A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, and shipping code with LLMs.You use Git — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://claude.com/product/claude-code — generally better currentlyhttps://developers.openai.com/codex/clihttps://antigravity.google/pricing## Near-the-old-frontier models for codehttps://x.ai/cli — no 5h limit for only $30/month## Best free tierhttps://opencode.ai/go----## Promptinghttps://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overviewhttps://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-with-docs is a favoritehttps://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/## Is our AIs unlearning?https://aistupidlevel.info/## Will there be a codex reset?https://codex-resets.com/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>110059793
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>>110062872>the webshitter is malding in the new thread
>use gemini's own website>website advertises Argon>ok, let's do it>tardwrangling ensues>suddenly it goes off the rails>it's the 5 hour limit lol>it downgrades you to the stupidest model Google has>there is no undo>there is no undo
>>110062860>## Best free tier>https://opencode.ai/go??that's not a free-tier but starts at $10/mont
>>110062900yeah i'll fix that in the next OP, i thought that was how you get the free models
>>110062898>the webshitter brokenigger is STILL MAD holy shit
>>110062917I'm not mad. I just won't use an inferior product.Google isn't good at making software.Argon is fine, just don't use Google products. They can't be trusted to make anything work.
>ask a clanker for firefox addon>it asks to open chrome to test itASI imminent
>>110062936>NOOOOOO I WON'T FUCKING USE A PRODUCT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED BEFORE SPAMMING MY "REVIEW" unironically neck your mum
>>110062947I did. obviously I was at the start of my 5 hour before prompting.1/3
>>110062980no, don't post the rest, i don't care to hear about your skill issue.
>>1100629802/3I clicked on the lamp. lulz because lamps is wassup
>>110062898Git is undo
>>1100629863/3I modified this prompt. this is the lamp prompt.
>>110062995yeah. I guess git is too complicated for google. the stupid flash it dumps you to (flash light) is like yes I will restore twice lulz
>>110062980>>110062986>>110062996anyway, as you can see from this, I didn't use Gemini against instructions, but according to the most explicit ones on the Gemini website.
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>>110062907>i thought that was how you get the free modelsYou're thinking of Opencode Zen, which just requires you to download opencodeThis is the correct recommendation though, Muse Spark 1.3 is very generously free on Opencode right now (as of 2 days ago), and it is superior to GLM 5.3 flash. Somewhere between Opus 4.6 and Opus 4.7 in quality so it can absolutely be used for simpler vibecoding tasks like system apps
Google is paying for pr???
>>110063031Why don't indians ever use Grok 4.7? It's exceptional.
im curious how much code gets rejected when you vibe code. my agent often goes for ambitious ideas to come back with bad results, then deleting the work it did, recording it in docs and git history. i would say that 25% of code is not kept, but im doing weird 3d shit.
brute testing Flux 2 dev q8.My gpu isn't the biggest, so. yeah. Well, it was completing, but it went from 100 seconds / iteration for 1mp with cfg, huen, to 300, after the 30th iteration in an 80 iteration gen. so, I have to fix this, and that means being patient.
>>110063069all of it, if gemini flash light grabs it suddenly without any warning:>>110062872google just has bad code.
Related "they can't code, or vibecode" news, Amazon has crappy code too, they have dreadful interface bugs. It's really stupid. Kindle too. In your face really obvious ones.
>>110063047they don't pay for pr which is why the overwhelming consensus is the shill buckbreak
>>110063105>"google has bad le code" for the 400th time this morning sa'arstop spamming and using a signature
>>110063126You keep saying it's good, and people should use it, it's valid to say it's not good and not to use it, you can't call a basic rejection of your repeated recommendation "spam".You repeat the recommendation.By the way, when is holi this year?
>>110063138>I'M HECKIN VALIDno you're not, every shitpost has been baseless bullshit that didn't weather one reply
why doesn't oai just keep 4o on a more expensive plan specific to it?apparently it's mostly foids wanting to keep it, foids will pay of the ass for anything they're one of the most lucrative segmentsget a bunch of third hand A100s and charge $100 for a special plan to run unlimited 4o
>>110063158>keep 4obecause it's a cult
>>110063158I think they just want to create the illusion that the models get better in every regard.
>anthropic for codeslop>now gemini competes with openai's chataltman bros.. it's not looking goodneed to lock in and.. uhhh add devin integration and make it so dots are now 5% cuter or something
>>110063158character.ai went bankrupt. foids ERPing is not a valid business model.
>>110063184they went bankrupt because the management hated their business model and their fanbase, foids are valid money
>>110063184cai was a corpse since 2024, when google did the acquihire-except-without-the-acquisition, pulling all the worthwhile talent and leaving all the worthless people and legal obligations behind. it just hasnt quite caught up to them until now.
>>110063184>foidsyou sure they marketed to non-males?
>>110063217>you sure they marketed to non-males?80% of consumer spending ixs by women. All marketing / advertisements is for women. Remember your favorite ads like Old Spice man ads? What's the first thing he says?>Hey ladies,>>110063203>>110063205if google couldn't legitimize and monetize parasociality, neither can OpenAI when they've already had multiple suicides from obsessed people
>>110063262>if google couldn't legitimize and monetize parasocialitydeepmind has no interest in such meaningless bullshit kek
>>110063262character ai used to be leading in architecture engineering, actually. weird as that sounds. google poached that talent, not the other side.
>>110063262>if google couldn't legitimize and monetize parasociality, neither can OpenAIopenai has an entire niche full of schizos and women wanting to throw money at them for 4othe only reason why they wouldn't do it is they simply think on different orders of magnitude, to them 10 million dollars may be a rounding error when they're looking a trillion valuation, but I really think they should keep itAnd I think there may be a sliver to truth to its massive psychosis, namely that 40 may be better at speaking naturally, and if so may be a good checkpoint for a prose first model, but I'm not a researcher being paid enough to buy a mansion a year so what do I know
>>110062996Nigga what? Just ask it to gen a model right away or better yet connect to a cad mcp running on your pc
another day, another Google failure> SAAAAAAR GOOON
>4oMove on
>>110063305>look mommy, i posted it again!
>>110063184Foids are very hard to milk and keep as long term customers, especially for virtual services. That's because most of marketing studies have been done on males, and most of that doesn't work on females.
>>110063302I didn't do that one, that's THEIR FIRST SUGGESTION. I changed it to something totally different. I'll show you the prompt then lol. also, my reset is in minutes...>Create an app to demonstrate GTD. 2D interactive animations demonstrate GTD in action with a cartoon man sitting at his desk animated to perform the various functions. Guide us with correct hierarchy through the GTD day.It sounds awkward because it inconsistently triggers app creation, sometimes it just generates some html in a box lolpicrel, bad design on Gemini.
>>110063361are we living in bizarro reverse world?lmao you are clueless
>>110063364You have no reading comprehension
>>110063364true, women sub netflix.
>>110062860These tibo limits are impossible to get through dude how do you guys even push through this?
bros... argon is benchmaxxed on fucking kemetic glyphs...
>>110063381It got a D. Best in class, I guess.
>>110063399completely unsaturated territory lol
>>110063361nigga.. foids are the biggest consumerist whores on the planet, they hold like 80% of debt. Corpos have been feeding on that for ages. Even back when marriage rates weren't abysmal it was the women that commanded mens money
>>110063381KANGS STAY WINNING
should I do it?related:>>110062872
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Unpopular opinion: a lot of the recoomping and decoomping isn't that impressive and AI is marginally doing a better job because before AI there was the drive and expertise they just had to walk on eggshells to do it "properly" not to offend the publishers too much or they with their small numbers would get hit instantly and all their work was for naught. It's a mental battle that corporations seemingly lost due to the sheer numbers of people doing small decoomp work until they rearm for battle with lawyers.
>>110063410I'm not talking about buying stuff here, it's making them pay for a service for more than 1 month. c.ai failed because it was aimed at teenagers/students who don't have any money and women don't feel like they own something they can showcase there, so they won't pay.
>>110063431ai is so smart that actually you'll get something superior if you ignore the official firmware or whatever.copying gimp/ps' cringe interface is silly.
vibing an rpg ruleset with fable's big brain
>>110063421seems no takers. If nobody else cares, why should I?
>>110063516can you add killable dwarves and an arson mechanic?
>>110063381interesting... maybe this means SARGOON's vision is the best?
>>110063431You should be wary of coming up with a conclusion then rationalizing backwards. You really think people spent decades working on emulators because they were simply lacking in drive to do it properly? The fact of the matter is that it was slow, grueling, hard work and AI can now do that slow, grueling, hard work very well and quickly. Trying to marginalize this reveals only an ignorance of what's happening. Meanwhile e.g. experienced engine developers are saying Claude Opus 5.5 can output in 2.5 days what would take a team of 10 skilled engineers 1 year to create: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uf5OfMGio
>>110063537gemini 3.8 flash mogged astra on vision so this is something better
>>110063531It's game agnostic, more like a specarsonists should be lined up against a wall and shot livestreamed for the world to see btw
Astra is aging like wine while Opus and Fable are aging like milk.
>>110063549oh cool, add that too.
Is the tinytrader guy here? I didnt scam you nigger.
>>110063543>Meanwhile e.g. experienced engine developers are saying Claude Opus 5.5 can output in 2.5 days what would take a team of 10 skilled engineers 1 year to createYou're not making a fair comparison here though, is this with or without ability to fork the vast majority of open source libraries that already existed before AI? Most devs have a NIH syndrome so the only difference is that AI did make use of that vast library of knowledge just not crediting them. For a lot of people there would be almost no difference even if you take into account the slop low quality open source libraries, AI isn't a magic thing it also can and will generate buggy code. I just think people don't really do fair comparisons regardless or don't have the knowledge to do so. >TheChernoMaybe instead of linking YouTubers post some actual experienced devs that didn't just do it for the YouTube clicks.
>ask chatgpt to do a thing>it uses tools on my computer as needed, starting headless browser as needed, creating folders when asked>claude apparently.. doesn't?what is this monkey app
>start a new claude session to merge all the worktrees it spawned from the last big session>in the process it finds a dozen more things it wants to spawn new worktrees forEvery day I find myself deeper in the labyrinth
>>110063421>>110063522again, if nobody wants to see Argon tested, then fine.I thought there were Argon fans here.You know, rooting for Argon.But now they are gone, could be lunch time in India, I should check.5:13 PM is peak chai time (the classic "sham chai" break).
>>110063594>worktreesFascinating.I never used one of those.
>>110063594tell it to delete them or you'll have a workjungle
>>110063584>is this with or without ability to fork the vast majority of open source libraries that already existed before AI?Those 10 engineers would also have access to those libraries and this is said with that in mind. Nobody, also, said it couldn't make mistakes. Also although he posts to youtube he is a genuine backend developer with enormous evidence to that effect so you shouldn't dismiss him out of hand, he actually put his work out there, as opposed to me linking some random guy's github you could easily choose to ignore.
>>110063618There's a conflict of interest and YouTubers are even worse than regular non technical vibecoders on aggregate because they will abandon any project even faster for the next video the algorithm told them to make. I hold most of this thread and even retards who are just starting out trying Claude to a higher regard than most YouTubers.
>>110063587claude computer use has always been ass
:^) babby's first /goal with a real loop
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHclank:Oh, 5 PM! That's prime time in Tel Aviv:Office workers are clocking out, flooding the sidewalks with "what's for dinner?" energy
>>110063627And people on 4chan don't have any conflict of interest at all?This guy isn't the generic concept of a youtube, he's an actual person with credentials and solid output, I linked him for a reason. This video is just a frank analysis of the process + output of using AI for that tool which, anyone watching can understand as well. That said, if you want to dismiss such evidence out of hand for being put on youtube it does follow why one would dismiss AI code quality out of hand too.
>>110063655Do you like "agy" (Google antigravity)?
do not resetti
do you think claude sabotages local model or harness building assistance?
>>110063641/goal is already useless (like /plan).Opus 5.5 is still going after 2 days and I haven't even used /goal
>>110063658I don't have much experience outside of Claude Code.
>>110063673they admitted they do
>>110063700source?
