I listened to about thirty minutes of their conversation. Here is what I heard:>Flint: "There is no evidence for this. Here is the evidence against it.">Graham: "In the 1930s, an archeologist was unfairly maligned for his ideas, which were later proven correct. Archeologists sent a letter to Netflix saying to reclassify my show as science-fiction, so the same thing is happening to me.">Flint: "But there's no evidence for this. Here is the evidence against it.">Graham: "Sometimes, scientists are wrong, so maybe they're wrong now!">Flint: "But there's no evidence for this. Here is the evidence against it.">Graham: "Imagine if in 200 years we have new technologies that prove me correct!">Flint: "But there's no evidence for this. Here is the evidence against it.">Joe Rogan: "Is it possible that Graham Hancock is actually correct?">Flint: "The chances of that are negligible. Here is the evidence why.">Graham: "But we have only excavated 1% of the Sahara!">Flint: "That's because we have other technologies to map out what's underneath the desert, and because it's very expensive. You don't excavate sand in the same way as dirt."Flint Dibble comes across as completely reasonable and slightly too patient with Graham Hancock, and Graham Hancock comes across as a complete lunatic who is very erudite and intelligent-sounding. The only way you could possibly think Hancock is in the right is if you're just a contrarian.
>>17967059Pretty much, it just kept going round and round in circles>Dibble: we haven't found what you say say is there>Hancock: but you didn't excavate 100% of it!>Dibble: you can't excavate 100%, you look where you're likely to find stuff>Hancock: but the stuff is there!>Dibble: we haven't found what you say say is there...Ad nauseam
There were at least 2 debates happening. On every single detail Flint won, but on the online culture wars for Joe's heart front, Graham stayed true and won. The only loser was every single person who watched that episode.
>>17967059>Flint Dibble comes across as completely reasonable and slightly too patient with Graham Hancock, and Graham Hancock comes across as a complete lunatic who is very erudite and intelligent-sounding. The only way you could possibly think Hancock is in the right is if you're just a contrarian.What? You expected the guy behind a documentary only the most retarded piss-smelling /pol/tards take seriously to be worthy of some kind of intellectual elite?
>Technology will eventually prove me right
>>17967059The jist of it is thisDibble - kike globohomo shillHancock - based Aryan truther The case is settled
>>17967059Dribble:>I like seedsCock:Atlantis was the root of civilization Dribble:>I have no Atlantis seedsCock:>its under the Atlantic so of course you have no seedsDribble:>you are literally Hitler and I wonCock:>are you retarded?Dribble:>I like seedsThat is the whole "debate"
The tragedy is that it was not so long ago, that scientists were more open to this sort of out-there thinking. Take Gavin Schmidt, prominent climate change scientist, director of GISS at NASA, co-founder of RealClimate blog.In 2018 he published a paper titled "The Silurian hypothesis: would it be possible to detect an industrial civilization in the geological record?"Look at this summary from Wikipedia:>They argued that there has been sufficient fossil carbon to fuel an industrial civilization since the Carboniferous Period (~350 million years ago); however, finding direct evidence, such as technological artifacts, is unlikely due to the rarity of fossilization and Earth's exposed surface. Instead, researchers might find indirect evidence, such as climate changes, anomalies in sediment, or traces of nuclear waste. The hypothesis also speculates that artifacts from past civilizations could be found on the Moon and Mars, where erosion and tectonic activity are less likely to erase evidence.Unlikely to find direct evidence, use indirect evidence, look at Mars. Sounds like Hancock!Of course Schmidt just released a paper, whereas Hancock isn't a scientist and made money selling books. So Schmidt did it in good faith, and Hancock is s Nazi grifter.
>>17968463And yes I realise Schmidt's paper is talking about timescales orders of magnitude larger than Hancock.
I watched this guy once or twice and he found some hills in the forest which are interesting but not some hyper advanced civilization. I think the last time I watched him he claimed all the cites are basically the pinnacle of astronomical projectors. But he hasn't found anything else, right? Wasn't he also the "assyrians had drug bags from outer space" guy?
>>17968518He's the "The Face of Mars was built by a collapsing Martian civilisation to warn Earth about climate change" guy. Funny how that book came out right at the junction of alien conspiracies starting to fade while environmentalism was becoming vogue and he's been REALLY quiet now that clearer photos show its a hill and not a face...
Regular reminder that a central point of Platos description of Atlantis is that they went to war with Athens in around 10,000 BC and lost. And yet no Athenian writer or historian prior to Plato mentioned this amazing feat...
>>17968463Insidious moron cut out the most important part: "While we strongly doubt that any previous industrial civilization existed before our own, asking the question in a formal way that articulates explicitly what evidence for such a civilization might look like raises its own useful questions related both to astrobiology and to Anthropocene studies."It's a literal thought experiment to help people imagine what might be the traces to look for in the far future when we're excavating in other planets for evidence of ancient xenocivilizational or xenobiological activity. How might we determine a sapient or sentient life form in the geologic record alone? This paper gives the answer. Graham Hancock says his crackpot retard theories are true and works backwards insisting that the evidence just hasn't been found yet
>>17967059>>17967075Hancock is a dudeweed memetic hypothesizor and Dibble is an institutional status-quo thumper with zero interest in myth.Together they make for the perfect american propagandaslopduo to erase and make fun of old myths.
