I like the Viking Age but I don't give a shit about what the Vikings were doing outside of their homeland (Iceland/Greenland excluded). All I care about is the Scandinavian history there, especially with how the first kingdoms emerged.
>>17969216Check-out this channel https://youtube.com/@bjornandreasbull-hansen?si=ZxNTn7Ht9eo9QU83
>>17969216Were finnns vikings?
>>17969216if only there were a frigging EPIC form of legendary history telling all their cool adventures and tales, like the ancient greeks. Something between a ballad, a heroic verse, a chronicle, some kind of . . . . . . . . sacred text
>>17969216Read Siggurdson
>>1796926690% of them deal with Iceland and Norway since the two are connected
>>17969253Vikings wasn't an ethnicity, it was a job title, and they sometimes recruited non-Scandinavians. For instance in England, even a number of Anglo-Saxons themselves joined up in the warbands, so I see no reason why there couldn't have been Finnish vikings in these groups.(Of course Finns took part in their own raiding groups as well, but these wouldn't have referred to themselves as vikings)
Watch Thirteen Warrior - it is all you need to know
>>17969589When I read replies like this it is very evident that /his/ is the board with the lowest IQ.
>>17969571>We wuz vikings anglos are something else
>>17969656>pointing out that some Anglo-Saxons joined up with the Great Heathen Army in order to showcase that some Finns may have joined different viking warbands as well is tantamount to claiming all Vikings were anglos or somethingrent free
They were similar to pre-Christian Germanic tribes that had spread throughout Europe. Due to a fluke of history their longships allowed them to make long voyages and achieve "defeat in detail" which led to their military success and adventurism, but otherwise they were unexceptional. Some northern areas had to adapt to mountainous terrain, limited accessibility, lack of arable land and cold dark winters, but most of the population lived in southern Norway, southern Sweden and Denmark with only a slightly different climate from the Anglo-Saxons and Germans.Tolkien captured elements of the sagas in his writing and is perhaps the most vivid portrayal of this life in the popular imagination, though not 100% historically accurate of course. The character Beorn is an obvious allusion to Beowulf and the Berserkers, he lives in a great hall with a thriving farm producing ample milk and meat with its own aviary and giant bees, hinting at the brewing of mead. The viking idea of the afterlife was such a wealthy farm serving a great hall where they would meet friends parted in life.Vikings were quite trad unlike depictions in the media where they look like edgy punk rockers. Marriage was an important institution as was nobility and the rule of law, though interpreted by the hierarchy of thanes, jarls and kings not a literate bureaucracy until the 12th century, controversial legal cases and decisions would be observed and given oversight by gatherings of lesser nobles. Laws did seem to favor women slightly more than Christian society, women could divorce a man who failed to satisfy her sexually for example, but there were harsh punishments for adultery like cutting off an ear or a nose, since marriage had legal implications a woman who cheated threatened alliances and security. Marriage was a commitment you had to stick to.
>>17969216go to a library instead of youtube?
>>17969589The book was much better.
>>17969676>the viking conquered my ancestors that makes me a viking
>>17969879>the viking conquered Danish (or Scandinavian) conquest. Going off my previous point; calling it the Viking conquest would be akin to calling the Norman conquest of England the "knights conquest". There being English knights obviously doesn't mean Willy the C was one too, anymore than there being English who went a viking doesn't mean the majority weren't foreign Danes.Are you just too retarded to understand, or are you too mindbroken by anglo seethe that you're incapible of looking past a rather tangential part of my point and thinking I'm arguing something I'm not?
>>17969589movie sucks and its not remotely historical>>17969809book sucks even more. OP should read the real 13th warrior which is the land of darkness by ibn fadlan. he doesnt get into ridiculous battles with cave people but its much more interesting from a historical perspective
>>17969589You know the viking prayer? The badass scene where all the hardcore warriors pray and say they can see their dad and his dad and his dad and all his ancestors waiting for him in fucken BASED Valhalla?Yeah that's what a slave woman is forced to recite before she's ritually raped to death as part of some other guys funeral.
>>17969989no it isnt, the viking prayer is just completely fictitious and written for the movie/book. I dont know why you retards keep talking about things youve never actually read about
>>17969918You're a stumpy angloid. Stop coping
>>17969571I ask because sometimes I see that Finland is not considered part of Scandinavia or the Vikings. I have never read about a famous viking from Finland for eample.
>>17970339>sometimes I see that Finland is not considered part of Scandinaviathere isn't a sometimes about it, they're not Scandinavian, they are however Nordic and these two terms are often conflated in English. >I have never read about a famous viking from Finland We know of many Finnish raids into Scandinavia, but they wouldn't have used the word Viking to describe themselves. the finns didn't write their history down so we only know of these groups from Scandinavian sources, and don't really know who their leaders were. the Kylfings may have been Finnish (maybe) and we seem to have records of them traveling as far as Hungary, and Constantinople, but not much more than that. And as I said Finns very likely joined up in other Viking expeditions alongside various other cultures (Finnish mercenaries are recorded in the courts of Scandinavian kings)
>>17970339Weyland the Smith is a famous (or infamous) recurring finnish character in broader germanic mythology. He wasn't a viking, really, but he was pretty metal nonetheless.>>17969974Ibn Fadlan's account is amusing but ultimately not very insightful. He didn't live with vikings. He lived with the Rus who were settled along the Volga river in modern russia.Russia would have theoretically been very culturally germanic at this point, and it's certainly possible that SOME of the elites Fadlan encountered were of Swedish descent, but far and large, his writings don't give us great insight into the pagan germanics on account of wehat I just described, as well as the fact that he was a faggot muslim who had to spin everything in a negative light because the abrahamic mind virus compels practitioners to destroy or defame any contrary viewpoints it encounters.
>>17969571No, it was an ethnicity, not a job description.It was a term given to Seaborn Raiders who dwelled originally in the Fjords and Bays of Western Scandinavia.Their racial core was 100% Scandinavian.
>>17969757>Marriage was a commitment you had to stick to.Don't forget, the seeress in Voluspa remarks that adulterers will be sent to Nastrond when they die where their corpses will be mutilated and defaced by the Fenrisulfr and Nithhoggr>38. A hall I saw, | far from the sun,>On Nastrond it stands, | and the doors face north,>Venom drops | through the smoke-vent down,>For around the walls | do serpents wind.>39. I saw there wading | through rivers wild>Treacherous men | and murderers too,>And workers of ill | with the wives of men;>There Nithhogg sucked | the blood of the slain,>And the wolf tore men; | would you know yet more?
>>17970438>It was a term given to Seaborn Raiders and 100% of all people who lived in said region were seaborn raiders? If you're only describing a subset of people who do a specific job then it is a job description you utter retard. >dwelled originally in the Fjords and Bays of Western Scandinavia.there were Swedish Vikings, don't tell me you've never heard of Ragnar Lodbrok?>Their racial core was 100% Scandinavian.ok, and this stops other people joining up how?
>>17970485>other people joining up howYour people "joined up" as slaves
>>17969216You do know all nordic history is a lie it was re written by a icelandic monk in the high medieval period
>>17970404Shouldn't it be the other way around? They're in Scandinavia, which is just a geographic region, but they aren't Nordic culturally or linguistically.
>>17970545snorri sturluson was, of course, a famous catholic monk. Wikipedia and academic writings on the subject won't tell you this, though, because they're all in bed with Big Odin aka the Viking Industrial Complex
>>17970563>snorri sturluson was, of course, a famous catholic monkAll Icelandic chieftains also held priesthoods :)
>>17970563Exactly, I think the idea and most peoples depiction in their heads of viking and the strong warrior culture of Scandinavians and nordic people in general. Is practically a fan fiction wash from the monks, i mean some of the stories of the sagas oddly enough resemble the christian ones, man i fucking hate Christianity so much
>>17970558They're basically the same word and originally meant the same thing, Scandinavia is just of Latin origin and Nordic (Norden) Germanic. Why Scandi means what Scandi means now and what Nordic Nordic now idk, my guess is it was an arbitrary difference that's just become calcified over time
>>17970438>>17970530You have a low IQ. None of the non-Scandinavians serving in the Viking parties were slaves. They were freemen taking part in the raids.
>>17970579https://www.onblackwings.com/post/was-snorri-ever-ordained
>>17970602>freemenLmao. Keep telling yourself that.
>>17970593Ah, wasn't aware of that. Thanks for clarifying things.
>>17970612Cool source. Icelandic chieftains accrued land by combining smaller chieftancies and monopolizing the priesthood and thus churchland. The conflicts in the sturlung age were due to this development.
>>17970592>i mean some of the stories of the sagas oddly enough resemble the christian oneslike which ones
>>17970631Some people think Ragnarok is a chrictcuck allegory
>>17970634I hope you're not one of those people. That would be very embarrassing
>>17970629>snorri was a monk>no he wasn't>uh well actually he was a priest>no he wasn't>well uh uh he engaged in church politics (the only kind of politics in medieval europe)the goal posts are reaching the outer stratosphere.
>99% of icelanders are called Thorolf, Thord, Thordis, etc with a few freyja derived theophoric namesChristianbros we weren't the first on the monotheist train. How do we cope?
>>17970641Retard. To gain churchland for your family you needed to enter the priesthood. Go read up on icelandic history.
>>17970649crazy that there's literally no source for snorri being an ordained member of the catholic priesthood despite it obviously being the case (because you say so)Big Odin strikes again.
>>17970660Your blog isnt a source
>>17970663no, you don't have a source. You def;ected from saying that snorri was a monk by claiming he was instead a priest. He was not. There is no source in existence that proves he was a priest.
>>17970671>no, you don't have a sourceWe know clans accumulated chieftancies and priesthoods. You can keep coping though
>>17970685still waiting on a single (one(1)(uno)) source that proves he was a priest
>>17970631The christian washing I was referring to its the odin sacrifice of 9 days evoking to Jesus, The yggdrasil resembling eden, hel meaning hell, ask and enbla. I think, my personal opinion of course, nordic paganism was akin to shintoism were there were huge differences in worship from one clan to other so we would never know for certain what really they were vikingwise, worshipwise.. my apologies i am writing on a phone
>>17970716>odin sacrifice of 9 days evoking to Jesushow does that evoke jesus? jesus hung for 3 days, not 9. also we know that Odin was associated with sacrifices of hanging and stabbing from other sources outside the eddas and from before the onset of christianity in europe, such as tacitus' germania where he mentions that the germans would hang and stab victims as offerings to 'either mercury or mars', which is almost certainly odin given his attributes as both war god and psychopomp wizard. the specifics of odins sacrifice on yggdrasil are too unique from christianity for it to have just been a paganized passion story. >yggdrasil resembling edenin what way shape or form does it resemble eden at all? its an entirely separate concept; the idea of 9 worlds was anathema to traditional christian thought which posited that there is only one world, just as there is only one God. do you mean how its a tree? cosmic trees can be found in other pagan religions but not in abrahamic ones>hel meaning hellyou know that the reason bibles use the word 'hell' to refer to what was originally called 'sheol' or 'gehenna' is specifically because of the germanization of christianity right? the word hel comes directly from old norse. its not a christian word, it was supplanted into christianity later on. even in earlier christianity they usually used greek terms, like hades or abbadon. perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean here
>>17970438They didnt call themselves as a people vikings. Viking is a raider. Danes Swedes Norse Frisians, and whoever else that hung with them that wanted in.
>>17970716>ask and emblai will admit you have something there since there is a conflicting problem with tacitus' account, which states that iscio or escio was one of three sons of mannus, and these three sons spawned the three main tribal groupings of the germans. its highly likely this 'iscio' is actually ask, but why he is only the progenitor of one third of the german race when he is the progenitor of them all in the norse account is a mystery. in fact the entire concept of mannus and his three sons, a major feature of continental germanic culture, seems entirely absent in the north, which is admittedly puzzling. the only reference is to the ynglings, the dynasty of the swedish kings, which is cognate to the ingvaeones mentioned by tacitus. but why then is ask their primordial ancestor? its possible that we are looking at multiple creation myths from different germanic tribes being squeezed into a single cohesive story, which might belie some christian influences. we see this problem in greek mythology, where even metamorpheses gives a couple different accounts as to the creation of mankind, likely an attempt by ovid to weave together the regional stories of different parts of the hellenic and latin world. overall though, i disagree with the notion that the eddaic lays are heavily christian-influenced; the only influence i have detected in my studies is subtle and minimalsuch differences between clans are impossible to truly know with the limited data available to us. for example, we know the woden was associated with herbal magic and healing spells in anglo-saxon mythology from the 9 herbs charm, which seems to be a lacking feature of odin in the norse myths. but is this because woden was different from odin in this respect, or it is because we are missing critical information about both? is the 9 herbs charm a uniquely anglosaxon poem, or did it have correlations in the north, similar to how the nibelungenlied finds its nordic cousin in the niflung saga?
>>17969757>there were harsh punishments for adultery like cutting off an ear or a noseWhere can I read more about this
>>17970716Odin’s sacrifice is extremely pagan. Jesus was always a god, and his sacrifice was a performative act meant to absolve man’s sins. Odin wasn’t fully a god before his sacrifice. He came into this world as Odin, not the most supreme being. He became supreme through his sacrifice and the conquering of death, fate, and the cycle of reincarnation.Runatal (the story of Orin’s sacrifice on Yggdrasil) closely mirrors the story of Helgi Hundingsbana, who accomplished great feats in each successive reincarnation before he died a final time and was taken to Valhol and made a god by Odin. The core narrative in each case is one of ascent through struggle. Jesus never ascended to anything, because he was already as high as he could be, and his struggle was all illusory.
>>17970545Ari Þorgilsson and others were writing mere decades after conversion and had little motive to lie about history, except perhaps about Ari's personal lineage.
>>17969216Isn't most of religious texts only written by Snorri?Did he work for the church?Are any of his accounts real?
>>17971791Snorri write the prose edda not the poetic
>>17971791Snorri wrote the Prose Edda which is in part based on the Codex Regius, which is of unknown authorship.Also, the extent of Snorri’s Christianization of pagan stories is severely overstated. It exists, but not to the extent that people online who have never read the Prose Edda would have you believe
>>17970431I read a bit on wider weyland mythology.There appears to be a lot of similarities with Väinämöinen/Ilmarinen the smith story.A lot of norse stories can be found from finnic mythos and some of the strings of poems read almost like direct translation to different mythology.Sadly Finnic runic poems are mostly untranslated and unknown even to Finns.
>>17971755>Ari was a part of the Haukdælir family clan and studied in the school in Haukadalur as a student of Teitur Ísleifsson (the son of Ísleifur Gissurarson, first bishop of Iceland). There he became acquainted with Classical education. His writings clearly indicate that he was familiar with Latin chronicler traditions, but at the same time he is widely regarded as excelling in the Icelandic oral storytelling tradition.>It is believed that Ari later became a Christian priest in Staður by Ölduhryggur, now known as Staðastaður, but otherwise little is known about his life, despite the fact that he is one of the very few medieval writers who wrote down his family history.Related to the FIRST Christian bishop and become a priest himself. No ulterior motives here
>>17970965Number nine is very nordic thing.It is not restricted to scandinavia.Väinämöinen swum for nine years.Nine sickness were born from tursas and woman. Kullervo was hung for nine days and was found carving on the tree trunk.Walk around the church nine times for some spells.Take nine types of wood and warm up the sauna to cure the sick.Make sauna whisk from nine types of leaves to cure sickness.Piss in the eye of nine drunkards to get to hospital for nine days.
>>17969757>Due to a fluke of history their longships allowed them to make long voyagesNot a fluke. Scandinavians have always been good boatbuilders due to geography. Specifically, the coastline of Norway has dangerous areas along it like Stad which forces you out into rough open sea. Combine that with a reliance on trade/raiding due to useless land and you eventually get the development of fast, seaworthy ships. By the time of Charlemagne the sea kings' ability to project power was already considerable.
>>17969216Then read some sagas.Some of my favorites are Volsunga and Frithiolf.Which just so happen to be two polar opposite pics. Volsunga is one of the oldest and most primordially pagan by most reckonings. While frithiolf is one of the latest and has some noticable Christian influenced. Both are beatyful and engaging reads.There is a stern grimness to Volsunga, and a heroic redemptiveness to Frithiolf.
>>17969757maltreating your wife was inviting her male relatives to come and murder you
>>17971791Snorri's dynasty of Iceland which he was married into was of Rugii origin, which was part of the Wielbark culture that got absorbed by the Huns in the battles against Rome.The few that survived this period of battle against Rome either moved back to the baltic to become the Kievan Rus, stayed in Jomsborg, or moved back to Norway where Snorri ended up recording this particular Norwegian branch of myth.
>>17972874Interesting
>>17969594look up the correlation between IQ and sense of humor, anon
>>17973737cope and deflect all you want.
