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READ THE (temp)WIKI! & help by contributing:
https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Home_server

/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn about networking by standing up a OPNsense/PFsense box and configuring some VLANs. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think you’re god-tier already? Setup OpenStack and report back.

>What software should I run?
Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.

>Why should I have a home server?
De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.

>Links & resources
Cool stuff to host: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
https://reddit.com/r/datahoarder
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/wiki/index
https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Features
ARM-based SBCs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGaVu0sPBEy5GgLM8N-CvHB2FESdlfBOdQKqLziJLhQ
Low-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI
SFF cases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/
Cheap disks: https://shucks.top/ https://diskprices.com/
PCIE info: https://files.catbox.moe/id6o0n.pdf
>i226-V NICs are bad for servers
>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT mode
WiFi fixing: pastebin.com/raw/vXJ2PZxn
Cockpit is nice for remote administration

Remember:
RAID protects you from DOWNTIME
BACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS
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I wanted to give restic/backrest a try, but I think I'll go back to Duplicati. I liked it much better.
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Posting my tiny apartment homelab again (had to dust it a little for the pic)
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>>109743418
looks very neat! Can't wait for mine to arrive, ended up paying more for Startech since every cheap 22U/25U rack has protruding wheels which just waste space, my storage room is aready small as it is. Also the depth of the whole frame can be adjusted, so can just use the smallest depth that will fit all my gear with rails.
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>>109744021
What kind of chassis/table is that?
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>>109744123
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/knarrevik-nightstand-black-20569977/
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>>109744127
It's a nice setup
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How's your hardware hording stash coming?
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bros i want more vram so bad
I currently have an RTX 4080 Super (bought in the before times) in my main server, plus 128GB of ddr4 (again, before-times) and it runs qwen 35B A3B okay-ish. 15-30 tok/sec. But I want MORE
but also i refuse to pay these prices, i'd rather spend the price of an RTX 6000 pro on a vacation instead of on GPUs
but i really enjoy not sending all of my personal project coding to anthropic/openAI to help them train models to destroy the world
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>>109744637
Not really a hoard but I'm set for a while.
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>>109744699
Time to start sucking cock. Sucking 16000 cocks at $1.00 per cock will net you one (1) rtx6000 plus tax plus tip.
You already do it for free so you might as well get paid for it
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>>109744743
i appreciate the advice but I can already afford it (i have managed to figure out better ways to get money than sucking cock). I simply will not spend that much money on this - i have better things to spend the money on, and my current setup works well enough
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>>109744637
I'm unhording, the horde is unmanageable. I've got some 15 computers listed on eBay right now, a couple of x299 motherboards I need to list while the prices are through the roof, two brand new laser cutters that I need to get rid of, an all-in-one that I need to tear down for parts, several 2005-2011 junk laptops I need to go through and be rid of (the first batch sucked but I've only got 6 in the remaining pile), about to have another pair of Z97 motherboards I'll have to get rid of. I haven't even opened the Compaq 386S I picked up back in July, got too much shit on the shelves.
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>>109744021
looks really cute. thinking of downsizing my server stuff myself.
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>>109745066
I'm in a similar situation, I have half a dozen PCs, four SFF a, a couple of mATX, and some old ATX tower. I need to rebuild my server and get it back online. I've had 60TB of storage just sitting in my office for over a year now, should probably just sell it, pretty sure they've doubled in price since I bought them.
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>>109745066
>I've got some 15 computers listed on eBay right now, a couple of x299 motherboards I need to list while the prices are through the roo
Are people actually buying shit at these prices as opposed to ebay sellers just being opportunistic?
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Probably a stupid question, but what would you do with something like https://www.ebay.com/itm/168653481774?_trksid=p4481478.c101506.m1851 ?
'Cluster computing'? or whatever it's called? What job/app/etc. would having multiple small PCs like this be worth it?
Only thing I can think of is for a small gaming cafe type environment, one mounted on a display, and playing emulators (PS2 and older).
Would they be good for decoding streams from a server or something?
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>>109745764
People buy overpriced things all the time. I sold an m920q for $240 on eBay with an i7 8700t earlier this year.
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>>109745699
I'm in the middle of a new server build right now and I regret starting when I knew I already had so much shit to handle. Not enough space for all my crap, not enough money to take the easy way out. It'll be worth it when it's done though, big upgrade for me with the last of the 1Gbit shit gone, going from 6 bays to 16, passive and peak power consumption both cut in half.

Someone find me on eBay and low-ball the fuck out of me, please, I'm sharing a bed with two dozen computers and it's not nearly as sexy as I would've thought.
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>>109745796
I've already got the parts. My 'server' is I think an AM4 build? 8 SATA ports, only using 4 (when it was last on like 10 fucking years ago). Bought some external 20TBs to shuck a while back before everything went through the roof. Pretty sure I need to repaste the CPU, and just take shit apart and clean it. I'm just lazy and know that once I start I'll be fucking with the thing for a week straight downloading shit, testing new features etc. Then I need to migrate almost 100TB of shit. Hell the computer I'm using right now doesn't even have the lid or bottom on it, two drives just kinda hanging out inside it, and about 4TB of torrents in progress -_-
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>>109745777
Use it as a thin client to connect to my servers? I stopped buying these since pretty much every room in my house has a PC in it that can connect to the servers in my basement. You can also use these to host servers. I use a ThinkCenter M715q to host WoW, MineCraft, Vintage Story, Project Zomboid and other games for me and my siblings.
Or make it into an Android TV box because of all the news about TVs spying on you now.
These need storage and RAM though, so that'll cost extra.
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>>109745834
>These need storage and RAM though, so that'll cost extra.
I have all that, probably a dozen 2.5" 2TB drives, and multiple sticks of that 204 in 4-8GB configs. I actually have one of these little boxes already, so I know what they can do, and they look great, tiny, etc. I use it as basically a video player and emulator, browser, etc.

Problem is I have multiple older boxes like this, and I don't want to bin them. Not really worth selling either. Some of them are atom spec, so basically only useful for cold storage management or as a firewall/router. I guess I can turn one into a torrent box or something. Just feel bad having this old junk that doesn't really use a lot of electricity, but doesn't really have a useful purpose either.
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>>109745777
>intel 4th gen
>no ram
>no ssd
>no power brick
>no designated purpose ("what would you do with")

- shared folder
- dhcp server / pi hole
- print server for usb printer

Cheap enough to hand out a few to a community.
- buddy backup

Looking at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video
It can handle MPEG-2, AVC 8-bit, VC-1.
So not my first choice.
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>>109745865
>buying stuff with no use for it
ah, typical /hsg/.
if it's extremely cheap, i would also buy it and figure out what kind of shit i want to do with it. i have a couple mini pcs that has it's own dedicated os. if i want to mess around with linux, i use mini pc #3. if i want to look through tor then i use mini pc #6.
if you think it's cheap, buy it. if not then don't bother.
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>>109745764
People are overpaying for them, but not by any real extreme. Typical x299 that would've been $70-$100 used a year ago will absolutely sell for $100-$200 right now, nothing too crazy really. Those $200-$500 ones aren't selling unless they're including an i9 and/or a chunk of RAM.
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>>109745893
>buying stuff with no use for it
No, I already have a bunch of similar shit and want to know what if anything it's worth actually using, or I just toss this shit.
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>>109745823
>My 'server' is I think an AM4 build?
FM2+ AMD A88X lol, is that even worth using in the current year? Main reason I bought it at the time is it has 8 SATA3 ports on board for TrueNAS
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>>109745966
>FM2+ AMD A88X
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>>109743756
jesus, i though 19" racks were a standard, but finding moving shelfs (for laser printer, 3d printer etc.) is such a bitch.
It's either:
>specs don't say what depth they support, or the depth supported is too shallow
>specs don't say what weight they support
>side mounts instead of front/back mounts (my rack doesn't have side mounts)
i just want a shelf for gods sake
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>>109746404
>i though 19" racks were a standard
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>>109746404
also this retarded (((lanberg))) company and their jewish naming schemes has completely flooded the rack accessory market too, when they say "1000mm shelf", what they actually mean is "it fits OUR 1000mm rack (which is actually only 800mm deep)".
Search engines being more and more shit doesn't help either.
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>>109746550
i mostly see rittal racks here
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>>109746583
i guess steel industries are very localized, when i had to buy a gun safe it was all local companies also
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>>109746404
>two startech shelfs cost more than the startech rack itself
grim
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>>109746404
thats because you are larping.
racks are for servers.
but you don't have any servers.
you have a 3d printer?
a 3d printer is not a server.
shelves for racks aren't supposed to hold 3d printers. they are supposed to hold.. well nothing. there is no reason to have a shelf in a rack.
maybe if you have a little media cabinet with a switch and a patch panel in your house and you want somewhere to put your isp provided modem/router then you can buy a little cantilever shelf for that.
>what weight they support.
it's a metal shelf. how fucking heavy is your 3d printer.

if you want to be retarded, go and buy the cheapest set of rails for any server you can get and then put a bit of 3/4 plywood over them. there you go put your gimpy little printer on that. enjoy the estrogen fumes.
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Would this be a decent streaming client?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/VIZIO-43-Class-Quantum-Full-HD-QLED-Smart-TV-NEW-VFQ43M-10/7788424644?classType=REGULAR&athbdg=L1103&from=/search

Do people do custom firmwares for 'smart' TVs now? I'd like to get a couple of these old shitters if they're decent and customizable.
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>>109746699
>you don't have any servers
i have a R330 and MD1200 that i'm going to move to a rack, with some room to exand later (more JBODs, a Supermicro GPU server, rack mountable switch and router, might move my ML110 G9 there as well).
>you have a 3d printer?
not yet, but since the rack is not going to get fully utilized yet, might as well put it there to not waste more space in my storage room
>there is no reason to have a shelf in a rack
there are tower workstations that fit perfectly fine inside a rack but lack rail mounts, my ML110 G9 for example, HP even sold dedicated shelfs for this exact usecase. See, now you gave me an idea, maybe i should look for such workstation shelfs instead.
>it's a metal shelf. how fucking heavy is your 3d printer.
the printer loaded up would be ~26kg, cheap moving shelfs all look flimsy as fuck or list 25kg as max weight, if extended all the way, the leverage could bend the rails on some of them i'm sure, nevermind dropping the printer. I guess i could settle for a static shelf, but since i've already splurged on a rack, might as well make everything as convenient to use as possible.
>buy the cheapest set of rails for any server you can get and then put a bit of 3/4 plywood over them. there you go put your gimpy little printer on that. enjoy the estrogen fumes.
thanks sweetie :*
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I've got 3 microPCs what should i do with them
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>>109747430
Make a home server.
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>>109744699
Learn to solder. Or send your GPU to Brother Zhang in China.
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my fellow self hosting anons
I'm getting a b660m mobo
with a 12500T to run my
jellyfin and qbittorrent private
tracker and seeding server. how
did I do? it'll be paired with an
lsi 9305-16i and a Intel i226+v.
it costs less than $300.
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>>109744743
white or kike hands posted this, always with the degeneracy
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>>109745796
what's your listing
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Anyone have any experience with RSShub or FreshRSS?
I use RSS on my main PC and am tempted to get a remote always on solution going. Already using RSSBridge but I imagine a dedicated RSS host will implement some of the same functionality.
Currently using FluentReader which I like because I can filter individual sources by regex and hide unneeded stuff
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>>109747430
put them in your butt
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>>109748459
this is the only logical conclusion to this dilemma.
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>>109747920
Seems like a fair deal last I checked
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>>109748082
I use FreshRSS but mostly through the API.
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>>109747430
I remember I bought 3 when I started, kitted them out with identical hardware, and ran a proxmox cluster. Was cool for about a month but massively overkill for my needs. Fun to see VMs live migrate and only miss a ping or two
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>>109747430
gimme one pretty please I'm too poor for this hobby
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>>109748477
use case?
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wait I didn't realise rack servers were so cheap
why the fuck do I have a workstation PC being delivered?
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>>109743756
Give it to me straight doc, ever brought an ssd back to life after sudden power loss?
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>>109750384
have you tried turning it back on again
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>>109750384
see >>109748459
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>>109750314
atx is still based
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>>109750314
you pay premium for a more convenient and universal tower form factor, it's much easier to place and move, requires no special gear or setup.
Though rack gear sometimes has it's advantages even without owning a rack, picrel ended up very space efficient, no way i could fit 16 bay workstation in there.
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>>109750561
check out Dell VRTX
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>>109749964
News.
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I've never had to edit anything beyond yamls and the occassional bash script. Should I take the time to learn vim? Currently only use nano for everything
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you reckon I can get a founders edition 3060ti into a R730?
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>>109751060
2U 8x LFF Bay to clarify
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>>109751021
worth it for the keybinds alone, half the shit i use has a vim mode somewhere in the settings
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>>109751021
No, clearly not. If all you need a CLI text editor for is the very occasional config file or script edit then clearly it's not worth spending time to learn a different editor, that in the end you will hardly use anyway. It will take you far longer to learn to use something new than whatever minuscule amount of time you'd save on rare editing by presumably doing it more efficiently.
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>>109750314
cons:
1. loud fans/psu unless you modify it by using different fans. but using different fans might make it run hotter since normal pc consumer fans aren't designed to cool down a rack. and you can't really modify a psu.
2. proprietary parts. pain in the ass if anything breaks and you need a replacement. especially old ones. some psus are cheap, but shipping is a nightmare.
3. getting support of eol racks just sucks. while there are documentations for them official support will not help you and you have to scour the internet for help.

personally i got a rack chassis and put normal pc parts in there. i dont have to deal with the noise and i can stack them. only thing that might suck for some people is that it doesn't have enough hdd space. but most home servers don't need any more than ~8 hdd bays and you can make your own metal box with hdds in them and hook them up externally. hotswap bays are nice but not needed most of the time.
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>>109751021
https://github.com/craigbarnes/dte
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>>109751470
>personally i got a rack chassis and put normal pc parts in there
Rack chassis are pretty shit for that. At best you'll have 120 mm fans.
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>>109752250
And? If you get a 1U rack, how big of a fan do you have? 40mm? 2U is what, 80mm?
120mm fan is standard on normal tower cases. 120mm fan on a 4U consumer rack is enough.
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can anyone recommend the best Foss, private and secure, non-third party app/apk for Wireguard?
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>>109752822
damn that was SO hard
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>>109751021
I'd recommend, mostly because it's fun but also it's extremely useful just for its motions and regex
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>>109752854
you can only download it from the google store and I don't fuck with google and there are integrity checks when downloading it from Aurora
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>>109743756
How can I leverage my homelab to get a job? Do I have to start from the bottom? I have a CS degree (which probably means nothing now).
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>>109753855
I've been looking into this a bit, there aren't very many avenues
Consult businesses / build and manage their networks
Be a content creator
AI price scraping for reselling/scalping
Rent out local AI compute for people/business
AI Knowledge databases for businesses is something new I've been introduced to that might be important going forward
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>>109753855
>>109754028
Oh, did you mean that you wanted to be a wagie?
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>>109754028
>Rent out local AI compute for people/business
seems the easiest - host services and lock features behind a subscription, like elfhosted does for stremio addons
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>>109754042
Yes, I'm looking to try to use it to get a wagie job as a Linux admin or something. Not sure if it's possible, honestly it seems like most of those jobs are W*ndows only and require Active Directory exp. I am kind of curious on what you meant by this though >AI Knowledge databases for businesses
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>>109754197
It's when you start recording all of your customer service phone calls, and feeding the questions and answers to an AI, essentially. You train an AI on your business so it becomes a mirror of your business, a knowledge database and it interacts with other AIs on the internet, like google searches or it interacts with your customers on your website. Supposedly from a couple video essays I watched, this will be the internet in the near future, a bunch of AI talking to eachother and people actually visiting websites will be almost nil
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>>109754290
it's so over
time to buy a new drive with the current prices.
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>>109754028
>Be a content creator
2cringe4me they all seem fake
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>>109753236
looks like 3 shell commands to get an apk
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>>109753236
There's is a direct download link for an apk on the wireguard website.
You're seriously retarded
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>>109756130
it doesn't work, can you like, help me out?
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If you can't download the apk there's no way you'll be able to config it properly to connect to a server .
Not even with the nifty qr tool
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>>109753855
My success is only for one job but when interviewed for Google, I do honestly believe that my autism into hardware is what did get me the job for the position I am in.

It went hard into Linux and networking hardware. Something that I only ever did on my own. I did get a level 2 position when my peers are much more seasoned in either sysadmin or work in other datacenters compared to myself.

I guess it can help but it really depends on the employer. Google doesn't seem to gatekeep hard with professional credentials compared to just pure knowledge and character, at least on the DC side.
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>>109756310
I see, that's awesome. What you're doing and have done is probably my dream. Did you skip over level 1 positions'/

I'd say my most impressive personal project is this. Earlier this year I really tismed it up with tuning my VM ZFS mirror in my NAS. I wanted to increase the life of my consumer grade SSDs that I put in the mirror by reducing rmw amplification at all costs. I researched changing LBA, compared ZVOLs to datasets (datasets are better here since they can write in variable chunks that are between the lower bound (ashift) and upper bound (recordsize), while ZVOLs only write in increments of their volblocksize no matter what), tested qcow2 files vs .raw files (.raw files are better since qcow2 files always coalesce writes to 64k (write amplification), while .raw files (especially on 16k datasets) are also more variable), and tuned an NFS share to be used as my virtualized piracy stack's (qbit-nox + gluetun) qbit downloads folder. Making that NFS share mount on VM boot was annoying, but I did end up doing it by ditching the old school ifupdown and using modified systemd units instead. I also secured it with home rolled mTLS through the kernel. Was partially along on setting up Kerberos until I discovered the kernel can do mTLS.

I think my Linux chops are well above entry level, but it's hard finding Linux gigs here in the midwest. It seems like most positions are Windows only. Maybe I just bite the bullet and try to learn Active Directory.
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>>109756591
>>109756310
Good luck with your jobs bros
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>>109751021
>Currently only use nano for everything
Same, and I don't see any reason to change
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>>109746404
I've just used static shelves for everything, but keep it low-profile to for real mounts.
Why do you want to have your printers inside the rack? That seems annoying to me.

I finally got a real switch for 10Gb and QFSP finally. Very cheap used, but the fans are a bit loud if you don't lower it.
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My home server setup is pathetic. It's a hp t620, the dual core variant. Today I'm trying to install a 120gb m.2 sata ssd into it. It's my first attempt at actually upgrading it since it was put into service. Until now it's been stuck with a 16GB emmc which has absolutely pathetic performance and I ran into one drive space crisis after another. Yay poverty.
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>>109758789
It was a success. I had to use some old version of clonezilla from 2019. The IO shield on the back of it isn't the original one it came with and it was only being held on with stickers. So I put tape over the ps/2 ports I don't use and some tape on the side and we're good.
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>>109750403
Gone from bios, not listed by lsblk..
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Just setup vsftpd with a cert... And using my flint 2 ddns.. and it works with my camera, the files just show up on the HDD now. Feels like magic. It'll be good when shooting out somewhere and can just hotspot it to my phone and stream the files immediately home.
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>>109759001
nice.
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looking at adding a seperate server on my rack specifically to host a booru for a community of about a hundred people that have a pretty high art output. I tried asking Philomena devs on guidance since there isnt much documentation but they havent responded. i want the site to run decently. am i a fool if i get something like this? https://buildmyserver.com/products/dell-poweredge-r640-nvme-server-2x-gold-6136-3-00ghz-24-core-384gb-h740p?Title=Default+Title
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has anyone (((successfully))) monetized their homelab even if a little? with hardware costs going through the roof, upgrades or even replacement for failing drives is painful.

anyone have experience renting out unused compute or is it not worth the electricity?

only thing I can really think of is maybe offering "cloud storage" but how can a consumer compete with big cloud in cost and space?
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>>109760929
I don't see it happening outside you using it as training wheels for proctored certs or a local dev environment before pushing out to bigger compute.

You aren't going to outbid the big 3, and anyone who cannot use cloud likely cannot use anything off prem.
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>>109760901
how is your storage setup going to look? what are you going to use as the OS?
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>>109758351
is that a 3d printed shelf for that hdd? looks like it's warping from the heat of the drive lmao
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>>109754290
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>>109761052
id like to get nvme drives. start with a few terabytes and scale up from there. likely truenas for OS because thats what im using on my piracy server
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>>109761072
did you not have a redundancy setup for your drives holding your backups
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>>109746404
Buy obsolete 1U server with rails.
Shelf.
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>>109761069
It is, yeah. Used a lot of printed pieces where I could. It's not the heat of the drive, it's that you are supposed to put the drives in the 2 slots by the legs so they give it a torsion box effect.
It's printed very thin with that in mind, but it was easier to put the drive on top and just let it flex. Hasn't changed in about a year so far.

I was actually worried about these drive caddy prints, but I used higher temp filament and they seem to work okay. The real test will be when I can afford the full 24 drives at the same time.
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>>109761097
the backup targets are all raid
I think/hope the last backup got fucked due to the dying drive
Either that or the drive I am restoring to is dying next...
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>enter home networking discord server
>Rust shilling out of nowhere in every channel
>exit server
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>>109761093
that server build is pretty overkill for a truenas box unless you plan on having 200tb+ nvme storage

you can build a lower powered ddr5 4xxx epyc box for about half that and then use the leftover funds for more nvme drives
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>>109761236
will that consume any more or less power than dedicated server hardware? i own my house and power is a cost now
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>>109761249
idle cost would be less than half considering just the cpu's alone
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>>109761236
>>109761273
i apologize, im going to have to do a lot more research before looking into purchasing
/discussion
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>>109761287
anon, you don't need highspeed current year gear. half the internet is on decades old rust.
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>>109761298
i just wanted to be sure the website would move smoothy and serve images quickly for my friends, and im still trying to figure out why my current truenas server seems to move sluggish
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I currently have an enterprise Synology rs1221+ that I use as a NAS and server, it still has quite a bit of headroom for containers and processing.

Eventually I would like to move away from using it for services and may sell it altogether. I'd like to build my own, would you do two separate devices, NAS and server? Or put it all in one box? I'd like to have 8 bays.
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>>109761307
There's a function on True/FreeNAS that allows you to use an SSD as a cache type device, and you can force all files smaller than whatever to reside on the SSD, should make fetching those pictures quicker. I don't recall what it's called, but I remember the basics of the feature.
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>>109761307
really only reason it would feel slow is your pool transfer speeds or network issues. actual hardware as long as it's not 10+ years old should have little effect (assuming you're using it mostly as a nas and not running a ton of services and running out of memory)
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>>109761358
gotcha. i appreciate the help
>>109761354
will look into this, thanks
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Should I hold or sell a pile of DDR3 ram?
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>>109761426
I don't think I'll ever sell a pc component again, especially ram or gpus
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>>109761426
bad news anon
no one wants dd3
even ddr4 prices have stagnated
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>>109761354
A ZFS SLOG, I'm pretty sure. It's basically just a cache for synronous writes that need to be written to disk. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it will help your read speeds. If you're running into write speed issues or are finding your drives are wearing out faster than expected, a SLOG will help (though it will then tank the wear and tear itself).

>>109761307
ZFS is slow when compared to other filesystems without CoW. It's actually really slow compared to them. Your best bet for read speed improvements is to use SSDs, use as much RAM as you can, and tune your recordsize/volblocksize to your usecase. For example, 1M recordsize is good for large media files. If I remember rioght your raidz config also plays into this. Mirrors are fast to read from, etc.
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>>109761307
what are you trying to run on your current truenas server? truenas is nas first, vm/containers second. sounds like you might be trying to do too much with it and should look at proxmox instead
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>>109761509
qbit with gluetun, jellyfin, and a arrr stack. i have them all running as apps from the built in browser except qbit so i could bind it to the VPN
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>>109761329
>I'd like to build my own, would you do two separate devices, NAS and server? Or put it all in one box?
I have a single box. Better use of resources, since a NAS requires storage, memory and CPU, and a server requires storage, memory and CPU.
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>>109761471
nah, it's something else on the read side of the NAS, let me see if I can find it.
>The L2ARC is an acronym for Level 2 Adjustable Replacement Cache. A L2ARC act as a read cache. You can frequently cache accessed data in RAM using ARC caches. The idea is basic. You must access data from RAM instead of going to your software RAID. As you store more and more data on your server, the percent of data that can store in the cache gets less and less. To solve this problem, one can use the L2ARC. Usually faster SSD used to improve performance. L2ARC act as an extension of the ARC cache.
Pretty sure that's what it was that I'm referencing. Basically using the SSD instead of Ram. Can probably just host the whole site from that drive.
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While we're talking about TrueNAS and ZFS, I'm also having issues with how slow opening a SMB share directory with hundreds of image files is. Do I need to tune my recordsize as >>109761471
said? They are already running off of mirrored SSDs.
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>>109759298
unplug the sata cable but leave the power cable in
turn on the PC and sit in the bios for 30 mins so the drive can clear it's cache
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>>109761709
are you using dolphin? there's a setting you can turn off or down for loading meta data and thumbnails. can't remember exactly what it was but could be your issue
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>>109761426
Sell unless you have an actual use .
DDR3 is at its peak right now
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>>109761709
What is your recordsize? Also, what is slow about it (ie, is it slow to actually connect to the SMB share, is it slow to load the images, etc)? There are a few ZFS options that make SMB play nicer, but I'm not on the computer where I saved them.
Nvm, I found them:
https://www.truenas.com/community/threads/truenas-scale-smb-acl-permissions-dont-inherit.106105/#post-733827

Also keep in mind that changing recordsize is not retroacive. It will only change the chunk size for new fies, not old ones iirc. Do some research on that.
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>>109761471
>>109761677
slog and l2arc are useless you're running a database (slog) or have very little ram (l2arc). you're better off adding more ram, adjusting pool layout (switch from raidz2 to striped mirrors) or just switching to an array of ssd's instead of disks
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>>109761902
Thanks, it's m2 sata unfortunately
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>>109744699
I desperately need memory too.
>could have bought cmp 170hx when they were a few hundred and had god tier local AI for ridiculously cheap
Why didn't you guys tell me...
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guys
anyone hosting their own email?
what's your setup?
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>>109765917
Also interested in this. I'm kinda paranoid about opening up my network to the internet, hosting a site or a file server etc. Kinda want to try it out on some old hardware though, maybe make like an FTP server of some random shit. Just don't want to deal with security issues or potential legal shit (~pirated music or movies).
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>>109765917
>>109765974
It's honestly much easier to make a throwaway burner gmail. Do not connect it to your other emails. Always use that email outside your network or through a VPN.
For when I need to sign up to some piracy website I always do it in a VM that has a VPN on all the time. I download all my stuff through that. 99% of the time no one will catch on, but if a government wants to find you, it will find you eventually.
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>>109744699
>>109764221
why not try a pair of intel b70's? I heard they suck but 32gb of gddr6 can't suck that bad
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>>109766233
You don't understand. A successfully unlocked cmp 170hx is nearly a100 tier. In vram alone it's worth like $4k, being very conservative. And for a day or so after the paper was posted you could still get them for a few hundred. I'd have been able to buy them up to $1200 and still consider that a great deal, but now they're firmly out of my savings range. You can also do hardware mods, like adding 16 lanes or cap mod and get even closer to a100. I'm fucking seething.
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>>109765917
>>109765974
it's cool for sending system alerts to yourself. if you're thinking of using it to actually communicate with other people, don't bother. get an actual provider and put your domain on there if you want.
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>>109766282
you'd still have to win the silicon lottery
they have memory stability issues, and they use non-ecc chips
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>>109766350
>non-ecc
lol who cares for vram for AI
>silicon lottery
>they have memory stability issues
Most of them are fine though. I could have bought a couple so even if one or two weren't stable it wouldn't matter.
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5 hour drive, is it worth it? I have the space
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>>109766627
yea go for it
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>>109766627
Scratch that, found something better
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>>109766693
Get both.
How long is the first one, like 8 feet?
Looks like a custom 80/20 job too.
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>>109766627
if you have a truck and some comforters to wrap it up, sure. I'd likely cut it up and make three racks out of that if I were to keep it.
>>109766693
That's dope, perfect livingroom/den setup. I'd be concerned with transport though, probably need to brace it pretty good, so add to the 'shipping' cost.
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>>109766627
Nice, a walk-in rack
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>>109766974
server in the front, meat hanger in the back
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>>109766627
>mogadishu, MN
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>>109766627
>>109766693
hello fellow minnesotan
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>>109765917
It's not hard at all, but I host it on a VPS because I don't want everyone I give my email to know my home IP address.
I've had it up for like a decade now and have had no issues, email barely evolves anyway.

You'll want a VPS with some good RAM if you want FTS though.
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>>109768018
what VPS is the best for this? I need to set up a personal email server as well gmail is locking out my throwaway accounts...
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>>109765917
I need to set one up for notification emails, but I'm not gonna use it for anything important.
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>>109768079
Anything with a static IPv4.
If you plan on "sending" emails from it, the provider must also allow outgoing port 25 and 465. Most do, but some you may have to open a support ticket to get them to open them up.

I put sending in quotes because receiving email is easy, sending has nuance. You can outsource sending+deliverability if you don't want to deal with that to a provider like mailgun or sendgrid.

Note that even if you want to, you CANNOT fully selfhost email at home. All residential IPs are all blacklisted due to spam (put your IP on https://www.dnsbl.info/ for funsies), so you'll always need a VPS to relay sending mail or that external provider I mentioned.
You can also relay both sending and receiving, so you keep all your email at home and only communicate with your home network, but then it all goes through the VPS.

All these relay shenanigans are just configurations in Postfix, no need for extra software. Email in the end is just Postfix and Dovecot.
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>>109765917
>what's your setup?
Postfix & Dovecot is really all you need
and some DNS, but that's not part of the mail stack
And having a non-residential public IP if you want to send without getting mugged by the anti spam mafia.
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>>109768181
You would think they would say a great big fuck no to my 3rd world ISP but I guess CGNAT causing us to be unable to open ports means there's no reason to bother.
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I may be retarded, but getting my ML350 to do any kind of firmware update has been a fucking ballache. Do I need to download each fucking service pack from 2019 onwards to make this work, or what?
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Are there any major differences between external cases for HDDs? Picrel is the cheapest option
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>>109769036
they are all shit that will likely eat your data. If you value your data at all, never use USB SATA chips.
>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT mode
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>>109744021
I too run a mini pc. How does sata enclosures like these work for you? I would want to run zpool but i dont think thats recommended right? I have thunderbolt on my mini pc but there are like no decent enclosures with support for that. any tips?
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>>109761072
>>109761097
progress 98% (read 389338824704 bytes, duration 39564 sec)
progress 99% (read 393311682560 bytes, duration 39564 sec)
progress 100% (read 397284474880 bytes, duration 39564 sec)
total bytes read 397284474880, sparse bytes 73845907456 (18.6%)
space reduction due to 4K zero blocks 0.456%
rescan volumes...
no such logical volume ssd-sdc/ssd-sdc
TASK OK

weee
new drive should arrive today as well
and all it took was an kidney
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>>109769036
They typically have crap controllers and/or bad psus. That said, I regularly use a FIDECO one and it's been fine
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I was told to move a question here, so >>109769985
Thanks for any help in advance.
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>>109768018
>FTS
whats that
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>>109770592
TrueNAS running Jellyfin is probably what you want. There's a million videos on youtube you can watch.

Generating subtitles is probably a separate process that will probably need to be done on each video file and not on the fly, but I've never messed with that before. Guessing if you want to do it on the fly, you'll need more power than a mini-pc will have to AI-generate them and translate it automatically.
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>>109770592
Use Plex and enjoy a superior app.
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What do you guys think of these 10" racks? There's a taller version I'd probably go for, also some deeper ones.

My use case is just as a glorified external hard drive, ideally with a 10GbE or whatever it's called for efficient distribution over wireless. The intent is to store market data in a binary, record-orientated format (which to my understanding is a great use case for spinning disks over SSDs, since I don't need random access). Essentially just recording the market tape, and would like at least ~100TB capacity initially to allow for sufficient backups.

Lately I've been on the fence about just going big from the start though and getting a full size rack.
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>>109771098
For that use case I'd just get this >>109744127
and tape. Tape should work fine for that, and should be a lot cheaper than HDDs. That rack looks like it's probably very overpriced, and not pratical at all.
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>>109747920
>consumes 35 watts minimum and a max of 74 watts for basic operations
>how did i do
I would have gone for shittier hardware that consumes less power at idle. For reference I use a J5040 (4 cores, 4 threads, 10 watt TDP, max 8GB of RAM) to run emby server, NAS, apache web server, *sometimes* i download torrents in the background, and some autistic python data scrapping scripts that run 24/7. I don't even have it headless, it runs Windows and not even the LTSC variant. This embarassing piece of junk has been running just fine for over 4 years, and im just now phasing it out with a supermicro board (still a WIP)

>>109753855
>How can I leverage my homelab to get a job?
Have a hobby section at the very bottom of your resume. Mine takes up almost a page, single spaced. My current employer wanted me to talk about it except that section was actually outdated and i had more shit to talk about and i probably just wound up rambling for 30 minutes. I refer to them as "current employer" so, they obviously didnt mind my autistic rambling.
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>>109771390
Huh, I imagine any ol' AV/utility cart would work just as well if the dimensions are right. I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
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>>109771098
if all you want is a nas then just get a nas computer case, why waste time and effort on baby's first server rack
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>>109771596
nta but I use a normal tower desktop but I should upgrade to an actual nas tower at some point
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>>109769036
better off using oculink or pcie adapter for long term use
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>>109771627
if it just werks don't waste money on a new case, use the funds to buy more drives
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>>109771098
>What do you guys think of these 10" racks?
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>>109771504
nice!
to be fair,
i am moving from
a z290 build that cannot
handle some of the hardware
i mentioned earlier. so, it's a matter
of having to and the secondhand
market is shit.
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>>109771504
>full page of hobbies on a resume
lol how'd that get past the AI filters
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>>109770619
full text search
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>>109771098
Those little hobbyist ones are overpriced trash, it's an expensive shelf that does nothing for you but earn updoots on reddit and cuck your ability to organize or cable manage. If your 10in rack isn't at least 10u and can't hold the weight of an American man then it's trash.
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>>109770619
Faster
Than
Speed
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>>109771098
These are really for holding shit that don't fit actual racks. I had to fit a consumer router, a refurb mini-pc that doesn't fit anywhere, and an ancient laptop on top. If that's your use case, they're okay. They also only come with one tray, eo you only get 1 level outside of shoving shit on top.

TL; DR: Zero options for expansion and like another anon said, 0 considerations for cabling/wiring.
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>>109771627
What counts as an "actual NAS tower"?
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>>109775009
You can see the clear defining feature quite prominently. >>109771596
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>>109775035
What, 5.25" bays?
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>>109775107
Yep, provisions for large quantities of drives, especially externally facing/hot-swappable, that's the main thing.
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>>109775130
I sorta understand the allure of hotswap bays, but I imagine it's actually quite a moot feature for most homelabbers. I'd probably trade it off for having them inside for silence.
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>>109775137
nta but there's no reason to hotswap for most of us at home. To me, it looks more like a cool feature to pull out and in hdds for maintenance
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>>109775151
Hotswap has always been a meme. r*ddit shills it so much for some reason. For me it's just another point of failure. What happens if the board fails? How easy is it to replace? Do you need to replace the whole thing? They don't seem to think about these things.
I'm in the process of choosing my own case too. I'm debating whether to make something like this in my picture but add more HDD cages and have pretty much infinite expansion options.
OR
Buy a cheap case and wire up something like this outside. https://www.amazon.ca/Stainless-Steel-Bracket-Adapter-Silver/dp/B09GB3KVNR
I'd still be able to expand outside the case, but I'm worried if I move it the thing will topple over and yank itself out.
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>>109775242
Custom is usually the best route to getting exactly what you want.
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>>109775252
Yeah, I'm leaning towards a custom case too. Thing is I'm not that good with my hands and I don't have any power tools. Cutting and drilling will all be done by hand.
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>>109775242
Cringe
Hotswap is based
I'm not gonna put my 60TB in something that looks like a diy Rube Goldberg machine from 1930s.
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>>109775300
3D printer is the the shortcut these days, they keep getting more affordable, easier to use, and cheaper to run. I just finished up a 10in 2x10U build. $50 worth of parts, aluminum extrusions of the lengths I needed from Amazon, rest was 3D printed, no cutting, drilling, tapping, nothing. Just assembled it with a screwdriver.
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>>109775354
I don't have a 3D printer. I want to get one but I honestly don't have anymore room. I live with other people and I am renting so I don't have a garage or an extra room to put it in. I don't want to leave it in my bedroom because I don't want melted plastic in the place I sleep in.
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What's a good SATA expansion card in the current year that won't break the bank, and work with FreeNAS?
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>>109775372
Find a used PERC H310 or equivalent.
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>>109775400
Oh wow, they're a lot cheaper than I remember. Assuming the H330 is a little better? Looks like it has 50% more bandwidth.
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>>109775543
nta should be, though depending on what it's going into it may offer no advantage, but there's no downside that I know of. I use an H330 in my NAS, $40 on eBay with the IT firmware already flashed. I think they're $60-$80 these days, still a perfectly good price in my opinion.
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>>109775585
I think I'm going to get this:
9300-8i LSI SAS3008 8-Port 12Gb PCIe IT mode
comes with the breakout cables, tested, etc. $50 shipped.
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>>109775611
Splurge for a 40mm fan to attach to it and enjoy.
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So I put setup an ftp server and now my camera can upload raws directly to it.. and I set up a webserver that serves a sveltekit ui that rates/flags etc, the backend stores xmp next to the raws and extracts sidecar images into cache as soon as they hit the ftp upload folder and serves those previews back to the browser
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>>109776092
is all that stuff somewhat secure at least?
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>Found old case
Remember when things were good
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https://sednashop.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=102
anyone have experience with this or similar? I like that it reduces cabling and uses otherwise wasted space, and I have plenty of SSDs laying around that I could at least use for something.
Also, does anyone know where to get Node 804 accessories, like the drive caddys or the extensions for the larger sized drives?
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>>109776123
ftp uses a certificate which I loaded onto the camera. You can't do much on the webserver besides flag, rate etc images. Web server is behind a cloudflare tunnel > localhost
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>>109776123
>>109776204
I swear the amount of shit out there that just saturates your connection and DDoS's you even if they can't get in has to be run companies like cloudflare looking to push their services as the solution
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>>109758351
why did you buy a datacenter TOR switch? it's going to consume 300 watts at idle just from the fans. good fucking luck if you start connecting devices to it. do you even need that many 10g ports?
and throw out that 2950 already, it was scrap ten years ago. stop larping.
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>>109776357
not him but how are you running the 40 ports in your house? i prefer to hardwire and ran multiple cat 6 drops to every room of my house
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>>109776630
Why would you need physical drops in the current year? 802.11ac should be more than enough for most households to have multiple devices streaming 4k. I just put one router per floor, same network, and that works just fine without all the headace.
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>>109776739
i dont care what i NEED, i WANT Ethernet and i HATE WIFI
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Kind of regret buying a supermicro motherboard. I got it for a really cheap price and I only really want it for a simple NAS build. Every single case I found doesn't fit the CPU cooler backplate.
These fat as fuck backplate don't let me screw in the last screws. Because the motherboard is a weird orientation every single case I find doesn't work. Because even though the motherbaord is a micro-ATX, the weird CPU orientation conflicts with all cases. I need a case with longer standoffs. I can't just put my own longer standoffs either since raising the motherboard also raises the IO ports in the back.
Fuck me.
Or I can make a custom case, but fuck that. That's a lot more work.
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>>109776357
I use the QFSP like I mentioned, and it was the cheapest option. The 10Gb was just a bonus, most things are running the 1Gb if they aren't too vital.
I paid about 85 freedom bucks for it, and the power draw with everything plugged in (fans set to 30%) is about 150-180W. Power is cheap for me.
There's really no headache, and it lives far from where I can hear it in any case. The JBOD is louder usually.
I may upgrade to a mikrotik later, but this works for now.

The 2950 is the newest I have. It acts more as a shelf these days.
I have the 2850 and 2 1850s in the corner, I just don't have the heart to shoot them yet.
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Recommendations for a PSU that can handle 8-10x3.5" and 8-12x2.5" drives?
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>>109777193
For consumer PSUs find one with lots of SATA ports. A SATA port with a proper cable can power 4-5 HDDs. I usually don't go over 4 HDDs per PSU port. The Corsair 2021 model has 8 SATA ports. The 2025 models only have 2.
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>>109776739
>intentionally installing x-ray mapper in your house
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>>109776968
why not just cut out a square behind the cpu bracket? almost all cases already have this cut out, so not sure how you're having such issues

pic related, random case from google image search with a big ass cutout behind cpu
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I bought 2x SAS HDD's from eBay and both are bad/dead drives. This is getting very frustrating, and I'm too lazy to return them because they were only $35 each
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>>109777254
Anon, this has been a thing since like HotChips 2008 when they first started talking about directional antenna beam shaping. You should be more concerned with your phone, TV, doorbell, fridge, etc. current year bullshit 'smart' devices.
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>>109777323
Sucks when that happens, anon.
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>>109777326
What sucks even more is that I'm stuck buying 3TB HDD's again like it's fucking 2013 because higher capacities are so fucking expensive.

I bought 10TB HDD's for $80 in 2023.
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>$41/tb
SUCH BULLSHIT
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>>109776968
IDK how you could be having issues
Those thermalright backplates are pretty thin.
In general I install coolers before putting the motherboard in. Not necessarily because of supermicro not every case has cutouts and cooler itself is often a good handle.
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>>109777354
>trying to build a NAS
>oh wow these are getting kinda spendy, I'll just buy 3 instead of the planned 6 and buy the last 3 when the price drops
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>>109777446
when is the price going to drop again anons
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>>109775137
>>109775151
>>109775242
how the fuck are we suppose to know if it's a NAS if it doesn't have a dozen hotswap bays on the front of it?
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>>109777354
I'll have to find the order for the 8TB SSDs I bought. Looked one up the other day, going rate was $5kUSD used lol
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>>109777469
You'll just have to believe me I guess
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>>109777485
crazy that my SSD's are worth more than my gpu that I paid $2k for at scalper prices.
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>>109775151
>>109775242
It's not a meme. It was more the fact you could get 24x bay hotswap cases for under $200 off ebay because they're enterprise equipment that gets sold often.

they're also just easier to work with
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>>109777285
CPU layout is different. So it doesn't fit most cases without the cutout. I blame the cooler since it has adjustable holes which makes it pretty thick. I can tell right now that it's not going to fit. I blame the CPU cooler, it has the adjustable holes which makes the plastic pretty thick. Also glass cases are shit. I need something that I can lay down horizontally and put stuff on top.

>>109777416
What cooler are you using? I don't want to buy anything extra but I might just get a new cooler. This X10 SLH-F motherboard was only $50 and came with 16GB RAM and a Xeon CPU already. Every other part was from old stuff I had lying around, so I haven't spent any more money on this and I I just needed a new case. But if a different cooler backplate works I might just buy a different cooler.
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>>109777521
It was a neat idea for a spell if you can get over that alot of the cheap ones where 15 years old and you didn't mind buying spare PSUs/IOMs, or even a backplane.

The Chia retards basically killed the market and imo I can't stomach buying some of the old shit unless it's basically scrap price and most of the cost is just shipping.

Ironically >>109777498 was built as the alternative to a disk shelf. Goals are completely different but I was willing to make the trade because there are ZERO proprietary parts.
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>>109777580
>What cooler are you using?
It's a bitspower waterblock
I had concerns it wouldn't fit but it just did.
I think the problems not necessarily the board but cases breaking specifications by having raised portions in the sheet metal for the mobo tray that otherwise shouldn't exist.
Both the board and the cooler are designed assuming a certain space under the motherboard as per ATX specifications
The case however is designed for the most common denominator. Where they can do anything with the mobo tray as long as a certain area is kept clear as they aren't expecting anything but regular gaming motherboards.
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>>109777671
Nevermind then. I don't need water cooling on a 2012 CPU.
I might just buy some plywood, stick some longer motherboard standoffs, and just make a wooden case. Depends if wood is expensive compared to something like those t-slot aluminum. Or maybe buying those open air cases would be a simpler solution.
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>>109777580
I just remembered another easy way to fix this is the old reliable Intel cooler, or any push pin cooler
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>>109777585
The problem with that case is that it's not rack mountable, so it'll forever look ridiculous sitting on that cheap ikea table rather than a proper server rack.
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Good news everyone!
SSDs are expected to come down next year.
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>>109777849
>july
sis, we're in september now. look at recent news. they're all saying it won't go down until 2036.
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>>109777849
Cute, but I'm too jaded to care about any news. I'll rejoice when I actually see prices go down in real time.
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>>109777193
any shitbox psu as long as motherboard supports staggered spin-up
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>>109777849
Please god let this be true. I was malding at SD card prices.
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instead of building more datacenters why dont they just build more places that make nand/ram lool
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>>109777849
Which company(s) spent the money to increase production capacity to meet the demand that will reduce the cost? I thought the whole problem was that the big players weren't increasing their production capacity because they didn't want to spend on the outlay, which is why the price of everything went through the roof...
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>>109777849
funny joke bro.
ai companies have bought the stock for up to 3 years. that means we, as in consumers, won't have stuff until then. manufacturers will still make some ssds/hdds for consumers, but not the same amount as before.
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>>109778031
I'm not directly in that space, but my understanding is that people think two things are going to happen:
>China supply
yeah, that's gonna be some garbage
>AI will become more efficient
and that's not coming true either

Meanwhile, 'datacenters' are being built. I'm more in the networking side of the house, and just the supply of CAT6a (through the fucking roof) and SMF and LC patch cables are on like a fucking 3-6 month backlog, SFPs are backlogged. Hell, the fucking APs we're installing have been backlogged 6-9 months for the last three years. It's gotten to the point that we're not even doing infrastructure upgrades anymore because we blew out this year's entire budget in the first quarter.

Most of it is priced in, so don't expect a sudden market rugpull to even make a difference, the backlog and standing orders are going to keep prices inflated for at least the next two to three years. It's like when those HDD factories in Thailand got wiped out in 2007 or whenever it was.
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>>109743756
What DNS do you guys use? People say Quad9 glows but I'm not sure what else there is.
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>>109778213
I used to use Quad9, but now I use Mullvad on my devices, even when not using the app.

https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls
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>>109778213
google or cloudflare
they already have my name, my phone number, my email, where i live, what food i eat, what porn i watch. who cares at this point.
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>>109778233
lol, Mullvad is shuttering their DNS service and sponsoring Quad9...
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Anyone know of a company or solution to use a barrel power connector off of a PSU output? Like I plug one end into the ATX PSU, and the other end has a barrel that would go to a laptop or SFF or some other small device.
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>>109778466
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32966745986.html
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>>109777323
>>109777354
Prices are high so I'd rather just waste my money on shit.
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Is it worth upgrading my FM2+ motherboard in my NAS (FreeNAS) for a B550M?
NAS currently has 32GB of ram and a A10-7890K. Has the advancement in CPU and memory made ZFS better in the last decade?
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>>109778818
This is how your A10 compares to my 1800x at the same TDP and about a year between release.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2744vs2966/AMD-A10-7890K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X

Any cheap second hand system you buy will be vastly superior to what you've got.
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>>109778832
didn't realize it was that bad. I have a Ryzen 7 5700G SFF that I use as a daily, guess I need to look at some similar architecture for the server soon. Or maybe I can leverage it over the network? It has like 30TB of SSD storage, would probably be a good 'cache' and 'container' or whatever for the front end server stuff to offload on.
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>>109775137
It is and i wish I'd saved my money on a bunch of bays from aliexpress with proprietary trays and fans i can't control. Not having to open up the computer to add or remove drive is a big QoL feature, but if the trays aren't toolless it's still a hassle. In hind sight I should have just bought back planes and 3d printed everything else.
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>>109778213
Bind > root hints
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I'm fed up with my Mikrotik hAP ac2 (died on me once requiring reflash + arbitrarily removed some features that are available on Linux + WiFi issues that make me need to buy a dedicated AP anyways), I want to replace it with something based on Linux like OpenWRT.
I was thinking of grabbing another R330 and using it as a router, thoughs?
pros:
>cheap and easily available
>rack mountable
>2x 1GbE ports already included, more with PCIe cards
>ECC memory
>IPMI
>powerful CPU
>comes with free 4x 3.5" HDD backplane i can just wire up to my NAS and use as a JBOD
cons:
>pulls considerably more power that dedicated arm router
>ports at the back, will have to put swithc and patch panel at the back too
>???
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>>109779693
>arbitrarily removed some features that are available
like what?

>a dedicated AP
It's nine year old hardware that is somehow still getting official support, what are you using it for?
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>>109771098
overpriced youtuber meme, if you're gonna do it, do it yourself
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>>109779743
>like what?
they always assume modem use-case for USB RNDIS devices, you can't bridge or bond them etc. On Linux, USB RNDIS simply shows up as any other Ethernet device, you can bridge them, bond them etc.
They removed GRETAP and replaced it with their EoIP.
I'm pretty sure i remember Wireguard having some arbirtary limitations too.
All of those things work just fine on a generic Linux box using standard utilities.
>It's nine year old hardware that is somehow still getting official support
shame the official support forces you to update to the new unusable UI, i had to downgrade it to keep the old Web UI, so i no longer get updates.
>what are you using it for?
It's my main router and WiFi access point, connects to my LTE modem and L3 switch, back when i was on ADSL i also used it for VPN for remote access (LTE is sadly CGNAT'ed).
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>>109762797
It would cost significantly more money to have my 3.5TB (currently) L2ARC pool in ram.
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>>109779693
Honestly I think that's way over powered for a router, have you thought about just getting a newer mikrotik? I just went back to mikrotik because I got pissed off by having to babysit opnsense on a VM.
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>>109779693
hap ax3
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Is the quadro rtx4000 any good or is there a reason they are $200 or less in abundance? How loud and hot are they? I would just get a quadro p or t but truenas dropped support for turing and older last year., and I know the a310 is still the best bang for your buck but those are now going for 140 to 160 so I'm wondering if the rtx would be any better for a couple of bucks more.
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>>109780808
Nigga get a 3060, better and less hot and cheaper
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Just reassembled an old pc to use as a server. What should I use for connecting to it from outside my local network? Netbird, pure wireguard or something else?
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>>109780313
>>109780532
nah, i'm done with RouterOS because of all the issues mentioned before, hAP ax3 is not supported in OpenWRT either.
I could use an upgrade for my current R330 though (would love a dual Xeon Scalable chassis like R440), then i could reuse R330 as a router instead. If I decide it pulls too much power, I might go back to hAP ac2 but flash it with OpenWRT, I think it's supported.
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>>109780213
what the fuck are you hosting that you constantly read 3.5tb of the same data
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>>109780975
I use Wireguard.
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>>109780975
>>109781331
Same.
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>>109758789
nothing to be ashamed of I've been running a t610 plus for years now, works for basic nfs torrenting and minidlna
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>>109769076
>>109769695
So is an external HDD better? Or maybe just a pendrive? I want something to keep my backups on. A backup for a backup.
The official wiki said that external cases are better than external drives.
>>109771630
I'll use it like twice per year.
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>>109745422
>cockcaging your home server
ngmi
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>>109781686
external HDDs still use USB SATA controllers inside of them. I'd at least hope the HDD manufacturers pick the better controllers for them, but who knows.
Whatever you end up using, the most important thing is to use a filesystem with checksumming, like ZFS. In the past I was burned by an AsMedia SATA controller that corrupted data, i was only able to tell because ZFS reported those errors (and repaired them online because i was running RAIDZ1 and only 1 drive was behind the SATA controller). Imagine running ext4 or NTFS and being blissfully unaware that your data is getting destroyed by the controller.
Since then i've only used AHCI or HBAs, both without issues.
For external HDDs the absolute best would be to have a proper hot-swap chassis behind AHCI/HBA and drives in caddies. Picrel is my offline backup i sync once a month (older photo, i now have 5 backup drives). But i get that it might not be easy to get a proper hot-swap chassis, 3.5" tower workstations tend to be very expensive, 3.5" rack servers are cheap, but are less convenient if you don't have a rack already.
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>>109746887
>See, now you gave me an idea, maybe i should look for such workstation shelfs instead.
this turned out to be exactly what i needed, found some cheap HPE rack enablement kits (~25 euro each), supposedly hold up to 27kg, looks sturdy enough unlike flimsy shit i found online. Funnily enough my ML110 G9 won't fit on them, as they're meant for older gen workstations which must be a bit shorter, but i can still use them for other things.
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>>109761471
>>109761709
>>109780213
99% of you people here could solve most of your problems by running mirrored metadata special devices on top of your RAIDZ pool. Use the small blocks property to throw tiny shit into your mirrored specials. You can set that per dataset, so you can have a dataset for performance stuff that exists solely on your mirrors. You don't even need SSDs for your specials. I ran on straight rust for years. You get faster resilvers, faster metada lookup operations (IE directory lookups of folders with thousands of files, and less fragmentation over time.

I only upgraded one of the drives each of my specials to an SSD relatively recently. You can use a module parameter to effectively force ZFS to exclusively read from SSDs within a mirror and only read from the spinners if it encounters a problem with the SSD(s).
>https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Performance%20and%20Tuning/Module%20Parameters.html#zfs-vdev-mirror-non-rotating-inc

Obviously your write performance is still going to be bottlenecked by the spinners, but you can have proper redundancy, snappy read performance, and bulk storage all on one pool for the price of a single SSD on top of the spinners. My security cameras go on a pool that doesn't have metadata specials because I don't give a shit if it takes an extra minute to pull footage twice a year, but everything else is running at least one SSD on a mirror. I haven't touched L2ARC outside of work (where we actually need it for 20-40TB hot sets) in years. There's no point. I can trivially saturate 25GbE off my NAS. Either it's large files the RAIDZ handles, or it's purely on the SSD.
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>>109776630
buy a 1g switch?
>>109777053
the other major drawback is no POE but whatever if it works for you then :thumbsup:
i'm a grumpy old man
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>>109778126
>more in the networking side of the house, and just the supply of CAT6a (through the fucking roof) and SMF and LC patch cables are on like a fucking 3-6 month backlog, SFPs are backlogged. Hell, the fucking APs we're installing have been backlogged 6-9 months for the last three years. It's gotten to the point that we're not even doing infrastructure upgrades anymore because we blew out this year's entire budget in the first quarter.
Damn nigga
sfp's prices too?
i postponed buying some sfp stuff from amazon and ebay. i guess gonna pull the trigger soon.
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>>109781099
openwrt is great until you have a problem, then it's dogshit
opnsense is great until you have a problem, then its dogshit
pfsense is run by incompetent retards
i gave up and boughted a ubiquiti cloud gateway fiber which has its own issues but its more boomer friendly with an app and shit
networking is a humiliation ritual
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>>109784595
kill yourself NOW
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>>109766693
What is this? A sauna for -ants- err I mean, PC gear?

:-)

Looks great though, ngl.
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>>109781099
>>109784613
I've got a flint 2 and I've just left it's custom openwrt on there, very easy and it just works, the built in dyndns is nice too
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still going strong, slowly expanding since I ditched unraid
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>>109780975
personally i use tailscale, which is just built on wireguard but more "plug and play"
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>>109785057
>since I ditched unraid
why?
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>>109785397
everything is slow in unraid
The array especially was so slow the more I expanded, not sure why

They have bugs, and when I looked in their forums it was known and never fixed even after years later, and still isn't

You're stuck on old tech on the backend, if you want to install some third party stuff to your server its a pain for it to persist after reboot

Plugins after plugins to make it "better"

Updating your unraid is literally a 50/50 dice roll on if something is going to be fucked up afterwards, like your docker no longer working and is just missing, stability on unraid is a real concern its why I didn't update to the latest version a lot of the time until it was out for a good while and people didn't complain on that version

Dashboard sometimes it just resets the layout on reboot and sometimes on OS updates

Just jackiness all over
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>need a L3 switch with at least 4x 10G RJ45 ports and 4x 40G QSFP+ ports
wow, those cheap Arista 7050TX look pretty great
>apparently idles at almost 200 Watts
nevermind...
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>>109784575
Yeah I really wanted PoE for some cameras, but I have a mini router just for those. (Only a few)
Obviously not the perfect system, but it has been okay for now. Everything is a biz expense/cost for me too, so it isn't as bad.

>>109785631
It does help heat my garage, so keep that in mind too!
The QFSP+ was my bigger item, but you can get some adapters for those instead I believe. They get hot and possibly waste the same power, I'm not sure. I liked how future proof this was for me
Sometimes you just have to pay so people can 'mire your rack.
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>>109768706
you are pussy trying to cgnat
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>>109785562
Oh, okay. I was thinking of switching to Unraid actually. I'm currently using OMV. So far mergerfs + snapraid is enough. But having real time data protection does sound nice.
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>>109785562
>You're stuck on old tech on the backend
FWIW, Unraid 8 is going to be Fedora-based since they want to have a faster kernel update cadence.
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>>109761709
i fixed most issue with SMB settings on the client.
mounting the smb share with "cache=loose" is a must.

maybe some tunables on the truenas server, last one might be overkill for small files though.
vfs.zfs.vdev.sync_write_min_active=10
vfs.zfs.vdev.sync_write_max_active=10
vfs.zfs.vdev.sync_read_min_active=10
vfs.zfs.vdev.sync_read_max_active=10
vfs.zfs.vdev.async_read_min_active=1
vfs.zfs.vdev.async_read_max_active=1
vfs.zfs.vdev.async_write_min_active=1
vfs.zfs.vdev.async_write_max_active=10
vfs.zfs.zfetch.max_distance 2147483648

12 hdd's, one Z2 pool, this was mostly to get 10gbe speeds for large files, but i don't get significant slow down on small file folders.

truenas forum retards kept saying get more vdevs.
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I wish there was a better alternative to SMB. Preferably not bogged down with the shitfest that is Windows.
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>>109787971
sshfs
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ML350-anon here with an update
turns out using the USB write program included in the update package iso was the way to go, now it's in the process of updating from 2019-era shit to 2026 packages.
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converting to dinduism if hw prices continue
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>>109788540
how many years of update are you firmware hopping ML350-bru?
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>>109789130
that's disgusting anon
>>109788540
what's the power draw of ml350 at idle?
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>>109789130
I used ILO 5 to update the core BIOS to 2026 standard first, since I needed to throw some W6252s into it. Then I went from 2019 to 2026 with the service pack and it seems to be working fine.

Once my inevitable hangover wears off I'll see about putting Ubuntu server on it tomorrow. I have proxmox on it but trying to load the Ubuntu iso just isn't happening right now, shouldn't be this fucking difficult but I'm probably doing something retarded.
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>>109789166
>what's the power draw of ml350 at idle?
about 100w? I'll check it properly tomorrow when I have the drives plugged back in. Still waiting on my bootleg RTX 3080s to rock up too, I'm sure they'll add some more idle draw. Not that I really give a shit, my house runs off solar fucking power, baby
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r730 arrived, busy weekend coming up
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>>109789166
>what's the power draw of ml350 at idle?
Slacking at 55W idle here, with 3 drives in the caddy and a low power 65W CPU.
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Taking a break from homelab to tinker. Bought into the BC 250 meme. Thanks to me having spare parts available, I will be at $300 total. I can already see myself selling it after I have a few months (weeks) of fun with it

What side projects do you guys have?
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>>109789412
Specs?
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>>109790308
I have about 160 total into mine because I had all the parts.

What sucks is that it uses tons of power and I kinda already want to replace it with something more efficient but it's already running a few services
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>>109790386
Oh you're actually running homelab stuff on it? Like what?

I was just going to put steamos and fuck around with it for a while. I know it uses like 70 watts idle so I have no intention of keeping it on
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>>109790404
The main usecase is that it's running homeassistant and I also found a hardware uart on the board so it's also running a modbus server with real actual rs485 going to all my solar equipment.
But it also runs two public web apps, three private diagnostic data webapps, a mediaMTX server, and I think one or two more things I forgot about.

I also gave codex the ssh key and I use it as a somewhat breakable Linux server, so it's also been a build environment for a bunch of firmware and other nonsense.
Like I have a few esp32 plugged into it that I might have to modify one day also, a ntrip server. Some wled stuff, ect.
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>>109790494
Neat stuf! Yeah the wattage is probably just wasteful. Although realistically, in the US anyway, that's like $20 a year. But you have solar panels so meh?
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>>109790713
The problem is that I have only solar panels. My battery is fairly small so I can only sustain about 600w continous overnight in the worst of winter, and about 850 in the summer. And the bc-250 seems to be using roughly 95-110w under it's current load. Like a pi 5 8-16g would do the same tasks but fuck that pricing
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>NICGIGA
>Brocade NI-CER
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>>109785057
jesus thats a lot of hdds. Im slowly buying more. Hate how expensive theyve become. Whats your rack look like?
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>>109790332
2x E5-2687W V3 but will probably take them down to E5-2640 V4
32GB RAM and I have an extra 16 to put in
around 8TB storage salvaged from a couple NAS machines I've inherited
it has the H730p raid controller but I've never set up raid even on a regular PC so it'll be a learning experience using enterprise hardware to do it too
it's the 8 bay LFF model
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>>109791394
oh and I wanna see if I can get an old 3060ti working in there for possible transcoding
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new >>109792433
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>>109787917
What am I looking at anon?



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