>>109759096
Many brands make electrostatic headphones.

That hongshu thing is bundled with AMP, so price is really good. Also Moondrop is doing electrostat called Moonzero. But without amp so you have to provide it yourself.
It feels like chinks are going from pumping out new planars to pumping out new dds and electrostats. Nothing wrong with that, it feels like planars are solved with strongest magnets, crazy thin membranes and silver/gold traces. Im waiting more for new DD designs from Aune ane maybe others will follow.
Still much more intresting than 100s of IEMs pumped out every year

>>109759161
What was that old new headphone technology with that california kickstarter that one anon funded?

>>109759195
Piezo I think. They call it "crystal".

>>109759246
Yeah. I wonder if anon got his and if the best thing of all time.

Don't know where else to ask, this looks like the thread for it:
I'm looking for a stereo amp that can work as a USB DAC for my PC to amplify my passive speakers, but which also has RCA out and can switch between the two inputs (either with a hard switch, or even better, 12v trigger). Preferably in the ~100W range. Bonus if it has headphones out and a volume knob.

The idea is that I power my front stereo speakers using a compact, low idle power stereo amp. And if I want 7.1 audio I turn on my AVR, and use the two front speakers through pre-outs. My AVR can do this (it can have the front speakers configured into pre-amp mode). This would get me low idle power for simple music and I could leave it running nonstop, and it would free up 2 amplifier channels on the AVR I can use for future expansion.

Only problem is that I can barely find anything that does this?

>>109759385
Why not get a separate DAC for PC and a stereo amp with two inputs, or a switch.

>>109759470
For example?

>>109759485
Accidentally found what you're looking for, AIYIMA A80. But I don't know what it's going to do if both digital and RCA are connected, you'll have to look it up. Amps with dual inputs usually have one balanced and one unbalanced and there are issues with having both connected too.

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my DAC has arrived to day
finally time to try my juzear

>>109759601
>jew's ear made him spend more money

>>109759553
Yeah, that's kind of the thing I want, but maybe it would be better to get a DAC and a stereo amp then. What would you recommend for those? I really don't know jack shit about these small usb dac/amps, I'm even surprised they work off of DC input.

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>>109759619
thanks jew ear!

>>109759553
Douk a5 for the amp, any dongle for the DAC, jcally jm20 for example. It has impedance sensing so it'll work as line out with 2V output. RCA switches should be entirely passive but check the reviews just in case.

>>109759265
I did and they're pretty sick, but require a monster amp to drive to a respectable volume due to the tech involved.

If anyone’s interested, Hiby finally posted about that Cyberpunk 2077 collaboration they were teasing. It’s an external sound card and a gaming headset

black pearl DAC doesn't work with my hifiwalker h2. I don't understand why

>>109759810
That sounds like building a frankenstein monster. Also most of the signal would travel analog, and since I'm only using RCA, would be susceptible to interference, of which I have a lot.

I thought about pairing a Fosi ZA3+ZD3 (with XLR) but that's more expensive than the Aiyima.

Seems there are a lot more models that are like what I want: Aiyima D05, SMSL AL200, Douk Audio ST-01 PRO... looks like most use similar if not the same components, for ex. Fosi Audio DA2120C is a clone of the Aiyima D05. This is just with a quick online search. The Douk looks the best with the nice large knob that I'd enjoy playing around with, plus it has bass/treble knobs too, preferable to those all-in one crap where you have 1 knob that acts as menu, power, volume, input selection, muting, whatever the fuck depending on how long you press it. Alas the Douk is not available here.
I'd prefer something that once set up, only has 1 button to power on/off, 1 button to switch input from usb to rca, and a volume knob... hate all this multifunctional nonsense. If it has a menu then at least add an option to disable those inputs or add a quick select, like big boy AVRs can do.

>>109759991
That's it? Sounds overhyped nah? Planars are still kind?

>>109760162
nvm found teh solution, I need a USB-C Y-Splitter Cable

oh no no no juzbros!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NzAlIkhLxQ

/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.

>Cognitive dissonance.
When you're presented with a truth that threatens your entire perception of the world around you, your brain will simply refuse to process it.

This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

Why is KZ so good, bros?

>>109760852
nvm

>>109761217
Stealth revisions give you a thrill while making a purchase. There are no two identical sets of a given KZ model. It's like with Commodore SID - every single piece of this legendary chip sounded different.

My Letshuoer S12 (Pro) has developed treble distortion after water damage.

Any tips for replacement? I don't eq at all, listen to almost everything (from harsh noise and field recordings to delicious pop). Most importantly, I have started to listen to music at much lower volumes.

My DAC is TRN Black Pearl. I was very satisfied with the S12, my budget is anything between 50 and 150EUR.

>>109761591
try s12 ultra

>>109761409
>There are no two identical sets of a given KZ model
if that's the weak generalization you wanna give for them as a whole, the same could be said to an extent, for most IEM companies.
it doesn't take away the fact that a particular model that "was good at this or that", or "lived up to the hype" was experienced for the most part by everyone that got that model. their inconsistencies aren't the whole truth.
of course stealth revisions happen, that's well known- they make quick cost-cutting decisions or revisions depending on the circumstance and it's no secret.
still doesn't take away from particular models of theirs being good for what they are and those qualities being noticed for what those models produce on their own. given their reputation, the hype tends to still be there for a reason, when it works, it works.
>>109761591
KZ PRX, obviously

>>109761217
they made an endgame minimum phase device for $3... no wonder ppl gotta hate 'em cuz their living depends on selling overpriced crap

>>109762545
>an endgame minimum phase device for $3
which one is that?

>>109762854
edc pro? what else

>>109763016
how is it endgame?

>>109763038
how it isn't?

>>109763042
>"how's it not"
ftfy.
well, I don't know enough about it, which is why I ask what makes you think it is.

>>109763058
it is self explanatory

>>109763133
>it is self explanatory
not at all. just fuckin tell me the goddamn iem already

>>109760365
The responsiveness of these is more akin to estats but they can still put out a shitload of bass even being open backed. They're gonna stay niche unless they can get the power requirement down but I don't see that happening.

Not portable but just got a pair of STAX 007mk2s, these things slap.
In portable, the Lucifer seems kinda cool but I'm still averse to spending more than a few hundred on buds
.>>109759601
Which Juzear? The Fiesta looks really good, it's probably the replacement for my XBA-Z5s when those die.

>>109763251
but I did? edc pro

>>109763251
nta but they're talking about edc pro
>2pin detachable cable
>average ergonomics
>average tuning
>average distortion
>dirt cheap (<$5)
that's about it

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>>109763285
this one

does anyone make a small mp3 player?

>>109763531
snowsky disc and echo nano

>>109763290
>average $3 KZ is endgame
lol

>>109763676
from a purely objective point of view, it's not wrong (if you use EQ)
doesn't excuse the shitty build quality and horrible accessories

edc pro has rapetreble. Fine for the price I guess (if it hasn't gone through silent revision already kek). But to call that pos endgame? Only in indonesia and india bruh

>>109763715
why would you list its "average tuning" as part of why you consider it endgame if you just said it's going to need EQ anyway?
which is it? it does or does not need EQ??

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>>109763531
these but battery is 6-7h and it costs 50~ bucks, which is too much for a device like this

>>109763725
>edc pro has rapetreble
but then again what doesn't
>But to call that pos endgame
true
zero 3 will be endgame but it's not $3

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Endgame is determined by the faceplate.

>>109763904
>but then again what doesn't
Xuan NV has 0 treble rape.

>>109763940
for this price better buy pure or nightfall

>>109763981
Xuan NV is $30 cheaper than Nightfall and $20 cheaper than Pure.

>>109763931
are you bulgarian?

>>109764056
Russian.

>>109764136
not draft yet?

>>109763743
average tuning is still useful, and in this case ensures that you have proper full range extension and that you won't be limited when doing EQ if you have filter/band limitations

>>109764276
>average
meaning what exactly? JM-1? Harman? DF??

>>109764304
average meaning presence of bass and presence of eargain

>>109764399
>average
JM-1 would be the most likely candidate then, correct? Where does KZ actually state the intended tuning target for EDC Pro or that it is deliberately aiming for "an average tuning"?

>>109764461
i am not talking about average tuning wrt to targets, i am talking about average wrt to the iem market

>>109764518
ok, so...v-shaped, then. correct?

>>109764570
whatever you want, you can also look at any measurement and decide if it is v-shape for yourself

>>109764589
since “average” isn't doing much explaining anymore, I'm not sure what “average tuning” contributes to the endgame claim anymore. if the point is that it's EQable to whatever target you want, why does its stock tuning being market average matter?

>>109764589
>you can also look at any measurement and call it whatever you like
lol

>>109764666
i am keeping "average" very broad because that is all that is needed for my explanation >>109764276
>>109764399
>>109764678
how would you define v-shape? your answer will be subjective and inconsistent from person to person

>>109764690
sure, v-shape can be a broad subjective descriptor. but that's why I'm asking what “average” is supposed to establish here.
if “average” can be arbitrarily broad because the characterization isn't needed, then I don't see how it supports the claim that EDC Pro is endgame.
what property of being market average is actually relevant to that conclusion?

>>109764733
you can read >>109764276

>>109763931
does sanrio know russians are using their characters in a mcdonald's bootleg?

>>109764741
>average tuning
>ensures that you have proper full range extension
how does being "average" ensure that, though? those seem like two separate properties.
if the point is "it has adequate full range extension, so you're less likely to run into limits when EQing it," then why call the tuning itself average as part of the endgame argument?

Redeemed Juzear Defiant after people hyping it massively all around the interwebs, took a listen and found it fucking unlistenable due to a massive painful peak in the treble. Neither narrow bores or ribbed bores eliminated or even reduced this issue. It was fucking atrocious and made me feel that I'm a just one step from permanent hearing damage. The only tips that made it listenable for more than a few minutes was Kiwi Ears Flex in the L size, making them stick out of my ears like joysticks and still sound subpar.
But I didn't want to give up. I consoomed more and more eartips, tried them on and hoped for the best. After a few sets of tips I tried since, I finally found the perfect match.
It's SpinFit CP145. Not the newer W1 or NEO - they failed miserably. The old CP145, size: S. However, there's a trick that had to be done: I had to use silicone rings, roughly 1mm thick, as spacers that make the tips go deeper into my ears. It was the best compromise between having deep insertion and not risking the tips slipping off from the nozzles and staying inside my ears. Then I just shoved them deep into my ears... and suddenly it became clear why people shill this set so much.
The painful peak is gone, now there's just a bite in the treble that I just imagine is closer to the original vision of Zeos when he tuned this pos. It's therefore been not just salvaged, but also fixed. Now I enjoy my Defiant immensely.
I can't recommend the Defiant due to my own experiences, getting lost and investing in a bunch of eartips to make it sound acceptable (the fact that it suddenly started to sound straight up excellent is another topic). However, not everyone has the same retarded ears like me, apparently most people don't.

>>109764760
You enjoy it now, which is all that matters. The general consensus is that it is enjoyable so your ears apparently aren't retarded.

>>109764755
read that and >>109764399
>how does being "average" ensure that, though? those seem like two separate properties.
depends again on what "average" means in this context, which i defined here >>109764518
I could change the phrasing to "acceptable" tuning if you want to be pedantic, not sure why you are obsessed with this simple point

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thoughts on my new headphones?

>>109764793
Yeah, for a while I thought I got a dud that failed the QC. Turned out it was a fit issue. Very specific, required a very specific method, but still.

>>109764796
>acceptable tuning
I guess that's a more useful term. but then I still don't see what "acceptable tuning" contributes to the endgame argument beyond making it a decent starting point for EQ.
if the actual objective case is "full-range extension, low enough distortion, enough EQ headroom means there's no meaningful reason to spend more", then that's the argument I'd make.
calling the stock tuning "average" or "acceptable" doesn't establish any of that by itself, it just describes how usable the stock FR is.
if you are irritated by people being 'pedantic', try not to defend an irrelevant premise this hard

>>109764800
decoration, but fun, of course. Pretty non-rare.

>>109764800
Perfect for those over 30 years old.

>>109764867
>beyond making it a decent starting point for EQ.
in the current climate of EQ capabilities, this is important. if you stay within the price range, you will see a lot of undamped 1DD that require more than 2 filters to fix only the resonances. when you are limiteed to 5 or 8 filters with only peaks, you start running into real constraints
>full-range extension, low enough distortion, enough EQ headroom means there's no meaningful reason to spend more
with the addition of the presence of eargain. i guess my statement wasn't clear enough for you
> t just describes how usable the stock FR is.
yes, i have stated that and why this is important wrt EQ use

>>109764907
>when you are limiteed to 5 or 8 filters with only peaks, you start running into real constraints.
mehhhh..autoEQing to JM-1 and adjusting low-shelf and high-shelf filters to taste is way easier and more effective for practical use than worrying about whether a $3 IEM needs more than 5-8 manual filters

>>109765225
they are not directly related. endgame for me is a device that can work under multiple contexts and situations, and most dongles that have EQ functionality are limited in band numbers.
if you try to EQ something like the AK6, you are already using 8 filters to barely reach any target, nevermind any preference/anatomical adjustments

>>109765306
I get distinction. you're defining endgame as versatility across constrained EQ implementations rather than simply maximum performance.

WARNING!!!!

Google Gemini Pro has been made VERY BAD ALSO.

It's a recent change, Flash 38 is also trash.

It's likely in response to the ram shortage, but IT IS HOT GARBAGE DO NOT USE!!!!

AND Brave's tuned qwen3 has turned THIS WEEK into hot steaming poop.

I just had both of them commit retard level assinine dumbcrap.

what happened to /hpg/?

>>109765998
low traffic
not enough SEA schizos to argue against each other while NA is asleep

Should I get the Mojo 2?

>>109766411
to power what?

>>109766441
R70x, Clear and HE1000

>>109766444
what are you currently using and what are you even wanting for an 'upgrade'?

Why aren't there open backed IEMs?

>>109766489
there are. P50 is open back

>>109766477
a crappy portable dacamp that can't drive shit other than my Clears. everyone is saying the chord is amazing so Im getting one. sucks it doesn't do DSD

>>109766489
physics
>>109766508
it's not actually open back

>>109766520
if you have a retarded custom faceplate that renders the intended design useless, then you're right, it wouldn't be. otherwise, it is.

>>109766508
A little expensive for me to get on a whim, but I'll look into them
>>109766520
>physics
Can you say more or point me somewhere where I'd be able to learn why physics prevent open-backed IEMs from existing

>>109766548
nta, but sound bouncing around in a small shell just begs for resonances. drivers are best implemented with tubes going straight from the drivers to the nozzle

>>109766547
no it literally still isn't
>>109766548
>Can you say more or point me somewhere where I'd be able to learn why physics prevent open-backed IEMs from existing
It's simple - IEM drivers are very small so they rely on seal to produce proper bass. If you make them truly open back it will break the seal and fuck up their sound and basically turn them into a glorified earbud.
>point me somewhere
I mean literally you can google it in 1 millisecond

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>>109766599
>no it literally still isn't
yes it literally still is.
I just googled it in 1 millisecond and then double-checked the EPZ website. looks like you're a goddamn liar.

>>109766599
>I mean literally you can google it in 1 millisecond
Because Google is an AI-ridden shitheap and I think it's cute when Anons explain things desu

Next, she's going to say the companies can't be trusted either.

>>109766631
>clanker
>marketing material
come on now.
P50's "open back" design is just glorified vents for pressure relief. It is not truly open back design like open headpos are
open back IEMs are earbuds LOL if you want them that much.
I mean I won't stop you from going full retard and believing this shit because I don't care

>>109766638
>Because Google is an AI-ridden shitheap
yeah that's true...

>>109766646
If it creates seal it's not open back dumbass.

>>109766672
you care. admit it. you care enough to be pedantic about it, and now that you realized this interaction literally cannot go any further, you're conceding.
who says you should be trusted?

>>109766688
[citation needed]

>>109766489
there are some that are open back, usually not good tho
in all cases, the aim is to have the front volume sealed as with open back headphones
most iems on the market that are """open""" are just glorified faceplates with holes, the back volume is still mostly sealed
>>109766508
p50 is not open back

>>109766717
>p50 is not open back
yes, you said that. everyone else, disagrees.

>>109766742
not the same anon, and nobody agrees except ai + marketing
even headfiers and reddit disagree lmao

the back is open but it's not open back, ok?

>>109767000
>>109766695

>>109767067
not the same anon. and having a custom faceplate, like I stated earlier, obviously makes it non-open-back, but that's not what we're talking about.
go ahead and cite an actual source that can verify that it is NOT open back, because every literal impression we can all find of the pos mentions the term.
we'll wait

>every literal impression
lmao

>>109767115
Do you understand that when people ask for open back IEMs they are not asking for a bunch of holes on a faceplate?

>anon who doesn't own a single pos reads marketing blurb and now believes in open back pos
>more retarded news at 11

have we forgotten about the isines
yes they were shit, but they were open back

>>109767129
>>109767182
>>109767166
>Do you understand that
headpos law≠iem law and spamming posts isn't convincing anybody that you're different anons
also, I have about 4x more pos than you. your "0 pos" sperg ran out of credibility a long time ago

>>109767182
Yeah really, how do you figure they have no IEMs? Are you schizo?

>>109767202
I mean technically you are correct but also they are precisely why there are basically no real open back IEMs

>>109767219
>one schizo with no pos
>vs
>anons that literally own the p50
can't make this shit up !

>>109767306
>anons that literally own the p50
1 anon has one with a custom faceplate, making it non-open-back.
therefore, none of them are open-back
some fucking logic there lol

oh no, the marketing blurb says it has 2DD. must be total bullshit then! lol

>buys pos
>looks inside
>nothing but marketing blurbs
doh!

>>109767320
>anon is so new xhe doesn't know
LMAO

how do you P50 "owners" come to terms with the fact the BAs and planar tweeters in those bitches don't work? a little birdy told me that.

>>109767381
I'm not, you are! LOL

>says "BA POS, avoid"
>says "planar timbre, avoid"
>buys POS with both drivers in it
you can't make this shit up!

>anon so new xhe doesn't know about crn
LMAO

IEMs can't be "open back". All the sound will escape. You can have tiny ventilation hole but that's about it. Law of nature.

wait till xhe discovers how companies do their rnd and prototyping
hint: no faceplates

>>109767429
that debacle was forever ago. try a new fantasy accusation sweetie

>>109767456
lol, iems must be bitch to prototype then, for every revision u have to jam evertything inside tiny air thigt shell so sound will not escape
kek

look how u need to cope to have fraction of power of open back headpos
Overear is just superior. If i get chance of buying new meta iem or use that money for buying nice pair of headpos i know what i will do, focal clear mg, im coming

>>109767635
>focal clear mg
Good luck with a bass rattle LOL
>Users frequently report rattling, crackling, metallic/buzzing, or distortion noises specifically on deep bass or bass-heavy tracks, especially at higher volumes.

>>109767545
You split shell in two, put driver in bottom half, put top half on when measuring. Problem solved????

nobody cares

>>109767653
...you don't get it do you? sound does not escape even without a faceplate because drivers themselves are sealed

>>109767667
You're telling me an IEM with and without the faceplate will measure exactly the same?

>>109767674
it depends but probably

>>109767682
No the fuck it wouldn't. Simply covering up the tiny ventilation hole changes FR.

>>109767674
probably yes, some drivers are airtight, only side with nozzle leaks sound, some of them need some venting but its also done by silicon tube, some of them need larger chamber but its also from side that produces sound.
Also remember that on more expensive side entire iem is drowned in resin. So drivers needs to be airtight from that side for it to work.

>>109767688
no shit sherlock
guess what happens if vent is not on a faceplate and there's no faceplate lmao

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>>109767711

>>109767650
>Users frequently report
Lmao

>>109767674
They do actually measure the same. They just move the vent to the top. Almost like the original design is not openback...

>>109767767
No they don't at all. Shell shape is a huge consideration when tuning for this exact reason. Can't just throw a driver in a shell that fits and expect it'll measure the same. Asinine fucking claims - only in /g/ I stg.

>I don't trust anything the companies say.
>I don't trust anything listeners say.
>I don't trust anything reviewers say.
ESPECIALLY if they all corroborate each other's impressions and don't align with MY opinion- that's when I know it's a scam.

>>109766688
It's not about the seal, it's just the back of the drivers is literally not open. At all in BAs or hugely damped in DDs.

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>open back faceplate
oops

It being "open" also does nothing for you. You get the same occlusion effect probably tbdesu

>>109767789
it's funny how you think you know something when you in fact don't

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>>109767789
everything is closed inside drivers and silicon tubes. Shell does not matter at all, if your drivers, tubes and other tuning stuff is same u can change shell however u want as long as everything fits inside.
Even if shell itself is used for sound canals or sound chambers it also deos not matter because these chambers are cut off from outside world by drivers, evertyhing is on your ear canal side so everything behind drivers is irrelevevant to how they sound.

Here is how it looks while u designing it, u just need good seal between tubes, nozle and drivers and thats it, everything outside that does not matter at all and u can measure and tweak ur design without assembling it to final state each time

Only a 60 IQ retard would argue with the whole thread about open back IEMs...
Something literally everybody knows about.
His argument? Poorly translated chinese marketing material...

>>109767852
nta, but it's funny how you think you know more than everybody else when you in fact don't.

Dude watched crin's video about zero 2 driver not working well with zero 3 shell and decided that he understands everything about IEMs.

>>109767848
you don't even know what the occlusion effect is

>>109767884
You own 0 iems btw

>>109767873
>nta
believable
>funny how you think you know more than everybody else when you in fact don't
it doesn't work when I am literally right and you are literally wrong
everybody knows IEM drivers are fucking closed...

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>>109767894
literally not me you cynical twat
>I am literally right and you are literally wrong
you just conceded my point. thanks.

I like how I step away for a couple hours to watch thai hooker yt streams and come back to see other anons shitting on her.

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>close the back
>the treble increases
Hoeh?

>>109767887
You, of course, don't. I, of course, do.

>>109767937
that one is on EPZ

>>109767937
The shape is the same so probably just a slightly different resistor in the crossover.

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>>109768005
>Block the vent in the back
>Resistor inside changes its resistance

>>109768005
>probably just a slightly different resistor in the crossover
that shit isn't mentioned anywhere in the EQ guide. you pulled that out of your ass

>>109768017
When you block the vent the bass increases.

need to replace my really old 7hz salnotes zero since the right driver stopped working. i'd like to get something with a similar sound and i was considering the truthear gate and the moondrop lan. thoughts? heard great things about the truthear hexa but they're out of my budget (around 50 dollars)

>>109768373
>truthear gate
just get that

>Let's add a knob.
>It's a button.

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got a new DAS today.
also cozoy d1.
will probably spend all night consolidating my music into one place
shouldnt have been lazy and left them in random soulseek user folders

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>>109767276
They're ass because they're big and extremely long so their length modes start at like 2kKz. If we had this but open on both sides we could have a reasonable open-back IEM, it just would be difficult to tune in hardware, but who cares about that.

Why are KZ planars so good, bros?

>>109763318
>brand named Jews Ear

>>109763531
shanling m0

>>109768758
Not objectively so the justification gotta be a really funny one.

>>109768898
>Not objectively
wrong. the general consensus is that they kick ass. you never heard one.
>the justification gotta be a really funny one.
funny you say that, you still never heard one.

>>109768940
>objectively
>consensus
Now that's funny.

>>109768948
I know right?? So silly lmao
You don't have to acknowledge that you never heard one- it's glaringly obvious

>>109768967
Why would I listen to something objectively bad lol.

>>109768974
if you never heard one yourself, what rando is convincing you it's objectively bad? you don't believe anybody lmao

Got him. He's stumped.

>>109768982
The guy that measured them.

>>109768885
indeed hehe

>>109769059
oh that 1 random russian guy...yeah? incredible, the cynicism about everybody else + the arrogance to judge gear you never heard.
hopefully your distortion of reality is only temporary, anon.

why is moondrop pudding so good, bros?

>>109769136
I knew KZ planars were shit 2 years ago from the Korean measurements. I did not have to wait for the prx measurements to know it's gonna measure bad. But it's nice to have a confirmation.

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>regular TWS
>preorder
>March 2027
When you thought Moondrop has lost it completely years ago they are reaching new lows.

got a question, have a Qudelix 5K, a pmp that can plug into it and run music through it, pretty sure if its purely digital out the usbc I dont need good audio on the pmp

there anything good that is in a size/form factor that would make carrying the two in a pocket good?

>>109769277
>even considering weeb shit
ngmi

why rockbox doesn't integrate DAC support?

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>>109766548
The "openbackness" comes from how much acoustic energy is dissipated in the surroundings and is not reflected back to the ear.

Ideal openback driver is an undampened dipole, which is not the case how conventional IEM drivers are made, aka unidirectional and almost completely encased in plastic or metal. You can change the dampening on the shell and the drivers and it will change the FR, but the drivers themselves are closed backs to begin with.

There are some openback iems like STAX tho, but I've never tried them, they graph ass and reviews are mixed so never really bothered with them.

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>>109769881
I remember you oldfag

>>109769136
Btw I own and have measured PR1 but never listened to it. Life is too short to waste it on bad IEMs.

>>109770454
Fathomably based

>>109769623
>>109769285
If you're using a dongle just use your phone at that point.

watching a 60 IQ LLM appendage arguing about "open-back" IEMs because it got confused by chinese marketing pamphlet was pretty hilarious
thanks

Damn, $40 PortaPros sound better and are more comfortable than any IEM

are you guys watching the new Apple Event?

>>109772773
nope

>>109772326
>destroys hair
>crushes ears
Sure.
>>109772773
The world doesn't need more tws.

>>109773053
>>destroys hair
Skill issue
>>crushes ears
Nope

>>109772773
No, I'll be too busy reading the EQ guide for the 50th time

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mine is vented

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>>109774151
My Simgots have that goin on too and are apparently adjustable, but I never messed with it.

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>>109774504

>>109774803
I go for size over personality because I'm shallow. Sorry

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>>109772326
they're not bad but you're missing out on some higher fidelity
granted that doesn't matter too much when you're out and about

>>109775486
I mostly need them as personal stage monitors when playing brass instruments

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Ayo

would you guys have any recommendations or anything i should keep in mind if i think im averse to "warm" sound. id very much like to get iems for compactness though unfortunately ive only used anc bt headphones in recent years like most people that dont think about audio too much i imagine so i don't have much to go on as to what i like. im guessing id prefer flatter sounding stuff though because whenever i used something that sounded like its on the "warmer"/bassier side i couldn't stand it. ive used stuff from sony, apple, bang & olufsen, jbl etc. maybe i shouldnt discount that kind of sound in better wired stuff completely because probably none of what ive used would be considered "good" sound devices, but ive tended to dislike that kind of sound and its like all i have to go on.

>>109775956
q1 pro won't be warm like that wireless stuff while still having good isolation. Hexa if you can spend more.

>>109775550
>monitoring with open shit
Headphone law I swear.

I finally managed to limit my DAC choices to either the SMSL D1 or D200, due to the amazing DSD bypass feature.

what difference does balanced have on a DAC? I know on an AMP it increases voltage and thus power, but idk about it on DACs.

>>109776720
On DACs it also increases the voltage and may help with ground loops.

>>109776774
does the voltage increase increase voltage and power on the amp side?

what are ground loops?

another big thank you to the madlad that posted the adam H200 chart. instantly my favorite set of wired cans since I sold my K701s (I could never drive those fucking things properly sigh)

>buy harman tuned stuff
>be happy
Science works, folks.

>>109776657
The key part is
>brass instruments
The seal from IEMs disfigures my perception of my own sound so much from what I'm used to acoustically that it's difficult to play in tune, or in general to just play as comfortably as I'm used to.
With a small band, I hear most things acoustically anyways, so the monitors are more just to boost vocals (which do get drowned out), some of the quieter instruments, and maybe the kick which is far away from me in our typical stage setup, while eliminating any chance of feedback.

That said, not sure why I'm wasting my breath talking about stage monitoring, as I'm the only person ITT that has ever used IEMs as in-ear monitors.

>>109777041
>buying random harman pos will give something that sounds nothing like harman

>>109776720
single ended DACs share the ground, such as the D1, which is inherently noisier

a balanced DAC sends the same signal twice per channel (once inverted) the difference between the 2 signals is 'line noise', which is then cut out, ie any potential interference/ground loops
this leaves you with an overall cleaner signal to add gain to with the AMP

it does not increase your AMPs capacity, the output will be louder though, due to the signal being louder at the input stage

anyway, why the fuck do you want DSD bypass if you don't know any of this
also none of it makes an audible difference, some very power hungry headphones (about 0.000000001%) may benefit from it

not saying it's not nice to have, luxury is always nice, only when you can afford it
don't be an audiofool, don't buy into stupid shit because you think it will give you some magic sound, it won't
>>109777078
t. kz castor harman target

>>109777328
ok thanks good to know. what's a good amp to drive the HE6/Susvara? I have neither but I want to futureproof my amp and have the mentality of 'if it can drive the HE6 it can drive anything (other than electrostats)". I'm choosing between A90, A90D, A50 III, L70 and maybe A70 Pro but that's a bit pricy. also open to other suggestions. the D200 is $300 so I don't want to spend more than $500-$600 total. if I don't need much power maybe the A50 III is good.

>anyway, why the fuck do you want DSD bypass if you don't know any of this
because most DACs, other than really good PCM ones like Chord's, handle DSD better, even delta-sigma ones because then the DAC has to work a lot less to convert a DSD than a PCM one, and a DSD bypass is even better because it skips the delta sigma and DSP processes altogether so the DAC does even less work. and most of my music is in DSD format and even my PCM I upscale to DSD on the fly due to reasons above.

>>109771849
dont have or want a smartphone

>upscaling PCM to DSD
the jokes write themselves here

>>109777328
>kz castor harman target
sounds nothing like harman once it hits your ears

>>109777450
not my fault delta sigma DACs are shit

>>109777467
>not my fault delta sigma DACs are shit
doesn't actually rescue the PCM to DSD argument. most modern DACs are delta-sigma because delta-sigma conversion is extremely effective at implementing high-performance conversion. “delta-sigma” isn't synonymous with “bad sounding.”
if delta-sigma DACs are shit, why does converting PCM to a 1-bit noise-shaped format before feeding the delta-sigma DAC make the DAC less shit

>>109777537
because CPUs are much better more efficient and more accurate at the conversion process than DACs are. for delta sigma it's much harder to process a PCM signal which leads to them working harder and using harsher filters. on my current DAC (no DSD bypass, but delta sigma) DSD files are smoother and less harsh than PCM ones, even when I upscale PCM to DSD.

>>109777598
>CPUs are much better more efficient and more accurate at the conversion process than DACs are.
why are you assuming the DAC's PCM processing is the limiting factor in the first place? modern delta-sigma DACs are literally designed to take PCM, interpolate/filter it and feed it into a delta-sigma modulator.
feeding it DSD doesn't make the DAC suddenly work less in some inherently higher fidelity way when it can simply select a different processing path depending on the chip.
if your particular DAC sounds smoother with DSD, that's because different digital filters/modulator paths produce different measurable behaviors. but that's the difference in implementations, not proving that PCM is worse or that delta-sigma DACs are shit. and if you're doing PCM to DSD in software, you're not removing the conversion, you're just moving the conversion upstream and you're also adding another processing step to the chain.
if you have measurements showing that your DAC's PCM path has worse distortion/noise/filtering than its DSD path, that's actually interesting. “DSD sounds smoother to me” isn't evidence that the DAC is simply better at DSD.

>>109759106
I boughted truthear pure because of your shilling and I literally cannot tell the difference between this and my gf random bluetooth ones or anything else I had in my life, do I have audition problems or is music just a giga scam ?

>>109777833
garbage in->garbage out

>>109777847
explain, I boughted a moondrop freedsp C converter with it and I broke after 5 fucking days.. also another complain is the hole in the iem is so tiny that it gets clogged with wax...

>>109777833
EQ or your ears are fucked

>que utg mellowed...

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haul of the week. dont know if my fiesta is coming tomorrow or monday though.
should i get a penon quattro? i mean, i have a 3dd 1pr on the DZ4. 4dd's sounds like fun.

>>109778581
>smooth nozzles
uh oh...

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red defiant came in pretty much as i clicked post.

>>109778717
Too boomy, at this point just buy normie vshape wireless anc headpos and stop larping that audio hobby

>>109778838
Nta, but shut the heck up

>>109778838
You're too transcoded

What if most IEM ‘technicalities’ rankings are just people ranking frequency response differences they haven't consciously identified?

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>>109779105
At least half of the techs is straight up hallucinations.

>>109779166
>What if we don't do correct burn-in and publish it?

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>>109779166
sounds like deaf person cope to me

>>109779166
which half tho

>>109777403
>ok thanks good to know. what's a good amp to drive the HE6/Susvara? I have neither but I want to futureproof my amp and have the mentality of 'if it can drive the HE6 it can drive anything (other than electrostats)". I'm choosing between A90, A90D, A50 III, L70 and maybe A70 Pro
thats a lot of chinkfi anon, it's one thing to buy chinese iems that are $20 but the failure rate of chinese planars, and amps/dacs is fucking unbelievable, not even susvaras avoid the chinese qc problem
but if your going to gamble on chinkshit anyways might as well just getting a dx5 ii,seen some ali deal last week where it was like $300 cad with coupons, guess you just have to hope it doesn't explode your $5k worth of headphones like that asr goy

>>109763931
Mental Illness.

What do you guys use to keep the files on your android based Digital Audio Player in sync with the music collection on your computer?

>>109779166
that's it i'm renouncing crinacle as my priest and turning to super review

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>>109779916
me?
It's tyll

>>109779756
Old version of syncthing because I'm using android 9 so my file system access is still fast.

>>109769277
I'm glad the IEM market is slowly moving away from weebshit aesthetics.

My custom EPZ are coming soon, pretty cheap (~$45)

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they look tasty

tws is so much better than wired, it's insane

>>109781818
I lost my WF1000-XMs somewhere and tbqh I never looked for them

>>109781870
the first XMs?

>>109781901
nah

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they look tasty

>>109781818
Not in the comfort. Or sound quality. Or appearance. Or latency. Or battery life.

>>109781930
>Not in the comfort.
just stop buying cheap crap?
>Or sound quality.
just EQ
>Or appearance.
you look like an outcast wearing wires
>Or latency.
2026 bruh, sub 50ms is enough for most non-competitive use cases and it doesn't matter for music
> Or battery life.
sennheiser momentum 5 you can replace the battery making it future-proof, and everyone can afford more than 1 pair, so you just swap when your main is charging

>>109782234
>just stop buying cheap crap?
Expensive crap is heavier and less comfortable.
>just EQ
Expensive crap actually combats your attempts to EQ.
>you look like an outcast wearing wires
You look like a goy wearing tws.
>2026 bruh, sub 50ms is enough for most non-competitive use cases and it doesn't matter for music
In 2026 every TWS still has over 50ms latency, most of them still have over 100.
>just swap when your main is charging
Humiliation ritual.

>>109782234
>>109782269

just shut up this is all bad faith slop
nobody is going wireless for the sound quality, nobody ever will

>>109782293
People go for wireless because their overlords removed 3.5. Not for any objective reason.

>>109782305

people go for wireless because unlike you and me, they do not and cannot live with a stack even if they wanted to, which they don't

>>109782377
They wouldn't need a stack if they had 3.5 in their phone, which is my point.

>>109782390
like I said

bad
faith
slop

fuck you

>>109782417
Until there's a TWS I can wear all day like IEMs it's not better than IEMs, simple as.

>>109782441
I can wear my TWS all day just fine

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After years of using wireless earbuds my last galaxy buds died on me, and honestly just want go wired again and avoid all the hassle of TWS despite the "covenience", what are the best cheap IEMs I can get? And a the best good and cheap DAC dongle for my phone.

I just read the eq guide. talk about sloppp

>>109782772
The day doesn't last 6 hours.

>>109772326
iems were never about comfort or sound quality.

>>109782920
bait harder

>>109782293
>nobody is going wireless for the sound quality
if you can EQ, your "sound quality" problem is solved, right?

>>109783186
*hiss*

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>>109782804
>hurr durr imma eq treble to perfection despite moving the pos 1mm shifts everything up
embarrassing

>>109782895
I put them in the case for 30 minutes

>>109783243
>don't have alzheimer's
>problem solved

>>109776720
>due to the amazing DSD bypass feature.
Realistically, you are never gonna use it. You will download a few .DSD albums, spend half an hour setting up a direct DSD playback on your computer (yes it is not that straightforward as it is not natively supported), realize that this has zero acoustic benefits but just makes the whole experience tedious and get back to normal PCM formats. It doesn't make a D200 a bad choice though, just the argumentation is weird.
>>109779166
They both graph like stock BA driver response you find in the datasheets, but Neon is a bullet-type earphone while HUM is a classic shell POS so there very well could be objective differences at the eardrum due to insertion depths.

>>109783225
they all hiss? is that what you're saying?
>>109783243
>despite moving the pos 1mm shifts everything up
.sounds like a skill issue. lucky for me, I don't have this problem and have perfect insertion depth every time.

>>109783186
I own most of the wireless flagships and I've listened to most of the flagships that I do not own

wireless is convenient but there is nothing out there at any price that comes close to even budget wired headphones.

>>109783763
you are brainwashed

>>109783243
pos with good fit doesn't usually move around you know

>>109783763
yeah this isn't even a real argument.
I asked about EQ and if that solves your "sound quality" issue, but that's only tonality-wise. what else about the audio is affected?
>nothing out there at any price that comes close to even budget wired headphones.
total exaggeration. you're saying the best TWS is worse then the worst wired IEM?

>>109783774
no, I have experience that you do not and never will. you are an imbecile and coping hard.

>>109783805
>I have experience that you do not and never will
nobody believes that "hurr durr I know everything" charade.

>>109783798
>the best TWS is worse then the worst wired IEM?

there are a lot of really bad wired IEMs
lets say that the best TWS is worse than the worst hifimans

>>109783243
>hurr durr I worship graphs even though the people making those measurements are just as unreliable and shouldn't be expected to consistently have every single IEM perfectly and accurately coupled if something as simple as insertion depth is so variable and affects so much.

>>109783825
I didn't ask about hifimans. I didn't even mention headphones- you did.
and the question had nothing to do with whether there are really bad wired IEMs.
are the best TWS worse than the worst wires IEMs?

>>109783805
>never will.
Me, personally, I've heard every single TWS out there, so you are wrong

>bad faith
>bad faith
>bad faith

russian hours
wonder what blew up

>>109783910
wat

>>109783528
>>109776720
The (delta/sigma) .dsd magic is for when you have AKM 4497/9

>>109784295
nothing is gained from DSD over PCM. no new "details" from the audio, nothing.

>>109784365
Ballzo...

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>>109784305
Agree no measurable difference in frequency reconstruction.
Clocking of the Bit Depth feels more impressive. I don't know what this domain even is.
The Neve console recording masters in .dsd over flagship AKM are remarkable.

>>109784398
hello?
>>109784459
“clocking of the bit-depth” isn't really a thing. bit depth and clocking are separate concepts and DSD is a 1-bit, very high rate, noise-shaped stream rather than PCM's multi bit samples.
I don't doubt that those neve DSD masters sound remarkable, but that's a statement about the recording/mastering chain and the particular master, not proof that DSD itself is responsible for the result.
my point still stands about DSD not providing any extra amount of detail in the audio itself that otherwise was "missing" or inaudible from PCM.

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>>109761217
So, is EDC Pro endgame or not?

>>109784687
Not with that faceplate.

>>109784687
not even close. it's like asking, "are AKG EO-IG955s with SpinFit W1 eartips calibrated to the PEQdB Diamond target curve endgame?"

>>109784687
if you know what minimum phase is, yes
if you don't know, keep climbing the ladder