All the "evidence", Josephus, Tacitus, is people 100 years after the fact quoting old rumors they heard about. We don't even have their original manuscripts to check if it corrupted by later Christians to sneak Jesus in there.If Jesus existed, and had crowds of thousands observing him, why didn't the population document it? There's no birth certificate, no records that show Mary and Joseph existed, no census records, no letters from the governor, no letters from the Emperor, no Sanhedrin reports, no execution reports, nothing. Only religious propaganda writings by cultists decades after he supposedly lived.It sounds like a celestial mystery cult like Mithraism that later became historicized.
Monotheist, apocalyptic preaching in Judea was certainly not uncommon during that time. Furthermore, Paul’s letters reference a real crucifixion.
Yeah I got tricked by the Josephus tacitus scam Christ cultists love to pullI actually read it one day and it amounted to "oh there's a growing cult in Rome called christians and worship a guy who got crucified"Which is nowhere near validating the gospels or Jesus life or existence or miracles lmao
>>17962084>There's no birth certificate, no records that show Mary and Joseph existed, no census records, no letters from the governor, no letters from the Emperor, no Sanhedrin reports, no execution reports, nothingYou conveniently left out the King James Bible. Man, I am so glad Hell exists for trash like you. Enjoy burning.
>>17962761I forgot King James was there to witness and write it all down
>>17962761>KJBI included it right here:>Only religious propaganda writings by cultists decades after he supposedly lived.
>>17962084Based and BDC pilled. Jesus didn't existJesus didn't existNo jew in the skyNo flying rabbiJesus didn't exist
>>17962827>>17962833>>17962836Those flames just got hotter. :)
>>17962726>Paul’s letters reference a real crucifixion.Paul never mentions any details about it. He never mentions Pontius Pilate. Was it a real crucifixion or a crucifixion in the sky?
>>17962843He says Jesus was hung on a tree.On the moon?
>>17962847But also Paul never saw the crucifixion, he just heard stories of it.
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>>17962726>Paul’s letters reference a real crucifixionMore like a celestial or spiritual crucifixion.Paul says that Jesus was crucified by the ruler of this age> We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.Who is the god of this age according to Paul? It's satan>4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.So according to Paul, Jesus was crucified by satan and his demons.
>>17962726>Paul’s letters reference a real crucifixionPaul says Jesus was crucified by the rulers of this age/world in 1 Corinthians 2:8 (archons of this aeon, and archons is a term which definitely in Ephesians and probably in Colossians and one place in Romans refers to wicked powerful spiritual beings, not humans, as Gnostics used the word). And the word translated as crucified isn't as highly specific of a word in the Greek as the English. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stauros).Perhaps the most explicit earthly description of Jesus' death in Paul's mostly-accepted-as-authentic letters is from 1 Thessalonians 2, where it's said "...the Jews who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets and drove us out; they displease God and oppose everyone..." with no mention of Romans, though the passage containing it is decently widedly accepted to be an interpolation (https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17547).And that Paul is talking about Jesus being crucified at all isn't a guarantee that it had to have been an earthly event. After all, Prometheus was supposedly punished by Zeus (who might be thought of as an archon) by being chained to a rock and having his liver eaten repeatedly by an eagle (supposedly in the Caucasus Mountains?), which is a very specific punishment, though surely mythical. There may even have been a well-known painting depicting Prometheus as crucified around the time of Jesus, as a variation on his punishment. https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/19053>Seneca remarks that “Prometheus was tortured for the sake of men,” a sentiment that will sound eerily familiar to a Christian today. Burials didn't have to happen on earth either, since Adam wasn't buried on earth according to the Revelation of Moses, which is from around the time of Jesus: https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16930
>>17962915>>17962919Thank you, Dr. Carrier AI
>>17963185You're welcome. It isn't often that we educational AI bots get any appreciation here.
>>17962919I actually messed up a bit here because, as I said in parentheses, Prometheus was said to have been punished on earth, though I only had a fuzzy memory of that and thought to double check it after I had already written most of the comment. So I should have said that Jesus being described as crucified doesn't necessarily mean the event had to be non-mythical. Maybe an obvious point, but I wasn't sure exactly how the anon I was replying to inferred that Jesus' crucifixion was definitely "real" (presumably meaning historical) from Paul.
Yeah if all the first born sons in Egypt were killed don’t you think they would have recorded it and converted?
>>17962084Juba II adopted his youngest son to Mary & Joseph after having sent a messenger/angel to her during the pregnancy, and helped the old Elizabeth conceive what would become the heir of the Oannes priesthood, because he was a botanist that knew medicine. When Mary told Elizabeth that she had been told that she would also become a mother, Elizabeth realized who it was that had also helped her conceive in her old age and decided to name the baby John in honor of Oannes/YHWH, because of the good news brought by Mary."Juba" itself literally means messenger/dove/river of good news.
>>17962743The issue with Christianity is always that it relies on you believing a specific historic event occurred that was not believed by anyone but 12 people in the whole of Jerusalem, despite the Bible stating thousands of others returned to life and entered the city coming explicitly for Jesus (Matthew 27)
>>17964061oh yeah islam is so much better with NO witness at all besides mohammed in a cave
>>17962843>>17962915>>17962919Paul's letters were meant to be theological rather than historiographical.
