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>>30378300
There's far more to it than that.

>>30378300
Does it matter? They're not hurting anyone by being turned on at the thought of being a woman.

>>30378300
Doesn't matter, if they're pretty enough

>>30378300
i'm sure some are, mostly the ones in porn. outside of porn it's some other shit.

>>30378533
Sauce???

>>30378300
>in disguise
How can they disguise themselves as what sexually satisfies them? It's like calling a furry in disguise because they're wearing a fur suit, no, that's the endgoal.

>>30378694
Honestly yes it does matter.
If someone gets sexual satisfaction from simply being in women's spaces, they're far more a danger to the women around them than if they felt nothing.
It matters because it means by allowing them into women's spaces, every woman involved is unwittingly used for their sexual pleasure.

>>30378300
>Are all of the people in {x group of people I dislike/feel uncomfortable about/whatever} the exact same? Am I the only sentient, conscious human being on the planet with a unique sense of individuality?
>Or am I just a retarded 17 year old boy that is steadfastly becoming a raging larping manchild that wouldn't dare utter his grievances in real life while simultaneously praying for a hierarchy in which society's current standards(which I don't meet) are far, far higher, and carry lethal consequences, so that I do not have to kill myself, because I don't have the balls to confront the fact that all my problems are my own fault, and nobody else's.

yes

>>30378800
But rape is still a crime. If it were a crime to want to see someone naked, every man would be in prison. And nobody is transitioning just to see some tits in the locker room. You're delusional.

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>>30378300
I think most are. I'm an autogynephile and if I weren't so masculine physically, I would 100% have trooned out.

I know that if I did take the shots I would be hot as fuck

>>30378834
>If it were a crime to want to see someone naked, every man would be in prison.
It's a crime for a man to go into a women's change room and gawk at tits.
Enablers like you are worse than the mentally ill fucks you support, at least they have an excuse (being mentally ill and all). You? You're just a faggot.

>>30378303
Sauce?

>>30378300
Yes of course they are. 98% of them are porn addicted AGP weirdos. Especially the ones that claim to be trans-lesbians.

Disgusting transbian monsters.

The other 2% are diamonds in the rough. True rarities. (Mostly found in Southeast Asia)

>>30378303
Sauce?

>>30378800
>If someone gets sexual satisfaction from simply being in women's spaces
that's a creep, not autogynephilia

the dudes in dresses doing it to enter women's toilets are creeps and got absolutely nothing to do with trannies or autogynephilia

>>30378694
I share your opinion but it does bother me that I have to indulge in their shit irl. Like "FACKIN PRONOOOUNS" (not having "they" as an option in games, that's whatever, just having to refer to them as whatever they make up), expecting me to not think of them as their previous gender, or letting minors transition. And trust me, I'm the least "but think of the kids!!" person to ever exist, I just know kids are idiots and don't know what they want. Shit, I was still an idiot up till my mid 20s.

But yeah, I really don't care about what arouses them (I do think most of the trans people today do it out of fetish/kink), or what they do to their body. Live and let live, I say.
And honestly, some of the FTMs are kinda hot? At least mid-transition, I lose interest when they chop their tits completely and go full hairy. Probably because I like tomboys...

>>30379223
An autogynephile's struggle is mostly internal. They're not the ones trying to police pronouns. A true autogynephile puts in the effort to look as good as they can. They won't go outside looking like a freak.

>>30378300
Sissies and often crossdressers are obvious cases of autogynephilliacs, pretty much by definition. So perhaps ask yourself what the difference between a sissy crossdresser and a trans person is. Maybe in porn the difference isn't so stark, because at the end of the day its just a faggot with dick in their mouth, but if you've ever met these types of people in real life, the difference is clear. Trans girls maybe watch a lot of porn and shitty animes, but so do most of you cis guys so whats to judge. My gf is trans, is really into working on track cars, has a good paying job and a good family, and loves sex. But she doesn't smoke meth, put heels and bright lipstick on and jerk off in front of a mirror like buffalo bill lookin ass sissies do

>>30378300
I don't know the meaning of this word so it must be some high tech computer talk, one of those big money words only assholes use on Fox News or some other liberal hog wash television program.

>>30379246
Ehh... I don't know about that, I think you're giving them too much credit...
But maybe it's just my jaded leftie side speaking. The ultra wokeness (some is good) and gender war bullshit has been irreversibly damaging to the left, which makes me extra harsh on them. I don't know if to the extent of unironic racists and schizos have been to the selfish and individualistic "classic" right but it definitely hasn't done it any favours.

>>30378300
Yeah, its a fetish that is very deeply rooted in their learned sexual taste. They started as dudes that got fag curious then took it to this level.
And they did it because it works very well. In the fag scene pretending to be a woman raises your smv
Turns out all fags wanted was to play pretend at het or lesbian relationships

>>30379309
>In the fag scene pretending to be a woman raises your smv
The fuck? Pretty sure bears are as big in the gay scene as flamboyant girly gays. The vast majority of gay guys don't want to transition and don't pretend to be women when they're talking seriously, even if they do so in casual/unserious talk.
They know other gays like men (obviously?) so why would they pretend to be women to be liked by other gays?

>>30378303
That's someone's son

>>30379341
Not anymore. He's my babygirl now.

>>30379302
You have to be absolutely mental if you think the ultra racist right has done more damage than the left mutilating kids, reversing decades of woman rights activism to please mentally ill perverts or burning down entire cities because of some crack getting killing himself ODing to hide a speedball from the cops arresting him for trying to counterfeit bills.
Worst those niggers have done is post
N
in video games or yell it in a bridge. Go touch grass dude.

>>30378694
>mentally ill and literally shooting people
>not hurting anyone
Wew fag

>>30379382
>>30379393
You're talking bullshit and in bad faith. If you truly believe what you're saying, you're retarded.

>>30379262
Both are mentally ill and will end up looking like Buffalo Bill regardless, but the autogynophiliacs are certainly more disgusting because they're just fetishists using the actually mentally ill dysphoric troons as a shield to get their rocks off in public.
Same way pro-abortion activists use rape victims really.
Dishonest assholes with no principles who will just lie to you in order to get their way, that's the main problem with the left abandoning all sort of moral compass.

>>30379401
calling people retarded is not an argument, you are just projecting.

>>30379411
A quick google shows you that >97% of mass shooters are straight men, btw. So yes, you're retarded.

>>30379411
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>>30379415
>wall of text lefty meme
>nothing but projection and bad faith faggotry
You're mentally retarded, what a surprise

>>30379414
All of them these last 2 years have been troons though. Even the extra rare shiny female mass shooter was a MTF troon.
They all also shot like sissies and couldn't beat a freaking korean which makes it extra hilarious.

>>30379302
The obvious "man in a dress" type you're thinking of isn't autogynephile. An autogynephile would rather kill themselves than look like that.

>>30379411
unless they are retarded, then it's an argument

>>30378800
Imagine being this stupid.

~800,000 registered sex offenders in the U.S.
~92–94% male
~6–8% female
~0.7% identify as transgender

Just because you desire cock and can not reconcile it, does not mean that which you covet is problematic. Grow the fuck up.

>>30379444
>moving the goalpost
Guess what. You're still wrong, dumbass.

>>30379485
Despite being only 0.03% of the population, they are 0.7% of the rapist?
Wow....the sick part is that you think this is a win for you, what a retard.

>>30379503
Trips are never wrong you retarded faggot.
we're lucky they're massive failures and often end up killing themselves first before trooning the fuck out, but nobody wants those mentally ill fucks anywhere near them, we all know they're just time bombs.
But to be fair I'd also go crazy if I decided chopping my balls off would make me a woman and instead of that I'd have to constantly smell like feces. Extra fucking crazy since you were already out there when you even considered that first step.

Worst part about mental illness is that it corrodes you and you end up collecting more types for free the further you astray from reality.

>>30379557
Per capita is hard for libs and troons

>>30379557
Perhaps you should get your information from accredited sources. Dumbass

Youth (13–17): ~3.3% identify as transgender
Adults (18+): ~0.8% identify as transgender

You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning then meet someone raped by a trans person. Fucking "self educated" children live on this site.

>>30378365
SAUCE?!

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>>30379588
woman saying they are bi or gendermorph does not make them transgenders you retarded faggot, and we all know they are watering down the numbers there since girls trying to feel extra special and cool to have another flag in their bio are neither trans, nor the ones doing the raping. Its faggots like you who are the problem.

Also neither does a man saying he's a woman making him one btw, but you're fucking incapable of saying something true at all.

>>30378300
Just look at their flooding of negro fetish threads, you'll find it.

Dubs and I inject estrogen

>>30378300
Disguise? Lmao what? You must be new here.

>>30378950
I bet you'd make a cute girl.

>>30379756
unrelated faggot here, but I must say, you are far more likely to meet and be raped by a normal man than a trans woman, I don't wanna deflect blame here but statistically it's true. Even then, you get into the grey area of reported vs unreported rape, where rape by women (or by men towards men) is often never reported either, skewing numbers. Irregardless, you can be angry at others in the world as much as you want, but you wont win nigger, people have always been gay, and trans honestly, despite what revisionist history reddit fish may say, although, I do think my fellow trannies are taking the "real woman" thing too far, I'm happy to just exist, don't need the world to bend for me.

>>30380139
I'm 6'4" 240lbs with an asshole so hairy it breaks electric clippers.
Even if I was a /fit/ freak, & naired my whole body. I'm a fucking triangle, not a pear.

>>30378300
Stop projecting your weird kinks onto trans girls

>>30378300
From what I've read, it could be 30-50% of them are AGP. The straight trans girls (ones that only like men) seem to not be into AGP though. They're more like chicks that were born as gay men.

>>30379622
It's Jade Venus TransTaken shoot

>>30379000
Lianna always looks so good taking black dick

>>30378300
I don't know what the fuck that means, but yes.
Anything you can think of, they are.

>>30378300
they make up such a small percentage of the population yet every one i've known has done some sort of sex work or online sexual/lewd content. that coupled with the fact that there are literally tens of thousands of these onlyfans accounts.

>>30378950
Egg

You're at the stage before trans

>>30379436
>wall of text
>it is literally a paragraph and a half
do you have autism

>>30379382
idk man let’s do a super surface level, very not scientific study with a small sample size to examine this claim

We’re going to be looking at the last two presidents, Biden on the left, Trump on the right.
Both of these presidents have been accused of raping kids, both have had anecdotal evidence and rumors emerge to confirm these accusations.

Only one has had real survivors emerge with accusations, only one has been convicted of covering up sexual crimes, only one has had mountains of clerical evidence released into the public proving the breadth of their pedophilia. It wasn’t the one on the left.

It’s actually to the point where when you make arguments like this, people start to wonder; are you only accusing your political enemies of being pedophiles so that we don’t look closer at you and start finding out what kind of shit you’re actually into/up to? Are you only pointing the finger at trans women so we’re too distracted to see that you, personally, are the real child predator among us?

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>>30378800
I think the disguise is the idea its some kind of social progressive issue where these are in actual fact women who are born in men's bodies which is in actual fact is satanism because its claiming that god is wrong and men's science fan fix god.

I think the reality goes deeper into Jungian psychology where id say the MtF trannies are possessed by the anima and its really more like society being tricked into accepting a mental delusion that seems real due to ignorance

There is also the additional factor of manufacturing chemicals and fire retardants and all sorts of stuff that act as synthetic estrogens and endocrine disruptors messing with mental development and in this case transexualism and homosexuality is being promoted as normal because its alot easier than paying liability lawsuits from companies admitting that their products made peoples' kids gay or trannies.

Essentially all this crap is being promoted by wealthy industrialists because they are immoral degenerates themselves who think its funny that they can profit off your suffering and then fuck your tranny kid as well when hes young and good looking, and I think there in lies the biggest problem with homos and trannies is that sexuality is what humans develop in order to produce children and I feel like this idea in society of sexual pleasure above all and products that promote youthfulness, plastic surgery and all that crap is like missing the point of life entirely and treating sexuality like a pleasurable activity only is like removing the cake and only eating the icing. The icing is nice but it will make you sick eventually.

When you are young and pretty and passable everything is nice when people want you but what happens when you get older psychologically you might not want sex as much or realize something is missing in your life not having children and on top of that you have screwed up your psycho-sexual development by introducing cross sex hormones into the body.

>>30379026
you think it should be illegal for a lesbian to go into a womans changing rooms?

>>30378300
>just

there is no just, anon. you are making a foolish mistake, trannies, on their own, are just not a thing. there's no natural process that makes people trans.

it's a pipeline. you get snagged into it, and whatever ideas you had before get brainwashed into their mentality. literally just cult 101.

are trannies autogynephiliacs? some of them, probably. are they mentally in? some of them, probably! are they just gays? guess the answer. these people are getting swept up in tranny bullshit because they're guilible and easily influenced.

what's that anon? you like women's fashion? clearly you are a repressed girl actually, now cut off that dick.
>this is what trannies actually believe

>>30380907
>mentally in
*mentally ill

>>30380275
Still gay tho.

>>30378694
Wrong.

>>30378300
Yes, but how do people explain women who trans out?

>>30380907
of course there's nothing natural about it
genders are suites of performed social behaviors, and only exist within the context of social class

there's no natural process that makes a person wealthy either, but plenty of people who are not seek class mobility and aspire to transition social classes

is it mental illness for a pauper to seek new financial opportunities?
should we all just accept the social classes we're born into and never question it?

who's the real sheep here?

>>30380197
I'm not as tall as you, but I know a lot of women who are.

in terms of body shape, I was 5'9, 200lbs, built like a bodybuilder, extremely thick body hair, very strong and able to lift very large objects

transitioned at 21, and by 23 I was hot enough that men were fauning over me

I wanna point out that I AM NOT encouraging you to transition. A lot of people won't ever be able to get past their body dysmorphia if they don't start before 25, and bad results can actually make you feel worse

it's just some food for thought

>>30380197
Hit the gym and become a gym bro, you have a good frame for it

>>30381034
what a fucking waste, you could have become a mass monster instead you trooned out

>>30381045
It's incredible that I could have walked either path and the result would have been the same: insecure people are jealous of my body.

feelsgoodman

>fanfic blogposts all thread
>no vids
Kill yourselves

>>30378694
>tries to force pronouns so everyone, even people that dont want to, have to play along with their sexual fantasy
>harass women in the bathroom and changing rooms
>demand to be put in womens shelters and womens prisons
>demands to get their surgeries paid for by others
>ruins every online place by pushing tranny shit like forcing people to say trans lives matter
If it just was a guy gooning his brains out in his basement wearing a miniskirt, then I would be fine with it. But no, they just had to ruin every forum and website. They just had to push for political change to try and force everyone to fuel their fetish. They just had to force me to pretend a 6 foot brickhon in a dress is a woman. If only they did what they said they would do, trying to just live their life.

>>30381066
>chek'd

Remember to read the OP, Anon.
This thread asks a question and people are discussing it.

I went ahead and read the OPs of some other threads for you. These are the threads you're looking for.

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>>30378682
Bullshit, they're just severely mentally ill

>>30378950
When asked the question "what's would you do if you woke up as a girl", every other boy I knew (basically from the age of 10+) would say masturbate. Those that would refuse/struggle to answer the question were also the boys that didn't openly talk about masturbation, thus revealing what they would do.
Every boy has a degree of autogynephilia, and I presume the same is true for girls and autoandrophilia. This is what makes it quite perverse when you have adults telling kids they can change gender, because they are feeding into this fetish whether or not they realise it.

>>30378300
So yeah, majority are autogynephiles based on the prevalence of this sort of drive in boys. I would also hazard a guess that trannies beat off to their own porn.

Next most common would like be homosexuals with a fetish for fucking straight guys.

Then there would be the abuse victims, or rather the asexual abuse victims. I would imagine that a lot of the former two categories also contain some abuse victims.

Most rare are the intersex people who genuinely need hormone therapy. Whether or not they fall into the category of tranny would depend on the type of intersex.

>>30381056
I am not jealous at a mutilated troon freak and I am taller than you. Reap what you sow, as you age you will regret it.

>>30381109
>Every boy has a degree of autogynephilia, and I presume the same is true for girls and autoandrophilia.
No they do not, lay off the porn for a while.

>>30381101
So true.

>>30381139
>laments the squandered opportunities of others
>copes twice in a single post
>can't even deny being insecure

Sure bud okay.
Never specified my age or how long I'd been at it. Truth is I'm already old and have lived a full life, white picket fence, career opportunities, and the gratification of being universally recognized as a woman by every person I encounter.

Almost nobody regrets this.
Cope harder.

>>30379223
You use pronouns every day, there's literally no difference lol transphobe mental illness make no sense

>>30380835
>women who are born in men's bodies
I'm open to the possibility that at least one form of trannyism is the result of an unidentified intersex condition. I'd be very curious to see this studied to find out if there actually is such a thing. If we could identify it then we could validate the ones that actually have it and tell the rest to fuck off.

>>30381174
>Almost nobody regrets this.
Lies.

>>30378300
gender dysphoria is a thing but no one in their faggy little community attempts to make the distinction between someone with gender dysphoria and some gross freak named lilith who gets hard from wearing thigh high socks and dressing like a prostitute.

>>30381340
It's simple, it's a sign of a moral and motivation decline within their enviroment.
What's the point of being a guy if guys are not really guys anymore? Most women deny these type of guys, most men don't want to associate with them, raised by the porn of the internet at a young age, and then you have the clearly unchecked citizens who have severe mental illness and a political entity that wants basically globalism, neo feminism which is the real blame of this shit and everyone has to be "diverse" and "accept everyone else's way of life but your own".
These were never going to be soldiers, hunters, builders, or anything that requires guts and knowledge in.

>>30378533
is it worth indulging in the sissy fetish? I'm scared of being 50 and fomo

>>30378300
Why this board full of blackedjeet?

>>30379756
None of those words would make Hydaelyn smile
t. GAM

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>>30380496
Considering I've been at this "stage" for about a decade, I think it's safe to say I'm not going to lose my mind and blow my life up by trooning out now.

>>30378652
anisa and idubz jumpscare

>>30381148
Sorry, forgot to include you in the estimate: Every non-homosexual boy and girl.

It's a manifestation of curiosity over the other gender.

>>30381078
well said

>>30378303
I'd put a baby in her

>>30381078
none of these things actually happen and are figments of your wild imagination

>>30378300
The majority of modern trannies are trend-hopping, misogynistic, goon-addicted turbo-narcissists, so yes. Only a tiny percentage of the gay community has ever had legit gender dysphoria.

>>30378300
I'd bet the vast majority are agp. The "real" ones are suffering from mental illness and need help

>>30379375
Name of this girl?

>>30381109
Even if that's true ("Every boy has a degree of autogynephilia"), there's definitely some guys, like myself, whose wires get crossed in a serious way somewhere in that. I can't consume porn without imagining myself as the woman/tranny.
I agree though, adults shouldn't be telling anyone they can change gender.

>>30383533
Stephen

>>30379034
>>30379176
nbnabunny or something

>>30378300
No, trans people have a mental problem that makes them feel wrong in their own body. autogynophilia is a fetish where men who identify as men get off on being treated like women. The problem is in some cases they can look the same. But they very are not.

>>30379000
>>30378533
>>30378389
>>30378365
AIDS

>>30378694
Sissies and traps are based, dudes that want you to say that they are literal true women, are not

>>30381196
having to engage in a gender strop test is exhausting. our brains correctly sex trannies 99.9% of the time irl and it takes conscious effort to beat our thoughts into submission and replace the automatically accessed sex-based pronoun with preferred pronouns. it takes mental energy that does not need apply to cis people 99% of the time. why should i have to expend that extra energy on a stranger i don’t give a fuck about?

>>30384009
>autogynophilia is a fetish where men who identify as men get off on being treated like women
This is not at it at all. First of all autogynephilia is not a fetish.

What you're describing used to be called transvestite or simply a crossdresser. Those are the men who dress up and go get fucked in some shady motel room and then return to their daily lives as men. That's not autogynephilia.

>>30379375
steven

>>30383188
Moment you would lose everything you value about ur own body you would feel like trans ppl do so you would finally connect the dots in ur retarded brain. Trend is to be bigoted scumbag, you see it in nowadays alot. End of the day ppl own body an life to live not anybody elses. Again first portion of this post.
>>30384009
>>30384134
>retards not comprehending that reppers behave in similar manner

Cringiest losers are you performative transphobes. Well all transphobes are mentally ill psychopaths and all they do is lie also lacking critical ability=braindead

>>30379444
female cant be mtf lol

>>30379588
so you're saying the vast majority grow out of it when their brain develops slightly more and they aren't so prone to the whims of their peers?

>>30381367
> never going to be soldiers, hunters, builders
you live with your parents and complain about woke videogames

>>30381034
lmao so many transwomen think straight men are into them. it's fucking hilarious.

>>30380197
So? I know girls with that build that pass fine. No reason you can't be happy if you want to be.

>>30381367
rightoid brain rot thinks men need to work to be men lol

you should try having some money

>>30384397
peak translogic

>>30383945
>majority are autogynephiles based on the prevalence of this sort of drive in boys. I would also hazard a guess that trannies

sometimes you read something that has just never crossed your mind before. i assure you, every boy does not have a degree of autogynephilia.

some guys aren't faggots, believe it or not

>>30384453
>I know girls with that build that pass fine
or that's what you tell yourself

>>30383043
again, just wrong, and you are projecting your faggotry onto the straight guys out there. can't tell if troll or retarded

>>30384453
>So? I know girls with that build that pass fine

No you don't

>>30381034
Poster guaranteed an its ma'am ogre.
>>30378950
>>30381109
Transgenderism isn't a single phenomenon. There are a bunch of physiological mechanisms going on that all get lumped into the same category. Generally, if they're hot, it's a naturally low test gay man who desires effemininity and attraction from straight men. If they're trollish in appearance, it's a mentally ill, probably high test, AGP fetishists that decided to take it too far for a number of other mental illness reasons. Both are more likely to be mentally ill, of course, but the 2nd is way less tolerable for society and my penis.

>>30378300
really gotta stop trying to be intellectual about shit they don't understand

>>30381731
Might as well while you're young

I love titty and peepee why does it have to be so complicated

>>30378300
people here keep trying to come up with some wacky ideas like how trannys are just perveted men or mentally ill people and while iam certain there are trannies like those, for most people its really not that complicated.

Its really just about being attractive and desired. There are some men that cope with the whole going to the gym, steriods, height sugery, plastic surgery and while that can make you less ugly and even "attractive" as a man you're still not desired or attractive at the same level that women are to people in general.

Male bodies are designed for utility and female bodies are designed for beauty thats just the plain truth of our society and troons understand that so they dont waste time trying to be more masculine cause at the end of the day people admire masculine attractiveness but they desire feminine attractiveness i would say its similar to the needs vs wants feeling people have.

Another angle i would also say is consider modern dating scene, pretty much its not possible for a average man to get a women now due to requirements and all that whatever. Theres alot of complaints now that women are adopting character traints and mindsets that men have and becoming the kind of men they want to have. So with men if they're attracted to women but cant get any women, then the next answer they have is to troon out and become a women theyd like to fuck.

Human society is based heavily on lookism and its easier to be a attractive women then a attractive man. women are also just considered more attractive then men in general, its why women can just make money showing their body online mean while men have to go pick up a shovel or prove their worth something and even then men are pretty much treated like tools in a toolbox only thought about when you need it but left in a box and forgotten when you dont cause people dont want to think about men they want to think about women.

>>30385351
>female bodies are designed for beauty
Why are there so many ugly women then?

>>30385389
probably dont have the resources or knowledge to make themselves attractive or just fucking lazy and dont care. i would say really only the most bottom of unattractive women are seen as the same as average and above average men

>>30378800

1- would you, a heterosexual biological man, dress as a woman, high heels, make up, hair style, legs shaved, etc, just so you could enter a women's bathroom?

2- would you go as far as start taking hormones to turn into a woman, hurting your body, changing your voice, growing your boobs, shrinking your balls, neutering your sperm, just so you could go to a women's bathroom where you can only see other women in full clothes, or sit next to one that is peeing amd shitting?

3- would you go to the point of faking suicidal thoughts caused by your fake gender dysphoria, just so a doctor believes you really are a trans, just so you can change your ID card to "female", just so that you can enter a ladies' bathroom?

4- would you go through the hard, long, and expensive process of preparing and then actually undertaking surgery to remove your penis, just so you could enter a female bathroom?

The answer to all of this is: of course not. Because you are a biological male.

Unfortunately for these people suffering the health condition of gender dysphoria, their head is not working right. Although they chromosomes defined them as one gender, their head identifies as the opposite gender.
This happens both with men and women.

In the "good old days", ignorance in the society and lack of scientific knowledge, would condemn these people to depression, anxiety, hopelessness, self-mutilation, and suicide.

Fortunately most of mankind has evolved past that.

Unfortunately there is a thing called USA, a brutal dictatorship where the single party (corrupt fascists at home, genocidal warmonger imperialist pigs abroad) needs to put in place a theater/circus to make the idiots/voters believe they have a "choice".
Thus the completely fake "Conservative vs Progressive" farce was put in place, pretending that Conservative is "Right wing" and Progressive is "Left wing".
This was how the fascist oligarchy controlled the animal farm.
In fact, both sides are VERY Right wing.

1/2

>>30385506

2/2

At first this farce worked well.
But as the 2 factions of the single party became more similar (fascism economics at home, forever wars and zionism abroad), the farce had to be put on steroids.

And here we are, with lunatic Ultra-Conservatives, ignorant folks filled with prejudice (like you), and completely insane neo-Christians (Fundamentalist Evangelicals to whom "israel" is "what the Bible says").

On the other side, there's also a similar level of lunacy with Ultra-Progressives that are part of the Woke movement, the AntiFa (CIA manufactured) rioters, and specifically this deranged FemiNazi (#MeToo that destroys men's life just with rumours) and also unhinged 2SLGBTQIA+ organizations (considered terrorist in Russia, and also criminalise in many other countries).

It's like the balance of forces in the mAtrix movies. Neo gets stronger, but so does The Agent.

USA is now a civil war in words and social media, with 2 factions in the respective trench, lunatic Conservatives versus lunatic Progressives.
And this toxic filth spreads to wherever this empire of pigs reaches.

Lonf story short, we went from a modern civilized world that was starting to know how to deal positively with people suffering with the mental illness of gender dysphoria, to a nowadays made-in-USA dystopia all over the Western world where lunatics forbid doctors of practicing medicine, forbid the use of the words 'mental illness', and call "normal" that what's NOT normal, and want to fill children with hormones and force everyone to use they/them pronouns when addressing a single person.

For this reason the other side reacted and now theres an orange pig in the White House making manking go back even further.

Retrocession instead of progression!

But the elite's/oligarchy's goals are all achieved: still no healthcare as a human right, debt because of expensive tuition, no paid sick leave, still forever wars = Military Industrial Complex profit, still zionism.

Fuck USatan!

>>30385510

I'm an European Left-Winger, specifically a Social-Democrat that likes the Nordic Model with Ghent System, as it was before the NeoLiberalisation.

What retards in USA call "communism"... because they can't distinguish between Soviet Union and Norway... actually they can't even correctly point at the map...

When I look at USA politics, I see 2 fascist factions of the same party.
Both factions love to have a poverty minimum wage, both hate workers rights, both like a system where during crisis some 90 year old man had to work at the McDonals because the bank lost his pension. Affordable healthcare and medicines? Hell no. What both factions like is the money that Big Pharma and Big Insurance puts in their pockets.
They trained you Ameritards to call it "lobbying". I know it is CORRUPTION.

And I don't identify as neither Conservative nor Progressive.

Example:
I am in favour of the women's right to abortion, but only if there's a serious health condition (ex: deficiency in the fetus, or something that endangers the mother's life).
I obviously want rape victims to be able to abort.
But I don't agree with the full liberalisation of abortion. It shouldn't be just another thing that you do if you're not "in the mood" to have a child, or if "it's an obstacle to my career", or "I changed my mind and didn't even told my husband".

Who in USA can have this well balanced position?
No one!

You have to chose either trench A (ultra conservarive/evangelica lunatics) or trench B (ultra progressive/woke lunatics).

Another example:
I understand the need to tolerate and understand and even help Trans people.
But I don't accept to call this "normal". When science was still science (and not yet weaponized in this trench fight), scientists correctly defined the gender dysphoria as a health condition, specifically a mental illness.
These people must receive treatment, first and foremost psychological, and only then chemical/hormonal.

There are only 2 genders.

>>30378682
there's far less to it
>>30378300
>Are trannies just autogynephiliacs in disguise?
yes. perverted retards

>>30385552

TL;DR?

My position is the same as the famous teddy bear quote:

"there are no women with penis. Only men with boobs!"

As long as the penis is there, it's not a woman, it's a man.

But if a dressed TRANS (whose crotch are I can NOT see) tells me to address her as HER, or him as HIM, I am educated and polite enough to address that person in a way that is comfortable for thay person.

Just don't tell me to say "they/them", because in that case I'll just tell "they" to go fuck "them" all.
Ahahahah

In this particular matter, I'm with J.K.Rowling.
I won't change the way I speak just to please lunatics.

But the real question is this: in countries where there are still serious political debates, wages are good, workers have rights, healthcare is a right, school and college are free, infrastructure is great, governments are afraid to go to war, and anti-zionism is mainstream or at least perfectly acceptable.

That doesn't happen in USA, nor in vassal regimes completely controlled by USA.
In those shitholes, your political debates are just circus of screaming lunatics, bumping their chests and ripping their clothes over how many genders there are, and while one side says that men with penis should be inside women's bathrooms, the other side wants to go back 1 century.
While this happens, bot sides quote the Torah and say: let's give the Pentagon (aka MIC's warlords/oligarchs) 1 trillion of your taxes, send your poor kids to die for "israel", and just commit genocide in occupied Palestine and bombard schools full of children in Iran, and destroy entire residential buildings in Lebanon, and apply more sanctions to starve and kill women and children in Venezuela and Cuba, and support that al-Qaeda's terrorist that NATO/Mossad put in charge of Syria, etc.

I hope one day these western idiots will open their eyes and realize that politics is not a place to debate sexuality.
That's personal and scientific.
If politicians debate that, then they are just fooling you!

>>30378300
would threesome with

>>30383945
There may be an additional category of boys socialised by only women, which include pornography. That is, sympathising (or empathising, I always forget which one is which. The one where you feel the emotion of someone else) with the woman giving an exaggerated display of pleasure and then correlating that with your own sexual pleasure.
I think I'd call this the autistic category. Ranking it with the rest it would go:
1 autogynephiles
2 spergs simping with porno
3 fags with a thing for straight guys
4 abused asexuals / gender dysphoric
5 intersex

Although the spergs may just be autogynephiles. There's probably too much crossover there to make them distinct. As I'm sticking to every guy having a degree of autogynephilia, probably trooning out is just what happens when the autistic boy with a degree of autogynephilia starts watching porno and sympathising with the woman on display. The exact same happens with autistic chicks and yaoi. They become autoandrophile pooners.
And maybe one could be dysphoric without being abused, but I'm thinking of genuinely dysphoric and not simply having no friends.

>>30384496
>>30384511
Autogynephilia is not homosexuality. It's being aroused by the idea of having female anatomy. The degree of just saying "I would touch myself if I magically woke up as a woman for one day", is obviously very minor, but I'd still call it autogynephilia.
There are trannies who only want to fuck women and don't want to cut their dicks off. A higher degree of autogynephilia is then wanting to be fucked by a man because that will make you feel even more like a woman

>There are a bunch of physiological mechanisms
I know, why you responding to me?
I don't know if it's that simple though. I mean, I don't think having low test innately makes a dude gay. There's guys who take steroids and suddenly want to suck tranny dicks. I think the several that I outline are the main motives. It's just a matter of which are distinct and which overlap.

>>30385506
>both sides are VERY Right wing.
I get that they are based, but are they wrong?

>there are no women with penis. Only men with boobs!
It's an unironically good point, as breasts are secondary sexual characteristics. The primary sexual characteristics are not so mutable, and a vagina is not merely an inverted penis. They have completely different origins.
It's one thing that bothers me, the lie that "everyone was originally female as a fetus". It's not true, it's just without a penis the fetus looks female, but they start out with nothing and if they are male they will be developing the male anatomy internally after 4-5 weeks.

As for pronouns, you should probably call them what they are. I have seen several trannies make the argument that being called "man" is like being called a slur, which is basically saying that being a man is base and men should be despised. They will be as negative to men as they are to women.

>That doesn't happen in USA
There is no morality within multiculturalism. A moral structure is tied to a culture, formed between people interacting. Thus the multicultural society adopts an amoral structure, for these groups do not merge and merely interact via transactions and reciprocal punishment.
It devolves into tribalism, democracy becoming an appeal to ethnicity rather than ideals.

It is something the white people have yet to realise, but it's the way many nations in Asia and Africa have been living for centuries. They either need to make their society culturally homogeneous (which is easier when it is ethnically homogeneous), or they need to adopt a moral framework better suited to dealing with different cultures rather than the universal, all men are equal under God or all men are blank slates that the Right and Left have, respectively.
It may be more savage, at least what I envision. So monoculturalism would be much better.

>>30378300
I certainly am.

It's the best life.

>>30379444
All of them or all of the ones you twitter / 4chan bubble has posted about though? Maybe look up some statistics.

>>30379557
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>>30385788
The difference is that cis men are a necessary evil. Trannies and niggers are not necessary for civilization to survive. The opposite, really. They destroy civilization.
Let me know when enough females are willing to become roofers, plumbers, etc, and then we can discuss cis men in the same breath as trannies and niggers.
Til then, you will accept a certain amount of cis men committing rape, because you enjoy running water and electricity and a roof over your head too much.

>>30384601
AGP doesn't relate to if they're hot or not, in fact I'd argue that the hot ones are more likely to be AGP because it would make sense for someone with AGP to make themselves into a sexy fuckdoll

>>30385389
>>30385405
sometimes a bad roll on genetics really fucks you up for looks

It's a large group of people. Of course some of them will be.

Lots of trannies are female-minded, and these are actual trannies.

But there are also men who want to have a female body but are still mentally male.

There's a bunch of different types of people in every large group.

>>30385582
USA is utterly insane but it's not like European countries are entirely sane either

our politics circus is a bit less entertaining but it's still a circus and the real decisions are made behind closed doors and often deliberately hid from the public

>>30385705
>or they need to adopt a moral framework better suited to dealing with different cultures
I agree but I'm not sure what that would be

more whites need to accept that non-whites cannot be held to the same ideals because it only leads to disappointment and our societies need to adapt with harsher punishments upon those who try to destroy the peace for example by castrating rapists and spreading the knowledge that is what will happen if a shitskin rapes a white

>>30383174
>that never happens
except "the thing that never happens" keeps happening.
>tries to force pronouns so everyone, even people that dont want to, have to play along with their sexual fantasy
In canada they wanted to make it illegal to misgender trannies.
>harass women in the bathroom and changing rooms
Just go to any tranny sub and look for bathroom pictures, trannies love to take pictures in bathrooms.
>demand to be put in womens shelters and womens prisons
trannies often "find out" theyre a woman when they're sent to prison. Look up transgender+scotland+prison and you'll find out. Or in the netherlands where a tranny beat up a guard in the women's prison, shattering her eye socket. Trannies love to invade women's shelters, there is a reason JK rowling funds her own women's shelters 100% on her own, its whats needed to prevent trannies from starting lawsuits
>demands to get their surgeries paid for by others
Are you really trying to deny trannies want their insurance to pay for the cockchop?
>ruins every online place by pushing tranny shit like forcing people to say trans lives matter
Same with ruining online spaces, the subreddit twoxchromosomes has not a single female (XX chromosomal) moderator. Or just the other day the falloutmemes subreddit has been brigaded and ruined by trannies.

Funny how "none of these things actually happen and are figments of your wild imagination" keep happening and are not figments of imagination.

I could drop some links to news articles, but you're already ruining your own axe wound enough with your dilators. Trannies are just a fetish for degenerates that are either into twinks or want some non-hairy dude fucking the woman. Nobody will ever love them or believe they're actual women.

>>30385506
>>30385510
>>30385552
>>30385582
>>30385705
For fuck sake, why so many words when the entirety of "gender" was created by John Money, an insane pedo freak who tortured and abused 2 little kids for so many years they both ended up killing themselves? You are either a male or a female, period. Being defective in some way does not change that. Your thoughts or desires do not change that. Groomers on r*ddit trying to convince you you're an "egg" do not change that. The ENTIRE basis for anyone disagreeing with self-evident reality is blatantly bullshitting about the results of a sadistic pedo abusing 2 children so much they both kill themselves. The only fucking experiment you have pushed the 2 poor bastards to suicide, and then you pretend it's somehow proof that for their mental health we need to do what literally led them to kill themselves.

>>30378694
They are spreading their brain poison and trying to force people not involved with their psychosis to play along (via the power of the state in many cases). So, while I really don't care that someone is a pervert in private, or even if they do porn, but when they start trying to convert children and tell innocent people around them what they can and cant say, that all leaps across the line.

>>30385506
>>30385618
>>30385840
>>30386483


all you guys going on about all this shit, its really not that complicated.
see >>30385351

>>30386167

Seriously man, go outside. Get off twitter, get off 4chan. I'm going to assume you're still a teenager because well adjusted adults don't view the world like this. I promise you trans people just want to live their life and the fact that your wordlview and so many others has been cooked by the people astoturfing /pol/, reddit, twitter, etc is so pathetic. Use your fucking brain and quit being such a reactionary pussy

>>30379176
ts natalia 64
TS natalia64
you can find her on erome

>>30378300
Technically, no. That theory was debunked in germany in 2020. It was revisited and didn't hold up to scrutiny. "AGP" is only forced by bad faith acting pseudo intellectuals trying to smear them.

>>30386787
Debunked on what basis? Do you have a link to the paper?

>>30378300
ive dated like 6 tgirls and fucked maybe a dozen more?

only one would fall into that category and she also had a crazy coke problem so probably the least of her issues

>>30379382
This.

>>30386824
Being a faggot is your issue man.

>>30386677
concession accepted. Have fun with your real sex being printed on your ID.

>>30386856
I'm not trans. It's just telling when you cite something like "ruins every online place by pushing tranny shit like forcing people to say trans lives matter" as an actual problem. Like i said, get off the internet and go talk to people in the real world. If you and every other chud actually learned basic socialization skills and talked to a trans person IRL, you will realize how warped your worldview is

>>30379414
>leftist in charge of understanding per capita
let's also ignore that nogs have their mass shootings labeled as "gang violence"

>>30386906
You got his ass dude. All this stuff about trannies being obnoxious faggots is made up, none of it could be based on widespread experience with them. It makes no sense that people who demand that everyone repeat their lies and play along with their deranged larp tend to be narcissistic assholes.

>>30387450
"widespread experience" with people that make up <1% of the population? Like are you actively seeking them out? Dont ya think the fact you're in a 4chan trap thread posting might indicate you have a warped perception of trans people?

>>30384397
Please finish your language arts homework before trying to post.

>>30386108
>I agree but I'm not sure what that would be
I don't think it needs to be full blown tribalism, like Jews or Muslims, but anything is better than "foreigners can do no wrong". Preserving other cultures will have them replace or displace your own. It's not just an issue of immigrants, but also of political divides and of insular sub-cultures.

People can be held to the same ideals, but I think when someone breaches those ideals it's fair to punish them based on that. 'Eye for an eye', but it should also be applied preemptively. It's fair to kill someone attempting to kill you, but it's also fair to kill someone saying you should be killed. Such as with people calling for death due to speech that isn't inciting harm. It cannot be immoral to apply the beliefs of someone back onto them. It may go against a larger moral structure, but two people can have a morality. If I accept someone's belief that one can be killed for speech, then why not the one saying that? People should accept their enemies as their enemy.

When dealing with those of a different moral structure, it broadens the options. There is not a cultural moral structure without the foundation of it. Such as when Muslims commit terror attacks and other Muslims have no issue. The normalisation of these behaviors among their culture is not working to prevent it. As such, punishing them collectively becomes a necessity to prevent immorality. It doesn't need to be to the same degree, but it should not be nothing. The same with things like public prayer. Treat the Muslim as they would treat others doing the same.

There is still room for mercy, but reward not cowards. People who are stopped by fear of consequence do not deserve the same mercy as those who are stopped by not wanting to commit wrong. Killing is still bad, but in the micro-morality between two people it becomes like a contract. Consent through reciprocation. As we are animals capable of thought, we shouldn't merely be judged on our actions.

>>30386483
John Money did not create 'gender'. He defined 'gender role' based on genders. The meaning of a gender role -identity, behavior, style- is now just what Leftists mean when they say 'gender'. It's why they call it a social construct.

>>30378300
Yes they are

>>30378300
Scientifically, a "shemale" seems to result from a fetus's brain being exposed to too much estrogen during the period when gendering of the brain happens, despite having XY genes.
For a similar phenomenon, see "Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome", where an XY fetus can't process testosterone so one becomes a woman with testes inside of her where ovaries should be, but is otherwise indistinguishable from a woman

>>30386483
This isn't what happened. A baby's dick was cut off by accident during circumcision, and Money told the parents the child would become a girl if you just gave it the right hormones and raised it like a girl. This did't happen: the dickless kid grew up and the entire time was like "I can just tell inside that I'm a fucking dude" even though nobody told him that, and he ended up killing himself. Some people use this as part of the evidence that being cisgender or transgender is determined in the womb, and "real" trannies can't be created artificially after birth. I personally wonder if he was just like "the fuck where's my vag"

>>30381109
I remember that question in school. No one said "masturbate" but that's probably because that's what guys already do when they wake up first thing in the morning

>>30378834
>And nobody is transitioning just to see some tits in the locker room.
100% there are freaks deranged enough to do this

>>30378800
We have a winner!

King of the retards, y'all! King of the motherfucking retards!

>>30379341
I want to fuck someones son

>>30379411
Calling you retarded because you are a fucking retard

>>30388881
>For a similar phenomenon, see "Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome", where an XY fetus can't process
There are trans men with cais so thats not true at all

>>30384073
femboys and traps are based, male and want to be pretty

trannies are cringe because transgender ideology is a completely corrupting bastardization of identity stemming from gynocentric worship. sissies would probably promote fucked ideas that are similarly problematic to propegate

the actual promotion of trans ideology supresses the aspects of beauty projected on and niceties made available to women from being shared by men.
it might seem like they still would reinforce the binary gender perception of others, but that is not required. there are behavioral aspects of human existence that are not inherently biologically seperate but are socially reserved for women. femboys are based because they one of the few things standing up to the pressures of sexual dynamics.

>>30380869
>>30379026

Alright, you've activated my .. well I don't know what to call it. Prepare for a rant.
A. I think trannies are mentally fucking ill. Let's get out of the way.
B. I jerk off to trannies. They're hot as hell.
C. I would not barge into, sneak into, peep into or otherwise disguise myself to enter their changing room to get off.
It's a violation of privacy, it's a form of assault, it's completely unnecessary when there are plenty of videos on the internet of naked trannies. It's not an interest in their bodies, anymore, it's an interest in violating privacy, expressly, as the fetish. Don't even try to combat that.
D. Are trannies trannies to enter changing rooms? Un-fucking-likely. Most trannies just be ill and think they're women. Fucking stupid to think it's any more complicated than that. Occam's razor and all that shit.
E. Lesbians aren't entering the female changing room for the express PURPOSE of peeping. They're going into to change.
Intent matter, if a gay man went to a changing room and was caught gawking at everyone he would be kicked out of the establishment, law or not, he would be ostracized by the community from a level of authority. Full stop. Law doesn't even matter anymore on the subject.

You two are arguing with totally different mindsets and hitting the wrong points. Stop trying to make the world your worldview. (Yeah, I know I'm guilty of that too. We all are, but fuck, you guys are megatarded)
Seriously. Please, take the time to actually analyze your thoughts and feelings before dumping them on an anonymous board like they're holy gospel.

>>30378300
Is OP just making an excuse to post another tranny thread?
Are trannies trannies?
Is mayonnaise an instrument?
Samethread is samethread.

do you think I'd pass? Sometimes i want to troon out but I'm afraid of not liking the results
Pros:
>Small delicate feet and hands
>thick thighs for a man at least
>youthful not overly manly face
>have slight gyno
Cons:
>very wide shoulders
>hairy as fuck
>ugly stretch marks from when i was fat

>>30381078
>>30386167
I guarantee you are a ~15yo low IQ Nigger who believes everything they read on the internet. All of that shit is just embarrassing to read how gullible you kids have gotten.

>>30387450
>>30387450
yeah bro you really nailed him with that sarcasm. jokes aside, the other anon ist absolutely right. you're letting the internet convince you that a tiny fraction of people has some massive impact on your lives. bet you anything, if you spout those 4chan approved takes in real life, you would likely encounter confusion rather than agreement. learn what subjective perception is. this place is crawling with naive, underage, internet addicts who don't realize how easily they are manipulated by memes and echo chambers. and this isn’t just about this specifc topic. you should always ask yourself when you read some emotionally charged internet drama, how often have you or anyone you know actually experienced that issue in real life before you treat it like a real problem? everything spread online needs to be questioned first. that’s something people are forgetting more and more these days

>>30378300
every tranny is some sort of sexual pervert. it's intrinsic in the beliefsystem

>>30388881
>Scientifically, a "shemale" seems to result from a fetus's brain being exposed to too much estrogen during the period when gendering of the brain happens, despite having XY genes.
>seems
Is there actual scientific studies that back this up or is it just a theory?

>>30378300
>in disguise
hahaha how tf is it disguised its a fucking neon sign in the middle of butt fuck ugly ville hahahahahahahaha

I had a lot of laughs reading this thread. I don't think you can generalize the reasons why men or women become transformers. From birth on, I was always attracted and good at the girly things but sucked at boy things. I grew up a girlish boy and I fell in love with my best friend (and supressed it for years) even before I knew sex changes we're a thing or before I saw my first porn vid. I grew up very confused until the one night it all came together and my path forward became clear. It was a long and arduous one to travel but I'm happy I took it.

In the end, I don't consider myself a woman and anyone wearing the same pumps shouldn't be aspiring to be one. Something adjacent to women for sure but there are still important biological differences which can not be denied. I'm treated as a woman in the outside world by strangers and known people alike due to extensive treatment but I still don't fully perceive myself as one. I still let it happen and I behave like one, it makes sense for most people. In reality I'm something in between, whatever. I don't worry about definitions or labels, it is what it is. My husband sees me as his wife and that's all that matters when it comes to identity for me.

I actively despise anyone part of the transcult autistically screeching for rights we already have plenty of and are trying to invade female spaces. I'm part of a few spaces like that in my life but through invitation by friends. I'm happy that I am but if I would see any signs of discomfort I'd leave with full understanding and no resentment. I don't think we belong competing in female sports or pretend we can birth babies. That's just ridiculous. I've never had any issues in public restrooms but I generally try to avoid using them.

It's also very noticeable that the creepy batshit insane ones don't even make an attempt at passing. Just an observation.

>>30378694
You can have fetishes and sexualities and do consensual things with other people who share those interests, but it becomes a problem when your sexuality violates other people's rights.

I don't care about trans people who ask their partner to call them a girl or who after they turned 18 got surgery and hormones to make them more femenine. I do care about trans people who demand strangers act along with their sexual fantasy, who needs to make women uncomfortable to themselves feel comfortable, and who convinces children to do life altering things to their bodies before they are old enough to consent and have a reasonable understanding of what they are getting into.

I don't approve of transgender people needing to be in female bathrooms for pretty much the same reason I don't approve of male flashers whose fantasy it is to expose themselves to random women to go into female bathrooms, your fetish is not a right when it violates the rights of others.

>>30391626
> I do care about trans people who demand strangers act along with their sexual fantasy, who needs to make women uncomfortable to themselves feel comfortable, and who convinces children to do life altering things to their bodies before they are old enough to consent and have a reasonable understanding of what they are getting into.

Good news gamer, you imagined all of this. or i guess more accurately the dumbass podcasters and idiot 4channers you listen to imagined it, and now you believe it because you're too stupid to think for yourself. but good news, it's not real! you can be free of worrying about it forever

>>30391313
they will not accept you for posting like this. they want you to die just as much as any other trans person. sorry

>>30391696
I do not seek any further acceptance than I already have. I'm aware certain people want to hang me no matter what I do. I just scrolled by looking for an inspirational lingerie thread, couldn't help but read and voice my lived in opinion. Just because someone is trans, doesn't mean we all operate on the same belief system or support the trans movement as a whole. Nobody sane does, that's really all I wanted to point out.

>>30383174
>none of these things actually happen and are figments of your imagination
--
>Aggressive cancel-culture never happened last decade, figment of your imagination.
>Nobody's lives or careers got ruined! Fake news!
>Your videogames are all excellent what are you talking about? Developers hating their customers is normal for a creative industry!
>The corporations you work for totally aren't discriminating against you in favor of certain skin colors, nationalities, or genders!
>It's protected free speech to propagandize to children and convince them to make adult decisions before they're in kindergarten!
We got the super-social-scientist up here today telling everyone that the things that have been happening for 15 years to regular people didn't happen. How convenient!

People like you are worse for the transgender demographic than the homophobes, because at least a homophobe is honest with their hatred. You, on the other hand, lie, cheat, misrepresent, omit fact, and deny reality outright. Hang yourself.

>>30378682
Not much more. Some are just stupid and don’t understand basic biology. With the way schools are these days, it’s not surprising.

>>30391878
>Aggressive cancel-culture never happened last decade, figment of your imagination.
>Nobody's lives or careers got ruined! Fake news!

If you actually think being transphobic is getting you cancelled in 2026...The ones actually being cancelled and removed from the public sphere are trans people.

Again, citing shit like video games and forum police as a legitimate grievance...its so pathetic and juvenile.

I get very turned on by roleplaying as a woman, im bi. I am 100% ok with being a male and it is really just a deep kink ive had since puberty. I am married to a woman. As long as nobody gets hurt (AIDS, creeps in ladies room) im okay with the fags.

>>30387911
I was browsing /gif/ for regular porn and saw the topic. Saw it again now and remembered my post. Obviously my perception is spot on based on this thread. Yes it's widespread, because despite being such a small population, everyone who's encountered them realized they're obnoxious faggots at best, and groomer predators or school shooters at worst.

>>30390932
>these deranged freaks are only a small fraction of the population so they're not deranged freaks
Brilliant argument

I love it
You're so well adjusted and normal, you cannot help but ragebait eachother and flood the thread with insane blogposts full of r*ddit neologisms
You cannot just jerk off and fuck off somewhere, preferably to kill yourself, no. You gotta let everyone else know you're 69 layers deep in mental illness and deeper in the leftist cult than an elder mason who's been in gay orgies since he was 16.
But then again there's that other tranny thread about shitting on the "terfs" or whatever the fuck, woooh boy putting the MENTAL in mental illness.

>>30386906
>>30387450
>>30387911
>>30392332

Tranny delusion is a real thing and they do corrupt and rot everything they interact with.
>Source? Blatant reality itself.

So since few people actually care to know things and just argue let's say this. I am frequently around the >1% of the population that is trannies because I am a mental care specialist. I HAVE to interact and treat these people for my job.

The overwhelming majority that come in are literal pedophiles or degenerates that should've been executed or told to stop a long while ago but never have been. Some (ironically most) have criminal records and court ordered counseling that they come to my type of practice for to get mental treatment while the rest have to do this sort of stuff before being medically and psychologically cleared to transition with hormones (which a whole other fucking hydra of bullshit since it's literally just checking a box that they showed up, said some things coherently, and still feel like their fetish is their identity).

The simple truth is in reality
>This could be solved if they quite literally "manned the fuck up"
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>>30392492
>Here's how it is from start to finish
Early on they grow up in a deprivated environment that lacks something whether it be affection, validation, attention, etc that affects their psyche since they now pine and consistently seek out that sort of attention and affection. This either leads them to get groomed by someone taking advantage of that, become self aware of their mental state, or falling down the easy degenerate route of addiction (whether it be to a feeling, state, substance, etc). This all stems from impulse control and deep desires that is up to the person themself to regulate and keep themself in check, so in line with that they get addicted to something like porn for self gratification (which is why almost all trannies either self-insert, try to create, or groom/molest others into sexual acts) that messes more with their psyche, they imagine themselves to be loveable like a female in their warped brain because those get unconditional love more or less, and project a female identity upon themselves in attempts and hopes to receive female traits to feel affection, validation, or attention. It escalates from a fetish to reality-altering delusion because they wish to convince themselves and others by proxy that they are a female so they can benefit from their delusion, but in every instance (ironically) do not have the balls to fully commit to their larp as it requires things like neutering themselves which would hinder their ability to continue their degenerate behavior like gooning all the fucking time or grooming kids and attempting to interact with them sexually.

The simple and real fix that they WILL NOT DO is seek a sense of grounded non-delusional self awareness and attempt to improve themself via regulating their own thoughts and behavior to not seek out cheap or diluted sources of love or validation, which would then lead them back to their ever-depressing existence.
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>>30392492
And this is what stupid delusion sounds like kids. Stay in school, and try not to lie like this child.

>>30392512
I feel sorry that for whatever reason you cant accept factual reality.

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>>30388881
Those people tend not to look very feminine. It may depends on the specific type or degree of insensitivity and the baseline estrogen they have, but often it's the guys with micropenises. They don't masculinise as boys, because of the relatively low levels of testosterone, but then start to masculinise at puberty and sprout micro dicks.

>testes inside of her where ovaries should be
They are not adopting a feminine positioning. It's that testes and ovaries originate from the same place, i.e. the gonadal ridges which are part of the embryonic kidneys. By being insensitive to androgens, it also stops the testes from developing properly. They are intersex, not transgender.
A lot of the development into a female comes from the absence of various factors, which is rather obvious given that men and women both have an X while only men have a Y. This is why they begin to develop testes, but as they produce testosterone they do not respond to it. I'm not sure about the rest of their other development, but they may not even have vagina (i.e. just having a hole) let alone a uterus.
I'm just guessing, but feel free to correct me on that. I'm assuming this because it is specific ducts which become the male and female anatomy. The uterus and vagina come from the Mullerian duct which is what connects to the ovaries. They may still have a clitoris though, because that originates from the same structure as the penis. Whether or not it's a penis would depend on if it has a urethra or not.

I'm not sure if there's any data on their brains, but I don't think that changes what they are. Sure, they'll behave in a feminine way. Same with taking estrogens and androgen blockers, or a woman taking androgens acting like a man. HRT is what makes someone transgender (anatomical), but innate things like this is what makes someone intersex (biological). Acting like a woman as a man just makes you a faggot (social).

>>30378309
Source?

>>30389760
Anyone knows who she is?

Trannyism, AGP, and being gay are all caused by hormonal development of the brain in utero and just comes down to differences in brain structure

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>>30378300
no, but these days the numbers overwhelmingly favour autogynes. 10-15 years ago most of the trannies were attracted to men, either mostly or at least to a good extent. transition was something the crossdressers who realised they liked being made to feel like a girl by men did and basically noone else. when they got access to DIY HRT they got a lot better looking, but then we started getting straight leaning bi boys and then outright straight boys transitioning. now those of us who are actually into men are a minority in what used to be our own community.

theres also a whole separate psyop thing pushed by transbians and doomed male attracted trannies to basically be politically lesbian. the idea is that men (actual, not trannies) treat us badly near universally so we should just get with another tranny and rent a top as needed. obviously this is cope, and i pray that any affected wake up and nope tf out on such a doomed relationship.

t. watched it happen.

>>30392891
theres a lot of complexity to this desu. a lot of gay boys come out seemingly wired for femme behaviour, but not always in a way people want or like or reward that because 99% of parents are idiots and treat kids as basically grow your own dress up dolls. theres a common trend of gay boys who go on to be trannies not so much looking female, as they do undermasculinised. its not universal, but things like digit ratio, limited bone development, and proportions are all noticeable things in gay male transitioners pre-e. the gay boy without a browbone for instance is probably not likely to stay a gay boy forever.

to account for this you got all kinds of weird stuff going on with enzymes and DNA that go way beyond the AR. youve got enzyme mutations and methylations that reduce or accelerate degradation of ligands and receptors, youve got DNA that just does not respond properly, all in places that arent immediately obvious to look. certain estrogen metabolisation mutations can cause visible feminisation of males for instance.

I think a lot of them just enjoy how dick feels and realize they can fuck hotter men if they trooned out than if they stayed guys.

>>30393480
This is a good take. I hope we aren't an actual minority but it can certainly feel that way.

aren't women just autogynephiles or whatever, they love to look hot for both self satisfaction and to attract men???

>>30378309
How come the Brazilian trannies are either the best looking out of all of them or literal blow up doll plastic surgery monstrosities and nothing in between?

>>30391878
god i wish i was this fucking stupid. life seems so easy

who is the first one

>>30393506
I would believe there is some degree of reaction to nature when it comes to gene expression. They do report this with things like painkillers activating certain genes that would otherwise be dormant (or so I heard, never fact checked that). Probably they would never test this though. I imagine there could be some correlation with rates of gay/trans children and mothers who had used birth control vs women who had never (controlling for their culture, age, and environment, because one major factor could be the supposed taint of water supply as these things get pissed out).

But I do think claims that sexual abuse causes these things makes sense. There's obviously anecdotes, such as boys who get molested become confused and think it must mean they should like men, but I imagine there is also some triggering of hormones based on this. Much like how a beta male orangutan can completely change morphology in the absence of the alpha, or grasshoppers become locusts when they reach critical mass. In these cases, pheromones are suppressing one or causing the other, and there is some evidence to suggest that humans release pheromones.
It would be unethical, but I wonder what would happen if you exposed boys to sweat a man produced when having sex and the sweat a woman produced as they were developing to see if that causes differing sexuality. Maybe you would need to also include gay man sweat too (and obviously a control), and probably try to remove the odour causing elements since a kid may be able to tell who it's from. Probably you don't even let the kids know they are being experimented on, but that would be even more unethical (maybe call up the CIA?)
I'd bet there would be a difference.

Even so, I think it's still reasonable to treat your kid as straight until proven otherwise. Maybe even beyond then, I mean, what should you be doing different of your son's a faggot? Buying his Prep H?

>>30380496
The term egg is disgusting because it implies you know the person better than they know themselves. Stop.

>>30394403
ig kinda off topic, but yeah.

trans people when people misgender them:
ur transphobic if u dont accept this

trans people when they misgender people:
ur transphobic if u dont accept this

as a general rule of thumb, you only ever call someone an egg after they've hatched, any time before then is literally hypocritical misgendering.

just let people live their lives ffs, no different than the lgbt ppl who insist bisexuals arent real or in denial

>>30394403
>>30394461
It's gross because the implication is you'll be better if you become transgender. That it's necessary to be the 'real you'. What is actually means is they will completely ignore you otherwise, and this is just a form of manipulation known as love bombing.

You are not losing a friend if that person will only like you for being what they want you to be. This is no less toxic than the parent who would disown their kid for being gay.

It's much the same sort of manipulative / abusive framing as the claim that transgenderism is the only way to prevent suicide. You should not be telling that to anyone genuinely struggling with depression, and 99% of the population demonstrate there is a 3rd option.
Outside of people with genetic disorders, HRT does not cure depression. If it does solve a problem, it is likely bad lifestyle choices that are suppressing your endocrine system entirely and would be just as easily solved if you took non-crossgender hormones. The cure for depression is, again, just the attention they get from people who want them to be trans more than they want to them be. How often do they talk about suicides of people not identifying as transgender? How often do you see them supporting someone who expressed transgender ideation and then reneged? If they can't have you, you may as well be dead in their eyes.
Basically, it's as you would treat porn.

>>30394039
cockedupshawty

>>30378300
Mentally ill hedonistic faggots, yeah. They are an absolute waste of breath.

>>30394227
theres also, people did a fuckton of illicit drugs in the 90s. who knows what that affected. youre also kinda overstating the stability of the human reproductive system. genetic mutations accumulate. women tend to mask genetic damage/mutation better than males due to xx protective effect. thus you occasionally wind up with all female families having their entire family line taken out by literally all of their kids being gay.

>But I do think claims that sexual abuse causes these things makes sense. There's obviously anecdotes, such as boys who get molested become confused and think it must mean they should like men, but I imagine there is also some triggering of hormones based on this. Much like how a beta male orangutan can completely change morphology in the absence of the alpha, or grasshoppers become locusts when they reach critical mass. In these cases, pheromones are suppressing one or causing the other, and there is some evidence to suggest that humans release pheromones.
i think lack of experience has you looking at the causality backwards here. people are a lot less kind and caring to children than they like to pretend they are. if, as a kid, people detect difference in you, they immediately begin treating you worse than your peers. this happens with gay kids, and with autistic kids, and weird kids in general. parents get antsy about this, and start looking for ways to correct behaviour they dont think is conducive to fitting in. sometimes thats hitting the kid for doing something wrong, sometimes its chastising them for the way they speak, sometimes its touching them up. theyre not thinking about what theyre doing, theyre going off pure pattern matching and instinctive malice says that if the kid cant adapt then they deserve whatever harm happens to them either from themselves or others. a whole lot of the bad experiences gay kids have come about purely out of interactions with their instincts vs heterosexuals, and it starts very very young.

>>30378300
stop being a bitch and just jerk off like the rest of us

>>30394227
>>30395209
i wanna add onto this mechanism wise. if you wanna understand trannies, you need to understand that the entire coding of the male sex is scaffolded over the coding for the female sex. all research on human development echoes the understanding that the default human is female, all genes by default encode for female, only the presence of a y chromosome with its effective overriding and intensification of existing x chromosomal code generates maleness as we recognise it, but you have to recognise that this is genetic scaffolding, and if bits of it fail, then so do the processes of masculinisation itself to the extent that the processes themselves fail. this can happen due to drugs, due to genetic mutations, due to epigenetic reprogramming from drugs or maternal dysfunction, or possibly even physical injury. it is really, really easy to fuck this process up. we know amphetamine does it, because we see it in teens we treat with it during puberty, and amphetamine is a very common drug for women to abuse.

you might think bs on this, but research on autism backs this up. theres a hypothesis on autism thats kinda the polar opposite of extreme male brain theory where autistics are posited as intrinsically cognitively androgynous. theres enough data on this both facially and endocrinologically that for the last 10 years its really been taken seriously. a team of researchers went looking into it at the genetic/epigenetic level, and found something that both contradicted it and said interesting things in and of itself. in the pool of data including male and female test subjects, autistic males and females clustered mostly close to their allistic peers in terms of gene sex patterns, however researchers noticed significant deviation from common gene expression (expected) and also that while the females clustered close together, autistic males clustered slightly closer to the females than allistic males.

>>30394227
>>30395209
>>30395230
if you want to read something interesting on this, take a look at this post on autistic trannies from /lgbt/. its well cited, and even if you dont agree with it the research papers cited themselves are very interesting on the matter of autism, genetics, and gender. a lot of people say autistics are AGP, but data says theyre their own thing.
https://files.catbox.moe/d6muyh.png

further backing the idea of intrinsic androgyny in humans, while i cant post here due to off topic, theres a common graph on the matter of brain sex thats commonly posted by both trannies and people who say trannies dont exist that maps the general sex of peoples brains across the male and female spectrum. while people point out the fact that there are 0 males at the centre to the extreme end of female brain sex, there is about a 30% overlap between the most masculinised female brains and the least masculinised male brains. clearly then, there is some degree of cause for some of the males to identify with some of the females.

in my own experience, this kinda bears out. when i was a young gay kid it wasnt the case that i wandered over to the girls to socialise, or that i rejected the boys. each and every single time when i was in a new primary school the exact same thing would play out: id go over to the boys, who i recognise as my own gender. the boys would tell me to fuck off, and look at me like i didnt belong there. i would go off on my own. a small number of the more oddball/assertive girls would come over to me or sit next to me in class and immediately begin socialising with me. from thereon out either i would hang around with those specific girls, or those girls would drag me into activities with the other girls. this lasts until puberty at which point things get weird and i go hang out with the boys and slowly begin adapting to them. this is pretty much a universal experience among all but the most abused of non-AGP trannnies and femme gay twinks.

>>30379223
As soon as you were old enough to realize that you were straight i was old enough to realize i was trans. I don't want any kids who arent trans to be converted, i just want the 0.01% of kids who are trans to have access to information and maybe a child psychologist if their parents are accepting.

>>30390417
Faggot.

>>30395256
Jesus christ man, does your post include chapter markers??
I'm just a passerby but damn, I thought people came to these threads to jackoff, not submit a master's thesis.

>>30395575
anon, look at the OP text
this is practically an invitation for submission

>>30395590
I can agree with you on that front, I suppose.

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>>30395647
well ill pay the gooner tax i suppose

>>30378309
Who?

>>30395209
>looking at the causality backwards here
Those damned kids should stop trying to seduce pedophiles

>>30395256
>https://files.catbox.moe/d6muyh.png
I only skimmed this (It's 2am for me), and while I can tell it's definitely written by an autist, I think that's also the problem with it. The autistic brain is much like the schizophrenic brain. It's perfectly capable drawing connections between anything and of believing in concepts derived from superficial information. Then, with the tendency to try and categorise things, it tries to piece together these things and you get 50+ different genders on tumblr.

There are two things that I think are most important when it comes to the autistic person and how that correlates to transgenderism. One is what you already mentioned, the social ostracisation from the group you're forced into. The other is that the autistic hippocampus is larger in childhood but shrinks as they mature, which is opposite to how this typically operates as the hippocampus is where memory is formed/stored.
I'm sure these biological factors pointed out in that image are important too, by it is typical of the autistic bias to try and think only in terms of measurable and observable mechanisms rather than the everyday life and experience that they have.

The way the observation of the opposite gender operates reminds me a lot of people being unable to observe their own culture. You could much more easily explain girl behaviors, because you see only the surface and how it differs. Yet if you had to describe boy behaviors, you would struggle to know what they are because you are a boy and yet you are not 100% the same as any other boy. So are these behaviors boy behaviors or you behaviors? Is your brother 100% a boy? Your male friend? Knowing the group more intimately ends up making it harder to describe, because you are just a single human mind and thus the complexity of even another human mind becomes impossible to comprehend in its entirety.

>>30395256
>>30396189 cont.

Yet if you have minimal experience with women, as the typical heterosexual AGP, you can easily focus on a singular type of woman that becomes your obsession of thing to emulate. It seems rather common for the AGP to emulate the archetype of the woman he has a crush on. The rule set becomes narrowed. It's why autistic people like games and computer. Hell, I've even know autists who preferred being in prison over freedom. The same likely holds true for the next most common group I outlined (>>30385618)
> fags with a thing for straight guys
If there is a guy (or type of guy) you like, you only need to emulate the type of woman he likes. It's just one step removed from the AGP emulating the woman he himself likes. This could relate to your experience. By being among girls, you become socialised into that complexity of them as individuals and the men become the archetypes. Perhaps that could make a man gay if he weren't already. It is the case, when they observe gay brains, that the part of the brain associated with social bonding and behaviors is what's different - the hypothalamus. They probably don't even have to be autistic (remembering this all now, it may put a damper in my exposing boys to male sweat theory, but maybe not).

I was going through studies on this in the past, arguing on /d/, trying to see if there was a link between the autistic brain and the gay brain. which is where I discovered the hippocampus thing. There doesn't seem to be a correlation in brain structures, but I could see how a boy who doesn't fit in due to being a sperg would be taken in by girls and then have part of his brain feminised. I think the issue now is that autists are spending their time online instead, and so they don't get socialised at all so everything becomes a gender because all behavior is foreign. There is no known group of men or of women.

>>30395256
>>30396219 cont.

The other aspect, and what the point about the hippocampus being enlarged as a child and then diminishing, is it would make childhood much more significant to that autist. This would explain why they end up being so attached to the shows they watched as a kid and then struggle to enjoy newer/different things or adapt to new social situations, but also would likely make the bonds with their parents much more impact. As they will be harder to relate to for the parent of the same sex (who isn't autistic) they will end up bonding more with the other parent (and this tends to happen in all kids) which would lend itself to autistic kids developing a greater comprehension and possible reverence for the opposite sex adult. Along with possibly being an outcast from children of their gender, they would then learn have it deeply embedded that they are not meant to be this gender. Thus they start to believe they were born in the wrong body.

Then you have the autstic correlating of things in a schizophrenic way. All this superficial stuff ends up becoming foundational to their belief. Basically hallucinating the conclusion, and then running with it to reinforce that in themselves as the truth.
(Maybe I'm also doing that. I'm never quite sure, but perhaps that the uncertainty doesn't stall me is a sign I'm not)

>while people point out the fact that there are 0 males at the centre to the extreme...
You may literally be talking about me at this point, because as I said I went though studies on /d/ (in a NEET thread) where I had a back and forth with someone constantly insisting there was proof of innate transgenderism (which you may be implying with 'intrinsic androgyny'). I still stand by my view. I looked through them again recently when responding to a YouTube video from Professor Dave Explains (who is very bad faith and will call you dumb if you slightly misquote him and then ban you), and all the data still points against this.

>>30378300
The loud activist ones are.

>>30395256
>>30396277 cont.

The major issue I had with him is that, aside from what I consider to be a misinterpretation of the data, was he was constantly including the social arguments of 'gender being a social construct' alongside the data for studies. He would make assertions about gender being one thing which is not the definition of gender being one thing which is not the definition being used in these studies (I don't recall the exact framing he did, but I recall coming to this conclusion after looking through all the studies he showed).

Back to the point though. The study you may be referencing 'Brain Sex in Transgender Women Is Shifted towards Gender Identity' had 6 of the transwomen being gay (androphile the study calls them), which I assume to be the only few outliers that do not neatly fit in with the rest of the men. I'm also not entirely sure what they are testing, 'brain sex index', so I don't really know how significant this is. Issues I have is they often look at a small part of the brain, or I recall in one of the Professor Dave sources, they were normalising the results. i.e. ignoring the difference in brain size and just focusing on the ratios of relative size of certain structure (if I remember correctly. It's now 3am). They also didn't specify HRT status, so doesn't support his idea of gender being social and existing in the brain if they were on HRT. Of course the brain would be different when you take hormones, i.e. one of the components which build the brain in the first place.

That gets me back to what you said regarding
>intrinsic androgyny in humans
It's a gripe I have with the framing, and calling them 'transgender' brains in people who haven't taken HRT, or labelling it as being 'shifted towards gender identity'. It makes it seem like the person's will made them this way. That it somehow feminised itself, rather than developing into this state from nothing.

>>30395256
>>30396373 cont.

It's another point that Dave would make. Whilst claiming gender is a social aspect existing in peoples brain patterns, he would say that an infant brain sexually differentiates and forms its gender before being born. While this is obviously contradictory, it's also doesn't point to transgenderism as I stated. When the male brain forms, just because it is slightly closer to the feminine side than the average of males doesn't mean they are trying to develop towards being a female. Their trajectory was from nothing to where it is now, there was divergence. Maybe external factors are at play, but it feels like an argument couched in the idea that someone is "born in the wrong body". The body is what you are. Even if you die the moment you take your first breath, that was not the wrong body. Any other body would be a different person, not you.

The other issue with using gay brains to prove transgender brains is if taken seriously, it would result in conversion therapy. They used to use estrogen to chemically castrate men.
"Oh, look at what they did to Turing. Barbaric" (based, based, based)
It was estrogen they gave him, and now this shit is being done to children and we call it 'progress'. A little fucked up if you ask me, especially since he likely killed himself and we wonder, 'why is the suicide rate so high for transgenders?'

Gays are best left as men, if we cannot prevent them becoming gays. The problem with trying to make them into women is you now have them being made to appeal to straight men. That's immoral. What is moral is the alignment of wants. A man who wants a woman and a woman who wants a man are engaged in moral relationship. A man who wants a man with another man who wants a man, maybe not as moral as sex is meant for reproduction, is still more moral than a man who wants a woman being with a man who wants a man. That's on top of telling boys they can become woman.

>>30395256
>>30396437 cont.

The best a boy can become is a transwoman, and transwoman is a male gender.
This is something I've been schizo/sperg posting before. Gender is anatomical, downstream from the biological. There are male genders: boy, man, transwoman, male intersex (which doesn't have a proper name). So to become transgender one must alter their anatomy and in particular their hormones.

The thing that is moral is the thing that is done with intent and purpose, at the very least.

>>30395230
> default human is female
So I also disagree with this for the same reason that the fetus that develops into a slightly less masculine man is not attempting to become transgender.
While, as I pointed out, it is the absence of the Y chromosome and the things that typically come with it that create a female, even a single X (Turner syndrome) makes someone who appears pretty much the same as a woman, that doesn't make them part of what we are, as human beings manifest from the human animal.
The default state is nothing. Your default state is decaying in the ground. As you take action to sustain your existence, action within your body made it this way. Women feminise as men masculinise, they are not born with breasts and the means to reproduce. This is again what I consider an autistic conclusion derived from superficial observations, like the claim that all fetus are originally girl, which I posted this image (>>30392891) to demonstrate is not the case.

We can argue the point more. The hormonal side and all the stuff in that catbox image aren't things I have considered. So I could change my mind somewhat, but likely not entirely. While it of course will play a part (I mean, I changed my b multivitamin recently and it completely altered my mental state, probably the inositol), it's will be hard for me to be convinced as you need more than just how it relates to one group. I'd need to know about a lot of other groups as well.

Tldr, troons are mentally ill and shouldn't be encouraged. Standard treatment should be a bullet

>>30396189
would it make more sense to you if i simply said, that i have never recognised any of the common perceptions most people have about these things to exist? allistic people i think have a very poor understanding of autistic people. its not that were drawing patterns between things that dont exist, its that were reading things you refuse to recognise exist, including in yourselves. autistic people, gay or otherwise, are not listening to you as you talk to them. we pretend to. were not. what were actually reading is your unconscious behaviour. were looking at the things you think you arent saying, the things you do without realising or recognising, and the things you try not to let on to believing in. we often, including to each other, feel an entitlement to interface with and act on your unconscious, ignoring your ego as largely an irrelevant effect. we also do not have the same intuitions you do.

gender tends to simply be nonsense to us. you talk to us as if we are of you, but we do not feel any kinship with or relation to you. youre like hostile alien creatures to us that are unfortunately a majority, and you feel a need and entitlement to project yourselves onto us because you construct your entire psyche in a way that is dependant on what you are not.

>>30396219
this is what i mean in >>30396797

you utterly lack the capacity to understand that we are fundamentally alien to you. we do not think like you. we do not have your intuitions. we do not form the same mental structures you do voluntarily, and have a strong hostility to them that your kind interpret as a learning disability. we have our own set of intuitions, desires, beliefs, etc. its why we tend to exhibit what you might call schizo or BPD behaviours, in order to function we essentially have to operate two parallel consciousnesses so that we can live both as you and as us.

please understand that i am not you. i do not think like you. i never behaved like you. i was alien to the both of you, and it just so happened that one side made better friends than the other for a time.

>>30396277
this again is total projection. youre correct in that AGP seemingly does develop in straight boys from a sincere reverence for the maternal archetype, but assuming that it applies to me is pure projection.

i did not have a good relationship with my mother. the second she realised that i was not going to develop into a regular boy she started getting quite funny with me, eventually quite nasty with me, and then outright violent with me. i never liked her. my father on the other hand i adored, even when i barely saw him. i was very much a daddys boy, alienated or not. if anything my childhood relation to my mother and father was bordering on a comical pardody of an electra complex, not that id ever heard of such a thing when i was behaving that way.

my adult life has very little relation to my childhood. i made the conscious decision to leave it behind so that i could move on and live for joy rather than malice.

>>30396373
this doesnt bear any relation to what im talking about. im not interested in defending someone elses position that i likely dont hold.

>>30396437
this is entirely an attempt to gloss over with flat assertions and appeals what actual research says with certainty. i dont care about identity, gender, or categories. none of those things actually exist.

>>30396551
literally the entire crux of your position is "i dont feel that this is true because i dont like it and therefore dont want it to be". categories dont exist. DNA expression does. humans are nothing besides the expression of DNA, and all things they are they are after that fact, and only according to it.

>>30380172
check out this nigger who doesn’t understand per capita

>>30396797
>would it make more sense to you if i simply said, that i have never recognised any of the common perceptions most people have about these things to exist?
Yes. I'm pretty sure that's the problem with autism. I'm not saying that the autistic person is inventing patterns that don't exist, but they are are drawing greater emphasis from superficial patterns than from deeper ones.

You're also talking to me as if I'm not autistic. Maybe I'm not, but that's not a certainty as I never think like other 'allistic' people. I'm not really buying that autistic people have a greater understanding of themselves or even other autistic people. Just more familitairy.

>>30396884
>two parallel consciousnesses
You hint at the idea of masking, and it's not like a normal person don't 'mask' their behavious. It's just they are not compelled to express them. Although it's again why I'm not certain I am not autistic, as certainly as a kid I felt this sort of burden.

>do not feel any kinship with or relation to you
I can certaintly see myself saying the same sorts of things as a decade ago. Nothing you have said has confused me. I used to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe them, but as the more they explained the more holes I saw in what they said.
Maybe I've it's just that I've spent nigh on two decades arguing with people online, or maybe it's that we aren't acutally nerely as different as you wish to believe.

>>30396884
>undamentally alien to you
Nah. I think you just don't like that we are both men.

>i did not have a good relationship with my mother
That is not no relationship. I have witnessed my brother immittate the behavuiors he hated in our mother. Women hate their 'friends' also, and the distance from you father doesn't go against my speculation that you view men/boys as the outgroup that you draw archetypes of.

>my adult life has very little relation to my childhood
How certain are you that you're not your mother?

>>30397782
>but they are are drawing greater emphasis from superficial patterns than from deeper ones.
i dont think this is the case. plenty of the early people to deal with autistic people in psychoanalysis came to hint at the idea that autistic people are not shallow failures of normal development, but rather radical alterities borne of entirely different perception of reality. im inclined to agree.

>You hint at the idea of masking
no, not really. im not hinting at the idea of masking so much as the isolation of the mask to an entirely separate self. in my experience, people do not develop complex active cognitive architectures except by explicitly pursueing things like the occult and do so without thinking of things in these sorts of terms.

>Nah. I think you just don't like that we are both men.
i dont think you understand me in the slightest. you project yourself onto me, you think i have an issue with my own manhood. no. i have an issue with the idea that my manhood is distinct or exclusive to my womanhood. i thoroughly enjoy my manhood as it pleasures me, unlike i suspect you. if anything, my womanhood is something i resentfully embraced, once i was done making the necessary alterations to the pretender to it borne of language.

>and the distance from you father doesn't go against my speculation that you view men/boys as the outgroup that you draw archetypes of.
this was true once upon a time. i spent a very long time trying to close the distance between me and my father in ways i could understand. ultimately, i had to accept that the gap i could not bridge was not manhood per se, but heterosexuality. its for that reason that i cut my own throat in the act of transition, threw up the straight boy i consumed to do it, and came back different. i am all of my insides.

>How certain are you that you're not your mother?
pretty certain. psychically speaking, shes not really in one piece inside me anymore. i really, really do not like it when women try to touch me.

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>>30396915
>this doesnt bear any relation to what im talking about
Was that not the study you were thinking of? It's the one that immediately comes to mind based on what you said, as those sound like some of the arguments I've made in regards to that study.

As to whether or not you share a position with Dave, I can't be sure. You are making some claims that your mind cannot be known, because you are of a different social order. I could see this as being the manifestation of his argument regarding what gender is. It's not to even say it's his position, i.e. that he came to it himself. It's aligned with typical transgender ideology, it's just he frames it alongside science to try and make it sound legitimate. I have even seen people oppose this position yet still support it in the arguments they make, because they only reject the conclusion rather than the premise.

>this is entirely an attempt to gloss over
Someone's certainly glossing over something here, that's for sure

>crux of your position
Sure, the way I like to frame sex, gender, and gendle (gender role, which we didn't get into) may be, but that was an aside. Just because something is abstract doesn't mean it cannot be deliberated on.
You may say it is DNA that matters, but what is it the DNA is doing? It's building the body. You do not think through DNA. You think through the thing it built, i.e. your brain. Does the expression of DNA not result in 'categories' of forms? I acknowledge the unique nature of the individual, it's more or less my entire point, but you seem to somehow be missing that by being so reductionist. What we can identify as an individual person still exists regardless of the instructions which made them. Monozygotic twins and clones have the same DNA, but they are still two different beings. Their consciousness still manifests individually (though, it may be a sort of collective of smaller consciousness housed within the brain)

>>30397821
>im inclined to agree.
As am I
It's just quite ironic that you take the end result of something, the most superficial aspect, then try to extrapolate that into an argument as to why autistic people do not draw greater emphasis on superficial patterns. There is a bridge between DNA and manifest behaviors. While I'm sure you could correlate DNA to behavior, it is the structures which do this behavior. The sequence is nothing without the thing that runs it. While I'm not a fan of metaphor, it is very much like code running on a machine. You couldn't take you DNA and put it in a plant cell to grow a plant you.
At this level of understanding, it's just the concept of DNA. Superficial. Not to say you're at fault for not being able to understand it, but that you may as well be invoking God - an unknowable force which guides us.

>people do not develop complex active cognitive architectures
I think most people do, the whole 3 faces deal. It's just the autist finds going between them more of a chore, and I think this relates to what I point out with their hippocampus

>that my manhood is distinct or exclusive to my womanhood
We get it, bro, you have an anima
>i thoroughly enjoy my manhood
Now I cannot tell if you're talking about qualities of men and women or just your cock. I assume your cock, but then what is your womanhood? This must be qualities ascribed to the category of woman. Even if you simply mean sucking cock and getting your prostate bullied, those are behaviors shared with women as being rather than a physical manifestation of the woman as an animal.

As for me, I've written plenty of smut - futa, trap, straight, gay
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TOf0etFHe77KgY92Kf7lkgwlWpPlDvLavnNnG6EiYpk/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j323UyOXUYys3BMWPhnmFG79v2h8G93KnvbEEg9TZlo/
There's still the futa captions thread on /d/ that I wrote in. So I don't think there's an aspect of my psyche as it relates to 'enjoying my manhood' that I haven't considered

>>30397896
i dont even know who dave is

>Was that not the study you were thinking of?
yes, but im only referencing the graphic itself. ive never looked at the study and i have little interest in it except in so far as the data can be said to accurately describe brain sex.

>Does the expression of DNA not result in 'categories' of forms?
no, those are imagined.
>What we can identify as an individual person still exists regardless of the instructions which made them.
i completely disagree

>>30398037
>I think most people do, the whole 3 faces deal.
the difference is identity and relation to it. autistics do not handle identity the way allistics do.

>We get it, bro, you have an anima
no you dont. i had an anima, but not by choice. you do not understand the attitude i had towards it, or what i have done to it, because you have never been of the disposition that i have towards it.

>Now I cannot tell if you're talking about qualities of men and women or just your cock. I assume your cock
not quite
>but then what is your womanhood? This must be qualities ascribed to the category of woman.
the psychic faculties of womanhood, both in biology as much as i can modify myself to gain them, and in ego as much as i care to internalise them. womanhood is a manhood of its own, useful for certain tasks i now have to apply myself to.
>Even if you simply mean sucking cock and getting your prostate bullied, those are behaviors shared with women as being
i do not
>rather than a physical manifestation of the woman as an animal.
women have nothing to do with the female animal. the female animal is in itself indistinct and made distinct only by abstract rituals of pederastic psychic mutilation.

>There's still the futa captions thread on /d/ that I wrote in. So I don't think there's an aspect of my psyche as it relates to 'enjoying my manhood' that I haven't considered
for as much as you seem to understand you are an ego bound dipshit. vomit up your self and die.

>>30397821
>>30398037 cont.

I just don't always feel in the mood to enter the world of fantasy when I beat off

>heterosexuality
I don't think you bond to another man heterosexually. I think the whole point is no sexuality is involved, which makes it seem like your homosexuality was the barrier, i.e. an attraction to your father. Although perhaps I am not the best judge of this, having no friends myself. When I did have friends we never bonded over our heterosexuality. It was, in part, that I became attracted to some of them that created the divide.
So maybe I am projecting, and maybe I do not understand you at all. But I am reminded of something you said (>>30396797):
>its that were reading things you refuse to recognise exist
I mean, I do this all the time. Yet I don't know if that manifest behavior makes me autistic. Autism is physical, it has manifest differences in the brain that can be observed. Obviously there will be downstream results of that, but any other person could learn these patterns of behavior. That's why I don't think it's just the behaviors that are important. If you put an allist among autist, they would adopt autistic patterns of behavior as their norm.

Going back to the correlations between autism and transgenderism. I do wonder if HRT causes 'autism'. That is, as there is this reduction in the hippocampus, which likely results in a lot of quirks of autism since you cannot just have a sharp change in the brain and expect nothing, does HRT reduce the brain also? It is something I've said to mock trannies before, that because the male brain is overall larger, when they take HRT their brain will atrophy and they become retarded and blissfully ignorant. But maybe that's more true than I realise

>do not like it when women try to touch me
I can see it. Stiff and expressionless as a woman puts her hand on your arm. Your mind overcome with a sudden wave of dread, and the memories of your childhood. How women only are nice to manipulate you.
kek

>>30398127
>I don't think you bond to another man heterosexually.
you do not observe it because you take it as a given. its invisible to you, because your steroid and genetics bind you to ego too firmly.

>learn these patterns of behavior
learn. thats just it. learning is not being, its the antithesis of actual being.

>I do wonder if HRT causes 'autism'
i am certain theres a grain of truth in this, because ive had experiences that back it up and plenty of years of observing similar things myself. i am however equally certain that you in particular will never find it. ill throw you a bone in that most trannies take estradiol with a blocker or as monotherapy. progesterone is a known neuroprotective steroid. they rarely take that, even less frequently in a proper fashion. severing your HPG axis either wholly or in part also has knock on and parallel effects on steroidogenesis inside the brain that will have consequences. i am keeping as close a tab on these changes as they occur in myself as i can. strange as it might sound to you, i am not on HRT to get weaker.

>I can see it. Stiff and expressionless as a woman puts her hand on your arm. Your mind overcome with a sudden wave of dread, and the memories of your childhood. How women only are nice to manipulate you.
you have no idea how cruel ive been to women unprompted lol. a womans malice is her sole redeeming quality in my eyes.

Seems to me that there's a contemporary social driver for various groups of men to identify as female, so it's actually secondary.

So child sex abuse victim, tries to abandon former identity, probably a pedophile as well, secondary issue, now identifies as female.

Drug abuse, meth prostitute, half naked, second hand clothes, cardboard, abused by gay men. Secondary issue, now identifies as female.

AGP, pathological masturbator, flasher, exhibitionist, no partner preference. Only one of the three who might be functional. Identifies as a hole.

>>30398209
this poster will cease posting the next time a data centre gets bombed

>>30398093
>who dave is
YouTuber, but no one important. Just someone actually trying to make arguments based in studies, and so one of the few references I have for prior arguments (if only one sided)

>>30398093
>referencing the graphic itself
Which is the problem. People just read the abstract and then give it as evidence. Then I go through the effort of reading it and find it not compelling. So I stop accepting the studies they provide unless they actually read them themselves. It's just gish gallop at that point.
At the very least, you need to understand what and who is being measured. The graph does not point out that there are 6 gay trannies and it doesn't tell you what part of the brain is being measured. In this case, I think it's the whole brain, but I think it's comparing shape rather than size (I cannot be bothered to reread it thoroughly either. I did it once, and that was one time more than the person using it as evidence). There are studies on single parts of the brain that people like to use as evidence, but they are obviously even less compelling. There was a meta analysis that pointed out there was no significant difference between, that only gay brains are different.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987404/
Or that the differences in transgender brains aren't along the lines of sexual dimorphism, which is why I think I ended up trying to convince the dude it was just autism. I think I would make different arguments today, but still the same overall conclusion.

The way I find the sources in the old argument on /d/ was with the way I entered the conversation:
https://desuarchive.org/d/thread/10334485/#q10347856
Still funny and 100% accurate to this day

>no, those are imagined.
They are not though. Does the category of hand not exist because it was DNA that made the hand? This is what I'me referring to with 'categories' here. Just because they are not superficial, the lobes and structures of the brain are no less manifest than a hand.

>>30386505
Y'all realize that pronouns are to our favor right? Or do you want to wait until you're pulling down your pants that "she" has a cock?

This whole pronoun was is so silly and ridiculous. There are more serious problems were dealing with but somehow pronouns and who gets to use what bathroom bubble to the top.

>>30398273
interesting. i honestly took it at face value out of lazy indifference. my personal experience says something alike it at least is true, though i do not expect to ever have a perfect account of it.

>Does the category of hand not exist because it was DNA that made the hand?
i think you misunderstand. categories themselves do not exist, except by subjectivity. the real is at all points continuous.

>>30398273 cont.
>>30398093

>i completely disagree
Which is to err.
Perhaps you can make the argument that the individual consciousness does not exist at all, that you are the only one truly conscious (or that I am), but if you accept the premise that people are conscious, that consciousness is individual. At least, that consciousness is contained within the brain. Seeing things like lobotomies, it becomes rather apparent that consciousness manifests through the brain itself. When they split the hemispheres (an attempt to treat Parkinson's I believe), the person has two consciousnesses. That is, the side of the brain controlling speech has a different experience to the other side which is able to act independently and even draw things the verbal side does not see nor know was being drawn.

But what's your reasoning for people not being individuals?
Yeah, we are socialised by others and our DNA is inherited, but you are still the only you. The conscious experience you have is linked directly to your physical brain. You cannot be born in the wrong time, place, or body. There is no soul. There is no coin flip.
Not a pleasant reality, but the pessimist is correct more often than not.

>the difference is identity and relation to it
Of course, but why? Is it their DNA or the structure of their brain?
There are no doubt other differences than just the hippocampus atrophying, but that seems a pretty major one. It means the self you recall as a child will always be clearer than any other self you can recall later in life. You may remember a time when all felt clear, but you will never be able to think that clearly again.
Perhaps not too unusual. It's often state that adults do not learn as kids do, but perhaps it's more so the result of how we behave as adults vs how we behave as children.

>i had an anima
We all have an anima, if Jung is to believed. It makes sense. Children emulate their parent, and would have unconscious models of the other parent.

>>30398365
>But what's your reasoning for people not being individuals?
instinct, experience, the laughing non-other

>DNA or the structure of their brain?
the latter, built largely by the former, at the expense of an other mistaken for a self.

>It means the self you recall as a child will always be clearer than any other self you can recall later in life
the self i recall in childhood i recall only in action. he exists no more in me as ego, and whats left of him elsewhere is not exactly the same as what he was. you want to boil entirely the wrong things down to biology and experience respectively.

>We all have an anima, if Jung is to believed.
this is your problem. with respect to all these things you merely believe. you have none of the signs of working experience, of actual practical engagement. you want to know about the unconscious as if its something foreign, as if it isnt more you than you. you think in terms of have. you do not have. vomit at the thought.

>>30398365 cont.
>>30398093

If you are conscious enough of it to try and correct it, probably it's not an anima. You're just effeminate and gay. But emphasis on effeminate, not feminine.
This sort of notion is defined by a guy seeing a very narrow view of people, not like the Internet gives us today. He's also mostly dealing with people with mental illness. It get's back to the issue of how do you define the normal? How does one define their culture? How does a boy define boyhood?

>not quite
Sorry, I mean your 'clitty'
>both in biology as much as i can modify myself to gain them
But you are of fundamental difference. That's what I point out with the infographic (>>30392891) You do not have the sensation of a vagina. Not even a phantom sense. There are no nerve leading to this part of your body. As such, it's the emulation of a woman. As the allist could imitate the autist, the man could imitate the woman. Yet these behaviors are defined by woman.

By virtue of being a man, what a man does is what I do. I reject the notion of 'cisgender', and the idea that ciswomen and transwomen are both women, on this premise (and this is what I refer to "reject the conclusion rather than the premise"). I am not a man because I follow what men in the past defined as manhood through their actions. As such, neither is a woman or womanhood. You define male behaviors too, assuming you are a man and this isn't a pooner long con. If I am lenient, I'll call it transwomanhood

>i do not
A lady would never

>women have nothing to do with the female animal
I mean it in the way I mean 'human being vs human animal'. The human animal is purely the physical and instinctual. The human being is the social, the product of a culture and society.

To continue a point I was saying here: >>30385705
Perhaps we will come to realise that our culture isn't just the product of us, but that it is like a sibling. We were born from our ancestors, same as it was. The society too

>>30398365 cont.
>>30398093
>you are an ego bound dipshit
Were it not so, I'd be all id and superego, and we'd not be having this conversation. The former would have me beating my dick into oblivion (probably writing more futa smut about tongue fucking her dick hole until she drowns me in precum), and the latter would have me get a job (a fate most cruel and unusual).

But who are you to say I should I not write 100s of greentexts about various alternative scenarios? or are you just upset that I haven't written one in so long? Sorry, I have programming to do, and the mindsets required are at odds so I cannot do both in one day (maybe I am masking?).

>>30398161
>observe it because you take it as a given
There is more than just sexuality though. Do not ignore all I have been saying about not being able to observe the thing you are a part of. Hell, even what I said about children seducing pedophiles
What I mean is the intent matters. Just because something a heterosexual person does arouses you (or something a child does arouses a pedophile), doesn't mean that the intent or hidden motive was there. These things do not hold significance. The moral action is one has motive and purpose aligned. if you divorce the two, even in your observation, you miss the mark - you sin.

>>30398161
>learning is not being
Conditioning, rather. Learning is conscious, and someone can learn through being taught, but conditioned behaviors are in the wiring of the brain itself. Like the pattern of muscles activated in order to walk, or memories that come to mind when you smell a certain smell. They do not exist merely in the hippocampus, but across the wiring of the neurons into every sensory and motor cortex
Perhaps I spend too much time thinking about programming AI, it is a tendency for people to try and use their field to describe the world. Mathematicians do it, and we are currently experiencing English majors do it in their elevation of poetic devices regarding gender to the real world

>>30378694
It's a sin

>>30378300
There's no "disguise" about it.

>>30384073
It's as shrimple as this.

>>30398592 cont.

Although, if there was field that could best describe how the brain operates, it would be in programming neural networks. Again, it is just a metaphor, and the metaphor is not true understanding, but if the thing cannot be fully understood it may be better than nothing.
The mistake of the autist, as I have been saying but evidently bears repeating, is the certainty drawn from the superficial. They are confused by metaphors, because the metaphor is not the thing itself, but here it seems you take things akin to metaphors in their genuine reality and apply them with certainty. Could the autist differentiate the metaphor if they have never seen the real?

>progesterone is a known neuroprotective steroid
But does it protect them from the benign tumors?
Given how cancers appear to form out of stagnation in an organ, à la prostate and colon cancer being correlated with not functioning regularly, it would make sense that the reduction in brain activity due to altering the endocrine system would have similar effects.

And I've seen tranny baiting before:
>you in particular will never find it
"OMG, the prostate orgasm is like, so much stronger when you troon out guys. haha. Trust me fellow gooners, just take HRT and you'll feel like, a bijullion times better, haha"
If the thing requires being enveloped by it to be understood, probably it's just delusion. I mean, I am no stranger to arguing to the point that I lose all track of what I am saying, and upon rereading my response as someone replies to it, I have no idea how it made sense to me at the time. As such, I try not to let myself to too schizo. Typically that only happens when I am having a purely philosophical argument rather than one grounded in observed anatomy and patterns of behavior
I mean, 2k character limit feels so confining, but imagine the state of mind you must be in to discover that YouTube has a 10k character limit for comments, and then having to break your comment into not 2 but 3.

>>30378834
>And nobody is transitioning just to see some tits in the locker room.
There are actual cases of nonpassing men creeping on women in bathrooms and locker rooms, you lying fuck. And when you get articles about it shown to you as rebuttal, you don't get to move the goalposts or try to be cute. There are 100% people like that.

>>30381863
came into this thread just to call you a based repper

>>30398710
You know what is funny? Kids like you. I'll let you in on a little secret. Your beliefs and opinions, mine, everyone else posting here, don't mean a thing. This "conversation" our rage, acceptance or disgust, won't move the needle one way or another. This site has no real influence into the culture. All inconsequential. In every group of humans, men, women, tans, gay, straight, asian, arabic, white, black, there is a spectrum. There will always be a small percentage of those that are not well, that are sick, perverse, and will do horrid things. The extreme fixation on the bad actors in a single group, that's a sign of something else. It is a sign of mental conditioning. Influenced thought. Thing is, the way things are, there is no changing your believe system one way or the other, it is locked in. It is now your identity. So there is really no point in trying to argue this point or that, sharing this article or that. Irrelevant. People like you are the canary in the coal mine for the human experiment. Enjoy all that you can while you can. It's not going to last all that much longer. We will all pay the price. The bill has come due.

>>30398710 cont.

Was I cooking, or was I insane? Is there a difference? I mean, even if I were insane, does that mean I am wrong? Sure, the longer I engage in an argument, the more I be talkin like motherfuggin Sephiroth or somethin, but when I unlock my complete vernacular is when I know it's a good argument.
In essence, I lament that it's so hard to find autistic people to argue with online these days. Nothing is as intellectually stimulating.

I had to argue with a dozen different lolicons at once the other day just to feel something. That was particularly fun, because I normally be rather polite (if you'll believe that's what I've been so far), but with them I felt no reason not to be aggressive. It's hard to tell if they stopped responding because I came off as mad, or if because I was correctly able to diagnose exactly how close they are to genuine pedophiles just based on their language and the ways in which they try to avoid the argument.

But I digress (at some point I should probably reply to you rather than myself).
>>30398161
This does bring me to a point I want to mention in regards to your imagined archetype of what a woman is. When I was younger I would have 'conversations' with people in my head, and I would often pose questions for them to answer, but when they answered I would never feel like I came up with the answer myself. The credit always went to the other person. It wasn't until I had the same conversation with the actual person as the one in my head that I released the imagined version of them was not them (I was probably about 20 when this happened). So I realised that the conversations in my head were all actually me.
This is how I view your conception of building womanhood within yourself. You do not yet realise the 'woman' inside you is just you, not some spirit of womanhood being channeled through you.

>you have no idea how cruel ive been to women
I do, for I was not at all surprised by the incel to transwoman pipeline

>>30398779 cont.
>>30398161

Who, after all, hates women more than women? I look at the feminist alliance with various forces that would destroy it and think, well of course. The spiteful woman would gladly suffer any fate so long as she should revel in the schadenfreude over a million other women suffering. I believe this is in part why they have rape fantasies. They don't write about women like themselves, typically, they right about a woman prettier than themselves.
"And what a BITCH, goddamn her for being in my league, getting the men I could be getting!!! That harlot should be raped by a pack of niggers"

Women sabotage women, is what I mean to say, but not the women below them or above them. It is women in their tier, their direct competition. They observe this in studies where hairdressers will give bad advice (i.e. shit men don't actually find attractive) to women rated closer to them in attractiveness rather than women above or below.
I've seen gays be much the same towards women, and it stands to reason that so too will transwomen.

Whether or not you realise it, this is hating women is the most feminine trait you can exhibit. That's why it's also young men who hate women in earnest, feminised by the society we live in. Where you err is in being so forthcoming. A real woman would conceal her hate for other women far better (I have two sisters and was raised by single mother. I hate her too, so basically we are the exact same?).

>>30378533
Moar?

>>30379246
>A true Scotsman

>>30398770
My nigga in Floyd, I'm 30 years old.

As I said to the pedophiles, my speech is real.
(in reference to them trying to devalue the principle of freedom expression by them both relating lolicon to free speech while also claiming it should be ignored completely because "It's not real, she's just a cartoon").
I have no rage, acceptance, or disgust. What I have is righteous indignation. I am not fixated, this is merely my reaction - the culmination of more than a decade of arguments trannies have thrust upon me for not believing in their doctrine. I do not seek to make enemies, but I accept them as such when they present themselves.

What you neglect, in accusations of be being the oversocialised man, is that I was homeless for 2 years. I've done psychedelics in the past, I've had ego death, but that does not compare to the mindest of completely divorcing yourself from society in such a way. It's nigh on Zen, becoming completely at peace with nothingness and the realisation of your true nature.
I beleive you when you state your words are meaningless. This is the conditioning you speak of, filling in an answer that matches the question in the manner of an LLM.

Sure, my thoughts are the results of what influences them, but I be doing some schizo type shit. Do you ever just read foreign texts you do not understand, then look up the words in that foreign dictionary that you also do no understand, and then look up the words in that dictionary in English?
If my thoughts conditioned, find me who's said them before I. While I'm complemented that you think these things are not possible from a single man, I'm insulted that you a human such as yourself, such as I, could not possibly have conjured such thoughts.

You think the random arguments I have for fun are the culmination of what I can accomplish? Nigga, we got an open tab up in this bitch, and I've yet to order.

>>30394816
>transgenderism is the only way to prevent suicide
Nothing of value to be lost

>>30380778
>are you only accusing your political enemies of being pedophiles so that we don’t look closer at you and start finding out what kind of shit you’re actually into/up to
I'm 58 and I can tell you without bias this has been the playbook of exactly one party since 1980 and it's not the Democrats. Its corollary when proven true is "well everybody does it" implying the system is to blame.

>>30381109
>Every boy has a degree of autogynephilia
I write fiction which is where I have female characters (sometimes protags but not usually) and that's about the extent of my interest in the subject. When I'm jerking off I think about being me having sex with women, I don't wonder what it would be like to have tits or a pussy.
I get that everyone's a little different but I really don't think the other guys I grew up with were fantasizing about being girls and in particular not the fags who were only interested in other guys. Maybe you're projecting. Heavily.

>>30381367
>Fight Club was a philosophical manifesto I believe in
Chuck Pahlaniuk is an actual homo who was coming up with excuses to write homoerotic scenarios which you took as gospel

>>30383043
>curiosity over the other gender
I was curious to the point of wanting to know how to get women off, not wear a fucking dress and pretend to be one chief

>>30385351
>Its really just about being attractive and desired
That's not a reason to change your name and clothes, that's you being a fuckup at dating looking for an escape hatch. Jesus Christ society isn't obligated to change for losers.

Oh, I missed a couple of response

>>30398297
>i think you misunderstand. categories themselves do not exist
True, but the word itself is a category.
"Hand" has been said 12 times now, but you know what a hand is, right? A hand is real, but is the word "hand"? I've had this argument with someone claiming logic is subjective, and I think it suits here too. The category becomes an object. That is, "hand" is a premise, an assertion of a category of thing. We can argue over these subjective claims of what is, but when we agree upon the premise where hands exists, as you have done so implicitly by accepting the meaning of the word "hand", then the premise becomes objective.
All language is subjective, all language is social constructs, but we can propose a set of rules and should we accept them, those rules become objective in our reasoning.
All you do is merely reject the premise, but this means little to me as I can see the contradiction in this as you accept various categories. It's just bias. You would rather pin your views in the unknowable, the DNA which neither you nor I fully comprehend, than have to grapple with the possibility that you are a physical thing -that you are anatomical- and can be known

>>30398398
>instinct, experience, the laughing non-other
>at the expense of an other mistaken for a self
I think I was addressing this point in regards to the conversations I have in my own head. The things you perceive within you as the other are still yourself, even the things you think are seeds of your mother

>he exists no more in me as ego
You may be surprised what can exist within you. I myself had internalised things my mother had said, but only later realised when I voiced them and my sister remembered my mother had said them. Perhaps what you say is true, but you it would take years of therapy for me to believe it so.
>boil entirely the wrong things down to biology and experience respectively
As opposed to DNA? It really does seem you mean 'soul' or 'god'

>>30388881
>but is otherwise indistinguishable from a woman
Obstetricians are now trained to recognize the deformed external genitalia at birth so s chromosome test can be performed. The body will not develop with purely female proportions into adolescence just because the androgens are ignored; without actual estrogen you get a body that's SORT OF female looking but with unusual aspects and again when you have small breasts and no period by the age of 13 your pediatrician is already going to know to check what the doctor who delivered you should have.
Again, the resistance to testosterone is not equivalent to having estrogen which does affect development.

>>30391313
>I don't think you can generalize the reasons why men or women become transformers
A craving for Energon

I swear to god, you are all fucking faggots with how much you obsess over this shit

>>30378694
>>30378800
sexualizing something that is inherently not sexual. gender is not sexual at all.

>>30398999
>This is how I see things so obviously it's an objective fact!

>>30378300
Only superficially, once you go deeper, it's just a cope with being rapped by subhumans.
Rapped men cope by taking on the form in which they were abused (can't be a faggot if I am a woman)
Rapped women cope by taking on the form of the abuser (can't be a victim if I'm the victimizer)
In men, it's complacency, this is why faggots have the least rates of domestic violence.
In women, it's defiance, this is why dykes have the highest rates of domestic violence.
Then their sexualities evolve regardless, the normal homo/heterosexual transfaggotry.

>>30398977 cont.
>>30398398
>this is your problem
I do not simply believe these things. To the contrary, I do not really care at all about what people in the past believe. If these pheonema are real, they may be observed again. If these thoughts are poignant, they may be had again.
I invoke them as a meme. I find the observations brought up by early psychology and religion to be funny. Actually, the same with modern assertions, as I do with you. I understand the things you say to be true, to the extent you're describing real thing, but it is merely a difference in dialect. You are not wholly in your own realm of fantasy, but the way you describe things differs from how I would. You haven't really refuted anything in a way that makes me think I didn't understand your view entirely from the start. You just don't understand the language I am speaking.

I have seen this happen elsewhere, people saying the exact same things, but because they say it in different ways they cannot understand each other.

> you have none of the signs of working experience
I think this is to a degree addressed here: >>30398899
When you detach yourself for society entirely, it allows you to see things more clearly. It is the closest the individual can get to not being in one group or another. Better than psychedelics, a more true detachment. I have seen people make claims of how they can be used to make you an individual, but that's delusion.

Anyway, it was a nice chat. If only I wasn't so tired, starting it at 2am, then resuming it after a 4 hour nap for over 6 hours. Maybe it would have been clearer. Maybe I'll look into that catbox image and consider it further.

One thing I thing I think you should consider, in relation to autism and HRT, is the people who do the exact opposite. I view the 'cismen', i.e. the boys think that being a man is about emulating male archetypes - looks-maxing and taking steroids, as the mirror image of the tranny.

>>30399043 cont.

And another thing, which I mentioned before, but should be the conclusion:
The primary difference I see as being caused by HRT is that it gives you the hormones a healthy body would produce on its own.

You say: >>30398161
>i am not on HRT to get weaker.
There are many trannies who I think because they do not have all the vitamins and minerals they need, and get appropriate sleep and exercise, stop producing appropriate levels of hormones. If you aren't producing testosterone, you also aren't producing estrogen which is converted from testosterone. Ergo, the low T male would benefit from taking estrogen, because it is still needed for male health. The more you take, better you will feel, and maybe even better than if you took TRT because the body may not turn that into estrogen if you lack all the vitamins and minerals it requires to do so.

Basically, you are what you eat.
I've gone through the effort to calculate all the vitamins and minerals I need (using Chat GPT to get the number in food a lot of the time), and then supplemented the ones that I cannot get from food. Even then, some I do not absorb like iron or most minerals. I avoided folic acid for while because I thought I couldn't mathylate it, but then when taking it again I unlocked my ability to argue and not just be depressed.
Given how hard it was to eventually get it right, I really doubt there are many people with their diet dialed in to anywhere near what it should be. That should always be the first step.

It's something I've been trying to 'trick' boys into doing, by making workout routines to grow a big ass for all the twinks who want fat butts. If they get into the habit of working out, it will be a lot better for them, and if they are driven by the idea of a big ass, they may start eating and sleeping more healthy.
I know, wicked that I would be tricking people in such a way. But it clearly works. I workout daily to keep my sanity and acuity.

I couldn't imagine a less valuable cauldron of dogshit opinions than this thread. At this trajectory this primitive website will be your tomb, you will never know genuine love, self-expression or connection to another individual of any beauty or splendor. You will be united only by you hatred and when you die, your fellow haters will not even notice, let alone mourn you.

Please touch some fucking grass and talk to someone other than another fucking chud.

>>30398905
To the extent that they are toxic and seeking to do harm. I mean, it would be better if they just took their own lives rather than kids at schools.
But I do feel sad that they have been misguided into suicide. The thing stopping them from behind happy is not lack of HRT.

>>30398924
I still think that may count. You probably didn't read all my schizo posting, but the I said here in regards to the conversations in your head still being you would apply this this:
>>30398779
You can also relate it to being attracted to characters in anime. Of course they appeal to you, it was a fantasy from the mind of a dude. It's not a real woman. The same is probably why trannies appeal, a representation of a woman made by a man will hit the male part of your brain more directly. Yet there is a degree of gayness in both (more so in trannies). Getting off to what a guy conjured up is not getting off to a woman, and neither is getting off to your imagination of a woman. This is something born of your mind, it is part of you.
(But IDK, I'm completely burnt out at this point, maybe I am making zero sense anymore)

>>30398940
That's also to a degree autogynephilic (assuming you are imagining it and getting off to that thought). Memory is different, but if it's original thought, that's your own brain, pharaoh.


>>30399095
>you will never know genuine love
That shit's gay. Don't need it.
> touch some fucking grass
Yeah, it's time to workout.

>>30381109
>>30383043
>>30385618
>>30396219
>>30396277
Different anon, but if you're a true intellectual and honest with yourself, you have to study people like myself.
Because there was no point in my life, and I'm probably older than most of the underaged newcommers of here,
when I even doubted the sex I was born into, really it never even occurred, BUT I didn't grow up around genderism being a thing.

>>30399387
>you have to study people like myself
I presume you're just a transwoman.
I honestly don't see it as overly unique to the human condition. It always crops up around societal breakdown, because people are losing their grasp of the culture as their governments betray them. While it was the realm of the mentally ill in a stable society, it's starts to enter the realm of the normal when the society is ill. Not really different to the looks-maxer 'beautiful ones'.

You may simply be atomised, which puts you ahead of the curve as a culture moves slower. As we are products of our environment, as much as we shape it, the culture itself will be behind you if you're not an actually mentally ill person. I've said things that sounded crazy, but after a few years it was the standard opinion,
People may put too much stock in there being thought leaders, as people would not be seen as thought leaders if other people were not receptive to what they have to say. It it wasn't them, it would just has easily been someone else coming to a similar position shortly after.

Basically, when people lose sight of what they actually are as a culture through multiculturalism or emigrating to a foreign land, they have to latch on to whatever identity they can get a hold of. It's much like the biracial person who only identifies with their non-white identity as a means to define themselves from the white masses. Instead you have effeminate men identifying themselves with their larger than usual anima, i.e. their internalised model of feminine behaviors.

But IDK, you didn't really give me anything to work off.

>>30392833
lmao still propping up Jordan Peterson, huh? Remember when he almost died and they were too embarrassed to explain why

>>30399549
Yeah, he got hooked on anti-depressants. It did seem like he became less sharp after that, but I chalk it up to him getting older and already exhausting a lot of the things he had to say. He's spent a lot of his life thinking about a particular issue, so when he gets out of that realm he has less insights. I enjoy his college lectures.

I cannot fault a man for knowing the things he knows and not knowing the things he doesn't.
Ask me to argue about religion and I look like a fool, but ask me to argue about transgenderism and I look like an autist.

>>30399542
>bot

>>30399645
Thanks.
I've just been waiting to see if there's any more things I can argue with before the thread 404s