>>17966263
both czechia and slovakia agreed to dissolve the union and become independent, so it wasn't secession at all

>>17966263
It was to protect their peculiar slavic institution

>>17966263
And more importantly: Does anyone care?

>>17966263
it was legal and agreed by both sides by elected politicians. but I still think there should have been a referendum.

>>17966266
>>17966295
Isn't Czech objectively richer than Slovakia? Why would S want to leave? It's not like C was carrying out some cultural genocide against them or something, because if that was going to happen to them it would have happened in the USSR era

>>17966263
>you can only govern yourself if your master graciously gives you the right to do so
It will never not be hilarious how swarthoid thirdies can't comprehend unions/alliances can be based on mutual respect rather than forced enslavement

>>17966311
Are you American? Because if whatever state you're in seceded, your own Federal Government will just invade you and force you back in.

>>17966311
Commie Czechoslovakia was dominated by Slovaks

>>17966319
Mutts are honorary thirdies

>>17966300
"Czechization" policies were a major source of dissent for the Slovaks during the first and the early second republic and they resented the Czechs so much they teamed up with Germany against them.
The two separate republics were only created during the Prague spring. And once you split a nation along ethnic lines like that you concede that as a union it cannot work so at that point it was already over, the velvet divorce was just a formality basically.
It wasnt a popular decision however, it was driven by the "elites" who wanted their own country to run as a Mafia state without being bothered by the sissies in Prague.
imo it was already over when Stefanik died before Czechoslovakia was even created thus making it a fundamentally C*ech state.

>>17966335
>they resented the Czechs so much they teamed up with Germany
didn't germans blackmailed them into alliance by saying that otherwise they will partition them between Poland and Hungary

>>17966263
>Soviet Ukrainian held territory
Pretty much

>>17966321
By Czechophile Slovaks.

>>17966335
It should also be noted that Slovaks entered into Czechoslovakia hoping for autonomy and equal status—not to replace Budapest with Prague.

>>17966770
shouldve just stayed with hungary

>>17966263
Both Poland and Czechoslovakia are a proof that it's impossible to exist as a sovereign country when you have two retarded, barbarian powers from each side. There were even plans for a Polish-Czechoslovak confederation (basically Zapadoslavia) but Stalin said "no".

>>17966321
Yes, weirdly enough both the liberal Dubcek and the ultraconservative Husak

>>17966335
That's so stupid. Imagine being fundamentally identical to your Western neighbor and not trying to claw some independence by unifying with them because reasons. Imo, all West Slavs should have unified before ww2

>>17966841

American hands wrote this. You have no idea how much Europeans loath and hate their neighbors.

>>17966888
I'm a Pole. I myself hate Ukraine and Russia. Poland, Czechia and Slovakia have basically 0 reason to hate one another, its stupid that they haven't sought alliances with each other at all

>>17966841
Czech nationalists have always resented the Catholic church while Catholic priests played a very central role in the Slovak national movement, that alone is a very fundamental difference and makes you wonder how they were even able to merge.

>>17966942
I assume its due to a vague pan slav ideology that sweep through eastern Europe during that time

>>17966942
>Czech nationalists have always resented the Catholic church
Which is fucking weird because you are a (traditionally and culturally at least) a catholic nation. Why aren't you all protestant then? I know it's because of the re-catholization done by Austria, but seriously... Austria brought you back to your old roots. Associating catholicism with germanization is retarded. I doubt it's even Austria's fault that you're all acting this way, but rather communism.

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>>17966841
vgh imagine poles numbers with czech weapons

>>17966966
There was a very clear link between re-catholization and germanization as that is what made the upper class of Bohemia largely German whereas before it had been Czech. But it goes further than that, like the entire history of Bohemia from the 1400s to the Bohemian Revolt is one of defiant Hussite resistance against Catholic Germans so it was only natural that this became a centerpiece of the Czech national mythos.
Add to that the typical anti-clericalism of liberals in Catholic countries, and Bohemia was more liberal than most.

>>17966263

Czechia didn't want Slovakia. Slovakia didn't want Czechia.

>>17966841
Poles are East Slavs though

>>17967247
kys

>>17966263
Not according to France and America
Oh, we're talking about the 90s? Yeah them seceding was perfectly acceptable

>>17966942
>Czech nationalists have always resented the Catholic church while Catholic priests played a very central role in the Slovak national movement
You have it backwards.
Czechia was Catholic and had Catholic inteligentsia (Jozef Dobrovsky - Jesuit Catholic, Jungmann - Piarist Catholic, Masaryk - Catholic who later converts... only Palacy is a born and bred Evangelical, who tellingly studied in wouldbeSlovakia) while Slovakia was Catholic but its inteligentsia (the one that won out, at least) was almost fully protestant.
Slovak National Movement:
- P.J.Safarik - Protestant clergyman
- Ludovit Stur - Lutheran politician
- Jozef Hurban - Evangelical priest
- Jan Kollar - Evangelical priest
- Michal Hodza - Evangelical priest
- Juraj Palkovic - Evangelical lyceum teacher
- Martin Hattala - Catholic teacher
- M.R.Stefanik - Evangelical general

Slovakia was historically the more protestant of the two simply because it was a relative backwater so the Counterreformation hit it later and much less severely. Add to that Ottoman support of protestants and you get a place with a lot of powerful holdouts within the strictly Catholic Austrian Empire.
Of course, in total numbers the Catholics still dominated in both populations. The numbers only started dropping during atheist Communism.
The post-Commie states took it very differently.
Czech Republic saw the drop in believers and went "Actually, we were always atheists, this wasn't a Russian win!"
Slovakia instead built on the old independence movements (which were overwhelmingly rural and Catholic) and so doubled down on undoing Communist influence by becoming Bible-humpers.
Something similar happened in Poland, IIRC?

>>17966802
>Stalin saved Czechia from Polish savagery
Based

>>17967296
Tbf, Beneš himself supported the idea of confederation when he was in exile, but he was too subservient to Stalin and wanted Czechoslovakia to have good relations with the Soviets. Stalin feared that the united Czecho-Slovako-Polakia could cause problems for him. So, when Stalin said "no" then the mindless fool Beneš also said "no", and thus the PL-CZSK union never happened.

>>17966780
They unironcially would have if Hungary stayed true to 1848. If Hungary respected the Slovak language and let them do their own thing as long as they paid taxes, then Slovakia would still be part of Hungary. Czechoslovakia would still exist if the Czechs did that too. In 1918, the Czechs seemed more promising since the Hungarian proven uncompromising long ago.