>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

Tier-list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/
German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

>HDR related
Game fixes:
https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods
https://github.com/KoKlusz/HDR-Gaming-Database

OLED news:
New stripe RGB QD-OLED panels with higher maximum brightness releasing in 2027 (DisplayHDR True Black 600 certified).
https://global.samsungdisplay.com/31456
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-new-odyssey-lineup-for-fast-paced-gaming-at-gamescom-2026
https://displayhdr.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/DisplayHDR_Chart_2026-July_Full_Table.pdf

>>109803073
>build new pc
>decide to keep the ole rtx 3080
>keep getting VIDEO TDR ERROR crashes
troubleshooting says its a driver issue, but all is up to date
Now i've changed the TdrDelay in winreg hoping it will fix the issue
Weirdly the error never happened when gaming but only when watching Youtube videos

Is the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U for 610 dollars a good deal? It'll be my first OLED panel, what should I know beforehand?

>>109803257
the video encoder/decoder is failing. as for why its complex. cache issue in browser, unstable undervolt, different windows service is hogging it (steam/moonlight streaming)

>>109803257
Probably needs a repaste

>>109803257
New PC using AMD CPU?

AMD's iGPU seems to be a constant cause of issue when using an Nvidia GPU for some reason, but you can just disable it and it shouldn't cause any issue.

>>109803411
>>109803413
but why would it fail? it worked fine on my old machine
Maybe its some other issue, if the winreg eddit doesn't work i'll put in a 4070 i got laying around

>>109803438
when you update or downgrade your gpu driver the cache inside the gpu folder is cleared but not the browser folder or actual other directories. you have to do that manually. the easiest way normies deal with it is by deleting the profile folder and then syncing back all the lost data through the cloud or the local backup shit if the browser has it.

>>109803357
>Is the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U for 610 dollars a good deal?
It's okay, been out for around two years now.
I think I saw some 32" 4K QD-OLEDs being discounted to around $550 (not 100% sure), but I wouldn't wait to save the $60 at this pt.

>It'll be my first OLED panel, what should I know beforehand?
Some people don't like the text fringing even at 4K, you can get used to the difference after a week or so.
Check review & owner feedback to see if there's any Gigabyte-exclusive quirks related to panel protection or some other concerns like switching between SDR & HDR modes.

>>109803450
i didn't update or downgrade my gpu driver
i build a new system, using a perfectly fine working rtx 3080

>>109803508
>i didn't update or downgrade my gpu driver
then start there

>>109803508
Nvidia DRIVER issues since you are using the latest. It's not a /g/ meme. It's a real problem.

>>109803519
i just got the latest gpu driver on the new system, there is nothing to upgrade or downgrade
its the same driver my old system used a few days ago and it worked fine

>>109803357
The QD-OLED panel can scratch easily, basically don't touch it.
Spray distilled water on a microfiber cloth to clean the panel from time to time.
Cough away from the display.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Support/Consumer/FAQ/4362

>>109803473
>been out for around two years now.
have better options been released since?
>quirks related to panel protection or some other concerns like switching between SDR & HDR modes.
I haven't seen much complaints about these online

How annoying is the pixel clean? Apparently it's 10 minutes every 4 hours. Is this really necessary?

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pc keeps crashing getting this. Is it my psu I just built my pc. Postin here before I order a new psu I have a 5600x and rtx 3070

>>109803596
Ur fugged bruh i ran dat ish thru hoodAI and dat shit be cooked my man u need a grapu

>>109803585
>have better options been released since?
Not to a significant degree, and they usually cost closer to $1,000.
The 32" 4K panels releasing next year will have stripe RGB subpixel layout with higher maximum brightness (350 nits minimum full screen vs. 250).
Those 2027 QD-panels won't be bested for a while, it will require adopting new production technology like MAX OLED.
Expect those new monitors to cost around $1500 or more.

>How annoying is the pixel clean?
You might have to plan your breaks around it, and manually start the pixel clean to prevent the annoying notifications to pop up when you're occupied .

>Apparently it's 10 minutes every 4 hours. Is this really necessary?
Not for most users, but there's no way to permanently disable this option as far as I know.

I got an MSI QD-OLED, and they basically gave you an option to hide the annoying reminder (remind and force pixel clean after 24 hours of non-stop use, monitor enters pixel clean after the 4 hour mark if it enters standby mode).

>>109803634
Looks like it's not really worth waiting indeed. There was also another gigabyte for 50 more, mo32u24, but out of stuck now. It's slightly brighter, but I typically tend to have very low brightness so that's not super important for me.
>I got an MSI QD-OLED
Which model?

>>109803682
Bought the 271QRX in late '24 for $600, got fed up with IPS blacks & VA wasn't a good alternative.
32" 4K 321URX was $800, but I prefer having higher refresh rates and I'm treating this monitor as a trial run before I buy a 4K one in the future.
Happy with the purchase because every game looks better compared to edge-lit IPS.
Wasn't impressed with any of the miniLED monitors available in 2024.

Here's an extensive article about the new panels available next year.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/oled-rgb-stripe-panels-explained-should-you-wait

people told me to wait for this year's black friday and cyber monday sales but my part list already went up by $200 from last month...??? u-um, bwos...?

>>109803705
>people told me
You listened to the wrong people. Even Intel CPU prices are rising.

>>109803705
That's why you don't listen to the voices in your head and take your meds

>>109803713
I fackin' knew I shoulda just gotten a 5800X3D and a better cooler instead of making a brand-spanking-new build!!!

Why is out of box ram limited to like half speed, am I good to put it to 6k?

>>109803742
The stock memory speed & timings follow JEDEC standardized specifications.
XMP / EXPO is an overclocking profile supported by Intel or AMD.

>am I good to put it to 6k?
XMP / EXPO should work fine for most PC builds.
Below average CPU bins or inadequate memory profile validation by board vendors can cause instabilities.

>>109803742
Because your 6000mhz ram is overclocked from 4800mhz

What do people use for benchmark, user benchmark?

>>109803846
Passmark

>>109803844
So explain how they get away with these advertised frequencies, can I just oc any ddr5 ram to 7200 (6kMHz is apparently the golden number for x3d so I won't do that)

>>109803846
Cinebench r23 for pure CPU benchmark. Overclockers use CPU-Z's benchmark as well.
Newer Cinebench weighs RAM performance (plus GPU in some options).
3DMark for gaming benchmark, Steel Nomad is a 4K raster test included in the free version.

There's a lot more benchmarks if you're interested in enthusiast stuff (y-cruncher, pyprime, etc.)
BenchMate has all the stuff enthusiast overclockers use.
https://www.benchmate.org/en

You want a clean, debloated Windows OS drive if you want to be sweaty with all this.

>>109803858
Faster RAM speeds & tighter timings require voltage adjustments for the RAM modules & the CPU's memory-related voltages.
Don't change settings you don't understand, especially if you have an X3D CPU (they benefit less from memory OC).
You need to check whether the speed/timing/voltage changes you make don't cause any instabilities.

XMP / EXPO is supposed to apply a stable memory OC with safe voltage changes applied.

>>109803858
JEDEC defines baseline standards that are lowball as fuck.
Samsung, Micron etc make chips that are at least as good as the standards but most of the chips turn out way better.
Kingston etc buy the chips, thoroughly test them, make ram sticks out of matching sets, test again, and guarantee the sticks work at specified XMP speed (in their perfect lab conditions)

But memory controllers in CPU and motherboard PCB quality are only made to match JEDEC standards.
By enabling XMP you are "overclocking" your memory controller and bus which may or may not tolerate increased speed.

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lol what a retard

>>109803985
Linus also now selling fake PTM
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/uX4IHK0ixS

>>109803858
Gskill got sued over this issue in 2018 so they have to properly advertise the true (base) spec of ram now

>>109803858
Hynix 16gbit a-die and 24gbit m-die does 7200mhz speeds given enough voltage.
A-die is available in 4800mhz and 5600mhz speeds while m-die is rated only for 5600mhz

dumb question, is it a problem if i use the same cable to power up a HDD (main for now) an dthe rgb stuff? its a long cable with multiple power ports so I was wondering, to make the cable management easier

>>109804386
sata power cable was made to do just that so it doesn't matter

>>109804408
thanks

if i want to check if everything is ok with my new gpu what should i do? played games for few hours and everything feels ok but gpu is far from 100% utilization so probably some kind of benchmark should be ok?

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Asrock's fancy thermal shutdown psu cable just burned on a rtx6000 pro ws blackwell

>>109804436
DLSS5 on is supposed to look slightly scorched, bigot

Any knew monitors coming out that I should look out for if it is my first oled monitor I'll be getting?

what was the program to test HDD status?

>>109804746
crystaldiskinfo aoi edition
crystaldiskmark aoi edition

Why are there so few mini led monitors and especially ultrawide ones. Trying to find an ultrawide IPS mini led monitor but they don't seem to exist

>>109804766
There is a lot of mini led monitors. Ultra wide is a fade that has died down across the board. Most people don't have a use or want for ultra wide.

>>109804792
I have an ultrawide va monitor right now and love the aspect ratio and immersion but the ghosting and black smearing isn't pleasant. Was hoping to find a better alternative

For windowsfags, do you guys refresh your windows install? If so, do you do it every upgrade or every so often

>>109804763
very cute anon, but im on linux

>>109804884
Gsmartcontrol

>>109804888
oh thanks, was about to ask this on the other thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxvuvZI6Vjg

It really is a shame they opted to use "nba" game as the first dlss 5 implementation.
I never want to see footage of that garbage again.
The video itself spends a lot of time focusing on artifacts that are basically invisible in the video as it switches between modes for 1 second to showcase boiling artifacts dlss5 on/off that get compressed by youtube. Im sure they're prominent when playing a game urself but here its goofy.

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I DEMAND a define one in xl, solid black and at least 2 (two) usb c jacks in the front io.

>>109805193
would those little side vents really be enough for air flow

>>109805286
rule 1 of fractal define club is that you don't talk about airflow

>>109803073
these threads sure died like fuck lol.

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>>109803073
talk your shit
send your (you)s
>>109804436
>buying buttrock
>>109804841
fuck no, maybe if youre a radeon homo

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>>109805193
found a define xl r2 on fb market last year, but all the peg legs are fucking missing for some reason

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>"bro you can't undervolt an X3D because of the L3 cache!!!"
>mine is stable on -25
Ooops!

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>>109805415
you know what type of issues you get apart from clock stretching when undervolting an ryzen chip even if it stable on paper? you get random usb, pcie and io errors. the system will run prime95 just fine but in day to day use with load changes it's going to become the ayyymd meme.

>>109805475
I know, but I haven't had any issues for a month after intensive use, I think it's gonna be fine. If not, -20 is also great, but my previous 7600X was able to do that, so I guess it's nothing extraordinary.

>>109805496
Frogfag is retarded. It always comes to silicon lottery. UV can also get unstable because chips degrade over time. My 7800X3D is running at -15 all core because I didn't bother to manually check every single core to make more aggressive UV. Then there is curve shaper if you have too much time to tinker with your hardware.

>>109805631
>chips degrade
they don't unless there is a design defect or you are pushing them past their limit. degradation is not the default.

>>109805639
slop-kun...

Does undervolting gpu cause any problems? I've had undervolted my 5060 ti for months. It runs perfectly fine 99% of the time, but I feel like it has a slight change to crashes certain games. I just don't know whether it's because I have an issue with my gpu, or it's because I undervolted

>>109805683
dial back to stock and see if it still occurs for those games. could also be a known occurrence on those titles too; may need to check.

partly why i never bother with per-app profiles and just leave everything untouched -- don't got time for that these days.

>>109805657
They do degrade.
CPU will require higher voltage to achieve the same frequency.
This is why you have so much safety margin built in and you can UV to begin with.
It's not a matter or "if" but "when". I'm not saying it will happen in 2 years, it's a slow process mostly irrelevant for a normal user.

>>109805286
Depends on what kind of cooling needs you have. I have a Fractal Define as my server case and airflow isn't really an issue.

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Is this not seated properly? No matter which side I push in it doesn’t click or feel secure. I don’t want to push any harder and break it. Everything else works fine.

>>109805853
By this I mean the usb c header thing

>>109805683
those games pushes the gpu harder and exposes the slight amount of instability created by your undervolt

>>109805875
>>109805696
Thanks. I'll tone it down a bit. just to make sure

whos the resident schizoid?

>>109805997
Schizoid and schizophrenic aren't the same.

>>109805997
intel users

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>>109806006
I'd buy intel if weren't for the fact that their life cycle wont last for more than one, indian fucking shits

>>109806023
if you cared about the life cycle you'd be using linux and an amd gpu

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Any opinions on Dell Plus S3225QC? It's on sale where I'm from (~$483, for comparison Dell Alienware AW2725Q QD-OLED is ~$719). I was thinking of replacing one of my monitors (Dell S2721DGFA, my second monitor is titan army p275mv plus), and I'm considering trying OLED and switching it from 1440p to 4k. It'd likely be my "main monitor", so the one I game on and do most of the browsing, so with 5070ti I'll have to go on DLSS hard from what I understand, while secondary one I watch movies, work, and also browse on when I want multiple windows. The soundbar seems annoyingly big and useless for me, but not a deal breaker. I'm also worried about the ports and with just a single HDMI port, I can't really comfortably switch it around so that it's my secondary one, as swapping to the work laptop would be annoying. It'd cause my monitors to me of different sizes, but of the same resolutions as currently it does cause some programs to behave oddly when swapping them between screens.

>>109806023
lga1954 will be a 3-gen socket if things turn out as planned
that will be better than am5 which only has 2 more gens of cpus left

>>109804436
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIEL7FpUP1k
bz has a video on this

>>109806142
Not him but do we know how many CPU PCI-E lanes that platform provides?

>>109806152
nope. if lga1851 is anything to go by, it should have at least x16+4+4 gen5 cpu lines and x8 gen4 chipset lanes

>>109806162
x16+4 gen5 cpu lanes*

>>109804436
oof. i worry about mine constantly.

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>>109806058
my x230 runs on ubuntu but thats all the time & effort I can afford Mr. IT dept. I got a business to run & bitches to corral, Im happy for you though
>>109806142
I wanted an ultra 7 2070k plus but the z890 platform is so ass

>>109806193
lga1851 was also supposed to have 2 true gens of cpus but core ultra 100 (meteorlake) got cancelled
i'd take intel's own roadmaps with spoonfuls of salt

>>109806193
*270K*

>>109804436
he should have been using the included official splitter

>>109806374
that's worse than a native cable
the connector simply sucks

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so this is the power of raytracing

>>109806422
do you have one? its really well made :)

>>109806435
that's cope and you know it

>>109803858
>So explain how they get away with these advertised
It's a heavy mixture of slippage (people not even enabling it or not RMAing when it fails), and very clear concessions to compatibility and longevity.

It's actually something that really annoys me about the PC industry because XMP/EXPO is purely the product of the DIY market and there are basically no standards of reliability or standardized profiles (e.g. each vendors "6000mhz CL30" has different timings). Actually using the shit requires an insane amount of faith in the company selling you the shit. Which I really don't anymore.

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>>109806548
>Actually using the shit requires an insane amount of faith in the company selling you the shit.
Just ask your AI to sanity check your settings
And then ask another AI to sanity check the results of first AI

>>109806586
Would you trust those settings to hold for 5 years?

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>used 32GB AI GPU for $600
Everyone told me GPUs were super expensive, what's the catch? OK obviously it's used but still, isn't that a bargain?
Planning to do some local AI crap for shits and giggles.

>>109806642
the catch is that it doesn't have cuda

>>109805713
>It's not a matter or "if" but "when". I'm not saying it will happen in 2 years, it's a slow process mostly irrelevant for a normal user.
I feel like amd has a pretty good winning process, but yeah depending on the sku you'll get more or less degradation. Degradation itself is a factor mainly taken into account by either server cpus running nonstop for years at a time, or the premium high voltage cpus (9950x and 9850x) cpus for amd. The 13900k and 14900k degradation is just retarded though. You'll probably see the same shit on 9000x amd cpus in 4 or 5 years albeit.

>>109806653
I understood CUDA works with AMD cards since last year.

>>109805713
>>109806663
>people now accept CPUs degrade after a certain amount of years rather just being as reliable as a brick.
The "schizos" where apparently right.
God I hate the fucking sheeple in this hobby.

>>109806684
>make gates smaller
>it gets more fragile
get a coffeelake if you want something that lasts forever

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>>109803073
>We're very sorry Sir, thermal grizzly kryosheet (38x38 mm) are still out of stocks
close the shops then you worthless cucks

>>109806694
Here we go again with the gaslighting
>i-it was always obvious
When peeps have been pointing out even on AM4 with CPUs dying if you dare use them, but we where just lying, being Intel fanbois or schizos apparently

>>109806722
there's no gaslighting, you simply had your head in the sand in regards to silicon longevity and smaller nodes

>>109806609
XMP or the ones AI hallucinated? Because I've been running XMP on 4x32GB DDR4-3200 on X370 motherboard for 5 years with zero memory-related issues.
>5 years
If it works it works, just run a good test sequence for a week before assuming it's stable. Chips can behave very differently when cold (just booted) vs warm (normal operation) vs hot; some erorrs are more likely to occur on switch from idle instead of on constant load, etc.

>>109806741
>The people who pointed out this shit years ago are the ones with the head in the sand

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>>109806653
>he does not know

>>109806642
>what's the catch
32GB is not even close to practical use like vibecoding, only good for ERP. You need multiple such cards or lots of RAM and wait 30 minutes for simple questions.

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>>109806742
I've ran XMP on a 16GB (8GB x2) DDR4 3200 CL18, B450, Ryzen 5 2600, and it would occasionally ran into a boot loop (no BIOS), most of the time I'd solve it just by reseating the ram modules, weird stuff

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What am I in for

>>109806868
loud gpu because swift uses shit fans and a shit fan curve

>no dp2.1 cord

What absolute jewery now I have to wait all day for one to come from Amazon

>>109806881
just use DSC or lower the hz

>>109806879
Should I do the deshroud mod? It’s already coming off on the box graphic

>>109806881
>DP2.1 in the box
>It's 1m
Thanks for nothing faggots.

>>109806889
>voiding your warranty already
>>109806896
max reliable length for dp2.1 btw

>>109806901
>max reliable length for dp2.1 btw
but that's 2m

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>>109806906

>>109806901
I got 6.6ft cablematters did I fuck up

What's the "average" audio chip looking like these days on mediocre motherboards? I have a dedicated PCIe sound card and was wondering if I should I bring it over to my new build.

>>109806933
That's the one I have and it works at 80gbps/UHBR20 as advertised

>>109806961
they're fine but sound cards are always going to be better

>>109806961
alc4080 and alc4082 has static buzzing and audio pops while the less commonly used alc897 and s1220 are perfect
if your board has the former two, you'd best use the pcie sound card instead

>>109806961
youre an obtuse dick rider

>>109803073
having to upgrade my wifi card, anything I should know besides "Ethernet is better"

>>109806999
ethernet is better

>>109806961
The average audio chip goes unused/disabled because normies are using Bluetooth audio.

>>109806961
Can you use a pcie sound card but just connect usb c directly to your headphones?

>>109806999
Buy anything that says Wifi7, update to Windows 11

>>109807017
USBC goes through USB audio drivers instead of PCIE audio.

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>>109806972
>>109806982
the motherboard I'm looking to get is a cheap B760 intel motherboard for 12th gen using the ALC897 but if my sound card doesn't have a problem, it's always a solid backup.
>>109806993
Thanks faggot
>>109807007
Guess I'm not a normie. I'm using wired Beyerdynamic headphones.
>>109807017
My headphones are 3.5mm jacks

Pic related is what I'm looking to bring over. I've had it a while now and the knob connector/controller spoiled me.

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>>109807037
more like ASSBLASTER! LMAO!

>>109807023
Is usbc audio ‘good enough’ for headphones now?

>>109807037
that looks ancient but if it has working drivers, sure, why not

>>109806961
imagine using "sound card" instead of external DAC/AMP combo or even cheapo dongle. State of g without any good audio general

>>109807077
according to Google it does have drivers for windows 11
>>109807080
it works. I'm not an audiophile and if this setup had anything like whine or feedback or bad quality, I'd 100% just buy a new external DAC. But at this point it's not an issue so why spend more money?

Anyways, rate
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7K36qd
>CPU is from eBay
>buying 2x new optical drives because they're getting rarer and more expensive
>cooler and fans because I don't want to worry about temps or longevity of fans
>keyboard is 1 of 3 I got from eBay for $10 a pop brand new

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>>109806780
>ERP
Enterprise resource planning?
>You need multiple such cards or lots of RAM and wait 30 minutes for simple questions
So. Slapping two of them to the same PC means I can run models requiring 64GB of VRAM?
Also wtf's the connector on the top of the card?

>>109807279
>Also wtf's the connector on the top of the card?
that muscle dystrophy OP

>>109806424
That game doesn't look good enough to warrant running at 30fps on a €600 GPU.

>>109807336
that can be said about a lot of games

>>109804947
>Niggers Bouncing Around
>>109806424
30fps is enough to enjoy a game
It's modern gamers who have unrealistic expectations

for modern day use and gaming say at 1080p using every possible tool available (upscaling, AI frame shenanigans, you name it), would a DDR3 system be able to hold its own at a playable frame rate? From what I could research and priced on eBay
>i7-4790k - best DDR3 gaming CPU - $50
>4x8GB DDR3 1600MHz - $60
>Z97 motherboard - $50
>GTX 1080 - $100

>>109807386
>>i7-4790k - best DDR3 gaming CPU - $50
>>4x8GB DDR3 1600MHz - $60
>>Z97 motherboard - $50
just build on am4 at that point

how did we let nvidia and amd get away with rdna4/blackwell? there was literally 1 gpu that improved over the previous gen which is the 5090 (basically doesnt even exist). the 9070xt isnt even better than the 7900xtx.

>>109807386
You're not saving that much money over the cheapest Ryzen 5600 build and you're losing half the performance, those old Intel chips aged like shit

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>>109807412
>the 9070xt isnt even better than the 7900xtx
first time?

>>109807412
what do you want me to do about it

>>109807412
9070xt is basically a refreshed 7800xt that's 40% faster, at least in die area. Rdna3 was just bad and didn't make full use of what tsmc 5nm offered
Rtx5000 is refreshed rtx4000 with newer IO blocks and better clockspeeds
Both of them are disappointing because there was no die shrink to 3nm which has the biggest impact on performance for GPUs

>>109807451
>because there was no die shrink to 3nm
More money to be made elsewhere in the cutting edge nodes, gaming is now N-1, N-2 node material.

>>109807439
coincidentally i owned all of those. shame they didn't make a reference model.

>>109807462
3nm just wasn't ready in time in terms of yields and capacity. otherwise, blackwell DC would have been on 3nm

>>109807436
>>109807436
from pcpartpicker I can find
>ryzen 5500 - $75
>cheap MSI B550 board - $75
>2x16GB kit of whatever DDR4 is cheapest on eBay - $140
>same GTX 1080 as before for $100
Solid build? Really trying to cut corners just so I can play relatively modern games. There's a new world of warcraft coming out that I want to play with my friends. Maybe some other shit with them too. Would be 1080p.

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Uh the card sounds fine maybe it’s the other fans?

>>109807064
USB polling has a ton of delay on Windows because your mouse/keyboard/everything else has higher interrupt priority than your audio device.

>>109807439
My 5700xt is still going strong for 1080p gaming.

>>109807451
n3 was pretty shit desu n2 is already looking a lot better with the new iphone chip

>>109807470
I'd look for WoW benchmarks on the 5500 and the 5600. If the 5500 looks good enough, you can save some money getting an a520 motherboard

>>109807470
a lot better than the old one and still has an upgrade path with the 5800x3d and a better gpu in the future.

>>109806684
just reduce the Ryzen boost by 200MHz if you're that scared

>>109807521
i'd probably get a msi b450 board with bios flashback. i heard those were good but maybe you can't buy them new anymore.

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I thought these hot spot temps were supposed to be in the 90s what gives

>>109807386
>>109807470
GTX 1080 can't do AI or any of the new features but it's fine for WoW/FF14 1080p mid.

>>109807542
Because you're idle? X3D is the one with hot idle not GPU.

>>109807521
from my reading both the 5500 and 5600 are meh compared to the X3D chips specifically for World of Warcraft because of the lack of cache. The 5500 will be even worse because it only has 16MB of cache to the 5600's 32MB let alone the 96MB on the X3D.
>A520
The cheapest A520 is only like $20 cheaper than the cheapest B550 so I might as well just get the better board. 4 RAM slots, VRM heatsinks. The other has neither of those.

I might just spend more if not doing so means I have a shit machine. Fuck, it's really not possible to build a decent machine for like sub $1k anymore huh.

>>109807542
here you go
https://geeks3d.com/dl/get/830

>>109807507
i sold mine for 140 bux. it didn't cut it anymore at 3440x1440 but it was a good card.

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the rainbow smear look that matte coatings have is pretty disgusting from up close
are you telling me glossy doesn't have that?

>>109807620
Glossy looks better but also smudges/scratches more.

>>109807566
Not downloading that but I’ll enjoy my sub 50 temps 4k gaming

>retard doesn't know what furmark is

>9850x3d
>5090
>1080p720hz oled
Yep its gaming time

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Noctua fans don't wireless daisy chain in 2026

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>>109807436
>those old Intel chips aged like shit
older i7-chips are still good. they come very near 10th gen i3 4c/8t chips and zen 2 ryzen 3 4c/8t chips. don't buy i5 chips from this gen and expect them to hold up as well.

>>109807386
should be fine when compared to an entry level build especially when overclocking, the system ram, cpu and gpu. I think ETA-Prime has reviews of systems like that. The parts are old though so may be lacking in modern software support, not having TPM is going to goop some games with anti-cheat protection.

>>109807560
>The cheapest A520 is only like $20 cheaper than the cheapest B550
Seems good, pay attention though, some cheap B550 boards are much worse than A520 motherboards that sell for $20 in pretty much every metric other than having a better chipset.

>>109807620
>>109807642
Basically this.
It's a tradeoff that cant really be solved. Ether you get a shiny screen that's scratched over time or you get a matte screen that's worn out and smeared over time. Theres no way around it without some ridiculous crystal and glass engineering. I think the best bet over extended use is a hard glossy finish thats easier to clean but companies prefer matte for better picture quality and production upfront. Good luck cleaning a matte finish without seriously fucking it up.

>>109807412
moores law is dead bruh and ayymd didnt want to waste wafers to CoMpeTe

nv also needed 600w to CoMpeTe with themselves

the question is, is every hardware release be accompanied by some fiasco every time or will things just work

>>109807676
I legit wonder what the engineering problems are with just scaling up the scalers to handle 4k 1000hz
is there an actual reason for the sandbagging or are they doing it on purpose?

>>109807722
If only they made gorilla glass in monitor size instead of phone size.

>>109807722
>Theres no way around it without some ridiculous crystal and glass engineering
He says this when literally every OLED phone is glass and is resistant to scratches even from metals.

They don't give you glass because it saves a buck in cost and shipping

>Inb4 it's impossible to make glass screens at a desktop size
Chinks did it for my 22 inch touchscreen secondary monitor

>>109804436
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1wey2hf/truly_space_age_engineering_from_asrock/
>Had a customer come in with this today. RTX 6000 Pro (currently about 15K) and an Asrock Taichi 1650 PSU. Connector failed catastrophically on the PSU side and was melted to it. Both sides were connected 100% flush and the thermal probe was plugged in. Thankfully the GPU survived but if you look closely you will see the thermal probe they lazily slapped on this model is on the wrong side of the 12v cable (its touching the ground side). Needless to say it did nothing and did not catch almost murdering a card the price of a used car

How the fuck are people still buying asscock

>>109807737
I dont believe moore’s law is dead because laptop/phone chips are still showing crazy year on year improvements, i guess those have the benefit of being on the latest nodes though. The consumer desktop market just isnt a priority for anyone i think.

>>109807737
>I legit wonder what the engineering problems are with just scaling up the scalers to handle 4k 1000hz
HDMI/DP limits
DSC at absurd compression ratios looks awful

>>109807722
>cant really be solved
I don't believe that at all

This is not the case with TVs or phones
They just gyp the monitor market with fragile hardware at ridiculous prices because they can't make extra money selling all your data if you buy it

>>109807770
Laptops are just as stagnant as Desktop.
Phones are legit innovating mainly because of massive Vulkan adoption.

>>109807509
N3 is the most advanced finfet while N2 is unproven gaafet
Inb4 N2 chips running above 1 volt have massive degradation issues within 2-3 years of use

>>109807791
OLED monitors produce a better picture than anything else what are you talking about they only neglect monitors because the market is so small

>>109804436
People with access to PSU testing labs already said these solutions are gimmicky.

>>109807509
qc's 3nm snapdragon 8 elite was heck of a lot better than the 4nm snapdragon 8 gen 3 in mT and average SoC power draw so I'd say its at least half a generation better than 4/5nm

>>109807823
and OLED TVs and phones are nowhere near as fragile as OLED monitors they can make them way more robust so they won't scratch to shit

>>109805713
There is no “built in safety margin” for OC/UV. There is no guarantee that your chip will undervolt and many of them don’t. My card isn’t stable with even a -5mV undervolt and it’s brand new. Any amount of degradation would kill it within the warranty period, most likely, since the margin is so thin.

>>109807620
>the rainbow smear look that matte coatings have is pretty disgusting from up close
can you show a picture of what you mean? on a glossy qdoled I got insane light reflections chromatic aberration/color vibration/rainbow oil spill type looks from just looking at a completely solid color red/green/blue, It's not from the panel itself, it was from the plasticy coating, I believe that in part is what gave me eye strain, not the subpixel arragenment

compare that to the Samsung 32" 4k qdoled with the matte, it does not have that rainbow abstraction level color when you looked at it from angles up close, like the picture appeared more solid color, like a normie lcd, and it was way less eye straining too

I don't think all qdoled monitors uses the same panel coatings, can't be? atleast I don't think so, atleast Philips coating behaved liked that

like, you are trying to look at a solid color full screen, but you can't focus on it AND it gives eye strain, because the color is shattering to all different colors in the coating, very strange shit

something had to be wrong with that coating, and It did not have a protective peel on

>>109807722
I've never ever "worn out" a matte lcd lmao
they come pre scratched bruh

>>109807842
samsung glossy qdoled tvs have the same plastic coating as the monitors

>>109807855
it sounds like your undervolting software is doing something funky or your silicon is just plain defective. i don't believe modern vrms are quick enough as to be able to completely stabilize silicon with just 5mv more voltage

>>109807872
I’m using the Adrenaline (the offficial app) just like everyone else and the card is rock solid at stock voltage. Some of just lose the silicon lottery and there is guarantee you will get a stable undervolt.

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>>109806881
>>109806896
>>109806901
>>109806906
>>109806916
Club3D is another reliable cable brand, founded by GPU & display schizos.

>>109807878
5mv is too low to be considered a buffer
If that's really true, your card would be unstable in an environment that's 10C hotter.
I suspect adrenaline is undervolting more than what the UI says it's doing, or it's also silently changing some other setting like max boost etc. that instantly makes your gpu unstable.

>>109807772
>HDMI/DP limits
I forgot the limits
but 4k 480hz should already have been achieved but dp2.1 monitors barely exist so
they are coming
4k 700hz is doable too
4k 360hz coming soon and it will require dp2.1 after that i guess 480 after that 680-700
they are still sandbagging because this is already doable

>>109807770
it's dead Jim

>>109807882
Club3D cables are much nicer than displaymatters for sure
But they tend to cost a bit more too

>>109807770
its been dead for every node released after tsmc 16/12nm since they started costing more $ per mm2 than older nodes which previously reduced $/mm2 every node shrink

>>109807870
>I've never ever "worn out" a matte lcd lmao
>they come pre scratched bruh
I have one on my floor that's well over a decade old that is definitely on its last legs. The only thing thats left of the finish is in the corners. It's pretty much all gloss now. Even bother cleaning it with a cloth i just spay it down and wipe it with paper towels when it gets dusty (it's on the floor).

>>109807900
I’m not saying that you’re wrong and you sound like you may know more than I do. However, I’m not sure there’s anything I can do about the issues with Adrenaline if you’re correct. Also, plenty of people use Adrenaline to undervolt successfully, so it must work correctly at least some of the time. Perhaps moving to Linux would help? Thanks for giving me something to think about.

>>109807872
AMD has silicon management features to silently increase the base voltage over time
>i don't believe modern vrms are quick enough
clock stretching handles transients

>>109807882
Level1Techs recommends Club3D for DisplayPort cables on their KVMs, so I presume they are in fact good.

>>109807959
No need to spend so much, Cable Matters makes high quality certified cables for 1/2-2/3 the price. Never had a problem with a single one of their products.

>>109807932
>clock stretching handles transients
that only makes it more unlikely that 5mv less voltage would cause problems. i'd put money on adrenaline being buggy and causing instability than anon's silicon crashing from just 5mv less voltage

>>109807959
I imagine they're just tested and binned better than regular cables. Probably have some agreement with another manufacturer to grab the high performance cables.l before they're branded and packaged.

>>109807882
That packaging just screams of some guy sitting in a warehouse house benchmarking thousands of cables.

>>109807982
the GPU can't magically "detect" that the voltage is too low, there's a fixed offset programmed by the firmware where clock stretching occurs
and many RDNA3 cards shipped with negative margin, you would have to underclock them or increase the voltage beyond stock to stabilize them
wouldn't be surprised at all if AMD of all companies shipped a GPU with only 5mV margin

>>109807931
maybe try to DDU your drivers and undervolt again, or try undervolting in a clean windows install or linux distro and see if the -5mv undervolt causes crashes. if the behavior is consistent, then you're right in that your silicon is at the edge of stability and cannot be undervolted

>>109807999
iirc there was a bug with early rdna3 drivers which caused gpus to boost too high (>3.1ghz) and crash
also a similar thing happened with early agesas on the 7950x3d where something like 3 in 4 cpus were unstable in fma3 stress tests at stock and months later amd silently nerfed the boosting behavior in later agesas

>>109804436
I think it's time we admit 12VHPW was a failed experiment and move on.

Just so you know gpu undervolt can also be unstable because your cpu is too fast. Vsync may cap the 3d render scene but games often run the 2d parts uncapped (hello New World blowing up RTX cards).

>>109808051
screw the 12v standard. It's time for 48V

>>109807842
How the fuck do you scratch your monitor? Just use a microfiber cloth and some monitor cleaner are you retarded

>>109808062
screw cables, the motherboard should just plug into the psu and be able to supply 1200w through the pcie connector and cpu socket

>>109808043
>iirc there was a bug with early rdna3 drivers which caused gpus to boost too high (>3.1ghz) and crash
still plenty of cards that crash at stock boost clocks, we've been over this before
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/image/GAY56J6ixGAVMTC4Hi3NOw
>7950x3d where something like 3 in 4 cpus were unstable in fma3 stress tests at stock and months later amd silently nerfed the boosting behavior in later agesas
right, they had to nerf it because the y-cruncher dev called them out
none of these companies give a fuck anymore, NVIDIA has similar problems with ampere and obviously with intel there was the whole raptor lake situation

>>109808058
stfu AI slop bot

>>109808062
We could do 12v if we just had a pair of gigantic wires instead of these tiny fucking pins, but noooo, nshittia had to have an ~aesthetic~ connector instead of a functional one

>>109808058
rtx3000s blew up because nvidia doesnt care about designing reliable vrms and aibs just ate it all up without doing reliability testing

If I build my setup on a 5800X3D, how much time do I have until I can no longer cope about not building on AM5 while I still had the chance?

>>109808315
Like 5 months because zen6 and novalake is gonna wipe the floor with am4

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>go into bios
>increase bclk
>boot
>check hwinfo
yep
>return to bios
>increase bclk again
>no POST
ok
>clear cmos
>load last profile
>try to change bclk again
wtf
>greyed out
>stuck on auto
>can't change bclk anymore
ASROCK WHY MUST YOU KEK ME REEEEEEEEEEEEE

wait is 4cuck censoring sensoring cuck to kek now

>>109808380
I wouldn't wish ASRock on my worst enemies

cuck

Hiroshimoot is KEK

>>109808328
at 1080p low settings***

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HIROSHIKEKBOIIIIIIII

>>109808403
>now
frogposter is retarded, shocking no one

>>109808403
cuck = mods

>>109808380
Be lucky you even have bclk at all. Lots of vendors removed it.

Only play VR. Have a 6600 AMD. Tree fiddy dollars. Can sell my 6600 AMD on [spoiler]Ebay[/spoiler] for a hundred and eighty. Could then buy a 9060 XT.
Wait for Black Friday sales, or upgrade now?
Will have maybe five hundred by Black Friday, and about several hundred while selling my 6600 AMD.

>>109808656
Save and buy 9070 then flash into XT

>>109808684
Just watched a year old video about flashing an XT bios onto a 9070. I'm not a brainlet...but this is getting closer to surgery. I'm not a doctor.
Probably just going to wait until Black Friday...then buy whatever AMD GPU to my maximum spending limit.
Maybe I'll find a more recent video. How do I flash without open computer surgery? Is there software?

>>109808739
If you're playing VR, you should absolutely not go for an AMD GPU.
Steam frame is 2160x2160 per eye, for a total rendering of 9.33 million pixels.
4K is only 8.3 Million pixels.

The 9070XT is not a 4K card, and FSR still sucks and has limited supported. DLSS is really your only option there. It sucks, but there are some applications where AMD is just not suitable, and VR is one of them.

>>109808765
Not trying to have too long a conversation...but vibe coders, and Meta conformers are releasing remakes...and spiritual successor sloppa for years. An AMD with fixed, perimeter foveated rendering dips toes into the UEVR flatscreen games...while completely rendering the rest of the games.

>build pc
>fresh install windows 11
>crashes
>turns out 1 ram stick came in broken, gives like 100 errors in 2 minutes of memtest
Will get it replaced
Should i do a clean install? (it will be bazzite btw because installing windows felt like a humiliation ritual)

>>109808859
I'd do a clean install because you can't be certain how much data was affected by the broken RAM.

>Will get it replaced
If it's Micron you're fucked.

>>109808859
yeah pls reinstall your os. silent data corruption is no joke.

>>109808923
Its Corsaar but i'm European so it shouldnt be too hard to get my money back at least and buy a new kit
i do get some video tdr errors while browsing/watching youtube (strangely not during gpu/cpu stress tests or gaming so far), reinstalled the drivers now and see if that works, if not i'll just install Bazzite

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shitter here, need a new cpu (+mobo) for poe+wow. Everywhere says the 98503xd is the play but the benches say there are 6 or 7 better Intel cards. That's useless in reality right, just get the amd?

Have 11700K+3080 on 64gb of ddr4 atm so I'm guessing I gotta get ddr5 for the newgen mobos too

>>109809005
>11700K+3080 on 64gb of ddr4
you dont really need more then that unless your current cpu/mobo is dying

>>109809005
just get a 5800x3d and b550 motherboard. Reuse your ddr4 ram going to am5 right now is not worth it at all.

i'm upgrading my psu from a 650 to an 850 and the current cable-managed power cord is 18 gauge while the new one 16 gauge. both are rated for 300v and 105 degrees c

can i just use the old 18 gauge cord so i don't have to undo all of my cae management??

>>109809080
no you can't mix and match psu cables

>>109809080
never reuse PSU cables. The only cable that is standardized on the market is the 12VHPWR.

>>109809080
wouldnt risk it

>>109809044
idk this cpu has sort of disappointed me from the beginning in high-end content on either game. I'd tried diddling with UV/freq since it peaks at 80C but it doesn't make much difference

>>109809061
I'll check it out thanks, think the ddr5 would cost more than the CPU at this point

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Legit meta question
Do people consider it "bad" when things are available freely?
I bought some components recently I was waiting to be released and it was so fucking refreshing to not have to wait the femtosecond it was released to fight bots, or wait for month long restocks that disappear instantly or give into scalpers, etc.

It was as easy as just going to a shop on day if release and press buy.

It's something you hardly see anymore.

>>109809114
idk what the fuck you're on about lil bro

>>109809114
availability at MSRP isnt something bad. Bots and scalpers can go to hell. If anything sucks it's the release date itself. I've seen some stuff from ASUS being 'released' just to take months to actually show up in stores here.

>>109809005
wait for zen 6 cpus that launch with 12 core ccds in q1 2027
you get something from selling the old ram and you only need 32gb of ddr5 which gives you better perf in games

>>109809103
for poe/wow i think a x3d cpu is the best way to go, and the 5800x3d is more than enough to max out the 3080.

>>109809114
covid really fucked up everything permanently

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Do you add heatsinks or fans to your NVMEs? I've seen so many reports of them running very hot and failing.

>Considering upgrading to a 6090/6080 when they come out.
>Know it'd be a horrible experience battling scalpers and other bullshit.

Do you think if I just rock up at Scan when they're doing the conference, wait for Jensen to say "6090" and ask the woman at the counter to order me one, I'd be in for a shot?

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>cheapest 5090 is $6000 dollars

>>109809253
get a NVIDIA CMP 170HX and unlock it to 64gb on linux

>>109809253
>could have boughterized 5090 FE
>sold now
>got all money back plus profit
>bought 5070 Ti and kept an extra 1000$€ to spare plus full 5090 cost

>>109809226
you either queue up on release day and get one or get lucky online or wait for the restock and pay the scalper price (from stores) or you wait just a bit when they dip to MSRP then you buy, then they will go up 200% in value again
people didn't believe when I said 5090 was the best value gpu.....
mayube I should relaly have boughterized a new pc last year after all...I would have made a profit on everything after all

>>109809290
4090 was better cos it was actually readily available at msrp for a lot longer, i dont think the 5090 was ever sold for msrp barring fe cards which arent even made anymore

>>109809290
>you either queue up on release day
I live close to the store, so I could do that.
My play is that I can get a 6090 or something and then sell my 5080 (Which I got for below MSRP) whilst the 60s are out of stock and make a pretty big portion of my money back.

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think I'm gonna go with this as a reasonably cheap 1/2 year patch over my 11700k, thanks fellas

>>109809103
Do you need 64 GBs of RAM? Because 32 GB's would keep the cost of a comparable DDR5 system pretty close to that of a high end AM4 one. Assuming that you're selling off your LGA1200 set I could see the AM5 system do well in a $/frame analysis.

>>109809061
>am5 right now is not worth it at all.
5800x3d is the best cpu on AM4 in its niche but it's not good value for money. A $100 7500F on a $80 B850 with $200 16GB of ram is a whole AM5 upgrade kit for a system that's competetive with a 5800x3d system at the cost of a little over the MSRP of the AM4 chip.

>>109809198
No. I've never seen any of my NVMe drives generate any meaningful heat.

>>109809323
>4090 was better cos it was actually readily available at msrp for a lot longer
You could get a 4090 for under MSRP.

>>109809198
the ones with dedicated DRAM or on the backside of your motherboard where there's zero airflow are worth doing that

>>109809198
It depends. If you got a high wattage GPU then thats 350-500w are dumping straight onto it.

>>109809198
its a scam
maybe if you have a airtight case with almost no airflow it could be useful, but you'd run into other problems first

>>109809634
You know what's not a scam? Ram coolers.

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>>109803073
SFX or SFX-L for an ITX case?
picrel for your troubles

How much do I need to spend on a PC that can run Elden Ring at max settings?

https://github.com/Speedstu/CUDA-for-AMD-Windows

Nvidia lost their exclusive

I have a RTX 3060ti with AMD Ryzen 9 3900x and 16 GB ram
Would upgrading to Ryzen 7 5800x3D be worth it? Could get it for 300€ and sell the 3900x for 100€ or so

>>109809421
good choice, itll last you till am6/ddr6

>>109809695
idk get an xbox pc

>>109809433
yes but the guy im responding to already has 64gb of ddr4 so he should just reuse that, obv for a new builder am4 is not recommended

>>109809665
sfx specifically the corsair sf750/850/1000 dont even bother with any other sfx psus they are all terrible and loud.

>>109809695
A lot.

>>109809198
The sticker itself is the cooler, it transfers heat from the controller to the flash.
>>109809650
RAM heat spreaders are cosmetic, they started as aftermarket gamer bling bling and the meme got stuck. Same goes for colored lighting and case windows.

>>109809705
in most games your gpu will hold you back more than the cpu, but if you upgrade your gpu then your cpu will hold you back. i would just save more money till you can upgrade both.

>>109809705
just rent out your asshole at that point

>>109809695
around a grand elden ring isnt really demanding, its capped at 60fps anyway

>>109809198
My motherboard came with some heatsinks that are part of the decorative cover on the thing too. I use those, IIRC on this board they're actually part of the retaining mechanism for the drives too, so not using them wasn't an easy option.

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Rate my cable management.

>>109809695
Reccomended specs:
>Ryzen 3600x
>GTX 1070
>16GB
About three fiddy. ($350)

>>109809815
This was part of the reason why I asked, but didn't state it. My motherboard has two slots, but only one of them has a built in heatsink, found it kinda odd.

>>109809833
It'll do.

>>109809833
cute and valid

>>109809838
If the drive itself did not come with its own heatsink it's probably fine either way if you're not using it for something intensive. Like for daily usage, gaming and such it will be fine. You might want cooling anyway if you know you're going to be hammering it continuously for long periods of time.

>>109809833
It looks fine but it also looks like it will be a massive pain in the ass if you ever need to touch a cable.

>>109809864
It's a really small case. There's not much room to work with either way.

>>109808098
>none of these companies give a fuck anymore
not entirely true. just AMD being incompetent. also, only one software which triggered the crash, which also was designed to rape your CPU. not exactly a big issue

long time ago I overclocked my 9070 xt ram to 2860mhz and some guy said it wasn't stable and he was right, I stopped having issues after I lowered it to 2850mhz, now I can finally start undervolting it and checked how far can I take it stably

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>>109809833
2/5, at least you can close that side panel.

>>109809323
there were cards cheaper than the MSRP cards even in europe and AIBs for MSRP too but few specific dates

>>109809359
like 5090 release they had 1 5090 but 40 5080s in the store so gl being first

>>109809695
4k locked + rain might be harder
if u add RT i think that thing stutters no matter what
idk

>>109810117
So you having issues wasnt enough to lower it but you needed a guy tell you its not stable before doing it.

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New socket. What do you think?