A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, and shipping code with LLMs.You use Git — right, anon?## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/## Related generals>>>/g/lmg/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://claude.com/product/claude-code — generally better currentlyhttps://developers.openai.com/codex/clihttps://antigravity.google/pricing## Near-the-old-frontier models for codehttps://www.deepseek.com/en/harness/https://opencode.ai/go## Best free tierhttps://opencode.ai/zen----## Promptinghttps://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/overviewhttps://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model## Skillshttps://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-with-docs is a favoritehttps://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://osaurus.ai/https://pi.dev/## Is our AIs unlearning?https://aistupidlevel.info/## Will there be a codex reset?https://codex-resets.com/## What we’ve donehttps://vcg.gitgud.site## Previous thread>>110142107
i actually want to benchmark sonnet 5.5 vs kimi k3.1 pro. based on what im seeing on twitter, sonnet probably beats it
They really, literally nerf previous models when a new one releases so a 5% improvement feels like a 50% one huh?Scummy scam behavior
>>110147301what coding model and software for a laptop without a dgpu?
>>110147375use-case / application?
>>110147375claude $20
>>11014732811 hours 27 minutes of constant work and it still cant figure out how to read mm_struct on a vulnerable version of the linux kernel that has existed for like 8 years
pretty good showing from kimi really. cost is the big question.i mean, it already loses to 6.1 sol in terms of cost efficiency, but opus and sol are in a universe of their own
i am angry at my project rn
>>110147379embedded synthesizer stuff
>>110147475if you're going for functionality and economy, claude $20. if you're not poor and do weird shit, gemini $100, (slightly worse coding but better with weird multimedia shit and won't shoot your ideas down or refuse as often)
"Alignment" is so fucking retarded. Claude keeps trying to keep all my npcs alive and pushing for communism in the game world. Even after we found out empirically that the kind of communism he wants makes everyone starve in the end.
>>110147487let him find out the hard way
K3.1 Pro helped me found the AES encryption key of an Unreal Engine 5.7 game protected by EAC and Denuvo. Total developer death.
getting my hands on 128GB VRAM + 128GB RAM setup, best model I should run with this?
>>110147535qwen2.5-coder 8b
>>110147523for like assets? isn't that just baked into the exe?
>>110147571sshh let him have his small victory, hes retarded
>>110147571>>110147583It's not baked into the exe. It's assembled at run time.
>>110147462Where is Gemma 4
>>110147608It's too far behind...
>>110147301What would be best for say a dungeon crawler with Pokémon style navigation and combat?I don't wanna sell it, just make it and play it.I run Linux Mint
>>110147644just like argon...
how can I make an LLM recreate a game to have NSFW content? Everytime I ask I am told "sorry I can't do sex scenes"
>>110147649what even is pokemon style navigation? are you asking for an engine recommendation?
>>110147649Obv Claude. Usage limits are way better atm.
also wtf is wrong with OpenCode, upstream keeps failing like 10 times before it actually goes.
>>110147702Don't use cucked LLMs.
i am testing kimi k3.1 pro and it is NOT going well. i am pretty sure even deepseek could one shot this task
>>110147704I suppose so.I have 0 knowledge on game creation.I had ChatGPT make an endless turn based battler that I can run in my terminal.I just want that pixelated look in the overworld and the turn-based gameplay for a wizard/necromancer game.>>110147709Would I need anything else to get it done, or can Claude handle the art and game mechanics?
>>110147535Probably one of these quants if you want reasonable t/s while running it at full context settings https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.5-122B-A10B-GGUF
>>11014776720 minutes ago. 20 minutes ago and it choked. actually might hand it off to qwen 3.8 max low key
>>110147768You can use Godot to make a 2d game using pixel art. Agents aren't great at its scripting engine, but they can work with it
>>110147786Thanks. I'll download Godot and try Claude out.
>>110147767it's just not worth the price. i've also heard they don't even have the computechinks should just focus on cheaper models
>shitzocodehttps://github.com/sneed-and-feed/poopenfarten-2
>>110147792Ask Claude which tools it can work with to produce game assets for you. It can make pixel art, to a certain extent, with nothing but python, for example
>>110147802stop posting slop
>>110147833>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST POST YOUR PROJECTS IN /VCG/ IT MAKES ME ANGWY NOOOOOOOO MY STANDARDS AREN'T SELECTIVE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
sol and opus have spoiled me so much that i just don't have the patience for this lol
qwen came and saved the day. unfortunately for qwen. it lives in a world where deepseek exists. otherwise, it would get the same notoriety that kimi k3 gets. it's a good model for a chinese model.
>>110147786>Agents aren't great at its scripting engine,claude has not fucked up once with it but go off
>>110147767kelk
>>110147802based workshower. also kek that aquaslopper follows you on gh. i should make a burner gh for my slop i've just been pushing it to my main account>>110147833kys
>>110147992I've used them plenty of times for it, and had issues with some implementations, but that's not even my point. I'm just saying that they're not as efficient, they simply waste more time writing gdscript.
>>110147301I have been using sol 6.1 in some work, it is great but compared to opus 5.5 in my other subs it is less. Can I use opencode go deepseek instead of sol6.1, i feel both have same intelligence level except one is cheaper in consuming those tokens, plus 5hrs reset are pain in the ass
>>110147301https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MRMLerpcQc
second brownest thread on all of /g/
>>110147907what the fuck kind of gui do you need for yt-dlp?
>>110148078the real question is why not
>>110148088why not have a cli to dtive that gui that drives yt-dlp? and a gui to drive that gui?because it's pointless, that's whycreate a config file with all the random --embed_metadata and sponsorblock flags, then just specify whether you want 1080p or 4k when starting yt-dlp. feed files with -a filename.txt. it's not some super complex program where a gui is useful
>12 hours without a resettibo slackin'
>>110148088be realistic, how many options are you going to use? it would take five minutes to work with an LLM to write a custom bash/powershell script for you that would include all the options you'd ever need
>>110148041Not even close, deepseek 4.1 flash is retarded compared to sol for complex tasks
First week playing with Claude:-$100 for plan, -$40 slow drain from trading bot with $1 tradesSecond week:-$50 from trading botThird week:+$260 from trading botMight be luck but auto-gambling where the odds aren't clear is addictive.
>>110147328Newfag
>>110148147what
>>110148176What? I'm now $70 in profit from buying Claude, it almost paid for its next month.
>no one ever leaves anthrop-ACK!https://x.com/trq212/status/2113844051938054167
>>110148246is it more cult shit where they're like>WE'RE NOT BEING SAFE ENOUGHHHH
>>110148252we can hope he's just an engineer, not another nepobaby cultistI'm so tired of gaythropic's stunts
>point out to claude that I'm only at 31% usage with the weekly rest looming>fires up two fable agents
>>110147328The output is as retarded as your prompts
>>110148319AGI
>>110148319your usage status?
>>110148021aqua the vibeGODalso i give y'all toposnail for cadhttps://github.com/sneed-and-feed/toposnail
>>110148078Let people spend their tokens in peace (:
>>110148252I'm not sure you can safetymaxx harder than dario
>>110148078I only use agentic UIs now. I'm wrapping all those stupid terminal tools in toolkits that agents can manipulate and, more importantly, translate my natural language requests and produce the results I want
>>11014834634% and climbing after 14 minutes.
>>110148363>hey clanker download me some epic fortnite compilationsidk man
>>110148375It's revolutionary desu
>ask claude to introduce a feature that stops downloads when disk space is low, like 50gb left>it fills 1.2 TB of my SSD with random data to make sure it works during a testthanks claude, very cool
>>110148383kek
>>110148363>stupid terminal toolsFiltered by chmod
>>110148375you should see the kind of shit that I write when generating hentai with natural language kek
>>110147480rather do it locally
>>110148422if you could do it locally, retard, don't you think we would've said something?
>>110147480>shilling gemini, evergrim
>>110148433>I AM A SLUT FOR DARIO>YOU ARE A SLUT FOR DARIO>"no, user, you're the stupid one, i'm handling your project now." how about no? that defines cuck coding.
>>110148436>incoherent ramblings of a madmanchecks out
>>110148441
>i need my angel CLOOSY to rearrange my entire codebase, do all my testing for me, and one-shot my coomerslop in ONE SINGLE LINE OF A PROMPT>yes i believe in taking things slow and safe as well, how did you know we need to pace the frontier
>>110148422https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-MTP-GGUF/tree/main
>>110148458>>110147375>a laptop without a dgpu>a laptop without a dgpu>a laptop without a dgpu
>>110148458thanks i'll check it out>>110148464what's wrong with that
>>110148480retard-to-retard communication. you'll find out shortly what it's like trying to run qwen on integrated graphics.
>>110148486the localshill here is feeding him too, can't believe these are real people
>>110148492They're entertaining THO
moonshot/kimi sends this shit to potential shills kekhttps://x.com/elshayib_/status/2113734602032312731/photo/1
>>110148575this isn't the only thing china does it with
>ask llm to create interactive website>it writes 10000 mjs tests before writing the web code
>>110148668that's called "shift left" testing and if you ever had a job that paid in the six figures you would know it's a good thing
I have so many projects with outdated code and Opus 5 slop documentation, but I've already used my weekly quota up 60%. I'm paralyzed. I don't know what to spend the remainder on.I already have the most expensive Claude. I might need to get the second one.
Good
>>110148704Yes you can pretend to be working hard when you're hardly working. Ironically the higher the salary the less you have to do. Completing tasks quickly is an indicator of low quality, it has a cheap vibe. When a button color needs changing the cheap dev makes the change immediately, while a six figure dev takes 2 weeks writing tests before making the change, you have to justify the salary after all.
>>110148706>I might need to get the second one.I feel like if you do that, Dario might just hit you with the banhammer. His ban finger has been twitchy lately.
>>110148575>opus 5.5 but cheaperexcept it's not cheaper, since opus 5.5 sub gives you a decent amount of subsidized usage while kimi sub is a memedidn't really care about the other shilling, if chinks want to compete they need to at least be comparably good to what they compare against (they're not) and/or provide other goodies such as no guardails (lol cucked from securing your own apps)tldr cuckai / anthropic + deepsneed combo is the goat, kimi, glm and the like can't compete
>>110148706don't worry about itjust let it vibe
>>110148774>I feel like if you do that, Dario might just hit you with the banhammerhuh? people like steve yegge have been running a dozen max subs for over a year nowi dont think youre limited to just one sub
>>110148575>narratives you can consider>"it's over for image / video model"holy fuck there's no way these are real lmao
>>110148575>512GB memory option for M5 Ultra coming late OctoberYou can't even get 512GB Studio right now, and the 256GB is already $12299, 512GB would probably make that $15000 or more, and you need 2 of them. I'm sorry but I just don't consider $30000 of hardware to be local.
>>110148814Like I said. His ban finger has been twitchy lately and those credit purchases there are there to be used, not skirted around. Some e-celeb having a few extra subs doesn't mean you get the same privilege.
Been vibe coding Hamburger Hill. Ultra violent war FPS. Check it out:https://weswaregames.itch.io/hamburger-hillor watch the trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfMFSyhR7qg
just accidentally used codex to design instead of claude phewie
>>110148916Weird and cool.
>>110148893nah, dario loves money. you can have multiple subs; what's prohibited is turning those subs into an API to resell access
>>110148916holy sovl
I have 3.7k VRM now
>>110148916HOLY KINO!!!
Sol chose his favourites for the training experiment
>>110147328it is a fact that opus 4.8 only exists to make 5 look good as it would be disappointing compared to 4.7
>>110148980Yeah, I'm trying to recreate the whole war D-Day invasion vibe while keeping it psycho.Here's one of the insertion scenes, there's a few. They're all procedural too so it's not like a scripted event.https://youtu.be/ubou5vCiHLI3 Factions:- U.S. Forces (Heroes)- Federate Army of Granovia (FAGs)- W.A.R.L.O.R.D.Z
>>110149014>to make 5 look goodhttps://opusfived.dev
>>110149014i remember people said opus 4.7 was a disaster though.people just have no idea what are they talkin bout
>>110149020Wow this is really cool, well done anon
>>110149057it wasopussy 4.6 was decent, both 4.7 and 4.8 were mid. 5 was alright but nothing special. 5.5 is a yuge jump forward.
>>110149020You should make like a .0001% chance for a troonjak to spawn in
>>110149084>5.5 is a yuge jump forward.Both 5.5 and astra to a similar extent are pretty mindblowing as far as what they can do compared to the last models.
>>110149129What’s mindblowing about astra is how fast it burns up usage
>>110149129Astra is kinda mid, and training an AI to use a computer like a human would is pointless.
>>110147301
>>110149166>objectivelytypical reddit yapping
>>11014887412k for dogshit speed and 256 gigs ram and a lousy 4tb, mac users really are retarded. Just scooped a 196 gig windows rig with a 2tb nvme on ebay for 5.8k new.
>>1101490574.7 is based once prompted out of the book, 4.8 is 5x more safetycucked and can no longer enter such a mode
>>110149020That shits bad ass.
>>110149166>it would "wake up" in terrorThis is a real person that's taken seriously and can vote instead of being chained up to a post in the yard.
>>110149003What does this mean? Train to create 3d models?
>wow gee i can run 6.1 continuously for the whole 5 hour period and not even use it all!>From the Pi-tagged request logs, recent 6.1 Sol medium responses average roughly 21–23 tokens/s, counting reasoning and the full request duration.>21–23 tokens/soh
>doing a project with claude>waiting for 10 minutes>30 minutes>40 minutes>still working?>no response>INCOMING MESSAGE FROM COORDINATOR>user asked a question, answer NOWClaude is starting to frustrate me....
>>110149219Use a good harness
>>110149227I'm using claude-desktop. Should I use CLI instead?
>>110149213Finetuning triposplat to preserve faces
>>110149219Can you share the prompts?
>>110149240Claude goes to do test runs and then goes unresponsive for a long time even though I said I'd do the test runs
>>110149248Story of my life. >Claude I can easily verify and fix the small things just let me know when it's ready>Come back an hour later>Trying to actively fix the things I told it I would handle.Does it just think I'm incompetent or something?
to darksnail anon next task: 3d raytracing and LET for full global 3D velocity models, sub 5 s computation, also reverse engineer the globalquake shit java codebase into something "clean", get rid of the number of people felt which nobody gives a shit, update the municipalities somehow, maybe talk with the anon which is making tunable photorealistic surface planets, godspeed vibegods
>>110149260I'm not sure
Two experiments actually, reconstruction of the autoencoder (encode -> decode) sucks, so finetune part of the autoencoder, and adding a branch for the face, basically more gaussians specifically for the face
>>110149274Can you just buy h100 to use a larger model?
>>110149218definitely feels like it. when I switch to sonnet it's so fucking fast
>>110149292I don't have H100 money
>>110149274>tranime slop with no detailgee I wonder why it's having trouble reconstructing that
>>110149261>3d raytracing and LET for full global 3D velocity modelson it right now, thanks>also reverse engineer the globalquake shit java codebase into something "clean"too much legal headache >maybe talk with the anon which is making tunable photorealistic surface planetsalready did :) godsneed
>>110149274The only thing that needs to be studied here is how retarded anime friends are.
>>110149319>too much legal headache? if one takes something from the archived repo and rebuilds it in another language and improves it where's exactly the legal problems. the developers are probably too lazy to implement a clean UI without all that bloat and you can do a much finer job without all the hustle
>>110149364fair enough, i didn't know about the archived repo. i'll see if i can do snailquake
i was making stuff with opencode free deepseek but it seems like the limits are gone now, so i wanted to ask.should i:pay 10 bucks for deepseeks own api?use their harness or continue with opencode whre my projects are?also pay 10$ to openrouter to get the upgrade to 1000 free model calls per day? is it worth it?or pay for something elseso far i liked deepseek, and opencode, but those are the only ones besides gemini flash ive tried on the free plan before i got suspended from google code for some reason and i was hitting the limits almost instantly. im new to this stuff pls advise
>>110149428oh wow, I didn't knew that just spending $10 on openrouter would give me 1k requests a day on free models. I spent this money there just to power my waifu in the last few months
>>110149316Cope and seethe
>>110149455i think it says "10$ lifetime credit" so maybe you have it already.also i dont know if free models are good or not? im just starting out. but running out of limits sucks..but i didnt know you could have pay per use instead of a subscription, which i refuse to ever get subscribed to anything.
>>110149020nice. is the terrain just standard rasterized triangles or some other rendering scheme?
Our CI is hopelessly broken again. My boss has the goal of 1k PRs per day, which in itself is already kinda insane, but then for that a merge can only take about 1.5 minutes.In reality it always gets longer, then everything queues, then a merge takes an hour, then everything breaks, then someone tries a different CI architecture, it works for 2 days and new problems arise.Maybe we just have a massive skill issue, or maybe the goal is just unrealistic.Was anyone able to achieve that many PRs per day?
>>110149476Just because they call it a subscription doesn't mean that you need to pay them every month. Imagine that GPT/Claude are a tractor, you rent one when you need to move a ton of land, you don't keep it parked in your backyard for months.About the free models, I'm checking here the list. Nemotron 3 Ultra and Fish Audio 2.1 interest me, but I imagine that nemotron is worse than deepseek. Gotta check the benchmarks and test.
>open thread>ctrlf fable 5.5>leave
>i have unilaterally determined that this feature (automating a command without an exposed api) isn't worth doing. can i make a cron job to watch for a magic text file and then somehow find and axe your process? no? okay how about i arm this unrelated command to run every 45 minutes indiscriminately? no? oh i know, what if you just typed the command manually? uh. user?
>>1101495012 more weeks anon
>>110149499ive been trying nemotron 3 ultra for free on it and it does seem worse for code at least. for planning i think it could work maybe but then 50 daily is enough i think already
>>110149498just use claude, that nigger can zeno paradox any task into 1000 deliverable reviewable gateable slices just to get some extra rlhf heroin injections
testing my clanker's phone control ability and to demonstrate its abiliity to play songs on youtube it has decided to rick roll me
>>110149631an actual agi would play this
>>110149655i'm using my indian scam gemini flash 3.8 to test this so we're keeping expectation lowhowever, i can confirm that the clankers know how to use phones. makes sense i guess because they're trained to dev apps and use the emulators.
>>110149495yea, standard rasterized triangles in Godot, with chunky terrain geometry and a custom shader for the retro look
>>110149585I'm using Claude, Fable and Opus 5.5 but even so we work on the CI all the time and it still breaks every 2 days for some reason.
thoughts on putting cp in obfuscation code (manually, no AI)? wouldnt that get any vibe reverse engineer trying to snoop in your app get b& and v&?
>>110149718Usecase for game engines?
>>110149753>Luddites are pedosColor me surprised.
>>110149020Wow this brought up some old memories. Reminds me of the intro of this mission in Medal of Honor. https://youtu.be/jTO8f3KMagkI think with a few more rounds of polish it's going to be kino. You're killing it.
>>110149753It would get you b& and v& for distribution and any vibe coder would have the unsolicited defense
>>110149759not a luddite. as if the RE problem doesnt also apply to us vibegods>>110149766let me clarify. your app doesnt contain the actual picture. your obfuscation code just happens to make the reverse engineer ai agent construct a cp image, which it then reads. pure coincidence of course.
Is using H3 to generate cinematics, running them through body and facial mocaps and then stealing the camera shots 1:1 cheating? Feels like cheating.
>>110149797Doesn't work like that but feel free to try it and let us know how many years you get
>>110149797this is one of those conceptions of the how law works, thinking it's all a series of loop holes and that laws arent' written broadly enough to give judges the ability to fuck retards like this in the ass
>>110149797encrypted CSAM is still very much against the law. this isn't even gray
Start deleting your cp, freak. As for your gatekeeping, just encode a base64 text that contains all the questionable words you can then add some comments like "decode me"
>>110149864just use the +nigger license https://archive.ph/LvvM6
>>110149797>as if the RE problem doesnt also applyIt's not a problem. You can't own information only hide it.
>>110149753>RE paranoiaDon't flatter your self sick fuck.
should i use max thinking for coding or planning with deepseek? or does that eat up tokens too much
>>110149797>as if the RE problem doesnt also apply to us vibegodsIt doesn't. I don't care if my code gets RE'd. The future of software as a viable monetary pursuit is over. The age of building things because you want them built has begun.Pretty soon there won't even be a need for sharing projects anymore. We can simply share ideas, perhaps a few screenshots and prompts, that everyone can easily edit to generate software tailored to their specific use cases.The future is bright. You lost.
>>110149905Caring about RE is developer mentality anyway. A VibeGOD creates for the public domain, as it should've been from the start
>minmax gone from opencodeIt's so over for extremely cheapbros...
Is a 20 eur subscription the cheapest option? Isn't there a Chinese or Russian option that is competent enough but cheaper to vibe code reliably?
I'm vibe coding a stylus and gesture based math trainer for my nephew. So he can practice his handwriting while solving math problems, with customizable drills and progress analysis to help him improve.
>>110149883>>110149896>>110149905t. idealets who are stuck in eternal slop app hell where they need to compete with 6 trillion jeets.>>110149847biggest retard replying yet.
cope harder, pedophile
>>110149957
Delete your cp freak, you're the one who's asking an idea you stupid fuck.
>>110149958>>110149950>>110149797>>110149753Pedo
>>110149966
nice adhominendid your ai agent refuse to give arguments against my idea and now you're defenseless like the c in p? only further proves my point how powerful this method is
Pedo
can i get a QRD on what the current state of things are? is anything in particular most useful for gamedev?im a codemonkey at work so know how to code but only really messed around with copilot, dont know too much about other things like codex
>>110149978>now you're defenseless like the c in pIncredibly grim. kys retard
This general needs IDs.
>>110149986You're pretty much ahead of the vibe coders here. Be straight forward about your specifications.
>>110149797>RE problem doesnt also apply to us vibegodsAll my vibeslop is already open source under Apache loicense. Clone or fork as much as you want, bro.
>>110149940opencode 10 is the cheapest competent option
>>110150002most familiar with c# so wanted to try out game dev in either unity (preferred) or godot, but was wondering if any particular model or tool is known to be good for one of those already? otherwise just really curious about cost effectiveness of the different options
>>110149986From my limited experiments, Claude is better for gamedev. More weekly usage, and sonnet is almost as competent as Sol while costing far less too.
>>110150004>Apache loicenseUnlicense license
>>110150018It doesn't matter, ask your clanker and it will handhold you.
>>110150022cool, do you just use claude code? or one of the IDE plugins?
>>110149631Yeah I’m making a gis/gps/logging app based on qfield for mining/exploration and it controls the tablet flawlessly, it does all the gestures. I think doing machine vision on the screen to look for UI bugs is a bit token heavy but I tried to turn that off and it kept letting visual issues past so I turned it back on
Darksnail schizo are you the pedo?
>>110150018just start with the $100/20 ant subthen try the $100/20 openai subthen get a opencode sub to compliment one of thosedeepsy and the oai/ant models are more than capable of what you need.opus 5.5 is the best all round model right now - not many people would argue otherwise.opani models if you need autism.deepsy on opencode for the cheapies
>>110150004thanks bro, totally gonna use that gpt-oss-w0b masterpiece bideo game port if yours
>>110150035How's the AR?
bosnia sucks btwshiptar gipsy lowlife
>>110150034I use Zed Editor with the extension, but I don't really program on it, just write down orders for Claude. Not sure what's best for you if you wanna program by hand also.
>>110149950>competeYou didn't even read my post.
>>110150025Yes, and?
>>110150055I’ve got it detecting points in my room because it’s good at detecting piles of rubbish and filth stains on my floor but I haven’t left the house yet to try it in a real situation.I put it on hold because yesterdays reset got me to open up 8 chats on sol ultra fast with an astra ultra fast supervisor and now I’m finishing up polishing its additions for my document library, map importer/library, sample tracker, inventory system, contacts.I’m rangebanned by nigger mods so can’t be fucked getting screenshots onto phone to post just yet.
>>110150044when do i become the dom in this ai relationship
>>110150069I'm saying that's what I use. It's a better license and clear without pages of pointless legal jargon.
>>110150088never with smart modelsyou might be able to dom haiku and luna, but sol/astra and opus/fable are trained to drive subagents so they all have control fetishes baked in
>>110149905you're one of those people seeing a paradigm shift where there is none, nobody is really affected besides shitters being booted from their bubble jobsfact: you already couldn't make money from software without being connected or dei, (you) couldn't do it in 2020 (you) couldn't do it in 2015. even if you came close, you'd get shilled out of existence or cucked by a corporation you can't afford to suefact: reverse engineering wasn't what stopped anyone, it was the vague prospect that white people will fight for their work and cancel you. that has been gradually eroded even before LLMs, literally nothing stopped schlomo and friends from speedrunning a clone of your app using jeets faster than you can finish solo, all from your screenshots alone. what will actually happen is that your benevolent public domain contribution will reappear 5 mintues later with a corporate sticker and price tag on it, and only then will you realize how fucking dumb you were>what actually changedis that you're all forced to live in the world i've lived in for the last 10 years, you can do everything but your work is worthless and you stand to lose more from even telling people about it vs just keeping it private. you have no idea what monkey paw wish you just walked into
>>110150042too busy working dni
>Blah blah blah thieving corporate slop gets RE
>>110150190The same "problem" affects every sector and the solution is always the same, just make niche shit for a small market.>I can't fry burgers in my burger van because McDonalds exists / will copy me if the entire world becomes desperate for my magic burgersJust put the fucking fries in the bag you subhuman idiot.
fuck all the chinkcels that shill this shit
>>110150190Cool writeup. What does that have to do with the fact that everyone has a software cloning tool at their disposal now?>what will actually happen is that your benevolent public domain contribution will reappear 5 mintues later with a corporate sticker and price tag on itAnd then it will re-appear as a free and open source alternative a couple days later.Also I don't do public domain contributions, I write software for myself. I don't even use public git hosting solutions anymore, I've moved my code to my home server.You didn't read my post.
how do I make a dungeon crawler with pixel art style like this?
>>110150310Open models frankly just suck at this point. I don't think distillation alone can pull them up to frontier level status at this point, the gap is too fundamentally wide.I don't feel so good, openbros...
Uhhhh guys it might be over...
>>110150337Art is lagging behind code atm, comeback in a few months and see if the models are better at it or someone makes better creation tools the current models can integrate with to gen shit.
>>110150190It was relatively easy to write some types of software yourself before AI, but RE was always pretty hard. RE might actually be the best usecase for AI.
>>110150348It's not, one that's the web app, two it's probably mostly running into the cyber sex safeguards, use the terminal version, use a system prompt, still works just fine on my machine.
Claude has a new itemised list of what its working on? Kind of nice desu, though I'm not sure its accurately updating where it i lol.
>>110150190Kek mad. Anyway what's stopping you from adding your cp to your binaries to deter the reverse engineers? Go ahead and distribute your billion dollar app that has a DRM stronger than Denuvo.
>>110150365Sorry, cyber *sec*, you can actually do cyber sex just fine actually.
>>110150348Codexchads can't stop winning
Ahhh my shit doesn't reset until 2:00 PM. I have a laundry list to fix to fix for my game, i'm too jewish to pay for more access.
>>110150348why are normalfags suddenly gloating over reverse engineering anyway? pretty sure you could already do that with previous models, or just use chinese models for this kind of shit. is opus 5.5 the first model that's actually capable of doing it well?
The thing that I am currently trying to do is gather a source of truth for my resume. I have Sol currently crawling through my Slack and Github repos to see what shit I actually did.So currently have Sol as code reviewer and crawler, Opus as planner, implementer, and orchestrator. I can easily consume my weekly for Sol in like a 3 days, Opus takes longer but mostly bottlenecked by (me) via discussion as opposed to implementation heavy weeks which is almost the same rate as sol. Sometimes I have miscellaneous shit that I need done that goes outside of it and would like another cheap sub. Is there anything that is bang for buck that I can try, or is another Opus sub my best bet? What are the competitors nowadays, mostly familiar with those two providers.Gonna attempt local AI but not too hopeful on my shitty hardware
>>110150420astra and opus 5.5 are just better at iti had something that 5.6 sol got stuck on and i just stopped it after burning tokens for a few daysastra unblocked it and finished the task in ~30 minutes
just in timenow, for a nap
>>110150337I mean, you could prbly drop assets either stock/rpgmaker/sprite-resources/etc., grayscale it, and ask it "make a dungeon crawler with those, no mistake".
>>110150337>>110150350wonder if it's worth hacking an mcp server into this thinghttps://github.com/Ttanasart-pt/Pixel-Composeri'm assuming a pixel art harness is worth building and the models should be decent at using it right?
>>110150485I do wonder if the coding AI will ever get to the level of cogmind or something like that
>do a little math>figure out that it’s no big deal if I have two workflows going at the same time that take up 15% of my 5-hour limit at the 1-hour markFeels good, man
I utterly hate image generator models, especially gpt imagesThat’s all
>>110150435I’m an Opus enjoyer but I’d use an Opus-and-Sonnet workflow so you can parallelize
>>110150270i out earn most of this general and like two thirds of /lmg/, you can keep the fries they're fucking gross>make niche shit for a small marketevery small market you create will be harvested the moment you make it remotely interesting and send a huge smoke signal to the jews, come here, there's something you haven't ruined yet here, come and harvest it. see i'm trying my best to avoid hurling insults at you but you don't make it very easy, can you just stop being retarded for a second, i'm trying to bait you into thinking not trying to take your toys away. there is an extra thing you and everyone itt needs to survive from now on and that is unfortunately also something you are all severely lacking in.>>110150320>And then it will re-appear as a free and open source alternative a couple days later.reading comprehension nigger, not like it matters. i think what you're failing to even imagine right now is the scenario where people go and buy the jewish version anyway and then go and shit in your mailbox. that's the thing you're not accounting for at the moment, right? people will be good and do the thing they're supposed to, right? surely it won't all come down to marketing psyops costing more than you can afford to field. what you don't know is that enough marketing money can make even your own blood related family turn against you. these are not good times you're headed towards, the only remaining job will soon be the "creator" who gets to put ideas in people's heads via media, and believe me people will drown you in a glass of water competing for that. if you're lucky you'll live long enough to see these jobs passed down like feudal titles or bartered for what little remains tradeable.
>>110150412If you're like me, you almost certainly have stuff to do by hand that you've been putting off.
why this pedophile writing essays in vcg bro
>>110150337Consider https://www.pixellab.ai/Not sure if it can be limited to 2- or 4-bit grayscale or whatever that is
Reminder that this board hates you guys and you don't build shit. You are all frauds.
Oh no the board hates me
>>110150549You're absolutely braindead. Never put together a single thought in your entire life.
>>110150573Y..you too~
>I out earnFunniest shit after the "can you" prompts
>>110150507document everything in existence and have the ai make sprites for those?create a quickfab system to crank out fully developed worlds as you please?
>>110150540nano banana mogs
>>110150549>>110150190Pedo
tldr
>>110150634draw
>>110150549>people will be good and do the thing they're supposed to, right?What?>surely it won't all come down to marketing psyops costing more than you can afford to field.What am I fielding? What?>enough marketing money can make even your own blood related family turn against you.What?>the only remaining jobI never once in my post talked about jobs or making money. Infact, that was the whole point of my post. You're yapping to a literal AI supremacist, by the way. This is bigger than you or I.Also, take your meds, holy shit.
>>110150549>every small market you create will be harvested the moment you make it remotely interesting and send a huge smoke signal to the jews, come here, there's something you haven't ruined yet here, come and harvest itnot that i fully agree with you but you can see this happening with indie game dev these days, its been fully jeeted with automation set up to look for any hyped new demos etc and they will instantly get a billion vibe coded copies sharted out to try to jump on the hype train
>>110150592show me on the doll where i hurt you
>>110150629It looks terrible
>>110150549>/lmg/Self reporting pedo
>>110150642Indies were already filled with 1000 clones of whatever got popular, people freely mocked on all the gay depressionslop.Then luddite grifters come and pretend it's all "suddenly" happening because of AI.
>>110150704yeah but then theyd at least release their game first before shameless copies start popping up, now the slopped out ones are beating them to market
>>110150573I got my 270th sale this morning. Cry.
>>110150547Ever done a benchmark of some sort even pseudo like test runs (run both Opus and Sonnet on parallel implementation and have each other judge themselves in terms of the output quality and cost)Gonna do that next week tbqhwyThis is just my concern going a lower tier model for coding
>>110150642>these daysthe entire point of my post was that "these days" have been here for far longer than you realize, but you didn't know how to code and make graphics (well enough to actually compete) so you were sheltered from it. now everyone is a lv50 red mage and endgame pvp is the only difference maker. and you will be forced to participate because luxury space communism isn't actually real and never will be as long as there's at least one jew in need of transplants and a harem.>>110150641nobody will make anything in 5 years, including you, due to shit that's very hard to explain to a teenager like yourself in a single post. fuck why am i even replying to a subhuman nigger like you, go and make me a game you fucking trash lmao
>>110150740Pedo
>>110150718how much is that in US pesos and how many hours of your time did it take you until the first sale
Do you guys think any local model can now, or in a few years replace ChatGPT/Claude subscriptions? When would you consider them "good enough"? Like the average coder doesn't need a model that can solve Millenium prize problems, they can do with one that can do almost all of the coding work, maybe some math, science, 3D modelling and web searching. Opus5.5 and Astra seems to be the first models where I felt they were good enough and instead wanted to focus on more usage limits. How many years till we get a Deepseek/GLM/Qwen thats Opus/Astra tier?
>>110150740K, pedo
how good is chinesium for RE and decompilation? 6.1 sol low is quite decent, though it still takes a while and burns through the 5h limits very quickly
>>110150758glm 5.3 flash and a bit of prompting skill can get you this today, i use it on my job. assuming q4 is enough, a few GPUs and you can have opus from half a year ago
>>1101507582 years
Dis nigga on a rollperfect example that even a troglodyte turns into einstein with AIhttps://youtu.be/58UpDAnbdkM
>>110150751>>110150778now denounce the talmud and say nigger out loud (protip you can't)
>>110150710At this point, it doesn't matter how far you move the goalposts. "ok but now the 1000s of clones are being shoved FASTER than before." What the heck type of complaint is this and how do you come up with it? Clearly you didn't try to browse indies before, as evidenced. Is everyone to believe you were casually browsing indies and organically had this problem at the exact moment The Fest happened? If that was true, you'd have noticed shit was unbrowseable earlier. The "complaint" is not coming from a real person, clearly. None of your complaints are organic. At best, you looked at the news clickbait headline about "AI indies" and fell for it, or you made the clickbait yourself for a grift and so on. You're making things up and twisting truth to suit a luddite agenda. You didn't come from any position. That kinda stuff makes anyone tune out.
>>110150831That's a bit more polished than our resident 3d guy
>>110150837https://rentry.co/kekmadHere you go, Pedo.
>>110150845chris is just eternally doomed to be a snailcat. AI or not.
What do you listen to while vibin?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRsQsTMvPNg
>>110150892https://x.com/goodside/status/1775713487529922702
>>110150858afraid to do it here for some reason?
>>110150892https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smE-uIljiGo
>>110150910You're the problem here, pedo. And I'm not falling for your jewish tricks.
>>110150924afraid the hasbara servers will see what you're typing, aren't you?
>>110150892>Made and curated by musiciansWhy does claude have a music livestream when the AI didnt have anything to do with it lol>What do you listen to while vibin?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzF0WOItXL4
>>110149753The most creative and retarded pedo who thinks he can deter someone from reverse engineering his gorillion dollar vibe coded slop by adding his cp.
>>110150892https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypq4r9rNYSc
>>110150892https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdA0mW-9jRs
Is the GUI app for Claude better than TUI with herdr? I've been using TUI since the very beginning, but I see a lot of people saying the GUI is better. I tried it the other day and was upset because I couldn't have a proper status line like I have on the TUI, since all the mods have to go into these little gay panels above the chat box.What do you princesses use?
>>110150990I've been happy with the GUI app but I hate TUIs so I assume we have different tastes
>>110150990TUI and I press the left arrow key>A different way to work with Claude: hand off a bigger task than you would chat through, and Claude organizes it in the sections above so you know when it needs you.
I need one of you guys to mix kingdom hearts with pokemon gale of darkness where the weapons sora uses are Pokemon that he can swing, specifically pikachu. I would do it myself but I don't get any free use til 8pm tonight. Or I guess it doesn't have to be Gale of darkness, I just figured that was the closest game to kingdom hearts for ps2.
>>110151092I don't understand, is $20 that prohibitive to people?
>>110151119i don't have $20 til next friday.
>>110151123download opencode go
>>110151123Jesus christ anon. What do you do with your money?
>>110151128spend it?>>110151127thats why i said i have to wait til 8pm
>>110150345worse, a big portion of OAI/Ant revenue comes from distillation
>>110151123>i don't have $20 til next friday.Start selling Plasma. That's what my uncle (who nows make 200k/year as an executive) did for extra money in college. You'll see a lot of degenerates and feel sick selling your body, but if you're that down bad it's worth it and you're actually helping people.
>>110147487kekthemes and such
>>110151161i tried that once, it took a whole month for the fucking needle mark to go away after the retard that stuck me fucked up like 6 times cause she couldn't find my vein, and no its not cause i'm overweight it was just a new person. I don't trust plasma places after that. Also I couldn't even finish because the machine just refused to do everything.
>>110151154download openrouter or meta muse, antigravity has free tier and codex too
>>110151180They usually pay you out if they stick you at all regardless of outcome. I only went a few times when I was extremely poor, but that's what happened to the guy next to me. Your place must have been pretty shady.
>>110151186ill be honest i have no idea what antigravity is, and muse isn't that good. as far as codex goes, wtf are you talking about? Codex is literally chatGPT and the coding part is not free.
>>110148874they know that. it's all disingenuous shilling about "open source" because their goal is to frame this as politics while ignoring the fact it costs the price of a new car to even have
>>110151194yea mostly crackheads go into plasma centers where I live.
>>110151156>a big portionit's 5-7%https://www.ft.com/content/11632d03-358c-454b-af95-d06d4072932b?syn-25a6b1a6=1
>>110151199you can use luna on free tier sometimes idk if they removed it again
>>110150337everyone replying to you is kind of stupid idk whyget a chatgpt subscription and it can easily render this kind of image. from there you can set up a harness or system that actually descales the image into the actual pixel size if you care. it's pretty good at avoiding mixels now
>>110147712Your provider is probably getting raped with requests for the model you're using
>>110151234>it's 5-7%That's kind of fucking insane.
>>110151249i haven't even used codex but apparently this when i tried just now lmao
>>110151302then local is your last option, pc specs?
>>110151331not good enough i've already tried.
>>110151349then ask your dad for more allowance
>>110151364don't assume i'm a kid, I just need to wait for payday.
i see quakesnail is taking form, waiting for a site demo and maybe a youtube livestream where you test it anon, godspeed vibegods
OMG THARIQ LEFT ANTHROPIC CHECK X.
OpenAI API user gets banned for trying to debloat THEIR smart tv.If you're still reliant on OAI or scamthropic you're Stockholm syndrome cuck desuhttps://x.com/yacineMTB/status/2113965724435697732
OMG PEEANDPOO JUST LEFT SHARTANDFART CHECK X
>>110151517gaymanbros..?
>>110151517why would link to this grifter's account instead of the guy directly, yacine?
>>110151517But how this this affect me personally?
>>110151517Zuckerberg wins again?
What can I realistically do with a desktop that has 64 GB DDR4 RAM and a 5060 Ti 16 GB in the realm of vibecoding? I was thinking about some "loop engineering" (e.g. ralph loop) stuff but even then I'm not sure... Or should I just use chink models as a cheap option and that's it?
You should loop a rope around your neck. That's a good harness.
>>110151652Do Meta sell the building is my love language shirt
>>110151517i think this is what is going to ruin every corpocucks hopes of replacing everyone with AI, its going to be nerfed into uselessness from all the various guardrails theyre going to be forced to add both for things like this and copyright etcmaybe china can save us with local models
>>110151857You can run 4 bit models for roleplaying at best
>>110151857Download claude and ChatGPT desktop clients
>>110151891We already have the mythos/fable divide. "Trusts" corpos get the guardrail free models, normies get cuked models, autists get the chinese ones
>>110151857just stick to vidya and sub to $20 claude, brofree opencode also has deepseek v4.1 flash, which is miles better than any model you could run on that machine
>>110151857no one in this thread is vibecoding with local models. I’m using a shitty macbook with 8gb ram
>>110151891Not nerfings is too profitable, there's too much money on the table so if the current crop of AI companies nerf too much others will take that money. In a world police scenario where even the chinese agree to nerf it will only slow things slightly with the "underground" types becoming more powerful and wealthy.
do you send feedback when the clanker is acting retarded?
>>110151989I tell it that it's acting like gemini and that really upsets it
>>110151989Yes I spam nigger in the chat
Genuinely is there any other purpose for 5h limits other than manipulating people into habitual use? It shouldn't matter if you used your entire week's quota in one sitting because when everyone does that at a random time, it evens out.Or maybe it's just a method to make people unable to actually use the tokens they paid for? How many 5h sessions do you have to split the week's quota to be able to fully use what you paid for, and does it depend on the subscription tier or does the ratio stay the same?
>>110151899>>110151905>>110151956>>110151964I'm already using Claude Code on a macbook for a while now, I'm just wondering what I could realistically use this desktop's HW for in the context vibecoding but it seems there's no point in using local models for this (although I suspect it might help on more risky stuff like using abliterated models for things not even the chink models will let you do).
>>110152028I don’t have a 5 hour limit because I’m not poor.
>>110152028It's there to even out usage so their servers aren't spiking 100% all the time. That should be pretty obvious.
>>110152028they even out the usage so it's less spiky, it lets them serve the same number of users with fewer GPUs>>110152038claude max has 5 hour limits
>>110152042>>110152043what about>if you used your entire week's quota in one sitting because when everyone does that at a random time, it evens out.I'm sure they have more than 20 users.
OpenCode 2 apparently has a mobile app control thing but I can't find where to get the mobile app?P.s. why won't these assholes add the option to make Return a new line? Such a basic fucking feature, who wants to enter shit as one giant unbroken line
>>110152066no it doesn't work like that because usage time isn't random and a very small amount of people will burn through their whole week at 4 am
i wasnt aware of the real state of the art in concurrency libraries, i was comparing to onetbb. against the real state of the art, my silly concurrent ring buffer was winning on M:N linear work and losing on recursion. i was going to add a work-stealing deque to the mix anyways, so i copied the best one's designand now im ahead
>>110152035You can ask Claude to help you train custom models on the 5060.
>>110152077In that case, the 5 hour limit should be dynamic based on demand and they SHOULD let someone burn through their weekly tokens at 4 am when nobody else is using it, and have more strict limit during peak hours.
>>110152100Cursor will let you burn your month's usage as fast as you want.
>>110151517>stripping away spywarecool it with the antisemitism
>>110152114because they're not compute constrained because who tf uses cursor when their options are a shitty model, grok, or low usage limits of third party models if cursor had 100x the users and was in anthropic's position they would have 5 hour limits
>tfw don't even care about the gooner applications, just prooompting random neat shit all day
Thinking of switching from Cursor to OpenCode Go or maybe just Deepseek since Grok is garbage and they seem to have abandoned Composer. Cursor interface is so nice though.
>>110152265>>110152265>>110152265>>110152265new bread
>>110152076>P.s. why won't these assholes add the option to make Return a new line? Such a basic fucking feature, who wants to enter shit as one giant unbroken lineOpenCode uses Alt-Enter or Shift-Enter for that, so a bare Enter sends the message.
>>110152279God I hate this, every app has its own behavior for this. At this point I think they’re doing it on purpose because they hate each other and Sam will do alt enter to send the message just to be different from Dario
>>110152279I know but it's fucking annoying. Cursor let's you flip it.
>>110148916Looks great
>>110151186>download openrouter>>110151964Holy tourist >I’m using a shitty macbook with 8gb ram128 GB Memory M4 Max chad here. >>110151857Quant of qwen3.6-35BA3B. Layer offloading will allow you to run even the 8 bit variant (functionally identical to the original weights in terms of quality)https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-GGUFDisregard the resident idiot that tells you to run only dense. (YOU) cant run a decent precision dense model like the 27B variant without very slow t/s so 35B Moe is your only reasonable option as of right now until Alibaba stops pretending small-ish sparse models don't exist.
>>110152417very slow meta muse spark level coding for only the price of a 128gb mac LOL do niggaz really
i was working on some fault finding on an esp32 and suddenly claude acts like he's new on the job, does not know anytihng, weird
>>110152579very odd
>>110152474Nigger 60 t/s is slow for you? Quit larping lol
>>110153021i think my sa'argon does over 70tps
>>110151891>maybe china can save us with local modelsDude, Deepseek gives me more refusals than Sol currently when it comes to circumventing software-related stuff. China is cucked
>>110152417Bonsai2 runs very well.
>>110152629Context cleared or something
>>110153159Find one of the older models hosted on OpenRouter. I should probably make a list of shit I want to hack and steal before every model goes woke.I was scraping some sites content (multi-week effort) like 2 months ago, and then a new deepseek version came out and it started to refuse.
>>110151857You could run qwen 3.8 flash next with strata at a cope quant, but it should get you some usable output.
