How do they cope with being mass raped by Bell beakers and Urnfielders?Spaniards can claim to be more related to them than to neolithic population but Italians and Greeks how do they cope
>>17963521Correction : for Greece it wasnt Bell beakers and Urnfielders, at first I intended to make this thread solely about Italy
Bell Beakers lost hard in Italy.
>>17963531No they achieved complete victory but their half mongrel offspring got later colonized by greeks
why would we care
>>17963536Bell Beakers were 95-100% R1b. East Med admixture is male-biased.
>>17963541Ok but this happened far later>>17963538You always boast about muh j2
>>17963557I'm not the greekjeet. You're back to being angry at Italians I take it?
J2 Aegeans invaded and raped Bell Beakers, Corded Ware, and Urnfielders to death in Italy, Greece, and the Balkans.>Italy_MesolithicI2.>Italy_NeolithicG2a majority with I2, E1b1b, R1b, etc.>Italy_BAMass Bell Beaker migration into Italy. R1b becomes the majority. >Italy_IA J2 invasion and rape of Bell Beaker women. Destruction of R1b majority. G2a, I2, E1b1b begin to recover.
>>17963592>I2outside of Sardinia, those are Germanic subclades of I2 and not EEF ones
I just checked your twitter account because I suspected you reactivated based on the fact that you made a thread about Italians here. Arbogast is Anglo, he's not Italian. Stop jumping to conclusions.
>>17963521https://discord.gg/6kQsvu4r
>>17963607I did not make this thread lol and I'm not mad at Italians I just corrected his moronic argument.
>>17963607Link
>>17963617@iberogermanic2, i'm the 1/8th Spanish 7/8th french dudeBTW for >>17963607 I did not make this thread nor any anti italian thread up atm on /his/ and haven't made one in like over a month.Don't get me wrong I still think you lot are sus but I shifted priorities and I don't see many Italians shitting on Spaniards like it was the case some months ago so there's no reason for me to attack you either
>>17963521>Spaniards can claim to be more related to them than to neolithic populationIberians were raped by Africans and Bell Beakers that replaced their paternal lineages but Spaniards are not similar to either. Most of their ancestry is from Neolithic Spain.
>>17963669No most of Iberian ancestry is derived from the Bell Beakers. BBs were already heavily ANF>Iberians were raped by AfricansItaly and Greece which famously were never invaded by non europeans
>>17963676>No most of Iberian ancestry is derived from the Bell BeakersThat's btw the reason Iberians are so northern shifted compared to Italians and Greeks on PCA
>>17963676Spain and Portugal were raped by Africans and have E1b1a, not just E1b1b and J1 and R1b haplogroups that raped their women. Iberians are mostly ANF. Bell Beakers were not.Iberians have North African and sub-Saharan African admixture. Bell Beaker did not.>>17963681Cope.
>>17963691>Iberians are mostly ANF. Bell Beakers were not.Retard kun I did not say that Iberians were pure BBs just that they objectively mainly derivate their ancestry from the BBs who invaded Iberia. It's not that difficult to understand.
>>17963697Iberians mainly derivate their ancestry from the Neolithic Iberian population, retard.Here is an actual study proving you were raped.>the replacement of 40% of Iberia’s ancestry and nearly 100% of its Y-chromosomes by people with Steppe ancestry.Only 40% of Iberian ancestry is from the Bell Beakers while 60% of Iberian ancestry is local and African.But all of the Iberians paternal lineages come from Africans and Bell Beakers.
>>17963706Yes and today it's only 60%. Bell Beakers were matriarchal cuckolds. Their descendants are all feminist cucks. It's not a coincidence.
>>17963710These "matriarchal cuckolds" literally raped you into carrying their paternal lineages and not your own.Even though most of your DNA is Iberian EEF.
>>17963657there is nothing suspicious you're just too paranoid of conspiracy>>17963710>Their descendants are all feminist cucks.because Italic tribes were so well known for being extremely feminist and matriarchal
>>17963706Retard, by then the Iberian ethnogenesis had not fully taken place. The IE ancestry continued to increase later.Modern Iberians are 30+% steppe I remind you.
>>17963726do they know what actually caused the increase yet? that's a serious question, it was still unsolved last I checked and I want to know if they made any progress towards finding the answer
>>17963720Hi north Italian anon
>>17963716Symptom of a feminist society. Dozens of different women sharing a single Chad chieftain instead of having arranged marriages.
>>17963726Shut the fuck up retard.Iberians are mostly 20% Yamnaya. Northern Italians are the ones that are 30% and 40% Yamnaya.Not African raped Iberians.
>>17963731I don't really know either but it's there regardless.>>17963739>Iberians are mostly 20% Yamnaya.not even basques are that low on average lmao
>>17963741Iberians are in the 20's, retard.Northern Italians are in the 30's and 40's.
>>17963592>>17963541Why do shitskins pretend J2 ever exceeded 1/3 of Italians and Greeks at its regional maximum?The majority of these people have always been native Europeans and they regularly mowed down J2w shitskins in their eastern forays.
>>17963755Mycenaean and Ancient Greeks were 100% J2 and their slaves were I2, J1, and R1b.
>>17963755Mega cope. J reaches 45%%+ in Central Italy and has the highest correlation with Roman colonies. R1betas are confined to cuck Gallic lands in the North.
>>17963741>>17963753Target: Spanish_ExtremaduraDistance: 2.9120% / 0.0291196155.8 Greece_Peloponnese_N26.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya12.8 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG5.4 Morocco_IberomaurusianTarget: Spanish_AndaluciaDistance: 3.2190% / 0.0321895156.8 Greece_Peloponnese_N24.8 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya13.8 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG4.6 Morocco_IberomaurusianTarget: PortugueseDistance: 3.0657% / 0.0306574155.6 Greece_Peloponnese_N26.2 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya12.6 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG5.6 Morocco_Iberomaurusian
>>17963778bad model
>>17963778>>17963783Target: Spanish_ExtremaduraDistance: 2.9557% / 0.0295567545.2 Spain_C38.6 France_BellBeaker6.8 Morocco_Iberomaurusian5.4 Georgia_Kotias.SG4.0 Iran_GanjDareh_NTarget: Spanish_AndaluciaDistance: 2.9920% / 0.0299198547.4 Spain_C37.4 France_BellBeaker6.6 Georgia_Kotias.SG4.8 Morocco_Iberomaurusian3.8 Iran_GanjDareh_NTarget: PortugueseDistance: 2.9177% / 0.0291767644.4 Spain_C39.6 France_BellBeaker7.0 Georgia_Kotias.SG6.0 Morocco_Iberomaurusian3.0 Iran_GanjDareh_N
>>17963592There's no E1b1b in Italy_Neolithic, this hg was brought by Phoenician and Moroccan rapists.
>>17963799E1b1b found in farmers across Neolithic Europe.
>>17963796you fucking coon how many times do I have to tell you that Iberian BBs did not came from France but central europe?
>>17963816Cope.
>>17963823I accept your concession
>>17963853Cope.
>>17963521>UrnfieldersIt was the opposite! There's an Iberian "urnfield" sample and to your dismay they look like thisLOL
>>17963868It's over
>>17963766It's clear that J2 is the haplo of civilization and the 2 countries who had the most of it built the greatest civilizations in Europe while the guys who were thoroughly replaced by the invading IE churkas remained as primitive barbarians shitting in mudhuts for millennia
>>17963868>>17963870OP obliterated Bell beakers Iberian had even 0% steppe kek
>>17963871Then why were Spain and Portugal primitive barbarians shitting in mudhuts despite being EEF.Nordic Bronze Age was more advanced than brown African Iberian mutts.
>>17963868How much steppe?
>>17963875Excess WHGjeet ancestry which is extremely dysgenic and subhuman.
>>17963878What about the Berber and sub-Saharan ancestry in Spaniards and Portuguese?
>>17963766no terrone, j2 doesn't reach 45% in central italy, we're plurality r1b/r1a in lazio, tuscany and umbria, only abruzzese (your terrone cousins) have high j2
>>17963926You are a retarded brown latinx manlet, not an Italian.J2 is highest in Central Italy. Central Italians have more J2 than they have E1b1b and R1b combined.Southern Italians are mostly E1b1b and R1b. They are not the center of J2 in Italy.
>>17963940i knew you would have posted thisthis study is using the abruzzese (picenes here) >>17963926 (this chart is from the same study https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0050794) to represent the whole of "central italy"you're a lying stupid terronepeople from lazio, umbria and tuscany are plurality to majority r1b, terrone>They are not the center of J2 in Italy.yes you are, because this shit map from this shit study is using your terrone cousins from abruzzo to represent "central italy"
>i knew you would have posted thisYou knew because it proves J2 peaks in Central Italy, retarded brown latinx manlet.J2 peaks in Central Italy.R1b peaks in Tyrol.E1b1b peaks in Calabria.
>>17963945>You knew because it proves J2 peaks in Central Italyno, because the "piceni" used in that map are from abruzzo>retarded brown latinx manlet.i'm not a terrone>J2 peaks in Central Italy.abruzzo is southern italytuscany is majority r1a/r1b, lazio is plurality r1a/r1barea V is lazio, umbria and marche, area II is tuscanywe're majority to plurality r1a/r1b
>>17963952>area II is tuscanyarea IV is tuscany, ftfm
>>17963952>no, because the "piceni" used in that map are from abruzzoThey took samples of Central Italy, retard. Abruzzo isn't particularly J2 rich and they would have to be 100% J2 to turn Central Italy 45% J2. You're a brown Indio mestizo retard which is much, much worse than any terrone.Area V is Lazio, Umbria, and Marche. They're 20-25% any subclade of R1b in that study like >>17963940 also showed of Central Italy.Terrone have the most E1b1b in Italy and E1b1b peaks in area VI like >>17963940 also showed of Southern Italy. That's what's actually unique about them.
>>17963875>Nordic Bronze Age was more advanced than brown African Iberian mutts.it wasn't lol
>>17963878why are high WHG population all high IQ doe
>>17963965>They took samples of Central Italy, retard.no, they didn't, liar, those samples in that map are the picenes here >>17963926 from abruzzo, see the percentages being identical? shitty lying terrone, what even is the point you're trying to make if you're going to just liethey're not "average" central italians, they're abruzzese, it's because theose are the only samples released in that study from "central italy"(in their definition central italy goes from emilia romagna to abruzzo), while the others are from other studies so they didn't use them in that map>You're a brown Indio mestizo retard which is much, much worse than any terrone.i'm central italian, coping lying terrone>Area V is Lazio, Umbria, and Marche. They're 20-25% any subclade of R1b in that study like >>17963940 also showed of Central Italy.can't you even do a simple sum? we're 37% r1b + 4% r1a, like the latini from lazio here >>17963926
>>17963974Not saying he's right, but WHG peaks at 20% in modern populations. There's no majority or even plurality WHG population around after they got cucked. Brown retards like you must defend your fellow browns I suppose.
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>>17963977Ok but allegedly ancient Iberians were low IQ because of high WHG but their WHG then was not higher than those of modern populations
>>17963981iberians didn't have high whg, even in the bronze age when they had higher whg than what they have today northern european had even higher whg ancestry
>>17963989So what is the other retard talking about then?
>>17963761>>17963766Based on grave DNA of Mycenaeans abroad they were overwhelmingly R1b.It is a handful of Myceneans with J.Italians are majority R1b and always have been.J are desert chimps who got raped by Caucasian HGs who were themselves a third ANE and the remainder proto-Anatolian.The original J people share more DNA with modern Finns than with modern Lebanese.You are rape babies of Europeans. And who is surprised? Europeans are the titans of history.Your civilizational hotspots are all where European Admixture peaks.Your racial core is in Yemen lmfao. Archaic Sumer is where ancient European genes raped their way into your monkey lineage.
>>17963994low IQ arguments aka trying to justify why one place was allegedly "better" than some other place thousands of years ago by bringing up single digit differences in percentages in whg ancestry
>>17964000>The titans of history >Backward superstitious illiterate barbarians who started being able to read and write in like 1000 ad lol
>>17963541>admixture Italians dont have admixture.They just descend from liberated anatolian slaves.
>>17964000>Based on grave DNA of Mycenaeans abroad they were overwhelmingly R1b.liar
>>17964011The slaves in Rome were Gauls and Germoids, east meds were high ranking immigrants and the Romans were philellenes, the samples found in Pompeii attest to this. Your poltard narrative is just you pathetically trying to project modern politics onto ancient history because you are shitting in your pants being replaced in the here and now by mexicans/turks/nafris/whatever. Ancient history has nothing to do with your poltardism brainrot
>>17964017no him but the myceneans seem to have been more r1b than they were steppe genetically, greek myceneans were 35% steppe, so this seems to indicate a steppe male bias
>>17964030i means 35% r1b but only like 15% steppe
>>17964027Actually I even doubt they were mostly immigrants, even though there were many greek immigrants who were knowledge workers and were often doctors, teachers, etc. Southern Italy was already greek, so it's likely that the bulks of it was just southern Italians/Greeks moving to Rome as it became a huge powerful city
>>17964032https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaean_Greece#Genetic_and_anthropometric_studiesR haps are at most 15%
>>17963521Nobody cares, on the other hand, how do you cope with this?
>>17963976> no, they didn't, liarYou're the liar and clearly brown.> those samples in that map are the picenes hereRead the study, retard. > they're not "average" central italians, they're abruzzese Picene samples here are from Umbria, not Abruzzo. There aren't any Abruzzo samples sampled in this study. Tuscany samples also have a high 33% of J2a and low 14% of R1b.>i'm central italianYou forgot you were Northern Italian the other day because you're 80 IQ brown mestizo. Terrones are superior to all latinx mutts btw.>can't you even do a simple sumThe R1b in this study for Central Italy >>17963952 add ups to the same as this study >>17963940 at 20-25% R1b. I won't allow R1a or U106 since these are post-Roman and medieval in origin. All of these studies have also agreed that E1b1b peaks in the south while J2a peaks in Central Italy.
>>17964045>You're the liar and clearly brown.no>Read the study, retard. you clearly didn't read the study, fucking idiot>Picene samples here are from Umbria, not Abruzzo. There aren't any Abruzzo samples sampled in this study.the picene samples are from abruzzo, not umbria>Tuscany samples also have a high 33% of J2a and low 14% of R1b.belvedere samples are from southern italy, lying terrone, tuscans have high r1b, stop lying>You forgot you were Northern Italian the other day because you're 80 IQ brown mestizo. Terrones are superior to all latinx mutts btw.i'm not northern italian, there's no "other day", schizo terrone>The R1b in this study for Central Italy >>17963952 add ups to the same as this study >>17963940 at 20-25% R1b. I won't allow R1a or U106 since these are post-Roman and medieval in origin. all r1b adds up to almost 40%, lying ignorant terrone, do1.3+6.5+1.3+1.3+7.8+11.7+7.8, it comes out as 38%, +4% r1a and you have 41.6% r1, lying terronethe reason the map uses the picene samples from abruzzo is because they're the only "central italians" actually from the study, while this chart >>17963926 also from the study uses samples from other study (the latini from lazio that are 40% r1 are from capelli et al 2007 fro example)you're just a malicious liar
>>17964070>you clearly didn't read the studyI pointed out multiple things from this you didn't read. So did you never read it or are you just retarded?>the picene samples are from abruzzo, not umbriaAre you basing this entirely off your mestizo retardation or schizophrenia?>i'm not northern italianYou're not Italian from anywhere. You're a brown 80 IQ mestizo that forgot which kind of Italian you're claiming to be.>all r1bAlready mentioned I won't allow certain medieval subclades like U106 or I1 or R1a. I1 and R1 and R1a are totally irrelevant. This is about R1b Italic subclades.>picene samples from abruzzoThey're not from Abruzzo, brown latinx retard.
>>17964089>I pointed out multiple things from this you didn't read. So did you never read it or are you just retarded?no, you clearly never read the study, you thought the central italians in the map were an amalgamation of various central italian samples but they're just the "picene" from abruzzo, you thought the belvedere samples were from tuscany but theyre from the south>Are you basing this entirely off your mestizo retardation or schizophrenia?the picene samples are CE (central east), umbria isn't central east, abruzzo here is considered central-east italy, they are from abruzzo>You're not Italian from anywhere. You're a brown 80 IQ mestizo that forgot which kind of Italian you're claiming to be.we are both italian, but you are a terrone>Already mentioned I won't allow certain medieval subclades like U106 or I1 or R1a. you're not a king, you're not allowing or forbidding anything, lazio, umbria and marche are almost 40% r1b, tuscany is 60-70% r1b and even more r1>They're not from Abruzzo, brown latinx retard.they're from abruzzo and they're the only samples used in the map, but hardly representative of central italy, as this same study shows, latini from lazio are 40% r1, other studies show similar percentages, you're a defeated liar
>>17964099>the picene samples are CE (central east), umbria isn't central east,Umbria is central east, retard. >abruzzo here is considered central-east italyAs is Umbria and Marche. These samples are from Umbria.>we are both italianYou are a retarded brown mestizo. You are not Italian. You've forgotten which kind of nationalities you're LARPing as and now forgot if you're northern or central Italian.> you're not a kingThe current king of all latinx mestizos and the spaniards is French.>lazio, umbria and marcheThey have the most J2a in Italy.>they're from abruzzoNo, they're from Umbria.
Italians and Greeks also have Steppe ancestry, their ancestors were Italic peoples.
>>17963521They dont give a fuck because of all the Swedish women who come down to get fucked by Medd men
>>17964142>Umbria is central east, retard. no>As is Umbria and Marche. These samples are from Umbria.source? the samples are from abruzzo, the picenes were never in umbria>You are a retarded brown mestizo. You are not Italian. You've forgotten which kind of nationalities you're LARPing as and now forgot if you're northern or central Italian.what are you talking about? i'm central italian, i've always been since the day i was born>The current king of all latinx mestizos and the spaniards is French.the spanish are not french, they're 2 different populations, you're a complete schizo>They have the most J2a in Italy.why are you lying? the latini from lazio >>17963926 are 40% r1 and only 23% j2area V (lazio, umbria, marche) >>17963976 is 40% r1 and 22% j2the picenes are a bunch of terrone abruzzese similar to the belvedere terronis from southwest italy
>>17963874Iberian bell beaker are only associated with bb culture because of the potteryThe bell beakers expanded onto Iberia.Fucked their women and took their pottery (women do the pottery, it's a feminine household task)
>>17964044Oriental sporus traded for sexual slavery
>>17963541Holy shit ancient greeks and paleo balkanites in general were crazy badass mofosI wonder how this map would look like adding the east med variant of R1b (Z2103). Shit's gonna look crazy.Has there ever been a more sexually succesful and contempouraneously high culture as the ancient greek one?The wonders of mixing misogyny and high culture.
>>17964027Most slaves in Rome were Anatolian Greeks lmaoOrientals were the predilect and most widespread slavesSo much that the roman latinas taught that the oriental races were races born for slavery and servitude.They were common as household slaves to teach children how to read Greek and they were also cheap farmhand, if you revise roman registers of sold slaves is almost entirely composed of slaves from Greece and Syria.
>>17964176>Oriental sporus>Leaves y-dnaLmayoooo
>>17964182half of that J in europe is not east med, but yamnaya J2
>>17964186Oriental sporus cocksleeves would do the cuttlefish thing and become trannies to infiltrate the harems of their masters.
>>17964184Current roman slave estimates are actually pretty diverse. There is a ton of gauls, germanics, levantines and even some paleo bakanites. You can go look it up on wikipedia, there is an article dedicated. What is interesting is that Romans leave east med y-dna everywhere they went. That is nuts and suggest either:1- The vast majority of roman colonists came from southern italy, probably soldier2- slaves from the east mediterranean such as greeks, thracians, anatolians had better reproductive fitness for a series of reason (spartacus was a thracian for example).It's probably a mix of both.
>>17964192Lol noOnly 1 yamnaya sample ever was found to carry j and it was likely like the ozera Ukraine woman inherited vis recent contact with neighbouring groups
>>17964192It's not, it's not present pre iron age when the yamnaya mixture already started.Besides, Corded Ware did not have J2. Paleo balkanites had it because they descend directly from catacomb culture, meaning they have heightened churka DNA and more J2 as a result.
>>17964196Slaves in southern Italy were simply farming equipmentYou can also try to paint it as if African Americans left a lot of E Ydna everywhere because literally their descent is living in those placesThey were just eventually liberated.That doesnt means they don't descend from farming equipment.So do east medsEstimates place 80% of the slave influx of Rome coming from the east
>>17964196You are farming equipment >“[Gabinius, Roman governor of Syria] handed [the revenue-farmers] over as slaves to Jews and Syrians, themselves peoples born to be slaves.”— On the Consular Provinces, Cicero (56 BC)>“That hostile army was both larger in number and composed of a somewhat better grade of soldiers; there, as you know, were Macedonians and Thracians and Illyrians, all most warlike nations, here Syrians and Asiatic Greeks, the most worthless peoples among mankind and born for slavery.”— Manlius Acilius (191 BC, Quoted by Livy)>“Come, tell me why it is that the Celts and the Germans are fierce, while the Hellenes and Romans are, generally speaking, inclined to political life and humane, though at the same time unyielding and warlike? Why the Egyptians are more cunning and more given to crafts, and the Syrians unwarlike and effeminate, but at the same time cunning, hot-tempered, vain and quick to learn? […].”>"First, the Syrians (Isaac 2004: 335–50): They were born for slavery according to the familiar formula (Cicero, de provinciis consularibus 2.5.10; Livy 35.49.8; Livy 36.17.4–5). The presumed qualities of the Syrians and other Asiatic peoples which earn them the description of having been born for slavery are: servility, effeminacy, perversity. Homosexuality, self-castration, perverted cults are all associated with this presumed lack of masculinity. They were no fighters, it was thought
>>17964207Asiatic Greek pocket pussies... Are we literal vaginas?
>>17964198>Only 1 yamnaya sample ever was found to carry j and it was likely like the ozera Ukraine woman inherited vis recent contact with neighbouring groupsguess what? not a single west asian samples of any kind carries that balkan subclade before the iron ageit was a yamnaya clade>>17964201>It's not, it's not present pre iron age when the yamnaya mixture already started.it is>Besides, Corded Ware did not have J2. Paleo balkanites had it because they descend directly from catacomb culture, meaning they have heightened churka DNA and more J2 as a result.i didn't claim it was corded, so moot point, but it was yamnaya
>>17964198they found another yamnaya from bulgaria with that clade, so 2
>Im central italian saar, nothing to do with those brown terronis
>>17964204You're just avoiding to confront the disproportionate y-dna present in spain, france and frankly northern italy as well.I am not interested in quotes like >>17964207If I were to listen to Hitler's quotes and nothing else I'd probably conclude that the superior aryan race won world war 2 when they lost so badly the might not even exist in 100 years.Stop coping and face reality.It's not even funny, even more pathetic spamming your discord tranny sketches like a faggot.The best thing about scientific method is that it puts retarded sissy boys like you where they belong: schizo asylums.Also in one of your quotes Thracians are painted in a good light, but they were vast majority east med y-dna even back in the iron age, closest population is south-central italians.
>>17964217>Disproportionate YdnaIs proportionate to the ammount of liberated slaves.
>sporus>Elgabus>Ganymede>All those quotesIs beyond reasonable to assume orientals have always been a race of flaming faggots built for slavery
>>17964227>>17964222You're still raped even if you keep spamming lmayo.Greek colonist own you latinx.
>>17964229Oriental pussy cope.How is that jewelry and trans literature going doctor orientalberg?
I'm mycenean + steppe, you lost. I have the blood of homer in me, you don't
>>17964231There are more trannies in sweden than the entire middle east combined.You'll blame jews for that tho lmao
>>1796423712% whiteoid dna nerfed you, could be better. Or maybe you descend from those 25% steppe samples from Crete but
>>17964239Oriental faggotinos need islamist jihad to keep themselves from becoming gomorrah, in fact most trans and gay shit in the west comes from jews, an oriental tribe.Very interesting how orientals always seem to be pzzsed child diddlers into bacha bazi, sporus shit, transgenderism, 6 talmudic genders, goatfucking, etc.In iran they transition gays, in greece orientals brought the myth of ganymedeOrientals are a naturally effeminate race with a tendency towards sexual perversion
>>17964245Trans right are asian greek rights incel. Kys.
>>17964245Southern italy and greece are well known gay havensFruitiness is in the bloodMaybe the natufian dna or something
>>17964245>>17964251>>17964256Here we can see a mentally ill individual melting upon discovering his grandmother got raped by an east med BVLL, a burly and hair mycenaean greek or perhaps a keen eyed honourable thracian? Or maybe it is more recent, a valiant imperial soldier of south italian origin. We'll never know, but he is slowly losing grip on reality, samefagging, exposing his faggot perversion and shitting up a thread.Next time on National geographic we'll slowly observe his descent into AGP.
>>17964273Quiet Helot, you are a sporus.
>>17964275Ooh yes ma chiere, move that ass. In the future france will be J2. Move that ass c'mon!
>>17964256North euros, germans, french and the like are the most trooned and faggot accepting people in the world. Fags get bashed in Italy and Greece
>>17964277>the j2 bull in question
>>17964285>rome gets flooded by orientals>suddenly homosexuality and transgenderism becomes widespreadHmmmmmm
>>17964256It's the first time I hear about Southern Italy being 'gay havens', last time I heard those were Stockholm, Berlin, London and even Moscow. What kind of shit are you making up?
the ariana grande schizo is out of his mind
>>17964297Southern italy and greece are thailand for faggots.Even turkey despite being a islamic shithole is FLOODING with faggots.Its just a thing of the oriental peoples>italy>Armenia>cyprus>turkeyYjk
>>17964305>pornhubI mean, if it's true then it's definitely fucked up.
>>17964305>Pornhub statisticsStop watching porn my man.Slowly turning into a tranny. Asiatic greeks discourse aside (which is retarded as southern italians are closer to mycenaeans +10% steppe anyway).Get some help
>>17964305If italy was divided southern italy would be at 300%
>>17964312Are you sure it wouldn't be the northern part instead?
>>17964317centre of faggotry in italy is bologna, so yes
>>17964167>noYes they are. Also read what they're classifying as central east and central west, retard. >the samples are from abruzzoSource? >the picenesThey didn't test the extinct Picenes, you brown latinx retard. These samples are from Umbria.>i'm central italianYou said you were Northern Italian. Now you've forgotten because you are 80 IQ brown mestizo living in some Latin America shithole.>the spanish are not FrenchI didn't say they were, 80 IQ mestizo retard. I said the French Bourbon kings rule over Spain and their shithole colonies of 80 IQ mestizos in Latin America like you. Your entire family consists of subhumans. >area V (lazio, umbria, marcheYou didn't know it was Umbria and Marche until I pointed it out. You're not Italian.Anyway J2a is highest in area V Central Italy (13%), not area VI Southern Italy (11%) which has the highest E1b1b.>the picenes are a bunch of terrone abruzzesePicenes were in Marche. They don't exist anymore, retard. Abruzzese are closer to Lazio and Umbria than to Sicilians or Calabria or Campania which are E1b1b centers.
>>17964361>Yes they are. Also read what they're classifying as central east and central west, retard. umbria is not being classified as central east>Source? yes indeed, what's the source that they're from umbria>They didn't test the extinct Picenes, you brown latinx retard. These samples are from Umbria.no one would call umbrians picenes, you complete retard, because the picenes were never in umbria, the samples are from abruzzo>You said you were Northern Italian. Now you've forgotten because you are 80 IQ brown mestizo living in some Latin America shithole.i never said such thing, you're a coping terrone, not a single one of my comment even mentions north italians>I didn't say they were, 80 IQ mestizo retard. I said the French Bourbon kings rule over Spain and their shithole colonies of 80 IQ mestizos in Latin America like you. Your entire family consists of subhumans. i'm not south american and you never mentioned the burbons, you said "and the spaniards is French">You didn't know it was Umbria and Marche until I pointed it out. You're not Italian.you are lying again >>17963952>area V is lazio, umbria and marchei literally said it myself when i posted the study, you just lie all the time>Anyway J2a is highest in area V Central Italy (13%), not area VI Southern Italy (11%) which has the highest E1b1b.it's higher in area VII, area V is 42% r1>Picenes were in Marche. They don't exist anymore, retard. yes, they are calling picenes a modern population obviously and picenes were in marche and abruzzo, not in umbria
>calls others coping terrone while looking like pic relatedyou're jewish
>>17964330Only after terroni migration
>>17963875Do Italians actually think they are white in contrast to Iberians or something? LMAO
>>17964418>created using meme25
>>17964418He was talking about advancements, not whiteness.Spaniards are generally more african than italians, italians are more an eastern people. Spaniards are still whiter overall.
>>17964005Your people still can’t read lmao.Whites invented the modern world. Your racial IQ is sub 100.
>>17964459Whites invented the modern world with heavy help from people like Italians and Jews.Charles Murray specifically uses geography, not ethnicity, to account for all the jewish figures of northern european history in the european core.To make an example, the Atomic bomb which elevated US to world hegemon was invented by an Italian and a Jew (Fermi and Oppenheimer).
>>17964418How come Neolithic Anatolian Farmers (the one who brought farming to Europe) are considered ''european'' even though they come from Anatolia, but the people who came from Anatolia in the Iron Age are considered ''non european admixture''. Doesn't make any sense
>>17964184Who draws this shit, man?
>>17964204East med slaves reproduced better because they were more literate and educated, so they were more likely to be freed. There are plenty famous intellectual freedmen and all of them are east meds
>>17964484It's not explained by slaves alone.There is east med y-dna e everywhere in europe.Even as far as the Yookay.It's a mix of freedmen and southern italian greek colonist, who had citizenship since 80 BC and were higher status than most.
>>17964537>Even as far as the Yookay.UK j2 is the yamnaya clade, it's not east med
>>17964569The yamnaya J2 is still an east med clade. It comes from paleo balkanites (who were east med people, clustering with modern italians) everywhere in europe that isn't in the balkans. Even then, there is J2 that is clearly of aegean origin.
>>17964416Venice and Florence were the gayest cities in Late Middle Age and Early Modern Europe and there are many historical accounts of travelers from the rest of Europe visiting there and being shocked at the depraved homosexuality out in the open everywhere. The French used to call being gay the Italian vice because of how common it was in Northern Italy. Gays were killed in Sicily until a few decades ago on the other hand.
>>17964537Huguenots in the UKNigga you talking as if there was zerp mobility of people between countries spme 500km away
>>17964571>The yamnaya J2 is still an east med clade. It comes from paleo balkanites (who were east med people, clustering with modern italians) everywhere in europe that isn't in the balkans. it's not east med, illyrians weren't east med by definition (they cluster with the most extreme north italians and beyond), their J2 clades are from the north, not from the eastern mediterranean, and the UK didn't get those clades from illyrians but from southern la tene celts from hungary or slovakia, due to contact with the balkan regions they had a few j2b2a1 and e-v13 that they spread to the rest of europe
>>17964418>G25lmao Bergamo alone is 9% Iran_N and 3% Natufian, G25 sucks and must be retired
>>17964613Illyrians cluster with Tuscans. They are not west med either. More like some sort of intermediate population. Besides you are discarding Thracians (E-V13) and Mycenaeans (both Aegean J2, Balkan J2). That are instead markedly east med.Thracians especially are nominated often by roman historians, spartacus was a thracian.
>>17964000You are literally fucking lying. Most Mycenaeans especially elite were J2. You fucking liar.
>>17964032.
>>17964237Holy based, anon I KNEEL
>>17964469Because nordicists need to cope so they make up embarassing headcanon. But aside from that, there's slight differences- ethnogenesis history and such. Ionians still mixed with the Carians (Anatolia natives) to create Homer, Heraclitus, Sappho and the birth of Greece basically but they'll ignore that.
>>17964668Mycenaeans were pure white Yamnaya genes and the second you crossed the Bosporus they all became "Hellenized Anatolians", besides those names you mentioned and other influential Greeks who descend from the Aryan Ionians before they became replaced by Anatolian slaves. O algo.
>>17963521If you see a dna impact on an invaded population, it means you're talking to the sons of the winners. What the hell do winners have to cope about?I get that people who make these threads just have a rape fetish, but come on, think a little. This kind of roleplaying just doesn't work loss side.
>>17964632>Illyrians cluster with Tuscansno, illyrians cluster with the northernmost italians from friuli, they're not east med>Besides you are discarding Thracians (E-V13) and Mycenaeans (both Aegean J2, Balkan J2). That are instead markedly east med.balkan j2 is simply not east med
>>17964237I kneel
>>17964705It is, stop coping you retarded nigger, and no, Illyrians were east med on average.Maybe in the late bronze age they were northern italians, but that's not the date of these migrations
>>17964709Bad distance. Are you greek
>>17964728Yes, from Epirus/Thessaly
>>17963521Who the fuck cares you faggots? Your countries have been destroyed by the jews, your children will be aborted trooned and if not slaved to chinks and pajeets and you faggots shitpost about prehistory. Kys irl
>>17964711you are just coping, they were not "east med" in any way, and even if they resembled cypriots that wouldn't change the fact that j2b2a1 is not east med, but from yamnayaDistance to: Slovenia_EIA0.01526641 French_Auvergne0.01808680 Swiss_French0.01960044 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige0.01974970 Spanish_Penedes0.01981121 French_Occitanie0.01984073 Spanish_Catalunya_Central0.02025055 French_Provence0.02038774 Italian_Aosta_Valley0.02080278 Spanish_Mallorca0.02114255 Spanish_GironaDistance to: Croatia_LIA0.03204121 Italian_Aosta_Valley0.03242811 French_Provence0.03244220 Italian_Veneto0.03281420 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige0.03312495 Spanish_Baleares0.03459531 Italian_Northeast0.03464662 Spanish_Mallorca0.03489416 Swiss_French0.03554468 Italian_Bergamo0.03620488 Spanish_GironaDistance to: Croatia_EIA0.00964405 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige0.01350254 Italian_Veneto0.01708064 French_Provence0.01709068 Spanish_Mallorca0.01751425 Italian_Northeast0.01823100 Italian_Bergamo0.01952582 Spanish_Baleares0.01984326 Italian_Aosta_Valley0.02092012 Spanish_Girona0.02125538 Spanish_Penedes
>>17964735i don't know how to tell you this without sounding like an asshole, but you are probably like 40% slavic 30% mycenean and 30% anatolian
https://x.com/IberoGermanic2/status/1962223907571630287
>>17964841why would that bother him?
>>17964852he probably wanted to be 100% pure greek
>>17964854He is, only we have these standards applied to us, by you. English are only 40% Germanic but are considered a Germanic people. East Germans and Austrians are highly Slavic but still considered German.>but Insular Celts and Germanics were similar so English are basically 100% wholesome chungus GermanicSame with Mycenaeans and BA Anatolia but your lot wants to create a fake dichotomy there that does not exist to subvert and distort history. Stop holding others to ridiculous sets of standards you never apply to yourselves, it’s very revealing.
Why does the country of italy make people seethe so much
>>17964838Illyrians are a result of CHG BVLLS taking Bell Beaker women. Bell Beakers were EHGoloid cuckolds. The ratio of CHG/EHG between Bell Beakers and Illyrians is completely different.
>>17965621Illyrians were a Thracian offshoot. Same y-dna (E-V13, J2b, etc). The ones who moved to Croatia and above took Bell Beaker women and in turn resemble North Italians who have a similar mix.
>>17965621no, j2b2a1 is from yamnaya, and it wasn't any of these people that spread j2b2a1 to the rest of europe, it was la tene celts>>17965749>Illyrians were a Thracian offshoot. no Illyrians were not a Thracian offshoot, and these aren't illyrians, illyrians didn't inhabit bulgaria or macedonia
>>17966177All J comes from Iran_N/CHG, faggot. It wasn't found in Bell Beakers or CWC.>celtsAnother group that proves Bell Beakers were cucks: >>17963710 Clearly the Romans couldn't have been related to these hijras and were half-Trojan like their myth states.
>>17965749No, the Illyrians are not a Thracian offshoot; they were, along with the Thracians and Greeks, one of the three main Indo-European-speaking groups that emerged in the ancient Balkans. While both peoples had similar geographic origins and language families, and experienced cultural interaction, linguistic and historical evidence indicates they were distinct groups, not one being a derivative of the other. Key distinctions between Illyrians and Thracians:Separate Indo-European branches:The Illyrians and Thracians represent distinct branches of the Indo-European language family. Linguistic differences:While early "Thraco-Illyrian" language hypotheses suggested a close relationship, modern linguistic analysis shows clear differences between the languages, making the hypothesis outdated. Origin:The Illyrians emerged from the mixture of Indo-European migration into the Balkans with existing Neolithic populations, while Thracians developed from a similar mixture around the same time. Geographic distribution:The Illyrian people inhabited the western Balkan Peninsula, with their names appearing primarily in the western parts of regions like Dardania, whereas Thracian names are found in the eastern parts of the same areas
>>17966198>All J comes from Iran_N/CHG, faggot. It wasn't found in Bell Beakers or CWC.listen, i know you're a mentally ill low iq tranny but my point wasnt that j2b2a1 is not chg, my point was that it was yamnaya, via chg but still yamnaya, not "east med", see how you didn't actually debunk this claim? yeah, now begone if you have nothing to add
>>17966202>inbefore chg cavemen from the georgian mountain are "east med"no, don't even answer to me if that's what you have to say
>>17966199>>17966202Illyrians and Thracians are obviously related to each other via the mysterious E-V13 haplogroup. That one obviously originated from the Thracians through a southern route. >via chg but still yamnaya, not "east med"It could've from the Ozera source, which was not like regular Yamna. Illyrians having much higher CHG than Bell Beakers indicate it so.
>>17966226illyrians carry very low rates of e-v13, they're not related to each other, hungarian celts also carry low rates of e-v13 and they're likely responsible for its spread for the rest of europe, not thracians>It could've from the Ozera source, which was not like regular Yamna. Illyrians having much higher CHG than Bell Beakers indicate it so.the sample was fully yamnaya, simply go away, you're wasting anyone's time
>>17965621south albania was not illyrian, you should use actual illyrians from croatia
>>17966232So why are Albanians 40%+ E-V13? Thracians cucked Illyrians at some point. It was their main haplogroup. >>17966238This does not show it, but Illyrians from Croatia were mixed with Bell Beakers. Bell Beakers are characterized by low CHG in relation to EHG, hence why they had to model a ton of Daunians with extra Iran_N/CHG to make up for it.
>>17966253>So why are Albanians 40%+ E-V13? fuck dude, modern albanians are fucking irrelevant maybe? what a total faggot you are "but what about this completely unrelated group of people?" yeah, what about it? nothing that's what, ancient illyrians have low rates of e-v13, they were largely r1b and j2
>>17966262His tears are delicious. Years on end of calling everyone slaves, turns out that worthless whores of his female ancestors were built for big east med cockHe's been coping for what, 30 hours now?
>>17966264east meds are irrelevant to the conversation tho, j2 in the balkans is not "east med"
>>1796626930 hours and 1 minute
>>17966269Many of these Daunians are clear East Meds and are shifted towards modern South Italians. Illyrians don't have a clear genetic composition.
>>17966253pure illyrians = late bronze age and iron age serbians, croatians, montenegrins, slovenians, north albanians and kosovarseveryone else = not illytians or not fully illyrian but mixed with illyrianshope that helps
>>17966275the fucking daunians are mixed with non illyrians maybe since they're far away from the illyrian homeland in the balkans? have you thought about that? and are low quality samples and only the 2 medieval samples (not daunians) plot with south italians? did you think about all that before bothering me with your dumb questions?
>>17966278No. That's impossible to tell because another study showed they were mixed with Bell Beakers, so the ones who cucked Bell Beakers (original Illyrians) were different.
>>17966284you will never be a woman
>>17966278seems like a clear genetic composition, something between a north italian and a south french
What about these 'Greeks' with Illyrian y-dna? Are they the original Illyrians perhaps?
>>17966299it's almost like they're obviously mixed with illyrians, But who could reach such an obvious conclusion, I wonder? we need sherlock holmes here, only he can figure it out
>>17966306The problem is that we don't really know what they were like yet. The ones up North had dual ancestry from Yamna and Bell Beakers, so at least one of the Mygdalia samples could've been unmixed.
>>17963521They don't need to do that.They are proud that they are brown.
>>17966353WOAH the illyrians were.... not illyrians, the not illyrians were illyrians, damn, If only I were capable of such insights
