Western governments are cracking down on fun, so I would like to move all of my naughty films into long term storage. I have realized that Zoomers don't seed and that the Golden Age of Sharing has passed. Are there any better solutions or is this it? I feel a bit silly for buying an entirely separate machine just to read and write to 6 TB data cartridges full of tape, but I don't see another long term solution. HDDs and SSDs drives fail. Discs are too small. Besides, even with the machine included I think this is the best long term solution. Will buying a smaller version of this machine get me put on a list?
>>110097807I tattoo my data as binary on my nuts for long term archiving
>>110097807tapes and blurays are probably the best option we have and you should feel lucky that you even have a working tape drive. I went the bluray route but snoy stopped producing them recently so tape is probably going to be the only answer in a few more years.
>>110097807Just use a fucking cloud like everyone else.
>>110098380Tapes are dogshit 1970's technology. What fuckig retard used tape in 20-fucking-26
>>110098396you clearly never had a real IT job in your life, retard. they are the best long-term storage tech we have right now. perhaps you know of a better way? little pissboy pissbaby nigger boy? hm?
>>110098396Tapes can store 10 TB for literally five bucks a tape.
>>110098420Yeah there is a better way. It's called iCloud you dumbass low IQ baboon >>110098431>Tape breaks Welp thers goes that data.
>>110097807the problem is that there's a big jump from like $500-700 for a tape drive that uses lto-6 (with 2.5 tb tape size) to like $2000+ for an lto-7 drive (that has the 6 tb tapes)i've personally resigned myself to getting an lto-6 system it's just going to be really irritating keeping track of all the tapes
>>110098521Used units are less than $1000, which is doable. It could probably pay for itself if I whored the machine out on craigslist to data fiends.
>>110097807I'm with you anon. HDDs are veering removed from brick and mortar. the goal is to force consumers into posing for cloud storage from the data centers. the overarching goal is YOU VILL OWN NOSSING END BE HEPPY!
I went Blu-Ray like this anon >>110098380 and ended up burning like one or two discs in the couple of years I've had the optical driveSony's not the only manufacturer of BD-Rs, but last time I checked it *was* the only manufacturer that did 128 GB discs, with the other companies only limited to 25/50/100 GB. Then there's the whole HTL vs LTH rabbithole where you really need to make sure you get the right type so that your discs don't disintegrate in a couple of years.Regarding the disc sizes, I guess smaller discs make eventual user errors easier to swallow so it's not that bad.As for longevity, you can always maintain your collection by burning the same data onto new discs in some 7-10 years, it's not like you have to get 100 years out of any single disc. And maybe some new physical media format comes around in the future, who knows (wouldn't bet on it, seeing the general direction things have been going for a while)
>>110098380wait, are you saying Sony no longer makes DVDs and Bluesy, or just for the games?
>>110097807Pointless expensive bullshit and a waste of money. You can't convince me anyone here would put anything on there worth anything.
Its more so bittorrent is a shit protocol that has failed in its goal of preservation and sharing of media.We have all this powerful tech and internet laying around and nobody is using it. Decentralized does work its just being thrown away. The problem is there's no incentive.
i just want the prices of dram to go down
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>>110098740>muuuh vydiogaymeeesFuck off
>>110098733People just realized that willingly connecting your computer to a literal botnet is probably not a good security idea.
>>110097807LTO-5 seems like the sweet spot for price and size. 1.5 TB uncompressed, <$500 for the recorder.
>>110097807> Zoomers don't seedthey can't torrent
>>110098851Yeah it's sad.
>>110098710being*paying*
>>110098380Tape is a horrible long term storage option. Unless you keep it in cold storage in a electrically shielded container. The reason companies use it is because it can still hold in such conditions for around 5 years maybe. They advertise "30 year storage" but anybody who works with them knows that unless you keep multiple back-ups and write the tapes uncompressed you're probably not going to be able to pull anything off the tapes in 5 years. They are infact the opposite of a good data storage system. You're bettwr off throwing an ssd into a drawer uncovered than you are trying get data off a compressed tape in 5 years.
>>110098711They stopped making LTH 10 to 15 years ago. This is a non-issue for anyone getting into Blu-Ray now.For me the issue isn’t the media, its the reader.Pioneer, LG, Asus have all pulled out of the business. I have no idea who Verbatim is outsourcing the manufacturing of their shitty slim drives to.
>>110098740I just want the prices of HDDs to go down.The current crisis is demonstrating that high capacity SSDs were a fucking meme, you don't need more than a few hundred GB for boot drives. The industry should have ramped up HDD production and standardized to SAS.
>>110097807Can these not fail as well? See >>110100610 this is my solution. Backup your irreplacable data and then downconvert the movies if you have any. I use my 4700U laptop for that, it uses about 10-15 W and needs 1-2 days for a large movie but then saves at least half. I also remove audio tracks that I don't need.>>110098396I also wondered that they even make 6 TB or so, I thought zipdrive was a 90s thing. But if the prices are real you are likely better off buying HDD. Anything can fail. >>110098851That too, its typical that no one seeds but you need some persistence and ideally a 24/7 server or PC dedicated for this task. >>110100121And THIS. Most people don't even use HDDs how are they so pricy... HDDs will likely remain to be the hoarding drive because SSDs are expensive and there is not much benefit when you just hoard.I just looked, the new prices are currently worse than in 2015 when I bought a 4 TB Seagate which I found really huge at the time. This was my first ever hoarding drive. Currently I live with a single 6 TB that was not meant as a permanent solution but the prices made it one. Fortunately it still has capacity because of the AV1 method. Quality feels the same and the only downside is that weak devices without acceleration may not playback well.Something like discs sounds not to viable either when you have to use a single drive for each media but I enjoy the comfort of having anything on one storage avaiable for streaming.
>>110098749retard
>>110100698>I use my 4700U laptop for that, it uses about 10-15 W and needs 1-2 days for a large movie but then saves at least half.You're just wasting time and electricity to butcher your films' quality. Just keep seeding the original files if you have space to spare, and if you don't delete those that are well seeded (since you'll be able to download them again later).
>>110097807You want the data then you have to pay for the cost of data hoarding, replace the failing drive once every warranty expired. It is a rich guy playground now due to data hoarding becoming expensive with soaring hardware price.
>>110097807optical, there's simply no substitute.the only medium that survives magnetism and water. writers are easy to be made again, even if they stop for a while, unlike crt's.
>>110098502Precisely the kind of reply that a little pissboy pissbaby nigger boy would post.
>>110098748>>110098740Just use a cloud you destitute nigger.Your gaymer shit is being used by grownups now.
>>110101493Are you a retard? DRAM affects everyone even the cloud. Building a local NAS hurts and building machines just in general
>>110101493shit for begins retard
6TB is too small to justify tapes, unless you got everything super cheap. Tapes also need to be stored at right temperatures apparently.
>>110101493
On early 2000's we had some forum (which name I can't recall) where nerds listed *-R mediacodes and how they perform. But if Verbatim is the only existing manufacturer of BD-R media, I guess it doesn't matter.
>>110098502>>Tape breaks >Welp thers goes that data.what do you think happens when a CD/DVD breaks or a HDD breaks or an SSD or a USB stick breaks
>>110098390goddamn but you're retarded anon.
>>110098502>>Tape breaks >Welp thers goes that data.Tape is easy to splice. You'll inevitably lose SOME data, but the rest will be fine. Meanwhile, if your hard drive suffers a head crash, best of luck trying to get anything off it without sending it to a specialist recovery service and paying hundreds for the privilege (whilst hoping you have nothing on there you wouldn't want a stranger looking at).
>>110101493>Costs more than buying the hardware>Typically has some bullshit restriction on exporting data>Potential for sudden unannounced data lossCloudshit is shit.
le sightapes suckdata is a 'living' thingit can't just be put away forever (at least with current technology)tapes work as backup and archive within the living data contextmeaning that they are a temporary storage point for near term retrieval, not long termtape drives are rube goldberg devices full of plastic gears that go brittle and break and rubber rollers that perish or turn to goomylar tape lasts an ok amount of time in ideal conditions, but its still relatively fragile, and vulnerable to magnetic fieldsso while you might have tapes that haven't degraded in 25 years, the tape drives almost certainly have. and you don't want to rely on the secondary market for a working drive which is just as old and badIMO optical discs are a better option but their limited storage capacity relative to even e-waste tier tapes makes them unpopular, and often a bad fituntil we get glass media, we will have to rely on keeping data alive on whatever storage media we have, be it hard drives, SSDs, or tape.tl;drtape sucks beyond the near termdata has to be kept current and moved to new media over timet.30 year sysadmin
>>110103135>Costs more than buying the hardwareLiar.>Typically has some bullshit restriction on exporting dataJust use rsync or S3 transfers.>Potential for sudden unannounced data lossAlmost like the average seagate drive you server has.
>>110103531This and a dessicant packet is the only cost effective solution.
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>>110102787HDD can be recovered a lot of the time. Will cost you a pretty penny thoughPersonally I prefer SSD’s that are much less likely to die during a fall. The whole ‘they lose data when left unpowered’ is a bit of a meme.
Every physical storage medium has a bathtub shaped failure rate. The only way you can ensure long term data integrity is with a living data management policy. For as long as you want to preserve some bits, you will need to buy and upgrade storage media.
If you look at the majority of your storage, you will find it is mostly old music (MP3/FLACS), which aren't that much space unless your library is huge and movies and tv shows, many of which you can get with a sub to netflix and amazon prime video.
>smart buy bd-rs used to be 20 bucks and now they are 25 bucksnoooooo i hate inflation
>>110103531The only problem with optical, especially blu-ray, is that barely anyone makes drives anymore.>>110106072Are smart buy discs any good? I got a pack of dual-layer ones a while back.
>>110106155yeah i had them for 3 or 4 years and i haven't had a single issue with themi only get the 25GB ones because i get more for my dollar. if i get the dual layer ones i am paying for convenience and i am getting fewer GBsi don't mind switching discs
>>110097807>Are there any better solutions or is this it?I would say hdd are currently better for this when you factor in all the pros and cons>but I don't see another long term solution. HDDs and SSDs drives fail.everything fails, the ONLY solution is multiple copies of your data at multiple locations.some will say you need multiple technologies but there are really no alternatives to lto and hdd for bulk cold storage.>Besides, even with the machine included I think this is the best long term solution. the point of failure is the drive, same as with cd/dvd/bd whereas hdd are sata/sas you'll always be able to find a way to read/write them for cheap, this is MASSIVE for actual long-term storage.reminder that lto is evolving constantly but the tech is barely backward compatible (only one gen), if your lto tapes are from older generations you may not find a working drive to read them a few years down the line and you'll have to rely on used stuff.>Will buying a smaller version of this machine get me put on a list?noI've though about this a lot and my current strategy is to use hdd and to upgrade to bigger capacity as soon as it makes sense, this entirely depends on your strategy.>>110098396wrong>What fuckig retard used tape in 20-fucking-26every single company in the top 500 and beyond.>>110098502>Yeah there is a better way. It's called iCloud you dumbass low IQ baboonhow much a year for 400TB of cold storage? asking for a friend.>>110103531you're right, lto is designed for companies that constantly upgrade their stuff anyways so backward compatibility isn't really an issue.this is why I suggest hdd for average coomsumers.everything sucks at some point, long-term archiving is a life-long activity, there is no set-and-forget-see-you-in-30-years sadly
>>110106058>many of which you can get with a sub to netflix and amazon prime video.Go back to Facebook.
tapes cost too much and too bothersome to use. just buy two 20tb hdd and you will be set for the next years.
>>110106316>no alternatives to lto and hdd for bulk cold storageHDDs don't last as long. >If your lto tapes are from older generations you may not find a working drive to read them a few years down the line and you'll have to rely on used stuff.LTO is an open standard, so this can't be true. Everyone will be able to manufacture every version until the heat death of the universe. The hardware is proprietary, but what if I just spin the tape slowly with my pinky finger like it's 1999? 'Member rewinding tapes like that? How hard can it be to make a tape turn slowly? https://www.lto.org/licensing/licensing-process/https://github.com/NotARaptor/FOSSILSAFEhttps://github.com/samuelncui/yatm
>>110106497>HDDs don't last as long.10 years at 20°C in an anti-static bag inside a shielded case is fine for hdd even for helium-based ones (I would still recommend to put critical data on air-based hdd (under 10TB non datacenter models)).power them on once a year to check their integrity and you should be fine.at the current pace we may have 100TB hdd in 2030, unless lto reader get way cheaper, hdd will stay a viable option for a long time even with the upcoming lto11 and 12 that should massively increase the capacity of tapes.I also wish for ibm to drop their other tape tech as they basically share most of the things with lto anyways, that may improve availability of cheap drive on the aftermarket...>Everyone will be able to manufacture every version until the heat death of the universe.ibm is the only one making drive right now though.>The hardware is proprietary, but what if I just spin the tape slowly with my pinky finger like it's 1999? 'Member rewinding tapes like that?there is not a single factory on the planet right now that make CRT and VCR, most bd drive manufacturers are leaving the market, the risk is just too big whereas sata is here to stay, billions of device are sold each year that can read SAS.NEVER EVER underestimate manufacturing, when we say tech is lost what we actually mean is that we don't have hte production lines and the people to build things, of course we have the maths, the physics and the papers but it does not matter one bit if no one can make the stuff you want even if there are no patent left and blueprints are readily accessible.>How hard can it be to make a tape turn slowly? veryeverything we manufacturate these days is the result of decades of trials, errors and deaths, you won't just speedrun decades of experience in manufacturing just like this especially at scale with the required level of quality for actual logn-term storage.
>>110106401My Battlestar Galactica folder is 319GB.
>>110098521don't know what your hobbies are but building a pi based tape robot library/loader sounds like a fun winter project
Be careful with used tape drives anons. Maybe I am just retarded but I've bought 7 used lto5/6 drives off ebay and every one has some kind of problem. The furthest I got was one that was able to write data for a couple hours but eventually hit an error. The ones that can actually mount tapes shoe shine constantly. I have also bought many different tapes of differing brands, tried with different computers and different operating systems. Only other possibility is a bad hba but I doubt that would result in the wide range of errors I was getting. I put the blame on the drives. I suspect part of this problem is that the ebay sellers only check for drives which post and call them good if so. Earlier this year I realized tape was the best solution for cold storage and yet I have given up on it. It seems that you really must invest a huge amount of money to get a guaranteed working drive. If any anon has advice I'd love to hear it.
>>110098711disk rot
>>110097807just buy platter HDDs and have a few separately stored copies of anything that's actually importantcheck on them every ~5 years or so and replace any that have issuesthis will outlast your own lifespan, and nobody you know is going to give a single fuck about your porn collection, no matter how spicy it is, after you're dead
>>110097807>>110098380If you want local and don't have a tape drive just get spinners. They're the best compromise, even though they're expensive now too. Make backups regularly and keep them locally or at another location if you're a schizo. I'm not sure what the best option for a NAS is these days with all the insane prices.. I built mine in early 2024 and it was like 3x better than those Amazon prebuilts for the same price but that was before the world went mad.
>>110114102 (me)Also with the seeding issue, get into private trackers. They are much harder to get into now than they were 15 years ago, but if you really want it and are autistic they're very doable. Simpcity is surprisingly good for what it is as well, though I think they closed registrations a while ago. Keep an eye out. Clearjav had open registrations yesterday if you are into JAV. They might be closed already though.
>>110098390>Just use a fucking cloud like everyone else>>cloud server goes offlineWelp, there goes your data like everyone else.
>>110106497>HDDs don't last as long.i have a poorly stored (left on a shelf) 18 years old seagate hdd that is still working fine.
>>110097807I'm going for SDs and microSDs really, as I get the feeling they'll be around for a while still.Am I wrong?
>>110097807all data storage devices fail, just get HDDs, a lot of them so you have backups
I have like 30 2.5 hard drives from dead laptops from 250Gb to 1TB in size.I'm thinking about combining those in one big array for backups with raspberry pi, 30 port usb hub and sata-usb converters.Speed is non issue here, it would be just target for backups. What software should I use to get one big pool from all those drives? Snapraid?
>>110118519>30 port usb hub and sata-usb converters.buy a proper larger HDD for the money you'd spend on usb hub and 30 sata-usb adapters
>>110097807antisemetic
>>110097807>6 TBIsn't that kinda small for LTO? Most i've seen are 30-40TB
>>110097807>Western governments are cracking down my naughty films youre getting the firing squad pedoscum
>>110117498you're wong
>>110117498SD cards and USB flash drives are notoriously unreliable
