>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICEPost build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use casesState BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped>CASEmATX: AP201, Lian Li A3/B4, XT M3ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), Lancool 207/217, Flux Pro, 4000D FRAME, X50, BF360 Flow, HAF II 500, Summit, Warthog RSDual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8>CPUBudget: 5600/X, 12400FEntry level DDR5: 7500F, 7/9600/X, 225FGaming: 9850X3D, 9/7800X3D, 250K, 5800X3DWorkstation: 9950X/3D(2), 9900X/3D, 270K>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Lian Li GA II Lite, Nautilus RS, Silent Loop 3, NL-LC1Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Phantom Spirit, NH-D15 G2ITX/>42mm RAM: Big Shuriken 4, Mugen 6 Dual FanTIM: Duronaut, MX-7, PTM7950* (phase change), KryoSheet (graphene pad)*Be wary of counterfeits>MOTHERBOARDAvoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reportedChoose boards with ALC1220 audio codec when possible>RAMCrucial RAM & SSD warranty offers refunds only, no replacementsDDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)DDR4: 3200CL16, 3600CL18>SSD (update firmware)DRAMless: (SN)7100, C925G, NM790PCIe Gen 4.0: (SN)850XGen 5.0: (SN)8100>GPUBuy the best one you're willing to pay forAvoid poor value entry-level GPUs>PSUBuying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/>MONITORCheck reviews & owner feedbackBudget: 165/180Hz IPS (24" 1080p / 27" 1440p)HDR: discounted OLED or MiniLED (IPS/VA: motion clarity vs. contrast)High-end: wait for brighter 2027 OLEDs /w stripe RGB subpixels>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansMidrange: Pure Wings 3, Arctic P-Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)Prev:>>110214884
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It wasn't until I bought the 9800x3 that I found out that it was an ancient hag 2 year old piece of shit.I had to wait for zen 6.
Do you guys enjoy working on your computers after you build them?
>>110228714And will probably mess up zen6's launch like they always do, and make your purchase look like a 140iq play
>>110228728I used to.Now I just want the damn thing to work without problems so I can forget it even exists.After my horrible experiences with custom loop cooling, draining the loop multiple times, having pump issues etc... I want to put as little effort into computers as possible.
>>110228714you'll be waiting a while since no doubt AMD will delay launch for X3D again and release some non X3D CPUs nobody will buy again first
>>110228764Whoever decided that the 2 ccx x3d with heterogeneous cores should be launched first in early last year deserves their own special place in hell
>>110228728My PC just werks. All it has to do is play games and shitpost. The fucking home server made up of garbage parts is driving me mad. Every two weeks something wants to die or stop working or decide it doesn't need an internet connection or to be switched on. I want to just start again with a proper built one but everything as we know has skyrocketed.
>>110228687Ayo new anime goods just dropped
>>110228728Every time you boot up your computer you do micro-optimizations to make it better.
>>110228728Only time I open my PC back up is to dust it. I did add some more storage when I panic bought a couple SSDs and HDDs right before everything skyrocketed in price last year. But really that's it, like the guy above, my PC just werks, no need to fuck with it.
>>110228830>5060ti>8gb
>>110228728I'll put it this way. I bought a wire view pro 2 for my 5090 well after the fact. My power cable to my gpu was over the top of the card. I had a 180 degree adapter so it looked cleaner. The WVP2 only has a 90 degree rotation so if I wanted to maintain a clean look I'd have to route the cable under the card. My gpu barely fits in my case so rerouting the cable would require me to remove the card and my front intake fans. I was so lazy I just opted to get a WVP2 that would orient to the top and it looks goofy as hell with the cable just sticking up. I didn't want to take my card out. Maybe down the line I'll buy another WVP2 with the reverse connector and move the cable underneath the gpu.
Lol everything above 5060ti is basically discontinued.Every Nvidia card prior generation is also discontinued.Nvidia basically doesn't sell anything other than AI super chips or dogshit laptop ewaste.
>>1102288955060ti 8gb got upgraded to the 3rd best Nvidia GPU now that the 5080 and 5090 are out of the conversation
Stop recommending Nvidia they are not for consumers anymore. You have more options with INTEL or AMD.
>>110228928The $1000 9070xt is incredible value you are right
>>110228899Just buy a new case lolThe havn bf360 and upcoming hs360 gives a lot of room to the GPU
>>110228941if he can't be assed to take out a gpu no chance in hell does he wanna do a case swap lol
>cheapest 9070xt is £850>cheapest 5070ti is £1050
>>110228953what an awful time to upgrade my PC
>>110228953id unironically spend £1000 on an nvidia card before i spend £800 on an amd one
>>110228975What you’re describing is basically marginal utility per pound. A rational consumer picks whichever option gives the most satisfaction for each pound spent. By saying you’d pay £1000 for the Nvidia card before £800 for the AMD one, you’re saying the extra things Nvidia gives you (DLSS, CUDA, ray tracing performance, AI performance) are worth more to you than the £200 difference. The AMD card is cheaper, but it doesn’t give you enough utility to make up for what it lacks.Strictly speaking, economists would call this consumer surplus: your utility from the card minus what you paid. The Nvidia card leaves you with more surplus even at the higher price, because you don’t see the two as perfect substitutes. If you did, you’d just buy the cheaper one.
>>110228830What does tranime like this have to do with gaming?
Where are the DDR4 Z790/Z690 motherboards? I don't want to pay $140 for a B760 board with poverty tier I/O. Two PCIE X1 slots? 3 SATA ports? 6 USB ports? Give me a break.
>>110229063New ones coming in January with Raptor Lake Next.
>>110229063i just bought a B760 :c
>>110229071That's CPUs only
>>110229003a rational consumer shops where the cute checkout girl knows him by name.
>>110228830I hate tranimefaggots so much it's unreal
>>110229181Kek, you're gonna be miserable hereI love it
>>110229181do something about it pussy
>>110229175i mean you'll have 32gb instead of 16 and with a 14400f the speed of the ram doesn't really matter
should i get a 5090 or the harry potter pinball game
>>110229175Nigger, a PC without dual-channel RAM cannot be considered a gaming PC.>>110229229>with a 14400f the speed of the ram doesn't really matterAny non-x3d CPU is demanding of RAM, especially intel with its zoo of cores and small L3 cache.
>>110228728Depends on the work. I've had to remove and install a bunch of m.2 drives and I fucking hate them so much. Literally the worst component ever invented.
>>110228728no, i don't even like the process of building them
>>110228728>Do you guys enjoy working on your computers after you build them?Yes. They all have usesXP/Win 7 machine mainly booted into NAS as a media centre, powers three XBox 360s as extenders. Occasionally booted into XP for multiplayer LAN gamesWith the second XP Machine that's my visual studio .net machineWindows 2K Pro Machine is my visual studio 6 MachineWin 10 SFF one is a lan games client dual boots into SUSE and has mainly python and tesnorflow and C as well as being a media server and kiwix NAS clientSecond Win 10 SSF is also SUSE and powers by MAME cabinet remotelyWin 10 1080Ti box is light gaming and AI stuffMy i5-14 3060s are on a KVM and do everything from gayming to online and clients for my blade servers and fibre san and GPU boards. Generally a couple are working in tandem running LLMs or occasionally genAI. One is good work open and the other is just for surfing and gayming and doing drone stuff.I use dell m1000e m620 blades hooked via a bocade switch to an md3600f full of SSDs and have two GPU boards, one is 4x vt100 32GB and the other is 2xA100. That's mainly for work which is taking databases that are a few hundred gig in size from ERP and accounting and auditing them for fraud and misgoverance, they are enough power to let me generally model all the variations in account and ERP client images when I need to or mount up forensics images for a accounting team at once. That being said I am thinking of stopping work because I don;t want to work anymore and have enough security to be able to
>>110229316>Nigger, a PC without dual-channel RAM cannot be considered a gaming PC.Unless you're on a high refresh rate monitor it's negligible.
>>110229316>a gaming PCwelcome to oz dorothy you faggot shoed youtube biatch. that's not technology that's being a faggot normie now
>>110229379>no, i don't even like the process of building themThey make tablets for people like you. You can make them do stuff by poking your finger at them
What was wrong with last thread?
Seems solid? I tried building this piece by piece and it's near $2500 for the same parts.
>>110229390>dual rank is fasterI guess the whole DDR5 can't do 4 sticks is just propaganda to get people to accept 2 less DIMM slots
>>110229463cheap shitty cent cutting poorly designed shit is the way of the last 6 years in everything consumer and client side.
>>110229463dual rank memory has always been faster than single rank the downside is they run hot and will error out at 60C
>>110229458why has it gay lights in it and what do they do?
>>110229390>7500F>GPU bottlenecked test>ignores the 1% lowsHello saar I am benchodmark channaall
So when are you all going offline, do you have a specific, right that's it event in mind?
>>110229390>>110229520hang on a second fuckos all of those charts read 100-200 fps, with 100 fps being the minimum. Tell me exactly why you care and try and use your own words to tell me what the fuck you are doing and even trying to accomplish here? Do you know yourself are are you just trying to endore some youtube insanity about faus status in running lgbt walking simulatirs?
>>110229510>why has it gay lights in it and what do they do?Those lights are 100% functional and you not knowing truly shows how new you are.>>110229524never. I'll pull my old builds out of retirement and run a micro form of Linux before going full luddite mode. I recently just retired my rock solid and stable server of a haswell Xeon e3-1231v3 and 16GB of DDR3 ECC in an mATX supermicro board. I'll just fire it all back up again.
>>110229565>anon short circuits
>>110229569>Those lights are 100% functional and you not knowing truly shows how new you are.Set the moody for when your wifes boyfriend knocks on the door? >>110229569>never. I'll pull my old builds out of retirement and run a micro form of Linux before going full luddite mode. I recently just retired my rock solid and stable server of a haswell Xeon e3-1231v3 and 16GB of DDR3 ECC in an mATX supermicro board. I'll just fire it all back up again.It's coming dude. You know it I know it the dogs on the street know it. We are the dancers at the end of time. I'm just glad I have my computers and me to be offline with and have all the shit I need in place. The other option of staying connected is to horrendous in consequences to even consider. I've even got rid of all my wifi except one and cabled my CCTV and run ethgernet even for PCs and consoles and the only reason that wifi box is still there is I have a female who has a fucking surface (not a machine I like BTW)
>>110229316>especially intel with its zoo of cores and small L3 cache.14700K has no 64mb of extra cache glued on and yet matches the 5800x3d with the same memory in gayming
>>110229583stop think, it's fucking retarded dude.>>110229390wtf even is this nonsense, social status on fortnite for poeople who's balls never dropped?
>>110229621>14700Kyeah (slowly rots in a depressing and unprediucatble way)>>110229621>5800x3dyeah (busts into flames when you run mspaint)
>>110229624It's a basic fucking FPS chart with 1% lows in grey and averages in another color.Have you not fucking seen an FPS chart?
>>110229019>>110229181Why does it trigger sensitive americans so much lol?
>>110229614oh I thought you meant offline like full unibomber mode. You mean offline as in no internet. I pretty much already do that. Like you I have all my home cameras connected via PoE to an entirely offline dedicated DVR and monitor. I ditched all streaming services forever ago and I never got scammed with cloud storage. I just want the AI bubble to pop or at least deflate a little so I can buy backups of everything. Backup SSDs, HDDs, GPUs, etc. As is I have my entire machine undervolted to have as little heat and power usage as possible so I can extend my hardware for as long as possible. I used to sell my old builds and hardware but honestly now, I'm just going to keep everything.
>>110229621>CPU from late 2023 can compete with a CPU based on a 2020 architecture that features an increased cache
horizontal line appeared on my new oled after 3 days... running a pixel clean got rid of it. should I be worried?
>>110229692return it and spend the money on a proper IPS panel. Come home white man. Don't fall for the OLED jews
>>110229692Its called image retention and it goes away after a pixel clean
>>110229662If you are going to say the 5800x3d is based on 2020 architecture then the 14700k is based on 2021 architecture
>>110229433Halloween is soooooooooooo over~.>>110229662Would.>>110229692Told you not to buy a WOLED monitor, you listened to ChatGPT.
>>11022972313th and 14th gen would have been a great used generation to buy if they didn't suffer their instability issue that's hardware level. Funnily enough the ultra 5 250k+ and Ultra 7 270k+ aren't that bad, even with being on a dead end socket. They're priced very competitively and the only thing making them not so popular is RAM prices.
Cursed timeline.Costco and Walmart prebuilts are cheaper than DIY
>>110229692return it oled monitors are trash and oled tv are spyware just get an ips, you'll save yourself money and headaches
I for one am very happy with my 14th gen, allows me to use 128gb ddr4 for cheap inference, plus strong single core.
>>110229797>just get an ipsLOL
>>110229815Also the only desktop cpus being produced that aren’t server reject shitlets
intel getting halved and more
>>110229823IPS monitor + decent bias light can fool your eyes to increase the perceived contrast of the display.https://www.biaslighting.com/collections/comparing-medialight-mk2-vs-lx1-white-bias-lighting-and-the-other-guys/products/lx1-bias-lighting-cri-95-6500k-simulated-d65-white-bias-lights?variant=43529467920622You said you don't use HDR anyway.
>>110229894That would be terrible if i owned any intel stock
>>110229894Good thing stock price doesn't effect how my cpu performs.
>>110229894all this means is more deals for intel products
>>110230032I've been reliably informed you are stupid and a consooomer if you buy discounted products.Buy the $500 9800X3D or the $400 5800X3D if not your POOR
>>110229463I just gaslit myself from having 4x16gb DDR5 and went with 2x24gb DDR5 because of this meme
>be me>have built several PCs for family and friends lately>first time building one for myself in 17 years>jeez, Nvidia? But the 9070 XT is looking very solid>Sapphire Nitro+ - great thermals, beautiful looking piece of industry>yeah, it's nice and quiet..., finally, a build for 5+ years>let's launch a game>BZZZZZBZZZZZ>BZZZBZBZZZZBZBZBZBZBZ COIL WHINE UP YOUR ASS Never going with AMD again. What a piece of shit. And this is supposed to be a "premium" card by Sapphire. In the trash it goes (back to Amazon). Thank God I had copped a 5070 Ti alongside it just in case. I knew I would get fucked in the ass after having to replace my wife's 6800 XT a few years back that sounded like a jet engine.
>>110229692asus woleds for some reason have a history of insane image retentionthe qdoleds don't idk
I am thinking of upgrading to the 9850X3D CPU. What is the good value for money (at the moment) motherboard/ram/gpu to go with it (for gaming)? I have money and other parts already.
>>110230171did you try the magical "fan curve + undervolt" fix
>>110230171>first time building one for myself in 17 yearsYeah a lot has changed in that time, you have to set a fan curve now. Get MSI afterburner/rivatuner
>>110230171You should hear my 7900 XTX lol. Your limp wristed ass would have a heart attack.
>>110230233What other parts? What could you possibly need the 9850X3D for? Even the 9800x3D is overkill if you don't play 1080p competitive titles and outright useless in 4K gaming.
>>110230236>>110230251If you're talking about the 9070XT, I've not heard of that trick but I'm all ears. I've already tried underpowering it by 10%. It doesn't vary with the fan speed either, it happens at 0 RPM and 1,700 RPM. Turn to any slightly brighter scene in the game and you can hear a loud coil whine even with your headphones on.>>110230273Yeah, it's all crammed inside a Tetra R with a 9800X3D on Eco mode + NH-L12S, I want it underpowered deliberately so it can act as a semi-portable SteamOS unit without being too loud.
