Hero or terrorist?
>try to instigate slave rebellion >no one joins>get executedI feel bad for him.
Both
>I am quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.>Here, before God, in the presence of these witnesses, from this time, I consecrate my life to the destruction of slavery!Both
>>17965701The entire country joined
Anti White terrorist whose rotting in hell with the rest of Abolitionists, Sherman, and Lincoln
>>17965696both
>>17965701>abandoned by Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglas>Both of them live to die old of natural causes literally generations after whitey swingslmao
>>17965735>Anti White>I don't like being targeted for being White but I can't call it racism because then I'd have to admit racism is bad
As an American who doesn't hate himself, why would I see him as a hero? He murdered random American families for the "crime" of not seeing negroes as equal. If that warrants murder, then you'd have to commit a genocide against the whole American nation at the time. Naturally the swarthoids ITT would love that, but for any civilized human being he was one of the most deranged men of his time.
>so what if I don't see niggers as equal? hmph! I shouldn't be killed for that!>OMG the jews say we aren't their equals what a wicked religion KILL THE KIKES NOW
>>17965758>for any civilized human being he was one of the most deranged men of his time>I want you to understand that I respect the rights of the poorest and weakest of colored people, oppressed by the slave system, just as much as I do those of the most wealthy and powerful. That is the idea that has moved me, and that alone.He was one of the lust lucid humans alive at the time.
>>17965735the confederacy was literally jewish
>>17965735>if I can't own slaves, then that means you hate me for being whiteLeast mentally insane /pol/tranny
>>17965769He took part in the murder and oppression of Americans to free an alien race which was and still is totally incapable of self-government. He would've been a Bolshevik if he were born a couple decades later, and a serial killer if he had no ideology to follow. The man wasn't right in the head. If you think it's cool to massacre whole families in retaliation for one man getting caned I hope you at least have the strength to do the butchering yourself, because it looks really pathetic when leftists assume there will always be something else to murder white people for them.
>>17965780>He took part in the murder and oppression of AmericansSlave-owners did this for 4 centuries. >alien raceRace doesn't real.>He would've been a BolshevikBased
>>17965782Negroes aren't Americans and slavery definitely did not last for four hundred years.
>>17965780>invent the concept of "white people" >use this to justify wanton violence across the globe resulting in the suffering of millions of people over the course of hundreds of years>people finally rise up to stop you>'wow you must hate white people'It's all so tiresome
>>17965792There's something incredibly funny about the idea that when you put people with the palest skin on the planet in close proximity to people with the darkest skin, they would only call each other white and black if they were brainwashed by a slaver conspiracy. This is how stupid you have to be to be a leftist.
>>17965780the entire south took up arms because the rest of the country didn't jewish plantation owners breeding blacks in new territories
>>17965793>when you put people with the palest skin on the planet in close proximity to people with the darkest skinNow expand this thought experiment to include all human beings on the planet arranged from the palest skin to the darkest. Where, precisely, would be the boundary between "white people" and non-white people? Once you admit that the distinction is arbitrary, the entire notion falls to pieces. People electing to refer to pale people as "white" does not mean there exists a rigorous taxonomical category called "white people". Anyway, John Brown is based.
>>17965696Based just like Dark Luigi.
>>17965795Fantasies of Jewish planters aside, there's something amusing about the idea that making slavery legal in barren Arizona is "breeding blacks," but letting them run free all over the country like the North did isn't.>>17965800>Now expand this thought experimentNo I won't because this has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about. You know I'm right that there were two physically distinct groups, a light one and a dark one, in America at the time, so you're changing the subject.>Once you admit that the distinction is arbitrary, the entire notion falls to pieces.No it doesn't. The white and black races are concepts much easier to strictly define than the Atlantic ocean.>Anyway, John Brown is based.If murdering poor farmers is your definition of based, sure, but in that case no patriotic American can ever be "based." Your ideology is clearly designed to kill me and all my kin, so why are you trying to make an argument that it's morally correct?
>>17965813>like the Northafrican migration into northern cities was a southern effort led by southern politicians
>>17965817The poor defenseless North couldn't do anything about all the niggers they freed invading them, oh no :(( If only they could've done something to stop it from happening.
>>17965813>there were two physically distinct groupsThe existence of physical distinctions does not prove the existence of physically distinct "groups". No one claims that all left-handed people comprise a distinct race. Likewise, nobody claims this of all short people, people with blue eyes, people whose ear cartilage is attached to their head, etc., despite the fact that these are all physical, heritable traits. >Your ideology is clearly designed to kill me and all my kinThanks to heroes like John Brown, slavery is now abolished, so I luckily don't have to kill anybody. Take your persecution delusion to ChatGPT and let it run its course.
>>17965735Based
>>17965823>If only they could've done something to stop it from happening.well they were the ones to finally ban the import of more africansand they tried multiple times prevent the expansion of blacks across newly incorporated territories and states, but the south constantly pushed back against thatthen there was the plan to deport them all back to africa but the south prevented that from happening too
>>17965829oh no lincoln was mean to the heckin journos :(
>>17965825>The existence of physical distinctions does not prove the existence of physically distinct "groups"So you're telling me you've never called someone black or Asian before? Please say yes so I can laugh.>Thanks to heroes like John Brown, slavery is now abolished, so I luckily don't have to kill anybody. Take your persecution delusion to ChatGPT and let it run its course.>I want other people to kill you for me, but you're deluded if you think anyone wants to persecute you.Lol.
>>17965837>then there was the plan to deport them all back to africaThere was no such plan at any point ever beyond dumping a small number of them off on Hispaniola. There was, however, a dramatically successful plan to free them, enfranchise them, and have them rule over white men like they owned the country.
Reminder. Abe Lincoln killed more Americans than Hitler.
>>17965844>So you're telling me you've never called someone black or Asian before?Of course I have. I've also called someone an introvert, an eccentric, a type-a-personality, etc. These are social constructs which sometimes make it easier to communicate, but they aren't scientifically rigorous taxonomy. You understand this argument, but you aren't prepared to refute it, so you just play dumb.>I want other people to kill you for meLiterally nobody said this or thinks this. Yes, you are delusional.
>>17965850>There was, however, a dramatically successful plan to free them, enfranchise them, and have them rule over white men like they owned the country.this is a weird thing to complain about since the only reason they exist in the united states is because of southern economic policy that refused to stop buying and breeding blacks to the point of sacrificing white men to uphold the economic interests of the southern jewish eliteif the northern states had been successful in its earlier efforts to completely dismantle the slave trade during the inception of the US, then none of this would have come to pass. instead even after the civil war southern states continued to do things like beg newly freed blacks to stay and work on their plantations. you'd think that southerners would at least be capable of organizing their own deportation efforts instead of just playing dress up in bed sheets.
>>17965829Interestingly calling someone an "equalizer" was a dirty word at the time and it was a word leveled at Lincoln alot. So he would go out and do speeches saying things like "no emancipation without repatriation" or something to that effect. And in his speeches he literally said he would only emancipation if it was directly- in writing- tied to repatriation. This was his way of tamping down this "equalizer" criticism.Anyways, flash forward to 1862- Lincoln's party has defunded and abandoned repatriation. They openly mock it in their publications. And what does Lincoln do? The exact thing he promised not to- he emancipates without tying to repatriation as he promised... thereby joining the long lone of politicians who promise one thing to avoid criticism and do the exact opposite when the chips were down.Abolitionists were like FREE THE SLAVES.The South asked "what are your plans for 4 million freed slaves?"Abolitionists tossed shit at them
>>17965863>The South asked "what are your plans for 4 million freed slaves?">The Bureau of Refugees, Freedmen, and Abandoned Lands, usually referred to as simply the Freedmen's Bureau,[1] was a U.S. government agency of early post American Civil War Reconstruction, assisting freedmen (i.e., former enslaved people) in the South. It was established on March 3, 1865, and operated briefly as a federal agency after the War, from 1865 to November 1872, to direct provisions, clothing, and fuel for the immediate and temporary shelter and supply of destitute and suffering refugees and freedmen and their wives and children.[2]>Congress dismantled the Bureau in 1872 due to pressure from white Southerners.
>>17965856Then if it's a useful means of communication, why did you suddenly bring this up out of nowhere? I never tried to convince you it was strictly true scientifically. The answer is because you want to deny a racial identity to whites, but not to blacks. >Literally nobody said this or thinks thisLol.>Thanks to heroes like John Brown, slavery is now abolished, so I luckily don't have to kill anybody.Why the constant evasion? You can't stay on topic for even one moment because you lie like you breathe. Just say you want to kill as many people as possible for the sake of negro equality, own it.
>>17965859>this is a weird thing to complain aboutI know you don't want me complaining about the Yankee jihad to free blacks, but do you really think that's going to stop me?>the only reason they exist in the united states is because of southern economic policyDead wrong. It was already predetermined that they were going to exist in this country before America was even a thing, thanks to the English, especially parliament which prevented Virginia from banning the practice. The only question in the 19th century was whether they would be enslaved, or freed. You chose freedom.
>>17965869>you want to deny a racial identity to whitesActually I want to deny racial identity to everyone, since race isn't real. But people intoxicated by the false notion of a "white race" did murder and enslave countless people for centuries, and I happen to be speaking to someone who justifies these crimes, so that's what we're talking about right now.>Why the constant evasion?Why evade a baseless accusation based on nothing but your persecution complex? I dunno man.
>>17965701At least they took him seriously enough to execute him. Mishima's death was much more humiliating.
>>17965872prominent people from thomas jefferson to henry clay called for the deportation of blacks. the freeing of slaves is a default condition to ending slavery as a practice in the country. blacks were not freed for the sake of being black, they were freed as a result of northern conquest of slave states and eradication of slavery in those states. if the south had chosen to use other races in other forms of labor, as northern states did during their industrialization and growth, then the negro question would not exist. instead southern states maintained the economic system the british built for them based on black slave labor and made no efforts to shift it away from slave labor nor use of blacks.>>17965875>since race isn't real.don't be stupid
>>17965844Based slaveowneranon
>>17965889I know the term "mental gymnastics" is overused on this site, but holy fucking shit.>Bro it was just an accident that we freed the blacks man. Just ignore the extreme negrophilic abolitionist movement based in New England pls.
>>17965851>Lincoln was a tyrant>But also...Lincoln didn't just proclaim the constitution changed on the President's whim, and instead went through the process of passing a legal amendment to the Constitution in order to fully outlaw slavery
>>17965898the only mental gymnastics being done here are by you in your attempts to keep dodging the fact that blacks are only present in the US and in large numbers because southern states fought every attempt to curb their expansion and deport them
>>17965894Honestly I share some of the same criticism of the planters myself, but their opponents are such unhinged anti-white lunatics that defending them is often synonymous with defending my country. They definitely weren't perfect, but they did try to take a stand against an anti-civilization cult centered around the worship of the negro.
>>17965908>anti-civilization cult centered around the worship of the negroaka the Confederate States of America
>>17965905I already refuted this point, you're talking in circles. The South was invaded to free the negro, not deport him. There were no serious attempts to repatriate that race at any point in this country's history.
>>17965914the south was invaded because it was foremost runaway clay, the freeing of blacks was a consequence of the abolition of slaveryif the south was serious about not wanting to live amongst free blacks then it would have placed political and economic effort into repatriating blacks themselves, like lincoln and organizations such as the ACS had tried to do.instead the south placed it's political and economic efforts into keeping over 90% of blacks in southern states as reliant field workers, impeding the progress of black movements focused on economic self reliance, and then decades later having the southern democratic machine spread blacks across northern and midwestern cities coincidentally also ran by the democratic party as yet another form of cheap labor against established white workers.southern states have been obsessed with blacks since day one. their entire existence centers around utilizing black labor, their history is all about buying blacks from jews and then breeding them on jewish farms. their recreation is dressing up to harass blacks. negros only exist in the US because southerners cannot help themselves when a jew dangles a black in front of them, it's like a cartel dealer dangling coke in front of a whore. and northerners are constantly cleaning up the mess that southerns create with blacks.
>>17965696Both and it's based
>>17965696Hero who is smiling down at us from Heaven >>17965735John Brown is in heaven along with the angels and saints. Every segregationist and slaver is burning in the pit
>>17965758>he murdered random American familiesHe killed invading slavers who were flooding into Kansas in order to bring other men into bondage.
>>17965908>They definitely weren't perfect, but they did try to take a stand against an anti-civilization cult centered around the worship of the negroThis how I know you're some shitskin third worlder trying to shill retarded agitprop. No American talks like this. Least of all actual southerners.
>>17965968Wasn't there a woman who wrote to him when he was in prison telling him they never owned slaves nor had any realistic prospects of ever owning slaves, but he killed her husband and sons anyway?
Anons... john brown was a slave owner
>>17965696>dies so his great great great great granddaughters can fuck darkies
>17965999Retarded bot can't even read the images it posts. chatgpt tier
>>17966004>Brown did in fact own slaves Literally everything you need to know
>>17966003*dies so a rich nepobabby that wouldn't give them the time of day can keep his slaves*
>>17965770>JEWS, JEWS, JEWSRent freeAnyways. My opinions on John Brown are mixed.
I hate the Confederate traitors but also hate "Shermanposters" aka modern leftists who try to co-opt the cause of the Union for their modern faggot, anti-white politics
>>17965696based retard.
>>17966081>muh leftists>anti-whiteHow can you complain about racism while accusing others of being leftists?
He was probably mentally ill
>>17965965Slavery is allowed by the Bible. Murder is not.
>>17966081
>>17966081>Shermanposters" aka modern leftistsThese people don't exist.
>>17967477>Murder is notTautology. The bible doesn't consider stoning people to death for grabbing sticks "murder"
>>17967527So lynchings weren't bad
>>17967527The Bible doesn't say "murder" at all you cryptosatanic retard. It says kill. All killing is prohibited.
>>17967533Awh dang. What about being a mercenary
>>17967533>All killing is prohibitedHave you ever actually read the bible? I'm genuinely wondering
>>17967542Oh great killing is back on the menu
>>17967551Numbers 15>32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.>35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he diedObviously the bible doesn't have our modern morality and values, it was written by a bunch of bronze age goatfucking jews who spent about as much time killing each other as they did genociding their neighbors.
>>17965800A nation of Whites who are constantly at war with each other to determine who is White or Irish would still produce a better civilization than actual non-Whites. It's why they're still desperate to get in to Europe
>>17967570Well obviously if God tells you to kill somebody you do it. This is a John Brown thread
>>17967508My position is more consistent and righteous overall than either of the groups I'm complaining about. >>17967510They absolutely do and they are gay as fuck. William Sherman was a great American and I'm tired of these cock sucking tranny worshippers using his image for their retarded cause.
>>17967578Sure, the person I was replying to claimed that john brown was somehow going against the bible
>>17966081>If you don't want your race enslaved you are hecking anti white and we wouldn't want that rightThis is why nobody likes you or cares about your pigcel races warped, deranged opinions in 2025
>>17967603Most modern John Brown fans would recoil at his deeply held faith.
>>17967644Get sickle cell
>>17965912Projection
>>17965782>Based
>>17967644I don't care what you like lefty freak. Go fuck yourself with a rusty saw and die of aids
>>17967745>right wing is when you defend slaveryLeast out of touch /pol/tranny
>>17965786>Negroes aren't AmericansNeither are whites
Terrorist. The Harpers Ferry raid was a fucking bloodbath.
>>17967829Wrong. We are new worlders
>>17967849Then so are blacks considering they started coming here at the same time as the mayflower
>>17965904he was playing 5d chess, super tyranny if you willconvince the people to tyrannize themselves
>>17967874Blacks can stay as honorary pets
>>17967703this desuhe believed he had been appointed by god to free the american slaves and the basis of his anti-slavery activism was in the universalist messages in the new testamentpeople today would call him y'allqeda and a bible thumping nutjob
>>17967920Just like the Quakers enabling Marxists in the civil rights movement
>>17965696Hero
>>17965701treason=the rope
He was a cuck. Murdered over a dozen of his countrymen and then got hanged after a failed rebellion all in the name of a race that would never show him that same level of sympathy.
>>17967920If slavery still existed today, leftists and universalist extremists would form a coalition around abolition.
>>17967477Slavery of fellow Christian’s is demonic and evil which is why God punished the South with defeat and occupation
>>17965696What's the difference?
>>17965696Not all heroes are terrorists but all terrorists are heroes (in their own minds).
>>17965696he was a delusional idealist who foolishly believed that the only thing stopping blacks from achieving what whites achieve was the institution of slavery.He arrogantly dismissed over six thousand years of history which clearly shows that non whites are cancer which can only destroy civilizations, good for nothing but being slaves.
>>17965723You are correct. John Brown got what he wanted. Its called propaganda of the deed. Act of terror, murder and sacrifice spurs the population to violence.
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