>Amidt the calls of some extremists who advocated the total absorption of Mexico as US territory, Calhoun said in an 1846 speech on the Senate floor, "To conquer all of Mexico would not avail us. We have never dreamed of admitting into our union large numbers of anything but the free race, the white race. The greater part of Mexico's population is comprised of the Indian races and the remainder chiefly of mixed tribes. I protest against such an abomination as that."[2]
based he said what others wouldnt
Reminder Henry Clay wanted him to be his running mate This was after Calhoun betrayed the two Presidents under which he was Vice President
>>17960435Henry clay was a criminal
>>17960401Strange how such a powerful personality looks like an amphibian. Strange. Anyways he was right.
>>17960467>>17960409>>17960401is this gonna be another steal "Pajeets raus!" thread? it better not be.
>>17960435Henry Clay/John Calhoun were both War Hawk Democrats in their early political years, and quite close political allies. It was only later on that Henry Clay became a Whig. Calhoun's politics never really changed much throughout his life.
>>17960620Calhoun yet unlike most Southerners disliked the Mexican War.
>>17960627Yes he was a southern whig. Most of his relevancy was from his prediction of another secession crisis over the divvying of land won from Mexico. Helter skelter
>>17960632Calhoun was a Democrat. The South was more complicated vis a vis the Democrat vs Whig thing, however, because the real divide was between herrenvolk democrats and Terdium Quids--- basically out and out Fitzhugh-style reactionaries ---but the Terdium Quids jumped around from Democrat to Whig trying to do Trotskyist like entryism into both parties. >>17960627He did oppose the war, yes, he opposed annexation most of all though.
>>17960620American politics went through a wholesale furniture rearrangement in the 1820s and it resulted in such thing as James Buchanan, a Federalist in his youth, ending up as a Jacksonian Democrat.
>>17960640>>17960627Perhaps he sensed what others could not which is that the Southwest was not useful for plantation agriculture and would never become slave states.
>>17960644It's not really hard to understand when you realize the federalists threw a complete tantrum during the war of 1812 and started the second great awakening. Oddly enough centered around that fucking canal they built
>>17960644This is why I somewhat admire Calhoun's consistency throughout his life. Also, his Disquisitions is probably the best written book about actual federalism ever written. Yada yada slavery yada yada yeah I get it.
>>17960657Ignore the redundant "ever written" please and thanks.
>>17960648>Perhaps he sensed what others could not which is that the Southwest was not useful for plantation agriculture andSo they thought then, no one yet thought of California's potential for growing cash crops.
>>17960657>Yada yada slavery yada yada yeah I get it.Dude this is 4chan, you don't have to apologize for liking history here
>>17960653Until the 1820s most secession talk came from New England rather than the South.
>>17960664The South and North, at least the Northeast, should have just separated at the start. Even without slavery its clear that Southern republicanism and Northern republicanism were just fundamentally different projects.
Couldn't they just reduce the Mexicans to a serf class with no vote and admit only the lightskin Castizos to citizenship to rule over them as feudal landlords?
>>17960664Yes I know. The north hated the south so much. Jefferson's embargo snapped their souls in half, the lack of money coming into their newly created canal devastated the settlers and they created the second great awakening. Out of this was in part a deep seated hatred of the south almost spiritually. Talk about mindbroken. These cultists then went on to become the radical abolitionists
>>17960668>and admit only the lightskin Castizos to citizenship to rule over them as feudal landlords?Given the typical American attitude towards Catholics at the time I'm going to go with a no.
>>17960648The Southwest mightn't have been useful for plantation agriculture, but it was, and still is, very useful for cattle farming which was the second economy of the South outside plantation economy. The Cattle Kingdom died not long after the Cotton Kingdom.
>>17960667not entirely fair I live in Pennsylvania and this state was outside Philly always Democrat territory in the antebellum era, in the 1824 election Andrew Jackson was the only presidential candidate to ever sweep all counties in the state.
Outside that the War of 1812 and the Mexican War were largely Southern undertakings and they provided most of the volunteer troops and enthusiasm for the war.
>>17960683Pennsylvania is a northeastern state that somehow isn't northeastern. Lots of connections with the South historically too, via the Great Wagon Road. New England-New York area was pretty radically divergent from the South/West though.
>>17960688right which is why not letting them have any of the territory of it was such a huge snub
>>17960401Calhoun is on a level of Based that even the most Reactionary White American can't even fathom today because of how degenerated we are.This dude equated teaching languages besides American English as the equivalent of Race-Treason, even though the languages being proposed and taught were all European ones.All of his prophecies about what would happen if the Abolitionists won have been proven right.The Iron Man is immortal and will remain so - in fact I predict he will be beloved by future generations who aren't even related to him for his erudition far more than any Americans alive today do.He is an absolute Ascended Chad-God. Besides, just look at this dude's profile. Bro is absolutely Looks-Maxxing so effortlessly it's unreal.I would actually commit heinous crimes to be able to watch him deliver a speech and hear his voice in all it's power.
>>17960683Philadelphia was a Federalist island and the home of the Bank of the United States, one part of Jackson's war against the Bank was removing this outpost of Federalism.
>>17960717>>17960706Federalist strength was mostly in cities and to an extent small states like New Jersey and Delaware as they imagined a powerful national government was needed to protect them from bullying by the large states.
>>17960711This might all be true but slavery was still kinda stupid. But I understand that it wasn't something that could be solved easily without immensely large sums of money for repatriation though.
>>17960743yeah the north would rather kill its own people than have to pay them what they're due
>>17960767I agree. They should have ponied up and helped pay for deportation, their refusal to do so was very hypocritical.
>>17960620>Calhoun's politics never really changed much throughout his life.M8 Calhoun basically created the War Department and the Federal Army, and ended his career as a nullifier and states right defender. He did the greatest 180° turn of all the politicians of that time.It's funny because the Southern States were influenced by Calhoun's thought while doing Seccession, but Calhoun's actions in the war of 1812 helped a lot their loss against the Union
>>17960401It was for the best. Oh thank God in heaven the U.S halted it's expansion into the Americas when it did.
>>17961415Calhoun was a War Hawk Democrat, he supported both the war department and a federal army and states rights. These were his positions his entire life, he was defending the idea of New England secession when a student.
>>17962313Right he was an American imperialist
>>17960401Based Calhoun
>>17962313>he was defending the idea of New England secession when a student.No. His teacher from New England was defending that, and Calhoun opposed him
>>17962360Yes, his teacher changed his mind and he later defended it. He started supporting the legality of secession in the late 1810s. Again, his politics didn't change. He was a War Hawk Dem his whole life.
>In order to have some context for the Nullification Crisis, it has to be understood that Americans of the 1830s did not have the same view of the Constitution modern America does. At a time when the drafting of the Constitution was still in living memory and many politicians had personally known its authors, it was not quite viewed as the sacred document it is today, rather a compromise document no one had been entirely satisfied with, and which South Carolina considered a compact that they could opt out of if they so chose.
>>17962462Nobody talks about Jefferson losing his shit during Adam's presidency and telling every state in the union if they thought something the government was doing was unconstitutional that they should secede
>>17962476Or sorry "nullify" it. Basically ignore the federal government if they get uppity
>>17962462The Nullification Crisis was more likely than not simply bluster on South Carolina's part to force Congress's hand on lower tariffs, the state almost certainly didn't believe they could take on the rest of the country by themselves, nor did they make any war preparations.
>>17962605Secession wasn't a guarantee of war. Secession is probably the only possibly legal form of rebellion.
>>17962610in that instance however Andrew Jackson made very clear that war would be the result of any state seceding
>>17962615People forget that Jackson was just a grognard that got financially burned by the shifty Jewish types and decided to crush the bank
>>17962610Also look at the Soviets. I guess if there's one thing they can be applauded for it's the bloodless secession of power in the 90's.
Unlike Lincoln's call for peace and reconciliation after the Civil War was over, Jackson would not have hesitated to simply hang the ringleaders of any rebellious state from a tree.
>>17960668Gee, I wonder where that would have gone wrong later. We did have a serf class with no vote and a light-skinned class of educated individuals to rule over them - the blacks. Now they think they're people and drag down our statistics in every field of endeavor.We really just needed European-style colonies that we used for unapologetic wealth extraction. We didn't need any more ruling class and we really didn't even need the unwashed brown hordes for labor.
>>17962633Jackson was a populist politician you cant expect people to believe he would betray his entire voting bloc and kill the representatives of the slave economy that elected him
>>17962643All the same, 1830 was not 1860. At that time loyalty to the national government was a lot stronger in the South than it became later on. Jackson was extremely popular in the South and none of SC's neighbors would have backed them up if they seceded.
