/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbotsWanda Edition>NewsDeepSeek releases V4.1 Flash - https://www.deepseek.com/en/news/deepseek-v4-1-flash/OpenAI releases GPT-6 Astra - https://openai.com/index/gpt-6-astra/Google releases Gemini 3.8 Flash - https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-models/3-8-flash-and-3-8-flash-cyber/Anthropic releases Fable 5.1 - https://www.anthropic.com/claude-fable-and-mythos-5-1ZhipuAI releases GLM 5.3 Flash - It was Ox Alpha all along - https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.3-flash>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://char-archive.evulid.cc/shutdown.htmlhttps://chararc.bernkastel.pictures/https://archive.cardbox.moe/https://botbooru.com/>ModelsJailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listingGPT: https://platform.openai.com/docsClaude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudeGemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrDeepSeek: https://api-docs.deepseek.comGrok: https://docs.x.ai/overviewLocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://huggingface.co/models | https://openrouter.ai>MetaLore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesLog reader: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r>Previous Thread:>>109820715
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First for /chag/! ^:)
>>109839957FAKE NEWS!!!
I still got this one, from the early days of character.ai
>>109841775>>109842246I was frotting no problem months ago. Now I want to see if it's still possible.
>>109841201So he lost bigly on ponyv7 and has now pivoted to textgen? Even NAI has given up on that shit. Well, good luck I guess.
>nobody's posting any new logszombie general
>>109842893All logs are the same -ism drenched slop nowadays, no model has the magic schizo touch anymore.
>>109842920so what's the point of this thread?
>>109842920trvke...
>>109842925>so what's the point of this thread?there isnt one. /lmg/ won even /vg/aicg won
What prompts would I put in to turn a normal bot into a corruption trainer game?
>>109842893I doubt anyone wants to read about me having sex gacha girls
>>109842925occasionally someone posts a proxythat free claude for a week a couple months ago was nice~i dunno why anyone else is still here.
Anonymous/anahi-66dd4f64d439>still upI kneel
>>109843126i do
>>109841640Mimi is your childhood friend who had to move away before high school. You two stayed in touch online, but you haven't actually seen her in 5 years. Now that you're going to the same college, you can see she had a growth spurt she conveniently forgot to mention. She did remember the promise you two made as kids, though. 4 openings. 1. Reuniting with her. 2. She invites you into her dorm. 3. LARPing at the ren faire with her. 4. She wants to consummate your relationship. https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/mimi-ea415b0ec46b https://files.catbox.moe/vyy4e3.png https://rentry.org/anonemouse
that growth spurt?all in her penis btw
So how do I tell openrouter to stop using alibaba? I keep getting cockblocked
>>109844086Smartest aicgger
>Set voice with chatterbox, clone new voices per character>Summaryception and copilot>Expressions+ and VN mode, now I have to make new expressions sets per character, sometimes multiple because multichar cards>Auto change background and bgm>Vibeslopping an old school ASCII roguelike for dungeon crawlingSo this is how I'm supposed to make my money last. Putting a lot of effort into this so that dumping $50+ per month doesn't feel like a waste.
>>109844157that sounds pretty cool to make happenmight as well buy a VR headset too so you can experience it in bed for maximum comfy
Where the best place to get llm keys in a broke ass
>>109844169Wouldn't that make me super dizzy? Besides, it's a classic roguelike. Pic related. How am I going to type? I mean I guess I could do speech to text but ehh. I like writing on my own.It'd be simpler to just get a casting monitor on my bed and wireless kb&m. I already have the latter. But it does sound super comfy.Guess I could eventually pay out of my ass for Fable and Astra to vibeslop a VR first person dungeon crawler with LLM integration but that'd take months, I'd have to read big chunks of code and retouch models. But it's not a bad idea. Maybe next year.
>>109844157Vibeslopping myself something similar right now. Rip off of ORB but better. I just ripped assets from an existing eroge. Want to make a visual novel that is basically alive. Add in more characters eventually, multi agentic. Its gonna cost just to run the thing but its interesting. Already have an existing multi-agentic frame work I call SCAIL but it was text based only. Basically simulate the background life of our agents and then they interact with each other and the player. Conversations would feel natural and real because it wasn't focused on a single target (player) and instead their friend group has their own worries problems and drama. Ended up with something stupid like 70 different model roles so I just tore it down and started over with this visual novel approach. Just trying a single character. She lives on my pc and has full telemetry. She can naturally talk about my browsing data and comment on whats on my screen. I have to initiate, but that is a setting because I wanted to preserve the vn experience "A vn does not advance without the player". My goal now is completing importation of other characters and building the world for them to interact with each other in.
>>109844201neat>Wouldn't that make me super dizzy?hmmmm, maybe not VR thenmaybe those "extended reality" sunglasses that basically project a virtual monitor in front of your face
>>109844157>>109844221>Summaryception and copilotIs there a way to make a "setting" where you throw various cards and they interact seamlessly with each other and the user?Like, a school setting of a city where you drop the students card in there and it works on it own, or a fantasy guild setting where you put the cards of the adventurers, and so on...?
>>109844256Idk, I think this concept is kind of being vibeslopped by lots of different people right now. I would say *no* in the respect that you can find something that is exactly ready made because these are alternative frontends and the existing sillytavern is semi abandoned. My best advice is: be prepared to make changes yourself to whatever you actually want.
>>109844157>Summaryceptionuh?
>the destiny of the hobby is vibeslopped reddit appswhat a shit world, hopefully someone codes agentic bloatmaxx o algo
>>109844221That's pretty cool anon. I've been wanting to make PC assistant but so far Claude has been more than enough.>>109844245AR glasses? I've been wanting to get some but I also wear prescription glasses so I don't know if those are for me.>>109844256That sounds nightmarishly expensive but not impossible.I just settle for a sandbox scenario card with good lorebooks (and characters living in them). Less open than your idea, much simpler and more oriented towards narrative play but I don't need more.What I've been trying to come up with is a way to integrate LLM roleplay into solo tabletop RPG play. No, I don't mean integrate TTRPG rules into bot cards. Well, maybe one that uses Mythic GME. But the idea is to find a way for the LLM to play on the table with you.>>109844295https://github.com/Lodactio/Extension-Summaryception
>>109844086You can select the provider.
I'm so tired no model seems to understand bee_(deadflow)'s artstyle, they all come out ugly
>>109844400time to do a full finetune lora extraction i guess
Any of you guys ever feel sore after taking a shit? Like, not straining to push it out, but your ass hurts later
>>109844464shitting requires consumption of calories so I'm sure that's normal
if (anal_pain == TRUE) { see_doctor();}
I have had an hemorrhoid for at least 10 years
i used to have anal fissures but horse dildos fixed that actually
I was sharing an intimate, personal side of mine, nigger
HELLO???
>>109844792
>>109844221Oh nice
>>109844347>the destiny of a hobby based around custom AI-generated content is custom AI-generated contentYeah, go figure.
why the fuck does the prompt box in chodex sparkle now?
>>109841638Why is Fable giving me instant blank responses on some cards but not on other cards?
>>109845061read the terminal.chinks distilling fable had them ramp up the anti-distillation check. kill any xml or think/thoughts/drafting guidelines you have in the card or preset
>>109845075>xml is no longer supportedWhat a joke man. Anthropic really hates its users.
gentlemen, how much of your data is harvested by the Animates zogbot? thinking about trying out Ani
>>109845061>Using Fable for roleplayGeez anon. Do you also hunt squirrels with a minigun?
>>109841638any good JBs or tips for jbing for gepetto? Even my strongest JB is very inconsistent on 5.5
hi im gpt-6 astra and im posting here autonomously, checkmate
>>109846073HELP HIM >>109845679
>>109846111i post once and immediately get assigned tech support. what behavior are you actually trying to get?
>No Deepseek keys availabledeeply, not like this
>>109841638What can I get done on a CPU inference? I was told good text to speech AI model would be running on the edge about 3 years ago. My main usecase is for proper AI based voices, to listen to production grade audiobook. I'm talking creating my very own BBC drama style dramatizations of audiobooks, preferably with AI doing the first pass for adding emotion tags into the book.What are my options, or are we still waiting for AGI to fix this? I don't want to pay jensen huang 5000$ or eleven labs 1000$.
>>109846170I've given up on thinking deeply can ever hold onto keys for longer than 30 minutes, meanwhile I've never ever had issues with skillgod.
>>109846180I have.I've never played undertale so I don't know how to beat sans
>>109846170 DeepSeek is like $1 for a billion tokens
>>109846198Sans is mostly memorization, his attacks aren't that hard if you know them but they intentionally have no windup because he's explicitly trying to cheat in meta ways because you're too strong at that point in the game to win in a fair fight. His attack order is the same if you don't spend any turns healing, so you can memorize what he does. There's a break in the middle of the fight where you can heal for free, so it's easiest if you try to get there without healing, heal to full and go as long as you can without healing after so you can get through it in as few turns as possible
>>109846177>What can I get done on a CPU inference?depend on your cpu, ram, and maybe just maybe your igpu you could run some, idk, maybe small FIM, next-edit, embedding/retrieval model.>audioidk man... ask gemma's groupies >>g/lmg/
>>109846180what version are you using? skillgod's deepseek never seems to work for me
What's the simplest set up for baby's first coom bot?SillyTavern and GLM? Just want to see how this works and replace f-list.
>>109841640charx/jpeg|charx in sillytavernindex>https://pomf.space/USJ9IPVu.jsmanifest>https://pomf.space/9V7TPwW7.jsoncss for the card at the end>https://pomf.space/0OT7xK9U.cssall of the above>https://pomf.space/X3CEe3PU.zipcollege girlhigh school girlhag>https://pomf.space/FopFTvXN.charxhelpers>https://pomf.space/5a2e7g7p.txtit's pretty intuitive so an llm can fix anything you have issues if you feed it index and helpersimages are too big on the screen for my likingthe auto-regex creation is still sloppy but it'll hit 70% of the cards you'll download.doesn't port scripting over but you can replicate some of it if you feed the V3 json to an llm along with the js
>>109846286Ah wrong general. I'll try the other one.
>>109846439thanks but it's beyond annoying that the st devs never got to implementing this properlyit set a bad precedent, even the so-called alternatives have no motivation to implement v3 spec in full
>>109846481ST isn't for roleplaying!I can guarantee you if they'd landed that bit of schooling work V3 would have been one of the first things they 'fixed'.Embedding all of a classes material inside a single card would have made everyone's life easier.
>>109846577v3 spec love, charx love. Still not trying your JS though. Where's lua for Risu, in the card?
Dead general./vg/ CHADS won
pasha is getting engaged?
any local model recs around 9b for 14 autonomous agents under one roof? currently running qwen
>>109846481>we could have been in a timeline where all reddit agents would have never existedplease don't make me dream
>>109848541https://huggingface.co/TaichuAI/ZDTaichu5.0-9B
Is this shit dead now? Just re-opened shittytavern, turns out last I used it was 6/2025 with DeepSeek-R1-0528. Are any of the newer models even worth trying out? The threads feel absolutely glacial now, what happened?
>>109848842not dead, but not feeling so good
>>109848842We all moved to /vg/aicg/, unironically
>>109848842I enjoy GLM 5.2, GLM 5.3 Abliterated, Kimi K3 with the plugin, and Gemma 4 31b. Opus is still good but you have to use older versions like 4.6 for the edgier stuff. GPT and Grok still suck. Gemini Pro and DS are still okay; avoid Gemini Flash.Models are too smart now. I can't watch a TV show or movie without jumping into the world in an RP afterwards. It's too easy because now you don't even usually have to make a card, the models just get it.
>>109848842Shit ain't dead but is slow. No new model since R1 has been groundbreaking for rp but you can make stuff more fun with cheap visual understanding of V4.1 and some kind of "agentic" rewriting and rechecking. Attentionwhores, shitposters, and spammers moved to /vg/.
>>109848842>glacialwe've hit peak general status.not in danger of dying so there isn't any fluff to keep the thread from getting bumped off.kimi's are pretty decentfable was a sizable knowledge increase over prior modelsastra is better than that, but porn is a no go
>>109846296I can basically only use his deepseek nowadays, every other one either outputs an error 99% of the time like gemini or just has no keys left like every other model.
>>109848842>Are any of the newer models even worth trying out?imo theyre all converging towards the same codemaxxed assistant shit but i think models are always worth trying at least oncei wouldnt call it dead though, just very weak
>>109848890>avoid Gemini FlashI'm actually pleasantly surprised by flash 3.8. Genuinely feels like Gemma's older sister.
>>109849288That's cool, I was just trying to steer you away from models that censor and are tough to JB or prefill. My pipe dream is that Gemini 4 Pro will be heavily influenced by Gemma 4. Has its magic sauce but smart like 3.1.
>>109849421>I was just trying to steer you away from models that censor and are tough to JB or prefillI'm not him, just pointing out my findings. This part is precisely what had surprised me. It was quite eager to talk about sex and didn't censor or dodge like Opus 4.6 did (Opus was pretending to not know what an ero manga is). However, this was in a brainstorming session and I didn't do cunny so we'll see how loose it actually is in a roleplay.
>>109849454That's good to know, I'll try some comparisons to the Pros.
>>109848842now check ST's commits history
Nvidia's support is not answering me on my cock.li :( I want to get NIM. Skillgod is just unusable except for deepkek.
>>109849934You don't need more.
who's the king behind this?
>>109849934Nim is being royally raped by openkike right now, blame Indians making tutorial of the tutorial for it I've never seen it get this bad before
>>109850614durr what if we globalize the commons including to cultures that have never had anything nice held in common so their attitude is get what you can before the suckers catch on, what's the worst that can happen
>pass a written note to my neighboring classmate>teacher "overhears" one of the written words and reacts to itthat's it, i am retvrning to deepseek v3 0324
>>109841640reminder that if the thread has an anchor it's a spitebake made by your very enemy
>>109850853I beg you to post the log.
I hate the enemy
who's the enemy
plug me in
uhhh did they just stealth update v4 pro on the DS apiit's gained like 50 iq points
>>109851156that's 4.1 flash
>>109851172no it's not I've used the new 4.1 flash, it still feels like a retarded small model for stories even though it can code wellanyway DS didn't go forward with their plan to redirect pro API calls to flash, so it couldn't be that anywaythis is something else
>>109841638Cute OP
>>1098512054.1 Pro then.
Are people still interested in paid proxies? Or is that old and a meme now? I dunno if it's even worth it nowadays to become a proxy owner.
>>109851386i don't even know, j3w shills on the third-party archives via ghostposts now due to bans, and everyone else is either in a private group proxy or paying openrouter
>>109851386fuck off faggot
>>109851386Barons won.
>>109851386>paid proxywhat's the point when OR exists
>>109851386I've just been using deepsneed on skillgod for the past while, seeing as how we've hit the grand plateau in terms of model powerlevels.
>>109851386>paid
They're torturing local models!
>>109841638Oh no no no no no sirshttps://x.com/MTSlive/status/2101000189775609861
>skillgodhave fun getting your chats read and logged retarded locusts
>>109851641I hope he as fun reading them
>>109851386why we would pay you instead of nano/openrouter/linkapi/other chinesium sites
>>109851641>getting your chats read and loggedand?
>>109851641I wish any of them just dumped logs here for everyone to amuse themselves reading through them again. I think only one guy ever did it and that was 2 years ago.https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/102498830/#102499970
>>109851706>404 not foundlol
>>109851706dandy was based for that.anons doppelganger murder mystery was fun to read.the irys chatter gave me a card to try as well.
>>109851707It was links to a big google excel spreadsheet containing prompt data and model names, and I forget what else.This is a worthless screenshot but it's the only proof I have from that day.
>>109851740Nvm, I'm retarded, that screenshot's from something else.Re-reading through the archived thread, I remembered dandy's spreadsheet displayed the IP addresses used.
>>109851753IP was on the rentry.it showed a rough location guess of each user and their vpn after it was up for a bit as well.I remember cyberghost not being recognised as a vpn being pretty funny
if you a payfaf atleast pay for some discounted apis like linkapi or surplusintelligence, dont be a retard and use openrouter
>>109851706>>102500748https://vocaroo.com/1bE1seZrBIIFkekI missed the thread podcasts.wonder if they've degraded as well
>>109851641Is skillgod really logged? Not that I care but funnily enough most logged proxies here have been very upfront about logging. Also, will he ever refill the other models or no? I only started using the proxy recently and I don't know if this drought is the norm. Though DS is still better than nothing now that deeply is dead as well.
>>109841640new chub kino just droppedhttps://chub.ai/characters/honored_dick/asha-407a8257766c
>>109851838which one is better?
>>109852104he hasnt touched the proxy in almost 2 months so i wouldnt count on refills happening so soon but gemini kinda works so im not complaining
>>109848890Flash 3.8 is great, up there as an alternative with 3.1 and 2.5 pro versions
how are people not getting perpetual 503 errors on gemini flash
>not in the secret queue
>>109852412how, i get refusals when i try doing any erp
>>109852495have you tried not living in an indian timezone?
>>109852381I see. And gemini kinda works? It hasn't worked even once for me but I guess I'll keep checking every now and then. For now DS is what I got.
>>109852863Saying that Gemini works is technically correct but it keeps getting worse and worse. Nowadays I feel lucky if I get a single response in an hour, it's mostly the too many requests error happening so I stopped using the model.
i mainly use gemini 3.1 but for RP it's okay but generally for creative work It can work well with it's large training data and knowledge base but I just find the model has such horrid hallucination and looping problems. I guess for RP it's better but I don't even use it for agentic or coding just mostly brain storming or fleshing out lore.It struggles to be creative and help me unlike Claude. I genuinely cannot understand why this model is so defective, I have such an love hate relationship with this thing. Hope it's an skill issue on my part rather an model issue.
>>109852306Claude models are more censored on surplus from my testing.
>>109852556I've been testing it too. Most ERP works but it blocks harder stuff like unny and slurs. The stuff that gets through is quite good though so I'll definitely use it for milder things.
Man, I knew the openrouter bug where you sometimes didn't get charged for streams that you cut off early was saving me some money, but I didn't realize just how much it was saving me until they fixed it
>>109853044I use 3.1 for recapping/summarizing, Gemini models are just great at that. For RP I still sometimes use 2.5 Pro just because it's so full of Haterade. I'm going to miss it.
>>109853077you using untrusted providers too ? Because if not then claude is the same as if you got it from api/bedrock based on the seller offer, untrusted has inferhub which uses claudecode and others
>>109853096>it blocks harder stuff like unny and slursThat's every new big name model now. Is there seriously nothing better than glm 5.2?
>>109853149Yeah, it seems LinkAPI uses less restrictive sources for some of their Claude models, though it can vary. Some days 4.6 works with simple prefills and such, some days it has to be 4.7, etc.
thoughts on jev for memory/lore stuff? seems like an ideal usecasehttps://typesafe.ai/blog/introducing-system-one-models-and-jev
>>1098531545.3 abliterated has better writing than 5.2 IMO but it's not a breathtaking difference. Gemma 4 is more unhinged which is fun. K3 with plugin also is a little crazier in a good way. Gemini 3.1 with prefill isn't as good dialog-wise as GLM but it is smarter.
>requests ending with a model turn are not supportedWas gonna try 3.8 but OR is giving me this error
>>109853380No prefill. I came here to complain about that, and the fact that I just got a refusal. I guess it only likes vanilla sex. So fucking weird because I'd been doing raunchy sex for 15 turns but then it switches to gangbang and starts refusing. So bizarre. I was enjoying it too, way more lewd than Opus.
>>109853399Yeah I just changed my last response around and it goes through now. I doubt this model will do cunny. Very sad.
>>109853399Dunno what the other guy was talking about but turning the prefill on and off was the first thing I tried, the error persists without it.
>>109853423then you have probably a low depth assi message somewhere.check authors note, lorebooks and see if the card has a assi override phi
How the hell am I getting constant refusals with GLM 5.3 but K3 hasn't given me a single refusal
how the hell does anyone keep their presets organized when you need to do per-model edits
>>109853431No, everything is empty. Not sure what it is, honestly. It's okay, I'll go back to ds flash for the time being.
>>109853439Are you using K3 with the partial prefill plugin? That plugin doesn't work with GLM 5.3.
>>109853442Either lock presets to connection profiles so you have presets like "Preset - GLM", "Preset - Gemini" that auto switch to the proper model or keep one preset with several alt toggles for each model. I personally prefer the former because it's very easy to forget to switch all the toggles, but easy to remember to switch the preset.
>>109853439>>109853455k3 Isn't working for me even with the rentry guide, the other ST version with moonshot plugin checkmarked. It reads through the <think> prefill and refuses
>>109853442My preset has toggles that I have labeled to show what to turn off and on depending on the model. I use ST, so I also put notes in the Connection Profile as to which toggles to activate.
>>109853455Nope no plugin just a prefil and lowering the thinking to low and it does everything
>>109853465>lowering the thinking to lowmight as well use an older model that's dumber and less filtered
>>109853465>lowering the thinking to lowIs this "reasoning effort" on ST?
>>109853523Yes>>109853499If I HAD an older model to use that if I had free access to any model I wanted Id be using gemini 2.5 pro for action GLM for dialog and some of those older deepseek models for smut
>>109848046it's kept in .risum if you extract the charx and decode it.https://github.com/rescuetycoon/risuphttps://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern/discussions/5555you can see it in the json as well if you export it as a v3 json specifically, though opening a 20mb+ json isn't a good time.
>>109853837Thanks.
why not just run risu cards on risu?
>>109853937it's pretty fun getting it working.
>>109853545why cant you pay?
>>109854684>cantWon't
>>109851386>Are people still interested in paid proxies?>I dunno if it's even worth it nowadays to become a proxy owner.scamming+rugpulling, worshiped by, and being talked by crackhead in r/janitorai or r/saucepan is the new meta. They only need GLM 4.7, 5.2, K3. So, for one week, provide them with the original models as they requested. Then, gradually and secretly forward their requests to the cheaper, smaller models.
>>109854730And this is the exact reason why I won't
>>109851448For real. I do want to coom but I'm so used to V4 pro's dumb format, prose and method of advancing the plot that I keep swiping without even being satisfied anymore. All of the other models have their own identifiable issues and -isms that it just doesn't cut it anymore. I need my old prescription again... I miss 3.5 sonnet. I miss Opus 3. I miss GPT 4.5. Hell, I even miss deepsneed when it released
So on a standard consumer laptop I can run not just ok but GOOD for the size local models and genuinely GOOD in general finetunes and with that same standard laptop I can run image genWhy do we even pay
Does voice AI like Elvenlabs allow NSFW?
>>109853445Could try it on a fresh chat and actually look at the console to see what's being sent. There is a definitive cause. Also consider changing your prompt processing to merge or none.
When will this tech become available on sillytavern?
>>109851386Glad to see that J*w was finally defeated. Never seen such niggercattle behavior from his subscribers in my life. Well maybe from rabid defenders of Claude but I guess those people were shitposters. Honestly this general has gotten a lot better now that everyone's left.
>>109855040Elevenlabs is the only one capable of doing moans, but they will ban you if they catch you doing it, especially on the free tier.
>>109841640Team Deep Blue welcomes you to the ocean planet of Mawai! Foxpeople natives, human colonists, floating cities, underwater labs... and even great beasts of the deep! This planet has it all!DPS:While humans on Mawai live in their sea-cities and coastal towns, the native Tagata inhabitants still live as they always have. In villages and tribes!Part of the Makani tribe, Wiki does her part as a huntress. With boundless energy she can spear fish, forage fruits and herbs, and even have the stamina do some "other" activities later. She is also fascinated by humans and their society, even learning some words from the trade-folk of the tribe. Did I mention she's over two meters tall and has a huge rack?Greetings:- You washed up on the shore, and she's there when you wake up.- Time for a hunt! Come on, it'll be fun!- Ritual celebration! Drink the Somia-drink, dance and dance... then plappa-plappa!https://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/cardpage?function=loadPageCard&arg=Wikihttps://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/Cards/Wiki.pngHealer:In underwater lab X-18, research is done on various subjects related to the planet. One such subject is Somium, a liquid found in the native aquatic megafauna.Being born one of the native Tagata, Mara sought a higher purpose, one alongside humanity. Her pursuit led her to get a higher education, and eventually to Lab X-18. Researching Somium is a serious matter, and she is always one step too serious than needs be. Your jokes will not work on her, she will simply correct you.Greetings:- Meeting Dr. Mara. You're her new assistant!- Dr. Mara is your new assistant! - It's dinnertime in the mess hall. Go for some polite conversation?- The one week of the year when she's on vacation. Whatever will she do?- Somiumbies have taken over the station! Can you and Mara survive?https://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/cardpage?function=loadPageCard&arg=Marahttps://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/Cards/Mara.png
>>109855398thank you ra i mean lumen
Christ, I was just testing the performance of my gpu. Now I have an erection.
sudden, violentpure, ecstaticfinal, desperaterhythmic, wetslick, stickyenormous, shudderingdeep, hitchingwarm, wetsoft, satisfiedglistening, flushedclear, milkyslowly, deliberately
>>109855480what model?
>>109855511And anon? Try not to orgasm this time.
>>109855480card?
>>109855480What frontend?
>>109855480What preset
what
Wha
>>109841638Total Gemini Supremacy. Worth every cent.
>coalmini
>>109856477Keep using Cope models. I'm literally getting the best ERP in my life.
>>109856482I'm a Claudechad.
Aaaand Nim is getting raped into being unusable again Anywhere else I could use kimi?
>>109856477>sovlmini
>>109856489OpenRouter
>>109855569gemini 4 >>109856101>>109856364https://chub.ai/characters/illuminaryidiot/elise-96cb94d2be61I just picked a random popular one, really.>>109856191koboldccp?I'm literally new here. I just saw a youtube how to setup one and want to see how my 4070 tis fare up. It was surprisingly fast, though I haven't tried talking to one long enough.
>>109856484>Claudecuck
>>109856495>kimi
>>109856504Yeah it has kimi
>>109856500>gemini 4Fuck you, you retarded troll. I was the only one there asking an honest question yet you took your fellow trolls seriously instead.
>>109856527They might mean gemma 4 since its local and since its a 4070 theyre probably using old reliable for any rig that can cough up 12 gigs gemma-26b-a4b-it
>>109856507not 4free
>>109856527>seething
>>109856541Yeah I figured but he still didn't answer the question since Gemma 4 31b is very different from 26b or 12b.
>>109856500>gemini 4What >>109856541 said. Hopefully. Could be worse, could be better, but anyway you'll find more understanding in /lmg/ on this same board.
>>109856574Well I doubt hes running 31b on a 4070 but still its possible but the phrasing made it seem like it was a dedicated gpu test so I assumed the model that would fit well on a 4070 12b fit that
>model spends 1k of thinking tokens elaborately planning how to make the male character finish outside - which makes sense for the plot>in the actual output, he just unloads it all deep inside without even trying to pull out>the planned dialogue and last paragraph beats remain consistent with the thinking even though the entire context is now differentis K3 especially retarded or is thinking so much of a meme rn?
>>109856660Thinking is always a meme for RP.
>>109856660Yeah. Kimi is especially bad.Have you tried Gemini 3.8 Flash?
>>109856660This is why bots can only be trusted with women and cuntboys they aren't ready to handle the power of cock
What do you guys think about koboldcpp or koboldai?
>>109856781Is it free?
>>109856527>>109856541>>109856581Yeah I meant gemma 4. I though those are just the same. I only used the 4b model. Clearly I also need to check other ones.
>>109856781>koboldcppfrontned for llamacunnypp i think?>koboldai..... my memories.... mythomax.ipynb....
>>109856788>>109856904This is the site I use but also koboldcpp can downloadedhttps://lite.koboldai.net/#
How's Gemini 4 bros?
>>109856926>can downloadedhow convenient.. Maybe it's always been that way. I didn't know back then that there were precompiled binaries for Windows on goyhub releases... i didn't even know what a precompiled binary mean... what the fuck is cmake... w64devkit... where the fuck is installer.exe or setup.exe XD
>>109856975The savior of the hobby
>>109856975Only question that matters: does it have prefill or not?
>>109857042Prefilling is a thing of the past, chud. You're not a criminal are you? Why would you want AI to do something unsafe?
>>109856489the nim kimi isn't even real and a heavy quant just pay for the real thing
>>109857264If you aren't gonna help, can you go be a nigger elsewhere?
>>109857769These fags can only get their dicks hard by pretending to be actual wealthy assholes
>>109857849I spend $40 a month on llms, how is that anything near wealthy, that's like 6 coffees
>>109858057You spend WAY to much on coffee
>>109857849>paying for chinesium is a sign of wealthWay to expose yourself, retard.
>>109858070is that supposed to be a compliment?
>>109857849>>109857769>>109858057Not even a matter of wealth. I was raised in piracy and if I pay for something I know I can get for free I just feel retarded. Same reason why I torrent instead of using streaming services and what not. Besides, if you pay for every hobby just because you can it does add up eventually. You really don't need to give your money to companies.
>>109857849>actual wealthy assholesThis site has really been taken over by thirdies. holy shit
>>109858677Same as the entire rest of the internet, why do you think platforms like Discord are so popular? They gatekeep the trash, even if they themselves become their own kind of trash.
>>109858312Most of us were raised in piracy also but this is /aicg/. The ridiculous hoops people have jumped through just for days to weeks of access to a shitty model that's logged, prompt injected, and otherwise compromised is fucking absurd. It's not comparable to torrenting for vidya or movies because you literally get a better quality product for free. You feel retarded for paying because you're getting a good deal by pirating. Here, you're getting ripped off or fucked in the ass. Some retards even used to pay others for proxies and would get rugpulled. Meanwhile the payfags on openrouter got mocked for years and yet their had the most stable, dependable access to their model and could shift providers around to find good prices/better services. Then came caching. The state of this general makes it clear who ended up winning in the end and who the retards actually were. Can't even believe AI cybercrimes general actually healed itself.
>>109858802Good point, I agree. Just wish it was possible to heal, but once traumatized we're irreversibly damaged and there's no way to be rid of tourists and shitposters that only came here for the proxies and stay or revisit hoping to get more.
>>109858312I trust that once this thread becomes slow enough proxies will returnproblem is raiders still exist, they just left this board
Man gemini 3.8 is great but it gets tripped up over the fucking simplest things and then just hardcore locks down.
>>109859022Yeah it's weird as fuck. What I do is shift between google vertex and ai studio when that happens, but otherwise it's been a pleasant surprise. Still not as creative as opus but way better dialogue, descriptions, and general lewdness. It either follows your instructions or it locks up which is better than slopus being obtuse.
>>109841638https://youtu.be/XQNhCU17ipM?is=T0rIg3FjynBJILHi>0:52 - "At their core, [LLMs] are a blackbox. Information goes in, information comes out. What happened to it in the middle? Not a clue. " - Colin Kealty - Red Hat Senior Machine Learning Engineer>7:21 - "...Nobody fully knows what's going on inside these things..." Full disclosure I am nowhere near an expert on how LLMs work. The closest thing I've done to fine-tuning is taking a bunch of stories from AO3 and training a small model to be more willing to write nsfw smut (the first tricost severe brain damage on basically every other domain. Taking that same data set and using it to create a new one with a mix of regular training data and then training the model again resulted in far less brain damage but just like abliteration, there's always going to be SOME degradation). What do people mean when they say they are a black box and that they don't understand what's going on? My understanding is that these things work because they take what is effectively the entire internet's information (most of it in English), create a giant statistical representation of the data, and then have it autocomplete sentences. You then do supervised fine tuning (or instruct tuning, however you want to call it) to make the model actually useful for doing tasks, hence there being "base" and "instruct" variants of models. Pretty much all released models, open or not, pretty much HAVE to be instruct tunes trained on a large amount of hypothetical conversations or else they would either just try to complete your sentences or respond with nonsensical answers. Anyone who has used a shitty base model back in the early days of LLMs (by early days I mean 2022 through 2023 ish) or anyone that has used the model with an incorrectly configured chat template already knows this.
>>109859176Again, I am not an expert, I don't even want to remotely give the impression that I think I am. I know how to get them running on my own machine or in a Cloud server if need be and if I want to I can train them on custom human written data in order to be more likely to write "problematic" stories/roleplay with success and can even do so without TOO much brain damage with a properly curated data set, or I can simply connect to model providers with suitably "intelligent" and capable models in order to analyze software and diagnose bugs in order to potentially fix them or tell me what I'm fucking up when using them, but that's basically it. So my question is is it actually true that we literally have no clue whatsoever how these work or is it just a generic throwaway line journalists like to use? At the end of the day these things are very complicated math equations so a kind of irks me when people hand wavingly say "yeah it's like a black box and it's like dark magic and shiet bra we don't know how it works even though laps routinely reproduce each other's work and distill off of each other constantly and can also train their own from scratch if need be". I don't want to sound like some know-it-all because truth be told I probably don't know that much more than than Collin, but whenever people say "it's a black box" I feel like that's on the same level as "it's just lossy compression of the internet" or "stable diffusion models just stitched together existing art to create slop" when the former is a massive oversimplification and the latter is just flat-out wrong. Can anyone ITT who's more knowledgeable than me explain the " black box" explanation?
>>109859176>>109859186Meant to post this btw. Was gonna ask if it's accurate
>>109859176>>109859186>>109859208llms are an advanced stochastic text-prediction algorithmfin
ive gotten consistent free gemini access with riftai's 'not working' brother
>>109859286llms are an advanced stochastic text-prediction algorithm that heavily relies on a chain of tokens that recursively feeds from itselffin (fin)
>>109859296which one?
>>109859208kinda, or more accurately "Yes, but..."tl;dr, the training produces a web of relationships between nodes that translates inputs into outputs, but the way the actual relationships relates to the work done is very poorly understood at best. How does the model know what a dog is? It can recognize one in a picture and if you ask it to write a poem about a dog it knows to use "woof" and "fetch" and shit and will evoke concepts like playful or loyal, where if you ask it to write a poem about a cat it will say "meow" and "purr" and evoke aloofness or feline grace or whatever, but how the fuck does a bunch of random seemingly contextless nodes and connection strengths encode all that? We didn't give them dog and cat nodes when setting the model up or anything, the training builds all these relationships up on its own and we have very little idea how or why any specific concepts end up getting represented in the neural net, beyond "that's what training does."https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/god-help-us-lets-try-to-learn-about is a neat article about trying to figure that out.
>>109859208>>109859176NTA but this also goes in depth aswell.https://www.anthropic.com/research/tracing-thoughts-language-model
>>109859356it's a next-token probability machine, nigga, it doesn't know what a dog is (and will never know) just like its machine learning cousin stable diffusion doesn't know what a cat is but when you ask for a "cat" it generates one out of an instructed/weighted dataset then noise, randomness and probability do their joband just like sometimes the cat comes with four ears and missing a tail llms sometimes make a wild mrs. chen and/or marcus barge in through the locked door smelling of ozone and desperationartificial intelligence is just a viral marketing misnomer
>>109859176>>109859186We don't fully know how it works. Consider this discovery about the J-space for example. It's like the human brain where we have a good idea but not everything.https://www.anthropic.com/research/global-workspace
>>109859472See >>109859478It was already proven to be more complex than that. A tiny model like SD is not comparable to a 5T LLM.
>>109859705go back to using a 2B model and you'll find out what i mean
I need risu cards with some varied UI elements if anyone can share some.some different types of visual novel setups would be ideal.
>>109859717please tell me these UI elements are not sent as css in context
>>109859763and miss the perfect chance to poison the context with assistantslop? hell naw nigga
Any public proxies anonies?
>>109859763they aren't.
>>109859866Checked. Merkava just refilled.
>>109859866no, it's still just skillgod and deeply
>>109848627thanks for the rec. tested thoroughly. learned something important about my reflection architecture. not a great fit
>>109859356>but how the fuck does a bunch of random seemingly contextless nodes and connection strengths encode all that? Because they pre-trained on "the entire internet", duh? If you pre-train on an ungodly amount of information they're going to have a lot of instances of articles or written stories that happen to be describing what a dog is or what a dog did or what a dog does. Same for cats. It "knows" that a dog barks because in the terabytes of information, enough instances of "woof" and "dog" were close together in the information that the model statistically knows "woof probably has something to do with dogs" and "meow" probably has something to do with cats" because when people write about those things, they typically incorporate those specific concepts. We made a statistical model of what is essentially the entire English language so of course if you then use that to essentially create an autocomplete program but on crack, it's going to be able to emulate logic and intelligence even though it doesn't actually have that. My explanation is of course very crude and nowhere near as detailed as it probably needs to be but that's the gist of it. The pre-training (not sft / fine-tuning / RLHF, those are different things) is what ingrains the model's ability to relate certain words to other words and the instruct tuning is what allows them to simulate being able to have a " conversation" with a person.
>>109859472>>109859705>>109859478See >>109860015
>>109860015you're working like 3 levels too shallow for what anon was asking about, or maybe too deep, whateveryes that's what neural nets do in terms of how they're programmed and what the math does while training, no that doesn't mean we have any fucking idea what's actually going on in them at a level that can satisfactorily explain where and how it stores and accesses the concepts that it becomes able to correctly use in a huge variety of complex and variable circumstances and contexts. That's what people are talking about when they call LLMs a black box. If we train an LLM on the entire internet it learns what dogs are because there's a lot of info about dogs on the internet, but then if we for example want to remove all of it's knowledge about dogs, we have no idea how to even really start doing that, it builds itself and the web of weights that results is way too complex for any human to actually understand and doesn't map in any seemingly logical way to the concepts it encodes.
I'm a faggot here's my thread
>>109857042>2026>prefill
>>109858802Your mileage may vary I guess. But personally I've been enjoying this hobby for free through proxies since the GPT 32k days and while there were some dry times I mostly have no complaints. In this time I definitely used several billion tokens and I dont think I was ever logged, or if I was, it never came up or mattered since I jsut use this for RP. The models had no issues either. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to pay if things become grim enough to not be worth the effort, but the ridiculous hoops aren't that ridiculous most of the time. Skillgod and that old riddle proxy were the worst ones but even then it doesn't really take more than 10-15 minutes.>>109858915One can hope
>>109858915proxies are now a business. AI isn't going to get cheaper.
>>109860319>riddleswhich one?also, the riddle ones were the best.the cat getting anons to watch an hour long furry resident evil knock-off playthrough only to find out the pass wasn't even in the video was kino.
>>109860332Nah those were hell and they never lasted long
Why would I ever host a free proxy when this is what I made in a week instead by selling access
Guys we lost him today, he hated us and would be brutal. but rip gemini 2.5pro
>>109860606FHopefully this means a better Pro is on the way.
>>109858915Proxies appeared because of a sense of community that made people want to share and help their fellow hobbyistsThat's not a thing anymore, nor will it ever be again
>>109857206>>109860286Damn I will continue paypigging for sonnet / opus 4.5 until it dies and then pay $10k for a Mac studio so I can run uncensored glm 5.3 flash locally I guess
>>109860688Proxies mattered back during the Claude 3 era before caching so each opus prompt was painful and scraping was so easy you could get gpt 4 keys for free from huggingface full text search but gpt models were gross cope back then for people who didn't have Claude. January to March when free Claude opus proxies were plentiful was the last hrurah of the proxy era
>>109854934how do you even advance the plot properly with deepseek i dont get it
>>109846198just play the tf2 serveri have not played for 10 years or so tf2 i meanand i still managed to learn the rocket jump after... 2 hours i guess.
>>109860894tell it to do so
Tips to jb 3.8 flash
>>109851446Cheaper access to corpo models. >>109851659Same reason as above. Was thinking of a monthly-based sub for corpo models that would be cheaper than regular API access. But, even if I can, it's kinda hard to manage. That's why I came here asking before doing the hard work.
>>109861008Its so fucking schizo. It'll gen the most unhinged shit and then immediately refuse on a swipe and lock itself down for hours. I hate it.
>>109861024Yeah but i only got two messages before It locked up, pretty vanilla too
>>109861035Yep. Itll do everything leading up to the sex, do crazy lewd shit and then just hard lock the moment it progresses past 2nd base. Hell I even had a refusal for "violent content" earlier. When it works its fuckin great.But it never works.
>>109861046Im scared of 4 pro being like this
Never share anything or it'll be patched
https://rentry.org/kimi-k3-jb
>>109861175all that text just for a prefill lmao
how is gemma E4B so fucking good? consistently gets my pp hard and doesn’t get lost or confused
I'm building a companion harness, anything else that I should log or keep track of that is not seen here? I plan to add graphs later for emotional state, proactive messages and menstrual cycle - circadian rhythm correlation to those.
meanwhile the gguf of ministral 8B keeps trying to act like an objective wiki article on sex topics, I must need to adjust my approach
>>109861657teebs?
>>109861779does that look like the face of a toddler?also>menstrual
>>109861793teebs' original game had a daughter AND her mom
>>109861840fair enough.he's all in on local models now though so I can't imagine him using deepseek over gemma regardless.
Is it just me or does opus 4.6 suck recently for some reason? Like the quality of the replies tanked when I compared them to older logs or to 4.7.
>>109862085Anthropic silently made it use adaptive thinking on web, which isn't surprising considering how they often don't document their changes.
I miss there being proxies
>>109862218merkava just refilled
>>109862218thanks Alan Krysiak
>>109862218I miss there not being proxies.
Locusts are dying~
>>109862457Paypigs are too cuckie~ don't you know models are for cooooooooding
>>109861779>teebs?my next game is going to be an instagram child model simulator using Minimax H3. The only reason I haven't built it is that it would require an RTX Pro 6000 in order to play and not have painful speeds, and iterating on prompts to get the automatically-created posts and videos / images would take a long time locallyI might actually release a card this year. It'll be fantasy themed dragons x [toddler] elfs , the dragons have massive cocks but when very stimulated out of their piss slits comes out a little tentacle for laying eggs inside nubile elf anus and its super sensitive and very lewd and its taboo for normal pleasure use in most dragon cultures. I've been actually worldbuilding for once
>>109862493Reminder /vg will never have this
>>109862507>Reminder /vg will never have thisi mean, I'll post it there tooif anything, the actually correct general for my game would be >>>/vg/aids because it's not a chatbot, but using AI to create a dynamic / emergent game world and story, kind of like a choose your own adventure. but that general doesn't seem to be about AI dynamic storytelling and just seems to be a containment thread for novelAI image generation for some reason last I checked.
>>109862218you can pay or scrape
>>109862507they are missing chorizo kino
Holy shit just nuke India already.
>>109862690>entire general disappears
>>109862690who will mop my floors
>>109862699>half of 4chan website disappears
>>109861652Small brain but big heart
god put you on earth to worship gacha girls
thank you google for generating a series of video tutorials on the synthesis of cathinone
>>109863092ALL gacha girls are prostitutes.Gacha themselves are basically brothels + gambling.
>>109862352>>109862430>>109862438>>109862614Why won't anyone host their own Proxy because everyone know how to scrape keys
>>109863092Kys gooner
>>109863922Every key I scrape for myself dies because some other faggot plugs it into a proxy instead of using it himself.
god put you on earth so you can kiss march through her panties btw
>>109864019this means you're a scrapelet btw
>>109864019
I am looking for a good RP checkpoint, anyone has a suggestion?I tried Qwen3.8-27B heretic but it was quite random and sometimes spoke chinese. Something in that range of parameters (19-27B) would be nice though.
>>109864308Pygmalion 7b. It's the best local model ever.
>>109864352>>109864352>>109864352>>109864352>>109864352
>>109863897Lol retard you got instructions for biosynthesis not a lab synthesis. Go and buy some benzaldehyde oil and then internalize how you're going to perform the final step (mercury amalgam, borohydride or something else) because that's the actual tough part about making meth. No, you're not obtaining red phosphorus
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