitors for both general purpose and emulation (with CRT shaders)?
>>109674199That Acer miniLED might be disappointing anyway.The Dell 120 Hz isn't exactly a fast response time monitor, it's for workstations.Some newer VA monitors might have better response times than the S2725QS.
>>109674245I want the angles to stay as consistent as my ASUS VS239, so VA is out of the question. I have no intention on AAA gaming on the PC. Don't want haloing when emulating (if that's even possible on 16-32 bit stuff) so I'm leaning closer to the Dell despite hearing mediocre feedback on its HDR and low nit count. What ultimately matters is if discounts happen on Labor Day. Same day delivery is also an issue but that's for me to work out.
Retard here. Is there any single definitive RAM stability test? I've gone through five RAM kits in the last couple of months.I had a kit I thought was stable because it passed memtest86 for 10 hours but it was still unstable, and testing with y-cruncher showed it crashing out in ten minutes or less at JEDECI had another kit I thought was stable because I ran memtest86 and y-cruncher for eight hours each on it, but it was still unstable and crashed out under OCCT at JEDECI had ANOTHER kit that was stable on OCCT and y-cruncher but not memtest86Now I'm working with two 2x8gb sets (32gb total), same model, one manufactured in 2018 and one from this month. It's done 3 hours of OCCT, 6 hours of y-cruncher and 9 hours of memtest86 with XMP on and hasn't reported a single error. I just don't fucking trust any of those tests. What do you guys think, is it good enough? Or is there a better test I can be running?
>>109674285>Dell despite hearing mediocre feedback on its HDR and low nit countIt's essentially an SDR monitor. The HDR quality isn't good enough to be used.
>>109674330I suppose anyone here wouldn't know how to tweak the CRT shaders to compensate for the sub-1000 nits? Crazy you have to get such a pricey monitor to make an old game look even older still but God knows I'm not returning to AAA anytime soon. Also note that I'm upgrading from the VS239 so even with its flaws (and budget breaking price) the Acer may prove to be substantial overall. Not like I'm familiar with HDR. Even my TV doesn't have that.
>>109674323>definitive RAM stability testNot that I know of.Run everything.>memtest86>prime95 blend / occt>3dmarkThen drop the speed down a step for a belt-and-braces solution.Don't forget ram needs cooling.
Did anyone get theres?
>>109673304Poor timings and crucial no longer exists
>>109673647Isn’t 9800x3d overkill for a 5070ti?
>>109674323>Is there any single definitive RAM stability test?No. There's too much variety in DRAM read & write behavior.Even 3DMark stress tests managed to expose DRAM timing instability for my system (DRAM -> CPU -> PCIe bus -> VRAM interaction).>I had a kit I thought was stable because it passed memtest86 for 10 hours MemTest86 isn't considered to be stressful enough to catch XMP/EXPO/OC instabilities.This test is used to catch defective memory modules or to move on to other potential sources of instability (CPU, motherboard, poorly inserted memory module, etc)You need to make sure the CPU is 100% stable before you run any stress tests because the CPU is the component that is checking for memory errors (for non-ECC sticks).>It's done 3 hours of OCCT, 6 hours of y-cruncher and 9 hours of memtest86 with XMP on and hasn't reported a single error.>is it good enough? Those 9 hours of Memtest86 unfortunately doesn't mean much.3 hour OCCT + 6 hour y-cruncher depends on the specific tests you ran.If it cycled through all y-cruncher tests for 6 hours, it's okay (not definitive). I'd run VT3 exclusively for 1~2 hours (make sure IMC & SoC related voltages are @ safe levels).Try running OCCT Linpack for 1~2 hours if you can, it can catch some memory instabilities.
>>109674470If you have to perform a bazillion `tests for gazillion hours to captcha a problem is there really an issue with the ram worth worrying about?
>>109673647You might as well get the cheapest 2x16GB DDR5 kit if you're getting an X3D CPU.
updated from 1804 to 2402, is there anything i need to fix? quick google says the refresh mode is different now
>>109674496Practically everything you do on your PC passes through the DRAM.Memory instability can mislead you to blame other parts for driver crashes or BSODs.
https://videocardz.com/newz/breaking-modders-unlock-experimental-nvidia-dlss-5-hours-after-dll-discovery#comment-6926918284Some guy used dlss 5 on cp and said the fps went from 200 ish to 150 so it def suggests an optimized version will be running even on low end nvidia gpus like 5070
>>109674570dlss 5 is just glorified reshade
>>109674377Thanks anon, I'll run prime95 and 3dmark and hopefully after that I might feel less anxious about it>>109674470I've honestly only ben running VT3, I forgot y-cruncher had other tests. Might let it do the full suite for a while>>109674496I feel like my kits are passing a bazillion tests for a gazillion hours and then failing during real-world use. Just lucky I have a control kit that I know works.
>>109674570>Some guy used dlss 5 on cpPretty sure that's illegal.
>>109674093>they don't seem to provide firmware updates either.bruh
>>109674084I can buy a 240Hz 1440p OLED for that same money right now.
Never understood why a monitor needs firmware updates. I can understand a TV because of the gay subscription apps and telemetry
>>109674469is it? a friend suggested me>>109674507those are the cheapest.
>>109674715For game dev you want more than 8 cores. The game standalone assumes you have 8 cores, the editor demands more to run in concurrency.
>>109674704The monitors are developed likely on a tight timeline to get out quick on the market after some chink supplier gives them a panelif they use a miniled tech that maye need more work to be done so the experience is more solid, since a manufacture may not have long history of releasing similar monitors
>>109674704Mini LED monitors are reliant on firmware updates to fix the software algorithms for local dimming.
>>109674695>pays extra for picture quality and motion clarity>refuses to get 50% extra pixelsuse case for 1440p oleds?
>>109674724I honestly can't go further with the cpu selection. something more powerful runs 600€+
>>109674741It's all you need for gaming.
>>109674753def check out the 12 core zen 6 cpus
>>109674753Can't go intel? Some shops are practically giving them away if you buy a motherboard combo.
>>109674760No it's not. Just accept the 50% extra pixels in your life.
>>109674770>Can't go intel? Some shops are practically giving them away if you buy a motherboard combo.No in Italy they aren't, but I've checked. What about a 270K Plus? 24 cores
>>109674790497.6 million pixels per second at 60 frames per second vs 221,184,000 pixels per second at 60 frames per secondif your pixel fillrate in gpu-z is lower than 500gpixels/s then you cannot do 4k
>>109674523going to leave it like this
>>109674861Lower tras to 62, try for 2167 fclk at same or lower vsoc.
>go for amd after years>get new mobo, 9800xd, and ddr5 memory>fresh windows installSo far i have had 5 crashes in two days, all of them related to drivers most likely, according to the dumpfilei did do a ramcheck like i always do when i buy new ram, no issues thereis this the AMD curse?
>>109674830You see kids and third worlders managing 60fps in recent videogames in 4K. No excuses.
>>109673909you're fine nigga>>109674192just sell individually, best locally so you don't have to deal with fees and shipping>>109674415i'm not a zoomer ltt fag>>109674820270K plus has superior single core performance, no 3D cache but you won't really feel the difference unless you do autistic benchmarks for 1% lows
>>109675012you sound like a retard that can't even explain his stability issue.
>>109675017dlss performance is 1080p not 4k
DLSS5 Won and it's not even officially out
>>109674830>if your pixel fillrate in gpu-z is lower than 500gpixels/s then you cannot do 4kAnother AMD W
I can't for the life of me get EXPO or XMP working on this new build. - BIOS on latest version- EXPO DDR5-6000 or XMP DDR5-6000 selected in AsRock DRAM OC profile- Cleared CMOS and tried again- Reseated RAM, tried booting one stick at a time in various slots- Verified RAM is on the AsRock mobo QVL listOne notable thing is that I got one stick in one slot to boot with 6000 MT/s once and only once. All other times it just falls back to 4800 speeds. Any ideas? The VDDCR_SOC value is set to 1.20V when I select the EXPO profile where the RAM is listed as 1.25V, but even manually changing that to the correct value seems to have no effect.
>>109675012AMD is trash
>>109675107well what mobo and ram is it did you check the qvl that shit matters a lot for shitty ass sensitive ddr5 and am5
>>109675107I've never used an AssRock motherboard before, but most BIOS have a way to set your RAM to whatever speed you want. If you can't get the preset profile to work, but find the RAM speed setting in the BIOS and set it to 6000.
>>1096750574K with DLSS perf is unironically better than 1440p native.
>>109675157damn right it is "native" is just TAA TRASH now DLSS destroys it
>>109675143AsRock B850M Pro-A Wi-FiT-Force Vulcan DDR5 6000 CL38-38-38-78 1.25V 2x8 GB (16 GB)Yeah I checked the QVL and it's there. I contacted AsRock support and so far they're just telling me my Ryzen 5 8600G doesn't support 6000 but isn't that the whole point of XMP/EXPO?>>109675155The profile sets it to 6000 so manually selecting 6000 is the same thing. It always falls back to 4800.
>>109675206>The profile sets it to 6000 so manually selecting 6000 is the same thing. It always falls back to 4800.You're clearly missing the point. There could be something wrong with the preset profile itself. Which is why you should try setting it manually.It takes 2 seconds to do, and it will tell you if the problem is the RAM itself, or the presets.
>>109673490>cl30 6000 team group kit at 8000 1.45v 42-56-56-49 trfc 700 trfcb 680 trefi 65111 trrd 8 trrdl 12 tfaw 24now you need to tune the tertiarieskeep in mind these are weird on arrow lake, something about having to be multiples of 8 for best performanceintel MLC gives very consistent latency and bandwidth numbers on linux, use this to see if your bandwidth is regressing or improving>>109674323i think we could have ruled out the RAM sticks after the 3rd or maybe 4th kit>>109675107try refresh mode set to normalcan't tell you what menu it's in but it should exist on the latest BIOS
>>109675107>>1096752068600g runs upwards of ddr5 10000 in gear2I'd chall it up to the ram using mystery meat x16 chips
>>109675234Okay I just selected 6000 with no other settings changes and still nothing. Did you mean for me to manually apply each and every setting within the XMP profile manually? >>109675243I'll try that. >>109675254Yeah my concern is that they're cutting corners with the RAM crisis and I got shorted. The one single boot getting 6000 was very odd.
>>109675107i use a cheap b650 board with a 7th gen x3d chip and that boots 6000mhz just fine never had it reset
>>109674977Ty bro I'll give it a shot. Where did you obtain your memory oc knowledge?
>>109675243Regarding the refresh mode, seems like they might have removed that after BIO 4.10https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/technologies-explained/amd-am5-memory-refresh-update-bank-refresh-mode-explained/ba-p/1135076I'm not really sure what this means but I can't find the refresh mode you're talking about and I think they removed it for whatever reason.
>>109675355i don't see any indication that the option has been removedbut maybe asrock doesn't expose itcheck under: Advanced/AMD CBS/UMC Common Options/DDR Options/DDR Memory Features/Bank Refresh Mode>I'm not really sure what this meanssome EXPO kits had misconfigured refresh timings that stopped booting after this option was addedbut if you got it to boot once then idk
>>109675243>i think we could have ruled out the RAM sticks after the 3rd or maybe 4th kiti wish>bought 16gb kit (kit 1) in 2018>bought another 16gb kit (kit 2) in 2022>one stick in kit 2 failed in 2024, too expensive to RMA it>bought 64gb kit (kit 3) instead>kit 3 failed in june>since i'm already RMAing kit 3 it makes sense to RMA kit 2 as well>back to using kit 1 while the RMA processes, no issues>manufacturer sends me a replacement 16gb kit (kit 4) and replacement 64gb kit (kit 5)>install kit 5, issues from day one, pull it and start another RMA>back to using kit 1 while the RMA processes, no issues>install kit 4 next to it, no issues so far (but it's only bee a couple of days)tl;dr it's the RAM
>>109675409it's definitely your CPU if you're failing several hours into a stress test with five different kitsor your motherboard likes to kill RAM sticks
>>109675421What makes my 2018 kit immune to whatever's killing the rest of them?
you know it's grim when most of the latest builds on pcpartpicker are AM4 and 9600X ONES
>>109675012Disabling [Memory Context Restore] and [Power Down Enable] in memory tuning tab may improve system stability at the cost of longer boot times.If [Memory Context Restore] is left on, [Power Down Enable] needs to be on as well.
>>109674323sounds like you are using the wrong timings or voltages on your cpu. no way 5 ram kits are unstable at their rated speeds.
>>109674199The g-sync pulasr monitors are supposed to be the best in terms of crt emulation if (you) can handle the flicker.
Lmao, I'd be seething if I were MSI or Newegg.Arrow Lake platform is so unpopular, they have to discount an XOC board to $300.>$300 Z890 Unify X>$200 270KKind of tempted just to mess around with OCing.
>>109674323ram doesnt just fail at such high rates like thateither your cpu's memory controller is iffy or your board's vrms are not supplying the correct voltages and killing your ram sticks one by one
>>109674415This shit cost the same as a snap-on. top kek. https://shop.snapon.com/product/Ratcheting-Screwdrivers-(Blue-Point)/6-Bit-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Blue-Point)/BSGDMR6
>>109675541i think that's the bottomit'll only go up from here, not that you'll make much selling it used when novalake drops and memoryholes arrowlake
>>109675541
>>109675107quit being a little bitch and put the timings in manually.
>>109674415>>109675546both are a scam.
>>109675012my system is completely stable; something is wrong on your end. make sure you have the amd chipset drivers installed.
>>109675536>flickerThanks for the alternative suggestion, but that's well and truly above my budget. My weekly pay even according to some search results. That, and I'm want to treat flickering as a faulty unit.
>>109675261I've only got 2 recommendations for youEither switch to a different motherboard brand (i.e. asus/msi) that supports those weird ass x16 memory chips properly, or pay money for any standard 2x16gb kit rated for 6000cl30 where support is guaranteed
>>109675541God I hope youtubers shit on Nova Lake too so I can it cheap
>>109675307Overclocker forums and trial & error
>>109675568i ran windows for like a year on my 7800x3d without chipset drivers (didn't know that they existed)my old 3700x pc also never had them installed (ran just fine)
>>1096755283 kits are unstable, one is good, one I'm currently testing>>109675542I've also tried 3 cpus and two motherboards. It's the RAM
>>109675596Update your BIOS one of them specifically addresses 9000 series crashing or rollback because some have garbage memory related tuning related to CXMT.
>>109675281>>109675395>>109675579>>109675254So new development, I pulled my 1x16 GB Klevv RAM from my old B650 system (thanks for the reminder, anon) and its EXPO profile boots to 6000 MT/s ezpz. Does this just mean I got bogus RAM?
>>109675621>>109675620
>>109675541Should I buy those parts? I have a Hynix A die DDR5 kit, I'll get at least $300 from selling my current CPU & motherboard.
>>109675568if it crashes again i will do a fresh windows reinstalli used a external hdd to install windows, but that hdd is about 20 years old and gave up halfway through
>>109673867160 hz ips is just going to be a blurfest and 1080p at 27" is a meme.
>>109675639Yes you get 24 cores for less money than AMDs 8 cores
sticking with AMD despite the recent narrative shift
>>109675640you know you can check the integrity of the windows install using powershell commands.
>>109675651userbenchmark bros....
>>109675621AsRock Support gave me something after I continued pressing and I can't tell if they're trolling me or not. This is what they said:1) Go to BIOS/OC Tweaker to enable EXPO or XMP profile.2) Go to BIOS/OC Tweaker to set [DRAM Voltage] to [1.4V].3 Go to BIOS/OC Tweaker/DRAM Configuration to loss (sic) the primary DRAM timing a little bit to try.For example;if your tCL tRCRDRD tRCDWR tRP tRAS is 16-18-18-18-36; please adjust it to 18-20-20-20-42 to try. if your tCL tRCRDRD tRCDWR tRP tRAS is 18-22-22-22-42; please adjust it to 20-24-24-24-48 to try. 4) Press [F10] to save the settings. Isn't 1.4V like way too much?
>>1096756218gb sticks are using memory chips that are connected to a 16 bit lane instead of the usual 8 bits per chipbecause its physically different, the motherboard's bios has to have preset settings for the ram and if it's not programmed properly, it will not be able to initialize and run that ram at high speeds or low timings. and 8gb chips are fairly niche up until the ramageddon so there's a higher chance for it to be poorly supported by board vendors whereas 2x16gb 6000cl30 has been the bog standard performance tier ram since 2022 and support for it is already pretty stable
>>109675652>>109675640DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealthDISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealthsfc /scannow
>>109675692I mean the specific RAM sticks I got are on the mobo QVL at the advertised 6000 speed, doesn't that mean they're supported?
>>109675734it's about whether you trust asrock's words over your own experience or not
>>109675685So selecting the EXPO profile for 5600 gets that no problem.
>>109675685any mobo support will tell everyone to run loose timings when they have ram issues.its likely you need to update or rollback.
>>109675734QVLs are BSIts practically another avenue of marketing with no transparency on how they tested or the results of their testing
>>109675824>>109675848Okay yeah further research suggests other users reported memory instability after updating BIOS which had impacts on voltage settings from what I understand. I might rollback but I suppose I could also just wait for a patch?I was curious about their QVL testing and if they could provide any specifications outside their EXPO Profile or how many batches they tested...
>>109674820That person suggesting Intel to you is almost certainly pointing you in the direction of the 270K. It IS the many-cores value king at the moment. If you can't wait for Nova Lake and will hold it for 6 years then I doubt the "dead platform can't upgrade" will ever matter to you (or for most consumers really).
Think it's worth getting a Noctua AIO and a carbon sheet because you can just keep reusing it?
>>109676158The AIO won’t last forever.Noctua AIO costs so much, you’re getting very close to affordable custom liquid cooling options.
>>109676158>carbon sheetPaste is simple enough.Might be worth if swapping out cpus multiple times a day.Graphene and carbon fiber pad tears easily.(Carbon nanotube pad by carbice are stronger.. according to google.)
>>109675890It’s also the singled threaded king. AMD’s only advantage is x3d which is only useful with a high end GPU running 1080p or very specialized games like Factorio.Next gen will be really interesting because intel is adding a better implementation of x3d (but way more expensive) and apx while zen 6 is supposedly fixing their memory controller and latency issues and running at higher clock speeds
happy to announce I finally sold my old monitor locally. I think it took 2 weeks for it to sell. Now I need either a 600hz 1440p or a 360 hz 4k 27" panel to upgrade to in the future.Oh, and when do you think there will be a an i1 display calibration correction file for the msi 360hz ultrawide panel?
>>109676451Most people are running 1080p or lower resolutions on their 5070ti-5090. All it takes is using dlss quality at 1440p and you're effectively running 960p then
>>109676464But that’s not running 1080p as there’s still overhead for DLSS slowing things down. X3d is mostly useless if you’re not trying for ultra high frame rates - just when it is useful for specific games, it is a big difference
>>109676542Well, it makes a difference for 1% lows
>>109675568>amd chipset driversfuck I thought ryzen master handled that
dlss5 looks fun, nvidia won againeven if they don't end up using it, people will pay premium for option to turn it on and off for 5 seconds to try it
>>109675648I just want a 4K monitor I can do everything with, day and night.
>>109674830>your pixel fillrate in gpu-z is lower than 500gpixels/s then you cannot do 4kSo not even a 5090 can do 4k according to this, lmao
>5070>Prompting and watching videos >screen starts to goes black any time I do something before coming back>no hardware error reports or events on windows >Goes away on reboot Ruh ROH Unstable overclock or bad driver?
>>109677005check your 12vhpwr cable
What were you playing in 2006?>World of Warcraft>Diablo>Republic Commando>Doom 3 was originally designed to run at 640x480 at 30 FPS>Morrowind was struggling to run at 30 FPS>It was either 1024x768 OR 1280x1024, and people would argue 4:3 vs 5:4 all day long. >Intel Pentium or AMD Athlon >So many PC games that are worse than console versions>Controller support on windows was horrible
Im glad the dlss 5 vids are out now because people were truly deranged about it when nvidia announced it.Full on anti-datacenter doomerism and not understanding how anything works.When you just look at a gameplay video where the guy moves some sliders around and it looks great its harder to keep the crazy going.
Anyone else investing in RAM? I drop $1000 a month on it.
Just a quick reminder PS5 has a huge advantage of fixed/standard hardware that the game can be specifically optimized for. Game devs know the exact specs of the PS5 so can code and optimise specifically for the hardware. For the PC they have to code a general version which works on a potato PC and many other variations so it cant be coded anywhere near as efficiently
>>109677221You're supposed to deliver these shill lines when the console is new, not when it's at end-of-life.
>>109677221this forum is 18+
>>109677221>30fps>Huge benefit
If gamers are mostly using 9800X3D and 50 series GPU then wouldn't it be easier to optimize for?
>>109677253>"optimize">Looks inside>"Lock fps to 30"much wow
>>109677254The old approach has been "lets just upscale from 540p using the magic of fsr2" which resulted in diarrhea output30 fps makes more sense if you care about image quality
>>109677262>The old approach has been "lets just upscale from 540p using the magic of fsr2"1280x1024 was the most common resolution when Crysis released if you are talking about old approaches
Watch PCMR be mad that GTA6 won't run on their RTX 2060 lol
>>109677283Last I heard the sub was full of 3rdie teens being sour grapes about dlss 5idk why youd bring it up here
You now remember when Direct X 8.1 on PC being worse than on OG Xbox
>>109677283did they announce a pc version? if it can run on a ps5 it can run on a 2060
>>109677254>>109677262Dev issue
If I pay the outrageous price for a used 3090, how likely is it it will simply die on me a couple months down the line? Those things are years old at this point and probably most are pulled from miner rigs
>>109673294if anyone plans on overclocking their ram I can vouch for using windows to go on a thumb drive (unless you're proficient with linux, because as you can imagine read and write speeds were pretty shit and a lighter os would be better)specifically I used windows 10 ltsc iot from massgrave, and rufus, which gives you the option to just select "windows to go" in the boot selection menu and that's itI read from here and reddit that microsoft dropped support and I might encouter problems, but I didn't get any. maybe enterprise windows is better in that regardI had internet connectivity disabled from start up so windows update wouldn't bother me, and just installed whatever files I needed on my phone and transfered them over to windows with a usb cablegot my ram from cl22 3200 to cl18 3666 and I'm going to see if I can get a little more out of it soon
>>109677344>If I pay the outrageous price for a used 3090, how likely is it it will simply die on me a couple months down the line? Those things are years old at this point and probably most are pulled from miner rigsYou would be better to get a 4090. The current power levels are>5090>4090>5080>7900 XTX>5070 Ti or 9070 XT
>>1096773564090 is double the price of a used 3090
>>109677344Depends on the modelEVGA has bad soldering and controllers while gigabyte 3090s have a bad vrm power phase that will blow up in time. Asus and MSI 3090s are the safest buys and should be relatively reliable
>>109677316It is supposedly the most expensive game ever made, and made by Rockstar. Sony will sell PS5s for the next GTA. They're going to target PS5 because they want it to just work without troubleshooting, driver issues, Steam Deck, etcGTA target platforms>GTA3>Vice City>San AndreasPS2>GTA4Xbox 360>GTA5PS3 / PS4 / PS5>GTA6PS5
512mb DDR3 btw
In all my years of pc building and upgrading I've wasted thousands of dollars in making unnecessary, incremental, improvements that didn't make a huge difference to my user experience.Now I'm inclined to build a machine with a 10+ year lifetime in mind. This means paying a little bit more for higher specced and premium brands.
I bought a modded 3080 20GB from China which arrived today, it says it's 20GB in the computer specs, and it's about 3x faster than my 2060 12GB for basic image gen when not VRAM limited, but for some reason models which took around 11GB on my 2060 now take 19GB on my 3080 per Task Manager. How do I confirm I'm not a victim of some kind of Chinese BIOS tampering displaying 12GB as 20GB?
>>109677428>I've wasted thousands of dollars in making unnecessary, incremental, improvements that didn't make a huge difference to my user experienceLike what?
>>1096774289950x3d2Rtx5090/6000 pro2x64gb 6000cl32 ramX870E glacial
>>109677141Why would the 12VHPWR cable be the issue if it was plugged in nice and tight with an audible click, while the GPU uses 110-130W?
>>109677429Found vulan_memtest, seems fine I guess, memory bandwidth seems 100GB/s slower than theoretical expected but not sure if that means anything
>>109677445based. if i had to again i wouldnt get dual rank rams THO.
>>109677445I returned my glacial and got a 2006 instead as it suits me better
honestly think ddr6 will be pushed out faster than people realize because ddr5 is simply bad for AI stuffI had hopes they would improve ddr5 further in these last generations so maybe a zen 7 system would be worth upgrading to, but nah, ddr5 is just a dead end, I'll stick with am4 until am6 and ddr6, probably second gen am6 will be worth it price to performance, gen 1 will be stupidly expensive like zen 4 launch was
>>109677534it's about 20% slower than my 3090 24gb running at stock 390w and 19.5gbps memoryseems its within 10% of the expected performance for having less bandwidth and cores
>>109677663if that happens, it'll only be for serversthe next 2-3 amd/intel generations for consumers are already locked in for ddr5
>>109677682Thanks, good to know. I never in my life have bought used let alone modded computer components, so a little paranoid, things being what they are I might do it more often in the future.
>>109677693I think they'll push ai to run on consumer computers asap because they have to make everyone addicted to using AI for everything all the time for free so they can rug pull everyone and start charging for it and pay back the ai capexbut yeah, I dont expect am6 until 2031
>>1096756851.4v is fine, there are many xmp profiles that do 1.45v
In case of brand new i9 14900kf, Is it necessary to manually set voltage even after updating to microcode bios update and on default intel setting?
>>109677882probably should
Nicotroon go away
>>109677523AMD users are just very used to their cards spontaneously not working and think that applies to other GPU manufacturers too.
>>109673304This is what I have. Got 2x16 for free with my CPU+Motherboard combo at microcenter. Gets the job done, I still can't believe these RAM prices.
Stop shitting this thread anon
>>109677428the only logical time to upgrade is every major new gpu release which is like every 3 years or however maybe even longer now a daysnot only because you don't want your 5090 gpu to die in that time frame and run out of warranyt or so long it loses all it's valueto the next gpu release it would have at minimum held same price or double in price (see all past 90 series gpus recently, see 5090 price)so every gpu upgrade should be near free or maybe even free and platform upgrades only upgrading cpu until next major platform swap when your cpu is starting to get that old make sensethis hobby should be near free in all reality if you do thisdisplay wise at worst you you have to wait several years before anything crazy happens too sooled tv for hdrmonitor for high hzbut now is the worst possible time of course
uh oh, someone is not going to like this truth bomb
>>109677999the cpu bottleneck.. the poorfaggers final bastion of cope
>>109677999Nice, it goes into my cherry picked performance graph folder.
>>109677999Wait, the 7900 XTX is the best AMD GPU money can buy?
is this the new timey wimey thread?
>>109677429>buying a GPU from ChinaYou're a braver man than me
>>109678041Yes but it has terrible build quality
>4chan ip ranges me if I post on my new pcoh come on, but oh wellafter a month+ of troubleshoot, my pc is up and running, it was in the end a ram compatibility issue, its too late so I didn't do much, but stellar blade steam demo ran great at 120+fps 1440p and 90~ fps on 4k,on linux, I guess I should stay on 1440p for temps and stuff, thanks for all the helpalso some people suggested to undervolt the 9070xt, so uh why?thanks in advance need to hit the bed
>>109677417>all baked textures and lighting that do 99% of the heavy lifting in a static environmentNo shit it is basically free. It's not impressive anymore than the people posting their Source Engine maps.
>>109677344I had this dilemma in December 2025 and got cold feet at the last minute.
HDRless 1440p OLED now crossing below $350 in my 23% VAT shithole. 240Hz HDR-400 OLED now $400.
>>109678032If you have a folder full of "cherrypicked" graphs, is it reeally cherrypicked?
>>109678259Yes, because I picked them specifically for that reason.
>>109678233Eurofags will never get the good monitors.
Why is the Kingston RAM youtube page seemingly run by this one woman making videos on anything she wants? Are they paying her for this?
>>109673294>AUDIOthoughts on using Boston A60 speakers? should I get a Toppings D10 dac?
>>109677200They are still acting deranged this the youtubers especially and acting like it's changing entire characters
ASUS or MSI?Heard Gigabyte bad for trying to build a linux system for some reason Is ASRock still to avoid?
>>109677344I wouldn't buy a 3090 right now Whatever money you have save more for a 4090 or 5090
>>109678500Never get MSI if you want a warranty that is actually worthwhile. I sent a MSI mobo in for warranty which was having boot issues and they declined the warranty due to a completely unrelated issue >bent front audio pin
>>109677410>>>GTA5>PS3 / PS4 / PS5look at this shit skyrim even worse that shit is available on nintendo switch
>>109677428>I'm inclined to build a machine with a 10+ year lifetime in mind. This means paying a little bit more for higher specced and premium brands.Isn't this how everyone builds? After my first build I realized this. I just went from a 2500k to a 270k. If it doesn't last another 10 years I'm nuking Israel.
>>109677428that's what poorfagging gets you PC gaming is one of the rare hobbies where the highest end is NOT that expensive especially compared to other hobbies. You go all out once and then you're good for 5-10 years with a couple GPU upgrades in between
>>109678473The videos are less than 5 minutes each they are glorified tech quickies like Linus does on the side.
If I don't care about speed, how bad is it really to seat different RAM in different paired slots? I have a corsair 2x32GB ddr5 6000 CL30 kit on my machine right now, and I found a kit of gskill 2x16GB ddr5 6000 CL32 in my basement that I apparently bought at some point. Is there anyway to benchmark potential long term instability?
>>109677005Could be unstable OC, but the driver usually crashes.>>109677221GTA6 isn't a PlayStation exclusive, the entire game (including online) is built to be playable on the Xbox Series S.>>109677429Probably the cause of not having official driver support for that modded card.>>109677882Dig through the BIOS' CPU tuning option, and find the [IA VR Voltage Limit] or similarly worded CPU voltage limiter.Set the limit between 1.4~1.45V (lower is safer, 1.45V if you want as close to stock performance).>>109678155>also some people suggested to undervolt the 9070xt, so uh why?Helps the card run cooler & quieter while retaining most of the performance you paid for if you do it right.
>>109678233all oled monitors are hdrless, buy a tv
>>109678500Assus is good as long as you don't have to deal with their warranty
>>109678500for a long time now, its just been a tossup between MSI and Asus, gigabyte and assrock are shit-tier now.Bear in mind, motherboards have amongst the highest DOA + failure rates of all pc components, warranty fucking matters, i have had more motherboards fail me than work on arrival, and i have never had another component ever fail me, except 1 set of RAM that wasn't compatible with AM1 Ryzen, and an amd cpu i fucked up the pins on, entirely my fault.>>109678517i have returned every dodgy motherboard i ever bought to the pc store i bought them from without issue, just the delay in shipping them off when the local tech nerd at the support desk couldn't get them working.
>>109678517ASUS is stingy with warranty too so pick your poison
>>109677428please inform every poorfag who wants to piss away money on the bottom of the barrel, latest pc components that this is a poor way to maintain a membership in the masterrace.Glad you learnt from your mistakes anon, being a poorfag can be expensive.
>>109673294>HDR: discounted OLED>High-End: wait for 2027 OLED releasesWhat's happening in 2027? And I thought QD OLEDs were good now?
>>109678717>Bear in mind, motherboards have amongst the highest DOA + failure rates of all pc components, warranty fucking matters, i have had more motherboards fail me than work on arrival,>i have had more motherboards fail me than work on arrival, Unironically that sounds like a YOUR problem if you have such a rate of mobos dead out of the box
>>109677005i used to have a dogshit Acer monitor start blacking out randomly for 2 seconds whenever i was gaming, like once every 5-10 minutes, the pc was fine, nothing was wrong with the game, i just lose visual display for 2 seconds then it comes back like nothing happened.It was the monitor, i replaced alot of components with fixing it, maybe its your monitor, but if it is, it should only do that when you're doing something specific, like me playing games at 144fps.
>>109675639I mean, it's 9950x multicore perf for $300, you can't beat that.
>>109678233>HDRless 1440p OLEDThought you were bullshitting, but that monitor doesn't have TrueBlack 400 certification.It's also a matte panel with 200 nits maximum SDR brightness (pass).>>109678473Kingston's probably hired her as a marketing employee + content creator to improve online brand exposure.>>109678591>2x32GB ddr5 6000 CL30>2x16GB ddr5 6000 CL32You're most likely going to waste a lot of time trying to find higher than JEDEC speed & timings that works for all those sticks with worse performance than 6000 CL30.There won't be much benefit since the 16GB modules will set the performance bottleneck.That memory config will run fastest when the system doesn't require over 4x 16GB DRAM (utilized + allocated).Reasons explained >>109674150You should only add those sticks when you actually need over 64GB DRAM.
>>109677205you're investing in the later arc of the ram bubble. You best be actually buying ram stocks though, not physical ram, scalping ram sticks and hoping to make a profit at this point isn't smart.
>>109678539I remember hearing "i5 is enough for gaming" for years and I've seen enough 9600x builds to know poorfags still gonna poor
>>109678737with more people buying OLED more notice how flawed the technology is even beyond burn in. crappy greyscale, text issues, blue tint, VRR flicker. Doesn't matter whether it's WOLED or QD OLEDs they all have some issues just like every display technology ever. Likewise they hype now up the upcoming releases pretending the existing ones were always flawed and the next gen will totally fix it.
>>109678500MSIASUS is overpriced as FUCKYou can get a Tomahawk for as low as $250 and have all the features and specs ASUS offers you for $600ASUS is niggercattle brand
>>109678737>What's happening in 2027?New stripe RGB QD-OLED panels with higher maximum brightness (350 nits minimum full screen SDR brightness).That 350 nits brightness figure is the minimum requirement. Most of these new panels could reach 400 nits, which invalidates "OLED isn't as bright as my edge lit LCD" takes.https://global.samsungdisplay.com/31456https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-new-odyssey-lineup-for-fast-paced-gaming-at-gamescom-2026https://displayhdr.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/DisplayHDR_Chart_2026-July_Full_Table.pdf
>>109678762>ram timingsOh thanks I should have checked the thread. I'm looking for a bit more to run the new qwen MoE model, but maybe my best bet is to just resell both kits and buy two identical 2x32 kits with the proceeds.
>>109678753Its actually worse than that, 2 of the motherboards that didn't fail on me, had weird problems too. Like the AM1 Asus rog i had, b350-F, half of the sata ports were DOA, sure, there was 8x of them, so it didn't matter, but it was weird that half were dead. Otherwise it worked great, no complaints. The MSI x570 tomahawk had an audio problem i was never able to solve, i could use a headset with a mic no problem, everything worked out of the box, i went through multiple headsets over the years aswell, all worked great. But i could NEVER get a set of speakers or a tower speaker to output audio. I could adjust the settings and test until the cows came home, nothing worked, every system on the pc, every driver, said the speakers would be connected and working, but zero audio came out.same speakers on my x870 tomahawk work fine, out of the box. That was the warranty one as the first x870 tomahawk i got wouldn't flash and wouldn't boot. The pc tech guy couldn't get it to flash or boot either. Second one was a warranty-repair one, but it worked fine and does to this day.Sure, for some of them it was me stuffing up the ram settings, and the mobo refusing to boot afterwards, but i wasn't referring to myself, i've heard of more stories about bugged, faulty or outright broken/DOA mobos than i do other pc components, the only exceptions being 5090s and their shitty 12-slot psu connectors.
>>109677428>>109678542Honestly it's luck of the draw for anything to make it 10 years.Especially for things like motherboards and GPUs.You can pay more but even the manufacturer isn't willing to warrant the literal highest-end board a femtosecond longer compared to the most bottom barrel board they sell."Long term build" in my opinion is treating certain components as disposable no matter how much you pay for them initially. My NAS has an entire spare Mobo even though it's already a server motherboard that should be reliable. Same with PSU. If it goes out I have a pin compatible one already I can just plug in.You have no idea if you'll be able to buy the same components years down the line.With my main PC, even tho it's custom water cooled, board swaps should be like 30 min with the way I'm going to have it set up with most of that time just moving the block/CPU/RAM. I do have a spare mobo already but it's likely I'll upgrade before the mobo becomes a problem.
>>109678820>I'm looking for a bit more to run the new qwen MoE model, but maybe my best bet is to just resell both kits and buy two identical 2x32 kits with the proceeds.Test the performance of all four sticks at stock settings, see if you can tolerate the speed before you go through the hassle of selling them.I'd set the 2x32GB sticks in A2/B2, the 2x16GB in A1/B1.>buy two identical 2x32 kits with the proceeds.Probably not worth the added cost.
>>109675639Yes, these deals don't last forever and once they're gone, they're gone
>>109678820Get 2x48gb or 2x64gbIt's not worth mixing two dual rank kits and fucking around with stability
>>109678823You mean USB headsets? Sounds like your codec had issues. The ones on x870 boards tend to suck ass at least on ASUS.
>>109678844Yeah true I might as well test it out, the packaging is resealable so if I resell no one's going to believe it's unopened anyway.>>109678883Is it that bad even with identical kits? I guess I can't be sure the lot is the same, but assuming I don't max out the timings what is expected to go wrong here?
>>109678924The worst that can happen is the fastest ram stick(s) becomes bottlenecked to the slowest stick. As in cl30 now becomes cl32.
>>109673294I haven't been here in a few years, how is PC Building holding up in the face of the price apocalypse?
>>109678963Oh I see, I thought you were saying to expect instability if I buy two 2x32 kits of the same model which would be news to me. Yeah I am iffy on the original idea as well but in the end one in the pocket is worth two in the bush or something like that
>>1096789244 stick compatibility varies a lot by board vendor firmwareYou might be able to get 6000mhz working on one board but another will shit it's pants above 4800mhz. It's a gamble.
>>109678780>crappy greyscalewoled>text issuessubpixels>blue tintwoled>VRR flickergame monitor hardware dependent>>109678814>could reach 400 nits, which invalidates "OLED isn't as bright as my edge lit LCD" takes.oled appear way brighter, not the same as an lcdbnut the hdr will still be ass!
>>109678967people who can't save $2k are crying, that's about it. but considering pc gaming is driven by kids, you can just bet game requirements will stagnate for a couple of years.
>>109678967nows the best time to platform upgradenows the worst time to pcie upgrade
>>109678764>you're investing in the later arc of the ram bubbleBro this shit is going on for years and isn't getting better any time soon
>>109679215They are running out of money and their executives are jumping off the ship. Everyone is clearly looking for the offramp this is not likely making it past '27
>>109678643STOP TELLING ME TO BUY A TELEVISION YOU FU
>>109679283he's right though gamers are cattle that don't know what a good display looks like
>>109679283buy qd oled. doesnt matter if its tv or monitor. qd oled looks like a window to reality.
>>109678814Those fifth-gen panels are already out with other manufacturers.
>3800mhz>run testmem5>bsod within 10 seconds>3733mhz>run testmem5>3 cycles completed without a single errorwtf
>>109679248Doubt it, the White House is still throwing free money at them. Even if the bubble pops next year, it's not like the market will suddenly be flooded with cheap RAM. Server RAM is useless for consumers.
>>109679377>lower ram speed more stable than higher ram speedSTOP THE FUCKING PRESSES
>>109679338The stripe RGB QD-OLED monitors available today don't meet the TB600 certification, it's 500 at best and in ultrawide resolution.
>>109679408because 67mhz making such a drastic difference is so intuitive, you fucking retard
>>109679215?they're going to build their data centers and then they will shift supply back to consumer.
>>109679461fucking retard stop tinkering in your bios before you brick your shit.
>>109679461Stability dropoff is exponential, not linear.
>>109679486lololol triggeredmy precious thumb drive and portable windows install whatever will I do???
>>109679533>I'm only pretending to be retarded guys>huehue y r u mad
>>109679559that is a good question. why ARE you so angry? why was your immediate reaction to my post to seethe and writhe? do you need to dilate?
when are new gpus coming out rdna4 and blackwell were so underwhelming
>>109679584end of 2027, with the consoles.
>>109679621BORING
>>109679584End of next year hopefullyAnd we're only getting rdna5 and a 5090ti 800w housefire edition for Nvidia to cope
>>109679283if you want hdr you should
>>109679654>$4100 for a disposable screenwew lad
>>109679584AMD will be the first consumer GPU to support DirectX 13.
>>109679653but dlss5!
>>109679654who wants hdr though?everybody wants high refresh rate, and no motion blur.
>>109679396In case you haven't noticed, US treasury bond yields are going up. The money will stop flowing.>>109679307A TV is for people who settle for less. People on VR get 3000x3000 pixels on each eye.
>>109679665>$1000 for teeeveeeasians and indians are becoming inefficient.
>>109679676Look what it did to my waifu...
>>109678901the headsets and speakers were all usb, although i used analogue headsets a few times aswell with no issues. It was exclusively any speaker-system i connected to it.I tried -everything- short of buying 5x different speaker systems and plugging them in consecutively. 2 sets were more than enough.
>>109679215thats what everyone says about every bubble anon.
>>109679533>>109679580nobody building a pc for the first time listen to a word this clown writes, he will just potentially cost you a lot of money, or many hours of troubleshooting from boot-problems.>>109679725being a FF7 fanboy is a mental disorder i swear. Nowhere near the mental disorder level of things like Pokefags or sonic furfags, but still. That being said, fucking YIKES, she looks awful.
>>109679725I can't even tell if that's a cosplayer or a screenshot from the game.
>>109679725That texture could be useful in Quake 1 :^)
>>109679477Did you miss one of the three RAM manufacturers announcing they were permanently pulling out of the consumer market or something?
>>109679849Real people don't have those disproportionately large eyes, the face shape is unnatural too.
>>109677005that has been an issue at least since 3000 series (had this issue at work with my notebook). one of my three screens would just turn off and then on again for no reason what so ever. i think hardware unboxed also had the same issue with his 4090 on his tripple 4k monitor setup.
>>109679748Anon, the 90s tech bubble lasted for 2 years longer than the current AI bubble and didn't have anywhere close to the same level of demand.
>>109678190>all baked textures and lighting that do 99% of the heavy lifting in a static environmentmost games are mostly static environments but end up using all the dynamic shit which brings performance down which is just a waste in most cases. cope and seethe.
>>109679918nigga hasn't seen a woman in a few years of not going outside. cut him some slack.
>>109679930Anon, the amount of people using computing devices and the internet kinda went up by an order of magnitude since the late 90s.
Do mobos for gaming CPUs really need 16 or 18 power phases VRM lmao
>>109679901yes, and why would their words matter?
>>109680057maybe
>>109680057If you're using a 14900k, maybe.
>>109680057how much you want to overclock?If you are not overclocking anything more than 12 is overkill
>>109679727USB speakers and headsets have their own driver. They dont go through the codec this wasn't necessarily the motherboards fault unless the USB slots didn't work
>>109678967oh, things are terrible, if I want to upgrade my $110 32GB RAM to 64GB I need about $1200.
>>109680101why would they lie?
what is with these companies refusing to send back warrantied drives that are dead already what the value in keeping them
>>109680210to analyze the failure and to recover your cp and report you to the authorities.
>>109680185Things can change on a dime.The funny thing about the Crucial announcement is they aren't actually pulling out the consumer market, they pulled out the RETAIL market, but people hear what they want to hear.
>>109680228https://investors.micron.com/news/press-release/2025/Micron-Announces-Exit-from-Crucial-Consumer-Business-12-03-2025/default.aspxwhat
>>109680185Any company selling products with inelastic demand will lie, buddy.
>>109679665A 77" is like 3k tops on saleA 55 or 65 s95 s90 can be had for 800-900 bucksA pg32ucdm3 is more than thatAll electronics are disposable LCD too >>109679689Eveyrbd wants brightness too If you wanna brute force 500fps then it's a different thing You also get a tinier screen
>>109680057Not really, but they gotta justify those $1K motherboards somehow.
>>109680253Do you not understand what Crucial is?Crucial is very specifically the retail segment of business where they sell DIMMs directly to consumers.However this does not include Micron products (DIMMs or modules) sold to OEMs which produce consumer systems or modules sold to other DIMM vendors like Corsair, G.skill, etc. If Micron is not in the "consumer" business then basically no one is as you can't buy Samsung or Sk Hynix DIMMs directly and get warranty support as an end user.
there's no justifying how much 32" OLED monitors cost no I don't care if it can do 240Hz when a 42" OLED TV costs less and does 120Hz and looks way better
>>109680057No.https://cultists.network/9590/modern-vrms-are-stupid/If you want to nerd out about VRMs, use the AM5 motherboard spreadsheet and find the VRM column.1 high / 1 low VRM configs tend to be less efficient (higher resistance) and generate more heat. They're fine for low to moderate current loads.Those should still be fine for gaming on a single CCD X3D CPU, but I'd buy one with a VRM heatsink.
Wake me up when there's 6K 32" 240Hz miniled panels available for under 1000€.
>>109680374it's funny when you look at server motherboard that runs CPU chugging down 400W 24/7 and the VRM is shit like 6 power phase and no heatsink
>>109680356>i don't care about latency on my screen and i like my screen spying on me and forcing pointless software shit onto me everytime i turn it on.
I think ram is way too cheap. Why do indians have computers?
>>109680400servers boards have much higher quality vram components that generate a lot less heatthey are also rated to run at higher temperatures for a longer timethe server has also like 16 fans front and back moving air front to backnot all vrms are made equal
>>109680057Having that many is silly but I prefer this over the old day's 3-6 phase vrms that throttle on just 120w of power
>>109680400This motherboard meets AMD's minimum specs to run a 9950X3D2 (with a caveat), I'm not surprised with those server boards.https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/A620AM-HVS/index.asp#CPU>CPU performance may be limited due to power phase design.https://skatterbencher.com/2023/05/30/2-phases-1-raptor-lake/
>>109680403>i don't care about latency on my screenwhat are you gonna do when tvs are 240hzsay its too slow also and moving the goal post to 360-1k Hz being the minimuim?>and i like my screen spying on mejust turn it off>and forcing pointless software shit onto me everytime i turn it on.you made that up and user error
>>109680449>he doesn't even have 1100hz preorderedum. ok. KID
>>109680400The 20-30k rpm delta fans used in server chassis are responsible for enabling thatAlso most server CPUs have FIVR and run fully on >1.8v meaning they're pulling way less amps than consumer CPUs
>>109680468+1K refresh rate won't magically cure the downsides of an IPS panel.
>>109680185because they have a financial interest in doing so.you still haven't sourced your original claim.>>109680253crucial is a consumer brand. not a manufacturer.
>>109680353>However this does not include Micron products (DIMMs or modules) sold to OEMs which produce consumer systems or modules sold to other DIMM vendors like Corsair, G.skill, etc.I'm not sure if they are still doing that. Their statement says Micron are only selling to enterprise now. Is Enterprise DRAM the same as consumer DRAM chips? I want to know if companies making consumer ram now really are still buying and using micron chips. Are the most recent ram kits still using micron chips? I will find out
>>109679901Windows 10 will be the last windows ever, halo infinite will be the last halo game and will be a 10 year project etc
>>109680449who the fuck has desk space for a 65 inch tv? why do you even respond to people asking for monitor advice with this retarded shit?
>>109680484Who cares about Gaylo in 2026? The fight was finished™ in 2007.
>>109680483Server dram is different. They're wired up to 4 bits per chip to have double the density per dimm while consumer dram is wired up to 8 bits per chip, needing only 8 chips for a single rank
>>1096804681080p IPS 24"... uh yeait costs more than a 55" qdoled
>>109679676People are excited for this?
>>109680480there are only upsides (I win, you LOSE, KID)
>>109680499Just pointing out companies statements mean nothing once the server rush is done they will suck your balls for consumer money again
>>109680520q stands for >>109680523israel is celebrating.
>>109680495>he doesnt have 2m of space to her screenwhen did americans start living in pods?people are falling for the monitorjew dailywhen you could have been saved by taking the tvpill
>>109680523personally, I think it tarnishes the dlss brand.it's a filter, like reshader or something, that halves your performance. dlss is associated with upscaling that improves fps without reducing image quality.
>>109680449Opening up /g/ to third worlders who think a low PPI screen like a TV is acceptable as a computer monitor was a tragic mistake.
>>109680543YeahAnd (M)FG shouldn't fall under the dlss either
>>109680543>it's a filter, like reshader or something, that halves your performance. dlss is associated with upscaling that improves fps without reducing image quality.Not sure why they had to use DLSS considering that DLAA has a different branding for a different application.
>>109680495>asking for monitor advicemonitors are displays, tvs are displays, they are essentially the same toolthe only reason why tvs were shunned was because they were slow pieces of shit compared to monitors in lcd form (see current state of VA tvs)then oled came along and saved large format gaming, in fact, oled tvs were the go to oled displays as a cope because oled monitors were not yet outbut they were all of them deceived... since monitors were severely brightness gimped, all you got was more hz and a shittier firmwareand so.. people returned to the tv pillthey are a viable displayjust make more room to the display>>109680546white people know what ppd is thoyou aren't white
>>109680575>white people know what ppd is thooh dear. is that a non-1100hz panel? ew ew ew
if it's not 1100hz, basically it's just a tv for fat people who eat POTATO CHIPS
>>109680523
>wtf, I can't read shit on my 4k 27" monitor... better get a 55" TV
>>109680604dlss5 a trans filter?>>109680601>>1096805931080p 24" 1100hz IPS for 999$ or a 55" glossy 144hz qdoled for 899$ your choice Rashjeet
>>109680681like any 1100hz displays are allowed into indiaimma make my multiplayer game 1100hz minimum.
Personally I believe for highend pc gaming 144hz tvs offer (165hz is dsc) is not enough, because lag and blur increase is significant compared to what 240-500+ monitors offer.
>>109680539>turning my head just to see my hudthis shit is retarded fuck off.
>>109680539Actually, I have a roll top desk, because I am a of the Patrician caste.
>>109680484>software analogy when discussing hardware Really nigger?
>>109680755if your reaction times are the same, and your distance to the corner is the same, and you approach at the same speed, the guy with the higher hz will win, unless the distance makes you nearly invisible on a lower resolution monitor (a rare situation indeed)
this is basically the biggest secret in gaming:720p or even lower, if you aren't getting good fps.afaik none of the vidya toobers point this out.say you're at 480p. at least you can see to melee
>>109680836720p with 3x integer scaling is 2160p, as well. It looks kinda blocky, but it's remediable for a console game.
>>109680856>looksok KID
>>109680826By this metric, your distance to the server is much more important, possibly an order of magnitude more important.
>>109680755every game you play is 500fps also yes>>109680793ppd (just move further away form the screen lil bro)>>109680836you cant even see enemies in counterstrike due to them dissapearing between pixelated objects, literally too little pixels to see enemioes through mesh type things720p gamers1100hz 1080p ips 24" gamersLMAO
>>109680893I'm not gay, the server is in the same room.
>>109680817>honda pledges to make 100% electric vehicles and will stop producing everything elseHappy now? Blow me faggot
>>109680914You'd love that, wouldn't you, you queer? Nice analogy from a different industry under a completely different context LEL
>>109680817You're not discussing hardware, you're discussing a hardware company's PR statements, you dumb double nigger.
The fact nvidia can't produce new videocards has me wondering if they have lost so much talent that they can't actually continue to innovate.
you are all talking competitive, but even in sp the jump from 120 to 240 is massive in input lag and motion resolution>>109680902res will definitely go up once hw will be able to handle it, there is just much more games that can run 500 at 1080p compared to 500 at 4k, and personally id choose 240 at 1440p over 120 at 4k 75% of the time imo buy multiple displays from store with good return policy and keep what you like
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>>109680981That's right Anon, a company changing their entire business is just a hecking PR statement!
>>109681005Indeed, you should celebrate being unable to distinguish between reality and what a PR dept pumps out by buying some Crucial RAM, asswipe.
>>109681035Is that why the OP in this VERY THREAD is telling you not to buy Crucial hardware because they are no longer replacing parts? Show us the manufacturing date on those sticks, moron.
holy crap, A12x25 G2 are way better than G1it seems fans are the only aspect of this hobby I still care about
Is there a ""bad" case for around 150€ or can I just pick whatever is pleasing to my eyes? Looking for a case that's a bit bigger for easier assembly/cleaning.
>>109681098Tryx Luca L70150 pounds should be enough for a nice case, Tryx have style in spades, just get that.
>>109681064>bases production rates on how the BigCorp deals with warranty claimsSamsung must've stopped producing SSDs, as they're doing the same shit with them.G.skill is doing even funnier shit, like giving people cash refunds AND keeping working sticks out of a RMA'd pair. Them's them apples, kiddo.
>>109681227Ok Anon, if this is really the hill you want to die on. Go ahead and show us the Crucial products manufactured after February 2026, since this is the date Micron announced would be the end of their manufacture.
>>109680996you sacrifice all the brightness for those few hz
so what did amd say about supporting w10?now that jewvidia said they'll stop supporting drivers on w10 this year I was thinking of getting amd if they do
>>109681300bg3 is a pass.>no localizationsfact is, AAA doesn't exist anymore.If you don't have VOICES in 5 languages, you're NOT AAA, PERIOD. I'm on this hill, and I will defend it with my entire being.
>>109681426that was not the topic
>>109681435It's not a AAA game, so why bench it?
>>109681451the game used is irrelevant
>>109681408I think they still haven't said anythingon the other hand, AMD GPUs have decent linux drivers so you can just dump windows as a plan B
>>109681435wtf is this supposed to prove? that you can see a tv easier from the couch than a monitor?
I didn't buy the last drop of price drop ps5 pros before the price hikeI didn't buy an on sale s95fI will be left behindSitting on the sidelines of premium goyslopIt's genuinely overI should have boughted
>>109681408why would you be on windows if you're not on the most recent version?
>>109681485monitor dim
>>109681502ok? my monitor doesn't have sunlight from windows shining on it.
>>109681508hdr impact, color volume, brightness
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>>109681515you say a bunch of buzzwords but nobody gives a shit about your 60 inch tv with low refresh rate and motion blur.
>>109681300Id 100% without a doubt choose double refresh rate over higher brightness in bg3 and really anything that isnt first person experience with top tier visuals focused on immersion and atmospherereally, what Im getting from hdr in bg? shiny axe?
>>109681534>with low refresh rate and motion blur.exact same motion blur as on equivalent oled monitor at the same refresh rateand unfathomably better pq>>109681559dim screen enjoyers
>>109681408They did it on october 2025 anon, did you forget how nicotroon sperged and spammed the thread for 3 days https://ryzen.pro/en/windows10-end-of-support/
>>109681612t. motion blur and lag enjoyer
>>109681631if you cant run more than 165fps you cantfalse analogy