>>30234692
you wouldn't wish for you mother, sister, daughter or any woman you cared about to sell herself.

>>30234692
Why explain to a retard who thinks its only conservative christians and secular liberals that shame it. Your answers are a google away but you ask this dumbass question here.

>>30234692
Post 3 fag

Conservatives see it as a loss of intimacy, commitment, and moral responsibility.
Critical liberals highlight inequality, economic coercion, and power asymmetries.

>>30234692
Ill make comparisons and arguements from both sides and you can think for yourself.
Generally speaking:
Liberals lean more towards feminism and women empowerment and naturally view prostitution and sex work as liberating and empowering.
Conservatives value family, being modest, marriage and make the arguement that this is beneficial to society by increasing the population and raising a healthy household environment. They naturally view that sex work is detrimental to society and see sex work as degenerate to anyone who engages in that behavior whether it be porn, OF, prostitution, multiple partners, sex before marriage.

Thats bassically it in a nutshell, but there are more details such as a sexualized society influences kids, STDs, degenerates, weak men addicted to porn, less population. This is why men lean more towards the right, let me ask you: would you rather have a bunch of sluts? Or a bigger selection to choose from but only pick 1 virgin? Most men choose the latter.

>>30234692
It’s literally just NPC thinking at this point.
Most people bealive within two ticks of what thier parents bealive.
>>30234692
> no other options than to pay for starfish sex
This is sort of a meme, sure it happens (like in Vegas) but most escort women working freelance are very friendly and sweet, it’s thier job to be nice, and most of them really don’t mind the work, and even enjoy it or are good enough at faking it..
>>30234919
NPC midwit rank. If I am some underclass road crew or factory tool living in a company dormitory, it’s in everyone’s interest that I have access to sex. Everyone’s interest:The owners of the company, the local women who are not interested in me, other men (less on edge).

>>30234692
Most of peoples sense of the objective revolves around the idea of what things are good for society.
not being able to get a women to fuck you pretty much is seen a sign you cant do the most basic shit to make society go on, which is popping out baby to then grow up and pop an other baby out.

its also just weird and seen as as sign of mental illness to not get some one to fuck you. like how the fuck do you not know one person you can fuck.

>>30234692
" women quite frankly are just not interested"

I wonder why...?

>>30235186
op was born a autist, but didnt luck out and get a high paying job they are fascinated with, and didnt luck out and find a autist gf who just wants to love them and squeeze all their cummies out

>>30235208
autistic chicks are nutters. I do not recommend them

>>30234692

no its not, its quite normal seen, if it really was there wouldnt be so many prostitutes in the corner

>>30234692
either overtly or subconsciously, it's viewed as a social failing/bad genes roll to pay for what women are giving away for free to other guys

>>30234692
Why do you care if its frowned upon? People think guys who pay for sex are losers. You are willing to fuck a stranger, thats gross. You are willing to give a woman money to use her body, also gross and pathetic. It's degeneracy, if you are willing to pay for sex, you shouldn't care what other people think, you've gone beyond shame.

>>30235386
How is that gross? Spending money to fuck a whore is easier and a better use of time and money than spending hours upon hours talking to a woman (time is money) and also paying for dates and gifts, etc.. to MAYBE have a chance of fucking her before she eventually leaves

>>30234692
source?

>>30234692
>Can someone explain to me why paying for sex is so frown upon by Society?
Who is frowning you faggot? Why would they promote sex workers, and the platforms they use, if it was so "frowned upon"? It's the people you surround yourself with, and most likely your insecurities. There's def an element of man-hating wrapped up in there too.
The whore is paid to fuck men all day and she is seen a "goddess" but the many men who fuck her and leave are the bad ones? None of my social circles see it this way. Your wither young or need new friends. Also, don't let social media dictate your life. Let me guess, you think makeup makes a woman beautiful? Cuck.

>>30235099
So if you're weird you deserve to be miserable and alone forever with no release?

>>30234692
It breaks the pretenses of what a relationship is. The man gets his nut, the woman gets her money. It cannot be masked in the sense that a typical couple can.

It pierces the veil on both sides of the spectrum. The sexually "free" types recoil because it shines a light on the transactional foundation to their relationship. The man courts her with many things that could have just as easily been $500 in cash... for the eventuality that he gets his nut and she gets the things she wanted that money could supply.

The incel because they understand sex to be transactional, but still place such a high importance on putting their dick in a hole that it becomes their identity. When someone breaks their egoistic pity bubble by just paying for access to the hole, it leads to outlash from the ego.

The religious larpers recoil because it shows them that underneath all their dogma and self bullshitting, the unmarried are running directly counter to what they ought to follow and are thus no better than the heathen who courts a woman out of wedlock with cash or prizes. The married larpers have entrenched themselves to a position of reliance on a woman's holes and the man's provisions rather than that of God in their twisted adherence to Paul's directive to marry (and thus in their mind to have carte blanche non-procreational sex) rather than burn with passion... giving up on God's fulfillment and turning once more into a rutting beast.

The truly religious who remain celibate or marry and have sex solely for procreation see it as not only plain immoral promiscuity, but also a rejection of God's natural order... non-procreational sex is a hedonistic denial of God's supplication. From the prostitute down to the married larper, they are trading in their God given gift of a celibate strength in all walks of life (see Samson) or their position as a fountain to the woman's well as they walk jointly in a strengthened communion with God.

>>30234692
The real question now being, why the fuck are you giving a shit about what other people think?

>>30234692
Why do you care?
Just do it if you desire sex.

>>30234692
If you can't figure it out, you've been filtered by evolution already and need not worry.

>>30234692
>Everyone pretty much shames a MAN for paying for sex.
>For many guys, women quite frankly are just not interested, and they have no other options than to pay for starfish sex
There's your answer. You are treated as a lesser because the valuator (women) find you lacking. Sure they still follow their cavewoman feelings, but society also follows its caveman values. Man strong high status protector provider creator fixer, woman beautiful good mother carer.

>>30234692
In this thread you can see the inherent reality that sexually repressed societies will in turn, over-worship and be chronically obsessive about sex in unhealthy manners. Europeans are not this obsessed about sex and prostitution is consequently far more tolerated. Like, the cult of 'have to lose my virginity before certain age or not a man' doesn't occur there without Americanisms going down

Christian ethics and morality clearly aren't just and in a balance with the order of human natures. Then there's the thing people are saying: "you wouldnt want women who are your relatives to do that" Yes but also that has to happen in order for the highest creation of life like also your own life or if you have a nephew/niece, and also as a general act of union, which does keep people right and sane and healthy.

In the dark ages when Christianity and the 'Good book' was in super duper power times, that was also the times when the famished boys would be selling their asses for fucking bread in dark alley of the village due to poverty and the constant brother wars, which also was really really excruciatingly bad despite how more 'holy' everything was then. This was way more depressing than you lot could ever know

Now it's basically just the people who were born for and want to do sex work, that do it, not basically everyone having to do it secretly (and when they got 'caught out' by the church - who were also the biggest customer in the dark nights - they then get made an example of at dawn as well- like your e.g relative)

It's not so bad.

It's like the prohibition, it won't work and is principally far more sillier. Let the women and men who are down for that do it and deal with that problem, like the river unclogging the pollution in itself, in it's flow out to the sea. Stop blocking the river, you know?

>>30234692
Because religious conservatives likes to larp about muh morals and feminists think every sexual act that isn't surrounded by the man endlessly courting and simping for weeks is exploitative and rape.

There are both liberal feminist and conservative countries that have decriminalized or legalized it though if you look across Europe and north America. Might be something cultural and historical as well.

>>30236564
>Europeans are not this obsessed about sex and prostitution is consequently far more tolerated.
You mean the stupid eurocucks who've come up with the genius nordic model where the man is severely punished for buying sex while the woman can sell how much she wants?

>>30235386
Most average men who try and do celibacy will go insane and neurotic from it. Consequently being more of 'loser' or becoming 'sigma pilled' like the 70s truck killers raping and killing hookers.

But obviously sex icky and gross; the women that don't care and will do that even in their full freedom of choice and still will in 200 years even in space robot world, and the guys that don't care: do they need to have your worthless judgement hovering on them?

The river flows, and you spit on it and judge it, and it keeps flowing and you get angry and have opinions about it, and it doesn't stop it just keeps flowing and trying to unpolluted itself from YOUR pollution.

>>30235386
>Hur dur, we need to have insane truck driver rapists running round and normal guys who can work and raise white families, just instead be depressed and alienated from the world and eventually kill themselves Hur dur

>>30234692
whores are worthless to humanity. unloved, dumb talking fleshlights with stds

>>30234692
Women hate the truth (as do conservatives).

>>30236645
Yes but we currently require women for reproduction so we can't get rid of them

>>30234692
All male to female sex is paid for, its just the means and the honesty of the situation that is in question.

>>30236845
we won't need reproduction for long now we have AI and robots, organic life will become useless very quickly, so the total women genocide will begin soon

>>30234692
what keeps society running is beta males being put in a hamster wheel, overpaying and overcommitting for intimacy on the one hand and a stable family life on the other. Think “Be a productive member of society and you will get to reproduce” This mechanism built almost all the wealth increase in the past 1000 years, because males were able to focus being productive instead of smashing each others skull in to be “the alpha”.Prostitution would devalue a large chunk of the intimacy part of the equation and thus both feminists and conservatives hate it.

>>30234692
any monetary transactions,"change of hands" specifically owes "financial responsibility" to the government, but "prostitution" makes the PUBLIC monetary transaction intermingle with privacy-breach, for example, is prostitution were not illegal, how would you prosecute "financial fraud" in case of "duping" or "misconduct of service"? if the "sex-worker" is seen as guilty, how do you avoid "homewrecking" and "sex-work" causing an otherwise ordinary probation into "almost definite lynching"?

itt. Prostitution is illegal because of tax|judicial fraud and to avoid lynchings|privacy breach.

>>30235914
This

>>30234692
> Everyone pretty much shames a MAN for paying for sex

Yeah, its because paying for something that is otherwise free because you either suck or are impatient is degeneracy, coupled with the entirely hedonistic aspect if it. Courting a mate requires sacrifice and should result in progeny if all goes according to plan. Fucking a prostitute requires and results in neither

If you don’t understand you are a man without dignity, virtue, or values. A man society doesn’t want or need

>>30236575
The eurocucks that have getting a whore a single whatsapp message away and also don't pay almost a fortune since it's legal in most countries and competition drives the prizes. When I visited Germany, I could get an hour for 130 eurobucks with a clean chick.

If we as a society are going to destigmatize and embrace sex work as real work, then we must also detigmatize and embrace sex customers as equally legitimate. We either normalize both, or fail to normalize either.

>>30234692
if you can't attract a women naturally you do not deserve to breed and it is our instinct to deny you continuation in our gene pool

>>30237132
spoken like a woman.

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>>30234692
Men were psyoped by decades of brainwashing. 100 years ago no man gave a fuck if another man went to a prostitute. For women it's because they know deep down any one of them COULD end up as a prostitute and they don't want that

>>30234692
>/gif/
>41 replies, two webm
you guys srsly need to stfu and go back to the containment boards

>>30234692
Why do you care? Just do what you want.

Who the hell cares.
You really think at the end of your life, you're gonna be having deep thoughts about how you paid that escort extra for some head?
Just be glad you did it before the ED hit.

>>30237461
shut the fuck up fuckwad

>>30234692
the right is against it generally for puritanical reasons.

the left is against because they are aware that it often and almost always goes hand in hand with crime, specifically trafficking and rape.

>>30234692
>paying for sex is so frown upon by Society
It isn't. Most people say one thing, believe another, and do a third. Relationships are always transactional. Women never have sex without an expectation of something.

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>>30235016
"of what their parents believe" aka the basis of half of everyone's morality. Most chill SWers aren't the ones who got chopped up or had something shit done to them.
In a hyper individualist/capitalist (let us not get it wrong that any future system that actually prioritizes individualism would be any different), the urge is catered to. When consumption is king, you can expect to not be owed sex, at least by public institutions anyways.
Maybe in the future, it'll be normalized and the conditions that make SWs aren't shit

>>30234692
I don't even understand the point of paying for sex if you have to use a condom. I have literally zero interest in that. Skin to skin or it didn't go in. If I could buy a hot young girl and not have to use a condom then I'd absolutely do that, but I've looked and it doesn't seem to be an option. Am I wrong? Am I looking in the wrong place? UK if it matters.

>>30237461
Pretty based take actually

>>30237535
Lol hooker user got fucking tilted

>>30234692
Frowned upon by women because:
It reveals the very essence of every male-female relationship since beginning of time: You provide food, I provide access to my holes.

Frowned upon by men because:
It reveals your status in the male dominance hierarchy as a loser at the very bottom: Instead of being able to fuck a woman for free, be it by charm, manipulation or flat out physical strength (rape) you're a cuck that actually PAYS for it with your hard earned money.

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>>30234709
>women the most free in history
>still sell themselves online/sugar daddies regardless
Stfu whiteknight, we live in the most verifiable proof time in human existence, and you still think women wouldn't do this given the opportunity? Fucking dumbass faggot, you probably think your momma or sister are innocent saints who never sucked off a random motherfucker at least once.

mostly about moral posturing but hoeflation is real i dont have enough money to hire hookers after being a wagie

>>30234692
human trafficking

>>30235914
>The incel
holy reddit delusion. go on .is buddy and stop speaking out of your raped ass.

>>30235099
how do you get to be this cucked? go back

>>30237461
>naturally
do you know what else is natural? Rape :)

>>30237132
>A man society doesn’t want or need
imagine being this mind raped.

>>30239347
>being able to fuck a woman for free
only men who fuck women for free are really good looking men and rapist. your coping if your think your 5'9 ass is fucking some random bitch because of ChArM lmfao

Delete this thread

>>30238385
>the left cares about crime

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>30234692
1. Sex is still seen as a sacred act. Despite the progressive agenda, sex is srill very much seen as a sacred act between two peo0le that love each other. People may have sex outside that situation, but they feel a great shame doing it unless they have been completely brainwashed by modern ideology, and rightfully so. Sex should be a speciap exclusive act. The more peo0le you share yourself with, the less exclusive it is, the less special it is.
2. Whoring is wrong. And by extension supporting whores is wrong. As an extension of above, people performing acts for sexual gratification, especially those involving sex or nudity, makes those acts less exclusive and less special. It's also a tasset admission that you have no worth besides your body as a sex object for men to use.
3. By paying for sex you are essentially admitting that you can't get women to habe sex with you otherwise, which is a huge shame in itself.

>>30240364
Naw, if youact hyper confident and don't want a relationship, a lot of women will just put out cause it's easy and they want sex. These aren't high value woman, obviously, and pften aren't even good looking, but if you want sex, it's 100% there for the taking.

>>30234692
You're a loser if you need to pay for sex.

sex is simply not that important, and i cannot pay for companionship.

the twist here, is that I do not desire companionship. i've tried it. it wasn't for me. only a fool would waste more time on this mindless gambling.

either I will meet someone without actively looking, or I will die alone, and I won't be any unhappier for it.

I feel that many actual incels would share this opinion if they actually got a partner for a while. Unless they get extremely lucky, of course.

>>30234692
Because open prostitution ultimately harms women, and society always puts their interests on a pedestal.

>>30234692
men existing is frowned on by society. any man who hasn't died in service to women is a selfish monster.

>>30240364
>only men who fuck women for free are really good looking men and rapist
oh no no no no no no AHAHAHAHA what a pathetic way to out yourself as a turd world brownoid. just be white

Who gives a shit? If you're charismatic you can do anything. I'm happily married now and slept around in my 20s. If I could have afforded a ticket to Europe in my youth and fucked my way through beautiful women at a brothel for the price of a nice dinner I'd have been doing it every god damn night.

What makes you unappealing is your flagrant self loathing. Do what you want to do and be happy that you're taking care of your needs. If you want regular women to notice you, put work into yourself. That means exercise, diet, and taking care of your appearance. I've met too many fucking losers who say they want affection but then balk at the idea that you have to work for it. Attractive people are attractive because they work for it. If you want sex, go pay for sex. If you want societal approval and a regular relationship, get a gym membership, learn to groom, work on your social skills, and make the effort to ask chicks and get used to rejection while you hone your skills.

>>30240391
you pay for sex with dates

>>30234692
holdover from christianity and has stuck around because women hate each other and that includes if they're taking advantage of men because it devalues themselves
>>30240558
also this

>>30234692
okay but who is this tho

>>30234692
fucking hookers is the best. i've easily spent over 100k AUD on them in the last year alone. pretty sure i'm addicted to it. no regrets at all

>>30234692
Because human beings are not for sale and not goods to be sold. Also you are a loser if you have to pay for sex instead of attracting a woman. Sex is for the creation of children first and foremost, when you pay a prostitute for sex you are having sterile gay sex. This is why hook up culture is gay because birth control makes women de facto sterile so the sex is fake and gay. Stop being a hedonistic debased animal and gay.

>>30239394
Acting on your most debased impulses is not freedom, it is slavery. This applies to men as well, you have as many masters as you have vices.

>>30240830
How many std's do you got? Only a matter of time.

>>30240678
Ask your wife what she would think of you if you had bought prostitutes before she met you and if she would still marry you. Also are you trying to equate hook up culture with prostitution?

>>30240779
heymolly aka mourrdale

>>30240859
thanks

Women hate it because they know deep down that they will lose the power they have over men. They get loads of attention, dinners and have endless option. If sexwork was legal they would lose that. Think about it, the retarded left talks about women empowerment, the right to choose what to do with their bodys, they even endorse OF hoes. So why do they hate it when a women freely chose to sell their puhh for some cash?

Many sexworkers like their jobs. They would much rather meet 1 - 3 dudes a day over having a soul draining office job that pays 30% of what they make being a sexworker.
The really good looking girls can charge $400 for an hour and they can get plenty of customers. They literally have to work 6hours a month to earn the same as they would working a 9-5 office job.

I have been with around 10 prostitutes and they all seem to like their jobs. Also, they have all been 20-30yo with KILLER bodys, we are talking amazing hourglass shape with an ass to die for.

Right now i have two friends with benefits relationship but i still meet prostitutes ever other month because even tho im decently good looking i cant fuck model looking girls with hourglass shapes. Paying $150 for 30mins of professional god tier blowjob and a fat ass is so fucking worth it once in a while.

>>30234692
Feminism / insecure faggots.

>>30240391
everyone pays

>>30240837
>Because human beings are not for sale and not goods to be sold
You're depicting it in a more degrading way that it has to be. That's called propaganda. Women selling sex don't look at it this way. Plus like other anons mentioned you almost always have to pay in one way or another especially if you want long term sex from a woman. Can't be ok with that and then look down on other forms people pay.
>when you pay a prostitute for sex you are having sterile gay sex.
So why is faggotry promoted everywhere while single heterosexual men are thrashed to oblivion for fucking hookers?

>>30235016
>Most people bealive within two ticks of what thier parents bealive.
>and I believe that prostitution is fine
So your mom is a whore?

>>30234692
>Can someone explain to me why paying for sex is so frown upon by Society?
Because if you couldn't get a girlfriend there was something really wrong with you. Now that changed with the boom of social media and its societal changes. Zoomers might be fucked forever.

Either way, sex without the real intimacy is worse than fapping.

>>30234692
Unironically, the patriarchy.

I'm glad to be immune to female shaming tactics. I will shamelessly go to asian massage parlor and get a hand job from the masseuse without even looking over my shoulder. I've been meaning to take a trip to SEA to either lose my virginity to cheap prostitutes or instead just find a wife before I spoil myself

>>30234692
The monetary exchange for physical services from truly independent actors is 100% legitimate and morally square

The big problem beyond degenerating societal expectations is that most sex workers aren't independent or in the industry by choice
Human trafficking, intimidation, coercion, robbery etc all come with the sex trade.
Those are the problems we are trying to not open up more than they already are

>>30240678
>What makes you unappealing is your flagrant self loathing.

That's an interesting point. I think some cultures have this hyper-moralistic-fetish embedded.

Sex at home with the live-in-whore is best, hands down. It's fun, it's easy, it's already paid for and when you're done you can just go downstairs and have breakfast or go shower or snuggle for a while longer, depending on your preferences.

Sex with a hooker is different. It's transactional, you pay, you fuck, you shower, you leave.

And then you can either go "Omg, I feel dirty now and I hate myself." or you go "Nice. That took care of the horny. Time to do something else now."
The hyper-moralistic cultures go with option one while others go with door 2. It's a bit like catholics vs. protestants.

The catholics know that humans are sinners but God loves us and forgives. You've been sinning with hookers? You've cheated on your wife? It's okay, we are sinners. Do you regret your sins and are willing to ask for forgiveness from god? Cool, you're a-okay now.

The protestants also know that humans are sinners but God hates sinners and punishes them. You've been sinning with hookers? You've cheated on your wife? Good, everything bad that happens to you from now on is deserved because you are a sinner. FUCK YOU!

I'm not religious but I would always chose the catholic option if I was. Just so much more relatable.

Stop hating yourself, stop loathing yourself. It will make you a better human being, it will make you less angry, it will make you more datable. And stop reading bullshit red-pill stuff on reddit with other incels.
Go out, find other people to share your hobbies with and hey, maybe find a chick that wants to be your live-in-whore (read: be your gf). Cause they also have hobbies and are out looking for people.

>>30240837

Stop larping as a retard.

> Because human beings are not for sale and not goods to be sold.

You are not paying for the hooker, you are paying for their time or a service they are providing. That's a regular business transaction and it's otherwise called "transaction". Hint: That's also why it's called "transactional sex" which is okay but is different than a relationship.
In fact, one could argue that in a relationship with a large financial/power imbalance you're paying for the person and not their time. But I'll leave that dumb discussion to the dumb academics.

> Sex is for the creation of children first and foremost

If sex is for creation of children first and foremost, why did God make it so damn pleasurable to wank? You're a retard or you're baiting. Probably the former.

> when you pay a prostitute for sex you are having sterile gay sex

Ahh. You're a self-loathing fag who hasn't had the moral fortitude to come out of the closet and admit to themselves and their parents that they are a faggot and they love cock. Being gay is okay. It does not make you a worse human being. Admit it to yourself, tell your parents and stop projecting your own self-loathing on the gays.
Fun fact: Gays outside the closet usually do not need to pay prostitutes for sex because they are all horny degenerates who meet in bars and their dating game is so much easier than ours. No need to invite anyone to dinner, romance them etc. Go to a gay bar, wait, done. Someone will ask you if you're up to go home with them or maybe a quick suck behind the bar in the filthy alley.

I guess you're the type to go bottom in the filthy alley considering how much you sprout the word "gay".

>>30241121
>Women hate it because they know deep down that they will lose the power they have over men.
There are multiple factors but this one is the most significant.

Lots of weird feminine posts ITT revolving around measuring a man's life in terms of his contribution to basedciety. That idea might have some merit if we didn't live under a matriarchal Jewish slave system which cares more about undermining the goyim by spreading LGBT crap than maintaining a functioning society that they can successfully leech off of for the long haul. Like gentile boomers with reverse mortgages, even the Jew boomers went full retard and killed the host lmao

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>>30234692
Only sleazy losers hire escorts that's why.

>>30241716

Yet here you are, posting videos of a whore in yoga pants.

I assume you didn't even pay her?

>>30234692
>Can someone explain to me why paying for sex is so frown upon by Society?
because we're frowning at you for being a failure.
chicks are easy to get.

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>>30241724
>I assume you didn't even pay her?
Well duh. I got this webm from here, for free.

>>30241828

Grand nigger. They are still fucking whores

Get yourself a respectable woman you can bring into society. Those whores ain't it.

>>30234692
Souce?

>>30234692
paying for a destitute woman’s s time is depraved exploitation. If women were given UBI you’d never see prostitution or pornography again.

>>30241891
> If women had free money, they wouldn't be whores.

My man. All women are whores. If you truly find a women that doesn't have the potential to be a whore you're mistaken.

Women do sell their bodies for money. Those are prostitutes and women hate them.

All good women love free attention and that's why they have an insta where they post some "risky" bikini shots and if that doesn't do it anymore, they go to r/girlsgonewild and post there.

Women have been told all their lives that beauty is what defines them. So they want acceptance and accolades which they get by showing their "beauty". They are posing and giving it away for free for some pajeet or incel to masturbate over. But in return the women get a little dopamine hit every-time someone likes their shit.

Just look at fucking tiktok where young girls are basically training their inner whores.
If the chinese hadn't invented tiktok to ruin a whole generation, the jews would have done it by now.

>>30239394
Lot of words for “I’m a fag”…

>>30241891
>If women were given UBI you’d never see prostitution or pornography again
Ah yes, no women ever would whore herself for more money, attention, status or to piss off her dad. Retard.

>>30235099
>a sign you cant do the most basic shit to make society go on, which is popping out baby to then grow up and pop an other baby out

bro that's on women, about 50% of young men want marriage and kids but only 42% of young women. This is what happens in any society where there's a middleman between men and women that transfers support from men to women, thereby making most men invisible to those women.

>its also just weird and seen as as sign of mental illness to not get some one to fuck you. like how the fuck do you not know one person you can fuck.

Perfectly good dudes can and cannot get sex. Complete shitbags also can and cannot get sex. If anything, the shitbags have an edge.

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>>30235369
Which is odd, because it presumes women are making prudent and/or eugenic choices in who they fuck, when most are definitely not. Even by their own admission. Every ex is a bad guy, there are no suitable men left, wah wah etc.
>>30237132
Again, this presumes women have sensible criteria and make good choices. They generally don't. The "Women are Wonderful" effect, a cognitive bias presuming women are inherently good, is likely a factor here.
>>30241891
False. Many women who prostitute could easily have found a wealthy man to marry, had his children, and been taken care of as they kept his house and raised his children. Most hookers in the developed world are not desperate.

My sugarbabies were not desperate.
The young, intelligent yoga and pilates enthusiast dental hygienist who made good money was not desperate. She wanted 200-300 dollars to fund her vacations, and we had hours of great sex for it. No rubber, loved creampies. She could easily snag a rich husband. The married military wife just wanted money for Disneyland and spa days. Again, raw fucking and creampies every time. Amazing sex. I can still feel her pussy clenching on my dick like a cigar cutter when I hit those deep spots.

Women like money, they like fucking. Do the math.

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One of the eternal lessons and recurring themes I see in history, mythology, nature, biology, the universe itself, is that nothing is ever quite enough for the feminine to be truly content and at peace. That's the point of Eden and many other stories. It's also why making women happy shouldn't be too high on your list of priorities. Even if you manage to make it happen, you find out it doesn't last. All you really did was raise her expectations to new level. A proper man knows this and does not make women the arbiter of his worth.

>>30241563
The "muh society" argument is always conveniently non-reciprocal. The same people will revert to hardcore individualist bootstrapping when reciprocation is mentioned. The incentives for men have collapsed, and even inverted, so thoroughly that many have given up on women and family. Even still, there are men willing to take a crack at it. Give them basic considerations, value their nature and give them a payoff to subdue and harness it, and they will move mountains. But doing that would entail putting women back on the leash.

Women only find like 5-10% of guys sexually attractive enough to want to fuck. Most guys get sex from women using them for resources or attention. For most guys paying for sex would be better than being in a relationship

I will highlight three points.

>Point 1:
I have met a lot of prostitutes in my life, and most of them are quite insane. This is probably supported by data. Either prostitution messes with women's heads, or only women with messed-up heads become prostitutes, both cases reinforcing the idea that prostitution is something negative.

>Point 2:
Liberals confuse change with progress (in the good sense of the word). They see that their society is increasingly tolerant of sexual deviance and end up concluding that tolerance of deviance is the natural path of social progress, which is a fallacy.

>Point 3:
Prostitution has always been tolerated, even in the most conservative and traditionalist societies. Even Jesus personally protected a prostitute. However, tolerating something you consider negative is different from celebrating it. 100% of human civilizations have a negative view of prostitution, even though virtually all of them tolerate it to a certain extent.
What leftists call hypocrisy is just a basic function of human societies, which is to maintain a strict code of conduct but have some flexibility in relation to it. Some societies tear up codes of conduct completely, and the result is that they collapse and cease to exist. That is why 100% of civilizations are "anti" prostitution. If there were others that, like modern Western society, celebrated prostitution, they have ceased to exist, just as modern Western society is collapsing in real time around us all.

>>30237410
Easier said than done. Even if the elephant in the room is 'dying', religion aint dead yet

>>30235099
match group says no, because they gave them a height filter

>>30240376
>aren't even good looking
Then what's the fucking point?

>>30237410
It's a deeply Victorian mindset clashing with the hardcore modern "liberation" narrative of women and bodily autonomy. The man is still given full agency and initiative and held accountable because it's bad to hire hookers, and the woman is empowered and independent for being a hooker and fucking the dude. It's downright schizophrenic, and it can only come about in societies in which men are effectively a slavish scapegoat class.
>>30243163
1. Yes, many prostitutes are fucked up. Some go into it that way, some become that way after too much time in the game. However, many more women engage in soft prostitution like the sugar baby life or doing porn, and even their "relationships" are effectively prostitution arrangements. I believe something about "hard" prostitution, probably the high volume and one-and-done nature of most of the encounters, inflicts enormous psychological damage. This doesn't change the fact that most women are still doing some kind of whoring that is less damaging.

2. Correct. Progress is just the glorification of licentiousness and the rejection of any unchosen bond or obligation, elevated to a religious ideal, but for a secular world

3. Correct. Societies have always known whoring, homos, etc existed. They just knew it should be kept private and there should be a bit of shame about it. No one ever expected these behaviors to be fully eradicated.

One reason: women have always used sex as a tool to get what they want from their "loved one". If you can just order some pussy and satisfy that need with some cash, all that power goes away. The woman has to gain your affections some other way.

>>30241225
I remember Dr. Drew noticing that the young guys who were participating in a show he was doing were often seeing hookers. He said they told him that was the only way they could get any sex. There may have been some selection bias or something, but there is hard data showing that more and more young men are sexless, while the young women are not nearly as sexless (obviously this means fewer younger men are getting more girls, and some older men might be getting younger girls too) so it would not be surprising if his anecdote could be extrapolated to the big picture.

>>30235479
>source

Yandex says it's mourrdale.

>>30234919
How is this a question, I'd rather have a bunch of open-minded sluts who know what they're doing than some prude virgin cuck

>>30239394
What getting rejected once in middle-school does to a mf.

>>30240234
Not neccessary.

An actual non bullshit answer. Turning the most physically intimate thing you can do with someone into a paid service or product is psychologically damaging for both parties involved. You shouldn't do it cause it's bad for your soul.

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>>30234692
Who gives a shit about society? As long as they're not underage, and they aren't being trafficked, and those bitches willfully want to sell their pussy to you, why does it matter what other men have to say about it? Im in favor of it being legalized federally, besides, majority of men are already paying for it through relationships and marriage.

>>30244207
>Who gives a shit about society? As long as they're not underage
Imagine being edgy and milquetoast at the same time.

>>30240847
you shouldn't judge someone for their past, the same way it doenst matter if a woman was passed around a frat it doesn't matter that a man was doing coke off a hooker

>>30244381
Cope harder nigger.

>>30244540
>you shouldn't judge someone for their past
lmao, spoken like someone with a shitty past

>>30244540
>you shouldn't judge someone for their past
Yeah I barely raped, murdered and raped again a couple or so children. I mean, who doesn't?

>>30234743
This is all you need to know.

>>30234692
>For many guys, women quite frankly are just not interested, and they have no other options than to pay for starfish sex

If you can't attract someone of the opposite sex to fuck you and have to resort to having to pay for it it will generally look pathetic no matter your beliefs.

>>30234709
>Instead of getting money for sex they get affection, or security, or egotistical validation.
What's the difference?

>>30234692
From what I understand, there’s a bit of a civil war on leftist women. The ones no one wants to fuck seem to be against it. While the ones that are attractive or at the least in a relationship seem to think sex work is real work.

>>30234692
Imo there's three main factors:
1. World's oldest profession meant women having independence. Lots of people don't like women having freedom. Depending on men means they're easier to control. If you employ a woman, you contribute to their independence.

2. Nowadays, most prostitutes (male or female) work for a pimp who is typically abusive in some way. This also applies to egirls who partner with agencies as much as it applies to sex trafficking. It means that most of the time, paying for sex means contributing to some system of abuse. The "that's someone's daughter" argument comes in here too, where people don't like that someone in their life could be a victim of that, so they disparage anyone who takes part.

3. Some still believe that the only reason to pay for sex is that you can't get it in any other way. It doesn't fit into their heads that some people just prefer to cut out the proverbial middle man that is the transactional nature of romantic relationships. Paying for sex is seen as the act of a desperate and/or undesireable person. Again, little consideration is taken for the situation. Do you have a difficult time getting a partner because you're an evil or disgustung person, or because you're disabled? This is irrelevant to them.

There's also the hidden 4th reason: the idea that selling your body is immoral. This, of course, is completely stupid. Prostitutes don't sell their body any more that someone joining the military or working construction.

>>30241716
I work 12-16 hours a day, not counting commute, then have to take care of family on the weekends. On a typical week, I'll have maybe 3 hours of free time to myself.

Even if I decided to dedicate all 3 of those to a romantic relationship, nobody would be content with a relationship partner that's available for maybe 12 hours a month.

So yeah, if it was legal I'd pay for sex in a heartbeat. It's not sleazy to have respect for others's needs while making sure to take care of my own.

>>30234692
>Can someone explain to me why paying for sex is so frown upon by Society?
Zoomers are literally the generation in the history of generations that pays the most for prostitutes, either by actual sex or onlyfans-like whores, they dont even care if you pay or not and many see it as a "win" because is "cheaper" than marriage.

Places like japan literally became a sexpat in the modern era because of this

>>30240348
Incel incel incel incel incel
It costs me nothing to say this. Stop getting assmad over a word. Until you can invent a word that refers to the same specific group of people, not just virgins in general, that isn't used by normie women, you can't complain.

>>30241923
The man who seeks prostitutes thinks all women are whores. Typical

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>>30245628
>>30240654
you need to go back

>>30244207
>why does it matter what other men have to say about it?
Most men don't really care either. The issue is that a majority of women in most western societies are voting to use hard governmental violence against men who try to get with a prostitute. Even if there's consent involved and despite the fact that prostitution could be used to improve people's mental state, boost confidence and even out the split on the dating market where a lot of men are single and sexless.

>>30245510
>Nowadays, most prostitutes (male or female) work for a pimp who is typically abusive in some way.
>It means that most of the time, paying for sex means contributing to some system of abuse.
This is the opposite of reality. Most girls work independently online and they don't meet their customers IRL. For those who do, there are regulated brothels and lots of control mechanisms to prevent any type of coercion or abuse that the industry used to be stereotyped through. Not sure where you got this from and it sounds like you're arguing against this in point 4.

>>30240841
none so far! completely std free all my life

>>30241835
lmao are you Irish?

>>30234692
the better question is why is it so expensive

>>30234692
The truth is that prostitutes are frowned by most people because they are mainly used by married men that don't get what they want on their relationships, not by unmarried lonely guys.
Yeah, a few unmarried guys use them, but more that half of a hooker's clients are married guys trying to get what their wives don't do for them.

>>30234692
Because it's a sin.

>>30245510
Pimps are uncommon. Most women are running their own show, whether they're actually fucking their customers or going the more fashionable lazy route like awkwardly jamming a dildo into themselves on camera. Besides, when you understand how many women are fucking for resources but not outright prostituting, you realize "sex work" is really just the way of the world, and it's probably a good thing. Why should a man get sex just for being a good manipulator? Why shouldn't he have to provide tangible value for it? Is it good to be a charismatic manipulator? Should those traits be incentivized with coochie? Obviously not.

Stories of trafficking and pimping are given airplay not because of genuine concern for victims, but to demonize the entire scene to justify stings and appeal to women voters by keeping sex more difficult to get so they can string guys along, as said here: >>30241121

It's better for men and women to have to provide value to each other. Men are meant to give resources for pussy. Not to spit game and pump and dump. Women are meant to give pussy for resources. Not to string men along and provide nothing in return.

This is crucial to understand, and this arrangement cannot continue indefinitely. You cannot have a lasting society that is hypersexualized and undersexed, and hypersexualization often leads to less actual fucking, oddly enough. It does not work. It cannot work.

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>>30234692
As someone who uses prostitutes/escorts a lot(and have gotten personally close to them) its because people instinctively know that prostitution fucks them up mentally and the money isnt good enough as they eventually have to become working class and the experience from doing it means nothing.

Reality is that most girls pick up drugs and/or alcohol to deal with the anxiety they feel with it and get addicted to those. When they have kids the fathers are typically very checked out(which is most attractive for them because clients are always rather emotional and wanna save them or something) and dont want to deal with her sudden family motivation and dip. So from there the mother has either got to get a McJob, be a mom and perhaps moonlight prostitution or just dip as well.

Thats why paying for sex is so frowned upon, you are taking part in supporting the creation in a broken household. I see it all the time.

>>30245913
Girls who have pimps still exist. Im in Arizona myself home of "the blade" and girls that have participated there will say you need to have one or you get shit on... Albeit in todays reality majority of cases the "pimp" is really just her boyfriend so the intensity has been toned down

>>30246020
Depends on where you look and what you ask for.

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>>30246057
Correct for now, and that shines a light on how many men are basically being exploited and abused by wives who don't fulfill their basic obligations. However, more and more younger men will be hiring prostitutes in the near future. It's already starting. I'm 36. For 10 years I've sporadically had my sugarbabies and pros, and pros in particular have said they're surprised by how many younger guys come to them in recent years. They like fucking them and enjoy how nice and sweet they are, but they think it's a bad sign for society. These pros have a kind of social awareness and conscience I respect them for, more so than many "regular" women.

>>30234692
We're all whores.

>>30246104
I'm sure it exists but anons suggested it's common or even required when the trend points in the completely opposite direction

>>30241828
Haha, yes. So you appreciate whores afterall then. What's your IQ bro.

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>>30235386
Says "It's degeneracy", "you've gone beyond shame." whilst browsing and posting on 4chan boards lol

>>30240847
>are you trying to equate hook up culture with prostitution?
It's really not all that different from normal 'dating'. Seriously I was wondering whether I'd feel dirty or ashamed when I first tried it and I left thinking
>wow that really wasn't anything I haven't done before, and I don't even have to feel ashamed that someone took advantage of my affection for money because there was a nice, honest price tag at the door