how was shitty little brown Portugal supposed to conquer all of Africa, east asia, india, mena and (non catholic) Europe, all on its own? Did the pope NOT want Christianity to spread? Why not give France its own homework to colonize? Give a part to Naples, one to the Habsburgs, one to poland, etcetera?
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>>17954705Cum genius on the left
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>>17954705It was just a lil agreement between Spain and Ports with Pope as neutral 3rd spectator/arbitration. Plus, same year as this treaty France was marching around and get involved in the Italian wars.
>>17954705Templar Knights and sephardic jews
>>17954705The pope just wanted the 2 big catholic powers Portugal and Spain to not engage in war against each other the pope wasn't thinking about how Portugal was gonna implement their plans, he just wanted the 2 big catholic powers to not destroy each otheralso>thread about Iberia number 128471368764185681364130948091852346
>>17957345>the 2 big catholic powersSpain was the 2nd biggest Catholic power and Portugal was like the 10th biggest.
OP is a faggot.
>>17954705That was not the point of the treaty retard. It just meant that any newly discovered non-Christian land would be either part of Portugal or Spain, depending on which side of the globe it was discovered
>>17957462no, there was a period in time where Portugal and Spain where the 2 major European powers, they literally kickstarted the european age of discovery and got ahead of everyone elseLiterally the first Europeans to circumvent Africa, reach India by sea, reach Japan and make meaningful contact with the Americas (sorry vikangs) every other european power did not have the navy, the tech and the maps to compete, where too far from the Atlantic, where too busy fighting the ottomans or sperging out about the proper way to worship sky daddyit was only after Portugal and Spain established themselves that the Brits, French and Dutch started to jump into the game of global empiresFor the pope, it was important that these 2 catholic nations, especially 2 nations that brought pride to the Christian world by pushing the arabs back, not kill each other and instead spread Christianity throughout the world and attack the enemies of Christianity like with the constant battles between the portuguese and the ottomans
>>17954705France actually did have ‘France Antartique’ in Brazil but the Portuguese ran them out and also the Portuguese colonies tended to be actual settlers whereas the French one was essentially a prison colony for Huguenots and other undesirable Protestants.
>>17957493The treaty was written in 1494 you dumb spic, they had just started establishing colonies.
Portugal had already been sending ships to Africa for over 70 years, while France and the Habsburgs were still getting the hang of sailing.
>>17957522>they had just started establishing colonies.yeah, they were already far ahead of the other european powers, retard
>>17957529You didn't say they were the most "far ahead" powers, you said they were the biggest and the most major powers, implying they were at that time the largest in power or population which just isn't true.
>>17957554yes, when the Pope made the 2 nations sign the agreement, they had not yet reached the peak of their power, but both countries, especially Portugal, had already been enacting their plans overseasIt was clear at this point that these 2 countries were onto something that no other nation in europe was tapped in at the moment
>>17957493Only a mentally deranged spic would claim moortugal was number 2 european powerPoland alone without Lithuania would absolutely wreck them let alone actual players like England, Austria and France
>>17957729maybe on land, but not on sea
>>17957729>Poland alone would abs-ACK!you can talk about the history of the world without talking about Polandyou can't talk about the history of the world without talking about the age of discovery Portugal and Spain have, for better or worse, shaped and left a mark on the modern world and its historyPoland has like, some cool video games
>>17957554Who was ahead of them? Even if the age of exploration just started it was enough to see they got ahead. France instead of investing in maritime exploration was embroiled in losing wars in Italy, wars that they lost against Spain as it happen
>>17957729Spain who was more powerful than all of them was regularly defeated by Portugal so this is factually wrong. Keep seething.
>>17957729>AustriaFirst, there was no AustriaSecond, why would they attack their family?
>>17957738This is why Columbus only had a couple of shitty shipshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guinea
>>17954705The year is 1494The Holy Roman Emperor is half-Portuguese and his children will soon marry into the Spanish royal familyFrance had no shipsNaples was part of the Crown of AragonPoland was doing something, somewhere...England had just emerged from the War of the Roses and Henry VII was still consolidating his power
>>17958157France lost against a coalition that included basically all of Italy aswell as Spain, the HRE, and England. That such a large coalition was needed to defeat them just tells you how powerful they were, that they were the top dogs of Europe at the time is really undisputable.And before colonization Portugal was certainly weaker than the likes of England, Poland-Lithuania, and the HRE, and arguably weaker than Hungary, Burgundy, the Kalmar Union, and Naples.
>>17959342>France lost against a coalition that included basically all of Italy aswell as Spain, the HRE, and England. That such a large coalition was needed to defeat them just tells you how powerful they were, that they were the top dogs of Europe at the time is really undisputable.Only Spain and a few Italian states really did anything meaningful if you actually look into and the French were thoroughly rapedIt's like claiming Spain was stronger than France in the 1720s because they fought a war against them while they were in a coalition with the Dutch, British and HRE which is btw far more overwhelming that the coalition France faced in Italy>And before colonization Portugal was certainly weaker than the likes of England, Poland-Lithuania, and the HRE, and arguably weaker than Hungary, Burgundy, the Kalmar Union, and Naples.None of these could defeat Spain yet Portugal did multiple times ergo they were inferior to Portugal
>>17959435>Only Spain and a few Italian states really did anything meaningful if you actually look into and the French were thoroughly rapedThe war basically resulted in status quo ante bellum which is not what I would call "thoroughly raped".>It's like claiming Spain was stronger than France in the 1720s because they fought a war against them while they were in a coalition with the Dutch, British and HRE which is btw far more overwhelming that the coalition France faced in ItalyFrance would try its luck in Italy just a year later, next time Spain tried to reclaim its territories after the War of the Quadruple Alliance was 13 years later in the War of the Polish Succession and unlike in 1718 this time they had France as an ally instead of enemy.>None of these could defeat Spain yet Portugal did multiple times ergo they were inferior to PortugalPortugal wouldn't defeat Spain, or even fight a war against Spain, until the Restoration War that started 146 years after Tordesillas was signed and which just so happened to coincide with the Thirty Years War during which Spain was preoccupied with alot of other enemies.
>>17959474>The war basically resulted in status quo ante bellum which is not what I would call "thoroughly raped"."Result Victory for the League of Venice">Portugal wouldn't defeat Spain, or even fight a war against Spain, until the Restoration War that started 146 years after Tordesillas was signed and which just so happened to coincide with the Thirty Years War during which Spain was preoccupied with alot of other enemies.Retarded baboon we were talking about the late 15th century where the treaty of Todesillas was signed>France would try its luck in Italy just a year laterYes and they won only because Spain wasn't involved. When Spain got involved again in the third war they get demolished, and so are you right now pathetically trying to cope your way out of this after you just said something deeply retarded
>>17959490>"Result Victory for the League of Venice"A war that results in status quo ante bellum is a victory for the defending side, yes, but if they aren't able to press any demands upon the enemy then you cannot call it a "rape".>Retarded baboon we were talking about the late 15th century where the treaty of Todesillas was signedSo what war are you refering to? The War of the Castillian Succession which was a Castillian civil war that the pro-Portuguese side lost?>Yes and they won only because Spain wasn't involved. When Spain got involved again in the third war they get demolishedFrance only made peace because the HRE threatened to intervene.
>>17959514>A war that results in status quo ante bellum is a victory for the defending sideSo France, greatest power in Europe, couldn't win a simple war against a severely underpopulated Spain and a couple of Italian city states?>So what war are you refering to? The War of the Castillian Succession which was a Castillian civil war that the pro-Portuguese side lost?Anon just posted one here >>17958549>in b4 it's a single battleIt was throughout destruction of the Castillan navy, I'm not saying the Portuguese were superior to Spain for obvious demographic reasons, only that they could be their match, the only in europe at that with vaguely france>France only made peace because the HRE threatened to intervene.Absolute cope, their army was thoroughly destroyed at Cerignola and Garigliano and France ceded Naples to Spain. It was a utter defeat on every aspect, military overwhelmed, politically humiliated and with that came major territorial loss. You're going to argue that still by then France was ahead of Spain when they obviously weren't; when Spain brand fresh pike & shot tactics was evidently far superior?
>>17959533>couldn't win a simple war against a severely underpopulated Spain and a couple of Italian city states?Plus the HRE and England, yes.>it's a single battleIndeed it was, one single battle part of the Castillian civil war that I just mentioned which Portugal and its Castillian allies lost.>Absolute copeStill true though.
>>17958545It did exist. Land called Duchy of Eschtrych/Östareich.
>>17959591>Plus the HRE and EnglandCome on, they were not directly involved in the Italian front>Indeed it was, one single battle part of the Castillian civil war that I just mentioned which Portugal and its Castillian allies lost.But they still crippled Spain by destroying its navy, something France was never able to achieve (i mean crippling in general)The argument was that Spain and Portugal were the greatest, most dynamic kingdom of Christianity when the treaty of Tordesillas was signed and you failed to disprove that, you only made vague assertions not backed by any evidences whatsoever. You lost and this conversation end here.
>>17959664>Come on, they were not directly involved in the Italian frontThey were directly involved in the war and that's what matters.>But they still crippled SpainIf they did then they would have won the war, but they lost.>this conversation end hereI accept your concession.
>>17959715>have won the war, but they lost.No they didn't, Isabel and Ferdinand lied about the outcome, the battle of Toro ended in a stalemate. The Portuguese had already BTFO them in the Atlantic Ocean and they had to pay out their ass in the treaty of Alcáçovas, the predecessor of Tordesillas
>>17954705The autistic making these threads is a Brazilian. His ex-gf moved to Portugal and became a prostitute there. She earns more in a day than he does in a month
