It's absolutely insane to me that Spain, as a unified country, was never ruled by an ethnically native Spaniard/Iberian until the emergence of the Spanish Republic. Has this ever happened to any other country?
>>1795105490% of Kings since preRoman times have been native Spaniards. Since Tartessian Kings (Arganthonios), iberians, celts (Coroccota), then some Roman Emperors were hispanus, then the goth kings were also native (since they were born here and ended up forming our identity), Catholic Kings, etc.And that woman is around 80% native Spanish. 100% her mother and her father is around 70% Spanish (he even descends from gothic kings).
>>17951060I said as a unified country, also the goth kings were not native, they were germanic. I said ethnically Iberian, not culturally/identity wise.
>>17951054There's no such thing as native spaniard. Spain was created by visigoths. before that it was roman
>>17951054Russia was ruled by viking's descendants and then by Germans until the revolution.
to be fair does being ruled by a native even matter that much. Like, they still created an empire which common spaniards benefited even if they didn't have real spaniards on top.
>>17951080Goths stopped being germanic once they settled in Dacia, they became Romans.Also, the Iberian ethnicity was just once of many volks of Hispania, Hispania never had an unified people of their own until the XVI century.
>>17951054nobody in europe was, all the kings were inbred fuck who had more in common with each other than with the common folks they ruled over.
>>17951137Was France ruled by ethnic French? they were ruled by the descendent of a Germanic tribe different from the Gallo-Roman peopleAnglos were ruled by Normans, Scots, Welsh and DutchRussians by VikingsThis is actually quite common.
What is the House of Trastamara
>>17951054this is was pretty much common for kingdoms and empires, its why the rise of nationalism did a number on monarchism
>>17951138>Anglos were ruled by NormansYes>Scots, Welsh and DutchRetard
>>17951980You're the retard. The Stuarts and William of Orange.
>>17951060Are you really so delusional you think the visigoths formed ''spanish identity'' lol?
>>17951054In christian europe that was the norm.
>>17951054The English royal were and still are Frenchmen...
The only native Iberians were the moors who the modern Germanic SQUATTERS infesting Iberia today genocidedThe moors were the direct ancestors of the Phoenicians who funded cities like Seville
England was ruled by Normans, Plantagenets, Tudors, Stuarts, Hanoverians, but never an Anglo-Saxon until 1066.
>>17951054>>17951060>>17951080White people originally come from Iberia.
>>17951054Russia
>>17952115you mean german
Egypt has a particularly bad record since the Persians>conquered by Alexander>ended up ruled by Ptolemids after civil war>conquered by Romans>conquered by Arabs>conquered by Fatimids (Kutama berbers from Algeria)>couped by Mamluks (slave soldiers, mostly from the Caucasus)>conquered by Ottomans>Muhammad Ali and his successors, of Albanian origin, break awaypeople called Nasser the first native Egyptian ruler since the Persians, although to be fair some of the foreign Egyptian dynasties had no other territorial base and went native over time
>>17953075wasn't nasser paternally sudanese?
>>17951054>an ethnically native Spaniard/IberianHow were Isabel the Catholic, Ferdinand V, Philip II or Charles III among others not ethnically Spanish you mongoloidEven Charles V and Philip V who were born abroad became ethnically Spanish overtime
>>17953089> Ferdinand VFrench burgundy by lineage.>Philip IIAustrian by lineage>Charles IIIFrench again.>Even Charles V and Philip V who were born abroad became ethnically Spanish overtimeThat's not how ethnicities work you new world lantinx spic mongoloid retard.
>>17953173>ayooo we wuz da spanish kangz n shieeeetBlatant display of low IQ>That's not how ethnicities work you new world lantinx spic mongoloid retard.It literally is you illiterate, ethnicity is related to culture and languagehttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ethnicity
>>17951959a house that came from Burgundy in France.
>>17953186choncho, we know you're a hypocritical faggot that will bring the muh patrilineage argument up at a moment's notice, don't act otherwise
>>17953289I don't. Why are you ascribing false intention to me?>>17953288It's meaningless. Same "French" house were originally Germanic settled in north Italy after emigrating from northern Europe.
>>17951060Sorry, but all the pre-republic samples of Rome and Tuscany are literally J2b-l283, R1b-U152 or R1b-z2103. The middle one is Gallic and came later I believe. At best the Romans were Balkan-Gallic hybrid. Nothing Iberian about them when it comes to YDNA. So really the ancient Romans initially came from the balkans and are paternally related to illyrians and modern Albanians. Suck on it. Get off our land.
>>17954085Hmmm Romans were ackshually Nilotic Bantus.
>>17951054>It's absolutely insane to me that Spain, as a unified country, was never ruled by an ethnically native SpaniardThe Bourbon Dinasty has been living in Spain for 350 years. They have intermarried with Spaniard nobility several times to the point they are more Spaniard than French and have literally cero claim to the French throne. The princess you are posting is literally the daughter of an average Spanish woman who's not even royalYou people are fucking retarded scum and I hope your eyes get fucking carved out with a knife
>>17954100Loads of genetics prove my stance. J2b-l283, R1b-z2103, found in ancient Roman’s before the republic, found in ancient illyrians and myceaneans and found today in highest frequency amongst Albanians. Again at best you can say they were Illyrian-Celtic hybrids but the Romans themselves said they came from the east, which they called Troy. The sister city of Troy was called Dardania according to Homer, Dardania is the Illyrian land of modern day Kosovo. THERE YOU GO.
>>17954105Op is a fucking retardYou can apply the same logic to most European empires and kingdoms
>>17951080Were the goths german? I thought they came from Poland. Same for the vandals.
>>17951092But romans maybe impacted the genetics of less than 2 percent lol. Romans were good at turning non romans into romans. Ditto for the arabs. Most spaniards are a mix of the celts and North africans that inhabited the area. Small amounts of german from the vandals and visigoths.
>>17954727>Were the goths german? I thought they came from PolandFrom Sweden, actually, and more specifically from the Götaland region. Thing that actually made for some weird and funny situations between the Swedes and the Spaniards, like pic related.
>>17955140The Goths who arrived in Spain barely were Swedes by that point
>>17955142Not like Sweden was a thing in those years, to begin with.
>>17951054Think about it, the time when we were the first world power, we were ruled by ourselves. Isabel and Fernando have been, our best and most loved leaders, alongside Franco. All the Hamburg and Bombón bullshit kings have done us nothing but damage.The jewish race has to be destroyed.
>>17952058They really did, morons
>>17955254Spaniards usually say that, but honestly, the bulk of the first independent rulers and "reconquerors" were Hispano-Romans with a mix of Asturs and Basques. And Occitans, if you count the peoples of the Spanish March as well.
>>17952119>The moors were the direct ancestors of the Phoenicians>ancestorsnamefag is confused about the arrow of time.
>>17951054>Spain>unified country>Bourbons>ethnically native Spaniard/IberianI hate this board with passion.
>>17955450Yet you can't disprove those points.
>>17955450Why is this retard having a meltdown about
>>17955341Catalans aren't really the same thing as Occitans
>>17951054>tfw Spain will soon become a Matriarchy with Nordic women at the top of the racial hierarchy and Spanish shitskins at the bottom LMAO
>>17953075Maybe they just don't like fighting.>builds pyramids, farms floodplains, opens bussy for invaders and doesn't afraid>basic life patterns still literally the same as 10,000 BC
>>17953293All European royal houses can trace their origins to the Franks. Charlemagne isn't called the father of Europe for nothing
>>17953173>Austrian by lineageThe Habsburgs would have been irrelevant if not infused with superior Iberian blood
>>17952143>Tudor>when the most iconic "English" dynasty was WelshHumiliation ritual
>>17957613Damn, Henry VIII was an absolute unit of a king.
>>17957571This is true. The Habsburgs would have been kicked out by another upstart dynasty the same way they kicked out the Luxembourgs into irrelevancy if not for all the money they extracted from Spain and its colonies. They basically bribed all the Imperial Electors every time they could plus used the money to modernize the impoverished army they had and to never depend on mercenaries ever again.
>>17957705Ironic that they acquired both Burgundy and Portugal after their leaders died needlessly in battle. That Avis blood made you prone to recklessness
>>17957774Nah, they got uppity because they thought they secured the position of emperorship forever. And they were right, considering they until hold that position until the very end.
>>17958083>Nah, they got uppity because they thought they secured the position of emperorship foreverBeing emperor was more about the prestige than the power. They acquired Burgundy after Charles the Bold died at Nancy and Maximilian married his daughter. They acquired Portugal after King Sebastian died in Morocco and Hungary after Louis II died at Mohacs against the Ottomans. They were probably the luckiest dynasty in Europe. After they lost the war of the Spanish Succession, they shifted their focus to their holdings in Central Europe and after being BTFO by Napoleon, they started the Austro-Hungarian empire. Their final fuck you to Europe was WWI
>>17958154>They were probably the luckiest dynasty in EuropeThose are the Bourbons, their spanish branch only ever had one good king and got couped multiple times, yet they still kept the throne to this day even if they're hated by a 90% of the population
The only good Habsburgs were the spanish ones, Ferdinand I, Charles V and Philip II. They actually protected Europe from the protestant and Muslims, all the others especially after Maria Theresa were a trainwreck
>>17958171>Bourbons, their spanish branch only ever had one good kiPhilip V and Ferdinand VI were both good, Charles III was great. Alfonso XII was good.
>>17958175Yeah, the issue is that the good Bourbons were alright and everything was business as usual, but the bad Bourbons were horrible and a complete disaster for the kingdom.
>>17958171Weren't the Bourbon reforms good for Spain?The Habsburgs had some kino moments, like Lepanto and the Iberian Union, but they lost the Netherlands, mostly due to Philip's autism and bankrupted the empire several times
>>17958185>Weren't the Bourbon reforms good for Spain?Good for the metropole, bad for the colonies. The Bourbons Reforms were the equivalent of the British Intolerable Acts for the Americans and one of the reasons they started to think that the path of independence wouldn't be a bad option.
>>17958183>>17958185>>17958193Even the good ones like Charles III made awful mistakes, banning the jesuits left the colonies borders unprotected and allowed Portuguese expansionism. They also played around too much with borders and that's why the colonies spent more than 100 years after their independence killing each other over border disputes.The reforms were also bad for the metropoli, they're the reason why separatism exists
>>17958173>The only good Habsburg was a bastard
>>17958200I don't what it is about the Spanish monarchy, but after a while they just let unscrupulous, slimy men reach unprecedented levels of power that ultimately leads to disaster
>>17958206>spaniards went to war for Ferdinand VII, a literal retard who rejected every chance he had of saving his empire so he could keep dickriding Napoleon>200 years later they still blame England, Bolivar and San Martin over the lost of their EmpireAmadeus said he left the spanish throne over how fucking retarded the spaniards were. It's a cursed country
>>17951054With one obscure exception (Amadeo I), who was King for about one year in the 1870s, literally all other kings and queens of Spain were ethnically spanish as in either mom or dad was, or both. And mom was because at least her dad or mom was. And dad's mom was, because his dad or mom was. And so on and on. Something that you can't say of many other countries like Sweden (Bernadotte), England (William I, George I), that placed literal foreigners in the throne whose house ruled for centuries.Anyway, the mixing happened much earlier than that. The last purely spanish house was the house of Jimena, with Alfonso VI being the last of it, in the early XII century.
>>17958231They went to war against french occupation of their country you dipshit
>>17958173>all the others especially after Maria Theresa were a trainwrecklol, those weren't even Habsburgs, but from the house of Lorraine
>>17958235Godoy sold out his country for the Algarve, kek
>>17958206This guy was fucking the wife of Charles IV, not even joking. It is said the wife was the one who asked Charles to promote Godoy and that's it.
>>17958247VGH... What could have been...
>>17958202What's with Habsburg bastards being more competent and charismatic than their legitimate half-brothers?than the
>>17958255Northern Lusitania is just Gallaecia, where Portus Cale is
>>17958265Less consanguinityCharles V and Isabella of Portugal were first cousins. The inbreeding goes much further back than people realize
>>17958235Ferdinand VII voluntarily surrendered the crown to Napoleon and even begged him to adopt him as a son.
>>17958277He was the first fanboy
>>17958265They had to fight for that name while the others took it for granted
>>17958277That Ferdinand VII was a shit king don't make foreign occupation any more acceptable
>>17958277So?. In the end, Napoleon tried to flee like a pussybitch, was caught and put in chains, surrendered the crown to Louis, had France raped and ravaged by Russians, Brits, Austrians and Prussians, begged for his life like a coward and died painfully like a cuck in some far away island prison, being the laughing stock of his british captors every single day of his life. Meanwhile, Fernando was celebrating royal banquets as King in Spain.
>>17958362>Meanwhile, Fernando was celebrating royal banquets as King in Spain.True, all of those things happened, but at the cost of him being seen as one of the worse (if not the worst) kings in the history of Spain. And even of the american colonies, on top of that.I don't think that was the kind of legacy he wanted for him and his descendants the moment he was crowned king.
>>17951054>Has this ever happened to any other country?Yes, after Poland moved to elective monarchy (basically a president that has the mandate until death), many foreign kings were selected.
>>17958232>With one obscure exception (Amadeo I), who was King for about one year in the 1870s, literally all other kings and queens of Spain were ethnically spanish
>>17951054>It's absolutely insane to me that Spain, as a unified country, was never ruled by an ethnically native Spaniard/Iberian until the emergence of the Spanish Republic.When I look back at it, it's a shame the Visigoths failed to establish themselves well enough to create a strong state. There was a lot of potential, including creating a domestic ruling dynasty.
>>17958400the visigoths were useless retards and they doomed Spain to become muslim which btw proved to be an improvement.>>17958398Never was king of Spain to properly say, people considered Ferdinand VII as the legitimate monarch
>>17958411>the visigoths were useless retardsThey had their moments
>>17958362>had to be saved by brits>spent the next 200 years seething on how the brits destroyed your empirekek
>>17958427>brits destroyed your empire? It was Bolivar and San Martín, both pure Spaniards.
>>17952119Do they teach this in your Karachi slum?
>>17958400>the VisigothsWhich were just as foreigners as the Berbers and Arabs that followed them. If any, the next Christian dynasties, like the Asturians and the Jimenez, were more native than them.
>>17958398Pepe Botella wasn't King of Spain.
>>17958427Not seething, just acknowledging.
>>17958471I didn't say they weren't foreigners. The fact is however, that they asimilated fast, and formed the ruling elite. Had they created a ruling dynasty, it would be considered native/domestic.
>>17951959The best spanish royal house ever
>>17951054She has great aura, even as a female. Imagine if she had the confidence and intellect to actually take power in the country and make it better. An actual movie plot IRL, the ultimate fantasy.
>>17960129why is she white i thought spain shitskins
>>17960129Nah, everyone around her says she is a spoiled brat.
>>17960859Who, her parents?
>>17951080>>17951060>>17951054>>17958400>>17958471That's a question of who's still native and who's foreign. Maybe only the first WHGs are the natives and everyone after is a foreigner? Probably not. About the Visigoths - if they were genetically similar and they assimilated into the local population very fast, they can easily be considered as non-foreigners.
>>17961320They weren't and I generally consider other spanish dynasties native on virtue of being culturally spanish and having spanish blood even if mixed (but it's true for all europe anyway) but the goths were neither of that.
>>17961320The problem with the Goths is that they more or less did the same shit the Arabs and the Moors did after them, which was to create a small ethnic elite that ruled the rest of the people. It was basically a secret club for very few people.At least the rest of the Iberian dynasties of the Reconquista era were more open about letting people from anywhere to join their ranks.
>>17958431>Pure Iberians fought against the Crown, Bolivar went as far as to order the cruel execution of all Spanish adult males in Colombia who didn't actively support him.Why did the hate run so deep?
>>17957559...and the "Franks" are just "Germans".
>>17951054For the vast majority of English history the monarchs have been non-English. The only 'native' English dynasty was Wessex, they ruled all England for most of the period 927-1066, broken up by Danish rule in 1013-14 and 1016-1042. After that it's been a succession of Norman, French, Scottish, and German dynasties.
>>17951138French are a mix of germanic and gallo-romans anywayAll rules were inbred dysgenics either way
>>17953075Mamluks were 90's Turkicsand there was one Egyptian military dictator who ruled for a short while after the coup'd etat until Abd Al Naser disposed of him so technically he wasn't the first
>>17960129QUEEN
>>17962247>QUEEN
>>17961972Germans were Alemanni, who were beaten by the Franks. The Latin name for Germany comes from this tribe, like Alemagne in French or Alemanha in Portuguese
>>17962853Nah, the Alemanni were one german tribe but not the only ones. There were the Bavarians, the Saxons, the Chatti, and a lot more.
>>17963127Only the Romanized tribes accomplished anything of note, all the others remained backwater barbarians lost to history
>>17963240>Only the Romanized tribes accomplished anything of noteAll of them romanized in some way or another. I mean, when the Franks united the german tribes, they pretty much imposed roman laws and customs over them.
>>17961969It was not more vile than what the French did during the revolution. Bolivar and San Martín were of the same ilk as Robespierre and Danton only that they did their revolution abroad
>>17962018French are largely Gallic, the Germanic admixture outside of Flanders and Alsace, who aren't ethnic french is small in the overall country and almost non existent in the south west.
>>17960226Because she is French.
>>17963715To be fair San Martin was a moderate and wanted to crown Francisco de Paula (Ferdinand VII younger brother) King of Argentina, Chile and Perú but both Buenos Aires and Chile rejected the offer and Ferdinand refused to sent his brother. Bolivar was legit insane and wanted to crown himself Emperor of Colombia, if Perú didn't stopped him he would've tried to annex the rest of South America (except Brazil) and Mexico
>>17963834She's Dutch
>>17963839German actually
>>17963842Franks = Dutch
>>17963839>>17963842>>17963845She's Belgian.
>>17963854There's no Belgian ethnicity. Walloons are French and Flemings are Dutch.
>>17963889there is a belgian ethnicity, anyone from the neighbouring countries recognize it and do not associate much with it
>>17960129very regal look
>>17963834>>17963894She's at least 60% Spanish probably more you retarded niggers
>>17964067The French nobility never interacted, let alone mixed, with the brown masses they ruled over, aside from collecting taxes from them ofc.
>>17964077Her mother is 100% pure spaniard, though
>>17964085She is far too white for this to be true.
>>17951054Most places have monarchs from neighbouring countries due to the propensity to engage in strategic marriage alliances which results in people having claims on each other.
>>17954740Are we sure this is true? I know the romans colonized Gaul, in fact you can argue its the only province they effectively colonized. But are we sure spain is so low?
>>17964077bait, Philipp V already had Spanish blood.
>>17963836>Bolivar fell in love and married a rich girl from Madrid>In Venezuela, her frail body couldn't withstand a tropical disease and died shortly after arriving>Bolivar got hit hard by depression but instead of pointing a gun to himself he decided to end colonial rule by any means necessary. He never remarried.Men will do anything including changing history just to avoid getting some therapy
>>17964800>Philipp V already had Spanish bloodAll of them had, I don't know why that retard thinks the Bourbons were some kind of French supremacists. Hell, Louis XV married a literally who Polish girl with zero political power just because he liked her. If any the Habsburgs were the one who didn't want to marry outside their branches.
>>17965091Yes that's retarded cope. If you read about Philip V he could have abandonned Spain and inherit the throne of France when the war of succesion was going the wrong way but he stood his ground.Even french nationalist historian Jacques de Bainville wrote that he became very quickly a Spaniard. That's how low IQ these people are.
>>17965103Felipe V wasn't a spaniard because he was a FROG (Literaly).
>>17964178Hispania was probably only second to Italia when it came to Romanization
>>17952006Do you know anything about the Stuarts or William of Orange? It appears not
>>17951092Who were the people that lived there before that, retard?
>>17965126And by that I mean, he would get naked and walk on all fours in the palace. The poor man couldn't help it, his wives were the real Queens. A sane man wouldn't have ordered a war against the Country that gave him the spanish crown in the first place.
>>17965141William of Orange was backed by jews
>>17965154Give him a break, his son died
>>17963836The Spanish Bourbons turned what had been the Viceroyalty of Sicily into the Kingdom of Sicily, so that precedent made San Martín optimistic the ruling dynasty could do the same for the American Viceroyalties.
>>17965174He married him to an insane girl, poor Luis.
>>17951054The Goths mixed with the Hispano-Romans, moron. You also posted a half Asturian peasant. moron.This board is filled with zoomers that have never read.
>>17951054Russia has been ruled by Germans and Jews (and other mystery meat ethnics) since the Rurikids died out 300 years ago
>>17965497Are Asturians celtic?
>>17965198>She would appear in public dirty and malodorous, she would refuse to use undergarments, and would try to provoke courtiers by showing her intimate parts in public. She would refuse to touch the food on her table but would then hide away and compulsively gobble down anything that she could put her hands on, whether it was edible or not. Her behaviour seemingly got worse over time. At some point, she developed the custom of cleaning the windows and tiles of the palace using her own clothes: she would leave her courtiers astonished by suddenly undressing in public to clean the windows in the room with her dress.Yeah, she was a nutcase.
>>17965569The Asturs? Yes
>>17951107>>17951138>>17953022>>17962290>>17965538The first Romanovs were 100% slavic stock.
>>17965154>A sane man wouldn't have ordered a war against the Country that gave him the spanish crown in the first place.It was France who declared war firstIt's true that his wives were influentials
>>17965154>>17965629It was actually the Orleans' fault. They were the regents of a baby Louis XV and they had no love for the Bourbons, including Philip V.The first thing Orleans did when he became regent was to weaken the strong state Louis XIV built and waste all the resources of the treasury into countless parties, including orgies, and I am not kidding, because the debauchery of the Orleanist Regency was well documented at the time.
>>17965629Bruh, Spain invaded Italy first. Again, his wife and Alberoni weren't just influential, they were his handlers.>>17965647The Orleans didn't want France to get dragged into another continental war. That would have been a bigger money pit than some parties.
>>17965605maybe, but they were replaced fastnot mention all that conspiracy theories about peter the great
>>17960129After you see how her sister looks like, you realize she really won the genetic lottery.
>>17966246Trvke. Being the uglier sister must suck. Especially when the difference is this stark. And especially when you are celebrities photographed throughout your while life and everyone in the country is thinking how you are the uglier sister.
>>17951054That's because feudalism is tranny garbage
>>17951054Can any Spainanons confirm whether Leonor is set to marry someone? Will she have arranged marriage with some royalty or is there a chance they let her marry a commoner?
>>17966398She'll probably marry some random dude like her father. The bourbon line will end with her at last
>>17966399Like her father did* (with a woman ofc)
>>17966398The Spanish are a bunch of cucks now, so she'll probably marry the prince of Morocco to not lose Ceuta and MelillaThe kino choice would be a Braganza
>>17960129Why would she be better than the politicians?
>>17966394Really weird and obvious when virgins throw stones at glass houses, its like we all know you are ugly and unfuckable but why take your hurt out on other random people?
>>17966544???I wasn't trying to be mean to her just making an (obviously true) observation
>>17966529>Why would she be better than the politicians?At this point a random 4channer would be better. Even if she turns out a bimbo, she's a hot bimbo (which I doubt, her phenotype suggests above average IQ).
>>17966403>Afonso, Prince of BeiraDamn, that's an aryan right there. They would have the most beautiful children out of any royal house in Europe, by far.
>>17951054Royals are usually born in the country they rule over, speak the language natively, strongly identify with their realm, and are white, that most of their ancestors came from elsewhere is meaningless by comparison.
>>17958471that eagle is doing the anime sweat drop thing
>>17965538You mean since the time of the mongols
>>17966969And it's also sad.
>>17966399>The bourbon line will end with her at lastShe will probably be the last monarch of Spain, as well. The fact that they are still a monarchy is a miracle in itself.
>>17966400Felipe should have married some german princess or at least a spanish duchess. He ended marrying a republican divorcee that cheats on him whenever she can, so not really a good decisions on his part.
>>17966794True, it's mostly about culture not blood. It's why the Iberian Union didn't work in the end, even though the Habsburgs were more Portuguese than Castilian
