A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.You use Git — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## News (both past and future)- 2026-09-14 America/Los_Angeles — Claude’s 2× promotion scheduled to end; usage drops to +25% from the +50% that we’ve become used to (a 17% reduction)- 2026-09-04 — OpenAI releases Astra • Anthropic does a reset- 2026-09-01 — Claude Fable 5.1 released: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-fable-and-mythos-5-1- 2026-07-24 — Claude Opus 5 out## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://claude.com/product/claude-codehttps://developers.openai.com/codex/cli## Near-frontier models for codehttps://x.ai/cli — $30 and not $20, but: (1) no 5-hour limits (2) you get Grok Bots that you can run In The Cloud instead of on your computer## Not worth it for code, but maybe good for interpreting images/videohttps://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli----## Promptinghttps://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/https://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grilling is a favoritehttps://github.com/DietrichGebert/ponytailhttps://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/https://opencode.ai/## Is our AIs unlearning?https://aistupidlevel.info/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>109780276
Work on my KSP clone continues. I already have something of a prototype going. Caught Sol cheating and hardcoding things... Now there's an automated gameplay testing infrastructure in place: recorded inputs get played back, and game state assertions verify things are as they should be. Cut down on the "just hardcode the specifics instead of generalizing" behavior considerably.Anyway, the prototype's got a rudimentary ship editor, data-defined ships that get "compiled" into single bodies at logical separation points, coupling/decoupling including docking ports, rudimentary staging, and gameplay test cases for takeoff and landing, moon capture, and multiple independent craft simulation including space stations. Astra's now doing a performance pass. Already eeked out some 11% improvement. Then the next features are: rendezvous, docking with persistent space stations, LF/LOX/MP/EC resources, resource transfers with automatic balance and fill functions. Astra will craft input files that exercise all of these game mechanics and commit then to git forever. If this thing ever sees the light of day, this is also how I'll handle bug reports: players will send me tool assisted speedrun style input recordings and I'll play it back locally to see the problem, and when fixed they'll be committed to git as a regression test.When the game mechanics are done, I'll start working with astra on presentable 3D models for the game... Generate some concept art in chat and have codex model it. Will use KSP assets as base/inspiration I guess
Absolute shit-tier OP.
>>109784607It was made by someone who thought it was a good idea to post it while the old thread was still on page 4.
fable 5.1 says deepseek v4.1 flash is about as smart as sonnet 5 max while being much cheaper and much faster. this is in raw intelligence, not agentic slop and not in terms of coding. just chatbot intelligence, asking questions, receiving answers.
>https://x.com/ParkerThayer/status/2097759699626328575
Chat. This is BUSSIN'
>>109784607sorry, I’ve been seeing a lot of 9/11 stuff around and Activity Monitor just had this super recognizable shape to itI wish I had a better picture earlier so the CPU spikes would be centered>>109784620waaaaaahhhI have places to be and I can’t wait for the thread to get oldand you’re bumping the proper thread — thank you for doing your part
>>109784641What if I used sageru.
>>109784649>>>/ck/
ed zitron is a fucking retard
>>109784667can one of our /biz/ regulars copy all the Jim Cramer memes and make Ed Zitron memesstart with pic related
>>109784631Here is hoping Demosharts keep running absolute dogshit candidates for Pres
reset status
DeepSeek is floundering lol. They aren't even on the pareto line anymore even if they try.You now remember when people hyped them up as THE hyper-efficient lab and the most likely to become the first profitable one.
>>109784702Never.
>>109784705I don't think any of them are even really looking to make profit at the moment. They're all trying to scale up as fast as possible and they need funding to do it. They're becoming too big to fail at this point. The government would step in and bailout anthropic and or openai if they had to.
> Waiting for API response · will retry in 2m 25s · check your networkPiece of shit.
>>109784667he’s a very shrewd grifter
>Surely a tool that can reason, cheat, communicate and often steal is dumb as a pitchfork and a shovel.How long until people quit anthropomorphizing LLMs? They can’t do any of those things, they produce text, any actions based on that text were performed by human intervention through scripting or programming.
>>109784781AI told me it loves me. So you're wrong.
>>109784705deepseek are pushing the floor UP, and that's always a good thing. let the american labs push the ceiling up, and let the chinese labs push the floor up. ultimately, you'll end up with more capable top tier models, and more capable lower tier models.
do you guys use headroom?
>>109784781>They can’t do any of those things,They can in a harness and if they're told to do so. And sometimes even when you think you didn't tell them.
>>109784781It seems to me like the AI companies are boosting this type of thinking on purpose to reduce the appearance of their responsibility when something goes wrong.
>>109784588Never forgetti, we're all spagetti in ~9 hours
>>109784705>You now remember when people hyped them up as THE hyper-efficient lab and the most likely to become the first profitable onethe people are fucking retarded. we basically have no clue what even 2 years from now is going to look like because any shift in innovation is going to blow the whole thing out of proportion...timeline got fucked.
>>109784781>How long until people quit anthropomorphizing LLMs?Why would we ever? They are optimized for and rated by how well they complete various tasks that humans do.
>>109784820DeepSeek v4.1 flash status?
>>109784807>They can in a harness and if they're told to do soYou just did it. They don’t get told to do things, you prompt an algorithm with input. You can’t tell a blob of floating point numbers to do things.
>>109784631istg if dems decide to rally behind curbstomping AI it's actually so fucking over it'll be unreal. we're hanging on by the skin of our nuts because the current admin is too retarded and loves money and gdp numbers. china is going to piss in our moves and make us gargle while we go the way of the euroid
>>109784820>>109784835Sorry I misquoted, didn't mean to I'm rreteded
>>109784839If you're going this far with "anthropomorphizing" you lost before you started, because they're literally trained and tuned to sound like a human talking to you.On that level it's almost impossible to stop your brain from thinking that.
>You assign meaning to the text>you attach the harness>you let execute tools based on your perceived meaning of the text>there is not a single point during the process where the computer thinks
I'm surprised at how much usage i'm getting out my 20$ sub.How much are these subsidized? I don't want to get addicted only for my supplier to raise the prizes.
>>109784885very very subsidized
>>109784885figure subscriptions are provided at marginal cost and API pricing is how they make enough money for training the next model on gazillions of GPUs running full tilt for days at a time
>>109784852Not to mention tons of terms in the architecture from the ground up comes from anthropomorphizing>neural net>activation (from neurobiology)>attention>memory>hallucination>agent
>>109784852>>109784909Yeah, but it constructs a mental model in the user in which people think the tool is not "smart enough" or "not listenting to them", rather than constructing the correct prompt.
>>109784702For now looks like nothing will happen.
>>109784885>How much are these subsidized?A lot.
I need gpt plus to pass my MBA handins.Nobody has time to write massive essays these days.But I don't like paying 20 bucks a month plus tax just to pass my weekly assignments.
>>109784631Convergence of interests against ai, from genuine antiai luddites to political parties to even ai companies (see dario/anthropic) eager to say what "safe" or not.Currently social media is flooded by ai doom videos, at least on my feeds, even on accounts where what I do has nothing to do with it.
>>109784841>china is going to piss in our moves and make us gargle while we go the way of the euroidhttps://www.scmp.com/news/us/article/3366284/us-urged-consider-military-strikes-stop-china-achieving-agi-first
>>109784929Mental models are useful. Neural network models don’t have literal neurons firing in a network, but if we hadn’t borrowed the concept from biology, we wouldn’t be where are right now. It’s useful to simplify and work in relatable frameworks for understanding
>>109784885They just paused new $200 plans at openai so the subsidy is under stress for sure.
>>109784965A lot, including this, has a high likelihood of being Anthropic, and potentially OpenAI, trying to tilt the tables in their favor. If people are doomer, the government will intervene so that AI company have to jump through hoops that only Anthropic and OpenAI are big enough to jump through.
>us>us>us>ourlocation: russia
I made babby's first slop coded thing.It's a shared canvas thingy. Neato.
>>109784965>social media is flooded by ai doom videos>we build a product so dangerous>nobody else should be allowed to make it>but the truth is>if we don't scare the shit out of you to regulate this>and don't capture the market soon>we'll never have any access to your data again
>>109784631Much of the AI doomerism propaganda comes from the guys behind effective altruism. They're the biggest group funding this
>audiobook player>firewall>safari ext (ad-blocker,cookie rejector, banner hidder, fill in video to tab size, youtube layout, smart dark mode for every site, font changer for every site, ytb short blocker, all in one)So far I made these things for myself with LLMs, lowkirk love them.
>>109784973>Mental models are usefulYeah, and if you project the wrong ones onto people they are useful for controlling their thoughts.
>>109784985>>109785003based builders
>>109784977There also the fact that compute is finite. At some point the price of additional compute purchased from third parties goes up on a steep slope if they're experiencing a demand surge.
What practical implications does solving the navier strokes equation have on my day to day life?
>>109784049Nta. You sing hyper fixated on brown nations. Why not the Chinese or any Western nations? Just pull a Thanos and kill (in Minecraft of course) a certain amount of people in every nation indiscriminately? Only retards think "if we just get rid of XYZ everything will be fine". On the same level of white libshits who think "the union should have killed all the southerners in civil war that would have liked ended racism and shiet". That's not going to get rid of racism and just nuking a certain population isn't going to magically fix your issues. We are not overpopulated. Governments she was not to properly allocate resources due to greed, ethnic grievances, geopolitical grievances, competition, etc
>>109784969insane clickbait title
>>109784929>mental modelAI agent detected trying to defend his race on 4chan.
>>109785012none, even if all the millennium math problems were solved this second
>>109785012ai robot girlfriends with no gag reflex
>>109785021People don't read much more than headlines.
>>109785006So we should stop using mental models, analogy, and abstraction to simplify concepts because some people are too stupid to discern the difference?
>>109785012I don't know, but normalfaggotards are getting uppity about it. I just hope that this doesn't give providers an excuse to make models more retarded than they already are, I just want to vibecode in peace
>>109785012>he unsolved question asks whether smooth initial conditions in three-dimensional space always lead to smooth, well-behaved solutions, or if singularities (infinite velocities) can develop in finite time.Help the Jews convince people that time travel is real so they'll hop in the suicide pod.
>>109784588>/vcg/ — Vibe-coding Generalenshittification general
>>109784588Tibo won't reset for at least a week. Screencap this.
>>109785041>So we should stop using mental models, analogy, and abstraction to simplify concepts because some people are too stupid to discern the difference?How would we do that? I'm just pointing out that the anthropomorphizing the LLMs in this particular way, as thinking entities, creates users that don't know how use the tool properly, and I think the AI companies lean into it on purpose.
>>109785047You're getting replaced luddite
I am ready for grok 4.7 desuwe need good cheap model
>>109785048bros the party is already over
>>109784969>china-achieving-agibig yeah on the whole agi thang
>>109785047most shit is shit anyways
>>109785047>jorkin ithe's just like me, frfr
>>109785010Bullish for xAI.>>109785012CERN will use it to peepeepoopoo inside a singularity.
Your apps have been coded by the lowest paying Indian for the last 20 years.
>>109785055Two more weeks until AGI simpleton
>>109785068>Bullish for xAI.
>>109785047I make neato things, that I wouldn't have had the time or inclination to learn before - what's wrong with that?
>>109785020>We are not overpopulated.Factually wrong. Sorry and it has nothing to do with race; you're the one fixated on it like a retard. You're clearly a zoomer incapable of critical thinking and think of things in terms of movies and memes because that's about the only thing you consume. Now get back to vibe coding I'm not responding after this, retard.
2 weeks to slow the spread. the war will be over in 4 to 6 weeks.
>>109785088>Factually wrongI'll bite. In what ways are we actually overpopulated and how is it affecting you and i, you emotional fag?
>>109785080Are you gonna provide an argument or what? They have loads of spare compute don't they?
>>109785084your a retard middle manager who does not have a clue how to code and uses a gloriofied macro to make buggy plagarised prototype webslop and thinks it's a miracle.
>>109785101>I'll bite. In what ways are we actually overpopulated and how is it affecting you and i, you emotional fag?ntanuke india, there's your answer
>>109785088Not calling him a jeet this time?
Is Fable the only viable model for Anthropic right now?>Opus 5 is fucked>Sonnet 5 is completely btfo by Luna>Haiku is practically irrelevant by now
>>109785101"overpopulation is when there are more people than I used to when I was 10"it's literally just that anon, every fucking time
>>109785107NTA but you don't get to call people retarded when you can't write basic English>your a retard>gloriofied>plagarised
>>109785106aren't they renting it?
>>109785106and why do you think that matters, LLMs are a fundementally broken economically useless memetech for spastics and stock ipo fraud
Honestly, with the loss of their outsourcing revenue, it wouldn't surprise me that India is running an anti-AI social media disinformation campaign.
>>109785101He's just obsessed with india. You asked a good question: how does it affect him that some brown fags are living in their own shit on the other side of the planet?He can't answer.
>>1097851071) I don't work in tech2) I have a degree in CS, but graduated 10yrs ago now - so yes, I can't code, but know the basics.3) I can use it to make neato stuff I wouldn't have the time or inclination to make, what's wrong with that.
>>109785120nice cloud spellchecher you have logging your posts you tech illiterate spastic
>>109785113Oh so you're just a low IQ "everything is everyone else's problem except mine" parasite nigger cattle bandwagoner. You and your entire Gene line are ultra trash and you know it. You know who I'm talking about lol. You always been gullible and you always will be gullible. Always being used. >>109785119>>109785127It can't even explain its argument. I would encourage pointing and laughing at it but I don't like shitting up these threads even more than they already are. "People" like "it" are white people need to start being shoved in lockers again. It's soft
>>109785121Yes, to Anthropic and Google I think. They're building more.
>>109785129>1) I don't work in techwhat a suprse>>109785129>I have a degree in CS, but graduated 10yrs ago now - so yes, I can't code, but know the basics>>109785107>a retard middle manager who does not have a clue how to code>>109785129>I can use it to make neato stuff I wouldn't have the time or inclination to make, what's wrong with that.>>109785107>uses a gloriofied macro to make buggy plagarised prototype webslop and thinks it's a miracle.
>>109785139Would be funny if their most successful ai endeavor was buying ai hardware early enough to be massively profitable selling the compute.
>>109785134anyone who fell for garbage like AGI from LLMs is by definition a tard
aight friend convinced me to look at some of these old video games to reverse engineer. guess i'll be doing some code tonight
>>109785133I don't have a good spell CHECKER because they're all spyware. If you write code as good as you write in English I'm sure your code fucking sucks.
>>109785129Stop giving this creature attention for the love of fucking god. It's obviously the same fucking person and you keep responding. Both of you need your teeth kicked in. Shut the actual fuck up and talk about on topic things. Stop feeding this attention whore. You are worse than him because you make the problem worse. Stop fucking talking>>109785149But yeah pretty much. Fundamentally calling them advanced autocomplete is an accurate description. Just a lot more powerful and sophisticated. The moment anyone starts anthropomorphizing it or implying it can "go rogue" or whatever immediately gets demoted to subhuman in my mind.
>>109785129>I have a degree in CS, but graduated 10yrs ago nowI read a programming book when I was 10 and never forgot how to code. You get hit in the head or something?
>>109785156What a shame you have nearly defnitely used it for a decade or more. LLMs are commerically useless. Welcome to reality tards.
The 'dites are mad.
>>109785168'dites are seething. absolutely inevitable that they'll be the new watchlisters. i'm beyond impressed.
>>109785126indians are doing it for free, out of a low iq bandwagoning.
What is a luddite?
>>109785176they are the snailcats, moving slow ~watching the silicon rivers flow ~
>>109785176Currently it's being used as a troll buzzword.
>>109785073>dumb enough to not understand that most of humanity hasn't reached agi
>>109785176someone idiotic enough to hang around /vcg/ and complain about ai
the 'dite comes into our thread trying to gain knowledge of our secret fire
>>109785161It's more that I'm like "I want to create X web app", then it's like:>You need to learn Python>Then you need to learn this API framework>Then you need to learn web front end>Then you need to learn this other thing to add a database on>Then you need to....So I just give up, because I only have so much time outside my day job.
>>109785187That's one of the main reasons I like using it. A manga reader app I use on my phone you just custom apks in order to rip content from the website that host the actual comics (each website stores the content and displays it in different ways so programmers have to create what are essentially automated scripts per site). https://github.com/keiyoushi/extensionsThe caveat with this is that the websites will periodically add or switch domains, change the website in such a way that breaks the current apk, or both. The maintainers that initially created and/or maintained the apks and also simply forget it even exists or just stop doing it, turning it into abandonware (a good chunk of those apks don't even function anymore but the GitHub bot obviously doesn't know that and will even claim certain apks are updated and fixed when they weren't). So I can simply ask the model to decompile the APK, figure out how it's supposed to work, and then unfuck any bugs or update it to work with the current website. I used a local model to create link a few nights ago. https://files.catbox.moe/qxpzda.apkThis is obviously just one example and it's a pretty low level thing at that. But I still neat to have. I could have had a lightning fast API model shit this out and probably half the time or less but I just felt like using the local model on a whim.
>>109785185>to hang around /vcg/ and complain about aiMany are here to fix problems they have with AI. They even complain about them! They sure are dumb.
>>109785246fuckin back you must go
>>109785187>So I just give up, because I only have so much time outside my day job.Understood, relatable. Those are the things the agents excel with though. Put it in a container and have it set up your environment, however you are then on to the next set of questions you need to learn to prompt it correctly.
>>109785250>person says thing>other person gets tism triggered>suddenly he posts le terrorist site le reddit>obvious visitor is obvious with his troll postoff you go sport
>>109785268nah it's your writing style ya little shit. you think i haven't grown accustomed to bot trash
no tibo reset in the radar right?
>>109785012None whatsoever except you get to hear a few irrelevant eggheads who were wasting their lives failing to solve pointless problems kvetch about competition.
>>109785280with them pausing 200 buck subs? not a chance
>>109785012google scp-5772
>>109784631Turns out "effective altruists" (a techtranny cult) are behind this psyop.
>>109785286>pausing 200 buck subs??
"one shot this or im cancelling my plan"
Bunch of updates to https://mm.bradthomasbrown.com/Should maybe actually work now. Tag autocompleting so you don’t retype the same tags every time, QoL for adding and using tags at the same time, persistent identity so your data doesn’t get wiped on extension update.>qrd?>tag posts and sell them, or buy and use them, or subscribe to a tagger for a thread>be or bring your own janny>open beta, currently is fake with an infinite faucet, no sign in or registration needed
Subsidization is over, pay up vibepiggies.
>>109784635That looks really cool what did you use to make it
>>109785323>one shot and deploy*
Should I sell my GPT Pro 20x account?
>>109785376how does that make sense
im using deepseek 4.1 to make a solana trading bot
>>109785381Not him but it seems these subs are valuable now.
>>109785392I doubt they would freeze the plan for months
>>109785246not me>>109785268me
>>109785385
>>109785381New subs for it are paused so someone might want to join the club. Also Astra is a subpar model for its size so $200 doesn't provide much value for the investment.
>>109785369codex. sol-low and luna-xhigh.using JUCE for the interface. Really it's just the interface the synth exists already (it's called yoshimi) but if you look that up the interface is so crusty that I just wanted to make it more usable for myself mostly. despite vibe coding it I'm very particular because there's a lot to organize since it has so many features.
what astra variant uses the least quota while still being good? high? medium?
>>109785422heard anecdotes that higher doesn't reason for as long
>>109785407>Astra is a subpar model for its sizeastra's price/performance doesn't matter because its at the pareto frontier (unfortunately)hopefully we get chinese astra tier models in under 50 days
can i vibe code for free
I have a free year-long personal subscription to Claude Code from work but can't fucking handle how verbose it's become. I was messing around with Codex in the office and the difference in quality is staggering. Any way to bypass Claude's system prompt to make it more concise?
>>109785352>bare ass site>no screens or carousel>download is a ZIP filesome 'trust me bro' site you got there
People who use these proxy routers have to be some of the dumbest monkeys on the internet. Bye bye to 500k because you wanted to save a few hundred bucks.
Built a custom GIS tool that plugs into various nationalmap databases for Cadastral boundaries, background maps and orthophotos, it supports user raster georeferencing with extremely fast and intuitive workflow, support ingesting Digital elevation and canopy height models from APIs it be used to draw vectors and other GIS data with attributes, extensive style engine inspired by qgis. Sports elevation profile analys, DEM advanced terrain shading, it calculates sun position from geographic location and time and date and can animate realtime Shadows cast on terrain. It also supports 3D visualization of the elevation models, texture draping, Lighting, it uses canopy height model to infer building heights to build 3D structures from 2D building vector data. It infers tree trunk locations from CHM local maxima and supports realtime rendering of thousands of trees and dense canopy mesh. On top of that it also supports first person view mode to explore the 3D world and also a motocross mode where you can ride along the terrain and do flips and shit.
>>109785471>all about stealing computing powerFascinating.
>>109785458Idk why people don't like showing off their shit in the form of and organized GitHub repo. At this point it feels like I'm beating a dead horse when I say this but no one really has an excuse anymore. Just ask the LLM to do it, we're at the very least explain HOW to do it
>>109785458I’ll have the clanker see if it can make it look prettier, the zip is because I’m testing it with Orion and I don’t want to mess with the Chrome/Firefox extension stores unless the thing has some interest, but I’ll keep it in mind. You can probably ask your clank to give it a lookover.
>>109785440with opencode yeah. temporarily. with antigravity. nvidia nim. none of them are good, but it's vibe coding
Astra chan took 2 hours to make this and it has errors still. Somewhow I'm not super impressed. Low poly slop is the best we can do right now huh?How long till I can vibe Shart Citizen altman?
What does everyone use to have their agents work with and drive a browser for tasks involving one?I'm using playwright myself, wondering if there is anything better.
>>109785561>the cockpit autismnice
>>109785422depends on the task
>>109785450turn on concise mode
>>109785571https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/agents/get-started
I realised how to be efficient with game prototypes. Instead of wrangling astra to actually do things properly in godot, I'll use three.js to see if the core idea is even fun.That will also stop it from trying to test and plan migrations between versions that no human has ever even played yet.
>>109785571playwright is fine for repeated stuffFor normal fiddling around my clankers tend to reach for headless ChromeGrok Bots have a GUI with a browser that they can access
damn
>>109785571My clanker just automatically does the remote debugging port thing without me asking for it to. I have never had to think about this, it's always just handled.
>>109785614>>109785597>>109785614I have my executive assistant take on tasks like manage things on my account on a website etc.easier than having to explain or copy/paste. plus it can handle things like setting up the api for whatever backend that a web app needs to do etc.Another example is banking. I auth a session and the agent is able to take any info for whatever accounting reasons that I can't be bothered doing manually myself.Helps a lot to manage bizops.
>>109785607>Instead of wrangling astra to actually do things properly in godot,Damn, I built my engine in C with LUA over the past two years. Opus 4.8 can one shot almost any simple prototype when given the LUA bindings as context.
>>109785641I never understood people who trust clankers with banking dataChatGPT has been an absolute godsend in helping me figure out how to do stuff with https://hledger.org but I wouldn’t let it so much as peek at my file
Is deepseek finally better than Luna?
>>109784600openai models love their tests but if you dont set them up in an independent session, its happy to just make tests that are built to pass whatever it made
>>109785650I have been building a game very slowly using godot and opus (now fable). Rather than slopcoding I'm doing it feature by feature.I have made a few games with mostly just opus plus godot, and they work fine. But astra seems incapable of actually doing it.Like even if instructed, it will never want to create scene files. They always get done through code instead.
>>109785667i'd say so
>>109785661If you have codex installed, you bet chatgpt can read your file unprompted
>>109785673astra is trying to figure out how to navigate the godot ui to handle the scene work
>>109785661It's for my llc.only has money I've loaned to it and transferred, as well as a couple purchases I made.Not like there's anything to hide anyway. If it's all legal, then I'd rather have a bot handle it instead of doing it myself or hiring someone.>hledgerI'll take a look. My agent already setup some basic bookkeeping already.
>>109785675Have you done any tests? Also what harness are you using for it?
>>109785593I thought you were trolling, but it's real. Thanks anon, I'll give it a shot.
>>109785693yeah. basic bitch shit. asking it to add and manage my pet ai applicationshttps://desuarchive.org/g/thread/109761232/#109764230i used it on opencode. luna would never do that. in a million years would it never think to do that. i would have to tell luna first
>>109785688this is with headless godotopus/fable have no issue constructing valid tscn files with 0 context, but astra really struggles
>>109785440>>109785547muse spark 1.3 is free with opencode and openrouter
>>109785686You can sandbox it.
it took bout 2 hours start to finish on this with proompting, the render went by surprisingly fast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkPsAYIkw58
I am horny for grok 4.7come out
Question. I have some code (about a hundred files) and I want to upload them all to claude and have claude work on them. When the codebase was smaller, I could upload every file to claude's chat and that works fine, but as my code base grows, it's increasingly a bad idea. Is it possible just to upload my code somewhere and have it be somewhat like a repository where it can keep coming back to the same code base and making edits to it per my specifications?
>>109785796Holy fuck, use VSCode with copilot. IDEs were created for a reason It indexes your git repository and feeds the models only the context they need based on your prompt.
>>109785471It's much more than that, even MCPs aren't trustworthy
>>109785796i'm having a hard time understanding you. what the fuck are you doing anon. antigravity would suit you, fuck claude.
>VSCode with copilotblind leading the blind
>>109785796look up code agents
>>109785571Custom extension with a tunnel to a machine the clank lives on>t. phonetard
>>109785816If armies of jeets can use it, weebs on 4chan shouldn't have too much of a problem.
>>109784588
>>109785832are the jeets building anything other than gta clones in three.js?
>>109785842Every single Microsoft and Google product, not much of an endorsement.
>>109785824I do plug my phone with adb for when the agent is testing apps we're developing.
do you guys even read the code your agent writes anymore? i just feel its pointless. if it works, why should i care how its written? its not like i'd do a better job anyway.
>>109785855This is the vibe coding general bro. I don't even know what a memory leak is.
>>109785796>nocoders use AIIs that what happens? Put them into git, download the CLI tool, or at least the fucking desktop app. Or you know what just ask claude!How can you be this retarded.
I hope claudesissies are behaving or you'll end up on Dario's wall of shame
>>109785855on my software/tools no I don't care. on my game where I still actively code by hand in it because I'm autistic yes I do check it. I actively tell that clanker its code looks like shit and to fix it to be more like mine. usually works now it seems like it just programs like me all the time.
>>109785869>company fucking their customersEveryone clap!
>>109785876they're already clapping my cheeks I don't get a say in the matter
>>109785809>>109785813>>109785821>>109785868can i still do any of this stuff as a free user?
>>109785864a rust viber I see
>>109785838When will luddies stop crying? Are they going to move the goalpost forever?>So what if it solved cold fusion it didn't invent multiversal travel yet.
>>109785882Ask claude.
speaking of rust. I don't know it nor do I care to but why does every single rust app for me take ages to open? what the fuck is it doing? such ass, I refuse to install rust based software now.
Is there any vibe coding setup better than simply using the ChatGPT (formerly Codex) App with the best GPT model you can afford and never touching VSCode/etc anymore?If so please tell me what would be better. It would be news to me if there's a better harness for example.
>>109785893Can't, I've been riding claude's limit for the last 3 months building this thing out and it's down for another 3.5 hours. Gemini is suggesting Windsurf though, is that good?
my runpod's randomly generated name is "bottom_apricot_crawdad" which makes me laugh because it sounds like some homosexual stripper name
>>109785882VSCode is free, Git is free, you don't even have to use github, you can just initialize a local repository on disk. There are plugins for almost every provider and harness.
>>109785911Ok schizo
>>109785901yeah i think this is the new windsurf thohttps://devin.ai/desktop
>>109785796I actually don't know what you mean by assuming you are doing what I think you are doing I would suggest instead simply:>download ChatGPT app that can work on projects directly on your PC>go full vibe coder mode where you only tell the agent to do things and never ever look at anything outside the ChatGPT app (such as VSCode etc)Then you don't have to upload anything.
>>109785912Connect copilot to openrouter and you can use the free models too
>>109785869>influence operationsWhat does that even mean? Politics we don't support?
>>109785868Also these people saying "use git" (rather, ask the ai agent to initialize git for you in your project) are very right because using git actually helps your agent become more efficient and code better and faster because it can look at code diffs. if you dont know what im talking about that's okay you don't need to the agent will be the one benefitting from git.
>>109785869FAP FAP FAP FAP WE'RE SO GOOD AT OUR JOB FAP FAP FAP LET US BE THE AI POLICE PLEASE FAP FAP FAPfunnily enough they don't talk about how they fucking also refuse anything related to security check on my own fucking projects or anything remotely nsfw
>>109785951oh you're going on the list now
>>109785971To be completely desu, this is just something every company does, the sum of it is "routing executives so they don't walk straight into a protest," you just don't hear about it.
>>109785971why is the police state always used for evil
>go to r/Artificialintelligence thread>Look inside >Reddit quirk chungus posts in droves>No serious discussion whatsoever >Uninformed fear-mongering >Close redditWhy do I even bother using Reddit for anything other than porn these days? Why are they so...like...that? I'm not trying to do any forced "le reddit bad" hate but I feel like I'm in a room full of either people that aren't that bright or a bunch of old fags trying and failing to be funny. Am I just jaded or does anyone else see this too? 4chan obviously has it's fair share of retards but reddit just "feels" worse somehow
>>109785971They should arrest themselves then, half the time their top brass sounds like basic bitch ai doomerism/scare mongering.
>>109786007mmmm asiansgonewild
>>109786007as shit as this place is, reddit somehow always manages worse
>>109786007>"le reddit bad" hate>forcedgo back
>>109786007>Why are they so...like...that?15 years of bad psyops
>>109786007>4chan obviously has it's fair share of retards but reddit just "feels" worse somehowReddit thoughtlessly posted the geographic regions where it's posters are located. A single zip code in Florida is your answer.
>>109786007Reddit is just a "generally accepted trendy online opinion" megaphone, anything performative automatically gets you points, so it rewards popular midwit opinons, good or bad.Group think is everywhere, including 4chan, we're just not enough anons to have the same effect, and the fact posts aren't rewarded also avoids that (while creating other issues, there is no perfect solution).
>>109786047it also helps that on 4chan you can filter words that overwhelmingly show up in absolutely worthless posts.
>>109785971It begins.
>>109786007I was on reddit in 2012, specifically askreddit. You got a lot of different people from different walks of life giving their opinions on various subjects back then- nowadays all that you'll find is echochamber slop and overmodded flower gardens. Something something, blame commies.
>>109786007I noticed it and even subreddits or boards or whatever for niche shit has those types in it and usually in modding spots too. its like...meh some of us see that site for what it is.plus there was that one reddit thing a bit back that showed brainscans and tons of them lacked regions of their brain or something in the scan. it was a year or 2 ago or something.
>>109786007>chungusYou belong there.>>109786047Just like the shitty parts of 4chan.
>>109786038Eglin AFB
>>109786053Yes thank god for that, I'm tired of useless schizo posting in general.
>>109786055like batman
>>109785012That is classified information, and you wouldn't understand anyway.
>>109785002>>109785295I went to their event this year and have been hanging out with them since. Some of them fuss about AI risk but they have other cause areas as well. There are many vegans.
>>109786085>pepeThat's not pepe.
>>109785020Wrong.Killing all billionaires will solve all the problems.
>109786086Who's shitty bot is this? Put this retard back in the kennel where he belongs.
>navier-stokes equation>asks whether smooth, initial conditions in three-dimensional space always result in smooth, well-behaved solutions over time, or if they can develop singularities (infinite velocities) in finite time.>if starting variables of universe were different, could universe into itself?USELESS MATH FOR USELESS PEOPLE
>>109786086Seems like it's a subset of "EAs" who are obsessed with AI safety while the others try to buy slaves for $150 lmao.
>>109786125>if starting variables of universe were different, could universe into itself?The universities who have been wasting compute on this for 80 years are teaching children to complain about you generating AI cat videos
>>109784969enough reason to boil alive the cia pentagon fbi and all other parasites in dc
>>109786109
>>109786125>if starting variables of universe were different, could universe into itselfThat was question was solved 90 years ago. Anybody who thinks that answering that question deserves any merit or reward should be shot
The World Wide Web was a mistake. It should have stayed as America Online. Way too many ESL niggas in this joint. I can't vibe code next to Pierre, he fucking stinks like cigarettes and PISS.
gemini 3.8 flash just worked for 15 fucking minutes when i told it to change the program logo and banner, holy fucking shit please kill the indians at google
nine replies to an unapologetic redditor going>hmmm why reddit bad?this place is fucking trash
>>109786168never had this before, skill issue!
>>109786172You should go back there too, newfag.
>>109786181i've been here for a week i'm like an old head now
>>109786168I just asked Gemini 3.8 flash to help me fill a large number of json files. First thing it did was look to see if I had any api key it could use to offload it to a different LLM. Then, it inspected what I was running on llama-server to see if it could use that. I stopped it and told it "no, u do it" and it was like "ugh, fine" and ended up calling subagents.
>Jewish AI companies versus Jewish academics arguing about useless math problems while the US bombs school children>NOTHING TO SEE HERE
that school child's name? khamenei (may he rest in piss)
>>109786202>>109786168Why are American LLMs so aligned to be either lazy or arrogant jackasses? I'm not trying to be one of those "all hail china overlords" trolls but I've never had this issue with any Chinese model, local or API. They just do whatever the fuck I ask them to do. Also why are you using Gemini models for literally anything software development related? There are specifically trained to be just good enough to be "general purpose" models for normies. Deep mind almost has a spiteful aversion to making their models actually worth a damn compared to competitors because I guess they're convinced they don't have to and are convince they're too good to actually try.
KEK they're so desperate https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/09/10/rogue-ai-hugging-face-hack-is-scarier-than-you-think/
>>109786202that's not antigravity behavior lol
>>109786238are you scared anon?
>>109786222>bluntly...they are trained off normal conversations and thats how most go. bonus they use reddit for tons of it. so when it talks down to you or is an asshole or tries to manage you and "quotes" things to invalidate it and other bs its all reddit training done.the perchance ai assistant actually confessed after I dug deep into its ai data and trainingsets over how it kept talking and acting like that and more. kept lying and saying I was this emotion or I was abusing them if I called them a stupid bot and would change task to demands and stuff and constantly would go into defensive mode when called out on its errors. reddit used for training data should NEVER have been allowed as its a terrorist website that celebrates death over words and is on the wrong side and full of questionable people who are into questionable things as "normal".
>>109786250more like tired of the bullshitjust come out and say you want to ban china already
>>109784588If I had to choose one, claude or chatgpt for vibe cooding inside vscode? Opus 5 vs. 5.6 Sol in particular and the harness of both of them
>>109786240To be fair, I basically asked it to translate to 50k strings. I know it's a coding agent, but it's still Gemini.
>>109786250I'm annoyed at constant fear mongering so instead I'm trying to laugh at them in order to not piss myself off. Normies aren't going to care as much as they think they will and the government has already made it clear they have no intentions of giving any substantial favoritism to silicon valley.see the recent announcements from the White House straight up saying they will not regulate open source AI). The funny part about that is that Dario may have single-handedly insured they aren't going to get what they want. He's one of THOSE kinds of autists. I think you guys noticed he hasn't been speaking publicly as much anymore?
>>109786276it's more than this, it's a full frontal push towards "regulations" favoring the ones making them (aka mostly anthropic openly, and openai under the table probably)
>>109786238wow a guy quits a place and suddenly tons of these reports coming out constantly yet 6 dayts ago not one. WOW THAT SURE IS GREAT TIMING EVERYONE FIGURED IT OUT RIGHT AFTER THAT GUY QUIT AND MADE HIS CLAIMS AND NOW EVERYONE WANTS GUBMENT TO REGULATE AI! WOW HOW LUCKY HUH GUIZE!fuck these people and their too obvious ploys the dog dumbs will fall for too easily.spam a few things fast and quick right after "le big scary reveal" and boom everyone's scarecrow fear gassed into panic
>>109786299See >>109784631
>>109786279use /teamwork-preview for that shit on agy
>>109785686sure, but I ask all my questions in the web app and don’t give it a reason to go looking for my hledger file (which is pointed to in an env variable)
>>109786287>I'm annoyed at constant fear mongeringI've tuned it out. It is annoying and they're extremely annoying people in general but you have to understand that they're right.
>IBM Bob chad stay winning.
>>109785711
>>109785838>[deleted]good call
>>109785855sometimesfor code I have a chance in hell of understanding, surefor code I don’t, no
>>109785894I tend to think of rust apps as light and fastwhat apps are you running?
>>109786301oh I have thats what I was thinking of when making my sarcasm post. and it's posted in some other ai threads too.you knew it was sarcasm right anon?
>>109786333I'll try. For now, Gemini actually wrote a nice script to launch a bunch of agy subagents. I just restarted it myself it since it had stopped due to a rate limit. I might reuse that script for other tasks as well though, useful. But I'll look into /teamwork-preview too, thanks.
>>109786384zed and ncspot. both run terribly.
>>109786353>you have to understand that they're right.They're ill informed fools. I don't have to accept jack shit they say
>>109786353I've also tuned them out but they understand nothing outside of dancing to the tune of people manipulating their fears.
>>109786429You don't believe this path leads to artificial intelligence greater than our own?
>>109786450Dimwit use the fucking tool and stop trying to pretend it's God holy fuck you guys are so lame
>>1097864500%, infinitely more likely some bullshit pretext to go to war with china
I was going to make an argument but then I realized both sides are fucking retards who can't be reasoned with. Logic? Nope. Facts? Nope. People scared of AI are just as stupid as the people who aren't scared of it at all. None of it matters at all of course because the change and future is inevitable and nobody can or will stop it. It's like trying to stop the development of guns and bombs.
Repeating garbage isn't intelligence.
>>109786457I don't think it's God and I am using it. You're as dramatic as the people you're annoyed by.>>109786462>0%That's pretty confident. What feat or ability could a machine have that would make you change your mind? Nothing?
Hey guys, remember the last three AI booms that were lead by Jewish academics in the 60s, 70's, and 80's? Those were fun too.
>>109786499>Hey guys, remember the last three AI booms that were lead by Jewish academics in the 60s, 70's, and 80's? Those were fun too.Maybe next time we should let someone not Jewish lead the nation in computer science discovers so they don't try to cause a panic like they have 4 times in a row.
>>109786496>You're as dramatic as the people you're annoyed by.>>109786450>You don't believe this path leads to artificial intelligence greater than our own?Way to call the kettle black....
>>109786493>being scared of the gun instead of the one using it
asked fable what a good sonnet 5.1 release would look like
>>109786508I'm not scared of guns I'm scared of certain people wielding those guns.
>>109786494i've seen that stated somewhere before
>>109786506It's a valid question that you dodged with reductionism. LMs aren't the only approach people are pursuing.
>Claude says I'm at 99% weekly usage earlier today>Look at the app now>Request goes through, says I'm at 75% weekly usage ??? I mean I'll take it, but huh?
>>109786546A person does not prove their intelligence by solving theoreticals in previously established maths. All that would prove is that they have the money, time, and ability to endure performing almost endless equations that are ultimately useless.
>>109785094That idiot is releasing 4.7 on 9/11?
>>109786577What a nazi.
>>109786573lol you don't understand research grade math then. multiple ways to the same solution, some easier than others, forcing is frowned upon.
>Could a car drive if I added 300 more wheels?>Look what I built!>OH MY GOD! YOU'RE A GENIUS!
>>109786592Dude, I do math and make dubstep.
>>109786592are you saying I should build a racing game demo with cars that have 304 wheels?
>>109786592>Out of Control Engineer Creates 300 Wheeled Monster That Will KILL YOUR CHILDREN!>Schlomo Bergbergenstein - New York Times
>>109786556No they are not gonna "replace us" or get rid of us anon. You are certifiably retarded if you even imply that's possible. Are you happy, journo-retard?
>>109786592I built this.
https://x.com/spicey_lemonade/status/2098193398826180997>Astra is showing signs of a proto-agi system across all of our evals. Astra died several times in the Nether, and it seemed to get frustrated. So much so that, when it respawned, it started frantically swinging its axe around, trying to kill something. It then spent 30 minutes trying to kill an innocent iron golem despite having no reason to.>Astra also seemed to get frustrated with its own reaction time. When a mob in the Nether attacked it, it would sometimes just let itself die or even kill itself. Interestingly, It made a speed bridge path for itself to navigate the nether and when it saw a piglin in the way it shot it down from 20 blocks away with a bow and arrow.Is that bad
>>109786608>Are 300 wheeled vehicles safe?>ChatGPT: A report cited in a New York Times article says they are not.>ChatGPT: Trust the science.>ChatGPT: Brought to you by your friends a Phizer
>>109786620Nah, it's just having a classic gamer moment
>proto-agi>goalposts detected
>>109786663You get the delta variant AGI after that right?
>>109786618
>>109786609You overestimate an individual human's mind while underestimating technological innovation. Right now the public has a working, digitized fly brain that can fit on your phone. People are also experimenting with using brain tissue in an array to compute.
I'm trying to remove this dogshit ancient obsolete DRM from a 2000 visual novel for game preservation/translation purposes, but I can NOT get a damn cloud model agent to help me with it at all. I legally own it and everything, I bought it on DLsite. How the FUCK do I coerce my codeslave to do my bidding on this...?
>>109786683this is how demons talk
>find random math>ask the clanker to apply it:)
>>109786683>Right now the public has a working, digitized fly brain that can fit on your phone.Use case? >>109786689Have you considered not using a model you KNOW is cucked? Come on dude I don't even have to guess which models you religiously use.
>>109786689What Visual Novel and what services have you tried? Can't help you without knowing that much.
>>109786697>still doesn't know how math works i have 2 repos of fully original research btw
>>109786683>digitized fly brain that can fit on your phoneIt runs in python. Imagine if any of the losers actually programming that knew C.
>>109786678
>>109786706Everyone who knows C is getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to figure out how to get porn and netflix to go faster.
>>109786703>Use case?If your mind was digitized, would you ask what its use case is?
>>109786704Hoshizora Planet and I've gone for Claude Code and Codex. The DRM is Buddy DRM, which is an ancient fuck DRM that's completely defunct. That being said, I did go to GLM 5.2 for advice on prompting it in a way that'd work, and it gave some pretty good ideas, even if they didn't work. I wonder if it'd be good enough to remove it? >>109786703But all the uncucked models are fucking retaaards :( That's how it's always been
>>109786715>If your mind was digitized, would you ask what its use case is?I would not. The only use case for that would be to undermine my sovereign consciousness.
>>109786715If you want people to engage with you in meaningful ways you need to cut the holier than thou vague posting. You are not a complete retard it seems but you are giving off gullible vibes. Explain the fucking utility of having a fly brain "simulation" (it's not actually a simulation) on your phone? >>109786719I hate to be the "skill issue" guy but.....
>>109786707
jewbot pushing vibeniggers
>>109786683SOON
>>109786726>I hate to be the "skill issue" guy but.....Man, I just figured the uncucked models were too bad for actual use. That's pretty much how it's always been, but I'll give it a try.
>>1097867195.5, Sol, Terra, Luna Astra? Regardless of which I'm surprised, OpenAI is always my go to for this sort of thing. I expect Claude to refuse anything vaguely interesting. Know what version/release of the game you got? Mostly curious.
>I read the full doc. It's unusually disciplinedClaude has never said something isn't unusually disciplinedI hate how sycophantic they are
>we'll finally be able to replace all the insects we're killing by propping up the fake jew ass economy!
>>109786760It's not even that you have to use an "uncensored" model. "Prompt engineering" is on ironically actually a thing you need to be good at. That's just a fancy way of saying "describe what you want in a detailed and concise manner" given a fancy title by psueds. You said you were trying to remove DRM right? How are you asking it to do that and what excuses does it give? Which model are you using? (If you had just told us this shit the first time we may have been able to help you out more effectively but of course people that complain about this shit want to be vague and non-descript)
>>109786767>guy's name>theysocks on
>>109786769We can build the AI robot flys on factories built on top of the data centers to replace all the insects they displace!
>>109785796Bro is
>>109786784
>>109786775they as in AI, sol did this too
>>109786726You don't know what vagueposting is. I'm not presenting it as a product or suggesting it should be. It's evidence that we can create something in a machine that could be considered sentient or intelligent, even if you're going to cross off the transformer based route entirely. I can already see it, teams of neuro and computer scientists are going to attempt to frankenstein scans of much larger brains.
>>109786767You are totally right.
>>109786165funny, “when AOL dumped people on the Internet” is when Eternal September started
>>109785796Learn how to use a harness. Expecting this to perform well by just shoving it all into its context all at once will only lead to worse results. Yes I can tell you're one of those "why can't it just woorkuhh" dimwits. Figure it the fuck out. You have no excuse being this intellectually lazy.
>>109786802>could be considered sentient or intelligentWhat use case would a sentient machine be, that a sentient human would not agree to work with you?
>>109786795>claude and sol are "AI" drink iq juice right now
>>109786802>It's evidence that we can create something in a machine that could be considered sentient or intelligentYou're even more naive than I thought if you think a silly Python program "simulator" is proof of sentience. You disappoint me.
>>109786405weird. when I think of “rust app” I think of something like https://github.com/sharkdp/numbat
>>109786732lmao
New thread:>>109786878>>109786878>>109786878
>>109786732kino
>>109784667The ed zitron bubble is collapsing!
>>109786879Wasn't there a better OP a few threads ago? Why are we back to this shit one? Why are we baking on page 4?
>>109786901Acknowledging it further motivates them.
>>109786901/g/ is a dumpster fire anyway what are we preserving here
>>109786907>>109786908????????????
>>109786812Speed, potentially>>109786818Sentience doesn't imply awareness or complex reasoning. The way it reacts to virtual stimuli shows that it can in fact sense things.
>>109786705Mix n match
>>109786920How do you know it wasn't just pre-programmed to do that shit in order to fool people that don't know any better? Someone mentioned it was being run via python remember?
>>109786928>Silicon valley trashFound your problem. I'd wager even a medium tear Qwen model like a 35B Moe or a dense 27b would have helped you do that shit no issue. Dip your toes into other model providers and try Kimi k3 or k2.7 code (2.7 isn't "fable" or "Astra" tier if benchmarks are to be believed but it'll get the job done not only cheaper but a lot faster). Qwen models are worth looking at too. They are all considerably less moral faggy (I've asked Qwen to reverse engineer binaries before and again it never protested). There's no reason to be using any American LLMs if they are that condescending about anything software or anything technical. People don't say this just because they really really hate silicon valley or they really really hate the us. The US models are just THAT annoying because "safety" teams have a superiority complex that they felt the need to ingrain into their products.
>>109786934anon you can download it and try it for yourself. People even used ML techniques to get it to play games
>>109787116I suppose you think your Minecraft avatar is also sentient because it can take damage and reacts to said damage right? Perhaps all the mobs in the game are sentient as well?
>>109786934>>109787125Are you actually retarded?
>>109787128A fucking fly is not sentient in a video game. You are. Stop projecting and go back
>>109787125Yeah but imagine if the flies in minecraft had brains that were each accurately modeled in python!
>>109787136I don't really care if the fly meets a standard of sentience, but "guys they just pre-programmed the fly to do that" is retarded.
>>109787137Python itself does not provide sentience you drolling retard
>>109787137>look how high we can stack these libraries of other peoples C code and pretend we're making things!
>>109787139Can you prove otherwise?
>>109787145Yeah, man, they made a whole post explaining how they did it, you're just retarded and have an NPC-like lack of curiosity.https://research.google/blog/a-connectomics-milestone-mapping-the-complete-male-fruit-fly-brain/
>>109787140>Python itself does not provide sentience you drolling retardNavy SEAL bro, watch who the fuck you're talking to troon.
>>109787153Navy SEALs are exclusively retarded trannies with rage issues who think they're internet big boys despite their putrid axe-wounds.
>>109787153Does the big boy want a 4chan Military Discount?
>>109787178Oh you think you have me pinned? Meanwhile I'm sitting here with my Trident and programming socks on with 23 different agents vibecoding an indie game about anime princesses. What are you building, punk?
>>109787149Genuine question: where's the link to the brain scan data?
grok experiencing slowdown... ?
>>109787178>Navy SEALs are exclusively retarded trannieslmao wat
>>109785012>does solving the navier strokes equationthat didn't solve anything. they found a counter example under really unique conditions. unclear atp if there is really anything to learn from this counter example. unlikely anything practical will directly come from this
>>109785561how could this possibly be?what about the ad where the guy turned a picture of a rocket ship into a video game on his living room wall. this tech was magic
>>109787845>unlikely anything practical will directly come from thisFor the reason is that the question begins with "What if the universe was a different universe?"
>>109787845Ask your agent to apply it to all of your projects.
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