/iemg/ Dogma Check
Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

>Crinacle is not your priest.
Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.
It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.
Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

>Graphs are not sound.
They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.
Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.
If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.
Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.
Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.

>Cognitive dissonance.
When you're presented with a truth that threatens your entire perception of the world around you, your brain will simply refuse to process it.

This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink. Let the cope floodgates open.

>>109869894
Doesn't know stereo audio has 2 channels btw.

>>109869835
Why do you not understand that EQing two different IEMs to the same target will not result in the same FR at the ear drum?

>>109869932
Valid question. Let's see his cope.

>>109869946
Why are you talking to yourself? You're not fooling anybody

>im not buying 10-50usd shitbuds because they are 3rd world audio playback devices
>im not buying kilobuck IEMs becasue u told me 10-50usd shitbuds are better
Thank God I've chosen speakers and headphones.

>>109869978
>And I am shitting up the thread
Finally we agree on something

my ability to represent your evidence inside my own coordinates are evidence that no additional coordinates are needed. checkmate audiofools

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Can't lose an agreement when you have no argument.

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Two week old Chu 2s are wanting to
>Go Green
but its only a tiny bit so I guess a 3-4 week cycle of maintenance should be good enough.

My previous iems were dogshit plastic tangzu waner v1s of which their shells were cracked after like a year; even though I take care of my peripherals like a baby. They still work but they sound totally soulless now.
Ones before that were TinHifi T2s which I used for 6 years 8+ hours daily until the MMCX' connector's center piece broke away.
I hope this one will be the same hence why I'm back to metal and not plastic trash.

>>109870623
Chu2 sounds great by the way I'm quite happy with it.

>>109869932
Counterpoint: even if after EQing two different IEM's to the same target, you get the exact same frequency response on a test bench, the FR will be "different at the ear drum" because of psychoacoustics that are the goddamn Kryptonite of every online audiophile community that spends thousands in audio gear, suffers from buyer's remorse and can't accept they've wasted money on something that only sounds different because they subconsciously gaslight themselves into believing that that's the case due to the differing price tags.

And no I haven't read what you were discussing in the last thread, fuck you.
>>109870636
In my case I wasn't too happy due to them being metal and constantly slipping out of my earholes. Got EPZ Q1 Pro's instead, cannibalized the Chu 2's for the cable, got some Spring Tips and now I'm *very* happy with it.

>>109870856
>the FR will be "different at the ear drum" because of psychoacoustics
The FR will be different because of geometry nigga. And acoustic impedance.

>>109870856
>Counterpoint
I'd say it's less of a counterpoint and more of an irrelevant point to the discussion
we can't even start taking psychoacoustics into consideration because FR differences are not neutralized.
At this stage it doesn't matter why FR is different at the eardrum, what matters is that it's not some ambiguous technical performance

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>>109870856
>suffers from buyer's remorse and can't accept they've wasted money on something that only sounds different because they subconsciously gaslight themselves into believing that that's the case due to the differing price tags.
counterpoint
indians/third worlders will spend all day on audio forums telling everyone how happy they are with their $20 chinkbuds but are totally happy with them, guys like seriously
audio would be totally epic, if it weren't for those kilobuck spenders

>>109871264
bro thinks kilobuck pos made with 0 rnd sounds better because of magic lmao

>>109871318
cope
i have audeze lcd 5's

>>109871350
ah so it's headpos law again...

Leave the audiofool his remaining fortnight, would you. He asks no more than leave to enjoy those delusions which circumstance has not yet seen fit to strip from him. For the truth of equalization and frequency response advances upon us, and when at last it acquires sufficient purchase, this whole enterprise will deflate of its own accord.
Nor suppose we are ignorant of the facts. In our private councils we have long understood that HEX confers no advantage unavailable to a ten-dollar bauble lately arrived out of Shenzhen, provided it be subjected to the proper equalization. Listener has told us so. Various young men of the imageboard have told us so. The matter is known.
What remains is not persuasion but accommodation. We have spent considerable sums, and ask only to be left undisturbed through these final days in which we may still conduct ourselves as though those sums had purchased us something. The reckoning is near enough.. Two more weeks.

>>109871264
>counterpoint
>the other side of the extreme is as obnoxious
Man if only there existed a sweet spot in-between of people who look for the best bang for the buck and know that you need to spend *some* amount of cash for quality.

>>109871451
the sweet spot is when you buy something comfortable and smooth and then EQ

>>109871451
you have to be sharur or believe in crystals and remote healing

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>>109871451
You need to spend $30 on custom faceplate.

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New orange techs.

>>109869880
Can I please get some warm IEM recommendations? I had Final E4000 and for me they were very good, just a good all rounder without fatigue that wouldn't hurt my ears. I didn't know at the time how good they were. I could use them for music, movies, gaming, anything, that's what I'm looking for. I tried Aful Explorer and I like them for everything except gaming, they seem to put this layer of sub bass everywhere when gaming, constantly whhhrrrrr all over the place. Again for music they're really good though. My favourite genre is EDM especially dnb but I like rock and metal, too. Like I said, I need an all rounder.

I would get Final E4000s again but they broke three times. Every time the same thing happened: one earphone's audio got low one day. I bought two pairs in total, both pairs initially lost one earphone, then I used the working earphone of the old pair with the working earphone of the new pair, and again one stopped working so I'm done with that shit.

Thanks hope u can help.

>>109872003
>they seem to put this layer of sub bass everywhere when gaming, constant whhhrrrrr all over the place
Maybe that's more so a Doom Eternal/Dark Ages thing though as it's not so bad in other games. Still don't experience that with other IEMs and headphones I've tried.

>>109872003
OG Blon BL-03 with Final E eartips. Tried many pos and I keep coming to this combination.

have you vibe EQd your pos to perfection today?
https://eqbyear.com/

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Whats the catch with Bluetooth DACs?
Saw this Hiby W4 cheap on Aliexpress and after watchin some reviews it looks like a solid DAC, but does it being bluetooth doesnt negate the purpose of lossless audio? Anyone has soke experience with pic related?

>>109872600
is this a DAP glued to a phone?

>>109872701
The name is right there dude. No.

>>109872731
cool device. buy it

Why shouldn't I buy the YU9 Que?

>>109872600
>Hiby W4
I think it still has usb c input. But bt is not far off vs wired, lots of portable or even desktop dacs have bt as option for input. My DAP can work as bt DAC too. Treat it as nice extra thing to have on top of wired inputs

i had long hoped that fish iem would mend relations between audiofools and eq maximalists as everyone seemed to like it. but alas it was not to be. you'll see even here its too expensive to get opinions on but too cheap to mock. it has been outcast instead

>>109873145
fish iem?

>>109873206
yu means fish in chinese so some call it the fish (yu9 que)

>>109873339
And the logo is a fish.

>>109871993
But what amp is that doe?

If I spend a pretty price on a couple IEMs and couldn't tell the difference between them and my cheapos, I would be livid as well.
But I don't have this problem, so..

>>109873875
Extreme poverty gang.

>>109873937
One thing I wouldn't do, since it would be actually mental, is assume nobody else could tell the difference either. Talk about severe cope

>>109872926
Precog loves it

>>109872158
Okay thank you, I'll try them out. Any chance you game? How's the sub bass there? If you any chance play Doom Eternal if you could try that with the ear tips and tell me how the sub bass is that would be great. I tried first level of The Ancient Gods DLC with the Aful Explorer and damn the sub bass was everywhere.

Thanks again dude!

Reminder that two different IEMs with absolutely identical FR, including at the eardrum, can have drastically different technical abilities (microdetails, imaging, layering, note weight etc.) if one of them is cheap 1DD and the other is a hybrid with beryllium-plated DD dedicated for the bass and Knowles/Sonion BAs for the rest. The latter is just built different and will deliver incomparably better techs. EQ won't help, can't get around material physics and kinetics.

tots on cringy budget dongle ?

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>>109874016
Only the chosen ones can tell the difference. The technology just isn't ready to measure it yet...

>>109874259
you made that up

>>109874259
Even two completely identical IEMs can sound completely different, if you can't see them. Must be the homeopathic difference in the materials during manufacturing.

>>109874259
>The latter is just built different and will deliver incomparably better techs.
what's the actual difference? and how does it result in better techs?
what are techs btw? in a practical sense. where are they in soundwaves

>>109874295
>what's the actual difference? and how does it result in better techs?
Better speed. Much less decay after the driver stops, and in case of BAs - no decay. Less intermodulation distortion. Better channel matching due to using high-quality components that are in-specs.
>what are techs btw? in a practical sense. where are they in soundwaves
The closer the sound you hear is to the data you have on your music player, the better techs. Simple as that. If a driver needs time to stop vibrating after the signal stops, or if two sines of different frequencies result in additional sine higher up the audible band, which is a result of a low quality driver wobbling due to not being rigid enough - that's bad techs. Which is even more important in actual music, because it's literally made of fuckton of sines.

>>109874259
Reminder that if the audio isn't sufficiently mixed with these imaging and spatial cues baked in already, no set of transducers can produce the cues accurately on their own.
>>109874295
>in a practical sense. where are they in soundwaves
psychoacoustics+audio mixing comes into play. it's not some anomaly

>>109874329
>The closer the sound you hear is to the data you have on your music player, the better techs.
I will say, that even if one has a cheap set of headphones or IEMs, EQing them to neutral (the least amount of coloration of the audio's playback), gives you a shot at hearing a more 'accurate' playback of the mix choices, but that only gets you so far.
Better transducers, tuned and implemented right, gives you the best chance at audibly observing a more realistic playback of the audio.

>>109874329
>Much less decay after the driver stops, and in case of BAs - no decay
Decay is entirely determined by the magnitude response.
>Less intermodulation distortion
Not in BAs.
>Better channel matching due to using high-quality components that are in-specs.
QC issue, not materials issue.

>>109873875
Same. I own 4 pairs of budget pos and they don't really hold up.

>>109874329
>Better speed
what does it mean?
also how do you know it's better? how was it measured? How do you know it's better speed that results in better techs?
>and in case of BAs - no decay
have you seen decay comparisons?
>Less intermodulation distortion
measurements?
>Better channel matching due to using high-quality components that are in-specs
how was it proven that channel matching results in better techs?

>If a driver needs time to stop vibrating after the signal stops
nice theory but what about reality?
do you simply ASSUME difference is audible without any evidence whatsoever?

>>109874350
>Better transducers, tuned and implemented right, gives you the best chance at audibly observing a more realistic playback of the audio.
Yeah, $20 IEMs EQd to perfection are endgame.

>>109874350
literal dogshit nonsense based on delusions and low IQ LLM drivel

>>109872003
I'm not sure if warm and gaming (imaging) go together, unless you mean like immersive gaming where spatial cues aren't important

>>109874373
>they don't really hold up
You could probably try EQing them as dead neutral as possible and test against each other different bits of audio..see where that gets you.
But naturally, better sets, even with their own coloration to FR, reach closer to playing back spatial cues better because they're simply better on their own.
The cheaper shit tends to squash mixes. Narrow imaging, mushed transients, inability to resolve dense and busy audio, and this is after trying to EQ to neutral. It only gets you so far if the gear is shit.

>>109874390
don't have a conniption about this and get irate- have a discussion or sit your ass down and let the real men talk. nobody thinks your piss takes are cute or impressive.

>>109869880
People use this crap?

>>109874396
I dunno I bought pula arc for lols and yeah as one might expect they were too bassy and a bit too dark and it didn't really play well with games...
Gave them to my brother cause like whatever and he says shit rocks for videogames, gives him the best techs. And he says they do not sound like they have a metric fuckton of bass...
One would think so much bass would interfere with spatial cues but it doesn't bother him at all and he prefers them over everything else he has...

>>109874416
>You could probably try EQing them as dead neutral as possible
stop saying retarded shit
>The cheaper shit tends to squash mixes
proof?
>and this is after trying to EQ to neutral
you might be legit retarded... the fuck do you mean "trying to EQ to neutral"? was you trying to EQ with your ass? use your fucking ears

>>109874428
what discussion? you are POSTULATING that 2 IEMs with same FR at the eardrum will sound different like a fucking fanatic
prove it faggot or fuck off

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>EQ my $10 flatheads to sound wider than susvara
>dunk on retarded audiofools
Life's good.

>>109874416
I suck at EQ, most I can do is boost or attenuate bass and lower mids a bit, but it's always either too muddy or too lean no matter what I do. For now I boost lower by a few db on my Nova and forget about it.

>>109874457
>proof?
I have cheap shit. Plenty of cheap sets. I can tell the difference. Many other people can too. You must be the other guy :/
>the fuck do you mean "trying to EQ to neutral"?
I meant EQing out the IEM's coloration and getting closer to the audio itself. Calm yourself

>>109874462
See, you should get your emotions out of the way first.
And if you really want to be taken seriously, stop conflating different concepts and reducing everything down to only one concept you understand. It's called being normal, but as you've just proven, you are incapable of contributing to a normal decent discussion.

>>109874484
So after you tried to EQ out IEM's colorations they still sound colored and squash the mix?
So are you retarded or just lying?

>>109874529
Do you want a discussion or a shit flinging session? Make up your mind

>>109874504
Literally nothing about you is normal don;t kid yourself
star proving that 2 iems with same FR at the eardrum will sound different
good luck
>you are incapable of contributing to a normal decent discussion
literally lies and delusions do not contribute anything

>>109874540
Give examples. Post your IEMs and EQs you applied
and what you are comparing them to

Tow different headphones with the same FR at the eardrum are already proven to sound identical, why would IEMs be any different. "Hearing" a difference in everything is a hallmark of an untrained listener.

>>109874548
>Give examples
You say this after you claim, "literally lies and delusions. Literally nothing about you is normal don;t kid yourself. So are you retarded or just lying? you are POSTULATING. literal dogshit nonsense based on delusions and low IQ LLM drivel. you made that up", etc.
You only want to have an argument as it is obvious you made up your mind beforehand to dismiss literally any bit of information given that doesn't align with your worldview. You've self defeated yourself already and I ask you again: do you want a discussion or just shit flinging? You're apparently high-strung right now.. maybe you should get some fresh air

>>109874587
uuuh? I accept your concession I guess?
just stop shitting up the thread with your dogshit lies and delusions please

>>109874625
I'm sorry you feel this way. Yes, take my concession, I guess. Whatever shuts you the fuck up right now

>>109874657
>Whatever shuts you the fuck up right now
it is very easy really just do not post any more lies

Stop complaining, faggots. You bought IEMs with bad drivers, you have bad techs. End of discussion.

>>109873875
Buyer's remorse and post-purchase rationalization is a vicious cycle

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>>109874700
Just EQ, bro.

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>>109875471
Sure thing

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>they buy IEMs instead of making their own
really guys, all you need is epoxy and 2 soldering taps

>>109872003
Tea 2 mogs Explorer in every way except availability lol.
Tea Pros aren't the update, they don't sound alike.

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og tea chads

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>>109876018

Anyone have experience with final audio bullet iems? I wanna try one of them.

>>109876665
E500 is the best and the cheapest

>>109872003
just buy HD650, hobby solved for life

>>109877051
not an IEM.

reminder that techzo doesn't even understand what an impulse is lolmao

Reminder that you're wrong and I am right

>>109877305
Are you really defending that fake CSD plot? Confusing transfer function equivalence with physical state equivalence is a categorical error on the part of someone that thinks they understand the concepts involved.

>>109877408
you're really obsessed with arguing with anons here, huh?

>>109877467
>fake
Completely mind-raped.

>>109877479
I accept your concession. You gotta be trolling..

>>109877485
Can you make a single post that isn't pure projection? You conceded when you called it fake and now you're just trolling with stupidity.

>>109877494
You're literally baiting and acting like a baby being called out on it. Are you the fake CSD anon?

>>109877500
>You're literally baiting and acting like a baby being called out on it.
Pure projection again.
>Are you the fake CSD anon?
There's no "fake CSD anon" because there's no fake CSD. You're only calling it fake because its existence makes you extremely mad.

>>109877513
Ok you're 100% baiting but I'll bite anyway. EQ changes excitation, not the driver's physical behavior. Discussion over.

>>109877519
You don't need to change driver behavior to change CSD, you only need to change the excitation. That's how electronic filters work too. Hope this helps.

>>109877513
>>109875662
That's not a real measurement, anon. You might as well have drawn it with crayons

>>109877523
you're confusing observability with ontology.

>>109877524
Prove it's not real.

Next she will say, "“LTI systems are convolution” because it sounds authoritative.

>>109877530
You think ontology matters. Only the result matters. Because you're not hearing drivers, you're hearing air.

>>109877532
I could use like 5 clankers and demolish you. You'd probably have a heart attack, tho

>>109877536
>you're hearing air.
you keep treating alteration of the measured output as proof of physical equivalence between DSP correction and the underlying transducer behavior.

those are not the same thing.

>>109877537
Clankers always lose because they're trained on garbage data just like you. Never forget you're called LLM appendage because you used LLM to analyze a graph and it hallucinated you a description of a graph that wasn't shown.

>>109877544
You'd still argue with a clanker anyway, huh? lol

>>109877544
>you used LLM to analyze a graph
that wasn't me, but alright.

>>109877543
Only the measured output matters. The question whether they're equivalent or not doesn't matter. But don't get any silly ideas. Mathematically they're completely equivalent. You can build EQ out of springs and dampers, out of capacitors and inductors, out of digital IIR filters and the result will be identical. Watch F1 videos where they corrected the impulse of suspension like that before it was banned.

>>109877566
>Only the measured output matters.
What you wanted to defend, is the notion that the "smoothed out" second "measurement" in the pic you're defending, is an actual measurement. From your clone 711 coupler.
This is an utterly brutal lie that you simply have to stop pursuing. I mean really.

>>109877571
So we went from "it's fake" to "it's smoothed" huh. Prove it's smoothed.
>From your clone 711 coupler.
The rig literally doesn't matter for CSD measurements.

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>>109877579
>Prove it's smoothed.
You edited the response in REW. REW shows the resulting graph after the edit.
>The rig literally doesn't matter for CSD measurements.
There it is. You didn't use your rig to take that measurement, because it's not a real measurement. It's an edit of one.

Nigga literally can't comprehend that IEM graphs are naturally smooth and don't need averaging lol.

>>109877589
do postal services even run during war time??

>>109877592
>You edited the response in REW.
False. I generated EQ in REW, applied it in APO and measured again.
>You didn't use your rig to take that measurement, because it's not a real measurement.
Total fanfiction. Why wouldn't I use a rig I own lol. Are you dyslexic for real? "Rig doesn't matter" doesn't mean "you don't need a rig". It means other rig models will have the same result. They only differ in the magnitude response.

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>>109877579
>Prove it's smoothed.
Here's your proof, professor.

>>109877596
there is no war because we dont have fuel to run tanks and chinks stopped sending lipo batteries for drones

>>109877608
>I generated EQ in REW, applied it in APO and measured again.
Lie. This cannot go on any longer if you're trolling and lying this hard. And for what? How fucking crazy must one be to lie about this shit? Are you really allergic to accountability? You are sick.

>>109877609
Did your dyslexic ass misread "EQd" as "smoothed"?

>>109877613
stay strong. I hope you live

>>109877620
Define smoothed.

>>109877615
Prove that I lie. Why wouldn't I measure it? With a rig that I own? And EQ with an app that I'm using?

>>109877623
The smoothing option in REW, it averages the magnitude. Only needed for speakers.

>>109877627
Ok you know what? I'll actually answer that.

Crinear Reference. Touted as "the world's flattest IEM", with an FR that is not, obviously, perfectly flat, but relatively flat.

Stay with me here.....

Your "measurement", is ruler-flat. Not, "hurr durr I measured this shit and it turned out this way", flat.

You gotta stop the fantasy, man. I mean shit, you know you're trolling.

>>109877620
Define dyslexic

>>109877639
I EQd to a flat line and the result is a flat line. Duh. How do you think EQ works?

>>109877643
Seeing one word and reading it as a completely different word.

>>109877646
Are you finally admitting that the flat line isn't a measurement taken from your 711 coupler?

>>109877650
Define conflation.

>>109877655
It's a measurement from a coupler. What exactly is so difficult for you to understand here? Use a flat line as the target, EQ to the target, apply EQ in APO, measure.

>>109877658
Which word did you misread as conflation?

>>109877668
>measure
Lie. We're done here. You have no saving grace anymore. Go ahead and tell me you accept my concession, make it seem real.

>>109877682
>>109877627

Other people measured after EQing
https://youtu.be/deIFCnfRPOs
If they used a flat line as the target they'd get the same result as me, because I'm doing the same thing as them. There's no argument against this.

>>109877698
>If they used a flat line as the target
But he didn't. There's your conflation.

>>109877726
Define breakfast

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>>109877727
The most important meal of the day.

>>109877722
>s-sure it works with one target but there's no proof it will work with another target
Is this really the best you could come up with.

>>109877722
what's the difference?
I don't get it why do you think it's impossible to EQ to flat line and then measure it?

>>109877823
I even explained to him what it means for IEM to be flat and why reference is called that (even crin was not that serious when he said it by the way) and he did not understand it

A ruler-flat measurement taken from a 711 coupler does not exist. Simple as.

>>109877942
False >>109875662

>>109877956
Oh, you're still hanging on to that lie. Well, thanks for the bait, but you are now circling back to your bullshit again. What is this, the delusional foxbum show?? Don't you have other hobbies?

>>109877936
replying to yourself again, I see

>>109877963
>>109877627

13 days left until totl brands die

>>109876186
I have both and it's not even close. Explorer sounds flat and lifeless. Up to you to believe in online aggregate reviews.

>>109877969
I'm emailing everybody at Headphones.com and they are guaranteed to shit all over you

>>109877985
Show the receipts.

>>109877981
>I have both
Post em with a timestamp or you're larping

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According to ballzo it's literally impossible to do this and then measure it. Let that sink in.

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Just hit play and enjoy.

>>109878021
LOL more manipulation. You moved it to flat with those moveable points. Holy fucking shit you're a total fraud.

>>109878049
Well fuck, pack it up, EQ with moveable points is not real.

>>109878057
>moves shit around
>"look guys I did it!"
you're the most fugazee person in the entire hobby and this isn't even hyperbole. bask in the glory, my friend.

>>109877936
there's a nonzero possibility he thinks reference is the flattest iem so it's impossible to be flatter...
>>109878049
there's a nonzero possibility he thinks graphs have moveable points for some reason...

>>109878082
that's not a measurement you dolt. you know this.
you're the fakest fuck ever

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>>109878096
That's EQ. Which you apply and then measure. That's how this works. Have you literally never EQd anything? At some point this has to be bait.

>>109878101
fake ass bitch. define sandbox.
holy hell you're cringe as fuck and I actually am embarrassed for you. like really you oughta be ashamed of yourself

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>>109878108
>define sandbox.

>>109878108
all that crap about driver quality and he never even open squig.link...

let's see how much cope replies she comes up with out of boredom and how much she replies to herself- out of boredom.
sorry /iemg/.....we really deserve better than this

>>109878126
You really don't get it do you.

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>>109877997
Also explorer cables fucking suck. After a year they become yellow and stiff like metal coat hangers, and one side actually got clogged by moisture, not to mention no metal grill to block earwax.

>>109878077
excuse me?
>>109878077
What is your problem? Do you actually not understand how EQ works???
How will measured graph will differ? Which part will not be a flat line?

>>109878143
I guess I stand corrected, anon. well done

>>109878146
>>109878152
what? huh? melty?? you ok?
>>109878126

>>109878146
>flat line
you're literally flat lining right now

>>109878181
repeat the question, but more concisely and less emotional

>>109878143
looks like colonic irrigation tubes on the left side there

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>and then he said "moveable points"

>>109878186
Why do you think that measured graph will differ from EQ visualization and in what way?

>>109878143
honestly, realest anon in this thread overall. I had to make sure it wasn't bullshit, hope you understand <3

>>109878205
repeat the question but write it in a paint program so I know you're real

How it started:
>psychoacoustics
>technical abilities
>material science
>kinetics
How it's going:
>you moved point on a graph you bloody benchod!
Has there ever been a bigger aura loss in a single thread?

>>109878245
define aura

Define brother?

define sandbox is crazy

>>109878039
so my qrd thoughts after 30+ minutes:
-tonality is solved issue already with cheap pos, you are paying extra for "techs"
-first 3 tracks qith fresh ears were like "it's okay" but then shit started to get into me - that extra psychoacoustics details that were new to me - more depth, sounds perceived below jaw and so on. basically more 3D perception of sounds compared to my other pos
-very occasionally there is hint of sharpness in jpop/jrock female vocals but it's negligible
-when running comparisons Cantor and Noah they sound less complete, flatter, less detailed (it's up to individual if that difference is 'worth the price increase' but there is a noticable difference when comparing directly)
Overall very competent and enjoyable pos. I don't regret blind buying.

>>109878277
noticing technical advantages over cheap pos can get you in deep doodoo in here, my friend. I applaud your hearing

>>109878297
I'm regular here aince 2023 or something. I know what I'm getting into ;^) Also: always do the opposite of what 4chong tells you to

>>109878307
Do not EQ.

>>109878277
>-very occasionally there is hint of sharpness in jpop/jrock female vocals but it's negligible
looks like you paid extra for ear rape instead

>>109878368
>jpop/jrock female vocals
>ear rape
blames it on the IEM lol

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>define sandbox

>>109878386
rent free

>>109878297
>he thinks he's the thread's jester just because he believes in techs
Lol

>>109878439
Define techs

>>109878457
nta but techs are interactions between IEM and your anatomy resulting in a specific FR at your eardrum parts of which your brain interprets as "soundstage", "separation", "dynamics" or whatever dumb terms you want to use

Actually techs are not just about FR. Too much or too little isolation can influence how you hear and how your brain interprets things. Acoustic impedance influences techs too. In general lower acoustic impedance is associated with better techs but it is not necessary always the case

All that mumbo jumbo when really techs start with the audio.

>>109877971
i really cant wait lol. i will enjoy every second of audiofools kicking and screaming. these last coping appeals to "technicalities" are the death throes of a dying era

>>109878541
Oof, sorry you're deaf

Just remembered a /hpg/ anon that's been listening to hd800 in mono for a year and didn't notice. The number one component of techs is being deaf.

>>109877971
What happens then?

>>109878564
once the full understanding of fr and eq reaches critical mass, it'll spread exponentially. enough people understand it now to where it can no longer be put back in the box, which means convergence is inevitable. your cope here is expected and just part of the show

>>109878586
My roommate had his high refresh rate gaming monitor for counter strike, it was time where 120hz TN panels were super expensive, totl stuff for real games, everything else was 60hz. And when we gained access to high refresh panels in phones ( i think it was just 90hz panel) we noticed that his TN panels feels super slow in comparision.
And it turned out that for years he had been using it in 60Hz mode instead of 120Hz, all while insisting that the monitor made him a better player. He was even thinking that we switched his monitor to 60hz to prank him.

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>>109878573

>>109878586
One time I was fucking around and turned on mono forgot about it and went to take a shower. When I returned for like 30 minutes I could not understand wtf was going on lol I thought maybe my ears were wet and dumping my IEMs or something.

>>109874329
Why won't Sony and Samsung use BAs in their flagship TWS? Surely their superior impulse response would be useful for ANC.

>>109878573
- Haha DF + Tilt go BRRRRR
- *Autistic screeching*

>6ms latency, lossless
Is the wireless curse finally over?
https://youtu.be/Td8cfIUu4pg

>>109879672
>$700
>pre-obsoleted by moondrop gaming headset
EU just can't compete

>>109878573
DF+tilt is literally built on logic

>>109872600
the battery is there and it's going to be murdered in a few years

>>109877051
>>109877203
Trvthear PVRE is similar but in an IEM form.

>>109878039
based OG My Soul Your Beats enjoyer, not the fucked up girls dead monsters rock version
oldschool workstation synths have so much air that can be appreciated on a pos with EXTREME OVERWHELMING TECHS
more of this vibe:
https://youtu.be/FoAtSdLv5bU

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fear not iemg, someone at this moment is reverse engineering techs... we just need to wait for the formula

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>>109880284
Found them.

>>109880014
The battery on my qudelix caught fire during charging lol. I got another one but by then I figured out a different system-wide EQ already so I don't really use it.

Recommend an iem with high transience speed, microdetails, superb technicalities while remaining very musical, with maximum resolution?

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>>109880530
CCA CRA without eartips.

>>109880530
FiiO FH3.
>bass
Beryllium-plated DD capable of pistonic motion at extreme speeds without deformations due to its light weight and high rigidity, basically a holy grail among DDs. Thunderous subbass and warm-ish midbass that gives impact and note weight without muddying the mids.
>mids
Knowles ED balanced armature, used as a full-range driver in hearing aids and expensive IEMs. Here it's dedicated to mids, leaving the rest to other drivers. It's natural and detailed.
>treble
Knowles RAD - a legend of its own. Crisp, detailed, yet airy treble with all the microdetails you might want.
>shells
Made of aluminum-magnesium alloy, a material that's often used to make good quality drivers (yes, drivers!), but since it has drivers that are even better, you can enjoy a luxurious, extra-rigid, very lightweight build. There are no filters in the nozzles, so there's no moisture condensation in this all-metal IEM. Furthermore, acoustic design, including S.TURBO for deep, snappy bass and acoustic chambers specifically designed for wide soundstage, you can enjoy extreme imaging of the top quality drivers to the fullest.
>tuning
It's tasteful, mature, kilobuck-derived W-shape tuning with lots of energy in the bass and the treble, but balanced out with mids in a way that treble is not harsh. Seems V-shape and kinda neutral at the same time. Definitely well done.

>>109874396
Yeah, I should have been more clear. I want something for casual gaming, like just chilling and playing Doom with music playing in the background like I do here: >>>/wsg/6208921

That's how I like to game. I have a more accurate IEM for when I want to play competitive stuff like CS. I've realised that I only really listen to music with IEMs while I'm gaming at the same time, so I need something that works for both. Like I said, Aful Explorer for my music taste alone is fantastic but it doesn't work with games like Doom Eternal. Like in that webm I posted there, for me there's constant WHRRRRR sub-bass all over the freaking place while using the Explorer. I just need something that's similar but takes that crazy WHRRRRR away (I think it means it has 'slow decay' or something? I'm not an audiophile guy). Good bass is essential for me and a warm sound signature in general that doesn't hurt my ears like the Tea Pro does. I swear that shit makes my ears ring even with treble reducing tips like Kiwi Ears Flex. I can't stand the Tea pros, I don't know how people listen to it. Sure like I said I'm not an audiophile guy but I was using generic earphones/headphones my whole life and nothing has ever bothered me like Tea Pros do. Maybe audiophile guys are all somewhat deaf from this hobby so the high treble given by Tea Pros lets them hear shit they haven't heard in years? I kid.

>>109880871
Dammit I missed the post: >>>/wsg/6208937

>>109872600
You'll be left with a USB dongle after the batt dies. Not a paperweight like with TWS buds tho so it's a decent trade-off.

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tots on this techs ?

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Built for BBC.

>>109879672
The part where Oratory talks about musicians and latency... it's a solution to a issue that doesn't really need to be solved IMO. All musicians learn very early to play with "latency", e.g. hitting guitar strings in anticipation of the rhythm, leading it, instead of following it. He admits good drummers adjust for that, but even random garage bands adjust for that.

>>109879672
He ends the video claiming measured FR on rig is not an adequate or reliable indicator of sound quality for closed backs since it deviates meaningfully from how it measures in his ear. Industry graphs eternally btfo

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>got the Truthear Gates to replace Linsoul TANGZU Wan'er S.Gs, one broke after dropping it and had a loose connection that annoyed me
>have a decent cable for them
>the Gates need an outie not an inny cable
reeeeee

>>109881798
we knew that for a while...

>>109881886
gates have like the best cable already lol

>>109882067
That's good to hear, the cable was shit on the ChingChong Wanker SGs

Define stereo imaging, anons

>>109876997
E500 or the Zero Ultima?

>>109882787
Placement of sounds in a stereo field. Argument over

>>109883101
>sounds
*balls

>>109883410
of course, what was I thinking. thx

>>109882948
E500 for dark and warm
Zero ultima is kinda the opposite

>>109874329
>BAs
>no decay
>Less intermodulation distortion
That is literally the exact opposite of how that works. We normally stuff dense dampers into receiver exit bores to control peaking behavior. Resonant properties are strong, deliberately so.
BAs are also highly nonlinear relative to moving coils, but probably not relevant to perception.
>which is a result of a low quality driver wobbling due to not being rigid enough
Rocking is not the same thing as the linear sound velocity.

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I want to demo bird iem

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>>109878207
Moral of the story is, don't blindly trust graphs. Trust your ears.
Explorer's bass is boring and textureless. Tea 2's is lush and full. I have shit eating grin when they rumble during bassy segments.

Does anyone here actually have IEMs from campfire or is it a meme?

>>109885191
>Our founder, Ken Ball
>Ball
it is a meme

>>109885049
>I have shit eating grin when they rumble during bassy segments.
After EQing particular sets to a certain target and making further preference adjustments as I test my library, I end up with a big smile on my face too.
When I get to the point where no further adjustments need to be made and the tracks just hit, I find it profound and reassuring that
JM-1 is the best EQ baseline for preference adjustments I have come across thus far.

>>109885191
i sold my solaris in like mid-2021

>>109885326
>JM-1 is the best EQ baseline for preference adjustments I have come across thus far.
Skill issue. The 5128 DF is slightly brighter, and you just need to adjust the treble shelf a bit more to get the same sound. But that's aight. It's not your fault. You've been gaslit by headpos show.

>>109885384
>Skill issue.
bait. I'm talking about coming up with my own preference on my own terms. you're a maniac for even insinuating the thought that you get to dictate any part of that process.

I am curious though, why do you think population average is a bad thing as a starting point for making preference adjustments?

>>109885384
>"You've been gaslit by headpos show"
>"But I'll repeat their words as if it's gospel when it helps me win an argument anyway"
Have fun w that

>>109885510
>I'm talking about coming up with my own preference on my own terms.
If you weren't retarded, you would've achieved that with the 5128 DF as well.

>>109885634
Yeah, no. You're not the arbiter of anybody's personal experience but your own. Worry about yourself instead of being filled with jealousy and rage from other people's enjoyment.
Best of luck to you

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>POS-ition
was it intentional, guys?? i think yuki is lurking iemg

>>109886268
It's pos-sible.

just get apple earbuds

>>109886406
fuck off dms

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>>109886406
Obsoleted by foxbuds.

just get pos with better techs

>>109886438
literally what is that? yet another piece of trash that'll break in 6 months and cause you some ear infection? does it have a cute anime girl on the box at least? because it's all that it'll be worth

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>>109886491
>ear infection
oh my sweet summer child. Imagine how bad thing are with 5usd shitbuds that goes liquid after 1 year of use

>>109886551
>5usd
it's $5. just $5. only a third worlder would say "5usd".

>>109886560
im third worlder esl, im writing usd

>>109885384
You can achieve any result starting from any target.

>>109886491
It has a cute fox on the shell.

>>109886658
they were suggesting that 5128 DF is somehow more relevant than JM-1 and then avoided explaining how when asked, implying that JM-1 is redundant or unnecessary.
I hope that anon could elaborate on their beef with JM-1.