Anyone else miss normal cheating in hentai?
>>8625146Yes, I heavily prefer normal cheating. NTR is just cringe and unrealistic. Furthest it should go is maybe the woman getting the ick from her husband/son after she starts focusing on his physical shortcomings.
>>8625178>NTR is just cringe and unrealistic.This. And also really sad sometimes.
>>8625146Yeah, but normal cheating isn't very appealing to the female demographic. They WANT to see the woman destroy her life and then be destroyed. It's a female power fantasy of robbing others of themselves and harming them while also being dominated.
NTR just ruines the entire idea of cheating honestly
Problem is that modern NTR is just the same overdone plot points over and over
I was just googling around for group sex / swinging hentai and I can't find any of that shit, it's all NTR with all the weird humiliation and rape shit in it. I just want to see guys bang each other's girlfriends and everyone enjoying it
>>8625374>They WANT to see the woman destroy her life and then be destroyed. It's a female power fantasy of robbing others of themselves and harming them while also being dominated.I'll never understand women.
>>8625146The issue with that post, and with everyone in this thread too, is mistaking one specific subcategory of NTR (type B) for the entirety of the fetish. There are other kinds, too.
>>8627286Can you blame them? They all kinda just blend together at this point.
>>8625374it's as popular with males as it is with females, data don't lie>>8627407it's actually my main pet peeve: netorare is very specific, but people call everything vaguely similar NTR which is annoying when ie. a normally vanilla plot has a throwaway line about "he/she is married" and no other followu-the graphic is a bit of a shitpost because it's working off JP grammar where you can conjugate the result of a prior conjugation, in reality #4 is as far as it goes
>>8625146They still exist though, you should stop visiting so many cuckold websites
Mosquitoman?
>>8627286>>8629451I would argue that there were other kinds. The Netorare/Netori division, as well as type A-C, were a distinction made to categorize different kinds of existing content. My association with it will always be looking through VNDB and trying to figure out whether a VN has a route where a heroine is raped, its some cuckshit, or if the MC seduces somebody else's girl.That's not really what NTR is today though. Modern NTR is its own genre with its conventions that writers intentionally produce, not as much a categorization of existing stories. Many of those types do exist as subgenres within it, but have largely mixed: the differences in the willingness of the girl or the perspective character are just kinda irrelevant when everything still follows the same conventions.
>>8627407We can go at least 10 layers deeper
Yeah. Ntr is alright but really wish there was just more cheating sluts.Ntr puts the focus on the guy whose being cheated on which is just gay. I just really want to enjoy sluts
Some of my friends were fine watching and reading hentai that had cheating until they discovered ntr. They can't watch or read those hentais they liked the same way again.
>>8642417Why not?
>>8627407The O Other People should have been a different color
>>8642841just the same overdone plot points over and over
>>8625146Yeah like I wouldn't mind a frustrated delicious milf giving in and having a smacking good sex. But I know that once they start banging, the guy has to fucking bring up the other guy, or the woman constantly has to compare everything to her husband, and have to cum on her family pictures or I don't know what else.
>>8652567>the guy has to fucking bring up the other guyThis is why I can't take NTR seriously, because it's just roundabout dom/sub play between two dudes using the woman as a tool. If a man is focused on another man during sex, even if it is with a woman and the other man is being cucked, it is extremely gay. Which is fine, be gay if you want, but don't pretend like you're actually an alpha pussy destroyer who just loves women, because you're really not - you're a closeted faggot with such a fragile ego and low self-esteem that you need to constantly be reassured that you're the best and that you're better than another guy.
>>8626215>robbing others of themselves and harming them while also being dominatedmoving on quickly and monkey branching to the best option available to increase their odds and offspring's odds of success because men are more expendable and died from all sorts of bullshit earlier.There's also more to it than just that for all sorts of other convoluted bullshit.It's not meant to be easy to understand, this convoluted puzzle is all by design but there is method in all that madness.
>>8625799I on the other hand don't care much for the cheating aspect of it. I just like humiliation/ domination play, but ntr is where I can most consistantly find it.
>>8625146>cheating>normal
>>8663589Don't make me break out the statistics
>>8667007common ≠ normal
You read one NTRslop story, you've read most of them. They only differ in very minimal ways.
>>8625146NTR just ruines the entire idea of cheating honestly
Is this the anti-ntr thread? I was here a while ago and there was one but I didn't know if they were still happening>>8625146The interesting thing about this; I think I've posted about this before; Is that before this huge push for NTR and cuckold porn, cheating basically was always a mainstay in porn, so much so that it was hardly even mentioned as a selling point for any given video or doujin. Housewife cheats with plumber, or pizza delivery boy, or husband cheats with babysitter or secretary. For the most part people didn't even really pick up on it as a specific fetish, it was just a sort of context to the porn that added to the saucy, oversexualized world it takes place in. This hot MILF is literally so fucking horny so can't wait for her husband to get home and NEEDS to bang this pizza delivery boy. The idea of the husband's shame and humiliation being the central focus of it was unheard of. I would agree that you can't really do that anymore. At the very moment porn or hentai even hints at including some aspect of infidelity; sometimes not even actual cheating, just some element of another party being neglected or made a fool; people get an awful taste in their mouths because of the disgusting amount of cuck porn that gets pushed everywhere. I sure as hell can't stand it. Which SUCKS for me especially because I think a lot of other tags I'm into often crossover with that kind of humiliation/misandry cuck porn. I've actually blacklisted artists I otherwise like because they feature stuff like that, just viewing their art afterwards makes me queasy.
> casual heat-of-the-moment passion> NO, someone must get hurt anytime there's sexIt's just so tiresome.
Yeah and i hate that NTR is just pushed everywhere.
>>8671474>The idea of the husband's shame and humiliation being the central focus of it was unheard of. I would agree that you can't really do that anymore. At the very moment porn or hentai even hints at including some aspect of infidelity; sometimes not even actual cheating, just some element of another party being neglected or made a fool; people get an awful taste in their mouthssounds like a good thing to me. older porn was often pretty disgusting and pathetic without even being aware of it. it felt sleazy and subhuman in a very stupid way, and you'd hear losers parrot shit like "yeah I like a woman who has fucked lots of guys because she knows how to please a guy" without a shred of irony. meanwhile, now cheating is properly coded as a disgusting act of betrayal even in porn, and if anything the arousal comes from that awareness.
Oh thank God I thought I was the only one who preferred cheating over ntr anymore.
>>8673260>heat-of-the-moment passionno such thing, conscious decision
It's crazy that some of ya'll have no problem watching a woman get raped and abused, but as soon as her boyfriend gets their feelings hurt you suddenly feel empathy.Most hentai is inherently sadistic. Whether you want to admit it or not, you enjoy watching people suffer. Either accept that fact and enjoy the catharsis of fictional suffering, or shut the fuck up.I can't believe we have such whiny babies in the hentai community. Every fucking comment section is full of you thin skinned cunts throwing a hissy fit because you can't stand to watch a fictional man be sad. It's fucking pathetic.
>>8678311>stop being critical>stop forming your own opinions>just lie down and silently accept taking shitno. cuck brained bitch
>>8625146I do. Everything is just the same trite NTR
>>8627286even authors forget that and mix both togheter
I just do "cheating -netorare -netorase" with my tags
>>8625146Cheating is weird, because it conceptually sucks, but it can still show the complexities and vulnerabilities of being human. Not something I find sexually gratifying to witness at all, but something that I see why people would be interested in it from a writing standpoint.The modern NTR fetish is just cringe. Sloppily-written defilement and domination trash, with the extra touch of sadism of rubbing it in someone else's face.
>>8625374Cope, it's a male fantasy.
>>8625374>It's a female power fantasy of robbing others of themselves and harming them while also being dominated.but why? i struggle to understand why womans are a destructive forceis it to help us (males) to grow? so we realize that we can't trust these retarded creatures and to predict what happens if we let them lose?so we improve ourselves and be strong and smart enough to be able to dominate them and prevent decline?
>>8678311>Either accept that fact and enjoy the catharsis of fictional suffering, or shut the fuck up.Many people are not actually enjoying the catharsis from the suffering of the characters though. That would imply that there is an internal tension that you are feeling and then releasing, and not just that you are getting horny off of the objectification of a character you think is hot and then getting release.
>>8683597Lizard brain shit, bro. Women, barring some exceptions, at their core, in some form or another, want to be dominated and led by a strong male. And they're not gonna let something like being in a relationship stop that.Plus everyone loves breaking a taboo, and cheating is one of the most morally reprehensible taboos there are.
I was a big fan of "normal" cheating before falling into NTR and now i realize that some posts in this thread are really fair and understable. I'm not a NTR hater at all on the contrary i'm in the group of people who fap to it but I do understand the frustration for killing the "cheating" genre. The fact that now in almost all cheating situation the netori guy or the girl getting stolen can't help but bring up the husband/boyfriend trope, have to compete against him, to make him suffer must be so tiresome for some of you guys.
>>8678311When novels first became popular, a whole genre developed around stories exhorting virtuous women, starting with "Pamela; or Virtue Rewarded" by Samuel Richardson. These stories contained a lot of lewdness,but criticized and contrasted it with the chastity of the heroines. In practice, they were essentially just thinly veiled titillating tales that you could reasonably possess with some amount of reasonable doubt ("I read Playboy for the articles" of the Victorian era).The thing about being a certified Hater is that leads you to thinking about the thing you hate just as much, or even more, than the actual fans do. So it's a common pattern that somebody will hate on something just as an excuse (whether consciously or not) to keep engaging with that thing. Most people who dislike NTR just dislike it because of the obvious reasons, and these people simply do their best to not engage with it, which is easy on any half-decent website with a functioning tagging system. Yeah, people don't tag it, but it's not really all that common that you would find yourself repeatedly exposed to it if you didn't want to.The remaining people have to form this sort of hatedom. Another thing I've seen, and you can find it easily in this thread, is the rationalization. Discontented with a simple "NTR sucks because I do not enjoy this level of sadomasochism, and this applies to most other people", you gotta try to find some reason it's "objectively" bad. That's an endless search that allows you to engage mentally with the fetish (for the purposes of 'hating', obviously) for as long as you like. Like whoah, netorare doujins are full of cliches and shitty writing? How could this be? Writers in others genre of hentai are routinely winning the fucking Pulitzer, as we all know.(the kind of people who are into NTR but also extremely ashamed of it are also the kind of people who would be incels, btw, which explains a good amount of the really odd misogyny in this threaad).
>>8678311I'm not gonna say I don't probably have a couple hundred rape/non-con doujins saved because I do, but it's still a small percent of my favorites. Personally, I dislike bad ends period. Sex does not need to be this physically violent, life ruining thing, so whenever a chick ends up some destitute, lobotomized meat toilet, yeah, it kills my boner. I guess I'm weird like that.>>8684887I'll admit I'm guilty of hate-reading a lot of NTR doujins. And a bit of a hypocrite. I actually quite like netori, and netorase can be palettable on a case-by-case basis. But pure NTR bums me out just as much as watching happy-go-lucky heroines getting turned into amoral sluts, with or without an SO.I dunno. I just don't like any story that is actively trying to get a rise out of me. Porn or otherwise. I don't like the horror genre for the same reason. Jumpscares, gore, suffering, playing up a character's hopes and dreams before giving them an inevitable, grizzly death.Besides, NTR heroines suck. No matter how beautiful they are, no matter how charming or sane they start, they always turn into sociopathic cunts in the end and that's more of a turn off than the most busted, venerial prostitute in Tokyo or otherwise.
The thing is there are groups of low iq people that defines NTR as "stealing" anyone even when the husband/partner does not appear at all or there a cuck aspect in the story. Their brain are fried by NTR while hating NTR at the same time. Go look at r/pornhwa, you got bunch of "is this safe" fags who can't differentiate normal cheating with NTR.
>>8685269*there is no cuck aspect
>>8685247NTR and Horror are essentially the same genre in different declinations. If you don’t enjoy it you don’t enjoy it, and there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just silly to actively hate on it when it’s just a matter of taste.Having said that, there’s plenty of NTR where the stolen woman doesn’t become particularly cruel—particularly in those works which are NTR but not cheating (for example, “cuck is too pussy to confess -> childhood friend gets a different boyfriend”). But still, if the NTR heroine didn’t suck to some extent, then there would be no infidelity and no story… it’s kinda like complaining Hannibal Lecter kills people. That’s his job in the story!The cruelty, the shitty characters, the really far fetched setups… those are not flaws, but features of the genre. Just like “being scary” is a feature and not a bug of horror movies.
>>8684887>Yeah, people don't tag it, but it's not really all that common that you would find yourself repeatedly exposed to it if you didn't want to.I think the opposite is true, and your argument "Most people that don't like it never have to think about it because they don't seek it out" is very dishonest. It's true in the case of browsing a site like rule34 xxx, you can blacklist any tags associated with NTR, along with every other tag you don't like, and for as long as you're browsing that site(however long it takes for you to jerk off) you won't see anything you don't want to. But this is one(albiet common) scenario that ignores a lot of other means people have to interact with adult content where NTR et al aren't just a tag you can block and will compete for your attention regardless. Do you really think NTR would have amassed such hatred if every other horny /v/ thread wasn't hijacked as soon as possible with "she's made for black men", "wow they really gave her the NTR smile"? You could maybe discount those as unassociated trolls that say whatever gets them a reaction but then you have stealth NTR threads that hide their nature so they can't be filtered, and the cuck raceplay posters on /gif/ that word their threads esoterically specifically to bypass people's filters and show up on the catalog anyways. And that's just ways in which NTR fetishists literally go out of their way to be hard to avoid, but otherwise I'd argue NTR as a whole growing in popularity over the past couple years has inflated it's presence to where "you only see it if you seek it out" just isn't true, because it will take up threads on porn boards, artists you follow will begin doing it, it forces itself to be normalized and representative in NSFW spaces as a whole. And you could say it's popularity justifies this as just what the people want but I think it's still then valid for people to complain about having to put up with it.
>>8685349These were all complaints levied at futanari a couple years back, when that fetish EXPLODED in popularity, and the same thing happened. It wasn't just "a tag you can block", you would be scrolling /v/, find what's clearly a pic taken from a saucy doujin, follow the source only to find it's a girl with a cock. Cute girl used as OP image? Haha, that's a boy actually. I'm a futafag myself, so this is coming from a place where I can empathize with people who don't share my fetish that yea, it legit was unavoidable for a while there; if you were anywhere people posted saucy images, there was lots of futa/trap/trans discussion, and it's that way. I've followed artists that I personally was delighted when they started doing futa, but I also would see them get feedback from people disappointed they went in that direction and that they miss their vanilla stuff, and while I think it's the artists right to draw what it is they want, whether that's because of their own taste or what is popular, that is a case where the presence of a fetish is frustrating for other people.And I think NTR especially pushes the envelope. For all that can be said about how inescapable futa stuff was, I think it's impossible to deny how overzealous NTR fetishists are and how insistent they are on having content for it present in places where it doesn't belong, all the while playing the victim of being innocent content-starved fetishists that are constantly under attack whenever they get even a crumb of smut for them. Just yesterday I was in a /v/ thread about an erogame that was for the most part vanilla, but featured some scenes where apparently you watch the love interest get fucked by a gang of goblins. Could you imagine a game that is 95% vanilla but then forces in scenes with horsecock futanari? Scat with feral pigs? Graphic bloody violence? No, because why would a game try to appeal to vanillafags and fetishists, satisfying neither? But NTRfags must get their way...
>>8685349I've often said that the hate for NTR would be significantly less if it weren't so prevailent. Without blacklisting it, on your average h-media aggregation site you're gonna find like, 15% of the works are NTR or NTR adjacent, which is a lot. If it were just 'Cheating', people wouldn't be so irritated, but NTR always has this undercurrent of evoking frustration in the viewer to some extent.
>>8625146All what’s normal is missed… It’s being overtaken and ruined by menhera
>>8625178/thread
>>8625146NTR just cannibalised normal cheating
>>8625146I never really cared for cheating in hentai, OP. I preferred singles, divorcees, even widows. Now, after all of the NTR shit that's made, I now have a new found appreciation for cheating. At least cheaters don't throw it in the other spouse's face that they are betraying their lover's trust.
>>8625799https://exhentai.org/g/2847125/3380889476/https://exhentai.org/s/1c0dd593f7/969641-240Hope you enjoy them
>>8625146Cheating is the blandest slop for the blandest boomersNTR simply outcompetes it because of the spice, its like britishers restaurants vs indian ones
>>8625146I just hate how actually gay NTR itself has become as a medium.Also the fact that netorase these days is more like """""netorase"""""***** (****actually just netorare). There's no actual netorase/swinging anymore, it almost always leads to the girl leaving her original man or cheating on him behind his back, instead of just indulging his fetish for seeing her fuck other men/them fucking other men/women respectively.And about the gay shit... I feel like it's literally a coin flip now between a bog standard NTR, and then ones where the dude getting cucked is twinkified, and going "OOoOHoOHHHH LET ME SUCK YOUR COCK TO CLEAN UP YOUR CUM MY BULL MASTER OooOoHoHHHH". And it's usually the girl making him do it too whether it's actually sucking his dick/the cum out of her pussy. It's mad gay.Why do actual homos have to ruin everything? Especially ones that are in the closet.
>>8695510>I just hate how actually gay NTR itself has become as a medium.There are homoerotic undertones in NTR. In one of the NTR threads, there's one pic of a tiny dick cuck sucking Chad's cum out of his wife's pussy. Also, in a lot of these NTRs, the cuck's micropenis borders on being an oversize clit and the cuck is just effeminate enough to be the bottom bitch without being a shemale.Makes me wonder why they don't just cut out the middle woman and go full yaoi.
>>8673260Bro, I get you. I'm sick and tired of authors adding a character that barely exist to just hurt them
>>8699254yeah same
>>8695510>I just hate how actually gay NTR itself has become as a medium.That tends to happen whenever a group of artist just wants a quick buck
>>8704751Bubble's got to pop someday, right?
if you think it in Japanese mindset you will get why cheating lost to NTR. They prefer the girl being in the classic passive role rather than bold and slutty upfront. Cheating means she seeks for it herself rather than receiving it reluctantly and reveals the gap later about her sexual desire in NTR.That said if you want the seductive type then they still exists in oneeshota, reverse rape, reverse NTR or vanilla. Just remember whenever you think you can write better than a Jap, look no further than the western slop of porn and how unappealing the girls are.
As an enjoyer of early NTR stuff, I fucking hate the turns it took and the "state" of the fetish now.After it became popular in the west it started becoming westernized and it fucking sucks now.There is almost not a single new work that appeals to what I like.At least some of my favorite 2d hentai game devs are still working on new stuff and they haven't changed.
