>communism has never wor-ACK
>>17963189the soviet union is a better example of communism working because china was a shithole until the opening up and reform, while the soviet union developed strongly through strictly socialist means If it wasn't for gorbachev being a huge pussy and refusing to kill boris yeltsin and the class enemy the soviet union would still be around. The collapse of the Soviet bloc was a disaster for most regions except the Baltics and Central Europe
>>17963195>Posts a Soviet computer to prove the pointlmaoThe USSR was over a decade behind the West in computer technologies when it collapsed. That's directly attributable to the centralized economy making no room for any ideas or technology that could shake up local industries and potentially result in them missing targets. The party itself was also an obstacle since different institutes controlled different segments of the production line and wouldn't cooperate with rival institutes even if it would've benefited everyone.This is just one example, but this story was repeated in every sector in every Communist country.
>>17963189If the Soviet Union accepted limited private property like China did after Deng Xiaoping's opening up, similar to continuing down the path of the NEP like Bukharin suggested. World history would have turned out much differentlyThe Soviet Union was much more educated and advanced in technology than China at the same time. Unfortunately, their ideology after Stalin prohibited this. They didn't want to continue down the path of state capitalism to continue developing the means of production but only strictly through state-controlled means.
>China is communistYou can literally a landlord in China, today. As in owning and renting multiple homes/apartments. Now, it would be a surprise to me to learn that being a landlord is now condoned in a communist country (especially after Mao and all), but perhaps it is.
>>17963208Meanwhile native Chinese cpu's are literally equivalent to 2001 Taiwanese ones, atleast the soviets developed stuff NATIVELY without having to copy the decadent west lmao
ked.It has never worked.
>>17963335The post-Stalin period was the greatest fumbling of the proverbial bag that any nation has done thus far. The NEP in the immediate aftermath of the Russian Revolution would not have been sustainable, but returning to it after Stalin would have saved the Soviet Union.
>>17963360They're too busy with thorium reactors, hypersonics and better robotics. Lots of things in china the west is not capable ofAlso Taiwan is part of china
>>17963384Ah yes, the wonder weapons they have never allowed western observers to examine, totally are capable of what they claim lmao And didnt some chink robotics company get caught remote controlling a robot they showcased? lmao
>>17963189>nationalist socialism has never wor-ACK
>>17963189COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>17963189To be marxist imo you need to adhere to 2 axiomatic notions : alienation & socialized economy.China only follows one. It has socialized the means of production, directed production towards national goals & tried through economic intervention to innovate for the chinese nation.Nonetheless, China doesn't care about the marxist notion of alienation. The chinese aren't producing for themselves, aren't freely choosing the job they want within the optics of demand and qualifications, and aren't deciding for themselves how to operate their production.You could say it's some form of socialism but it's only marxist in that it follows certain doctrines of marx, not in that it analyzes the world through the lens of marxist ideology.>>17963208>This is just one example, but this story was repeated in every sector in every Communist country.No, this didn't "repeat in every sector". This only really happened in the consumable goods sector and in technological innovation because soviet marxism-leninism was terrible at adjusting for demand efficiently and at creating innovations without an incentive-based system.If you look today at essential sectors like housing, healthcare, railways etc you'll see that socialist systems work much more efficiently than market-based ones.Most of the "welfare" model of post-war Europe is actually based on communists measures who socialized entire sectors because of the overwhelming part that they played in resisting nazi germany and thus had popular support. Norway's oil, France's healthcare, Denmark's housing, Germany's roads etc. In sectors where demand is predictable, socialism tends to meet the needs more efficiently.>inb4 they require taxesMost only have minimal tax inputs and could run without taxes. The expansion of the socdem welfare state based on taxes came after.>>17963335>>17963377They didn't even need the NEP, all they had to do was to shift from a quantity-based model to a price-based model (like Lange's one).
>>17963572you're right. it didn't
China is closer to national socialism than communism
>>17963189China's economic growth only took off after they ditched communism and allowed markets dude.
>>17963817more like it only took off when their population started rising because relative to their population their economy is actually trash because they're still commies
>>17963572>China is ackshoaly NaziIncredible. You faggots are losing so hard you have to delude yourselves into believing1. Niggersocialists didn't lose2. Communism isn't winning
>>17963826Communism should be understood purely as a Russian phenomenon.Chinese society has little to nothing in common with the Soviet Union
>>17963195Lmao no, China is the only Communist country that is somewhat sucessfull. USSR and its backwardness is the sole reason why people think communism is a failed ideology.
>>17963837The Chinese are simply better communists than the Russians and the latter didn't even come up with the idea. It's like saying capitalism doesn't work at all because some nigger politicians in Africa can't manage an economy in a nation of less than one million people.
>>17964784They're better communists because they don't actually follow communism.
>>17963837Russians failed the marxist mission numerous times. They allowed privatization and private ownership way too early in the revolution. That's because they have a criminological, narcissistic, low IQ origin.Chinese society is Chinese. They have implemented marxist thought so well in their country that their society does not have to compensate for that with state terror to instill communist pride in their society. That's why they still celebrate their own people's culture.
>>17964798China isn't trying to abolish money or nation-states. Therefore it's not communist even philosophically let alone practically
>>17964793>it's not real communismcan't tell if left or right cope
>>17964811Communism entails abolishing money, private property, and eventually the nation-state itself. China clearly isn't communist and unlike the Soviet Union it doesn't even pretend to be working towards it
>>17963384Wake me up when they get any of that shit you claim they have.
>>17963189China converted to capitalism during the Deng Xiaoping era. Before that they were basically a failed state because of Maoist communism.
It left China poorer than sub saharan Africa until Deng adopted capitalism with just the communist party in political charge
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