You guys need to understand something, because when you ask "How do we bring this style back", for any aesthetic you want, you're not getting that these aesthetics didn't exist in a vacuum. They were there to advertise a product, or culture around the product.You won't bring any aesthetic back, you won't create any new kind of aesthetic, if there is no culture behind it. Otherwise, its just wall paper. You're in /gd/ GD is making wallpaper for a product or culture.You have to ask yourself, how is a culture formed, how a culture is made, and how does a culture persists. Because culture is what happens when you're not around. its self reinforcing by the people participating.None of you will bring any kind of aesthetic back without a culture.
I'm not going to leave you hanging. I'll provide some knowledge on what makes a culture.Consensus:Culture is positive reinforced behaviors and or values of a group. The culture won't persist if there isn't a positive outcome for the people involved.Internalization: The culture becomes part of an individual identity. For a a bubble gum dance its not "we like to dance and keep an up beat attitude" Its "I like to dance and keep a up beat attitude."Rituals, Myths, StoriesThese are the folk heros and stories formed in the culture that you hear and live out. Stories are often guidlines you follow to reap a reward. If the story, myth or ritual leads to a reward, say a myth of a someone planting seeds and reaping a crop for harvest, it will carry on. These myths need to solve social issues. to bring people together.Say for fruitger aero, it was people gathering around windows and apple for a new hope of a promised future. They were the myths, and they provided a reward. new tech, at a time tech was advancing. so there was a clear reward to follow. That well has since driedCommunication styles:An extention of rituals myths and stories. How do you talk in this culture is a way to identify each other in your culture. If I here someone say "Bet, unc, low key" in global village coffeehouse, I know they're just passing through from another culture. Resources.The types of things your culture uses and reuses the food they make, the things they build and with what. This is often tied to geography, which can make or break a culture.Geography is Destiny.A term used by Napoleon for war, but Geography often shapes cultural values. I don't see many Goths in the south. there are but no. its too hot and humid to dress in that fashion. also think of surf culture, how they dress. light clothes to get in and out of the water and to stay cool and visible. wearing things they find on the beach.Thats all i have. Good luck.
I have one more thought I want to get out and mull over. Dissect.Geography is destiny.This is a vital key, and I'm thinking how does the geography exist when its on Television.Wacky Pomo as you see in this threads picture, was on the television landscape. The television geography. Made for kids.For today, we have the internet landscape. Its a much fare more vast geography. For something like Wacky Pomo to exist it needed the target people to herd into its culture. 90s kids. At that time, they identified what kids liked. Gross out humor, cringey jokes, subtle cynicism, and wild imaginations. The cartoons at this time in the 90s reflected that. Especially wild imaginations. Rugrats was a major hit. Every episode started with the babies misinterpreting something their parents heard. Which would cause their imaginations to run wild. This was wacky pomos myth. the rugrats. and from that, came wacky, out of shape designs.I'm exploring this for you guys to understand. How you can extrapolate a style out of a culture.Sorry for the jumbled mess of ideas, but I hope it helps you guys understand something deeper behind how aesthetics are made.
>>462171The "wacky out of shape designs" of 90s animated cartoons are nothing more than a continuation of an exaggerated "screwball" style that's as old as animated cartoons themselves and was especially popularized by Tex Avery, who is cited as a major influence by everyone who does wacky animated cartoons, and especially the ones that were popular in the 90s.This thread is ust another illustration of how Cari does the opposite of educating people and convinces people with no clue that they have something to teach others.
>>462172Oh no, a missing piece of the puzzle. Better throw it all away.Youre a child.
>>462174His behavior actually solodifies the point about culture. He belongs that culture, but his stubborn autistic fashion for the facts is exactly how people in that culture die.
>>462175Right?Culture dies when its treated only as fact, and not as participation. He follows the letter of the law, admirable, but he doesnt follow the spirit of the law. With that, there is no life in him. Pitty.Not to mention, i believe my point about wackey pomo was still on the same branch. I ddint comment on the root of tje branch, it being extending from tex avery. His behavior is that of narcissus. He will use that fact to move goal posts, and discredit. There is no participating with that anon. Typical behavior of intermet culture, and ironically, of a Pharisee, or a jew.
>>462176You->I ddint comment on the root of tje branchalso you->This was wacky pomos myth. the rugrats. and from that, came wacky, out of shape designs.>from thatYou literally said that the wacky animated cartoon image style derived from 90s animation, because you have been conditioned by exposure to retards like Cari to talk out of your ass like an authority, and then when called out for spouting bullshit you just unleash a bunch of personal insults and retarded word salad and a sockpuppet or two.Everything about the Tex Avery connection disproves your claims- animation artists in the late 20th century DID resurrect and popularize that very distinctive mid 20th century style with a contemporary youth culture that had little connection to the culture that style originally sprang from.Also people like Tex Avery were influenced by artists and period styles that came generations before them too, and it's all part of the same ongoing stylistic evolution that BOTH influences and is in.Once again illustrating why the Cari zoomer approach of deep beard stroking research LARPing over a five or ten year trend in commercial art by people with no clue about actual art history or cultural connections with commercial art is just retard fuel.
>>462181>wordsNah, im still right. Stay mad.
>>462185No you just can't read
>>462185>>462213what are you guys even fighting over? minor details or actual substance?
>>462213I don't know how to read?You don't understand a word I said about culture. and instead of trying to engage with the topic of how culture is what gives these aesthetics legitimacy, you argued and focused on a technicality that has no bearing on the topic to throw out the whole thread. You're an idiot. Your ego is bruised because you couldn't get the jist of my 'word salad'.when you argue a technicality of fact like that, all that proves is you ignored everything because you didn't understand it. >Sock puppet or twoyeah, you got me there, I did that because you're not worth talking with. you're pathetic.
>>462247You think I'm the same guy or something like that? None the less he is still right about Cari and how it makes you pretentious and stupid.
>>462249I dont believe i said he was wrong about the tex avery stuff only that the things i was analyzing shot off it and took its own form.I dont know how im putting on a show of superiority though>nah im rightOkay maybe, but before that. Any authority i think i have is because i was researching on what cultures are and how buisnesses make a small culture to sell their products. Yeah, im not a college fucking professor, but engage with the toughts provided man.I think any air of authority you saw i was giving was a projection from your own insecurity. In all do respect. 90% pf whats said is how you say it, and the internet has stripped away tone. Youre reading what i said with the voice in your head, not the voice i use.
>>462251Nvm, forget it I lost my temper.I think what i said has merit, im going to keep my understanding and work in it, but i could have delevered it better.
I think there has to be a sense of novelty. It can't be a previously trodden path or else it feels like a spent energy, it feels like forcing something that has long since ran its course. Like a meme or music genre, it's not completely dead but its confined to a small clique of aficionados. It cannot captivate large portions of the population anymore so most people move on to something feels fresh and invigorating.Moreover it just feels forced. People naturally aren't inclined to make art like they did 20 years ago (which was largely impacted by the technological means that are no longer there). It's easier and more intuitive to just do what you're used to (generic flatshit) or do something new. People don't naturally do things that happen to faithfully adhere to bygone trends. Just just do whatever.And like a meme, it has to naturally emerge from the zeitgeist. It has to seem like the most befitting thing for the moment. The laser grids of the 80s just aren't gonna cut it for most people.Stuff like synthwave and vaporwave have a niche appeal that likely could never go mainstream. And even then, it is hardly a faithful implementation of retro aesthetics. They are more of a crude indulgence of stereotypes of the 80s & 90s for the purpose of escapism. It's not forward looking like the retro aesthetics that inspire it. These are dead genres for people who are dead inside.
>>462363Looking at OP and this, there just seems to be a sense of individualism on the internet that keeps people from blossoming a movement.People can hone in their own graphic design and style, but to get a great majority of others to follow is a really hard deal. And to have those other people following not seem like a cheap knockoff is harder. Think of AVGN clones.You're either doing something new, or knocking someone off, when you actually get enough skill to not look like an amatuer/everyone else.
>>462363>Just just do whatever*They just do whatever>>462373It might be the case that artistic trends will come to be less centralized over time resulting in a more diverse and compartmentalized landscape. AI is a big game changer too. The ease with which you can generate art might break the death grip Corporate Memphis currently has (which is mainly used due to how braindead & easy it is to create). Targeted advertising may reflect this, for better or worse. Sites that collect data about you may figure out what aesthetics appeal to you and generate ads accordingly. Web design might also similarly opt for a variety of AI generated layouts. I'm sure people are realizing how repugnant Corporate Memphis is to a lot of people. The world is bigger than the oversocialized bugmen and PMC drones that actually enjoy that garbage. I almost think its intentionally bad as a means of driving away interesting people thus lowing competition for themselves.
