Hypeless editionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/>/iemg/'s Journal:https://iemgazette.pages.dev/>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/>Measurements:https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Tangzu Wan'er S.G 2 (mild V) - $20• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• NICEHCK Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200• TempoTec V1 - $110>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>110149390
Remember to EQ
Still no single good dd from china recommended to me, do I have to spend big for Meze Alba?
>>110167469Illustrious
My Moondrop Space Travel are starting to die. I have a second pair for the time being, since I still like how they sound, but I want some true wireless earbuds with better ANC and a better microphone. What are my options?
>>110167469zero 3
Mid Tier$5 shitbuds$10 shitbuds$20 shitbudsHigh Tier$3 shitbuds$4 shitbudsTop Tier$1 shitbuds$2 shitbudsGod Tier$0 shitbuds
>>110167725$20? thats paypig shit. you can buy 10+ totl iems with that kind of money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dtmWgRgIVAheadpos won
$5 Shitbud Alert
>>110168109Question. Does this shit is done by same OEM that has dialed in production process and only swaps shells and boxes or there is so many companies there doing this stuff ?
>>110168075>glaze the headpos the entire review>6.5/10Resolve is a sad bald man. It's no surprise that all his high-ranking headpos are kilobucks. Sighted reviews need to end.
>>110167338Luv me senniesSimple as
>>110167469Rmao albas are legendary tier
The new meta is buying 1-bit R2R and setting Poweramp, Neutron, foo_input_sacd, PGGB or SoX to upsample the music to DSD256.
>>110168444Obsoleted by fox IEM.
>>110168075I'm at the point of the video where they are showing the graph, and I cannot get any read on it because of the bounds. I had to pause the video, go to squiglink to get a sense of deviation from the target. For me the new bounds are just plain not useful.
>>110168458Just consume the fucking product, goy.
Then you hoard 90 Aliexpress coins a day and wait for sales. Buy $5 shitbuds with them.
>>110168075>open back>a lot of bass>smooth treble so why won't all of them just make a headphone like this?
>>1101684585128 overestimates treble so bounds now reflect that
>>110168494Reflect that in the target?
>>110168403slick, also have m21 but witout this case. I thought about buying leather case for it from china because stock is fake leather
>>110168529there's no target
>>110168753That's the problem.
wow wholesome audio science chungus once again defeated by humble broscience what a surprise
>>110168781for 5128 target you'll need to do a new research specifically for 5128.They tried to get the next best thing - measured all highly rated headphones from harman research with 5128 to create said preference bounds.nobody is really satisfied with the results but they feel that they need to reflect correct (or what they think is correct) information. try watching their explanation video maybe it'll make more sense to youNow the target itself is also a problem. Harman target is unusable with literally all measurement rigs. So it's either take the L and use it in a wrong way or not use it at all
>>110168885Wow, sounds like headphones lost.
>>110168899don't worry they have fucked up preference bounds for IEMs too lmao
>>110168885chinks will take that target, flood market with iems made to match it and then iemg will be praising new hype natural sound that new iems provide.
>make new wider bounds to call more headphones good>time to shill the new bestest headphones ever >they don't fit in the boundsAlexa, play in the end by Linkin Park.
>>110168753The target is a point of reference, either Harman or your own target, that you can EQ around. What the fuck am I supposed to do with +- 5db bounds? Headphones that fall within don't automatically sound better, and headphones that fall outside don't automatically sound worse.
Words of wisdom.
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>>110168964we need to go beyond static targets already. personalized audio is the future
>>110168975it's an open back with fuckload of bass and smooth treble for $250it's like a holy grail of headphones unironically what more can one want?
>>110169188>unironically what more can one want?I want edc pro
>>110168998>What the fuck am I supposed to do with +- 5db boundsgood question>Headphones that fall within don't automatically sound better, and headphones that fall outside don't automatically sound worseI don't think they themselves know what to do about that.
>>110169206shit's free
In Neutron you after you enable DSD, you tap the text to enter a submenu to enable DSD upsampling.
>>110169280
>>110169323
>>110169332>foam tipsbro is trolling
>>110169332The numbers that do nothing.
>>110169332bro, i clicked all to DSD on my dap and apart from dap getting hot i cant hear or feel the difference.
>>110169442Which 1-bit R2R dac did you do this on?
The new meta is upsampling dsd256 to a 1-bit R2R
>>110169455>1-bit R2R dacbuzz words - china edition
>>110169479Fucking retard
talking about things that dont work, i bought 2 opamps that will make my amp stage sound tube like, with lush vocals and great dynamics. Smooth and warm.
>>110169536Niggas will do anything except directly address the cause of unwarmth and unsmoothness.
Get with the new meta or get left in the dust.
>>110169168This is the meta that will save /iemg/.
>>110169583Delete every usb exclusive app, upgrade to apple dongle, upgrade music to pcm studio mixes, install root jamesdsp.
So what is 1bit r2r DAC doing in this equation. Vs normal ds dac with up sampled to dsd content. And I hope u have measurements to prove your answers
>>110169718It turns triangles into troongles.
>>110169718You're doing the conversion on phone instead of on chip.
>>110169743And?
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But why 1bit r2r. Like I can up sample everything to dsd on my fiio m21 dap but I think it have some kind of ess or akm DAC inside. Does it up sample on DAC chip?
>>110169749>And?
we should ban the regular posters in here, theyre all schizos
>>110169861Unfortunately we need them to bump the thread.
>>110169847>did you just expect me to answer the question?
>>110169888no mr bond i expect you to die
Posting again, in case anyone can advise me. Can anyone recommend me some wireless noise-cancelling earbuds/iems? I want to be able to put hearing protection on top of them, like Peltor Optime, unless you deem it overkill. Everybody seems to listen to fucking reels on speaker mode nowadays and there are so many fights I can pick throughout the week.>BudgetBelow 100-150 EUR / USD, but flexible. I want the best noise cancelling for the money. So if the sweet spot of bang for the buck is higher, tell me and I'll make sure these last me a long time.>Intended use (media, source, environment)media: Listening to music, podcastssource: Phone or, rarely, laptopenvironment: Out on the street, public transportation.>Frequency response preference and music examplesI don't know enough about spectral analysis and my preferences to say>Past gear and your thoughts on themI am not really an audiophile, but I liked the Tangzu Waner 2. I also have some blue viddo that I find fine.Thanks in advance
>>110168484truly the fast fashion of the audio world
>>110170138I like the ANC on my airpod pros but I have nothing else to compare to. For under 100, check out https://www.scarbir.com/, filter by ANC ranking.
>>110170173But wait there's more
/iemg/ Dogma Check Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:>Crinacle is not your priest.Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.>Graphs are not sound.They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.>Loud posts =/= smart takes.Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.>Cognitive dissonance.When you're presented with a truth that threatens your entire perception of the world around you, your brain will simply refuse to process it.This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.
>>110170303Thank you. I will start there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIhUx1JaRQ&Remember NOT to EQ
>>110170374>>110170618Doesn't know what EQ even is btw.
Why 1bit RTR instead of Delta sigma DAC?
The paypigs don't want you to know the IEMs at aliexpress are free
>>110170801The pure is $90 thoughbeit
left or right?
>>110170893Neither get the senny mtw5
Good news. DSD is printed on side of QKZ x HBB box.
What do you do if you have sensitive ears and significant earwax buildup? Over ear headphones are good but i don't have any with usb c port or bluetooth and they feel too big to use outside. I suppose using in ear headphones still is ok if it isn't used too frequently
>>110170941Invest in a $0 set of aliexpress earpicks
>>110170924>mtwywnbaw
>>110170936How do those compare to the Khans?
>>110170969Khan is 2DD so it's just gonna have different bass. I don't have it.
>>110170964ywnbaa
https://github.com/andrewsalinas09/FletcherWin Bros. Our Tots ?
>just impulse spent >$2000 on something that's discounted by 20% from retail on ebay>claims immaculate quality>no images>description is the guy claiming that he can't take images because his local AV outlet is holding onto the product and handling shipping for him how fucked am I? I saw the price and bought because I was terrified that someone else was going to snipe it
>>110171362What the fuck did you spend >$2000 on????
>>110171685A lightly coomed-on mega5est. You can still see the semen if you shine a blacklight on it but it doesn't smell or anything.
>>110171362As long as the item is returnable, Ebay favors buyer in disputes
Is the new fosi dap any good?Looked at the shanling QII with firmware swap but the fosi thing might as good.
>>110172002Fosi is goated
>>110172056>no gapless play
>>110172258is he gonna be ok
>>110172258irrelevant for most people
>>110172335Most people are dumb, i listen to whole albums in one go.
>>110172353>ibecause you're special and only you matter. of course.
>>110172363At least you understand.
>>110172363he's right thoughbait
>>110172272Yes, fish are though.
The PEQdB Diamond Paper has been accepted for publication by the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society. Science won.
>The PEQdB Diamond Paper has been accepted for publication by the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society. Science won.
>Science won.
>Paper has been accepted for publication by the Journal of the Audio Engineering Societyvs.>armchair, "self-taught" puritan thinking the AES/Harman papers they read is more than enough to be just as equal an authority on the subjects as who did the research. Never trust random slavs with no legit education, that's my motto.
I don't need to read all those science papers just for them to tell me chu2 is endgame
>>110172002im kinda interested because fosi is kinda based, but i've heard a few reports if doa units and buttons being stuck and software issue shit. besides, i'd rather get the carbon12 over a new glitchy underpowered dap anyway.anyway, TRN flathead.
>>110173271I probably wouldn't get into Fosi IEMs but their DS2 with the Cirrus chip is still one of the best measured dongles of all time
>>110173254>endgameDo you have a 711 coupler? If yes, what calibration target are you using?
>>110173403nah mate I just autoeq it to dusk
where is hpg?
>>110173432graveyard
>>110173432hgp isn't real just like techs aren't real
>>110173709>techs aren't reala recovering paypig wrote this
most paypigs are selling their gear while it's still worth something. iykyk
Xixtas, you know what to do..
>>110173329i personally think that the IM4 was a good buy. but then again everything is a good buy for me because i always pay way below rrp, kek.and i dunno, i really only use dongles to play rhythm hive, hololive dreams and project sekai on my phone and my DS2 would always micro-lag after 30-45 minutes so i stopped using it. it's the cirrus version as well.anyway, sonorous iii (finally got my hands on one)
>>110174313>blue-eyed China can modify genes now. It's over
>>110174313I was going to dismiss it as another harman pos but the additional 1-2db in the midbass with sub bass roll off does look bretty good, same as how I eq my novas
>>110174477>micro-lag after 30-45 minutesI don't have that problem as mine is the ESS sabre chip version
>>110173220>the science: just eq bro >the self-taught: just eq bro>you: what are those moveable points I don't get it
>>110175260Apparently this means a lot to you
>>110173836soon brother.. they will all understand
is final any good?I want a set of bullet style iems with a 3.5mm jack, preferably with a removable cable because im kind of a retard and keep wrecking cables and i might want to add a mic for casual usefinal e4000's look like they fit the bill for me but i know nothing about this brand or formfactor
Kek
>>110175564What am I reading here? Dude hears imaginary differences in his head when the IEM is essentially identical? Audiophiles are charlatans?
>>110175571He listed at least three valid reasons why they could sound different.It's blaringly obvious you never heard either of the sets so who's really imagining things?
>>110175571crossovers actually do alter the sound though
is a non electronic equalizer just called a qualizer? like how a non electric ebike is just a bike, or non electronic email is just mail.
>>110172748blind listening test is the only validation for a targetnot online uncontrolled dogshit or whatever
>>110173432headphones got solved AGAIN with the release of aune ar3000
>>110175344lol weak even for chatGPT
>>110175564I mean crin did say it's using his driver already?it's not like they are hiding it the question should be is it better than zero 2 or not
>>110175564Why the fuck would 7Hz use "Crinear" drivers? Are you audiophiles really that retarded and lacking in common sense?
>>110175664??? what? any kind of equalizer is called equalizer e doesn't stand for electronic
>>110175784https://www.linsoul.com/products/7hz-x-crinacle-zero-3I dunno anonit really is a mystery
>>110175823nigger where does it say where the driver was sourced from?
>>110175838crin said where driver was sourced from, faggotwhy is it suddenly so hard to accept? some of you people are really just the lowest iq kettle huh
>>110175845You are an indog retard. Muh "crin said it". Ok where???? Also 3rd generation implies it's the 3rd iteration of whatever shit they were using with OG Zero. Why would they call it 3rd generation if it was some completely different driver? Think nigger, think!
>>110175858Where? Well surely you can use your mighty human (allegedly) intellect and figure that one out?Or do you need to be spoonfed like a low IQ retard you are?
I will be buying aune ar3000 by the way and if it's not as good as HP faggots say I'll be very mad
>>110175858WELL? I guess you failed to utilize your intellect that's disappointing to see...either way here's crin talking about ithttps://youtu.be/Xbr5leaaWcE?t=1593
>>110175901There are no good headphones.
>and we hope this serves as an example for other brands of exactly what they should be aiming for with headphonesi hope so too. brands would do well to listen to the pioneers at hposshow
>>110175901I would avoid Aune, this happened to my AR5000 after a year right as my warranty ended
>>110176205did they not improve that already? my head is not that big plus $250 is basically free
>>110176286It was classic chink rugpull. They jumped straight to MK2 with better headband design.
>>110176205I sold ar5000 because its treble was absolute dogshit. My EQ skills were not enough to fix it.
>>110176297I imagine they'll be using "better design" for ar3000 too but I'll keep this in mind
>>110176205https://youtu.be/0dtmWgRgIVA?t=177resolved did mention that so it will probably be fiiiineeither way I'll report how dogshit they really are
>>110176003I don't ask for muchjust a lot of bass ( which they will provide) and no ear rape treble
It's real pain with reviewers using that shit for few days before publishing review. They can't filter out any reliability problems like breaking headbands with ft1 or ar5k. I strongly recommend u to hold off with purchase for few months. U just never know what chink design is capable off.First batch is always testing for them, sometimes they even won't update design if it will cost them too much, they usually go for next gen updated model or if brand is so compromised they will just create new one to sell same shit in different box
>>110173271can you measure unit diameter of these flat pos? I'm kinda interested if they're smaller than Tiandirenhe TD21
>>110176436>The HD 6XX replacementfast forward five years, HD6XX will be still relevant and AR3000 discontinued in favor of AR3000 MK9
>>110176889and?I think you guys fail to comprehend what they mean by HD 6xx replacement
hd600 already got replaced by hifiman anyway
>>110177015And there you have it.
>>110175518I tried all their E series. Don't worry about form factor, by far the most comfortable bullets you'll wear. My favorite is the E500, the cheapest one. Great for mids, no sibilance, but no detail either. E500 also does not have a mic or detachable cables, you have to go up to E1000 and above for mic, E4000 above for detachable cables. I personally wouldn't get the E1000, E2000, E3000. E4000 is quite nice, but for me it is way overpriced for the sound and build quality and QC issues. They all feel rather flimsy, versus all metal shell like the Chu. Tldr I can only recommend the E500
>>110176889HD6xx has never been relevant because the sound is atrocious. It's glorified podcast cans
>>110177076true, glad I got my T50RP when they were cheap on ebay
>>110177076But he mentioned fair point. With chinks there is new generation every year or even less. Its get tiring fast. Like if that ar 9000 and ar3000 are that good why making MK2 and so on. Same with chinkfiman. I think I've seen somewhere that he600 has same driver as Sundara. With minimal changes to tuning. Yet it was shilled as next he6se. I know it's sales strategy, to flood market and reviewers with new stuff every few weeks but it's getting tiring. At least western brands stick to it's products for bit more. And I think current senh lineup with 480 and 490 pro can still be competitive for years if they choose to support that platform
>bass been found to be one of the most important parts for music to sound natural>hd 600\6xx has no bass>it's a natural sounding headphoneSee the problem here?
>>110177327and sennhs were unable to improve hd600 for 3 decadeswhich is worse?>At least western brands stick to it's products for bit more.I'm not sure it's a good thing>And I think current senh lineup with 480 and 490 pro can still be competitive for years if they choose to support that platformthey are much more expensive than chink shit tho and not without its own problems
>>110177369Sennheiser did improve the HD 600. It's called the HD 700.
Headpos has been solved for a long time now.$55 HE-R9$250 HE6se$100 HD 700$50 Fostex T50RP mk2$250 SR-Lambda Signature$250 ESP-950$650 Nectar Audio HiveX
>>110177404Replace those pads man holy
>>110177327While this is true they churn out shit every year, they are usually super budget and with surprisingly good customer service. Fiio replaced my FT1s. Literally got another set out of it. I'm not expecting build quality with sub 200 cans, only sound quality, and they deliver on that.
IEMs are solved:$25 1DD+8BA TRN VX Pro+$80 1planar Moondrop Stellaris$80 1electro Stax SR-001$5 1DD+1BA+1sub CVJ Konoka$19 2DD+5BA TRN ST7$18 5DD KZ Decet$20 1DD+1BA+1EST Lafitear LF3 Pro$20 2DD+1planar BGVP Orbit
>>110177369Yeah, I think ar5000mk2 is more appropriate competitor to 480-490pro. Sen desu should refresh hd500 lineup with something similar. They already have chassis from momentum series. As with aune ar5000mk1 I almost fucked up buying it early, my wide head would have destroyed that headband after few weeks. I was thinking about buying MK2 few weeks ago but I don't know, for me that classic Sennheiser still have some appeal and maybe 490 pro would be my best bet
>>110177415Probably u can't but replacement pads for that antiques. That's why I like round pads with simple lip mounting system.
>>110177386Bruh
/iemg/: Solving IEMs one post at a time
Anyone following the asr drama? It's getting pretty heatedhttps://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-headphone-measurement-database-by-the-headphone-show.74042/page-16
>>110177873How the fuck is this still going. >I have been mulling over this and my take is that the fundamental problem is conflating preferences with targets.Dan Clark dropping the truth nuke on this melt down thread
all reviews should be like amirs reviews
Amir is going after Listener for his writing while he churns out stuff like pic rel. This guy is insufferable.
Chat, peep the rococo tips. they bussin frfr
>>110178133>highs that jumped out of the speaker as if to tell their own story>While I was admiring the highs floating in air
>>110178158>>110178198Oh wow he really is a hypocrite
>How did you ever verify these things? Did you do an EQ to cause or eliminate them in double blind controlled tests?god damn im glad i'm not wired like this
>>110178158is he jeet?
>>110177873again? it was pretty heated from the startthey are all melting down about their preference bounds which are barely relevant to anything when their EQ is much more interestin>As a fellow Windows audio developer (just sitting on top of the standard APIs), from what I understand in the video, custom kernel drivers, WHQL certification, OS mixer bypass, bit-perfect playback, and upsampling to 7 MHz represent some serious low-level engineering. The certification process alone is enough to make most developers avoid that route entirely.but it will be ignored lol
>>110177670yo, top row, second column. the fuck's going on there
>>110178045>IMHO the goal of a target curve is not "preference," a real target curve should be "accurate," to the best of our ability to generate one. If you are not accurate you have done nothing to resolve "the circle of confusion," now introducing large variances around a target.well where the fuck is an accurate target for 5128?or because one doesn't exist we should use other rigs? but target for them also doesn't exist... where's the accurate target?>While this may serve your purposes for review, I question how much insight or value it offers to the community. I believe confusing preference for accuracy is the wrong play, particularly if we consider audiophiles who seek accuracy, or production professionals who need to understand how their music actually sounds.ultimate truth is that both IEMs and headphones behave differently on different heads/in different earsall this target wank is useless if perfectly measuring harman compliant headpos will have huge peak at like 7k for me for example. So who gives a fuck? Value would be inventing better and cheaper active systems OR improving EQ tools which they did btw
>>110176828
amir unironically comes off as a crazy person in this discussion lol the fuck is wrong with him?
brutal
>>110168109>5$ shitbudand yet it'll sound as good as any other iem with the proper eq profile
>>110178430much appreciated. they're indeed smaller than TD21. maybe they will be more comfortable for me.
Gaming.
simgot ew300 / letshouer s08 / kefine delci ae worth on 11.11 sales? never tried iems before i was using ath-m50x for like 10-15 years but they are falling apart at this stageor are iems just a huge meme
is the new walkmzn DAC by sony any good? looks like nothing changed from the previous model
>>110178744worth
>>110178345aurora borealis
>>110177873Nah there's straight ass in the replies at this point. "hurr you're not qualified your reviews are bad".
I don't know why I'm obssessed with Audio Technica products
>>110178372The way I read his post, a target is "accurate" with respect to how close it can simulate flat speakers just like the original paper, taking into account all the issues with that, hence his comment on to the best of their ability. So there is a goal for the target to hit, and the closer the more accurate it is. A preference I'm not sure has the same goal, people have varying preferences on their sound signature. Although I'm not sure I'm tripping on semantisc of headphone show calling it "preference bounds". >Value would be inventing better and cheaper active systems OR improving EQ tools which they did btwI agree with this, as a mac user my options are severely limited so this could be a good alternative
>>110178786DAP sorry
>no education>low SAT score>no Klippel NFSAm I supposed to side with this thing?
>>110179144If he was self taught, then I don't see an issue. A formal education, who needs them amiright? lmfao if he's not to be trusted then the same logic dictates foxzo or any anon here is just an equal an unreliable assclown.
>>110179197Trust the science.
>>110179232his gig line says it all.
>>110179235>R2P DACinteresting
>>110179286The raped DAC.
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>>110177067thanks for the advice, anoni was also looking at the chu lineup, they seem to be some of the best on the mainstream market... but I really can't do over the ear. I tried a few times and they tangle in my hair and sometimes my glasses rests on them awkwardly.
>>110179323>Lost pride in less than 20 minutes
>>110179436Based Rush in vinyl
Just had the chance to demo yet again the 500LM vs original 500, and man there's a reason why I own two sets of the latter and could not stomach keeping the LM.
>>110178372>well where the fuck is an accurate target for 5128?It's wonky around 150-500 Hz and as usual over 6 kHz so we'll probably never get an "accurate" target but regardless here's the best we've got for "neutral" and "v-shaped"
>>110179583Why did you try that pos...
WHEN WILL THE Q5K + BE RELEASED
>>110179596in 2 weeks
>headpos users swore by OE Harman >IEM research was more robust all alongApologize.
>>110179583>What am I reading here? Dude hears imaginary differences in his head when the IEM is essentially identical? Audiophiles are charlatans?Maybe it's the crossovers/dampening/insertion depth/tuning/your HRTF/your mood/your age/your physiology/your gender/what time of the day it is/what day of the week/what country you're innot once did you stop to think of the variables, fuckin amateur
>>110178744>or are iems just a huge memeNo but spending more than $100 for an iem is a meme. And the only difference you'll get between $20 and $100 is build quality and comfort. Sound quality is already solved at $20.
IEMs are solved, just get a $5 shitbud like a chu2, $5 kbear 4.4mm balanced cable, foam tips and a 1-bit R2R dac
>>110179592Had some friends pass by with their gear, nice way to spend the afternoon >>110179619? LM and OG are significantly different, LM has more upper mids and less midbass.
>>110179669Relax kid, I'm breakin your balls and calling out the irony of a previous post someone else made in this thread.
>>110179612>OE HarmanWas always bright and anemic. Us HP Chads were always wearing sennies with wornish pads
>>110179709Paypigs are mad that not replacing your pads are goated. They tell you to replace your pads because they're jealous demons. Faith won.
>>110168484Which ones sound the best?
>>110179744edc pro autodq'd to mega5est, chu2 autoeq'd to dusk, konoka plain with the subwoofer maxed out, ak6 pro autoeq'd to tea pros, vx pro+ autoeq'd to tea pros, kz dawn autoeq'd to mega5est and ed9 pro
Thoughts on GraphWorks?
Chu2 4.4mm foam tips poweramp autoeq dsd256 to 1-bit R2R. Solved hobby
asked the clanker if i can read audio waveforms and the grooves on a record and transduce them in my head, which headphones should i get, i got this answerif you are a higher-dimensional being capable of real-time visual-to-audio neural transduction, throw the headphones away. You are the amplifier.is clanky right?
>>110179729Mold won.
>>110180246So moldpilled that he wants mold even on IEMs.
>>110180249>>110180261I don't get mold. Window fans...
>>110179857Squig is better
>>110179857Complicated feelings, data visualization and making it as accurate as possible does not translate into usefulness. Most of the nuance is lost on 99% of subscribers.
>USB HID is the primary path for DSP dongles and cables. The current registry contains FiiO, WalkPlay-compatible, KTMicro, Moondrop, Conexant, and Fosi Audio handlers. The Topping handler remains in the repository, but Topping detection is currently disabled because its vendor ID is shared with Fosi Audio DS3.Is fosi related to topping? Hilarious opsec if that's how we find out.
>>110180304no. usb vendor ID is a 16-bit value and they might've just ripped the same usb to i2c chip
>>110180295>most accurate They tired to make accurate bounds by taking 4 "good" headphones but they forgot there are no good headphones.
>>110180465I will not disagree but at least they tried to salvage what they could out of the worst transducer type`
>>110180465>there are no good headphones.Uh oh stinky
>>110175571Zero 3 has better techs. You can't see techs on the graph.
>>110180696>You can't see techs on the graph.That's because graphs aren't sound and don't represent audio.
>>110180696>>110180715Just autoeq it to chu2 to increase techs
>>110179857their EQ app looks goated I'm not paying a sub for it thovisualisation and pref bounds are dogshit
>>110180726Just buy Storm, autoEQ it to OG Chu and call it a day.
>>110178296Iranian
>>110180696You can see them on the faceplate.
>>110178213Izzat is more than that. You wouldn't get it.
Izzat is a high stakes game of mahjong. You know that if you swipe tiles off the discard pool, the yakuza will dump you in the ocean, but you do it anyway. The izzat is yours. The tide of the gamble is yours.
>>110180864Based
>>110181074Persians are the chess grandmasters of izzat
>>110181078>PersiansAbsolutely based
>>110180632That's right, the pads do get stinky.
Can you swap the batteries on these things without breaking everything?
I'm looking to buy a new pair of IEMs. Budget is under $150ish. I mostly use them for listening to music (jazz and piano) and playing video games (nothing competitive). I'd be using them pretty much everywhere so outside and in loud areas. I use either my shitty behringer audio interface or the iPhone headphone jack adapter, but I'd be willing to upgrade. My current pair is Senheiser IE200s, which I like the sound of, but no matter how many times I send them in for warranty they keep breaking. I also find them very uncomfortable and they fall out all the time. Only other pair I've tried was the KZ Castor pros and I found them much more comfortable. I think I preferred the bigger earbud and them being heavier. Any advice or iem models / brands would be appreciated (:
>>110181720Get these and tell me how they are.
>>110179436>chu2, edc pro, konoka, luna, vx pro, ed9 prowe did it
>>110181720>I'm looking to buy a new pair of IEMs. Budget is under $150ish. >I mostly use them for listening to music (jazz and piano)>I think I preferred the bigger earbud and them being heavierTruthear Pure
>>110180732you know what, this actually makes a ton of sense. you cant ever add techs, but if the techs ARE there, you can just remove it. that's it, im getting a storm.
>>110181818>CastorImproved bass version is better
>castorok mr moneybags
>>110181720https://a.aliexpress.com/_mO4w61thttps://a.aliexpress.com/_m02WuNthttps://a.aliexpress.com/_mrbQ1mrhttps://a.aliexpress.com/_mrNbJftDon't listen to paypigs, Castor is goated.
>>110181818I loved my castors lol they sounded great and were very comfortable. They just kind of died after 2 weeks though.>>110181770These look pretty good but I'm concerned about the noise reduction. Do you have any experience using them in loud environments?
>>110181830Just EQ the bass in
>>110181833Libra X is also goated
>>110181844??? Castor has switches for that. No EQ needed.
>>110181838What the hell are you doing with them? Castor is built like a rock idk if anything else will be more durable
>>110181856I'm not spending double for switches. $7 it is.
>>110181858Maybe I just got a shitty pair. I bought my sister some at the same time and hers are still going strong. I just find it hard to put trust in them holding up at that price point.
Zero 3 is easily my new DD until I get my Kasier's
>>110181880seems like a you problem.
>>110181889your faith in KZ castor has convinced me to try them again. Do you recommend harmon or improved bass version?
>>110181914Just get the $7 ones and EQ them
>>110181945What's the difference between this: https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtue63l and the one you sent. This one is $1.50 vs $10 on the one you sent (Canadian dollars)
>>110182027Get whatever's cheapest for you, it looks like you're looking at the new user discount. Consider getting a TRN black pearl with said discount
foxzo, please stop posting on headfi
>>110182040Does the DAC make a big difference? That's something I know nothing rly about. If I were to get one though I would want it to work on both PC and iPhone. It's 35 with my discount though so I'll probably go for it. The names of the two links are the same but the one you sent has "ZSNPRO EDXPRO" added on the end, if that means anything. If not then I'll go for the DAC plus IEMs for under 40 bucks lol.
>>11018207840cad is a very good price for trn black pearl + kz castor, just get a 4.4mm cable and you're good to go.
>>110181838>but I'm concerned about the noise reduction.The Truthear Pure features strong passive noise isolation that blocks around 80% of ambient noise, which is very standard and typical for a non-Active Noise Cancelling (ANC) In-Ear Monitor (IEM).
>>110182237>PRXgoated>Helios SEgoated
Wow.
I can tell AI to generate me PEQ right in the audio player. It's the future.
impressions are just training wheels for retards. once you understand how audio works you can stop taking that shit seriously.here it is in black and white if there was any ever doubt what you're dealing with
>>110182573before I buy any iem I autoeq it in edc pro first and it's the same thing
>>110182573cope and seethe.
>>110182573Aw haha, I totally get why that upset you! :) When you spent a lot of time relying on impressions, it can be uncomfortable to hear the truth about them. That's perfectly understandable! We all start somewhere, and hopefully with a little more experience you'll understand why we see things differently! :) :)>>110182634Haha go easy on him! :) I actually think it's great that he's engaging with this stuff, even if he's finding it a little frustrating right now. That's how we learn! :);)
>>110182701It's like buying a lambo and getting 8 mile per gallon then getting a corolla and realizing it's a more efficient car because it saves on gas and at the same time saying, "car performance doesn't exist, only gas efficiency exists"
simGOAT
mm teks
>>110183063context, please.
>>110182573You cannot graph comfort, build quality, how ugly it looks in a frequency response, all of which are far more important than the sound as they cannot be EQed, so reviews are still important.
>>110183162>cant decipher marketing picsngmi
>>110183168Marketing pics can be deceptive, almost bought a XV before seeing how ridiculous it looked when worn
>>110183197>buying headposaaahhh theres the problem
>>110183224it's only a problem if the headpos are audio technicas.
>>110183063>>110183141still waiting.
>>110183289guess
I'll just leave this here with no context
>>110183373I'm considering posting this in ASR and telling them 'The CEO of Fox' actually said the right is a real measurement. I'll probably even tag the big wigs and see if they get a kick out of it.
your fav set? need some inspiration before black friday, otherwise I will go with chu 3price from 5-300usd
>>110183499just get chu 3.
>>110183443Amir did the same experiment on the room scale with the same result.
>>110182573Stock FR doesn't matter because you'll be EQing anyway. You buy based solely on appearance.
>>110183511yeah, probably. I was thinking about buying something more expensive on sale, like crinear reference or something with these kind of build quality (metal shell), maybe meze alba
>>110183542>"An authority figure did a vaguely similar-sounding thing once, therefore my flawed math is completely validated."they will absolutely tear that defense apart.
Hi ASR, look what I found. A user of yours using a minimum phase transform on a manipulated text file to "prove" they altered a physical transducer's hardware decay parameters.They will throw the book at you
>>110183611Where's the flaw.
>>110183622see >>110183618
>>110183618>>110183625They'll look at the noise floor of the graph and call you retarded.
Imagine being this buck broken by seeing CSD without colorations of the FR for the first time.
>>110183630they won't care about the noise floor. they will look at the methodology and call you the retard. ready to admit you falsified a measurement? I'll put you on blast and the people you worship will shit all over you.
>>110183658The noise floor will tell them that what you thought was the methodology is fanfiction. The actual methodology is measuring an IEM, EQing it, then measuring it again. If it were done in software the noise floor would be the same on both graphs.
Why, exactly, should everything sound neutral? What’s wrong with a bit of coloration? And why major corporations for their most popular products frequently sticking to an extreme boost in the bass and treble collorations?Looks like general public don't really care, if anything they like that kind of V shape sound more. Could audiophools be wrong?
>>110183667V shape is neutral when you have working hearing.
>>110183641actual DSP engineers on ASR will have an absolute field day explaining how you accidentally invented a convoluted way to look at a flat line in 3D
>>110183667Only trained listeners' ears matter I'm afraid
>"mo, wait, I actually did a real physical re-measurement!"gimme gimme more
>>110183672They've seen it many times on burst decay graphs. IEMs are really boring in the time domain. Audiofools stick to CSD precisely because of the artifacts.
>>110183681>you can measure it once but you absolutely can't measure it twice Demented cope.
>>110183678The funny thing is normgroids dragged the bass down a little compared to pure trained listeners.
>>110183698>Demented cope.Coming from you. I will enjoy putting you on blast on ASR.
>>110183667for me neutral sound can only be made by speakers. Chasing that in headpos or iems is like chasing unicorn. An endless pursuit with no clearly defined goal, which audio companies exploit by constantly promoting new targets via influencers/researchers so fools can buy next big "neutral sounding" thing. Research is conducted in a manner reminiscent of the studies once carried out by cigarette manufacturers regarding the harmful effects of smoking. The answer is simple and often very inexpensive (buying speakers and an amplifier from the boomers on marketplace). But this answer is being quietly swept under the rug. Instead, influencers who style themselves as scientists will promote a new, neutral target, preference bounds and so on so u can spend money, be happy for a while, repeat it for next year, and next year as happy consoomer u are.Tbh buying 5usd (or maybe something with better build quality), eq ing it as u like, and using it for years should be meta. Still sound would not be that neutral as from pair of speakers but at least your wallet isnt millked every year.
>>110183708Coming from me, who can repeat that experiment any time I want with a rig that I own, yes. You can't even come up with something believable.
>>110183698He thinks you can't measure it with EQ because he doesn't believe in EQ lol. Moveable points is crazy.
>>110183720>gambling hard on a wild bluffbaby, please. post the raw .mdat >>110183736you're talking to yourself again lol. actual craziness.post it.
>>110183744Make a post on asr and I'll post mdats to dunk you for upboats.
>>110183762no, do it here. post the .mdat link in this thread. if you actually have real data that breaks acoustic physics, back it up right here instead of hiding behind a future ASR post.you're fucked either way
>Cornered, just like a fox in a hole
>>110183779Acoustic physics say everything worked exactly as expected. You're already backpedaling so you don't deserve mdats.
>>110183788I wholeheartedly accept your concession. I knew you'd cave. You'll be roasted on a spit on ASR.
>>110183803You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. And you missed that one.
>shitted up the whole thread again award
I am so proud of this general
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>>110183779You know what you have to do to get them.
>>110184486>>110184486>>110184486
>>110184451CSD plots are turning the foxes bisexual
