I thought that the best way to learn japanese in my case is reading hentai manga, just like I did with english years ago. I'm looking for only hiragana/katakana written hentais, does it exist?
>>8823613
Hiragana is only for children up to elementary, so how many hentais do you expect to be written for children...
>>8823620Maybe hentais with simple dialogues? I mean learning those 2k kanjis from 0 is a pain
>>8823620ThisAlso, learning Japanese by ignoring kanji is a terrible way to learn
you should read santa he has furigana just like normal shounen jump
There's plenty of hentai manga that use very simple language with mostly very common, frequent (in hentai) kanji. You're gonna see a lot of 膣, 出, 動, 奥 and so on. It's actually not a bad idea to learn with eromanga. But you can't hide from kanji. Japanese isn't japanese without kanji. You need to face that wall.
>>8824250Thanks for the info, I will try. Also do you know a website that doesn't delete entries just like nhentai did? I've lost my favorite one and now I will have to make a post if someone knows it
>>8823613You will have to learn kanji, you can't get around that. It seems intimidating at first, but eventually you get the hang of it. I recommend using Anki and Yomitan, there are many guides online for that. I began learning japanese by translating isolated images like the one attached (usually they have simpler grammar and are easier to understand, as a longer story would have more complicated dialogue and context than a one-off image/panel), but obviously that's not enough. It can be a good motivator though. Here's a list of sexual words/kanji in japanese you might find useful:https://www.japanesewithanime.com/2019/04/sex-related-terms.html?m=1>>8823925The furigana says "thank you for the meal", which in kanji would be ご馳走様でした (you could write ご as 御 if you wanted to go overboard with the kanji). The kanji actually says ちつないしゃせい かんしゃ which would mean something like "Thanks for the creampie (literally: 'ejaculation inside the vagina')". It's kind of a humorous use of it. Sometimes the furigana is used like that where it will say something mildly different.
>>8826028that's quite useful, thanks for the info. I'm actually using Anki and Yomitan since yesterday, saw a playlist with useful apps for japanese learning. Right now I can understand all Hiragana and I'm trying to read some hentais with simple words, there are some kanji and if I'm correct, they doesn't have just one "sound" and can change depending on the phrase used for. It is quite overwhelming
>>8827001There are kanji that have multiple readings, yes. So it is better to learn whole words rather than individual kanji and their readings. For example, instead of learning all the readings of 生, it's better to learn the whole words. Like 生 by itself is nama (meaning "raw", can be used to referring to fucking without a condom), 生きる is ikiru (to live) and 人生 is jinsei (human life, used in sentences like "never in my life..." Or "Happiest day of my life", etc.). On paper it has like 20+ readings, in practice you'll most likely end up only seeing like 4 or 5, and like 90% of the time if it's next to another kanji it's read as "sei".I've been studying for 4+ years and I can understand 70% of what I read, the rest I can understand through context. The progress feels very slow, up until half a year ago I felt like I didn't understand much, but now I'm playing persona 5 in japanese and getting most of everything. Eventually you cross a threshold where you know enough vocabulary that you can immerse and everything gets easier from there, but until then it's rough. The most important thing is not to get intimidated or discouraged and to remember it's going to take a long time.As far as learning from hentai goes, you can get free software like ShareX that comes with an OCR tool so you can copy text from images and have an easier time translating. It's not perfect and depending on the font or the size of the image it can sometimes not pick it up or do so incorrectly, but it helps. On your phone you can screenshot it and use Google lens to copy and/or translate the text.I'll leave you with this image. It has basic kanji (お前, 好き, 下) so it shouldn't be too hard to understand. (って is used when quoting something btw, so she's quoting the viewer/an unseen character when she ends the sentence in that)
>>8827070A long journey awaits for me, but I'm quite excited about it. Japanese seems like a language you not only you have to understand but also know the context and the feeling it transmits. Thanks for sharing that app, I will download and try it
>>8827070>I've been studying for 4+ years and I can understand 70% of what I read, the rest I can understand through context. The progress feels very slow, up until half a year ago I felt like I didn't understand much, but now I'm playing persona 5 in japanese and getting most of everything. Eventually you cross a threshold where you know enough vocabulary that you can immerse and everything gets easier from there, but until then it's rough. The most important thing is not to get intimidated or discouraged and to remember it's going to take a long time.Not that guy but do you have any particular tips on fighting discouragement? I'm doing my best to listen and immerse but it's so hard to keep up the non-intrinsic motivation when I don't understand much apart from vocab. Of course I'm studying grammar too but for some reason I just don't feel grammar clicking in the same way as word recognition.Also, you say that you've been doing it for 4+ years, how many hours in a day have you been doing it?
>>8827877(1/2)First, if you can understand anything in this thread, take a second to feel proud of yourself.Second: https://youtube.com/shorts/ss8CpQXcU2U?si=sUWmmMyWtTm-hdtWThird: I was very inconsistent for the first two years, I tried to do one hour a day minimum, some days two, but I wasn't immersing. The second year I was consistent, but I only grinded anki without paying much attention, to the point I would accidentally go on autopilot and just focus on recognizing kanji, but I wouldn't memorize the meaning or read the example sentences, so I wasted a bunch of time doing that.When I started immersing that helped because I was now using the japanese instead of just seeing isolated words. I watch anime in japanese subtitled in japanese and use a text hooker to be able to use Yomitan on it.Our own progress is sometimes invisible to ourselves, something that helps me is keeping track of things on a physical planner (I think that's what it's called in English, it's like a book fused with a calendar). Everyday I write down how I studied, how long for, and if I managed to understand or learn something. That becomes proof of progress, and also it serves as a nudge to get back to learning if you leave one too many pages blank (it also serves to write what stops you from studying, if something repeats too often you now know what is stopping you.My biggest source of motivation is the knowledge that I'm doing it for myself, so that I'll be a better, more cultured person.I remember something a professor once explained to me about utopias. He compared them to the horizon. If you take two steps forward, the horizon moves two steps back. It doesn't matter how much you walk, you'll never reach it. What is the horizon good for then if you can't reach it? Precisely for that: walking. It gives you a north star to follow and keeps you moving.
>>8827877(2/2) What I see in the horizon for myself is someone who is completely fluent in japanese and can read the works of Kawabata and Mishima without needing a dictionary or translation tool. I may never get there, but because I kept following that north star I can now play persona and get 70% of stuff. And that's pretty neat. I keep walking towards the horizon and it still seems impossible to reach, but I've walked for so long that when I look behind I covered such a distance that it's hard to see where I started.>TL;DR + a few extra tips:>It's going to take a long time, everything difficult does. Get comfortable with the idea of it taking 10+ years to be fluent. Maybe it will be less, but you are in it for the long haul.>You don't have to be perfect, just better than yesterday.>You are doing to care for/improve yourself, no different than brushing your teeth everyday, taking a shower or going to the gym.>As long as you keep moving, even if not quickly or efficiently, you will get closer to your goal.>Follow the 1+1 thing.>Writing and speaking are always more difficult than understanding (in everything language), so don't be discouraged by that. Still, don't neglected it. It wires your brain to think in japanese. I didn't do it for the first three years, I hyper focused on only reading and that wasn't a very good idea. Both output and input matter.>You don't have to be fluent in order to understand or be understood, embrace caveman mode. Just knowing vocabulary gets you very far. If I said "Bathroom where is?" you would understand even though it is incorrect or in complete. If I said "__ me, where __ bathroom?" You would be able to fill in the blanks as long as you get the important words.Sorry, I'm bad with words. Even the TL;DR ended up being long-winded.Sometimes I make dumb mistakes, feel burnt out or like I'm not making progress. But sometimes I get natives telling me things like the pic attached. I'll get more of that if I keep at it
>>8828064I'm retarded. I mean i+1, not 1+1. Sowy. Bad with words.
>>8823620NTA, but it's true that hiragana is foundational. However, it's still important to memorize. There are various particles, and parts of words, that are written in hiragana. Sometimes, kanji will also be accompanied by hiragana to aid in reading them. After all, there are so many kanji that many are not used all that often, or the author wants to make sure that they're being interpreted correctly.That's not to say that you shouldn't try to learn kanji too, just that hiragana appears enough in everyday life that it's still important to learn.
>>8827070I just tried ShareX and it is awesome. I was looking for an app like that for a while. Do you mind if I can add you to discord or some other site to keep a contact with you?
just remember there have been proof for passing JLPT N1/N2 just by consuming JAV/doujinshi/nukige. It's not about the difficulty. Just read whatever you like and try to understand instead of whitenoising.
>>8828296I'm glad you found ShareX useful. I use it to make my anki cards faster. I have a button on my mouse mapped to take screenshots, one to record audio and one to use OCR, then I paste the text OCR picked up into my browser so I can use Yomitan on it. That way I can make them in less than a minute (provided the OCR doesn't screw up the text and I have to correct it, which it often does. Still faster than making them by hand though.)I'll have to decline on the discord thing, though. Sharing my socials with strangers on a public hentai thread has many ways in which it could end pretty badly.
>>8828629I understand but also bit of a shame. I find you as a cool person to learn with because you seem really cultured and I'm not very active here. Maybe I make in the future another thread updating my progress and we talk again.
>>8828687That's very kind of you to say, thanks. As long as you keep studying, you will surely learn Japanese eventually. 頑張ってね!
>>8828629https://github.com/AuroraWright/owocrowocr is better than shareX OCR. Just set it up so you take screenshot with shareX and owocr reads from it.
>>8823626no such thing. just learn kanji, learning 2000 words which is around 1100 kanji took me 4 months only
>>8829134what can I say, I'm lazy
>>8829195then you should probably pick a different hobby instead
MacArthur was a massive faggot for walking back on forced Romāji.
>>8829214Nah
