Why did they keep larping as romans despite having nothing to do with them? Even the HRE was more roman than the eastern """roman""" empire.
Lost the Western half of their empire Latin was not their main language The emperor was more powerful than the church patriarchCapital wasn't based in RomeProduced no great works of literature Modern day territory is now filled with TurksWhy did medieval Germans call themselves Roman?
>>17972258>Why did medieval Germans call themselves Roman?They were the legitimate successors of rome
>>17972254>says the frankish barbarian """"emperor"""" from his mudhut
>>17972264At least the frankish barbarian knows how to speak latin unlike the greeokoid
>>17972271>he thinks any frakish war chiftain could speak anything but gruntsIlliterate barbaroi lmao
>>17972254Are you fucking retarded.
Greeks (not Roman) and Germans (not Roman) fighting on who's Roman. The real Romans are Latin people.
>>17972263>They were the legitimate successors of romeThey didn't even use Roman Law which was the backbone of Roman Civilization. It wasn't until they rediscovered Justinian's Law Code in the 12th century that they started reviving Roman Law, which they inherited from the Eastern Roman Empire.
>>17972317146BC - 476AD; Romans larping as Greeks476AD - 1453AD; Greeks larping as Romans
>>17972339It's just historical cycles >1750-1945 Americans larping as Europeans>1945-2145Europeans larping as Americans>inb4 "no Europe isn't copying America"European culture (music, fashion, food, ideology, customs, family structure, governments, language (directness), social structures, city planning, etc etc etc) is so Americanized as to be indistinguishable from America.
They were romans.I kinda get the confusion though, you would think at some point they would drop it, especially as they lost territory.And especially since they didn't attempt another requonquest after justinian.
>>17972254>"muh Greeks LARPing as Romans"The Romans of antiquity themselves were effectively LARPing as Greeks.Their architecture was basically Greek architecture, the only major difference being the building materials used as the Greeks used limestone and marble while the Romans used concrete. But other than that, they pretty much used the same designs and styles.Their religion was basically the Greek religion, the only major difference being the names of the gods. While Romans early on (during the kingdom and early republican eras) did have their own distinctly native gods, they syncretized with Greek ones over the centuries and by the time of the empire, they had effectively become the Greek ones under different names (for example, the Roman god Liber was syncretized with Dionysus to become Bacchus who is effectively just Dionysus under a different name). Roman mythological epics like Ovid’s Metamorphoses or Virgil’s Aeneid were basically retellings of Greek mythology. The Romans themselves claimed descent from the Trojans who in the Iliad are described as speaking a dialect of Greek and are generally indistinguishable from the Greeks (yes, I'm well aware that the actual historical Trojans were culturally and linguistically close to the Hittites, but there's a difference between the mythical Trojans and historical Trojans and it is the mythical ones that the Romans claimed descent from).Greek had been an official language since the republican era with the Romans literally referring to Greek and Latin as “our two languages”. Most of the early church fathers like Origen, Cyril, Ignatius, etc came from the eastern half of the empire and wrote their works entirely in Greek. Many Roman emperors spoke Greek (Marcus Aurelius wrote his diary in Greek, many of Caesar’s famous quotes were originally said in Greek like Alea iacta est which was originally said as Ἀνερρίφθω κύβος).
>>17972254Real answer:Societies back then were VERY traditionalist. Since technically their institutions were set up by Rome, they just called themselves Romans.That's it.That's all it was.
>>17972254"Roman" stopped meaning ethnic Roman long before the Western Empire collapsed. It was a cultural term for the kind of centralized bureaucratic society they lived under. Eventually it just became an empty term for signaling prestige, in the same way people today (mis)use the terms "first world"/"third world."
>>17972254Roman language, roman law, roman religion, roman capital, roman citizens, roman senate, Senior half of the empire. Because they were roman. the HRE literally had no connection to the roman state on the other hand.
>>17972503They were roman citizens you tard, and they capital had been the capital of the roman empire. There was no break in the state.
>>17972271They did know how to speak Latin, at least during the Late Antique era. Greek was spoken mroe than Latin was by the actual ethnic Romans anyway.>>17972254I mean it is the perseverance of a literal province of the Roman Empire, as well as it’s government, and its capital city. I don’t see how it isn’t the Roman Empire.>what about the HRE?Well, their leaders would have just as legitimate a claim TO the title of Emperor I guess. But their state was only a province of the Roman Emprie which did NOT contain or retain its capital city and its government. So while Carolingian Kings certainly may be justified in using the title Roman EMPEROR, they definitely didn’t have any justification for being the Roman EMPIRE. It’s fairly simple actually.
>>17972485I hate the “Europe is DIFFERENT!” Cope that people have. Europe has been so thoroughly americanized over the last 10 years alone that entire segments of the youth no longer speak their bative tomgue with eachother but use english. With a perfect american accent.It’s hilarious because this is FAR FASTER AND MORE POWERFUL of an assimilation that what Rome had with its Romanization. In 300 years Europe will absolutely be a majority-english soeaking, muslim continent, with pockets of remnant languages in the less developed south and east.
>>17972697>Greek was spoken mroe than Latin was by the actual ethnic Romans anyway.No it wasn't, it was a literary language for the aristocracy but it never supplanted latin. Today I would assume that most of the Swedish government official could speak English with ease, but it's not their main language
>>17972723And the peasant class didn't speak the same Latin that was written in aristocratic histories. Latin authors would complain about stuff like peasants dropping the "h" where Hadrian becomes Adrian, or Hadriatic becomes Adriatic.
>>17972703just look at every northern european who speaks englishirish people don't speak gaelic anymore in spite of their anti-british tendencies
>>17972258>Why did medieval Germans call themselves Roman?They didn't. They just called themselves Germans. Roman was basically only a title for the King and Emperor to use.>>17972697>Greek was spoken mroe than Latin was by the actual ethnic Romans anyway.It was absolutely not. Even the writings we do have are overwhelmingly in Latin. The Romans did not use Greek in normal life or in official capacity. It was limited to specific literary pursuits for the Romans like philosophy (which still were done in Latin like with Cicero and Lucretius) >>17973055Grammarians generally just made comments on the changing of Latin. Noting that many of these changes are actually from the Middle Republic.
>>17972536"Ethnic Romans" never existed.
Because their emperors were technically Roman heirs. Many Roman emperors even titled themselves Emperor of the Romans.
>>17974980No they werent.
